Yeah, it's great. But what ever happened to Warcraft 2? That game needs to be easily available on windows 10/11 Also would be nice to see WC2 Remastered.
@@crimsonlightbinder he will suffer from PTSD and survivors guilt and become an alcoholic then homeless and the veterans department won't help him enough and he will die alone on the streets.
Oh man! I was at WCG 2010 and watched this game live! I didn't know there was a replay for it! This wasn't the finals, it was game 2 of the semi-finals. Flash played Kal in the finals, and Kal was watching these games about 5 feet in front of me! I'm so glad RUclips decided I needed to see this game again.
Thanks for letting us know this was a re-cast on the channel. I won't add it to Flash's record on the channel. I actually remembered this game because I remembered Flash taking the high ground with that tank forever lol
What made Flash tap out was I think lings also preventing mining at the left side, mineral-only base. So he had no mining going on anymore. Falcon, thanks for the amazing cast!
I remember when starcraft first came out. I starrted playing the day it came out. Been playing since then. Hard to believe I have been playing for 24 years
I think how Jaedong won this was he expanded very far and got away mining the far out bases first. So as the game progressed, he still had minerals on bases near to his main which gave him easier time to defend compared to flash who was stretched out at the extreme
I had to chuckle out loud when you were talking about how much an economy matters to winning and then you immediately started selling merchandise. Lol I love it.
Wow, such a great game between the two top players. Unfortunately I have lost my bet on Flash, my favourite Terran player at all times. But it was fun watching playing Jaedong. Thanks for sharing Falcon.
for the information, the old replay files were high chance broken/corrupted, that is why many afk troops/workers. I think we still can find this match on youtube, I forgot the channel and I remembered I watched this match during year 2010
jaedong is a starcraft god , the dark swarm and the plague was fantastic, is very dificult for a zerg player wins in the late game to a terran , and he beats flash , what a match
I'm also under the impression that zerg has a (albeit small) disadvantage in the late game, because defilers and your squishy forces in general need more micro than you need for the siege tanks. (Saying that as a terran player)
Absolutely! In their prime, Flash may have higher apm but jaedong has overall best skills imo. Zerg always requires macro control because they are always out of number!!
If i recall correctly, when i watched this replay 10 years ago I watched it with a replay detector where I could see the clicks of the player. Flash objective here was to never let Jaedong get the gas at the expansion located @ 3'o clock. That was key to his victory but he couldnt control so much of the map.
Omg amazing. I wanted another cast of this. Such an amazing game... Possibly the best. My other favorite is Bisu v. Jaedong on Circuit breakers. Thanks for the cast!!
Missed a lurker hold @11:46. You actually look at the three lurkers Jaedong does it with, but then pan to the push into his natural when they actually burrow and stop the reinforcements.
@@phamduc1987 The play itself has been called "stop lurkers" or "hold lurkers" interchangeably for a while now by announcers or casters. The in-game order issued is "Hold Position" though. Lurkers actually do not do anything except for stop attacking for a just moment if you tell them to hold position while burrowed, as they cant move anyways =P. You need to have another unit in the control group you are issuing the order to, that actually can hold position, which forces the lurkers to stop their attacks.
@@tdsteakhouse I have not played broodwar for years (at least 7-8 years), as I remember you have to use the "stop" control, not "hold position" control to intentionally prevent the lurker from attacking automatically. is that because of an update, or my bad memory ?
18:44 Now that's interesting, science vessels standing nearby holding position scourges :D And that tank on the high ground with his 36 kills, gotta rename him Obi-Wan !
Yes. I propose that this is the all-time classic game of the channel:) Old but Gold. I am also looking forward to new Jaedong games! He is back and playing 🤫
I honestly love the pacing of Broodwar compared to SC2. Lots of small victories and losses everywhere. You don't deathball super often because most maps don't allow for it, and even then you can't just A-move because of the limiting control groups and tide swinging spell caster type units.
agreed the thing that makes broodwar great compared to SC2 is that the tension and pacing is changing wildly throughout the games. This makes it more random and exciting to watch. The potential for comebacks is also greater. In SC2 the tension is at a constant high all the time, which makes it boring to watch imo. There are not many positional plays and the pattern or pacing of the games are just the same.
I agree with your points but I would also add that bad pathing also increases the amount of control you need so less death ball-y too. Really good pathing lets you box move a whole army whereas pathing where units are constantly bumping and blocking each other keeps you from moving your army as a giant unit.
Oh man what if they selective brought back some of the SC2 stuff back to brood war it would be best, limited unit groups is a great idea. I wish Hydras did +1 vs marines and +2 vs mutalisks, and Dragoons did less dmg vs wraiths but more dmg vs mutalisks it would be best.
VFX & SFX, hell, the whole feel of SC1 is so much better than sc2. Imagine that best was running on fine on 256 colors. You didn't even need 16bits! Masterpiece!
I recall having watched this game back in 2013, still in korean since it was originally streamed there... I did not understood a word of what the caster was saying, but man, this game is 150 IQ at the best, and 60 IQ at the lowest... still cannot process how Jaedong ignored the west undefended base for so long
I remember watching those replays 10 years ago. For some reason I can remember what the plays were and the match ended up but I cannot remember my sister's birthday...
I thought that old replays were hard to find because they weren't shared at the time. For this pro in the past had mostly video broadcast but not really replays to analyse.
He just had no more money coming in. His left side base was getting overrun and he had no army to defend it with, and also he just lost the position on the right side, and since Jaedong still had 2 mining bases, albeit slowly mining, it was clear to Flash there was no way for him to survive longer than 2-3 more minutes. Actually Jaedong's strategy was brilliant. There are several layers: - He went for a risky strategy of taking far-out bases first so he mined out the corners of the map and then he still had bases with money closer to his production - easier to defend late-game. This meant a very difficult mid-game where he almost lost like 5 times. But he banked on his skill to survive that phase, and then eventually it became more and more desperate for Flash since he had the opposite problem, because terran has a very hard time defending spread out positions. - There are several points in the game where Jaedong saves his outposts with some well-timed lurkers at the perfect moment, which are just the level of mastery required to actually survive this type of strategy. Basically Jaedong was in crisis mode until he got Hive tech (defilers and nydus) - Also, Flash is very well known for his style to turtle on 3 bases while slowly securing a 4th base. And most people think they should be able to break a 3-base terran with superior numbers. But Flash is so good at defending he just beats everyone. But if you look at this game closely Jaedong never attacked into Flash's corner of the map, except for some harrassment early on. - Normally Nydus Canals are not really very important until very late game, but in this game Jaedong made excellent use of them because of him taking far out bases and spreading out over the map. This makes it so Jaedong can essentially be anywhere to defend, and Flash can't just bring him out of position by switching the place of attack. Flash knows this, so, in turn, he will most likely concentrate over one point of the map since it's not as good to split up, although we see some side-attacks in this game. Flash thought that by having the tank deny that 4th base that he's certainly winning, but he overcommitted to that spot on the map. A sort of sunk cost bias. Jaedong knows this too, and instead of focusing on killing the dreaded tank, which would have been risky (350/350 to research overlord speed and drop, + a bad trade on top of the ramp) and the game was really really close all the time, 2 fewer ultras/defilers at any point could have meant death), he instead realized that concentrating over one point means there's only one supply line of reinforcements, which allowed Jaedong to hit that line of reinforcements several times over the course of the game and those were the most profitable fights for him. Actually, even though it looks like Flash is winning, or close to most of the time, the game would have been over in Jaedong's favor much earlier if he didn't missclick the group that should have attacked the left-hand mineral-only base. Which is so cool to see because at some point Jaedong was not understanding why Flash kept having units, since in his mind the left-hand base was dead. When he finally realized he hadn't killed it he had a moment of complete suprise and anger that was, of course, immediately caught by the casters at the time. One of the most memorable games with incredible depth. You just don't see this in SC2, sadly.
Jaedong almost lost mid game… glad he nailed it and flash gave up his chance here. This match told me something about good ground to hold may bring you great advantage, instead of falling into dead position.
Hi Mr Falcon Paladin! Thanks for all the great casts and for bringing new viewers to Brood War (I am one of those that you converted a while back 😃). Could you please do a cast on one of Tasteless' games? I actually really enjoy watching his style of Protoss. Thanks, and hope things are going really well with you & your family! ❤️
Do you plan to have a playlist for another great Zerg player apart from Jaedong? Jaedon was great, but would be good to get an idea from another pro Zerg player. Not sure who was the second best after him. Effort or someone, I am not sure :)
@@lapthom Savior was extremely good, but he failed to adapt to the evolving meta after people figured out how to beat 3-hatch mutalisk. Effort is probably the second best ever. I remember a game vs Bisu where they were fighting in 2 places on the map and Effort still had his scouting drone running from a zealot in Bisu's base. Legendary.
Question folks, I am newer to the game and after watching several tvz games my question is, what would flash do if jaedong decided to 6 long rush, considering he went fast expo and 0 defense.
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such a beautiful game. Great to see it in remastered
Yeah, it's great. But what ever happened to Warcraft 2? That game needs to be easily available on windows 10/11
Also would be nice to see WC2 Remastered.
@@compliantpleb4712 wc2 is not a good game. Orcs are way stronger than humans.
@@compliantpleb4712 Blizz already stated that they will not remaster WarCraft 2 you Noob.
that tank guy with 46+ kills survived and arrived back to his family !
Yeah he won't stop talking bout that one time Flash was His commander
@@sethiddings7293 yeah, he returned a war hero from a lost war, be he will be bitter and ramble drunk how flash betrayed him
@@crimsonlightbinder he will suffer from PTSD and survivors guilt and become an alcoholic then homeless and the veterans department won't help him enough and he will die alone on the streets.
legend
Every soldier boy under command of great korean general - Flash becomes a warhero!
Props to Blizzard for creating a game people are still playing 24 YEARS LATER!!!
A classic franchise! 👍👍👍
It's too bad they got bought by Activision.
And guess what, I just got into it
@@cedb3360 And I hope you really like it. I was playing this game in Korea back in the early 2000s when it really took off.
25 years confirmed?@@cedb3360
Finally not a clickbait title.
- Great game
- Great commentary
- Great ending
Oh man! I was at WCG 2010 and watched this game live! I didn't know there was a replay for it! This wasn't the finals, it was game 2 of the semi-finals. Flash played Kal in the finals, and Kal was watching these games about 5 feet in front of me! I'm so glad RUclips decided I needed to see this game again.
I love the internet. You are basically a primary source for progaming history.
Thanks for letting us know this was a re-cast on the channel. I won't add it to Flash's record on the channel. I actually remembered this game because I remembered Flash taking the high ground with that tank forever lol
Even though I usually root for Protoss, I have loved watching this game again and again! Brood War is such an amazing game.
Играть за терран сложно,чем за протоса или зерга. Но Флеш это делает красиво эпический. Трехкратный чемпион Асл.🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The true beating heart of the Brood war: TvZ
18:45 Those hold position scourge at the bottom of the screen made me burn from the inside.
just came to comment on that haha
they have excellent self control
Didn't want to die today
What made Flash tap out was I think lings also preventing mining at the left side, mineral-only base. So he had no mining going on anymore.
Falcon, thanks for the amazing cast!
I remember when starcraft first came out. I starrted playing the day it came out. Been playing since then. Hard to believe I have been playing for 24 years
Thank you for this lovely Starcraft Broodwar cast, FP
Of course, Ebee :)
Thank you. I spent soo much time playing the original vs computer. This content is a pleasure for me.
I don't even know what I had for breakfast but I remember this game from 2010. What a time to be alive!
I think how Jaedong won this was he expanded very far and got away mining the far out bases first. So as the game progressed, he still had minerals on bases near to his main which gave him easier time to defend compared to flash who was stretched out at the extreme
thanks for spoiler me
@@laliluHanfImSchuh May you learn not to wander into the comments if you care about spoilers. They always gonna be here somewhere.
@@sethiddings7293 i think on phone, it shows comments autoly.
@@delta0307 its insane how it seemed the whole time that flash was winning and constantly attacking, it feels like the vietnam war lmao,
It is going to be sort of tradition to cast the best-of-the best ones playing against each other casted by FP, pleasure in its pure form!
"Reeeeee-mastered!!!!"
Best part. Gets u pumped!
I had to chuckle out loud when you were talking about how much an economy matters to winning and then you immediately started selling merchandise. Lol I love it.
I watched this game live, and I'm glad to see that it aged well
Wow, such a great game between the two top players. Unfortunately I have lost my bet on Flash, my favourite Terran player at all times. But it was fun watching playing Jaedong. Thanks for sharing Falcon.
Я был уверен, что Флеш заберет победу, но Джейдонг в очередной раз показал кто батя
for the information, the old replay files were high chance broken/corrupted, that is why many afk troops/workers.
I think we still can find this match on youtube, I forgot the channel and I remembered I watched this match during year 2010
They are not corrupted, they just require the same SC version they was recorded in.
This is third time you cast this game and is always a pleasure to watch it. And of course, we need to see Flash losing sometimes, don't we? 😁
LOVE the old replays! love the vids
My favorite game of all time. The back and forth, tactics, counters and it's exciting right up to the GG.
jaedong is a starcraft god , the dark swarm and the plague was fantastic, is very dificult for a zerg player wins in the late game to a terran , and he beats flash , what a match
You have to survive to the end game to master it.
I'm also under the impression that zerg has a (albeit small) disadvantage in the late game, because defilers and your squishy forces in general need more micro than you need for the siege tanks. (Saying that as a terran player)
Absolutely! In their prime, Flash may have higher apm but jaedong has overall best skills imo. Zerg always requires macro control because they are always out of number!!
If i recall correctly, when i watched this replay 10 years ago I watched it with a replay detector where I could see the clicks of the player. Flash objective here was to never let Jaedong get the gas at the expansion located @ 3'o clock. That was key to his victory but he couldnt control so much of the map.
Omg amazing. I wanted another cast of this. Such an amazing game... Possibly the best. My other favorite is Bisu v. Jaedong on Circuit breakers. Thanks for the cast!!
Missed a lurker hold @11:46. You actually look at the three lurkers Jaedong does it with, but then pan to the push into his natural when they actually burrow and stop the reinforcements.
is that a hold or a stop ?
@@phamduc1987 The play itself has been called "stop lurkers" or "hold lurkers" interchangeably for a while now by announcers or casters.
The in-game order issued is "Hold Position" though. Lurkers actually do not do anything except for stop attacking for a just moment if you tell them to hold position while burrowed, as they cant move anyways =P. You need to have another unit in the control group you are issuing the order to, that actually can hold position, which forces the lurkers to stop their attacks.
@@tdsteakhouse I have not played broodwar for years (at least 7-8 years), as I remember you have to use the "stop" control, not "hold position" control to intentionally prevent the lurker from attacking automatically. is that because of an update, or my bad memory ?
Holy cow do I love your channel 😍
Glad you enjoy it!
First day of quarantine and Falcon post Flash vs Jaedong video? This is nice!
I cant sleep but luckiliy Falcon's SC cast makes me relaxed.
Chances are I’ve seen this before and will watch it many times over. I always try to look for a video that doesn’t have a like from me yet.
One of the best (if not the best) ZvT I have ever seen. Jaedong his the best player that Zerg ever had. With the best Falcon Paladin.
Five times a week, but now youre doing 6 times a week of awesome games!
18:44 Now that's interesting, science vessels standing nearby holding position scourges :D
And that tank on the high ground with his 36 kills, gotta rename him Obi-Wan !
11:30 looking at the minimap, you can see half of the terran army get obliterated by those lurkers in the center of the map
The best players of Starcraft going against each other - life is good
Yes. I propose that this is the all-time classic game of the channel:) Old but Gold. I am also looking forward to new Jaedong games! He is back and playing 🤫
omg playing sc2 for a long time now and just see sc1 still there, the graphic is so 1990, what a nostalgia :D
2023 and we still loving StarCraft!!!
Very nice video, man! Keep it up! :D
Thanks, will do!
@@FalconPaladin No problem, you're welcome there. 🙂
26:44 "imagine being a drone and being told you're going to work at this base" 🤣
If Jaedong and Flash played Wheel of Fortune, they would both win!
I honestly love the pacing of Broodwar compared to SC2. Lots of small victories and losses everywhere. You don't deathball super often because most maps don't allow for it, and even then you can't just A-move because of the limiting control groups and tide swinging spell caster type units.
agreed the thing that makes broodwar great compared to SC2 is that the tension and pacing is changing wildly throughout the games. This makes it more random and exciting to watch. The potential for comebacks is also greater.
In SC2 the tension is at a constant high all the time, which makes it boring to watch imo. There are not many positional plays and the pattern or pacing of the games are just the same.
I agree with your points but I would also add that bad pathing also increases the amount of control you need so less death ball-y too. Really good pathing lets you box move a whole army whereas pathing where units are constantly bumping and blocking each other keeps you from moving your army as a giant unit.
Interesting analysis! Also, more on a level of taste, I don't like how squishy zealots and ultralisks are in SC2.
Oh man what if they selective brought back some of the SC2 stuff back to brood war it would be best, limited unit groups is a great idea. I wish Hydras did +1 vs marines and +2 vs mutalisks, and Dragoons did less dmg vs wraiths but more dmg vs mutalisks it would be best.
Its Falcon Paladin coming at you!!!!
What a classic! I couldn't believe who won. Wow.
The most EPIC BATTLE between Zerg and Terran of ALL TIME.
Wow....great game. And here i thought Boxer was still the emperor. How times have changed 😮
10/10 game - this was such a Carlsen vs Hikaru game.
Nothing like watching two of the best go at it like this.
VFX & SFX, hell, the whole feel of SC1 is so much better than sc2. Imagine that best was running on fine on 256 colors. You didn't even need 16bits! Masterpiece!
9:29 as a Spanish speaker this drew my attention haha, random 'tres'
I recall having watched this game back in 2013, still in korean since it was originally streamed there... I did not understood a word of what the caster was saying, but man, this game is 150 IQ at the best, and 60 IQ at the lowest... still cannot process how Jaedong ignored the west undefended base for so long
I remember watching those replays 10 years ago. For some reason I can remember what the plays were and the match ended up but I cannot remember my sister's birthday...
I LOVE THOSE SPANISH WORDS FALCON
As a guy who never got out of PvE in SC, it blows my mind how quickly ultralisks go down in these games.
28:24 Manner Command Center yes?
You've been dark swarmed by, you've been plagued by a smooth defiler
If only Michael Jackson played Broodwar.
Still ove this game thanks man keep kickin ass
No problem, dude! Will do!
@7:15
WHERE ARE THE 9 MUTALISK?
>literally looking at and have selected 9 mutas
Hey Falcon. Is there a download link for this replay file? Whould be cool...
watched again today 15 - 11 - 2023, never gets old :)
If Jaedong can survive a 34 min constant onslaught on his face... from Jaedong... you can survive anything. hahaha
This is awesome!
Jaedong not finding that base is just torture
was this posted on naver or something?
Life is pretty bad atm but luckily there's FP with a fresh match between Flash and JD
whats the thumbnail from?
Flash 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I need to start plaging again. I only find StarCraft Remastered, is it not possible to download Brood War Remastered somewhere?
What date this match is from?
The thumbnail looks like it's coming directly from a StarCraft trailer :D
jaedong just doesnt go away. impressive win.
I thought that old replays were hard to find because they weren't shared at the time. For this pro in the past had mostly video broadcast but not really replays to analyse.
Why did flash tap out? Im not that experienced with sc and im curious to know
He just had no more money coming in. His left side base was getting overrun and he had no army to defend it with, and also he just lost the position on the right side, and since Jaedong still had 2 mining bases, albeit slowly mining, it was clear to Flash there was no way for him to survive longer than 2-3 more minutes.
Actually Jaedong's strategy was brilliant. There are several layers:
- He went for a risky strategy of taking far-out bases first so he mined out the corners of the map and then he still had bases with money closer to his production - easier to defend late-game. This meant a very difficult mid-game where he almost lost like 5 times. But he banked on his skill to survive that phase, and then eventually it became more and more desperate for Flash since he had the opposite problem, because terran has a very hard time defending spread out positions.
- There are several points in the game where Jaedong saves his outposts with some well-timed lurkers at the perfect moment, which are just the level of mastery required to actually survive this type of strategy. Basically Jaedong was in crisis mode until he got Hive tech (defilers and nydus)
- Also, Flash is very well known for his style to turtle on 3 bases while slowly securing a 4th base. And most people think they should be able to break a 3-base terran with superior numbers. But Flash is so good at defending he just beats everyone. But if you look at this game closely Jaedong never attacked into Flash's corner of the map, except for some harrassment early on.
- Normally Nydus Canals are not really very important until very late game, but in this game Jaedong made excellent use of them because of him taking far out bases and spreading out over the map. This makes it so Jaedong can essentially be anywhere to defend, and Flash can't just bring him out of position by switching the place of attack. Flash knows this, so, in turn, he will most likely concentrate over one point of the map since it's not as good to split up, although we see some side-attacks in this game. Flash thought that by having the tank deny that 4th base that he's certainly winning, but he overcommitted to that spot on the map. A sort of sunk cost bias.
Jaedong knows this too, and instead of focusing on killing the dreaded tank, which would have been risky (350/350 to research overlord speed and drop, + a bad trade on top of the ramp) and the game was really really close all the time, 2 fewer ultras/defilers at any point could have meant death), he instead realized that concentrating over one point means there's only one supply line of reinforcements, which allowed Jaedong to hit that line of reinforcements several times over the course of the game and those were the most profitable fights for him.
Actually, even though it looks like Flash is winning, or close to most of the time, the game would have been over in Jaedong's favor much earlier if he didn't missclick the group that should have attacked the left-hand mineral-only base. Which is so cool to see because at some point Jaedong was not understanding why Flash kept having units, since in his mind the left-hand base was dead. When he finally realized he hadn't killed it he had a moment of complete suprise and anger that was, of course, immediately caught by the casters at the time.
One of the most memorable games with incredible depth. You just don't see this in SC2, sadly.
What an insane game…. Back and forth … back and forth
why does no one make 2-3 firebats per marine group?
That was a fantastic match!
Yea I'll buy a Falco paladin shirt
Do you play UED champaighn?
holy crap. i didn't think zerg would win. great job, jaedong!
How can I find your original casting of this? I don’t want to watch the remaster
Here's the OG! ruclips.net/video/BZPsMwhnZRk/видео.html
uh where do I get the remasterederd versoin
Here! starcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/
This was no Finals, but Semi Finals.
thanks, Falcon
No problem!
11:24 ...to put those marines just barely out of range like that without losing one...
When was this match played?
Jaedong almost lost mid game… glad he nailed it and flash gave up his chance here.
This match told me something about good ground to hold may bring you great advantage, instead of falling into dead position.
Epic battle
Is that an interface mod?
Hi Mr Falcon Paladin! Thanks for all the great casts and for bringing new viewers to Brood War (I am one of those that you converted a while back 😃). Could you please do a cast on one of Tasteless' games? I actually really enjoy watching his style of Protoss. Thanks, and hope things are going really well with you & your family! ❤️
How he control so many units with control group of twelves?
13:08 "all live long dlay" cat reference lmfao
Flash not using tanks?Why?
Do you plan to have a playlist for another great Zerg player apart from Jaedong? Jaedon was great, but would be good to get an idea from another pro Zerg player. Not sure who was the second best after him. Effort or someone, I am not sure :)
@Laszlo Papp At the starting of your comment, I was thinking about Effort, too! 😉😏
wasn't Savior also a good Zerg player?
@@lapthom Savior was extremely good, but he failed to adapt to the evolving meta after people figured out how to beat 3-hatch mutalisk. Effort is probably the second best ever. I remember a game vs Bisu where they were fighting in 2 places on the map and Effort still had his scouting drone running from a zealot in Bisu's base. Legendary.
Question folks, I am newer to the game and after watching several tvz games my question is, what would flash do if jaedong decided to 6 long rush, considering he went fast expo and 0 defense.
Lift the expand, or cancel it, block the ramp with SCVs and have a marine behind them.
This feels like prime Jaedong. I feel so sad when I see Bisu and JD getting destroyed by basically anyone nowadays. :( Also, 18:44 is very funny :=)
What a classic ❤