Hollow Knight - Speedrunner vs. 4 Hunters on Steel Soul
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
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▶ SPEEDRUNNER VS. HUNTERS RULES
• The speedrunner wins by defeating the Hollow Knight. The hunters win if the speedrunner dies.
• Hunters start with 5 masks, Kingsoul, Tram Pass, King's Brand, Awoken Dream Nail, Lumafly Lantern.
• Hunters gain Mothwing Cloak, Mantis Claw, Isma's Tear, and Monarch Wings when the speedrunner does.
• The speedrunner cannot hear the hunter's voice chat.
• Hunters start 30 seconds after the speedrunner.
▶ SPEEDRUNNER VS. HUNTERS MODS
TheHuntIsOn by Korz
• ALL players do not receive healing from sitting on benches.
• ALL players do not receive healing from entering dream boss arenas.
• ALL players cannot use stags.
• ALL players do not spawn shades, or receive penalties from dying.
• ALL players have small elevators removed from their world. There should be platforms to replace them, but it was bugged in this version.
• ALL players can instantly travel through large elevator shafts.
• SPEEDRUNNERS will have platforms to enable them to navigate shade skip spots IF they have the loadout required to perform that shade skip.
• HUNTERS will have platforms to enable them to navigate shade skips spots no matter what their loadout is.
• HUNTERS cannot collect lifeblood seeds from the world.
• HUNTERS start with the game world unlocked (i.e. shortcuts open, most bosses killed, etc).
• HUNTERS respawn in King's Pass when they die.
• HUNTERS heal slower, and their focus cost is higher.
HKMP by ExtremelyD1
• The multiplayer mod. Also, shoutouts to DwarfWoot for hosting the server.
LoadNormalizer by Homothety
• All players have the same load times between rooms.
InvincibilityMonitor by Flib
• Gives the player invincibility during various states where they cannot act, as well as a tiny grace period after the state ends.
QoL by fifty-six
• Adds quality of life features, most importantly re-adding speedrun tech to latest patch, such as menu drops, lever skips, explosion pogo, etc.
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▶ MUSIC
Hollow Knight - Dung Defender
Donkey Kong Country - Fear Factory
Sonic Rush Adventure - Blizzard Peaks
Super Mario Odyssey - Steam Gardens
Sonic 06 - Radical Train (The Abandoned Mine)
999 - Binary Game
Knuckles' Chaotix - Midnight Greenhouse
Shadow the Hedgehog - Gun Fortress
Kirby Super Star - Cocoa Cave
Sonic 06 - White Acropolis (Snowy Peak)
Sonic 06 - Aquatic Base (Level 2)
Shadow the Hedgehog - Glyphic Canyon
Sonic 06 - Vs. Character
Sonic 06 - Kingdom Valley
Sonic Spinball - Title Theme
Stardew Valley - Summer (The Sun Can Bend An Orange Sky)
▶ CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
0:34 BetterHelp (Sponsor Segment)
2:01 Manhunt
40:02 Pantheon of God Gamers
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Please reconsider getting sponsored by them, they don't really have a good reputation
Gonna need therapy for my wait for silksong
I posted a long and detailed comment about all the allegations against the sponsor about an hour and a half ago here in the replies, and it was deleted. Don't know if this is a sponsorship requirement or anything (no hard feelings), but keep that in mind
@@paulinet68 I did as well and the same is true
I love the fact there's no fasttravel, makes manouvering and dodging so much more fun to watch
Yeah! The only thing that would make it better would be if the runner told the hunters whenever they collect any ability, so the runners spend less time blindly running around looking for them. It's still fair because the hunters would have trouble getting to the runner's location before the runner leaves
@@azeTrom17 but he does tell them when he gets abilities?
I like the honor rule for loading zone shenanigans too, though also funny seeing fire accidentally losing hunters that way
@@jacobkerner2593 he only tells them when he gets movement abilities like claw or dash so they can unlock them at the same time
Not stuff like dreamnail, tram pass, shade soul, etc.
I think it'd be much better if he started telling them each time he got an ability or ability upgrade, to make up for the fact that the hunters don't have lifelines anymore and can't fast travel, making it crazy hard to find him. Revealing when he gets an ability tells them where on the map he is, giving them an idea of where he may be going next, but it isn't too good for the hunters bc it will take them time to get over there and he'll be gone by the time they arrive.
It just seemed like the hunters deserved a bit more info.
@@azeTrom17but then theres nothing the ginger can do to try and be sneaky about things at least not for long periods. One of my favourite manhunts is the one where the hunters were all guarding a dreamer he had already gotten and he just typed done and they assumed he had one to two dreamers remaining still
I really like the healing restriction. I think benches were a little overpowered in past iterations. More resourcefullness is required now that benches don't heal everything.
Estoy de acuerdo con el desconocido
Yeah, this is great, but the lack of time limit, while on its own great, makes it possible to just infinitely stall and get all the upgrades in the game. I feel like hunters should be able to fight bosses for some of the charms, that way they have another goal while waiting for the speedrunner to show themselves (so they are not so bored), while also providing much more natural "time limit" in the sense, that if speedrunner takes their time, the hunters are gonna grow stronger
@@matissimoj1190 I like this idea! It'd have to be limited in some way, but the hunters having more "freedom" is a great concept
@@matissimoj1190 another fun iteration of this would be hunters _also_ starting on new save files, and they can grow on the same time as the hunter. sure, the speedrunner could stall for upgrades, but if they let the hunter get too strong as well, it'll, as you say, act as a more natural time limit, as dealing with players having equipment just as strong as you is bound to make completing a boss or two impossible
EDIT: making the Hunters have maxed out nail would be ideal though, as to actually give them an edge, make them have more of an edge against the speedrunner and make it all fair
@@Brainth1780 yeah, I believe that some charms should be banned for hunters, like for example the spore shroom. If they all got the spore shroom, they would just heal in the hollow knight fight, killing the speedrunner.
Watching this, I realized that, as far as I can recall, I've never actually seen Gruz Mother being fought _after_ triggering Infected Crossroads.
Imagine if the game accounted for that, and turned her into a tougher, infected version like all the regular enemies 👀
I mean it's gruz mother even on radiant it's not hard
@@manchick7648ive never actually beaten her on radiant ive done the mantis lord even grimm but for some reason my brain just doesnt work with that boss
@@Blaze-xe8cl I agree, I had a lot of trouble beating her on radiant, mostly because of the spikes. Not even close to Pure Vessel or NKG, but still around the level of some dream warriors I'd say
maybe if the infection turned some of the floor into infection spikes like the ascended arena
@@Blaze-xe8clsame, they problaby intended to make it equally difficult to other bosses, but adding platforms in the gruz mother fight and literaly *adding a second vengefly king* , made those bosses really difficult
That tram pass was the play, that really threw them off when you needed it.
I absolutely LOVE this, it feels much more fun and more like what a manhunt should be.
Same!
I love how the hunters slowly decended into madness trying to find you
This is a fantastic new format. Super tense and incredibly well played fire!
Agreed
thanks Blue!!
Who else wants to see true ending with hunters?
I don't know if the entirety of white palace is possible with several hunters swinging at you@@user-mm9rs5ss3u
@@fireb0rn honestly I'm curious what else ur gonna do now u start 2 v 1 almost no real restrictions to this what's next steel soul 1v6 with a like 3h time limit
I like this version a lot. No time limit but with steel soul means being able to do a lot more different things for your loadout that you wouldn't otherwise go for because of the time limit.
Means speedrunner can punish all of the hunters just camping one dreamer/thk too. unfortunately it means late game speedrunner can just farm upgrades (fireborn couldve just gone for 112% while the hunters struggle to do anything about it) so i think itd be really interesting if hunters were more easily able to track speedrunner down esp. in the late game
love to see the speed runner vs hunters come back!! just wanted you to be aware that better help has pretty much no certification requirements to be a therapist with them. many people have come out about unhelpful, counterproductive, and traumatic experiences with them. i really don’t wanna come of like i’m criticizing or anything just wanted to spread awareness cuz a lot of people don’t know.
Yeah, i was so pumped to see this video, but disappointed in the sponsor. I hope fire doesn’t work with them in the future bc i like his content, but betterhelp is super shady :(
seconding. goes to show even good youtubers don't really screen sponsors, just skip every time
Good info to know, wanting to help spread info of therapists is great though it sucks that the person who sponsored happened to be on the shady side
That was such a fun run! I really like this twist on things, I always felt like the timer made the end game very similar every time. With no timer you get to be a lot more creative, but the stakes are higher because of steel soul.
yeah this way it ends with the first HK fight no matter what and the leadup to it isn't a bunch of other HK fights
This series just keeps getting better. The stag ban makes the game MUCH more balanced for both parties. I would like to see you try a hybrid without SS and with a timer, just to see what it is like (mby not for upload). Keep it up!
I liked the changes, and having no time limit allows you to be more creative with your choices. However, I feel like after getting claw you have so many options of where to go and since the hunters don't know where you are, you could be getting extermely powerful upgrades while they are forces to guard the dreamers. I think that re-adding life lines is a good idea, maybe instead of doing it one per hunter you can have it so they can use it once every 15 minutes so they don't run out. Also, this might be a bit out there but I think it could be an interesting idea to allow hunters to get certain upgrades in order to give them more things to do than aimlessly search for you or wait for you at a ceration point. This will also ensure that you can't get to powerful that the hunters have no chance in defeating you
Would be cool if hunters were able to place traps. Just to notify them if runner gets through. Because every run Fire jukes hunters in early game and then its gg :) Might also be interesting to see true ending version. Not sure how much harder for Fire it will be tho.
Anyway, cool variation! Rules getting better and better every time :)
Can you imagine the white palace.
fire would defo do path of pain juke
@@dovahkiin53839 everyone getting knockbacked into sawblades...
Not possible
If you mean regular rad hed have to dreamnail and they just wouldnt let him
Funny how I am rooting for Fire to win, except when I am hunting him
I love how he when he accidentally jukes them he reveals his position, absolute gigachad move.
Best way to handle it with steelsoul, it even feels like you could become invisible to them if you route in a certain way, and I love that concept in a manhunt, especially with balancing it with healing and transport restrictions
i love this new ruleset the only problem i feel like is that the hunters get no info and its really hard to stop objectives from happening
Yeah I feel like the hunters should get a notif if he beats a boss. That way they know his last known location.
@@nekotorin I wonder if it would be possible to make a mod that automatically notifies the hunters of certain things, but on a 60-second delay. Like you pick up Dream Nail, and the hunters get told about it 1 minute later. That way the runner doesn't have to manually stop and tell them + they have a grace period to get away from the location, but you could increase the number of things the hunters are told.
Seeing you get Monarch Wings really makes me want to see a true ending speedrun vs hunters
radiance with hunters would be awful but it would be interesting to see more of the map be explored than just the rooms necessary to beat the game and it would open up options later on more
These new rules were so refreshing! It felt very close a lot of times, and the single life makes those tense moments even tenser!
Another speedrunner vs hunter I can rewatch over and over
This is so boring
I really like the change to the rules. One of my favorite manhunts! I will say I still like a timer, probably a pretty long generous one, just to make sure the runner can’t just outscale. I feel like there was a point in the mid game where fire could’ve just gone for many notches and a better setup. In the lategame the runner outscales in an unfun way with no timer, and as the runner it might suck to choose between the winning play and the fun play.
As a follow up, I actually kind of like the minecraft manhunt style where hunters can either 1)gear up or 2)go after the runner. So maybe no timer, but nerf the hunters early game but let them gear up as well? Also means they have to get dash, claw, wings, etc. but they have to choose between rushing those or hunting the runner. Might want less hunters to balance this a bit more.
Maybe a timer could start after so many upgrades? Like, if you only get things that are strictly necessary for a run (claw, dreamers, that kind of thing), you get no timer, but after so many 'extra' upgrades (up to a certain amount first. Just getting wings or an extra mask only shouldn't punish u), a timer starts?
@@Raina111111you could use the percentage system to track this, making it more costly to get stuff like charms so you have to “ration” your %
I really liked not having a timer. I do wonder if replacing the timer with hunters getting upgrades after X amount of time has passed makes sense. So the longer it takes, the more powerful they get too. Loved getting to watch this!
i like this! it also fits thematically with the hunters having the goal of stalling out speedrunner
29:48 wow that was some fluent and clean wallcling storage!
getting the tram pass that early was genius, threw them off big time no one could've guessed it lol, was absolutely terrified at Uumuu
You shouldnt have taken that better help bag, no one forget how they were a couple years ago
The fact that he has unlimited time makes it actually 10x better as it gives him the opportunity to use such interesting strategies
Literally the proof why people call fireborn "The God Gamer!!"
I feel like he calls himself that more than anyone else but your point still stands
yeah, it's self-proclaimed, but appropriate nonetheless.
Great game, fire! Had a ton of fun watching this, amazing vid as always! Really hope you do more of these in the future!
Given how many times you got down to 1 hp and how many other close calls there were, this ruleset seems super balanced and super fun
Your background music choice is absolutely phenomenal! Always the perfect track for every moment, notably the Sonic 06 tracks are all so brilliantly chosen per situation!
My favorite parts were when someone would do an accurate callout to your destination and the others would always no. Great video as always
I just want to say how much I love this batch of hunters! Especially whoever played as little Hornet-- "Oh, he's here!" after Fire hits him XD The vibes were great and I hope you play with them again soon!
This was so cool and I am BEGGING you to get another one of these out this month. We finally get to see you incorporating more of the items you can come across in the game with this time limitless challenge! I'd love to see you use more relics and nail arts here, and it was really just awesome seeing you switch things up to THIS degree. The HP total you had was INSANE fire
I'd love to see a manhunt with the room randomizer
I really like this format! It feels much more faithful to what "speedrunner vs hunters" should be. I especially enjoyed the feeling of being a "final boss" where you become stronger than them and can finally 1v4 to win the final fight! It certainly needs some balancing, but it has so much potential!
I love the notes you make in the video that explains your thought process, best part of these manhunts!
Loved how you keep tweaking the ruleset to try out interesting things! One thing I haven't seen suggested, would it be reasonable to move the hunter respawn to Dirtmouth now that hunters don't have fast travel? Might be OP for HK, but it seems that hunter respawns are now incredibly punishing. (Note: this would have to take effect after the hunters make it to Dirtmouth for the first time)
these videos with speedrunner subtitles are so fantastic because im always curious what youre up to and usually not really sure unless you write it up like that. i know it takes a lot of work but its just great to watchd
DUDE I knew this was coming eventually, so excited to watch
Always love these speedrunner vs hunters videos! One of my favorite "series" on youtube!
This is the first time i such a video, and im in love with the concept, adding new challenges to hk speedruns, also having others in there and hearing them wonder where you are, i love it ^^
I was JUST thinking I wanted another one of these!
Good work!
I really like the challenge that comes with this new game mode! It's a big change from the other speedrunner vs. hunters. I wonder what would happen with five hunters...
This is one of the best videos that I've ever watched from your channel, I hope you continue this series
Ooo this might be my favorite iteration of speedrunner vs. hunters yet! No timer means that the hunters have to be more aggressive with their plays, but the lack of fast travel means that they really have to make those plays count! It makes it so their goal isn’t just to slow you down until the timer runs out, but to actually kill your before you kill them, because a death for the hunter is SO detrimental. Plus, having the hunted play on steel soul automatically adds a lot of stakes and tension.
Great video!
Great video as always. This gives me an idea of some sort of battle royale, a race where everyone tries to get true ending while messing with each other, and the winner is whoever beats radiance first.
And just as I started liking hollow knight manhunts and was sad that you don’t post them anymore, YOU DID ONE!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH
Love this format!!!
Appreciate you continuing to rework this to see what works and what doesn't.
Taking out the time limit may be my favorite change.
I'm so happy to see this, it's been a bit but this is literally my favorite series on RUclips!!!! GGs and I can't wait to see new ones!!!!!!!!
That was incredible to watch! Thank you. Would love to watch another steel soul episode
Congrats dude! That's impressive!
This ruleset sounds so much fun! Do more of these!
Having only one life makes this so much more intense and I'm all for it. Outstanding video as always fire!
I've been waiting for Another run, thanks for uploading 🙏
another banger!!! love the speedrunner vs hunter videos :D
that is by far one of the most fun speedruns I've seen so far
I never thought this series could evolve so much, this feels so fresh and new, and forced to be more resourceful
I really liked this ruleset, I liked seeing how you played around it, along with the different route thsn usual.
The usage of spore shroom ask a sort of “trap” to set so the hunters couldn’t directly attack you right after healing was something I didn’t think of before
early tram was absolutely insane, I didn't even realize that was a path you could take to get to city, and clearly the hunters did not expect it either. Out of Curiosity, what were the reactions of the hunters once they watched your pov and realized you got tram?
My first playthrough that was the only way I could figure out how to get into city lol, it's so cool how they have so many ways to get almost everywhere
i've just watched every speedrunner vs hunter and i honestly think this is my favourite version of the rulesets, it's v fun to watch :D
29:27 that was the sickest evade/movement wow
I think a good balancing act with no fast travel is to have like 3-4 set spawn locations across the map that the hunters can choose to respawn in instead of just King's Pass, like a random bench in each quadrant of the map
Lost how this challenge is basically just, "Hey you know all those handicaps in place to make it this fair for the speedrunner against 4 other people?"
"Yeah?"
"Get rid of em."
Really think you should do something like a boss target speedrun before going after HK. Would get some nice variety in strategy if you had to reach bosses like Hive Knight and Fluke.
Fire's voice is so gentle and relaxing, I just put on the multiplayer playlist to play in the background while doing my college work and it is bliss xD
gg man. that was awesome. you're making me consider getting into speedrunning hollow knight
Watching this in reverse order, and I'm glad you stopped worrying about losing the hunters in loading transitions. Juking them out is part of the fun >:)
13:24 You think this scares me? Sisters of Battle is my favorite boss fight. ~Fire, probably
Also Fire‘s route is so radically different from all other Speedrunner vs Hunters and I love it so much. You really can’t anticipate his next move. This is so much more tense
Definitely the best iteration of the Runner Vs Hunters!
This was pretty sick man
This was a super fun version of Speedrunners vs Hunters! :D
This was definitely one of my favorite man hunts so far. What's nice about this format is you are able to try a variety of routes allowing for much more strategy on both sides. It slso means you can up the power of hunters with less repercussions when trying to find the right balance since you don't have the time restrictions barring you from good builds. I'd say spore shroom is a little good in general, but I don't think it's too good. Can't wait to see what route you have next.
Wow this new ruleset sounds super exciting. Really pumped to watch!
I love the music choice throughout the video.
Ah, the newest episode of my favorite series!
The new rules are great. It really showcased how vast Hallownest is and how many routes you could take to get places.
The fact that while Fire was at Herrah all hunters pretty much understood that he might be there but decided "Nah, fuck the Deepnest" and just sat at watchers anyway is hilarious
Been waiting for another one!
loved seeing the movement in this one
I like this version immensely more than the old ruleset (which is saying something because I love those vids too). I agree with most of the other comments here: no stags makes the maneuvering and pathing so much more fun to watch, the steel soul rule makes the fights seem more tense and makes getting a good build more important, the lack of time limit allows for more creative and roundabout strategies, and it seemed like the hunters were playing more cautiously as well because of how much of a setback the respawn distance is.
I think upgrading the hunter's nails is definitely a good idea for next time though, I imagine those enemies were getting very annoying.
I'm falling In love with these kinds of videos!
They're so much fun to watch and keeps me on edge every time they're all in one room 😊👍.
Is that why comments like yours are so boring? You proved how Boring this is.
"all men can see whereby I conquer, but what none can see, is the strategy out of which victory is evolved"
-fireb0rn 2023
This was fun!! I think the decisions made for rebalancing were absolutely correct, a new hint system does seem like a smart idea though. It's good that you CAN lose them, but it's less great that they spend such large swaths of time staying lost. It was very funny to hear them theorizing "he's probably at xyz spot" while you were standing in xyz spot, though XD
I LOVE when you do these videos. They are the best kind of content to watch you do! That said, if you had the time, which there was no issue. Why not power up with more nail upgrades, you were close to Pale Ore a few times, or even nail strikes. Knowing they would not abandon the Black egg, you could have geared up alot to make it harder for them
I love it when you do speed runner vs hunters ❤
Bro I thing that was the best video of hunters I have ever seen, the steel soul and no stag was a BIG BIG idea
This new format is golden, the time limit never was a thing I liked for it restrict a lot on what you could do before having to rush to HK. Cutting the benches also made things more nail biting.
loving how tiso was just standing in dirtmouth watching them like- "wtf is going on??"
An interesting idea i had (i have 0 idea on if this can even be implemented) is the runner can freely use stags, BUT any stag useage is announed to the hunters then the hunters can use that stag as much as they want, but only that stag, and the next time a runner uses a different stag now that stag is the one hunters can use. example is runner uses greenpath stag back to crossroads, now the hunters know that and can freely use any stag to get to crossroads stag at any time but only TO crossroads, until the runner uses another stag to get to kings station, now the hunters lose corssroads stag but gain kings station.
I love hunters vs speedrunner in every game but in hollow knight man... THATS EVEN BETTER🎉
I always love to watch these
I love these Vs Hunter vids. The silent commentary showing what your thought process is overlayed on top of everyone else's thoughts on what might be doing next is great too.
One of my favorite videos of yours, that was amazing
Thank you for explaining why you grabbed dream shield, I was worried you might actually use it
36:55 I respect the hornet model player for trying that. Illusion 100
Bro really went for that "domain expansion" charm build...
"phone call"
"What ability is that?"
Had me ☠️
Love how there was that one guy that was like “dreamgate wouldn’t be fair” it’s literally a 4v1
PLEASE do more speedruner runs, they are soo gud