ULTRAS vs PROTOSS????? | CNSL 7
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- ro16 Group D - Dewalt (P) vs XiaoShuai (Z) - Winner's Match, bo3
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Artosis needs a sweater. Too many chills.
give that mtf a blanket
It's a crime he hasn't liked or pinned this yet.
Cool games. The expert commentary really holds my interest. I fired up BW for the first time in 8+ years last night because of these casts!! I successfully 1v3d some computers… but it really put in to perspective what high apm allows. There is so much to remember while the action is going on. Its impressive that people don’t run up like 2k minerals while they are also running engagements. Thanks for this channel Artosis
i played my first game of bw the other week cuz of these casts after not having played bw since b4 sc2
I really wanna get back into the game, but it seems only really good players are still active. Even the lowest tier players are completely out of my league.
@@Hulavuta no not just good players in custome games
For sure, RTs commentary makes these matches way more fun to watch
i love the level of commentary on these casts. Would not have had the slightest clue on the calibre of skill in these matches in terms of decision making
These CSNL updates have gotten me back into watching brood war, thanks for casting these
CNSL WOOPS
I think the ultra-ling plays were super fun to watch! Seeing storms used on that kind of composition was so exciting, because the lings *can* dip out quickly if the zerg player micros in time, but if they don't do it instantly, so many lings just melt. Your excitement was certainly infectious, it's so awesome to see people still have so much love for this game.
ARTOSIS in the morning, while working out, while sleeping. MY GOAT
wassup my dude its gankmobile :D listen to artosis as I sleep every night.
I offer a Mario Erotica novel narrated by Artosis voice if you're interested. $4.99
Back go the 00's, pvz meta was ultra-lings vs zealots-archons
Gotta say man, I love your enthusiasm in watching your casts. Brings me back 20 years when I used to discuss every aspect of a match to friends in college. Keep it up!
Great games! Both Xiao's fancy unorthodox builds and DeWalt's by the book execution were enjoyable to observe.
Loved the games! I especially enjoy when two huge armies clash together, a rare-ish sight in competitive games imo
For once, I'm getting chills as well. What a crazy series. Love the games - even though I'm 3 months late! Appreciate the coverage, looking forward to future seasons. Cheers
That first game was the goofiest, jankiest, craziest thing I've ever witnessed. I'm all for this happening more times in the future with this matchup, because this shit is peak entertainment.
this new format really rocks! Plz keep on!
Protoss do be loving their 'micro holes' =D
People are saying how strong Zerg is, but noone is taking about how you can remove 16 MILLION RESOURCES WITH JUST THREE ARCHON SHOTS! INSANE VALUE, CHILLS
bw is such a beautiful game, glad we still have these casts to keep it alive for a wider audience
Very cool games! Been enjoying CNSL very much. Used to play a lot of Brood War back in college (just LAN parties with friends, mostly) and it's neat to see it played so well.
I just finished watching the ASL finals, which was solid. The finals can be amazing but there have been some let-downs over the years. This series was as fun to watch as some of the best moments of the ASL! Amazing games, amazing commentary. The only missing was tasteless telling you "no way he makes guardians" right before the greater spire.
The CNSL is probably my favorite SC1 content to watch besides the ASL. Cant click these fast enough! I love how you group the games as well.
Love seeing stuff that shakes up the meta. Your commentary really helps contextualize a lot of it too.
The 3x high templar snipe near the end of the 1st game was a nail in the coffin.
Sc2 cinematic was filmed in the first game
I'm reminded of *"InDepth" - Episode 1* when you break down Scarlet v Serral, when she mollywhopped him with ling-lurker by timing out her +1 carapace with his +1 missile attack. Then in another game, Raynor does a variation on ling-lurker, and iirc he went to ling-ultra at the end? Just fun to see some borrowing of ideas back and forth (or accidental evolution to similar ideas) but in different matchups, but same situation that some attack upgrade nullifies zerglings use because of the 2nd most efficient breakpoint upgrade: reducing 3 hits to 2 hits for kill (most efficient is 2 shots to 1 shot), and using carapace upgrade to uno reverse the circumstance to surprise use speedlings all the way to rushed hive cracklings.
I think the reason Protoss went for + Armor was due to how his wall was shaped. When you get + Armor you're doing it to counter Hydras, not Lings. When he had to build a weird wall with the Forge out in the open like that at the start in order to block the Ling run by, he probably assumed that the Zerg would punish it by going 3 Hatch Hydra and break down the wall with relative ease. Of course that and the fact that he sniped the Hydra Den early on incentivized the Zerg to go for Lings with Carapace and gave us that excellent game. Crazy how a single moment in the game can create a cascading effect, changing the entire tech tree on both sides.
Really was insane how well the zerg adapted to getting his lurker tech cancelled. the fact he had an immediate tech mixup to counter that situation was nuts.
No....the hydra busy would have targeted the forge before the upgrade would ever finish
This style of PvZ is so entertaining!! Not gonna spoil the techs, but damn I want to see more games like this for sure!!!!
Excellent games. 1st game was the coolest game I've seen in a long time.
Lol at Dewalt running up with 3 zealots and 2 archon, killing the hydra den and running away. I love his weird and aggressive styles, especially the way he's constantly attacking multiple bases at once to get drones with his zealots. I want him to win this thing so bad!
Awesome games with CNSL, especially nice waiting for the ASL finals to have that SC fix.
feedback against defilers is actually way underrated i think, really cool to see it being used here
o damn, I wasn't expecting that this series would be this good
Absolutely love how Dewalt is doing.
Series of the tournament so far! Impressive play from both players!
That 1st match ... so great to see players stepping outside the "rules and boundaries" set by the top pro players. I mean this one looked better than ASL (looking at you S17 final).
Looking forward to seeing a Chinese player making Ghosts viable.
Awesome series. First 2 games were like…. Wow. GGs!
Seems like Toss have an easier time dealing with Defilers than Terran. At least they got melee units in Dark Swarm. Plus that feedback on that defiler was sick. I think this is one of the funnest match ups I've watched so far in my short time watching SC1 casts instead of SC2.
Man! This is the best game that has had the best well use of ultralisks! Even with those mistakes of letting some ultras back sometimes.
First game was spectacular, love seeing the ultras have their moment. My question is, if he makes more zerglings and less ultras do you think that is more or less effective? Is it a larva limitation issue? I felt at times there were not enough zerglings.
Man that game 1 was so cool, the mid game felt like wc3 without heroes!
So cool to see Zerg try new builds instead of seeing hydra vs storm for the millionth time
wow awsome games ! love the commentary, what an insight.
always been curious about ultra vs lategame reaver/storm, people say those things counter ultra but losing some health on an ultra seems better than having storm/scarab consistently exploding multiple hydras
Yeah at least it allows the lings to get close enough to do the real work
16:45 the artosis chills😂
These are/were such GREAT games!!!!
this was an amazing series
The utlras/ling was awesome. It was almost like flashback many years ago.
THis series was amazing, very nice indeed.
For the love of God can someone buy this man a space heater? He has chills every game.
In the first game XiaoShuai started the Lurker Aspect research just before he saw +1 armor from Protoss, then Dewalt killed his Hydra Den and the moment Den died XiaoShuai started Queen Nest, he never remade Hydra Den, he made 0 hydralisks (and lurker) for the entire game.
Something like 'you sacrificed a bounch of units to snipe my Hydra Den + you went for armor upgrades? oh yeah, it's ling ultra then'
Yes, it seems it was a very situational build.
I have to respect XiaoShuai's quick-thinking on this one. Good game-state awareness, good improvisation / adaptation.
Crazy Zerg 2: Electric Boogaloo
This is the Shuai.
First match was insane lol
I wonder if mind control could be an effective counter to guardians? You effectively force them to use a bunch of scourge, allowing just a couple corsairs to clear them.
Dude..did you accidentally turn on the a/c while you were watching the first game...so many chills.
Loved to see Ultras and Guardians vs Protoss. Seemed to me that Z needs to have air control and at least be on par of upgrades for it to work.
Spoiler:
The second game, way too many resources were spent teching to both Ultras and Guardians at the same time, and even with defilers it was impossible to hold.
37:23 Artosis you missed XiaoShuai attempting a ninja base in the bottom left, but apparently it got killed by something from Dewalt (I'm assuming zealots)! GREAT games though!!
Edit: just saw you mention it, my bad!
Artosis! keep up the great video's!
Arty needs more sweaters for all the chills
Doing Good Work Artosis.
I am not sure if i enjoy SC in general , or just Artosis as a caster in general ... like i would probably not have loved to watch the matches, if i would not have vibed with the caster ... so ignoring the game itself for a second and giving credits to Artosis and all the effort put into this and continuing to push ahead with the great casting !
I always enjoy seeing new meta changes. Hydra vs protos every pro game gets boring. It’s like seeing wraiths, exciting!
At the point where it got to the "bridge standoff" I'd have gone into mass scout, with some corsair support and also tech to arbiter. Zerg preventing you from moving across the bridge but also being unwilling to move across it themselves means it's a stalemate. Fast scouts can get past and harass drones. Arbiters if they get anywhere can recall zealots, dt's and reavers to bomb structures. Scout's are awful versus ultras, but they're... okayish against zerglings. They can only respond to the scouts through either scourge, or through starting hydras.
It's verymuch a situation where protoss *needs* to get across the map and kill drones & overlords and slow down any expansions.
@18:20 sitting in an arc best strategy confirmed
While the top of the top players are great to watch when it comes to executing damn near perfect mechanics, I absolutely love seeing the innovation being utilized by players who aren't quite ASL shoe-ins.
It’s so chilly in here
I as a i was a protoss player when i did play actively broodwar, have encounter the mass crackling + ultralisk composition before. Its not very common since the hydra+lurker is the most efficient composition against protoss, partially becouse of the ability of bust and contains. It can be kind of op with 12+ ultra maxed in tech, but in this particular match, there where 2 big mistakes dewalt did. The first one was overextending into map while expanding clearly underrating his opponent hability to strike there. The second one was going into the right side of the map and try to attack the most defended place wich was the third of the zerg. And the guardian's blow on the natural was the last nail in the coffing for him. Im not saying im good enough to do it better tho, how plays is always with partial information and we see it all as spectators.
I think the main issue was Dewalt taking bait and engaging in open with Zerg. He should have stretched him, while staying on his side of the bridge. Do recalls, do drops on the other side, but when you give all the map to Zerg, and fight on the ground favored Zerg, what do you expect? Slow but certain death…😢 insane game though. 😂🎉
Amazing video!
Dewalt got a free win because he picked Protoss as his race, classic
The problem I see with the forge wall is how quickly you lose the forge in a hydra bust.
👿🤌THIS WILL NOT STAND DEWALT.THE SWARM SHALL RISE AGAIN STRONGER THAN BEFORE!!!!!!!
Starcraft can be such a cruel game…
33:35 One mistake. Just one mistake turned a winning position into getting eliminated.
i am enjoying the CNSL
great series
Artosis did you know you can eat Dandelions? I'm sitting on my lawn doing it now. If you just eat the yellow part it's really sweet. Recommend it. This is the type of person watching your casts btw.
8 BILLLION VESPENE GAS
chills @ 10:57
Nice game. I like ultras because a max zerg army is 2 hard 2 control
33:35 Why did the mutas stop? Was that a mistake?
Just guessing, either he misclicked and looked away or he just assumed he wouldn't get chased then looked away.
@@samc9133 It still looked very weird; like you actively have to keep clicking on the mutas to keep them bunched up like that or they'll naturally split. Maybe his camera was on where they mutas were being commanded to go, instead of keeping the camera on them and clicking the minimap.
Amazing games
Dark archons should be invisible - thoughts @artosis?
Spoiler:
Dewalt had that g2 but he wasted all of his storms and templars all game and when he did get 1-2 storm down he targeted the ultras and not the lings oftentimes lmao.
Any chance you and tasteless can do these kind of casts?
One hundred billion minerals! (and gas)
I don't think Ultra-Ling is that viable vs. Protoss because as you saw later in that game Dewalt was able to trade very well and kill off multiple armies. Unfortunately he was already too far behind and that's why he lost despite countering the Ultras very well.
Upgrades don’t affect anything
Killing the hydra den half way through the lurker upgrade probably did it
stop asking me to leave a comment, i refuse to do it
Yeahhhhh Dewalt my boy!!!
These insanely good games make up for the recent stinkers.
33:47 looool
Game number 1 my fave match~!
I think the ultralisk is whatever, he won because he droned heavily and didn't get punished so it was gg no matter what. Ultralisks weren't bad enough to lose, but that's not to say that they were necessarily better than a more standard approach either.
Love you arty, but please, his name is Xiao Sh-why. Shuai means handsome in chinese. You are calling him xiao shui, which means little water. Water is used as an adjective to describe something as mediocre, slack, and of not high quality performance. I think he is anything but mid!!!
LOL thanks working on those Chinese names still!
Whats the deal with the zealot behind the mineral line? Leave it there. He cant range attack anyways. I dont understand why they get desperate to take him down
Why does he call Dragoons, Dry-goons?
28:45 kill dewalt
lull
Ultras coming back in SC1 and 2 lately XD
Corsair micro where???
... match 1 was quite the massacre, alright
One of the most fun and insane games ive seem for some time now! love how dewalt mixes in so many archons and utilizes, tries to hit specific timings etc. - love how zerg was also timing attacking and static d + drone up - really untouchable!
PvZ is soo dynamic
How many CHILLS do you get? Cal down a bit.