Moka Pot vs Espresso Machine: A Side-By-Side Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- How does a cheap $20 moka pot compare to a $3000 espresso machine? Stovetop espresso made from a moka pot is not same as the coffee made with a high pressure espresso machine, but… can it be good enough? To find out I’m going to employ some moka pot brewing best practices to compare a moka pot espresso to the real thing and put the brews to a side-by-side test.
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I prepared coffee in a mokapot for myself (personal procedure) and expresso for a friend who knows expresso very well. By mistake, he took my cup of coffee made in the mokapot and encouraged me, "what a nice expresso you made" I answered that he took my cup in which I made the coffee at the mokapot :)))))))))))))
Espresso not expresso 😅
@@nathanhutchings9625was gonna say the same thing
Many people make this mistake. To make matters worse, the box of the Bialetti pot says Moka Express Pot. I realize express does not make reference to espresso but still, it confuses people.
Calling it “expresso” make me think it wasn’t a fair comparison
@@nathanhutchings9625 My barista teacher always said "barista that says eXpresso doesn't get their diploma!!!" 😂
This is exactly what I was looking for. I like it when RUclipsrs don’t bullshit their viewers to sell expensive shit.
This is the comparison I never knew I needed
Fully agree, Moka pot (Bialleti) coffee is not real espresso, thought Italians may still call it espresso because it is concentrated and you drink it in two sips. I've been having Moka coffee daily for the last 10 years, it's convenient & my kitchen is rather small. I only buy ground Lavazza Qualita Rossa since it has a chocolate flavour. I add a bit of oat milk and half a teaspoon of honey. At this point it is so good I can't be convinced to buy a real espresso machine.
When going out, yes, it is real espresso that I'm ordering, however some restaurants can still mess it up regardless.
honey and coffee ? really ? i got to try that thx for the tip
Ofc, it makes the drink smoother. I drink tea with honey only. But coffee gets more interesting too. @@jefftay9850
If you fill the Moka pot with hot water you can't grip it without a towel. At least that's my experience.
I have two options for cooking in Moka Pot.
With the use of room temperature and hot water.
1. Grind medium or medium fine.
Cook on low heat, if it flows too quickly, it is better to reduce the gas a little, and remove it when lighter coffee flows. You don't have to wait for an eruption, because in this case my coffee came out bitter.
When the flow stops, stir.
2. When pouring hot water, in this case, you can remove the gas when the eruption starts.
The Bialetti Brikka produces a large crema-like foam; especially the newer generation that has an upgraded valve in the top chamber. Use Cafe Bustelo or Medaglia D'Oro - both by the Rowland Group if using pre-ground. They have Robusta beans as part of the blend and the Robusta is key to producing the crema/foam. Bialetti recommends a 70/30 Robusta/Arabica mix.
Lavazza Crema e Gusto is also an Arabica/Robusta blend.
@@tedolphbundler724 - do you know the ratios?
@@RonDevito I think it is 70% Arabica and 30% Robusto. I don't have the packaging handy so I can't say for sure. It should be on their website.
@@tedolphbundler724 - thank you. For the Brikka, it needs to be the other way around. And dark roast preferred. The people having trouble dialing in both Moka and Espresso are messing about with 100% or majority Arabica and/or light roasts.
@@RonDevito Don't count on my memory. I just checked their website and it doesn't say. It is a dark roast.
Yes! You can’t beat the Bialetti Moka Express pot. 😊
How exactly does filling the chamber with hot water change the extraction time as you stated (at time 1:22)? The extraction time can only begin once the steam pressure is high enough to force water up the filter tube. If you start with hot water or cold, the extraction only begins with the pressure, and is equal in extraction time. The only difference would be the time to heat the water to bring it to the stage of extraction. Heating water prior isn't changing extraction, it's only changing time in the moka base (but of course you're using time prior to heat the water elsewhere).
Time extraction will always be the same, whether you use hot or cold water. But, the longer the coffee is in contact with heat (which comes from the pot itself), the bitter it gets.
That's why some people suggest using preheated water.
Bialetti says the official correct grind for the moka pot is medium-fine, not medium-coarse.
The thing about espresso machines is cost, repair & maintenance. Also, the manufacturer could go out of business or sell out to a new owner who doesn't care.
Who in the right mind would ever buy an expensive espresso machine? A $300-1k espresso machine is sufficient. I imagine it would last upward to half a decade, it would be more than sufficient. If it breaks down, just buy a new one, they’re disposable. I can’t imagine who in their right mind would ever buy an overly expensive espresso machine, it makes no sense unless you own a coffee shop, right.
I noticed some inaccuracies in your video. If I may…
• Grind: Moka Pot manufacturers recommend a medium fine grind (or a little finer than drip grind). Not a medium coarse as you state. Medium fine is how Moka Pot coffee is sold throughout Italy.
• Pre-heating: Pre-heating/pre-boiling water offers no benefit. Boiling time is roughly the same whether in the Moka Pot or in a kettle. Extraction time is the same since extraction only occurs as water passes through the coffee. Room temperature water is also the manufacturer's recommendation.
• Stopping extraction: Simply remove the Moka Pot from heat. Extraction will stop nearly immediately. No need to fumble with rinsing the Moka Pot under the tap - which will result in near unavoidable spillage.
• Noteworthy: The vast majority of Italians don't employ any of your "best practices" in their daily routines and they've been enjoying their, un-bitter, Moka Pot espresso for nearly a hundred years. It is highly doubtful any Italian would settle for bitter Moka Pot espresso as you allude.
• Conclusion: Yes, espresso machine espresso is better. However, Moka Pot espresso is very nearly the same. Most people inexperienced with espresso would be hard pressed to tell the difference. Which is why Italians have been making Moka Pot espresso for almost one hundred years.
• Most importantly: None of the so called "best practices" improve Moka Pot espresso flavor. As previously mentioned, it is highly doubtful the entire population of Italy would have been settling for bitter Moka Pot espresso for nearly the last one hundred years.
Of course, in the end, you can make your Moka Pot espresso as you like.
Here are some Moka Pot espresso videos I've found very helpful. Hopefully you will as well.
Annalisa J.
ruclips.net/video/QbhYNipVYSY/видео.html
Italian with Bri
ruclips.net/video/_HKSe5Zo8tE/видео.html
Best wishes on your coffee journey.
Pre heating DOES have benefit based on the coffee you're using.
For darker roast, it doesn't matter.
However it DOES make a difference with lighter roasts which require a higher water temp to properly extract and shouldn't be kept over the burner while the water heats.
@@spaceracer23 Water boils at 100°C/212°F (law of physics). Boiling water, and the resulting pressure buildup, are required for the Moka Pot to work. Pre-heating doesn't make the water a "higher temp". You can't change the laws of physics. Pre-heating Moka Pot water has ZERO benefit and makes ZERO difference.
@@spaceracer23 well the water has to be 100°C for the moka pot to work so how does preheating the water make a difference
@@frankhughes001it makes a difference in that the grounds themselves are in proximity to heat for less long
@@nidhishshivashankar4885 In a Moka Pot, the coffee grounds are more than adequately insulated by the stainless steel basket. As proven by the multiple millions of Italians who have enjoyed Moka Pot espresso for nearly 100 years.
Expresó coffee preferably is what you want to put in the Moka
Bustello Supreme , Cafe La Llave , sello rojo . You’re Welcome Guys . Order these 3 if you haven’t put these in the pot . I’ve had Illy & Medaglia D'Oro Italian Roast Espresso not the same
Just got a moka pot, and the taste is amazing. Why did it take me this long to have one. Also, why have an expesso machine when you have a moka pot. The coffee is thick and has an intense taste, great with a spoon of sugar.
Good comparison. Thank you
Both of these can make great coffee but different things. Moka Pot is Moka Pot not Espresso.
Why not if you put ground expression into the Moka pot? Genuinely wondering.
@@daiirowe1841 Espresso is a method not a coffee. If you put finally ground coffee used for espresso in a moka pot, It will not work.
@@deathkid411 This is untrue. I have been super-fine grinding beans for my stove top rig for over 40 years. The secret is to press the ground into the basket a bit at a time using the edge of a spoon. This way you do not restrict the passage of water. I have had plenty of espresso from expensive machines and none compare to what I make myself.
@@MrTimjwilson Hi, are you using moka pot?
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Nothing taste’s better than a $5000-20,000.00 espresso machine so creamy and frothy full body hands down case closed. Forget about those cheap counter top imitations.
try dilute the espresso to match the volume out the moka pot output
Why not to use original Bialetti Moka Express?
can simplify the process a little by filling the bottom chamber with water and letting it heat on low or medium while grinding beans and filling the funnel, attaching top chamber, etc. fewer steps
Can you run the moka pot on a low heat with cold water on a longer period of time, instead of inserting hot water first? Wouldnt that give the same effect?
I can't speak to the impact on flavor, but you can, without doubt, use the process you've described. I've done it many a time in my moka pot to make Cuban-style café con leche.
I do it all the time bro. Saves some gas and makes better brew, cuz pressure is not ramping up that high. Also I cut the heat off when coffee starts to come out. Cut off time depends on the size, bigger pot - more inertia. Experiment. No matter what you do, there shoudn`t be a Yellowstone in the kitchen, just a steady calm flow, like a woman`s orgasm ;)
As long as am getting coffee any will do... just use the best beans , grind to your liking.. after all we don't have the same palates...😊 learn to make your own at home using what you have.
Moka pot coffee wasn't espresso, basically it just a stonger compared to drip tray coffee but still bellow espresso.
Mokkkkaaa pot always better and more traditional
Moka Pot Bialetti Brikka 2020 Crema Work.
Mocha pot dies not make expresso. It is a mocha express pot.
but your machined espresso is not well extracted though
can you explain running the cold water on the moka pot, when do you do it?
I think it is to stop extraction, bring the water temp down faster; however im pretty sure the extraction is stopped either way at that point
moka is not an espresso
Mokapresso
moka pot isn't expresso though? I'm also not sure why you didn't just use as moka pot one size smaller that would at least give you comparable quantities.
Respectfully, the quantity doesn't matter.
You can simply brew less in the bigger pot if you wish.
However it still won't be the same as an espresso machine because it can't match the pressure.
What matters is getting the proper extraction out of the ground coffee.
In a machine, that's done with pressure. In a moka pot, that's done with a higher volume of water.
The smaller moka pot will have less water, but it will also be trying to extract from less coffee.
Ultimately, big moka pots and little moka pots should produce close to the same flavor if the coffee to water ratio stays the same.
hi what is the best practice ye applied for making coffee via your Mokkapot?
The best practice is to follow the instructions on the box.
Hella channeling on that extraction
Use paper filter
Moka tastes better
Mannaggia marrone ! Hot water in the moka ?!
Muricans...they like to use gloves )
Flair 2 pro is espresso on a budget...
what has the higher caffeine level moka vs espresso
That's going to depend on the coffee you're using.
If you're using the same coffee and getting the proper extraction from both the moka pot and the espresso machine, then you would probably be getting more caffeine per gram of coffee from the machine.
However this is kind of like asking if turning the AC off in your car saves gas. Yeah, maybe a little, but other factors make a much bigger difference.
@@spaceracer23 thx
if you use in the same amount of coffee beans for both methods and finish the whole drink the absolute amount of caffeine consumed will be the same down to a tiny percentile.
Another comparison of apples and oranges
moka is way better ... Keen does not know shit.
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Just use a percolator a long cup of joe at around 37pence, beats any takeaway #inmyopinion
Percolator coffee tastes terrible.
@@tedolphbundler724 Why, if you want half a litre of coffee, works better than anything else #inmyopinion
@@betchaanbetjane7045 If you can drink a half liter of coffee, something is wrong with the coffee. Now, if you are having a dinner party, a French Press can make a lot of coffee for a half dozen guests, and tastes waaay better than percolator dish water.
@@tedolphbundler724 Morning as an ex South African farmer, we woke up at 05:30 drank a pint in those days of coffee then got into the fields. That pint got you going for six hours when you broke for lunch, another pint and good for another six hours. I can assure you the coffee is “ good” my girlfriend said so, so that’s a fact😢 a few cups keeps me buzzing throughout the day, so in my opinion that’s the deal. Done
Half a litre ? Is that causing you problems ? Recently we had a wedding and we needed more than 50 cups at once lol@@betchaanbetjane7045
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French press makes a weak, effeminate cup of coffee. Perfect for French people.
Coffee produced in a moka pot is not true espresso . 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 🇮🇹🤌🏼 laughs in Italian