What Doctor J TRULY has done for the game of basketball has been shamefully lost in translation by the media and fans down through the decades. He was the game's first marketing superstar and his style of play influenced most of the greatest wing players and small forwards who came after him. He is one of the TRUE icons of the game of basketball
It's lost in translation because paradoxically the first marketing superstar entered the league just before it hit its rock bottom. The other marketing superstar of the era, David Thompson, became a victim himself.
True to be told the doc is the Goat I wouldn’t be watching the NBA if it wasn’t for him people don’t realize when he joined the Sixers he had to cut back on his scoring because they had a All STAR line up but did his thing people use to the game early just to watch warm up before the game and the NBA STOLE GIMMICK from the the ABA 3 points shot halftime show’s the Dunk and Dunk contest but the Doc is the 🐐 second to Bill RUSSELL 11 rings RIP
They did- Dr J when he still played for Virginia( in the ABA jumped leagues. Hawks owned the rights. He played about 2 exhibition games with Maravich. The ABA won the contract dispute
Maravich is never mentioned in the greatest conversation, but before injuries he very well could have been..He averaged 44ppg at L S U with no 3 point line
The problem was that the NBA saw Maravich as just a flashy player where the truck passing was seen as showing off. It wasn't until Magic Johnson came around that trick passing became acceptable. Why?.....I don't know. Maravich didn't suck at all though and even in the NBA he could still score. Not LSU numbers, but better than average for sure.
@@dbsti3006 you clearly...CLEARLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!! Lol Better than average? What do you think average is/was? Pete's first 10 years in the league......9 of those years, he averaged 21+ ppg. 4 of those season 26 points per game...and one season where he averaged 31 points per game. He played in an Era where, NBA games were JUST beginning to be televised. There was no big media market for the NBA, yet but trust and believe- players like him and Dr J, brought the INITIAL flare and flash to the league. Los Angeles was and always has been, one of the bigger markets in all of sports. Not to mention, it's where Hollywood is. So, once the late 70's, early 80's hit, the NBA had a much bigger media presence, which explains Magic Johnson. To Magic's defense- he IS the greatest point guard ever. Ever. Ever.
He shot a lot from distance too I forget who did it, but on the box scores of his junior season it showed “15 foot basket” “3 foot basket” and they went thru ‘em all and anything greater than whatever it is 22 for a college 3, they added a point. He would have averaged 57 points a game. He was way before his time.
@@HoratioFitzbastard Yeah that’s what it was just unreal I guess he shot so many because it was an inside game and he had so much space out there but his college career is one of the most underrated sports achievements, averaging 44.2 over 3 seasons and still having the all-time scoring total of 3667 and he wasn’t even allowed to play as a freshman so anyone now has a whole year extra and no one has come close.
Doc J had a chance to go to the Hawks on 73, he would have gone to a team that won 46 games with Walt Bellamy, Maravich, Lou Hudson what would a young Julius do on that team!
If you read what both players said about the games they played together, and even moreso their practice sessions, you'll see that Dr J being barred from playing on that Hawks team will forever be one of the NBA's great "What ifs? "
Such a shame that they never were on the same roster together (while even so close to it on the Hawks). Dr J was 3 years younger than Maravich but they started as pros just one year apart (one in the ABA, the other in the NBA), and when Pete was hitting his peak, Erving was at his best in the ABA. Imagine them on the same team in 1977 (when they were killing it together in the All-Star Game)! Then of course Erving took some time to adjust to a new league, new team, new teammates… while the Pistol was hit with career ending injury and didn’t play into the 80’s. Doctor still lasted until 1987, won MVP and a ring. Julius and Pete pretty much were the basketball epitome of style and flair in the 1970’s. And more than that, they were WAY ahead of their time! Their impact and influence is extremely underrated/overlooked, and how they REALLY helped to usher in a new era…
@@BasketballJones48021 Despite his knee injury, I think Pete could still play meaningful minutes in the NBA in the 1980s. One of the biggest reasons he did not stay with the Celtics was that he and coach Bill Fitch did not get along. When you watch him in the Legends Games, it almost looks unfair how quick and fit he still was compared to the other players.
@@1avardac No doubt! They even say that he showed up to training camp in much better shape (than he was in the previous year), for the 1980-1981 season… but yeah, problems with coach Fitch made Pete retire…
Listen, dawg...Pistol Pete was cold AF!! He was a generational, transitional guard. He could have thrived within ANY ERA of the NBA and its clear to see who John Stockton molded his game around. Sucks the NBA wouldn't let him and Dr. Funkmaster J play together. We would have seen the first Stockton/Malone combo.
@@HoratioFitzbastard it actually WAS the NBA. Irving didn't want to play for the Virgina Squires, anymore (an ABA team)...so, he signed with the hawks in 1972. The problem is, the Milwaukee Bucks DRAFTED Julius Irving in the 1972 NBA draft, the same year. Because the bucks owned the rights to his contract, they and the Hawks went in to a legal battle, in which neither side could come to an agreement. A district Court Judge ruled that THE ONLY TEAM IRVING COULD PLAY FOR AT THE TIME, was the Virginia Squires...in which he went BACK to the ABA.
Unfortunately it wasn't until Magic and Bird came into the league where trick passing became acceptable. When Maravich joined the NBA, his teammates and commentators criticized his passing as "flashy and unproductive." He was above average for sure and played for teams like the New Orleans Jazz where he had no help. Then got traded to another team with no help. Therefore, no Championships to cement his name. Fun fact: He played on the Celtics with Larry Bird where Bird picked his brain on passing skills.
The Pistol above average??!!!!! Damn kids will say the silliest shit in public. The Pistol is still NCAA scoring avg for a career...The Pistol was And 1....when And1 was just a 3pt play. Better look up The Pistol and come back and put some Spect on his name!
@@TheIcemanthomas I would say he was criticized less cause the Celtics were dominating. And Red was a showman, he would run you out the gym if you allowed it.
@@TheIcemanthomas it had more to with winning championship, and playing with Bill Russell. The same things was being said about Cousy. So it was accepted.
Where on earth did you dig up that Dick Cavett clip? I've never seen it before. Dick had some nerve to get out there and was rewarded because those 2 had a good sense of humor and played along. There's no shame in being short!
That's crazy I was justing thinking was this guy the NBA's first Mugsy Bogues? But then I watched how he played defense and said no. Lol. I legit think he looks 5'3 even with the two legends height in mind. Not familiar with him, about to look him up.
All I can say is "Wow".....these were the "Icons" of my Youth. The "Doctor" AND The "Pistol?" Are you kiddin' me? Drop The "Pearl" in here and you got the Beginings of Mount Rushmore.😁 R.I.P. Mr. Bill Russell and Mr. Chamberlain.
Wow looking at all star clips at the end their games compliment each other nicely, there is chemistry between them. Also the game looks way more fluid than I was expecting for old school. The style is so different. It kind of looks graceful.
The Atlanta Hawks almost had a team in 1972/73 with Dr. J, Pistol Pete, Lou Hudson and Walt Bellamy. That year Pete averaged 26 points. Dr. J averaged 32 points. Lou Hudson averaged 27 points. Walt Bellamy averaged 16 points. If you combined all of their averages together you have 101 points.
“For you to get the ball… you gotta give it up too”- Red SAY IT A LITTLE BIT LOUDER I DON’T THINK THESE HYBRID BALL HOGS THAT DONT KNOW HOW TO PLAY IN REAL SYSTEM HEARD YOU
@@mongoslade277 Erving wasn't the only one Spencer Haywood went to the ABA as well because of his mother I believe she had health issues.If Darryl Dawkins was old enough he too would have jumped ship himself his grandmother was in the hospital and that is why he entered the NBA out of high school and was taken by the Sixers in the first round.He had other fassets of his game that went under developed he had a decent jump shot that he never worked on.
@@mongoslade277 Did you see the documentary about the ABA called LONGSHOTS it covered everything.The only thing that kept the ABA off of tv screens was a TV CONTRACT.
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Legends never dies...just fade away 😋
Basketball Jones was one of my favorite songs as a kid. Dr. Pistol would have shot the lights out against any team back then.
What Doctor J TRULY has done for the game of basketball has been shamefully lost in translation by the media and fans down through the decades. He was the game's first marketing superstar and his style of play influenced most of the greatest wing players and small forwards who came after him. He is one of the TRUE icons of the game of basketball
Yup!
Sir, that is so true. Eloquently stated.
@@briandavidson1946 thank you my friend
It's lost in translation because paradoxically the first marketing superstar entered the league just before it hit its rock bottom. The other marketing superstar of the era, David Thompson, became a victim himself.
True to be told the doc is the Goat I wouldn’t be watching the NBA if it wasn’t for him people don’t realize when he joined the Sixers he had to cut back on his scoring because they had a All STAR line up but did his thing people use to the game early just to watch warm up before the game and the NBA STOLE GIMMICK from the the ABA 3 points shot halftime show’s the Dunk and Dunk contest but the Doc is the 🐐 second to Bill RUSSELL 11 rings RIP
Just the thought of those two playing together in their prime… Man, that would’ve been one heck of a fun team to watch. 94 feet of ballet!
They did- Dr J when he still played for Virginia( in the ABA jumped leagues. Hawks owned the rights. He played about 2 exhibition games with Maravich. The ABA won the contract dispute
1972 bucks drafted dr j 12th but he already signed night before with maravichs hawks
The real showtime
Pistol Pete and Dr. J were like crazy great players I mean it was like old school was just great man I loved old-school basketball I really did
Pistol and Dr J are so underrated that it's criminal. Unparalleled pioneers
You don’t see greatness like this anymore
You don't own a TV?
Yeah,Curry, Luka,Giannis,Morant,
No skill or athleticism at all
I'd never seen Doc perform a 360 before. So much lost footage of prime Julius.
And the way he did it was so fluid compared to how they do them today.
Drj was the first basketball player I ever heard of
Afro Julius looks so badass!
I loved hearing Dr. J's stories about him and Pistol playing 1v1 whenever they're both in town.
Maravich is never mentioned in the greatest conversation, but before injuries he very well could have been..He averaged 44ppg at L S U with no 3 point line
The problem was that the NBA saw Maravich as just a flashy player where the truck passing was seen as showing off. It wasn't until Magic Johnson came around that trick passing became acceptable. Why?.....I don't know. Maravich didn't suck at all though and even in the NBA he could still score. Not LSU numbers, but better than average for sure.
@@dbsti3006 you clearly...CLEARLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!! Lol
Better than average? What do you think average is/was?
Pete's first 10 years in the league......9 of those years, he averaged 21+ ppg. 4 of those season 26 points per game...and one season where he averaged 31 points per game.
He played in an Era where, NBA games were JUST beginning to be televised. There was no big media market for the NBA, yet but trust and believe- players like him and Dr J, brought the INITIAL flare and flash to the league. Los Angeles was and always has been, one of the bigger markets in all of sports. Not to mention, it's where Hollywood is. So, once the late 70's, early 80's hit, the NBA had a much bigger media presence, which explains Magic Johnson. To Magic's defense- he IS the greatest point guard ever. Ever. Ever.
He shot a lot from distance too I forget who did it, but on the box scores of his junior season it showed “15 foot basket” “3 foot basket” and they went thru ‘em all and anything greater than whatever it is 22 for a college 3, they added a point. He would have averaged 57 points a game. He was way before his time.
@@jdaily2293 That means he was HITTING 14 three pointers a game. Fourteen!!! Incredible.
@@HoratioFitzbastard Yeah that’s what it was just unreal I guess he shot so many because it was an inside game and he had so much space out there but his college career is one of the most underrated sports achievements, averaging 44.2 over 3 seasons and still having the all-time scoring total of 3667 and he wasn’t even allowed to play as a freshman so anyone now has a whole year extra and no one has come close.
Doc J had a chance to go to the Hawks on 73, he would have gone to a team that won 46 games with Walt Bellamy, Maravich, Lou Hudson what would a young Julius do on that team!
If you read what both players said about the games they played together, and even moreso their practice sessions, you'll see that Dr J being barred from playing on that Hawks team will forever be one of the NBA's great "What ifs? "
Thanks for another great video! Pete and Julius played together as if they were one mind in two bodies.
Such a shame that they never were on the same roster together (while even so close to it on the Hawks). Dr J was 3 years younger than Maravich but they started as pros just one year apart (one in the ABA, the other in the NBA), and when Pete was hitting his peak, Erving was at his best in the ABA. Imagine them on the same team in 1977 (when they were killing it together in the All-Star Game)! Then of course Erving took some time to adjust to a new league, new team, new teammates… while the Pistol was hit with career ending injury and didn’t play into the 80’s. Doctor still lasted until 1987, won MVP and a ring.
Julius and Pete pretty much were the basketball epitome of style and flair in the 1970’s. And more than that, they were WAY ahead of their time! Their impact and influence is extremely underrated/overlooked, and how they REALLY helped to usher in a new era…
@@BasketballJones48021 Despite his knee injury, I think Pete could still play meaningful minutes in the NBA in the 1980s. One of the biggest reasons he did not stay with the Celtics was that he and coach Bill Fitch did not get along. When you watch him in the Legends Games, it almost looks unfair how quick and fit he still was compared to the other players.
@@1avardac No doubt! They even say that he showed up to training camp in much better shape (than he was in the previous year), for the 1980-1981 season… but yeah, problems with coach Fitch made Pete retire…
Bill Fitch is the reason the Pistol was holstered. I think he got a ring on the 81 Cs. BF didnt play him much him and Bird wow. BF was tripping.
@@eddiejones8540 Fitch and van Breda Kolff, for petty personal reasons, ruined 2 teams that should have won it all.
I liked when Red Arback would show these drills in basketball. They sure can use these drills today TEAMWORK
most artistically entertaining partnership ever for sure.
Two of the all time greats
Dr. J and Pistol Pete exhibiting perfect coordination and synergy. What would they have been like if they were on the same NBA team for 5 years?
With Kareem at center!
@@dawoool Negative too much then.
Bare minimum 2 championships
Listen, dawg...Pistol Pete was cold AF!! He was a generational, transitional guard. He could have thrived within ANY ERA of the NBA and its clear to see who John Stockton molded his game around.
Sucks the NBA wouldn't let him and Dr. Funkmaster J play together. We would have seen the first Stockton/Malone combo.
Wasn't the NBA, the ABA went to court over his contract and won.
@@HoratioFitzbastard it actually WAS the NBA.
Irving didn't want to play for the Virgina Squires, anymore (an ABA team)...so, he signed with the hawks in 1972. The problem is, the Milwaukee Bucks DRAFTED Julius Irving in the 1972 NBA draft, the same year.
Because the bucks owned the rights to his contract, they and the Hawks went in to a legal battle, in which neither side could come to an agreement. A district Court Judge ruled that THE ONLY TEAM IRVING COULD PLAY FOR AT THE TIME, was the Virginia Squires...in which he went BACK to the ABA.
@@davidleonard7439 I stand corrected.
Unfortunately it wasn't until Magic and Bird came into the league where trick passing became acceptable. When Maravich joined the NBA, his teammates and commentators criticized his passing as "flashy and unproductive." He was above average for sure and played for teams like the New Orleans Jazz where he had no help. Then got traded to another team with no help. Therefore, no Championships to cement his name.
Fun fact: He played on the Celtics with Larry Bird where Bird picked his brain on passing skills.
Technically speaking, cousy was a very flashy passer a decade earlier and was accepted.
@@TheIcemanthomas Well, then why was Maravich criticized for it?
The Pistol above average??!!!!! Damn kids will say the silliest shit in public. The Pistol is still NCAA scoring avg for a career...The Pistol was And 1....when And1 was just a 3pt play. Better look up The Pistol and come back and put some Spect on his name!
@@TheIcemanthomas I would say he was criticized less cause the Celtics were dominating. And Red was a showman, he would run you out the gym if you allowed it.
@@TheIcemanthomas it had more to with winning championship, and playing with Bill Russell. The same things was being said about Cousy. So it was accepted.
Where on earth did you dig up that Dick Cavett clip? I've never seen it before. Dick had some nerve to get out there and was rewarded because those 2 had a good sense of humor and played along. There's no shame in being short!
Was fun to watch
Both Genius
GREAT VIDEO SIR!
Dr. J has some slick handles
If I remember correctly Atlanta actually signed Julius to an illegal contract in the 70s prior to him signing with the Seventy sixers
Yup!
It wasn't illegal, the Hawks owned his NBA rights. The ABA went to court and held him to the contract he had with the Squires.
Two of my favorite players as a kid. Cavett is what, four feet tall?
Dick Cavett is 5'2" at best, maybe 5'3"
😂😂
Cavett already stands at a short 5'6" but standing next to Pistol at 6'5" & the Dr. at 6'7" he looks lilliputian. Lol
That's crazy I was justing thinking was this guy the NBA's first Mugsy Bogues? But then I watched how he played defense and said no. Lol. I legit think he looks 5'3 even with the two legends height in mind. Not familiar with him, about to look him up.
@@rashb3994 Just an fyi, Cavett was a talk show host. He did these types of things for his show.
All I can say is "Wow".....these were the "Icons" of my Youth.
The "Doctor" AND The "Pistol?"
Are you kiddin' me?
Drop The "Pearl" in here and you got the Beginings of Mount Rushmore.😁
R.I.P. Mr. Bill Russell and Mr. Chamberlain.
Atl retired dr j 54 jersey but no one talks on it
@@HoodPsychoP3dia He only played a couple exhibition games but "The Dr." and "The Pistol" on the same Squad would have been "Epic".
THANK YOU.
Dr.J dunks the ball so effortlessly…Is Hops were ridiculous
Dr J loved pistol Pete....big time mutual respect
Thank you!!!!!!!
Wow he can dunk with ease
Wow looking at all star clips at the end their games compliment each other nicely, there is chemistry between them. Also the game looks way more fluid than I was expecting for old school. The style is so different. It kind of looks graceful.
2 brothers, one of the coolest stories in basketball history
Great video...
Keep in mind youngsters! You were not allowed to travel and carry the ball at this time like they do now!
These cats had incredible chemistry together. They were born to play together.
Wow i never knew that they played together.
Pistal Pete Maravich Was Awesome 😎🙌🏾 Atlantic hawks
Thanks for the memories.
Dr J and Pistal Pete Maravich My Heroes when I was growing up ⭐😎👍
Wow great players! I didnt know they were that good!
DR.J.G.O.A.T.
This Is Just Awesome...One Love Fam...
The Dr. should have been called, "Shaft"--you're damn right!
Epic in every proportion...people this is deep"! This is actually shared to the world for free?!
Thanks for the upload and the Music to the Video was just right.
Just nasty talent
Pistol was born in the wrong decade. He’d love the modern game.
Awesome!!!
Pete looks like a young David Lee Roth with a haircut in that picture lol
Might as well jump!
The Atlanta Hawks almost had a team in 1972/73 with Dr. J, Pistol Pete, Lou Hudson and Walt Bellamy. That year Pete averaged 26 points. Dr. J averaged 32 points. Lou Hudson averaged 27 points. Walt Bellamy averaged 16 points. If you combined all of their averages together you have 101 points.
It's also a shame that they played more defense in all-star games than they do today in regular games.
Pete one the real Steph Curry
Legendary Coach Red Auerbach....
Very very cool
I'm always here for HAWKS history
1972 draft thank me later
To think they were team mates with the hawks and the NBA would not allow it the hawks have never recovered
I saw them play together in training camp in Savannah. Best 50 cents I ever spent.
RIP Red Auerbach and Pistol Pete
“For you to get the ball… you gotta give it up too”- Red SAY IT A LITTLE BIT LOUDER I DON’T THINK THESE HYBRID BALL HOGS THAT DONT KNOW HOW TO PLAY IN REAL SYSTEM HEARD YOU
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Ohhh this pretty, watch the old school dribbling and handling
Dr J ✊🏾💪🏾
Milwaukee owned the draft rights to Erving
Dr J went to the ABA in 1971 party bc they took underclassmen. Imagine the 1972-73 Bucks with Kareem, The Big O, Julius and Bobby Dandridge
@@mongoslade277 NBA TITLES FOR OSCAR NOT JUST 1
@@mongoslade277 Erving wasn't the only one Spencer Haywood went to the ABA as well because of his mother I believe she had health issues.If Darryl Dawkins was old enough he too would have jumped ship himself his grandmother was in the hospital and that is why he entered the NBA out of high school and was taken by the Sixers in the first round.He had other fassets of his game that went under developed he had a decent jump shot that he never worked on.
@@dwightlove3704 Good point!!
@@mongoslade277 Did you see the documentary about the ABA called LONGSHOTS it covered everything.The only thing that kept the ABA off of tv screens was a TV CONTRACT.
😊
Josh Giddey got some Pete Maravich
How good would todays guys be if they had to handle the rock with their hand on top of the ball like these cats
Sweeeeeet
Much better than LeBum James
Jesus Christ is coming back soon. Turn from all your sins, get baptized in the name of Jesus, and follow Jesus the one true God who came in flesh to die for our sins to be washed away. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and the only way to Heaven. Get a real, deep, and honest relationship with Jesus. Love everybody, forgive others, obey all of God's commandments the best U can, and preach the gospel to the world. That is your true purpose. U don't have to be perfect to follow Jesus, U don't have to go to church, it's not about all that religious stuff, its all about your relationship with Jesus. He jus wants U to try your best to do everything he wants U to do. The word of God says we are saved by our faith but it also says our faith is dead without works so we show Jesus we Love him with our actions. Don't let the Devil decieve U, Jesus is our Lord and Savior, Jesus Loves U, and Jesus has a purpose for U. Don't let the Devil distract U with things of this world, don't let him destroy your purpose, dont let the Devil have your soul. Give your soul to Jesus. Ask Jesus to forgive U, change U, set U free, and lead U. This life is jus temporary but Heaven and Hell is forever. Those who reject Jesus, rebel against Jesus, and refuse to Chang for Jesus will burn in Hell. Those who truly Love Jesus, truly follow Jesus, and truly work for Jesus will enter into Heaven. Don't follow the world follow Jesus.
🔫 Pete
Pistol and Dr.J would have been Stockton and Malone
They would have scored at least as much, but in a more entertaining way.
Dr. J was before MJ…while destroying MJ’s idol Thompson
J like these "white dudes" 😆