There's lots of good games, emulation is better than ever to play old games, the indie scene is fantastic, and steam has AAA games on sale regularly. You are just too old or boring to care. This is the best year for metroidvania, rpg, and fighting games. Fps has dozens of contenders and rpgs like sea of stars, Zelda, baldursrs gate, and final fantasy. It's not them; it's you.
Because the perfect gpu at the time is the Rx 6700xt the only one with high VRAM, fast and affordable. It is a disgrace what's going on with the new gpu releases in both brands. Also most new games that are worth playing run well in old generation because they are also being launched for ps4
Another thing you haven't mentioned is that new AAA games becoming more demanding and less optimized has caused more people to roll back to less demanding indie titles.
@@roqeyt3566Or by the least old low tier graphics cards. There are still some indie titles that require a slight gpu muscle, but still not as much as AAAs.
This. I expect games to run 144Hz at 1440p, if they don’t I’ll play games that will and wait for optimizations, if my hardware is capable of it I won’t waste time with games that aren’t.
I think Doom 2016 was the last title that actually cared about optimization. Like, actually put a lot of time and effort into making it run well across a vast spectrum of machines at release (and even on linux, huh). They knew it was a demanding game, and they knew they had to optimize it well for it to sell well. And they nailed it, just like they crushed the apprehension about it actually being a good game and not another Duke Nukem disaster remake.
Can definitely speak from my perspective - I can't afford a GPU that costs more than $350, and it feels like either I'm being priced out of this market entirely, or I'm getting scraps and leftovers. The only launch that's been interesting and affordable to me is the 7600 XT, and that's a terrible bodged together monstrosity with a 128 bit bus and 16GB in clamshell configuration. It's just not worth upgrading. And honestly? The games aren't worth it either, most AAA games that are coming out are a waste of time of money AND need NASA hardware to run. I've been playing Tekken 8 at 1080p on my 6650 XT and that's been a blast, that's really what modern titles should be aiming for, but most UE5 games are unoptimized garbage. Here's hoping game optimization gets better, or GPU prices get better. I know most people care about GPU value, most can afford to buy in the $500 to $600 range, but I really want to see a healthier entry level market with good $200, $250, $300 and $350 options for normies. Because otherwise what's the point?
i totally agree, i got so angry at this shit that i told myself ill never buy not used gpu, actually i spent like 10$ on my build by getting worse condition parts and repairing them (and finding i7 3770 with gigabyte card in scrapped pc). Just got rx 570 i custom made airflow so i can overclock the shit out of it, got it to 1500 Mhz and 2150 Mhz memory speed and gpu doesnt ever go over 60 degrees. Everywhere is hope man and tbh It gives you so much satisfaction when you can play cyberpunk 2077 on 60 fps on 10$ pc
thing that cost me the most was roccat kone emp mouse for 4$ with a doubleclick. And if someone want to say that switches for this mouse cost something i didnt buy a switch i repaired old one XDDD
I've been working in IT for over 20 years. I've been building my own PCs for longer than that. I see no value in any of the current gen cards that cost more than my PS5. The market is in need of a correction. Prices must come back down to earth to make PC gaming worthy of my attention again. Right now I primarily play on console.
Not only gpu'ss, but also motherboards and cpu's. It's ridiculous. You used to be able to buy a lower middleclass motherboard for like 100 bucks. Good luck finding anything that isn't absolute barebones in that price range today.
It's called a paradigm shift. The future of GPUs is not gaming. It's things like AI and HPC. And a similar thing is happening to the PC market in general. Mobile devices, smart TVs, and gaming consoles are taking over the home computing market. For most people those devices can serve their computing needs just as well, if not better. That means the PC market is going to be mostly servers, and high end workstations. The home PC is dying.
@@stefanl5183 I think that you are correct, but I would modify the PC dying part by saying it is cyclical. I've gamed on PC's since the early 1980's and I've started building and modifying them in the early 1990's. Some years I dropped the PC and went console and other years I got excited about the latest PC tech and built a new computer. I just went through a new computer building phase during COVID, but the GPUs, or lack thereof, were the piece that made me not build the next version. COVID forced me to install older used GPUs and now I can't bring myself to spend the extra for a new card. Hopefully, the price to performance will come back down and I will build that next new computer. The future might be powerful newer mini PCs, but unless the GPU manufacturers get behind them, the GPU portion will be handled by the onboard CPUs.
@@deswill2737 yeah this dude is boomer tier... muh ps5 XD patheeeetttic... this whole comment senction is cringe and absolute midwits when it comes to building computers... a ps5 is 570 dollars an rtx 3070 is 619... so you save 50 dollars.. in this economy 50 bucks is nothing. I'm glad were moving back to a niche community. Maybe graphics cards reviews are going down because everyone wants iPads, PS(x), s(oy)witches. I cant wait for Windows to die so it's posix compatible systems or nothing, and the internet is only real nerds again.
They'll never make another 1080ti. I have it in my closet. Rocking a 3080 10gb. If my 3080 ever croaks and I can't RMA for whatever reason it's getting tossed back into my PC.
My one real problem is that these days, the best machine that you can build can not run all games at maxed out settings. Be it experimental graphics features, terrible optimization, driver issues... even if you fork out $3000, you would have no guarantee that you're set.
That used to be the norm before last gen; The highest settings were all future proofed. Crysis, for example, couldn't be maxed out for ages after it came out. Same for The Witcher 2.
That was the point of the latest game engines, Idtech and Unreal, that they pushed far to the future for the required performance to be able run everything max. That is something that changed when alternatives got out like Unity, that started to be very optimized for old generation resources in mind. And suddenly IdTech and Unreal were in same cart, optimizing everything for low end in mind. Farcry and Crysis were games that really pushed far to the future until someone found 10 years later "Hey, we can run all in max settings". Similar as with ARMA 2 and ARMA 3, that you needed 10 years on both to be able run them. It was huge boost for egoistic narcissist gamers to praise their superiority via expensive GPU prices...
When prices for everything skyrocketed I went from building outdated pcs with used parts I saved up for to barely surviving. Went from “I can’t wait to buy this gpu second hand” to “I can’t wait to buy food eventually.” Things are better now, but I found single board computers are a cheaper and more enjoyable hobby for me personally.
makes one appreciate devs that optimize their games to play well across a range of lower and middle spec pcs. AAA should be taking notes, but they only care about quantifiable figures of money, much to their detriment. They have no idea how much they leave on the table with their greedy practices, because not buying something is not a quantifiable piece of data. I think we have all watched mainstream gaming turn from entertainment into whale milk machines. Everything is meant to separate fools from more of their cash. It makes me appreciate old games before the greedy monetization schemes and nonexistent optimization. I already own enough good games to last me 2 lifetimes, and there are more too, for cheap cheap cheap. Older games are better, we're not missing anything other than feeling disrespected and made to be addicted, because that's what mainstream games are about now. It takes a Baldur's Gate 3 or a Palworld to come along and illuminate that fact every now and then, and the whole disgusting industry flips out about it and shows their ass every time. We are meant to pay more, to get less. Hard pass! Easy hard pass! Keep it retro!
My awakening was kind of watching some random German kid building a PC with kind of strange components when I was in full marketing, drunk hype beast benchmark mode. The kid was so pragmatic and just identified his use case and knew what components would be able to do the job that he required. It really started to make me think about things more from how an engineer would look at something and how identifying the use case is the most important part. We see this in shoes, clothes, camping equipment, bicycles, cars, televisions and we get kind of caught up in the marketing and buzz and excitement. On the opposite side of the games. Also pray on this mentality in our quest for quality despite the diminishing returns. I look at a lot of cars now I wonder why the cheap cars are so bad and it's just not a lot of effort being put into these things to be competitive and the common consumer is easily distracted with knick knacks and doodads. Consumers have made their claims of what they want with their dollars and so manufacturers have obliged. You can say consumers have been coerced with marketing, but at the end of the day we are a critical part of the ecosystem and are participants in crafting the modern marketplace.
yeah I remember the start and later peak of the GPU price gouging and bitcoin farming that empowered nVidia to officially stop giving any fucks. A lot of second hand retailers and repair shops in my area had two stark paths: one of shutting down to leave their passion and go work as bartenders and the other where they lucked out and some rich kid with a disconnected VGA cable was willing to play serious money for basic fixes as long as it happened rapidly and so that kept them afloat at least to us outside observers. Suits ruined gaming, film, GPU pricing and actually all entertainment as a whole.
Some years ago (before 2020) I essentially bought a whole new gaming rig for about 3000$. Now today when I look at what I’d like to buy for my next rig, the GPU alone costs about 2500$, ALONE. This is just insane!
Thats a you problem bro. You don’t need a $2500 dollar card if you’re just gaming. I paid $2000 for my entire build in 2018, and I paid $2000 just a week ago for a new build since my old one is on its last legs, and most of the parts are pretty high end and good enough to run the ever increasing demands of modern video-games
EDIT: many people have offered their old cards to me and honestly I feel so grateful, so lets keep those good spirits up and if you have a piece of hardware that you no longer use and you don't want to go through with the hassle of marketplace or whatever, go your local computer store and give them away to the people who may need them. I feel that, as consumers, but more importantly as enthusiasts of technology we have the duty to fight greedy companies by making sure that no old hardware goes to waste and everyone can keep the hobby alive and all that hippie bullshit. Anyways, thank you so much for the comments, and really, there's no need to keep offering stuff, look around you and maybe you can help someone with their setup. PC Master Community! ---- the other day my 7 year old msi 1050ti went a little wonky and I literally wanted to cry. I live in Chile and GPU's are SO. GOD. DAMMED. EXPENSIVE. That I literally would need to save money for like 10 months to a year on a minimum wage job to maybe MAYBE afford a used 1080ti
@@DaybreakPT dude, minimum wage is about 350 usd. The cheapest 3060 available in chile RIGHT NOW is 315 usd. if the available cash i can save is about 20 bucks a month id need about a year and a half to get it. which at that point is going to be a 5 year old card
Do you NEED to replace a dying 1050ti with an even older, probably soon to die 1080ti when you could get say a 4060 or AMD equivalent that will actually last you the next 7 years instead? Going 3 gens up is a MASSIVE jump in GPUs, a 3060ti is as powerful as a 1080ti was.
Yo también soy de Chile, y si, concuerdo, pero no es tanto así, he visto muchas tarjetas buenas (3060, rx6600, 2060s y 1660) bordando las 150 lucas, e incluso algunas que bordean las 100 (rx580 8gb) claro, usadas, pero aún así, siguen siendo tarjetas muy buenas
I bought my entire 2070 super, 2.5tb SSD, 16gb ram pc for $1000 a few years ago. Ain’t no way I’m spending the cost for my entire computer on a part. It’s insane how things have become and people just keep eating it up incentivizing this anti-consumer pricing to continue
I'm not paying over a thousand for a GPU, *any* GPU. They sell GPU's as if they're life saving medications and people have no choice but to buy them when they're nothing more then an accessory for a very niche hobby.
Right there with you, Vex. I'm normally a tech enthusiast and I love PC gaming, but I've been so disillusioned by the obscene, outrageous prices of graphics cards over the last three years. It's all but killed my enthusiasm for the hobby. We've jumped the shark when the price of one component costs more than the leading console. It's time to find a new hobby.
I agree, but remember that along with the high price comes killer performance. I remember forking over a small fortune for a GTX 1080 Ti, the top card at the time. I also remember the anticipation when I installed it and got the driver set up--woohoo! Oh yeah, one more thing: I remember the 'meh' feeling over its performance. At least I could say it was noticeably better than my previous 1070! Today, they're even more expensive but they DO have the performance to back it up. At least you know when you fork over a GRAND just for the privilege of wasting your time gaming, the performance will be as impressive as the price is annoying. Keep that in mind.
@@devilsoffspring5519 Absolutely not. The RTX 4090 is 25% faster than the 4080, and it's $800 more expensive. I myself also owned a GTX 1080 Ti (and the 980 Ti before it), so it's not like I'm new to the PC gaming hobby. If prices were at historical norms today, we would have an RTX 4080 Ti that was just a few percent slower than the RTX 4090 and costs $700-800 when accounting for inflation. You are out of your mind to suggest that the price increases are worth it today.
@@selohcin I didn't say they were 'worth it' though. If you want a top tier graphics card, the price is grossly out of proportion to the performance. It has been that way since I was a kid in the early to mid-1980s and first becoming aware of this stuff. If you want a new Ferrari it will cost a lot more than a used Ford. If you want to buy an F-35 fighter jet it will cost more money than a P-51 Mustang from the 1940s. The F-35 is 3 times faster, but costs 100 times more money than a P-51. It's a "flagship graphics card" of fighter jets. You people think you "deserve" a 4090 Ti for 200 bucks. It has been that way for 40 years.
@@devilsoffspring5519 You DID say it was worth it when you wrote "Today, they're even more expensive but they DO have the performance to back it up." Stop equivocating.
@@selohcin If you want the top of the line card it will be disproportionately expensive for the performance increase. It's the way it's always been, that's what I meant.
Repeat after me: I don't need to be on the bleeding edge. I don't need to run my games at ultra settings with rtx all the time. I don't need more than 120fps in my competitive games. I don't need 4k gaming. Repeat this every morning and stay away from temptation, my brothers.
As someone who fell out of gaming in spring of 2020 and now wants to get back in. It feels like a bad time due to the current refresh cycle. I have money now so I want to build a high end system. But I don’t want to pay high end pricing during the middle of the cycles: 7800X3D came out 9 months ago, AM5 platform still using 1st gen motherboards which I’ve always avoided, 7900XTX is 13 months old, and the RTX 4090 is 15 months old and still going above MSRP considerably. At this point I might just build a low end PC and sell it once new high end stuff is out. It’s just annoying unless you plan out your upgrades in advance or you don’t care about wasting money.
@@christopherfortineux6937 But console players do not have access to all of the mods available to PC users… I play Skyrim and PC mods to Console mods doesn’t even begin to compare or I would go that route until something breaks in the gpu World…
It's actually not a bad time. Prices are dropping on GPUs, and all other PC components are relatively inexpensive for the price. SSD prices have come up somewhat after being extremely low for the last few months of last year, but there are still lots of good prices for SSDs as well.
I have given up. I repasted my over 4 year old rx5700 which is kinda broken (only stable if I lower boost clock by 5% and windows uninstalls the drivers regularly) and will use it for the next 3 years to come.
Oof, that sucks and I get it, because of my budget I gotta constantly look at benchmark videos for the best possible value gpu because of how crazy prices fluctuate in the market, there's barely anything good out there
@@inawesome4162 But I kinda like my pc. I learned a lot due to the limitations and problems it brought. I wish you best luck and low graphic card prices.
Do you have your igpu forced in bios by any chance? I once forgot to disable it so windows kept updating drivers for igpu and uninstalling the dgpu one.
@@inawesome4162 sure there's nothing good, but if you have to upgrade there's nothing you can do than choose something. i also have an rx 5700 and it's not good for new games that come out. Lords of the Fallen 2 can barely get 60 fps on medium settings and when the fps drop kicks in it goes to the 30's. the fights in that game are terrible when the fps drops to the 30's. same goes for other newer games. most likely i'll upgrade to rx 7700xt. i would get the rx 7800xt, but here in EU it don't cost $500 but $600(out of budget). at $500 range, you get the rx 7700xt.
It's because the companies have been for almost a decade trying to convince gamers that photorealistic graphics=good game. It's not. So now you have got AAA companies focusing too much on making the game look photorealistic but at the cost of gameplay, story/narrative and art style. We now have too many games that look photorealistic. And now they all start to feel the same. There is no uniqueness. THere is no art style. It just feels like playing different games set in the same universe. The element of fiction is gone and people lose interest when you bring too much realism into escapism. To the point that games almost look like real life and it starts to feel more like a chore than fun.
I was truly excited when I purchased my first 20Mb Seagate HDD. I was thrilled when we upgraded from the green text monitor to VGA monitors and then to my first 14" color monitor. My face melted when I played Quake for the first time. I've not felt like that for decades now.. I started paying attention to GPU around GeForce series era starting 1999. Don't even remember the term "GPU" before that. I used NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2GB (still in working condition) from 2013 to 2018. Then I upgraded to ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 TI 11GB. Very very happy with it and have no intentions of upgrading for the next 10 years. I love my games but it doesn't need to run at "Ultra". While I appreciate the advancement in technology and other avenues of research high powered GPUs have opened up, I don't find myself being very excited about it.
It's unfortunate when I learned that throwing money and tech in the hopes of achieving consistent frame rate is actually dependent on the developer and how they have or haven't optimized their game.
I think a lot of people are beginning to understand the dread we've been feeling for awhile now. Neither AMD or Nvidia give a hoot about gaming any more. It's all this AI nonsense and that would be fine in any other market but this one where the barrier to entry is so insane because of legacy support that pretty much no one can even enter the market. When even Intel can't break into this market, there's no possibility for some underdog coming in and upsetting the big dogs that are getting lazy. It's not just that the situation sucks, it's that it looks very likely that it's never going to get better barring the AI mania being a bubble that pops and pops in a very ugly way as well.
It sucks that unlike the cryptocurrency craze, which evaporated when dedicated hardware took over, the demand for "AI" is dragging the companies into creating new kinds of hardware that caters to it. It's like they don't want to miss out on the pivot this time, even if it means leaving their previous audience behind.
@@dakat5131 In contrast to cryptocurrency you can do many useful things with AI (not saying, that people do useful things with AI :D ). But yeah, AI is the price driver. And as pro cards get more and more expensive, so do the gamer cards. AMD and NVIDIA are producing as much as possible pro Cards and fill the rest of their production contingent on gaming cards. Cards like the 4090 probably only exist and sell "that cheap", because of producing many not optimal A6000 dies. That's why NVLink had to go from these cards, as already many small companies or people use gaming cards for AI or HPC. RDNA3 and Ada Lovelace are really great and a huge step forwards technologically and energy efficency wise, but expensive. Not buying these cards as a gamer won't really hurt Nvidia or AMD in the short term. We just have to adapt somehow.
I think it's good, it'll force people to look at handhelds like the deck, which are epic. It's essentially a console that can play PC games. Increased deck adoption would push devs to build games that can play on it.
That's especially true for people that don't live in dollar based countries. $500 is a small fortune. In my country you'd have to work for at least 2 months on a minimum wage without spending money on anything else besides the GPU itself. Realistically, saving some of the wage to buy the graphics card would take about 6 months. It just doesn't make any sense outside of a very specific market, and unfortunately only 2 companies in the world make good GPUs at this point, which's a big part of the problem. IMO the only one worth getting right now is the RX 6600.
I think the biggest irony here is that during the 10 and 20 series Nvidea GPU's and AMD 5000 and 6000 series GPU's PC gaming got so good and so cheap that people started predicting the death of consoles. Consoles actually stepped up their quality a lot to compete both in game cost and in hardware, but when covid happened and prices spiked computer side consoles kept their 100% markup (seriously, you could have an xbox 360 for like 300$ including 1-3 games and 2 controllers, now a single xbox series X alone with one controller runs almost 600$) and won't go down because now even with their extreme markup there is little competition on the PC side. Nobody who isn't already into PC gaming wants to swap to it because the cost is just so ridiculously steep.
The 980 TI was the best. Still had it till last october and i played Elden Ring and The Witcher 3 Full HD max settings without any problem. It lasted me like nine years.
Basically, they saw that people were willing to pay scalper prices, so they decided to just sell more expensive GPUs and pretend it was a new generation.
I'm using an old laptop that still has a VGA output, i connected a descent high end CRT to it and i play old games like Half Life 2 at 1600 x 1200 67Hz or modern pixel art (640x480 baby) or 2D indies. I love CRT monitors and the lack of VGA on current gpus is actually a problem for me instead of being a blessing.
Performance uplifts are pretty much irrelevent to the customer; what really matters is better price / performance and current gen is pretty bad at that generally
Well the LTT video on the Super cards got low view numbers because it was super late and also quite bad (which isn't new for their videos, what is new is that people know about it ever since GN exposed them). But the big problem right now: The world is in some rough economic times, and in times like that "luxury" products like gaming hardware is not one of most people's priority.
That's why I am excited for only low and mid tier GPU releases, hoping we get some great value product... which almost never happens lol. Look at the 3050 6GB, it's like 3040 with a 169 USD price. No extra 6-pin but it ended being such a niche product.
At least it's a godsend thing for me though, my pc's psu can't handle even the arc A580 or rx 6600s or even 3060s, so that 3050 with no pcie power connector is a great sign for us slot in upgrade users. Arc A380 is not really powerful as the 1650 because of optimization issues, and many office pcs are actually midtower sized so it may ended up more popular than our assumptions made it to be lol
The thing is, GPUs are important for games that have super demanding graphics, and those are AAA games that nobody cares about anymore. Not even the devs themselves play AAA games these days.
Don't forger how modern GPUs haven't really improved the hardware as much as they suggest because their higher performance comes from drawing a fuckton more power than GPUs 5 years ago ever did. As opposed to improving the tech, they've mostly just cranked more watts into it. Feels like how Cell-Saga Trunks looked 'roided up as Super Trunks because he was trying to brute-force Super Saiyan 2 but failed to reach it.
I think the main reason for people not to care is a lot of those games we are getting that are supposed to wow us with their graphics are trash at release. the only thing we have to get excited about is to watch the benchmark number go up then you go back to playing AA single player where the graphics are stylized that does not use all that crap or multiplayer where you turn it off because it is objectively easier to see enemies with it off.
I have a rule. 10 years or 250%. If the speed is not more than double the speed for a similar or lower price. And/or have passed 10 years since I last updated my PC, No Update.
6950 XT was on sale for 549, it's the best deal I've seen in so long. Not just the performance but owning the top card in a generation without spending 4 figures has been amazing .
Issue is its AMD so it has a crap feature set. You are paying 550 for something that can't even do RT at all well and it's upscaling options are awful so equivilant Nvidia cards shit on it.
I've been using computers since the 1980's when I was just elementary-school aged child playing green and black screen games on five-inch floppy disk drives, and my latest tech purchase was a gaming mini-pc for less than 1000 without any archaic upgrade ports for old-fashioned gpu cards. Hell, when I got an Xbox X and played it for the first time, and saw someone examine its guts online, I took a look at my last pc gaming rig from 2015 which was struggling, and the other big tech bricks in my closet, and thought, you know, I don't really need anything remotely like this anymore, ever again, and so I spent a lot of time looking at notebook/tablets and mini-pcs. I went ahead and got a mini-pc because high-end tablets are still pricy, and I'm not thinking my mini-pc is 'high-end'--but the reality is the real performance bottlenecks for any resolution less than 4k at this point are in the software not the hardware, and I don't have a 4k TV hooked up to my pc, so I don't really need 120-200fps at 4k resolution for anything. What's the point of taking a modern pc with perfectly good onboard cpu, gpu's that are perfectly circuited to a massive SSD drive and an ample current gen DDR memory set and just throwing a comparable stand-alone gpu-card in it for twice the money? Especially when that onboard system has a hdmi out, built in wireless and bluetooth... what are you actually upgrading when you put extra shit in the upgrade slots for double the cost. All those upgrade cards actually made sense during major tech-transitions, especially when pc's were 2000, to 5000 brand new, because they were future proofing, and saving money on a new rig. And it probably made since again for the VR guys with that early-gen VR gear being tethered to a pc. But the tether sure as hell isn't going to last long with that tech, if it isn't already over with. I can't put one of these cards into my current gaming pc because it is a mini-pc now, but even if I could, I'd be trading 50 to 100 microwatts of energy usuage for hundreds of kilowatts of energy usage for barely perceptible performance increases, because the mini-pcs essentially have the mobile-tech in them--which is good enough for gaming, hell it's good enough for bombing tanks with drones. Good enough for most things these days actually. You could sync to robotics (they call them drones these days), 3d printers, and smart powertools and musical production gear with a lot of new devices right out of the box. You can stream everything you could possibly want. Play thousands of games on steam. Without modding, without upgrading, without freezing up, all for less than 1000 bucks. I think the apathy and/or angst with gpu cards is over how archaric and obsolete the ATX and ATX mini architecture is becoming, how redundant it is, and how expensive it is to both buy and run, and for what? Unless someone has multiple 4k screens all snyced up for panaramic simulator level visuals, with heavily modified commercial or military-sim grade software for training or extreme hobby purposes, they don't really need the latest and greatest graphic cards with 3 or 4 cooling fans, because all the basic bitch games are tailored to and benchmarked to the current console generation, and they can run with the standard micro-chipsets that are just built-in. The musical equipment I've bought, and looking to purchase basically has built in computers with touch-screens in them. The tech has become ubiquitous. It's in everything. And it absolutely doesn't have to form itself to big box atx-architecture anymore. Unless you're still buying barebone motherboard kits that need absolutely everything plugged into them.
I'd argue that things got "boring" when the 30xx series prices were announced. You say they were great cards, and that's fine, but prices were through the roof (especially during the pandemic & another crypto boom). Nvidia's flagship cards used to stay in the same pricing tier every generation, but then the 20xx series came out & bumped up prices across the board. Then they marked it up even more with the 30xx series, and yet again for the 40xx series. Now that people see where this is going, and Nvidia sees they can get away with it, general consumers stopped caring. We're priced out. The xx80's and xx90's are reserved for the biggest enthusiasts, so now the xx70's are the only "affordable" option for "high end" (lots of "quotes" because it's all so relative).
There are also PC gamers who are saving up for new upgrades to components, who get torn between, getting getting what is perceived to be good value now vs buying early in the new generation of hardware to extend the shelf life of their systems… I get the point of only buying good value, but when the new new comes out, we all want VR in 99k😂
It felt like a lot of production effort went into this video. Thanks, it was entertaining. I do hope that RDNA 4 having no high-end dies means AMD will be forced to be very aggressive on pricing for the RX 8000 Series in an effort to maintain / grow brand power - but I have 0% "hype" for that hope because frankly, it's often the case that these companies are so balls deep into what the data and market research says about how they should price their products that they can no longer see the forest for the trees and have forgotten the power and financial rewards of astounding their target market. You can take Palworld as an example for that. Those devs owe a large portion of their financial success to the very wise decision to sell the game at 1/4th to 1/5th of the price of most new AAA micro-transaction ridden games. "Astounding value" just translates into "ineffectively priced" in accounting speak in big tech. And that's what I now think of when I think of the Big RGB Three - accountants. Woooo... yay... line go up for corpo... Bold moves are dead. Publicly traded companies are ruled by short term results.
If leaks are to be believed the 8000 series will max out with the 8800 XT which will deliver 7900 XT-ish performance at 400-600 dollars. Not too exciting considering the 7900 XT is already at 700 dollars right now but maybe the lower end stuff will surprise us.
@@lennartj.8072 An 8800 XT for $399 would be a smash hit if it had the same amount of VRAM as the 7900 XT. Or an RX 8600 12GB for $220. There are lots of options, essentially all AMD has to do is duplicate one of Hardware Unboxed's reviews and use the cost per frame data to set MSRPs so that the value is top of the pack by a substantial margin.
One of the major problems with these graphics cards and PC’s is they are often getting more performance by using more power. In a world where the heating is getting expensive for people to keep on. Building computers that use as much power as a bar on an electric heater seems dumb. The graphic doesn’t just need to be better value for money, they also need to be MUCH better value per-watt. Apple are pointing in the right direction per-watt but needing a mortgage to buy an unrepairable computer that no games are made for is it’s self a problem.
Asus TUF 4070 Ti Super costs $1440 in my country. I bought a 4070 a few months ago, the dual OC version from Asus, and I paid $720 for it. I thought i would be able to upgrade to a 4070 ti super, but these prices are insane. Keep in mind that im from Romania, a much poorer country based on gdp and minimum salary.
For me the following ruined GPUs for me (1) Price to performance - as stated in the video it's hard to get excited over a new release when it is priced much higher than its previous generation and the performance increase is marginal. (2) Mining and scalpers - I'm not mad at miners. I'm mad at scalpers who buy out stocks of GPUs when mining currency spikes and resell them at mind boggling prices. I remember when gamers had to get bots to monitor reseller inventory and buy a card. Mind you the price was still terrible and people were getting what they could get not what they actually wanted. I don't look forward to the next time this comes around again. It already happened twice now. (3) Gaming isn't that great anymore - maybe it's just me looking back with rose colored glasses. But back when 1080ti was launch games were still bangers and didn't ask for more money. Games came out the works mostly finished and not half-baked. Developers actually tried to make good games and not cash grabs. I've been gaming on my 970 because I can play on the games I like with it. AAA games coming out now are not great. Developers are taking the flop now succeed later with updates approach that doesn't work. We have Indie titles beating out AAA titles; thats crazy. Look at Rust and look at Anthem and Battlefield 2024. It's something out of a comedy. I'm in the process of getting a new card just now because I need one to play Helldivers 2. Because it's actually worth buying a new card for me. For others it's other games. But that's what it boils down to. If games generally suck people are less likely to play games. When people don't play games they don't need video cards for gaming. Maybe NVIDIA saw this and jumped ship to AI. 🤷
Why is nobody mentioning the rampant inflation as the root cause of this? USA had printed a lot of dollars in the last few years. $500 in 2024 is equivalent of $300 pre-covid. That's why your new good value card is in $500 range. Forget about $300 prices forever
First of all I'm pretty sure you're wildly exaggerating those numbers, second the root causw of this is the gold rush for crypto first and now AI, since GPU compute power is needed in droves for both
Why should I bother? My RTX 3060 TI runs Cyberpunk on Ultra on 1080p. The next step would be buying a new monitor, an expensive GPU, and a new CPU to properly take advantage of the new GPU. All that for enhanced visuals that barely change the overall experience once immersed in the game.
Ever since half life alyx launched in 2020 and I got my rtx 2060 I've never felt like I'll need to upgrade my gpu in the coming years. How do I know? I might have a 1080p monitor but I just bought both Tekken 8 and Persona 3 Reload and they both work amazingly with almost no tweaks (despite Tekken 8's recommends at least RTX 2070). And you might say I didn't pick demanding games but I don't play games to crunch numbers, I leave that to work.
People are not caring because Nvidia and AMD have kept their prices high after the crypto boom and bust, they still seem to think gamers are willing to pay a ridiculous price for a GPU. We're gamers, not miners.
They sort of are in Europe tho; the 4070 Super and the 4070Ti Super both got sold out very easily in a bunch of countries here (not sure about ALL of them but from what I read, people pay big money for the new gpus - and they're even more expensive here than in the US, like a 4070 ti super was $830 converted where I live, NOT AT ALL $600)
Yet people still keep buying them or companies (sadly can't win against that) otherwise they wouldn't cost as much right now while we speak, we don't see a massive discounts happening. Somebody is still willing to pay this much.
@@Zaefnyr Moore's Law is Dead has reported that the Super series was released in small numbers, especially the 4070Ti Super. Selling out in this volume is not impressive.
Nowadays it's hard to get your hands on a 4090. The recent AI fad means that they sell like hotcakes. Which is ridiculous considering that it's a $2000+ GPU in most markets. I'm interested to see what happens when the AI bubble bursts. Are we gonna get 4090s for dirt cheap when the crappy companies die off?
People stopped caring cause the prices went off the roof. Sub 700$ there's basically nothing you couldn't get similar performance on last generation cards for about similar amount of money. And sub 500$ is even worse. Just adding more vram doesnt make a card worth buying if the raster performance is within margin of error from last gen
Are you stupid???😂😂😂 Or you thing that 3090ti is really last generation or flagship of 30 series??? The true flagships of 30 series where 3090 and 3080, 3090ti was added in the last month! Of 30 series! You have 4070, 4070 super that beat 3080, and 4070 super is like 3090. 4070ti and 4070ti super beats even that fake flagship of 30 series the 3090ti, and 4080 and 4080 super is 25%-30% batter than 3090ti(again the fake flagship of 30 series), 4090 is 60% better than 3090ti(again the fake flagship of last generation). It's a legendary generation.
Well the PS5 is kinda below average now being that most games struggle at even doing 4k not just 60fps. So these so called mid range gpus are actually way better than a PS5 which is like two generations old in graphics performance. The 4070 super is waaaaaaaay better than a PS5, hell it would be awesome if the PS5 had something similar to a 4070 super in it.
@@ghstbstr Windows games no longer look better on an RTX XX70 card than they do on a ps5, and i have a 3090 (which is a tad bit better than a 4070). No one games at 4K (it's a thoroughly stupid idea on any display smaller than ~40") and steam hardware stats demonstrate that (3.78%)
@@ghstbstr Yep, when a Nvidia 60 series card like the 4060 beats out the PS5, then you've gotta ask can a PS5 even judged as being equivalent to a mid-range GPU anymore. I'd now call the PS5 as being equal to a upper budget range GPU at best. TBH, at launch it was judged as being equivalent to a mid to lower mid-range GPU, so it's no surprise that it's slipped down the stack a fair bit during that time. Also a 4060, 6700 and 6700XT will all beat out the PS5 in most scenarios and all of them can be picked up for $330 or under. Which is not exactly more costly than a PS5.
@@BOZ_11 Most PS5 games use a mix of medium or high graphic settings, whilst a PC can go full hog and use Ultra settings across the board. Admittedly, it's not as huge a leap as it used to be in the past, simply because we've now reached a point of "realism" in games, where any improvements are just harder to make out and only look more minor. The closer that graphics get to looking realistic, then the less noticeable any improvements to them will become. However, one bonus to having more powerful GPU's on PC, is the higher frame rates and higher resolutions that they bring. Let's face it, the consoles are only mid cycle on their generation and we are already seeing several games on them now running in resolutions below 1440p (down to 720p at times) and frame rates capped at 30fps. On PC, pretty much only the most strapped for cash PC gamer or those with a PC Handheld would even put up with playing games in 30fps, these days.
The GPUs are only one side of the problem. I personally hate that games are becoming more demanding without looking significantly better than games that are 5-10 years old at this point. For example the comparison between Suicide Squad and Arkham Knight really showed that some studios are even going backwards in their graphics quality, while the system requirements are still going higher.
Its because they replaced all the genius coders with various woke idiots that can barely code but as everyone is equally idiotic they don't see the problems. Its so hard to find the old school genius coders who lived for it, now you have most people just doing it as a job with no passion because they think they will get rich. Also gaming has become a factory for making money and nothing else, so you do see people trying new things when they can just churn out call of duty 35 and the idiots buy this garbage up. When is the last time a game like Thief 1 and 2 came out that were amazing. I just started playing starfield and its just boring and empty, its garbage.
@@mrmm1110 optimization is a thing of the past, the ya gotta pay to play thing is obvious with games but the lack of 'optimization' on the gpu and games sides are more glaring than that now aday.. nothing hurts more than knowing you dropped $1000+usd on a gpu(which struggled with driver issues for over a year to perform proper in VR while being touted as a flagship card!!$#~! *cough* 7900xtx *cough* 🤦♂ ) to find out it's struggling with games more so because of optimization.. its almost like after the rx580/gtx1080ti(2017) days we've been buying an unfinished product for too much money with bandaid fixes or shell out and buy the next generation flagship to get the BS we're promised.(*WHICH DOESNT HAPPEN LOL*)
@@ATomRileyAI thought it was just me, as a 38 year old I’ve seen it all in gaming. Almost all games that come out now bore the ever living crap out of me. I think I’ve become Jaded knowing how far the gaming industry has fallen. I used to wish for the days it would stop being nerdy and be more mainstream. Now I wish it was niche again and every e girl on the planet wasn’t trying to become a streamer by playing apex legends all day.
and good games are not being made, its mostly casino style mobile now. They love to make stores and DLC's but they hate to polish and release a complete game.
imo, the only good game thats demanding is 100% alan wake 2. if you’re playing on pc and want to play alan waks 2, i’d atleast have a 3070 or higher to have one of the best gaming experiences imo. alan wake is so fucking good man…
@@SupG-oy4le you wont regret it! while alan wake 2 has a bad rep in the pc world for being “unoptimized”, i’d say its like the crysis 2013 situation where it took up to i think the GTX 10 series to run crysis at max setting? this is the same situation as alan wake 2. doesnt defeat the fact that it is an absolute underrated gem.
I'm new to GPUs, just starting to look at a gaming PC over gaming consoles. From what I gather, it seems since 2020 that maybe the makers out there are just putting out something of minimal improvement over the last gen, hoping to get a bunch of buyers, then releasing something a little better to get the braggers and always-have-to-have-the-newest card out there, rinse and repeat. Last week I pulled the trigger on an open-box 4060 Ti 16GB OC for $415. I'm hoping this gets me a decent entry level experience on an old budget Xeon E5 build.
@@Shadow_Banned_Conservative 10 years ago, that tier of card should have never been higher than $300. The recent overpriced stagnation kills me. Here's to making my 2070 last another four years...
That's kind of the thing though... a GPU is basically just a separate computer that you plug into your main computer. A GPU board has the processor core, attached to a main board that has power delivery and I/O, through which the RAM is attached, and there's a cooler slapped on so the thing doesn't melt itself. That's basically the core of any other computer. Then you just get a PSU to feed your main computer and the small computer attached to it, some storage to store files to feed both computers, and a case to throw it all in. And if you've budgeted well, since gaming is, generally speaking, GPU limited, you're buying a higher end graphics specialized computer than your main computer. The current market is definitely overpriced at the moment... but it shouldn't be that strange for a GPU to cost more than the rest of your core components combined. You are, essentially, buying two computers.
This is why I shop AMD, got my 5700XT Nitro+ on sale for an absolute steal like 4 years ago and have been enjoying it ever since. Buying higher end or even top end cards from NVIDIA is a waste imo... AMD always has better bang for the buck in raw performance. "b-but ray-tracing and DLSS!!" DLSS really only works half the time, and doesn't make up the difference if you can get in an AMD card that's 30% better in raw performance for less money. On top of that damn near everyone I've spoken to turns ray-tracing off to get more FPS over a few extra reflections and shadow's, even with 4080's in their rig they still turn it off. I've considered upgrading to a 7900 XTX but there's honestly no real need, I can count on one hand the number of games I've ran into that forced my 5700XT to drop setting from Ultra to High. That's also a reason why GPU's don't matter anymore, we've kinda hit a wall with graphics in games, most current gen game aren't a massive leap over last gen, most people like me that had a decent rig 5+ years ago aren't looking at their system in new game and going: "damn I really NEED an upgrade."
We don't care about it in Brazil anymore simply because no one can buy them. Like, we earn anywhere between 9 to 19x less than other countries yet at best case scenario possible, we pay 2,5x the MSRP of everything, at bad scenarios... well, equivalent to YEARS of rent and more than 2 cars would cost, enough to buy a high-grade super bike. We earn barely enough to pay for electricity alone, let alone paying months of rent or even years of it on a computer part. Imagine a 4080 costing $4000 MINIMUM while you earn about $290 a month. Yeah, it is THIS bad outside the US and why PC gaming is not as popular as it should be. It's a rich people-only hobby.
This is way too real. People outside America earn more than two times less than them while paying twice or more their prices. For any Americans reading this, imagine a 4080 costing $4000, that's the converted price you pay BEST CASE SCENARIO if you live outside the US.
It’s literally because of your government. You guys have ridiculous tariffs on electronics that serve no benefit besides keeping the population years (if not a decade) behind technologically.
@@johnmoore1495 they do everything possible so the country produces as little as possible. It has been proven time and time again what makes a country productive, yet they take the exact OPPOSITE ways of making things better. Also, they always give the same excuse for these unfair and abusive taxes, saying that it is to protect the "national industry", I am missing the part where brazil has ever produced eletronics in its whole existence. Let alone the most important and advanced eletronics on the planet.
@@wallachia4797 Imagine paying $4000+ for a computer part while you earn on average $290/$300 a month... this country makes people SICK. We are beyond done with this place and all this bs. I still remember when a 3090 was costing over $7000... a 3080 $3000... we earn from $290 to $300 on average... people are só DONE with brazil. In a while we are gonna have to pay taxes to breathe. We work 5 months a year just to pay taxes... this place is unbelievable, it's so bad most people would refuse to believe how bad this place is and call bs on the allegations.
@@POLARTTYRTM yeah it makes no sense when you have no tech industry to begin with. Honestly tariffs really only work when you’re a top country putting tariffs on a country with low power, otherwise it gets incredibly messy due to retaliation.
The reason the GPU market is cooling off is that significant performance upgrades are hidden behind a paywall too steep for the majority of the enthusiasts. The fact that prices cuts spontaneously happen when inventory becomes an issue is adding insult to the injury and amplify the customers dissatisfaction with the major brands. It will become fashionable to root for Intel ARC when they get their performance on par.
It's cooling off because these companies failed to realize a nice portion of their sales were rich people trying to mine bitcoin. Now that THAT has cooled off, their sales dropped.
If gamer gpus don't sell, can Nvidia just use fab production space to make professional GPUs? It's the same die size right? for like mid-range cards at least? I say this because there is no point for Nvidia to cater to gamers if the margins are just better for professionals, apart from market share. Sure HMB2 memory is more costly but that's in the price. I suspect we will see gamer gpu sales continue to drop in the earnings reports.
At this point high end PC gaming is reserved for people with a job willing to invest that much into their hobby. Which excludes quite a number of young people.
indeed, the new flagship from nvidida for companies is a freaking beast. And no, 99.999999% of the consumers won't buy it since it costs around €50000.
Bro I love paying more while wages are stagnant and purchasing power decreases everyday. I'm glad It's just inflation and it's fair :). They definitely aren't scamming us
@@mnemonix1315 And that's fine if you make 6 figures or have literally zero expenses. But when the GPU, CPU, FoodPU, GasPU, MortgagePU, etc are all shooting up at the same time, gaming is the first thing that's going to get neglected... DLSS is the only reason I can run modern AAA games, not that it even matters since everything I play these days that isn't Elden Ring will run on a TI83 Plus, lol
I bought a 4060 for $300 recently (upgraded from the legendary 1070) and am happy with it so far, got me 75fps in CP77 with high raytracing which would have been unheard of a few years back. While it does suck we don't see the incremental improvements for so cheap that we used to, I think things are a lot better than all the doomsayers are making it out to be. I guess the fact I work with AI sometimes, and have to do rendering type stuff that heavily benefits from the AI crap on the cards, makes it a sweeter deal. Let's face it, the time of cheap hardware improvements like in the 2000s is pretty much over. Same with graphics, graphics have barely improved at all in 10 years outside of RT
This happened in a lot of a different areas of consumerism. But there seems to be a trend back towards budget friendly products. I think we will see a shift in the market in the next 5 years. Currently the GPU market is inaccessible to new entry level builders and they are a huge share of the market, and companies don't want to leave that money on the table. so they will be coming for the budget minded builders pockets soon.
True, a GPU 4090 for 2.300$ you can get a great profit in that...BUT...there are 2 problems: 1º You have a super resource for play "games" and watch porno (Inefficient market), its like a buy a truck for go to the supermarket (Trucks sellers are so happy of course). 2º They are expelling the gaming community from the PC, so it is not surprising that the world of video games on mobile phones has exploded in the last years. cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/ywAViVcHwrZRZTfnJ4aDTK-650-80.jpg.webp
I'm an old gamer, and the main thing I've changed over the years is my patience level. I have conquered my FOMO, and am now never an early adopter of anything involving computer hardware or games. Let everyone else pay to beta test games and gear.
Yeah, at 31, I’m starting to feel that way too. It’s all just a scam to get you to buy the latest card. If you’re at 60fps on 1080p, you’re probably doing just fine. That’s what consoles are at anyway. I honestly don’t play all that much anymore. I still play games with my son, but I’ve pretty much replaced my own video games with computer hacking. I have been emulating the RE1 remake on dolphin these past couple days tho, I don’t study when I’m sick like I have been 😂 It’s kinda crazy how much more love was put into old games. The new ones are all just micro transactions and cash grabs for “AAA” studios.
@@countvonthizzle9623 that’s why I use Linux. Ever since steam came out with the steam deck (steam OS is Linux), Linux gaming has REALLY improved. Even some of the best titles run better through proton than they do on windows.
Everyone remembers the abuse video card companies did to their customers during the last crypto boom. i.e. Selling in bulk to miners while claiming they are not.
Lol wait so basically they kept giving us inflated prices for gpus cause they were out....because they were purposely selling to miners, that's beautiful...-.-
Its killed any passion i had in PC gaming. I'm like whatever at this point. Will very likely just keep running my 2 Dell Optis with 1050s until AMD comes out with an APU that pushes out RX 580 tier graphics. IDAGF anymore. There are no games coming out anyway and 4K at 120hz does absolutely nothing to excite me. I grew up in the 80s and 90 when real graphical leaps were happening.
We are not looking for better graphics anymore, we're just looking for a stable performance in today's gaming era, because companies expect graphic cards to fix the lack of polishment they deliver to their own games
I used to be so much into gaming but lately the industry has been doing a great job at making me not want to come back. Looking at game prices, shameless live service games, gpu prices. The industry is pushing me away and I doubt I am alone feeling like this.
I agree completely. Besides the bad value for money of cards, there just aren't compelling games to play that require such powerful cards. I'm still rockin a 2060 and it ran that abomination Bethesda released last year no problem.
same, thats why i have mostly played indie games since the ps2 era ended. Other than some specific games from companies that show some good will, no way im "buying" (renting) some bs "AAA" game thats full of gambling mechanist to try to manipulate me into paying more than its worth and also full of DRM
What killed my interest was the scalpers buying up all the inventory and charging insane prices for it. When the card makers saw how much the scalpers were getting, they said we want a bunch more too. I'm just riding out my old build till it dies, it's running everything I do just fine for now.
@@niklazz7037Hopefully Intel joining the GPU game can create some real competition and lower prices. The Arc A770 was solid value from all the videos and reviews I've seen about it, so the upcoming Battlemage line could be big.
Last time GPUs were exciting was with pascal and Polaris in 2016 Your mid range GTX 1060 and RX 480 were stronger and had as much or more VRAM than OG GTX Titan, a $1k extreme card from 2013. Those cards continue to be extremely popular 8 years since then. I think we are on the same situation we were when Intel had no competition and was slacking on the CPU front (2012 - 2017)
for real. like you said when new affordable gpus come out, people get interested because most fellas COULD BUY THEM. Now getting refurbished 2nd hand seems to be smarter since theyre cheaper, which results in less interest for new cards
@@engineeringVirtue considering new gpu's are starting to crack from their own weight and melting their power cable's apu's are the future my friend they are catching up to gpu's rapidly now and won't crack under their own weight🤣🤣🤣
I think that one thing that nobody discusses is how better and better performance of graphic cards is no longer used to deliver actual better looking graphics, but to enable the software developers to get away with more sloppy code, models and bloat. And I got some great examples of it. Paradox Interactive makes their game on Clausewitz Engine 3 since 2019. All the new engine really did was to add 3D rendering to their map strategy games. In 2019 with their first game on it Imperator:Rome it was running smoothing on my 1050ti. But since then I could see the gradual decrease of performance in their newer releases. The last major update to Crusader Kings 3 (a map game, with low fidelity character models) somehow causes my graphic card to choke, and I'm basically forced to play on minimal settings. A similar thing goes for games like Witcher 3 after the Ray Tracing update, they haven't changed anything but the game now runs like shit and actually looks worse without the ray tracing because they had removed the ambient occlusion options. There are probably loads of other games that you could find, where the developers don't bother to optimise it, these days just because "It runs good on our hardware". Even though, an average player has no reason to upgrade their graphics card unless all they want is to play new AAA releases.
Unreal Engine 5 has turnkey "make game look good" settings such as Lumen, and most developers use commercial assets which are designed to look good and not to perform well. This means making a good looking but heavy game is basically the default, or you can put a ton of money into making it run better. The choice is obvious.
We actually have a bigger problem like underwhelming releases like Starfield. if the games that require faster GPUs suck then no need to buy a faster GPU. plus with the cost of living increasing. for Nvidia or Amd to get people interested again they will need to significantly improve the price-to-performance ratio on entry-level GPUs.
Games are also terribly optimized nowadays, because gaming companies don't care about quality and just wanna make as much money as fast as possible. So the consumer is stuck, especially at the midrange, playing games at 1080p for the past 6~7 years.
the issue is that games and screens got more demanding then the best gpu's can provide. when granking the graphic up and running on my double udh display i get 25 to 35fps at best. almost feels like 2k again lol
@@JonoSSD It's not even "making money" for the big ones, its increasing the stock value explosively. They're under control of the shareholders etc and those people demand an absurd growth of the company value no matter the stability or viability of it. And if the company folds under the massive stupidity of the whole thing? they sold their stocks 15 minutes before it, and its time to find a new victim.
People hate it because the fundamentals of gaming has changed. It's no longer fun gaming hobby but a constant job like cash grab. Every game treats you like it's your job to play them. On top of that, the hardware itself is no longer fun. Everything is exciting until you look into the price which makes it no longer exciting. Imagine the 4070ti coming in at 600$. It totally can. That would have bought in the excitement again.
@@nttinvis No, the 4070 super should be 500$. The 3080 is 90% of its performance so it would only make sense if the 4070 Super is 500$. Thats how the 3070 was priced and so was the 2070.
@@nttinvis The 7900XT is now at 700$ which is finally the right price. It costs the same as the 6800XT/3080 and performs 40% faster. The right generational leap. Similarly the 7800XT is on the 3080 12GB level and costs 500$. Perfect pricing.
I agree the live service model has been a disaster for console and pc gaming. I despized it way back when it was prevelent in the mobile market with gacha games and a bunch of non gamers in suits just want to cram it in everything because $$$.
1. Lackluster improvements from generation to generation if any (while costing significantly more). 2. The total lack of focus on the budget and midrange cards that 95% customers go for (xx50, xx60, xx70). 3. The complete lack of touch with reality. GPU manufacturers still think we're in 2020 and people are willing to pay obscene prices for a GPU.
yeah, I mean the lack of new revolutionary features with the gnu's it just pathetic and the cost is sky rocketing. the new feature now days are just rehashes of the old ones nothing new comes out any more like shadow play was new a long time ago they promise us ai but where is it as a free download nowhere to be found.
Bro we had a huge global inflation. Basically speaking every country went full socialism mode and printed loads of money. Everything is more expensive. Have you checked food prices prior 2020 and now? Blame the politicians and their socialist ideas
@@visitante-pc5zc yeah good luck on that idea kiddo with your playschool printer they just added a bunch of money to the online banking system eliminating the need to print more money out cause don' Tcha know moneys expensive to print easier just to add ones and zeros in the banks computers
I just built a 4770k 1080ti build And I only want to switch out my hard drives for a ssd. The newest I'll ever go is a 2080ti, but only for a new build much later.
i kept hanging onto a 1070 ti for six years after it launched, I only recently upgraded, going all the way to the RTX 4090. but I also use the 4090, for what its really intended for, professional grade animation work. and when it comes to 3d animation, time is money and the less time spent waiting for the computer to render, the better. thus for a 3d animator, flagship cards make sense. Though i do agree, prices are still too high. Nvidia and AMD constantly advertise their flagship cards as gaming cards, but the truth is, they are just way too overpowered for that. The only reason I an think of for a gamer to get a flagship GPU is if they dont want to replace it for ten years.
1080 TI whore here. My monitor is 1080 144hz, no point in me updating unless i go all the way. And since I dont hardcore game anymore I probably wont until this rig dies.
Also, that view count theory is incorrect. The YT platform is overly saturated these days. All of those views are spread out over 1,000 fold more channels covering the same exact topic. I’m not going to watch different channels say the same thing about a the same graphics card.
I have the best 360aio water-cooled 4090 you can buy before going custom, and I want something better. *shrug* Yes it's a beast, but we're not done at 4k. VR needs more. AI needs more. The industry needs people buying GPU's to help move things along.
@bro6842I think mine's going for $2500 now, but I got it on launch day for $2k. No regrets. Yes, I'm an adult making adult money so a GPU is cheap compared to lots of other things. Not bragging, because I was broke before as well, but there is definitely a market for top-tier stuff, even if it's small. It's a beast for VR, AI and rendering too, not just gaming.
@@pingvingaming OP is referring to starfield. An objectively poorly made and horrendously optimized game. But thats far from the only new game with the same issue.
Dude I've been watching you for a while and recently I've seen you really kick your production value in high gear. By a lot. Don't stop grinding man, it's very noticeable and it's paying off. Much love.
Not only the things you said, but on top of that, most modern AAA games are just unimpressive, so ultimately it leaves us asking why should we care to spend increasing prices on GPUs to play games that aren't even that fun (and want to further drain our wallets)?
this, my friend just built a nice new pc. spent around what i spent for mine, he will realize soon that theres no point in spending 2k+ on a pc with how new games are currently running
@@Swampyballs69 yeah, i mostly play emulation, indies and Vintage Story + HEAVLY modded java Minecraft, triple A are just story boring games mostly. I realy miss the psvita/psp/3DS and console double A games.
Yeah video games and graphics cards are like hot dogs and hot dog buns. You don't usually buy one without the other. If I'm playing indie games which are basically all low poly because those are the games that are actually fun then I don't need a new graphics card. People don't buy games to have another performance test on their cars they buy them to play them and have fun, the graphics of the game are only a small portion of that.
Except phones are kinda necessary but gpus are mostly for leisure (gaming for the most part) and if it stresses you out(prices) more than giving you a fun time it ain't leisure
gpus are much worst than phones. idk about you but people can usually get phones for next to nothing per month ona contract with their service provider making phones alot more accessible to everyone. where as with gpus you have to pay these ridiculous high prices upfront.
There is a reason why the most popular GPUs on Steam hardware survey is RTX 3060 & GTX 1650. For majority of normal people there is simply no reason to buy anything with more performance when a high end GPU costs as much as entire PC with mid range GPU included. Soon situation will get even weirder as with AMD 8000G APUs, it will also be hard to justify buying entry level GPU at all. There are also things like power consumption and performance per watt which are also kinda terrible. High end GPUs can use like 300 - 400 watt on its own and if you game regularly, then it translates to huge electricity bills that are kinda unjustified, since all you are really getting by using high end gpu is higher resolution & ray tracing. But the $ cost is not worth it. On the opposite side we got a Steam Deck that uses less than 15 watts and can play anything within acceptable performance. During GTX 980 & GTX 1080 era, high end GPUs actually made perfect senses. Heck, if you have one of those cards there is no reason for you to upgrade (unless GPU dies & you have to replace it, but you will most likely end up with 4060 or 7600, and not something high end). PC gaming had never been this delaminated.
I own a $1000 6GB GTX Titan(Kepler era, 2013) I’m only now upgrading to a 16GB 4070 Ti Super, and only because it can’t run modern AI software like Stable Diffusion. Otherwise it’s lasted 11 years of constant daily use and was plenty good for older gaming titles as well.
we need budget cards again, like 4030, 4050 and 7400, 7500 XT and they have to perform better than the 780M in the 8700G and it needs to start aat 220€ as much
Wherever i hear people asking about PC's mainly for their kids and gaming, the games specified are Minecraft, Fortnite and Roblox. You don't need a 2000-3000$ build with the latest and powerful GPU for those... People play all sorts of games, the indie scene is big too, a lot of Steam games have low requirements. And even the latest and brightest are playable on mid to low specs new-ish PC's.
Remember back in the long-long-ago time of the mid-2010s when mid-range GPUs for regular consumers with regular sized wallets only costed around $200-$400 dollars, and you got great performance to run the current generation of games for the next couple of years? That's the difference between being young and excited to build a system around such a value beast and a Zimmer frame.
My budget even now for a GPU is 240$. I simply wait it out and buy used. Got a 1 yo used 3060ti for 230$ a few months ago and it's all I need for my needs. Plus I never fell for the 4k marketing shills and their push to convince me to upgrade to 4k. 3060ti for 1080p is a freaking beast. All super smooth sailing as I target 1080p/high/60fps settings. Also don't fall for the Ray tracing nonsense unless you have money to burn on the top end gfx cards.
@@main_stream_media_is_a_joke Still, it used to be that such a budget could buy you the equivalent graphics card brand new. Now you have to wait for it to become available used at such a price.
@@main_stream_media_is_a_joke 60 fps is great for single player, on competitive games your dead before the enemy is rendered, try something like war thunder at 60 fps then at 400.
@@outtheredude I get your point but things being what they are, a 1 yo well maintained gfx card(still with 3+ years warranty) is in my books a freaking amazing deal as compared to the ridiculously priced mid range "latest" gfx cards for $400/500+.
I remember building my first computer several years back and a ~ $340 CPU and a ~ $560 GPU (7700K & 1080) where pretty much the best of the best back then... Man how things have changed... for the worse 😐 Edit: The prices are roughly estimates from SEK to USD. I live in Sweden and our stuff is always $100- $300 more expensive, except for cpu's, they're mostly the same price as in the US, for example.
@@mikaboshia Mine still works to this day 👌😂 Regurlar maintence and some improvements have kept it alive and have served me well! I delidded the CPU and regurlary switched out the thermal paste. Heck, the gpu even survived getting the liquid metal treatment, which bas a bad idea, don't do that people 😅😂 Some liquid metal shortet out 1 or 2 vram chips but after thorough cleaing it worked again! Unbelievable right? Now the pc lives with my sister. She isn't a "hardcore" gamer so she doesn't play nearly as often as I do. Also she enjoys older games alot more so she's pretty happy with the pc. And on another note there's the problem with modern games, most of them atleast. They honestly Suck. I started playing Minecraft in the Alpha/Beta days, and still play it to this day. And I mostly enjoy Singleplayer titles. Bottom line is, upgrading to newer hardware is more of a hobby than a neccesity, an expensive one at that. Most of the hardware I've bought since is used.
@@snowythecolaaddict I got a nice ultra wide 1440p monitor during black Friday. So I need some vram. Lol my 1080 can handle it on med to low to get at least stable 60fps. But I just what to actually use the monitor to it's best.
@@mikaboshia Yeah. I just have a normal 1440p monitor and when I had my 1070 before I gave my old pc to my brother, I could play some games at 60fps. Then again I stick to games like Stray which aren't very demanding
Paying more than 500 bucks is ridiculous. Im still using my 1070 form 2016. I admit though it is just recently starting to struggle so when i can afford it I'll build a new PC. Im literal proof though that you dont need to upgrade your GPU every generation to enjoy gaming.
I’m rocking a 4070, mainly wanted it cause I was planning to buy a 1440p monitor. I now have a 1440p monitor I immensely regret that choice as I mainly play osu and the motion blur was horrendous. I tried to buy another 1080p monitor but Amazon fucked up and sent me the wrong one so now I gotta go through that process and I’ll be waiting like a week or two to get a new one. I could have just bought a used 3070 or 3080
FSR 3 frame gen mods have been a lifesaver for older GPUs like pascal, WHEN MODDERS SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS INSTEAD OF NVIDIA AND AMD officially, because planned obsolescence of tech.
Here's my take. The problem isn't really with the GPUs, it's with games. Basically all new games are horrendous so why do you need a new GPU if you can play all the games you ever would want to play on max settings using a 10 year old GPU?
Yeah why not a 7800XT (7800)or a 7900 GRE* (7800XT)? They are in the same ballpark range.... And that 12 GB VRAM, and the offer I had for my old PC are what made my buy a 7900XT, because back then none of the 4070s made sense, and the 4070Ti was just insane. Back then it was basically NVIDIA saying: "That'll be 1k+ Euros for a GPU that you'll have to replace in 2-3 years! Oh, that's just the premium for all these nice features you can't use most of the time, unless you play some very specific games!" I have 3 games that can use Raytracing, one was a freebie, and I think 4 that can use DLSS 2. And in two of them DCS and War Thunder I would never use them, as they and TAA make it near impossible to spot enemies, or use the HUD. And safe for the price, I have not regretted buying that card, it is sn absolute beast in Rasterization, which is 99.5% of my games and gametime. Combined with 64GB RAM and a 5800X3D on a X570S Board, and NVME drives with cache, i'm getting some insane fps in Arma 3 and DCS.....in 3440x1440! If I'll replace something in the next few years, it might be the CPU/Mainboard/RAM combo, because most of my games, like DCS, AC, ACC, AmS2, Arma3, are cpu limited. And that only if the AMD Ryzen 9000X3D are good enough. *GREed, chinese wallets Getting Really Eviscerated, Greatly Reduced Expectations, aka not really a 7900, but rather a 7800XT (16GB VRAM and 256-bit bus). Edit: Typos.
@@hellspawnx3526 cuz a. The 6800 non XT swft xfx I bought before broke in under a week so I couldn't justify buying amd again, b. Before I buy a 580€ 7800xt I used a coupon and bought the 4070 super for 620€ and finally c. The 4070 super performs overall better, has all the features every game has, is more energy efficient and thus cheap over a longer period of using. 16gb would have been nice, but it's not necessity at this point. I guess the 5070 will have 16gb and I might upgrade to it in a year or two if I get another coupon or it's on a rare sale after I sold the 4070 super used
I don't know the salaries in other countries but... in Spain any 600€ graphics card is half of a normal salary. Not to mention those that cost more than €1000. Basically, a monthly payment of your annual salary goes to the graphics card so that after 2 years you have new models that are practically the same as the previous models.
Not that bad eh, in my country 500$ is more than normal salary. People always joke about selling kidney to buy 1080ti in 2016, and right now, things get even worse.
@@nexus02496in my country there is a neverending inflation and low interest rates and the more you try to save money the more you lose money and electronics priceses are way above the normal pay. It’s imposible to buy things without going in debt. Everytime you delay your purchase you lose more money but if you buy today you pay an interest rate but you’d pay much more if you saved money. Still debt inevitable
When I bought 1080ti on release I was amazed, because it was really powerful and I could turn on everything in latest games. Now I need 4090 for 3x price and I will get less than 50 fps in cp2077 with overdrive rt @ 1440p. What's even the point? I'd rather get middle gpu if I'm gonna turn down settings anyway.
The only way to improve graphics these days is through things like ray tracing that are just super demanding. That's why games from 5+ years ago often look just as good as anything released today. I think we've just hit a plateau, where the best we can do is just moderately increase resolutions, textures, and triangle count. Until we can move on from silicon, I think the gains are going to continue to diminish.
I had the same feeling when I got my 3090. I REALLY didn't feel it was worth its cost. I had to change my GPU though. Was on a 1070TI and had just built a new computer. That card was the only one I could get my hands on after 8 months of trying. So, I'm not going to change to a 4000 series and I don't think I will be buying a 5000 series card either. Not if the pricing is what it is now.
I'm still rocking my 1080ti and do not want to change it at all. I've sometimes the surge to, but then I go lookup at the price and forget that idea really fast.
1080ti was THE shit. Amazing card. I settled for regular 1080 because the value was insane. But a 1080ti now is still a damn good card. You can still play a bunch of good games on that thing. And yeah. Its cost back then was a fraction of the cost of the current high end lineup.
I have a 7900xt. I got it open box from microcenter with free starfield for $675. I was completely ready to pass on this generation, but that made sense to me.
Awesome deal! But saying it came with a free copy of Starfield is like saying it came with a free rotten banana. You could eat the banana, but who would want to?
That aint bad deal to be honest. In my country the cheapest 7900xt costs 860€ and good partner models are 950€. Cheapest open box ive seen was 820€ I really hate this overpriced gpu bullshit.
Essentially -$45 from the current 7900 XT best deals sold new at Microcenter in exchange for probably not having a warranty... Not a bad deal, but if I'm spending $700+ (when factoring in sales tax), I'm going to want that warranty.
The thing for me is, i WANT to keep gaming on PC, and upgrading when it's needed to run newer games. But what's killing the interest for me on "triple-A" titles right now, besides the things already said on the video, is the over reliance on upscaling and apparently not giving a shit about optimizing. Now playing at your monitor's native res is nearly impossible if you want good performance ( 60+ fps ). I refuse to use upscaling at 1080p because it looks like garbage. Can we go back to having a clear image instead of this ugly blurry mess of today, please? My 3060 should be plenty capable for playing at 1080p, but what i get when i try most new titles is it performing awfully unless upscaling is enabled. I want to go back to the 2010's era when games actually had a clear image output.
Nope. PC ports were always rushed. Now that upscaling means you can rush them even more, they will. But I don't think upscaling is even made for 1080p because, well, it looks horrible.
@@MrGamelover23 Not always, one recent example i can recall is Spiderman Remaster, it performs super well and still has great graphics. Also strangely games coming from Sony like Returnal, Horizon:ZD, Days Gone all have good optimization on PC. 😉 But i agree that most of the time they are rushed nowadays
I just got a used 3060 for $200 and I'm super happy with it. I'm coming from a gtx 970 though. This is the first time I've been able to playing anything @1440p 60fps.
to be honest i have just given up on gaming except for the occasional older titles. This console generation has been a massive poopshow, and I have no interest in it. the AAA industry is just a disaster everywhere.
Exactly, this is why I left PC gaming. Consoles hold much value for money and I do not need to bother with trying to hunt down GPUs and fine tuning games. I have a PS5 and I dont worry about any of that stuff coz it just works.
@@joelj457 funny your reason for leaving PC is the same reason why I left consoles. They're not that good of a value for people like me. I hate paying for online on top of my internet bill, I do not like the fact that everything is all digital now but at least the steam store isn't going to randomly shut servers off for downloads unless Valve goes out of business. At least they're not going to snatch games you already paid for out of your library. Sony and Microsoft along with those shit heads from Nintendo are the reason why I'm losing interest in gaming. They are starting to affect the PC market with all the crappy games that nobody wanted on the consoles also coming to the PC. Doesn't help that Nvidia is greedy and AMD is mediocre
You still pay for games. Just get a GPU and pirate shit. I save more money in the long run covering the cost of an entire PC in the 4yrs I own that PC before upgrading. Not to mention game retailers gouge the fuck out of you. Just went to PS5 website and the list of games for 60-100$+ is insane... That's 10 games a year for a $4k PC and likely at most 24hrs of game time per game. Console = bad investment
I think that we are partially responsible for this situation. Now, the solution seems reasonable: do not buy any new GPU until the manufacturers drop their prices.
We, or rather, The Braindead (always increasing in number) amongst us, are 100% responsible. If you can keep raising prices and STILL get your products sold, you ain't gonna suddenly lower them. Unfortunately.
Stop insulting me young man!
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Ok boomer
Nobody cares because the hobby turned into a tiered money grab.
This
There's lots of good games, emulation is better than ever to play old games, the indie scene is fantastic, and steam has AAA games on sale regularly. You are just too old or boring to care. This is the best year for metroidvania, rpg, and fighting games. Fps has dozens of contenders and rpgs like sea of stars, Zelda, baldursrs gate, and final fantasy.
It's not them; it's you.
It has always been about the money. You're just forgetting all the shitty money-grabbing games of the past.
@@Nostalgiaforinfi Cringe gaslighting that simultaneously completely misses the point. Bravo shill.
Because the perfect gpu at the time is the Rx 6700xt the only one with high VRAM, fast and affordable. It is a disgrace what's going on with the new gpu releases in both brands.
Also most new games that are worth playing run well in old generation because they are also being launched for ps4
Another thing you haven't mentioned is that new AAA games becoming more demanding and less optimized has caused more people to roll back to less demanding indie titles.
Yup, and those run on iGPUs half of the time
@@roqeyt3566Or by the least old low tier graphics cards. There are still some indie titles that require a slight gpu muscle, but still not as much as AAAs.
This. I expect games to run 144Hz at 1440p, if they don’t I’ll play games that will and wait for optimizations, if my hardware is capable of it I won’t waste time with games that aren’t.
@@moomoocowsly Let me rephrase it for you: It's because AAA games are shittier and shittier. Great graphics, and stop counting.
I think Doom 2016 was the last title that actually cared about optimization. Like, actually put a lot of time and effort into making it run well across a vast spectrum of machines at release (and even on linux, huh). They knew it was a demanding game, and they knew they had to optimize it well for it to sell well. And they nailed it, just like they crushed the apprehension about it actually being a good game and not another Duke Nukem disaster remake.
Can definitely speak from my perspective - I can't afford a GPU that costs more than $350, and it feels like either I'm being priced out of this market entirely, or I'm getting scraps and leftovers. The only launch that's been interesting and affordable to me is the 7600 XT, and that's a terrible bodged together monstrosity with a 128 bit bus and 16GB in clamshell configuration. It's just not worth upgrading. And honestly? The games aren't worth it either, most AAA games that are coming out are a waste of time of money AND need NASA hardware to run. I've been playing Tekken 8 at 1080p on my 6650 XT and that's been a blast, that's really what modern titles should be aiming for, but most UE5 games are unoptimized garbage. Here's hoping game optimization gets better, or GPU prices get better. I know most people care about GPU value, most can afford to buy in the $500 to $600 range, but I really want to see a healthier entry level market with good $200, $250, $300 and $350 options for normies. Because otherwise what's the point?
I think most people can't afford those 600$ cards. they just don't talk about it
@@redstoneactive6589we do, we just don’t go around preaching like the people who can afford them
i totally agree, i got so angry at this shit that i told myself ill never buy not used gpu, actually i spent like 10$ on my build by getting worse condition parts and repairing them (and finding i7 3770 with gigabyte card in scrapped pc). Just got rx 570 i custom made airflow so i can overclock the shit out of it, got it to 1500 Mhz and 2150 Mhz memory speed and gpu doesnt ever go over 60 degrees. Everywhere is hope man and tbh It gives you so much satisfaction when you can play cyberpunk 2077 on 60 fps on 10$ pc
thing that cost me the most was roccat kone emp mouse for 4$ with a doubleclick. And if someone want to say that switches for this mouse cost something i didnt buy a switch i repaired old one XDDD
I just gaved up dude if you want a good gpu you just have to become rich no option really sad 😢
I've been working in IT for over 20 years. I've been building my own PCs for longer than that. I see no value in any of the current gen cards that cost more than my PS5. The market is in need of a correction. Prices must come back down to earth to make PC gaming worthy of my attention again. Right now I primarily play on console.
Not only gpu'ss, but also motherboards and cpu's. It's ridiculous. You used to be able to buy a lower middleclass motherboard for like 100 bucks. Good luck finding anything that isn't absolute barebones in that price range today.
absolute normie
It's called a paradigm shift. The future of GPUs is not gaming. It's things like AI and HPC. And a similar thing is happening to the PC market in general. Mobile devices, smart TVs, and gaming consoles are taking over the home computing market. For most people those devices can serve their computing needs just as well, if not better. That means the PC market is going to be mostly servers, and high end workstations. The home PC is dying.
@@stefanl5183 I think that you are correct, but I would modify the PC dying part by saying it is cyclical. I've gamed on PC's since the early 1980's and I've started building and modifying them in the early 1990's. Some years I dropped the PC and went console and other years I got excited about the latest PC tech and built a new computer. I just went through a new computer building phase during COVID, but the GPUs, or lack thereof, were the piece that made me not build the next version. COVID forced me to install older used GPUs and now I can't bring myself to spend the extra for a new card. Hopefully, the price to performance will come back down and I will build that next new computer. The future might be powerful newer mini PCs, but unless the GPU manufacturers get behind them, the GPU portion will be handled by the onboard CPUs.
@@deswill2737 yeah this dude is boomer tier... muh ps5 XD patheeeetttic... this whole comment senction is cringe and absolute midwits when it comes to building computers... a ps5 is 570 dollars an rtx 3070 is 619... so you save 50 dollars.. in this economy 50 bucks is nothing. I'm glad were moving back to a niche community. Maybe graphics cards reviews are going down because everyone wants iPads, PS(x), s(oy)witches. I cant wait for Windows to die so it's posix compatible systems or nothing, and the internet is only real nerds again.
Arc isn't boring. You never know if it will be supported next year. The excitement is so high.
It's like Russian Roulette. Very exciting.
thats what they said last year :(
Lol, uncertainty is so exciting. Do you hear yourself?
@@HenryTownsmyth well I think he is joking but meh.
You don't know they've signed a deal with TSMC for the 3rd gen Celestial as well right? Right?
1080ti gang, hold the line
So annoyed with myself that I was broke when the 1080Ti was released (started college, no income). Probably the GOAT of all GPUs lol
lmao, how this 7 year old gpu has still been able to give me no reasons to upgrade is insane. I changed the thermal pads on mine and it runs like 👌
I didnt hold the line and got a 4070S. It's good value and doubled my fps, but now I get microstutter in Palworld...
They'll never make another 1080ti. I have it in my closet. Rocking a 3080 10gb. If my 3080 ever croaks and I can't RMA for whatever reason it's getting tossed back into my PC.
best GPU of all time
My one real problem is that these days, the best machine that you can build can not run all games at maxed out settings. Be it experimental graphics features, terrible optimization, driver issues... even if you fork out $3000, you would have no guarantee that you're set.
That used to be the norm before last gen; The highest settings were all future proofed. Crysis, for example, couldn't be maxed out for ages after it came out. Same for The Witcher 2.
That was the point of the latest game engines, Idtech and Unreal, that they pushed far to the future for the required performance to be able run everything max. That is something that changed when alternatives got out like Unity, that started to be very optimized for old generation resources in mind. And suddenly IdTech and Unreal were in same cart, optimizing everything for low end in mind.
Farcry and Crysis were games that really pushed far to the future until someone found 10 years later "Hey, we can run all in max settings". Similar as with ARMA 2 and ARMA 3, that you needed 10 years on both to be able run them. It was huge boost for egoistic narcissist gamers to praise their superiority via expensive GPU prices...
When prices for everything skyrocketed I went from building outdated pcs with used parts I saved up for to barely surviving. Went from “I can’t wait to buy this gpu second hand” to “I can’t wait to buy food eventually.”
Things are better now, but I found single board computers are a cheaper and more enjoyable hobby for me personally.
makes one appreciate devs that optimize their games to play well across a range of lower and middle spec pcs. AAA should be taking notes, but they only care about quantifiable figures of money, much to their detriment. They have no idea how much they leave on the table with their greedy practices, because not buying something is not a quantifiable piece of data.
I think we have all watched mainstream gaming turn from entertainment into whale milk machines. Everything is meant to separate fools from more of their cash. It makes me appreciate old games before the greedy monetization schemes and nonexistent optimization. I already own enough good games to last me 2 lifetimes, and there are more too, for cheap cheap cheap. Older games are better, we're not missing anything other than feeling disrespected and made to be addicted, because that's what mainstream games are about now. It takes a Baldur's Gate 3 or a Palworld to come along and illuminate that fact every now and then, and the whole disgusting industry flips out about it and shows their ass every time.
We are meant to pay more, to get less. Hard pass! Easy hard pass! Keep it retro!
My awakening was kind of watching some random German kid building a PC with kind of strange components when I was in full marketing, drunk hype beast benchmark mode. The kid was so pragmatic and just identified his use case and knew what components would be able to do the job that he required. It really started to make me think about things more from how an engineer would look at something and how identifying the use case is the most important part. We see this in shoes, clothes, camping equipment, bicycles, cars, televisions and we get kind of caught up in the marketing and buzz and excitement. On the opposite side of the games. Also pray on this mentality in our quest for quality despite the diminishing returns. I look at a lot of cars now I wonder why the cheap cars are so bad and it's just not a lot of effort being put into these things to be competitive and the common consumer is easily distracted with knick knacks and doodads. Consumers have made their claims of what they want with their dollars and so manufacturers have obliged. You can say consumers have been coerced with marketing, but at the end of the day we are a critical part of the ecosystem and are participants in crafting the modern marketplace.
yeah I remember the start and later peak of the GPU price gouging and bitcoin farming that empowered nVidia to officially stop giving any fucks. A lot of second hand retailers and repair shops in my area had two stark paths: one of shutting down to leave their passion and go work as bartenders and the other where they lucked out and some rich kid with a disconnected VGA cable was willing to play serious money for basic fixes as long as it happened rapidly and so that kept them afloat at least to us outside observers. Suits ruined gaming, film, GPU pricing and actually all entertainment as a whole.
Some years ago (before 2020) I essentially bought a whole new gaming rig for about 3000$. Now today when I look at what I’d like to buy for my next rig, the GPU alone costs about 2500$, ALONE. This is just insane!
Thats a you problem bro. You don’t need a $2500 dollar card if you’re just gaming. I paid $2000 for my entire build in 2018, and I paid $2000 just a week ago for a new build since my old one is on its last legs, and most of the parts are pretty high end and good enough to run the ever increasing demands of modern video-games
EDIT: many people have offered their old cards to me and honestly I feel so grateful, so lets keep those good spirits up and if you have a piece of hardware that you no longer use and you don't want to go through with the hassle of marketplace or whatever, go your local computer store and give them away to the people who may need them.
I feel that, as consumers, but more importantly as enthusiasts of technology we have the duty to fight greedy companies by making sure that no old hardware goes to waste and everyone can keep the hobby alive and all that hippie bullshit.
Anyways, thank you so much for the comments, and really, there's no need to keep offering stuff, look around you and maybe you can help someone with their setup.
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the other day my 7 year old msi 1050ti went a little wonky and I literally wanted to cry. I live in Chile and GPU's are SO. GOD. DAMMED. EXPENSIVE. That I literally would need to save money for like 10 months to a year on a minimum wage job to maybe MAYBE afford a used 1080ti
@@DaybreakPT dude, minimum wage is about 350 usd. The cheapest 3060 available in chile RIGHT NOW is 315 usd.
if the available cash i can save is about 20 bucks a month id need about a year and a half to get it. which at that point is going to be a 5 year old card
Do you NEED to replace a dying 1050ti with an even older, probably soon to die 1080ti when you could get say a 4060 or AMD equivalent that will actually last you the next 7 years instead? Going 3 gens up is a MASSIVE jump in GPUs, a 3060ti is as powerful as a 1080ti was.
Yo también soy de Chile, y si, concuerdo, pero no es tanto así, he visto muchas tarjetas buenas (3060, rx6600, 2060s y 1660) bordando las 150 lucas, e incluso algunas que bordean las 100 (rx580 8gb) claro, usadas, pero aún así, siguen siendo tarjetas muy buenas
RX 6600 is as fast as 1080...more efficient and cheaper
We have plenty of used 1080's in America for around $200. Have one of us send you one.
For the same reason average people don't care about watching every single Lamborghini review.
I bought my entire 2070 super, 2.5tb SSD, 16gb ram pc for $1000 a few years ago. Ain’t no way I’m spending the cost for my entire computer on a part. It’s insane how things have become and people just keep eating it up incentivizing this anti-consumer pricing to continue
That is what happens in an economy. When actors that have access to an infinite line of credit.
I'm not paying over a thousand for a GPU, *any* GPU. They sell GPU's as if they're life saving medications and people have no choice but to buy them when they're nothing more then an accessory for a very niche hobby.
Right there with you, Vex. I'm normally a tech enthusiast and I love PC gaming, but I've been so disillusioned by the obscene, outrageous prices of graphics cards over the last three years. It's all but killed my enthusiasm for the hobby. We've jumped the shark when the price of one component costs more than the leading console. It's time to find a new hobby.
I agree, but remember that along with the high price comes killer performance.
I remember forking over a small fortune for a GTX 1080 Ti, the top card at the time. I also remember the anticipation when I installed it and got the driver set up--woohoo!
Oh yeah, one more thing: I remember the 'meh' feeling over its performance. At least I could say it was noticeably better than my previous 1070!
Today, they're even more expensive but they DO have the performance to back it up. At least you know when you fork over a GRAND just for the privilege of wasting your time gaming, the performance will be as impressive as the price is annoying. Keep that in mind.
@@devilsoffspring5519 Absolutely not. The RTX 4090 is 25% faster than the 4080, and it's $800 more expensive. I myself also owned a GTX 1080 Ti (and the 980 Ti before it), so it's not like I'm new to the PC gaming hobby. If prices were at historical norms today, we would have an RTX 4080 Ti that was just a few percent slower than the RTX 4090 and costs $700-800 when accounting for inflation. You are out of your mind to suggest that the price increases are worth it today.
@@selohcin I didn't say they were 'worth it' though. If you want a top tier graphics card, the price is grossly out of proportion to the performance. It has been that way since I was a kid in the early to mid-1980s and first becoming aware of this stuff.
If you want a new Ferrari it will cost a lot more than a used Ford.
If you want to buy an F-35 fighter jet it will cost more money than a P-51 Mustang from the 1940s. The F-35 is 3 times faster, but costs 100 times more money than a P-51. It's a "flagship graphics card" of fighter jets.
You people think you "deserve" a 4090 Ti for 200 bucks. It has been that way for 40 years.
@@devilsoffspring5519 You DID say it was worth it when you wrote "Today, they're even more expensive but they DO have the performance to back it up." Stop equivocating.
@@selohcin If you want the top of the line card it will be disproportionately expensive for the performance increase. It's the way it's always been, that's what I meant.
Repeat after me:
I don't need to be on the bleeding edge.
I don't need to run my games at ultra settings with rtx all the time.
I don't need more than 120fps in my competitive games.
I don't need 4k gaming.
Repeat this every morning and stay away from temptation, my brothers.
As someone who fell out of gaming in spring of 2020 and now wants to get back in. It feels like a bad time due to the current refresh cycle. I have money now so I want to build a high end system. But I don’t want to pay high end pricing during the middle of the cycles:
7800X3D came out 9 months ago, AM5 platform still using 1st gen motherboards which I’ve always avoided, 7900XTX is 13 months old, and the RTX 4090 is 15 months old and still going above MSRP considerably.
At this point I might just build a low end PC and sell it once new high end stuff is out.
It’s just annoying unless you plan out your upgrades in advance or you don’t care about wasting money.
with prices right now just buy a console. you are probably a year or two out before any major change could even happen with the next gpus.
Get used parts and ur going to be fine that fomo is messing with ur mind.
@@christopherfortineux6937
But console players do not have access to all
of the mods available to PC users…
I play Skyrim and PC mods to Console mods
doesn’t even begin to compare or I would go
that route until something breaks in the gpu
World…
It's actually not a bad time. Prices are dropping on GPUs, and all other PC components are relatively inexpensive for the price. SSD prices have come up somewhat after being extremely low for the last few months of last year, but there are still lots of good prices for SSDs as well.
I have given up. I repasted my over 4 year old rx5700 which is kinda broken (only stable if I lower boost clock by 5% and windows uninstalls the drivers regularly) and will use it for the next 3 years to come.
Oof, that sucks and I get it, because of my budget I gotta constantly look at benchmark videos for the best possible value gpu because of how crazy prices fluctuate in the market, there's barely anything good out there
@@inawesome4162 But I kinda like my pc. I learned a lot due to the limitations and problems it brought. I wish you best luck and low graphic card prices.
The recent price cuts bringing the 7700XT down to $330 ish actually make it a reasonable card. It should never have launched so close to the 7800XT.
Do you have your igpu forced in bios by any chance? I once forgot to disable it so windows kept updating drivers for igpu and uninstalling the dgpu one.
@@inawesome4162 sure there's nothing good, but if you have to upgrade there's nothing you can do than choose something. i also have an rx 5700 and it's not good for new games that come out. Lords of the Fallen 2 can barely get 60 fps on medium settings and when the fps drop kicks in it goes to the 30's. the fights in that game are terrible when the fps drops to the 30's. same goes for other newer games. most likely i'll upgrade to rx 7700xt. i would get the rx 7800xt, but here in EU it don't cost $500 but $600(out of budget). at $500 range, you get the rx 7700xt.
It's because the companies have been for almost a decade trying to convince gamers that photorealistic graphics=good game. It's not. So now you have got AAA companies focusing too much on making the game look photorealistic but at the cost of gameplay, story/narrative and art style. We now have too many games that look photorealistic. And now they all start to feel the same. There is no uniqueness. THere is no art style. It just feels like playing different games set in the same universe.
The element of fiction is gone and people lose interest when you bring too much realism into escapism. To the point that games almost look like real life and it starts to feel more like a chore than fun.
I was truly excited when I purchased my first 20Mb Seagate HDD. I was thrilled when we upgraded from the green text monitor to VGA monitors and then to my first 14" color monitor. My face melted when I played Quake for the first time. I've not felt like that for decades now..
I started paying attention to GPU around GeForce series era starting 1999. Don't even remember the term "GPU" before that. I used NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2GB (still in working condition) from 2013 to 2018. Then I upgraded to ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 TI 11GB. Very very happy with it and have no intentions of upgrading for the next 10 years. I love my games but it doesn't need to run at "Ultra". While I appreciate the advancement in technology and other avenues of research high powered GPUs have opened up, I don't find myself being very excited about it.
Had the same card. Its a monster. If only developers knew how to make games correctly these days.
ok old man
@@tiskar9430 hey! 45 is the new 30!
Same with me, I'm still using my GTX1080 FE with a 3570K and have zero intentions on updating them any time soon.
Quake memories!
It's unfortunate when I learned that throwing money and tech in the hopes of achieving consistent frame rate is actually dependent on the developer and how they have or haven't optimized their game.
I think a lot of people are beginning to understand the dread we've been feeling for awhile now. Neither AMD or Nvidia give a hoot about gaming any more. It's all this AI nonsense and that would be fine in any other market but this one where the barrier to entry is so insane because of legacy support that pretty much no one can even enter the market. When even Intel can't break into this market, there's no possibility for some underdog coming in and upsetting the big dogs that are getting lazy.
It's not just that the situation sucks, it's that it looks very likely that it's never going to get better barring the AI mania being a bubble that pops and pops in a very ugly way as well.
It sucks that unlike the cryptocurrency craze, which evaporated when dedicated hardware took over, the demand for "AI" is dragging the companies into creating new kinds of hardware that caters to it.
It's like they don't want to miss out on the pivot this time, even if it means leaving their previous audience behind.
@@dakat5131 In contrast to cryptocurrency you can do many useful things with AI (not saying, that people do useful things with AI :D ). But yeah, AI is the price driver. And as pro cards get more and more expensive, so do the gamer cards. AMD and NVIDIA are producing as much as possible pro Cards and fill the rest of their production contingent on gaming cards. Cards like the 4090 probably only exist and sell "that cheap", because of producing many not optimal A6000 dies. That's why NVLink had to go from these cards, as already many small companies or people use gaming cards for AI or HPC. RDNA3 and Ada Lovelace are really great and a huge step forwards technologically and energy efficency wise, but expensive. Not buying these cards as a gamer won't really hurt Nvidia or AMD in the short term. We just have to adapt somehow.
I think it's good, it'll force people to look at handhelds like the deck, which are epic. It's essentially a console that can play PC games. Increased deck adoption would push devs to build games that can play on it.
That's especially true for people that don't live in dollar based countries. $500 is a small fortune. In my country you'd have to work for at least 2 months on a minimum wage without spending money on anything else besides the GPU itself. Realistically, saving some of the wage to buy the graphics card would take about 6 months. It just doesn't make any sense outside of a very specific market, and unfortunately only 2 companies in the world make good GPUs at this point, which's a big part of the problem. IMO the only one worth getting right now is the RX 6600.
I think the biggest irony here is that during the 10 and 20 series Nvidea GPU's and AMD 5000 and 6000 series GPU's PC gaming got so good and so cheap that people started predicting the death of consoles. Consoles actually stepped up their quality a lot to compete both in game cost and in hardware, but when covid happened and prices spiked computer side consoles kept their 100% markup (seriously, you could have an xbox 360 for like 300$ including 1-3 games and 2 controllers, now a single xbox series X alone with one controller runs almost 600$) and won't go down because now even with their extreme markup there is little competition on the PC side. Nobody who isn't already into PC gaming wants to swap to it because the cost is just so ridiculously steep.
The 980 TI was the best. Still had it till last october and i played Elden Ring and The Witcher 3 Full HD max settings without any problem. It lasted me like nine years.
1080 Ti for me absolute Monster still holding strong. But showing its age slowly.
1070 going strong!
@@redbunnyclassicSame for me, I will refuse to replace my gtx 1070 until it dies
With the new RTX version you CAN`T run Witcher 3 with sufficient FPS, no go mate.
Basically, they saw that people were willing to pay scalper prices, so they decided to just sell more expensive GPUs and pretend it was a new generation.
I'm using an old laptop that still has a VGA output, i connected a descent high end CRT to it and i play old games like Half Life 2 at 1600 x 1200 67Hz or modern pixel art (640x480 baby) or 2D indies.
I love CRT monitors and the lack of VGA on current gpus is actually a problem for me instead of being a blessing.
There is a whole niche of people who prefer CRT for gaming and have active forums. VGA to DP or HDMI adapters are cheap and work fine.
@@GrimReaper_sGhost Display port to VGA works, but HDMI is terrible.
Performance uplifts are pretty much irrelevent to the customer; what really matters is better price / performance and current gen is pretty bad at that generally
Yeah, that's why I skipped this gen as well. Waiting for the next one.
Well the LTT video on the Super cards got low view numbers because it was super late and also quite bad (which isn't new for their videos, what is new is that people know about it ever since GN exposed them). But the big problem right now: The world is in some rough economic times, and in times like that "luxury" products like gaming hardware is not one of most people's priority.
super late. lmao
Edit: I see the pun you did there.
That's why I am excited for only low and mid tier GPU releases, hoping we get some great value product... which almost never happens lol. Look at the 3050 6GB, it's like 3040 with a 169 USD price. No extra 6-pin but it ended being such a niche product.
At least it's a godsend thing for me though, my pc's psu can't handle even the arc A580 or rx 6600s or even 3060s, so that 3050 with no pcie power connector is a great sign for us slot in upgrade users. Arc A380 is not really powerful as the 1650 because of optimization issues, and many office pcs are actually midtower sized so it may ended up more popular than our assumptions made it to be lol
It is hard to get excited for a product that will be obsolete in a year.
this more vlog style is great, maybe do such opinion based content more in this in the future. fits quite well imo ^^
The thing is, GPUs are important for games that have super demanding graphics, and those are AAA games that nobody cares about anymore. Not even the devs themselves play AAA games these days.
Don't forger how modern GPUs haven't really improved the hardware as much as they suggest because their higher performance comes from drawing a fuckton more power than GPUs 5 years ago ever did. As opposed to improving the tech, they've mostly just cranked more watts into it.
Feels like how Cell-Saga Trunks looked 'roided up as Super Trunks because he was trying to brute-force Super Saiyan 2 but failed to reach it.
I think the main reason for people not to care is a lot of those games we are getting that are supposed to wow us with their graphics are trash at release. the only thing we have to get excited about is to watch the benchmark number go up then you go back to playing AA single player where the graphics are stylized that does not use all that crap or multiplayer where you turn it off because it is objectively easier to see enemies with it off.
I have a rule.
10 years or 250%.
If the speed is not more than double the speed for a similar or lower price. And/or have passed 10 years since I last updated my PC, No Update.
6950 XT was on sale for 549, it's the best deal I've seen in so long. Not just the performance but owning the top card in a generation without spending 4 figures has been amazing .
Issue is its AMD so it has a crap feature set. You are paying 550 for something that can't even do RT at all well and it's upscaling options are awful so equivilant Nvidia cards shit on it.
Scalpers made graphic card companies realize how much a customer will spend in desperation for the newest tech.
And the mobile phone companies before that..
I don't know if I just suck. In the picture with native, FSR, and DLSS all next to each other, I genuinely cannot tell a difference in anything.
I've been using computers since the 1980's when I was just elementary-school aged child playing green and black screen games on five-inch floppy disk drives, and my latest tech purchase was a gaming mini-pc for less than 1000 without any archaic upgrade ports for old-fashioned gpu cards. Hell, when I got an Xbox X and played it for the first time, and saw someone examine its guts online, I took a look at my last pc gaming rig from 2015 which was struggling, and the other big tech bricks in my closet, and thought, you know, I don't really need anything remotely like this anymore, ever again, and so I spent a lot of time looking at notebook/tablets and mini-pcs. I went ahead and got a mini-pc because high-end tablets are still pricy, and I'm not thinking my mini-pc is 'high-end'--but the reality is the real performance bottlenecks for any resolution less than 4k at this point are in the software not the hardware, and I don't have a 4k TV hooked up to my pc, so I don't really need 120-200fps at 4k resolution for anything. What's the point of taking a modern pc with perfectly good onboard cpu, gpu's that are perfectly circuited to a massive SSD drive and an ample current gen DDR memory set and just throwing a comparable stand-alone gpu-card in it for twice the money? Especially when that onboard system has a hdmi out, built in wireless and bluetooth... what are you actually upgrading when you put extra shit in the upgrade slots for double the cost.
All those upgrade cards actually made sense during major tech-transitions, especially when pc's were 2000, to 5000 brand new, because they were future proofing, and saving money on a new rig. And it probably made since again for the VR guys with that early-gen VR gear being tethered to a pc. But the tether sure as hell isn't going to last long with that tech, if it isn't already over with. I can't put one of these cards into my current gaming pc because it is a mini-pc now, but even if I could, I'd be trading 50 to 100 microwatts of energy usuage for hundreds of kilowatts of energy usage for barely perceptible performance increases, because the mini-pcs essentially have the mobile-tech in them--which is good enough for gaming, hell it's good enough for bombing tanks with drones. Good enough for most things these days actually. You could sync to robotics (they call them drones these days), 3d printers, and smart powertools and musical production gear with a lot of new devices right out of the box. You can stream everything you could possibly want. Play thousands of games on steam. Without modding, without upgrading, without freezing up, all for less than 1000 bucks.
I think the apathy and/or angst with gpu cards is over how archaric and obsolete the ATX and ATX mini architecture is becoming, how redundant it is, and how expensive it is to both buy and run, and for what? Unless someone has multiple 4k screens all snyced up for panaramic simulator level visuals, with heavily modified commercial or military-sim grade software for training or extreme hobby purposes, they don't really need the latest and greatest graphic cards with 3 or 4 cooling fans, because all the basic bitch games are tailored to and benchmarked to the current console generation, and they can run with the standard micro-chipsets that are just built-in. The musical equipment I've bought, and looking to purchase basically has built in computers with touch-screens in them. The tech has become ubiquitous. It's in everything. And it absolutely doesn't have to form itself to big box atx-architecture anymore. Unless you're still buying barebone motherboard kits that need absolutely everything plugged into them.
I'd argue that things got "boring" when the 30xx series prices were announced. You say they were great cards, and that's fine, but prices were through the roof (especially during the pandemic & another crypto boom).
Nvidia's flagship cards used to stay in the same pricing tier every generation, but then the 20xx series came out & bumped up prices across the board. Then they marked it up even more with the 30xx series, and yet again for the 40xx series.
Now that people see where this is going, and Nvidia sees they can get away with it, general consumers stopped caring. We're priced out. The xx80's and xx90's are reserved for the biggest enthusiasts, so now the xx70's are the only "affordable" option for "high end" (lots of "quotes" because it's all so relative).
I pronounce it Tee-Eye, but it does stand for Titanium, so I can understand why people might say Tie.
I got a 7900xt to get 20GB of Vram for AI like SDXL and LLM. If I was only gaming I would probably just have used a 6700xt with fsr or something.
I'm tired of the CPUs and graphics cards coming out every year and only getting a 5% to 10% performance increase. Not worth the money to upgrade.
There are also PC gamers who are saving up for new upgrades to components, who get torn between, getting getting what is perceived to be good value now vs buying early in the new generation of hardware to extend the shelf life of their systems… I get the point of only buying good value, but when the new new comes out, we all want VR in 99k😂
I'm willing to miss out on games that require a better card than what I have when an upgrade will cost me 800+ USD
It felt like a lot of production effort went into this video. Thanks, it was entertaining.
I do hope that RDNA 4 having no high-end dies means AMD will be forced to be very aggressive on pricing for the RX 8000 Series in an effort to maintain / grow brand power - but I have 0% "hype" for that hope because frankly, it's often the case that these companies are so balls deep into what the data and market research says about how they should price their products that they can no longer see the forest for the trees and have forgotten the power and financial rewards of astounding their target market.
You can take Palworld as an example for that. Those devs owe a large portion of their financial success to the very wise decision to sell the game at 1/4th to 1/5th of the price of most new AAA micro-transaction ridden games.
"Astounding value" just translates into "ineffectively priced" in accounting speak in big tech. And that's what I now think of when I think of the Big RGB Three - accountants. Woooo... yay... line go up for corpo...
Bold moves are dead. Publicly traded companies are ruled by short term results.
If leaks are to be believed the 8000 series will max out with the 8800 XT which will deliver 7900 XT-ish performance at 400-600 dollars. Not too exciting considering the 7900 XT is already at 700 dollars right now but maybe the lower end stuff will surprise us.
@@lennartj.8072 An 8800 XT for $399 would be a smash hit if it had the same amount of VRAM as the 7900 XT. Or an RX 8600 12GB for $220.
There are lots of options, essentially all AMD has to do is duplicate one of Hardware Unboxed's reviews and use the cost per frame data to set MSRPs so that the value is top of the pack by a substantial margin.
One of the major problems with these graphics cards and PC’s is they are often getting more performance by using more power. In a world where the heating is getting expensive for people to keep on. Building computers that use as much power as a bar on an electric heater seems dumb. The graphic doesn’t just need to be better value for money, they also need to be MUCH better value per-watt. Apple are pointing in the right direction per-watt but needing a mortgage to buy an unrepairable computer that no games are made for is it’s self a problem.
Asus TUF 4070 Ti Super costs $1440 in my country. I bought a 4070 a few months ago, the dual OC version from Asus, and I paid $720 for it. I thought i would be able to upgrade to a 4070 ti super, but these prices are insane. Keep in mind that im from Romania, a much poorer country based on gdp and minimum salary.
For me the following ruined GPUs for me
(1) Price to performance - as stated in the video it's hard to get excited over a new release when it is priced much higher than its previous generation and the performance increase is marginal.
(2) Mining and scalpers - I'm not mad at miners. I'm mad at scalpers who buy out stocks of GPUs when mining currency spikes and resell them at mind boggling prices. I remember when gamers had to get bots to monitor reseller inventory and buy a card. Mind you the price was still terrible and people were getting what they could get not what they actually wanted. I don't look forward to the next time this comes around again. It already happened twice now.
(3) Gaming isn't that great anymore - maybe it's just me looking back with rose colored glasses. But back when 1080ti was launch games were still bangers and didn't ask for more money. Games came out the works mostly finished and not half-baked. Developers actually tried to make good games and not cash grabs. I've been gaming on my 970 because I can play on the games I like with it. AAA games coming out now are not great. Developers are taking the flop now succeed later with updates approach that doesn't work. We have Indie titles beating out AAA titles; thats crazy. Look at Rust and look at Anthem and Battlefield 2024. It's something out of a comedy. I'm in the process of getting a new card just now because I need one to play Helldivers 2. Because it's actually worth buying a new card for me. For others it's other games. But that's what it boils down to. If games generally suck people are less likely to play games. When people don't play games they don't need video cards for gaming. Maybe NVIDIA saw this and jumped ship to AI. 🤷
Why is nobody mentioning the rampant inflation as the root cause of this? USA had printed a lot of dollars in the last few years. $500 in 2024 is equivalent of $300 pre-covid. That's why your new good value card is in $500 range. Forget about $300 prices forever
First of all I'm pretty sure you're wildly exaggerating those numbers, second the root causw of this is the gold rush for crypto first and now AI, since GPU compute power is needed in droves for both
Why should I bother? My RTX 3060 TI runs Cyberpunk on Ultra on 1080p. The next step would be buying a new monitor, an expensive GPU, and a new CPU to properly take advantage of the new GPU. All that for enhanced visuals that barely change the overall experience once immersed in the game.
what´s a graphics card?
Ever since half life alyx launched in 2020 and I got my rtx 2060 I've never felt like I'll need to upgrade my gpu in the coming years. How do I know? I might have a 1080p monitor but I just bought both Tekken 8 and Persona 3 Reload and they both work amazingly with almost no tweaks (despite Tekken 8's recommends at least RTX 2070). And you might say I didn't pick demanding games but I don't play games to crunch numbers, I leave that to work.
People are not caring because Nvidia and AMD have kept their prices high after the crypto boom and bust, they still seem to think gamers are willing to pay a ridiculous price for a GPU.
We're gamers, not miners.
They sort of are in Europe tho; the 4070 Super and the 4070Ti Super both got sold out very easily in a bunch of countries here (not sure about ALL of them but from what I read, people pay big money for the new gpus - and they're even more expensive here than in the US, like a 4070 ti super was $830 converted where I live, NOT AT ALL $600)
Yet people still keep buying them or companies (sadly can't win against that) otherwise they wouldn't cost as much right now while we speak, we don't see a massive discounts happening.
Somebody is still willing to pay this much.
Nvidia and AMD have kept their prices high, because gamers are willing to pay a ridiculous price for a GPU...
the era of mining is over now is the era of gen A.I is multiple times worse than mining for pc gamer
@@Zaefnyr Moore's Law is Dead has reported that the Super series was released in small numbers, especially the 4070Ti Super. Selling out in this volume is not impressive.
When crypto miners started buying gpus like there is no tomorow, was the day gpu companies discovered a infinite money glitch
Well, now it’s finite i guess
@@paulmark992 well with bitcoin going back up to $70k today, you might have said that too soon. Fingers crossed it crashes again...
@@paulmark992 nah A.I is the new money printing
Nowadays it's hard to get your hands on a 4090. The recent AI fad means that they sell like hotcakes. Which is ridiculous considering that it's a $2000+ GPU in most markets. I'm interested to see what happens when the AI bubble bursts.
Are we gonna get 4090s for dirt cheap when the crappy companies die off?
@@masterkamen371don’t think they going nowhere probably as the better it get will need more power
People stopped caring cause the prices went off the roof. Sub 700$ there's basically nothing you couldn't get similar performance on last generation cards for about similar amount of money. And sub 500$ is even worse. Just adding more vram doesnt make a card worth buying if the raster performance is within margin of error from last gen
Are you stupid???😂😂😂 Or you thing that 3090ti is really last generation or flagship of 30 series??? The true flagships of 30 series where 3090 and 3080, 3090ti was added in the last month! Of 30 series!
You have 4070, 4070 super that beat 3080, and 4070 super is like 3090. 4070ti and 4070ti super beats even that fake flagship of 30 series the 3090ti, and 4080 and 4080 super is 25%-30% batter than 3090ti(again the fake flagship of 30 series), 4090 is 60% better than 3090ti(again the fake flagship of last generation). It's a legendary generation.
And oftentimes you don't even get more vram this generation, you in fact get less.
Yep
based
but bruh, you get this amazing l3 cache that totally makes up for having 2017 vram paired with 2005 bus width!@@256shadesofgrey
that's a freaking point. a mid range card now costs more than a ps5
Well the PS5 is kinda below average now being that most games struggle at even doing 4k not just 60fps. So these so called mid range gpus are actually way better than a PS5 which is like two generations old in graphics performance. The 4070 super is waaaaaaaay better than a PS5, hell it would be awesome if the PS5 had something similar to a 4070 super in it.
@@ghstbstr Windows games no longer look better on an RTX XX70 card than they do on a ps5, and i have a 3090 (which is a tad bit better than a 4070).
No one games at 4K (it's a thoroughly stupid idea on any display smaller than ~40") and steam hardware stats demonstrate that (3.78%)
@@BOZ_11
I play at 4k because my PC, PS5, XboxSX are are connected to my 65in uhdtv. So don't say no one.
@@ghstbstr Yep, when a Nvidia 60 series card like the 4060 beats out the PS5, then you've gotta ask can a PS5 even judged as being equivalent to a mid-range GPU anymore. I'd now call the PS5 as being equal to a upper budget range GPU at best. TBH, at launch it was judged as being equivalent to a mid to lower mid-range GPU, so it's no surprise that it's slipped down the stack a fair bit during that time.
Also a 4060, 6700 and 6700XT will all beat out the PS5 in most scenarios and all of them can be picked up for $330 or under. Which is not exactly more costly than a PS5.
@@BOZ_11 Most PS5 games use a mix of medium or high graphic settings, whilst a PC can go full hog and use Ultra settings across the board. Admittedly, it's not as huge a leap as it used to be in the past, simply because we've now reached a point of "realism" in games, where any improvements are just harder to make out and only look more minor. The closer that graphics get to looking realistic, then the less noticeable any improvements to them will become.
However, one bonus to having more powerful GPU's on PC, is the higher frame rates and higher resolutions that they bring. Let's face it, the consoles are only mid cycle on their generation and we are already seeing several games on them now running in resolutions below 1440p (down to 720p at times) and frame rates capped at 30fps. On PC, pretty much only the most strapped for cash PC gamer or those with a PC Handheld would even put up with playing games in 30fps, these days.
The GPUs are only one side of the problem. I personally hate that games are becoming more demanding without looking significantly better than games that are 5-10 years old at this point. For example the comparison between Suicide Squad and Arkham Knight really showed that some studios are even going backwards in their graphics quality, while the system requirements are still going higher.
That's honestly a really good point. I want to watch a video on that!
Its because they replaced all the genius coders with various woke idiots that can barely code but as everyone is equally idiotic they don't see the problems.
Its so hard to find the old school genius coders who lived for it, now you have most people just doing it as a job with no passion because they think they will get rich.
Also gaming has become a factory for making money and nothing else, so you do see people trying new things when they can just churn out call of duty 35 and the idiots buy this garbage up. When is the last time a game like Thief 1 and 2 came out that were amazing.
I just started playing starfield and its just boring and empty, its garbage.
i guess the optimization becoming lazier?
@@mrmm1110 optimization is a thing of the past, the ya gotta pay to play thing is obvious with games but the lack of 'optimization' on the gpu and games sides are more glaring than that now aday..
nothing hurts more than knowing you dropped $1000+usd on a gpu(which struggled with driver issues for over a year to perform proper in VR while being touted as a flagship card!!$#~! *cough* 7900xtx *cough* 🤦♂ ) to find out it's struggling with games more so because of optimization.. its almost like after the rx580/gtx1080ti(2017) days we've been buying an unfinished product for too much money with bandaid fixes or shell out and buy the next generation flagship to get the BS we're promised.(*WHICH DOESNT HAPPEN LOL*)
@@ATomRileyAI thought it was just me, as a 38 year old I’ve seen it all in gaming. Almost all games that come out now bore the ever living crap out of me.
I think I’ve become Jaded knowing how far the gaming industry has fallen.
I used to wish for the days it would stop being nerdy and be more mainstream. Now I wish it was niche again and every e girl on the planet wasn’t trying to become a streamer by playing apex legends all day.
Here laid the reasons
1. AAA Games Sucks
2. Graphics cards are money grabs
3. Good Games are not that demanding
and good games are not being made, its mostly casino style mobile now. They love to make stores and DLC's but they hate to polish and release a complete game.
@@sergiolandz6056right I played doom 3 and oblivion for the first time in 2023 and stray was great imo
imo, the only good game thats demanding is 100% alan wake 2. if you’re playing on pc and want to play alan waks 2, i’d atleast have a 3070 or higher to have one of the best gaming experiences imo. alan wake is so fucking good man…
@@kaishajacobye ill check alan wake when the 5060 comes out
@@SupG-oy4le you wont regret it! while alan wake 2 has a bad rep in the pc world for being “unoptimized”, i’d say its like the crysis 2013 situation where it took up to i think the GTX 10 series to run crysis at max setting? this is the same situation as alan wake 2. doesnt defeat the fact that it is an absolute underrated gem.
There's a problem when a single component costs as much as every other component combined.
true. this is rape in daylight.
I'm new to GPUs, just starting to look at a gaming PC over gaming consoles. From what I gather, it seems since 2020 that maybe the makers out there are just putting out something of minimal improvement over the last gen, hoping to get a bunch of buyers, then releasing something a little better to get the braggers and always-have-to-have-the-newest card out there, rinse and repeat.
Last week I pulled the trigger on an open-box 4060 Ti 16GB OC for $415. I'm hoping this gets me a decent entry level experience on an old budget Xeon E5 build.
@@Shadow_Banned_Conservative
10 years ago, that tier of card should have never been higher than $300.
The recent overpriced stagnation kills me.
Here's to making my 2070 last another four years...
That's kind of the thing though... a GPU is basically just a separate computer that you plug into your main computer.
A GPU board has the processor core, attached to a main board that has power delivery and I/O, through which the RAM is attached, and there's a cooler slapped on so the thing doesn't melt itself. That's basically the core of any other computer.
Then you just get a PSU to feed your main computer and the small computer attached to it, some storage to store files to feed both computers, and a case to throw it all in.
And if you've budgeted well, since gaming is, generally speaking, GPU limited, you're buying a higher end graphics specialized computer than your main computer.
The current market is definitely overpriced at the moment... but it shouldn't be that strange for a GPU to cost more than the rest of your core components combined. You are, essentially, buying two computers.
This is why I shop AMD, got my 5700XT Nitro+ on sale for an absolute steal like 4 years ago and have been enjoying it ever since. Buying higher end or even top end cards from NVIDIA is a waste imo...
AMD always has better bang for the buck in raw performance. "b-but ray-tracing and DLSS!!" DLSS really only works half the time, and doesn't make up the difference if you can get in an AMD card that's 30% better in raw performance for less money. On top of that damn near everyone I've spoken to turns ray-tracing off to get more FPS over a few extra reflections and shadow's, even with 4080's in their rig they still turn it off.
I've considered upgrading to a 7900 XTX but there's honestly no real need, I can count on one hand the number of games I've ran into that forced my 5700XT to drop setting from Ultra to High. That's also a reason why GPU's don't matter anymore, we've kinda hit a wall with graphics in games, most current gen game aren't a massive leap over last gen, most people like me that had a decent rig 5+ years ago aren't looking at their system in new game and going: "damn I really NEED an upgrade."
When people are systematically priced out of a market within just a handful of years they tend to have a mostly negative view of said market.
2nd hand 3070s are the best bang for buck atm
@@Truthseeker-iz3dj You mean those garbage from digging rigs?
We don't care about it in Brazil anymore simply because no one can buy them. Like, we earn anywhere between 9 to 19x less than other countries yet at best case scenario possible, we pay 2,5x the MSRP of everything, at bad scenarios... well, equivalent to YEARS of rent and more than 2 cars would cost, enough to buy a high-grade super bike. We earn barely enough to pay for electricity alone, let alone paying months of rent or even years of it on a computer part. Imagine a 4080 costing $4000 MINIMUM while you earn about $290 a month. Yeah, it is THIS bad outside the US and why PC gaming is not as popular as it should be. It's a rich people-only hobby.
This is way too real. People outside America earn more than two times less than them while paying twice or more their prices.
For any Americans reading this, imagine a 4080 costing $4000, that's the converted price you pay BEST CASE SCENARIO if you live outside the US.
It’s literally because of your government. You guys have ridiculous tariffs on electronics that serve no benefit besides keeping the population years (if not a decade) behind technologically.
@@johnmoore1495 they do everything possible so the country produces as little as possible. It has been proven time and time again what makes a country productive, yet they take the exact OPPOSITE ways of making things better. Also, they always give the same excuse for these unfair and abusive taxes, saying that it is to protect the "national industry", I am missing the part where brazil has ever produced eletronics in its whole existence. Let alone the most important and advanced eletronics on the planet.
@@wallachia4797 Imagine paying $4000+ for a computer part while you earn on average $290/$300 a month... this country makes people SICK. We are beyond done with this place and all this bs. I still remember when a 3090 was costing over $7000... a 3080 $3000... we earn from $290 to $300 on average... people are só DONE with brazil. In a while we are gonna have to pay taxes to breathe. We work 5 months a year just to pay taxes... this place is unbelievable, it's so bad most people would refuse to believe how bad this place is and call bs on the allegations.
@@POLARTTYRTM yeah it makes no sense when you have no tech industry to begin with. Honestly tariffs really only work when you’re a top country putting tariffs on a country with low power, otherwise it gets incredibly messy due to retaliation.
The reason the GPU market is cooling off is that significant performance upgrades are hidden behind a paywall too steep for the majority of the enthusiasts.
The fact that prices cuts spontaneously happen when inventory becomes an issue is adding insult to the injury and amplify the customers dissatisfaction with the major brands.
It will become fashionable to root for Intel ARC when they get their performance on par.
It's cooling off because these companies failed to realize a nice portion of their sales were rich people trying to mine bitcoin. Now that THAT has cooled off, their sales dropped.
If gamer gpus don't sell, can Nvidia just use fab production space to make professional GPUs? It's the same die size right? for like mid-range cards at least? I say this because there is no point for Nvidia to cater to gamers if the margins are just better for professionals, apart from market share. Sure HMB2 memory is more costly but that's in the price. I suspect we will see gamer gpu sales continue to drop in the earnings reports.
At this point high end PC gaming is reserved for people with a job willing to invest that much into their hobby.
Which excludes quite a number of young people.
@@Thund3rstone, do you think that "old people" are the ones buying expensive cards? I guarantee you, it's certainly not us blue-collar "old people".
indeed, the new flagship from nvidida for companies is a freaking beast. And no, 99.999999% of the consumers won't buy it since it costs around €50000.
I haven't upgraded my GPU since 2018. Whatever happened to $200-350 midrange cards?
For real no need to . It's mostly hype and what's the point if the game AAA😂 is going to be a broken bugs mess
they're still 400 to 700 dollars for midrange cards... its called inflation bud... rtx 3070 is ~500 usd. seems fair to me.
Bro I love paying more while wages are stagnant and purchasing power decreases everyday. I'm glad It's just inflation and it's fair :). They definitely aren't scamming us
@@mnemonix1315 And that's fine if you make 6 figures or have literally zero expenses. But when the GPU, CPU, FoodPU, GasPU, MortgagePU, etc are all shooting up at the same time, gaming is the first thing that's going to get neglected... DLSS is the only reason I can run modern AAA games, not that it even matters since everything I play these days that isn't Elden Ring will run on a TI83 Plus, lol
I bought a 4060 for $300 recently (upgraded from the legendary 1070) and am happy with it so far, got me 75fps in CP77 with high raytracing which would have been unheard of a few years back. While it does suck we don't see the incremental improvements for so cheap that we used to, I think things are a lot better than all the doomsayers are making it out to be. I guess the fact I work with AI sometimes, and have to do rendering type stuff that heavily benefits from the AI crap on the cards, makes it a sweeter deal. Let's face it, the time of cheap hardware improvements like in the 2000s is pretty much over. Same with graphics, graphics have barely improved at all in 10 years outside of RT
Should I buy a 5090 for $5000cad when they drop or should I put the money towards a down payment on a house?
Can’t wait for the card to be 3999$ usd and then become 6500$ cad because nvidia loves to suck people dry.
A mere house? With 5090 money, you could get a lakeside mansion.
you could buy 10 5090s for $5000 before you could put a down payment on a house in Canada lmaoo
its better to save wt u have and leave before its too late, I guess 😅😅
My comment got deleted damn
Nvidia discovered that selling GPUs as luxury products makes them more money even if they sell less due to margins.
exactly, and look at their market cap, trillion dollar company, you dont get there with giving people a good deal.
This happened in a lot of a different areas of consumerism. But there seems to be a trend back towards budget friendly products. I think we will see a shift in the market in the next 5 years. Currently the GPU market is inaccessible to new entry level builders and they are a huge share of the market, and companies don't want to leave that money on the table. so they will be coming for the budget minded builders pockets soon.
You do realize you're buying supercomputers
exactly
True, a GPU 4090 for 2.300$ you can get a great profit in that...BUT...there are 2 problems:
1º You have a super resource for play "games" and watch porno (Inefficient market), its like a buy a truck for go to the supermarket (Trucks sellers are so happy of course).
2º They are expelling the gaming community from the PC, so it is not surprising that the world of video games on mobile phones has exploded in the last years.
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In India, you can buy a 4k 55" TV + big fridge + front load washing machine for the price of 4080. And for 4090 price, you can buy a good used car.
facts.
The tax on these cards over here is just insane! Over 10k( over 120$) just in tax.
Whoa! That's low cost of living there.
@@MellowWater double that for Pakistan 😭
like i said no one cares because it "costs" to much nowadays
I'm an old gamer, and the main thing I've changed over the years is my patience level. I have conquered my FOMO, and am now never an early adopter of anything involving computer hardware or games. Let everyone else pay to beta test games and gear.
bang on the money!
I have the same philosophy it's always better to be one step back.
Also, every just released M$FT OS is a beta for about 3 years.
Yeah, at 31, I’m starting to feel that way too. It’s all just a scam to get you to buy the latest card. If you’re at 60fps on 1080p, you’re probably doing just fine. That’s what consoles are at anyway. I honestly don’t play all that much anymore. I still play games with my son, but I’ve pretty much replaced my own video games with computer hacking. I have been emulating the RE1 remake on dolphin these past couple days tho, I don’t study when I’m sick like I have been 😂 It’s kinda crazy how much more love was put into old games. The new ones are all just micro transactions and cash grabs for “AAA” studios.
@@countvonthizzle9623 that’s why I use Linux. Ever since steam came out with the steam deck (steam OS is Linux), Linux gaming has REALLY improved. Even some of the best titles run better through proton than they do on windows.
Everyone remembers the abuse video card companies did to their customers during the last crypto boom.
i.e. Selling in bulk to miners while claiming they are not.
My favorite was companies scalping their own customers with their own products. Yeah, we haven't forgotten that either.
yep, just don't buy them its the easy yet people will pay anything for 5 FPS.
Lol wait so basically they kept giving us inflated prices for gpus cause they were out....because they were purposely selling to miners, that's beautiful...-.-
gamer need to realize that the world is not running around them
Its killed any passion i had in PC gaming. I'm like whatever at this point. Will very likely just keep running my 2 Dell Optis with 1050s until AMD comes out with an APU that pushes out RX 580 tier graphics. IDAGF anymore.
There are no games coming out anyway and 4K at 120hz does absolutely nothing to excite me. I grew up in the 80s and 90 when real graphical leaps were happening.
We are not looking for better graphics anymore, we're just looking for a stable performance in today's gaming era, because companies expect graphic cards to fix the lack of polishment they deliver to their own games
I used to be so much into gaming but lately the industry has been doing a great job at making me not want to come back. Looking at game prices, shameless live service games, gpu prices. The industry is pushing me away and I doubt I am alone feeling like this.
I agree completely. Besides the bad value for money of cards, there just aren't compelling games to play that require such powerful cards. I'm still rockin a 2060 and it ran that abomination Bethesda released last year no problem.
I feel that, it's why I have stuck to indie games so much. Big studios are just not cutting it, and so many indies can run on old hardware no problem
same, thats why i have mostly played indie games since the ps2 era ended. Other than some specific games from companies that show some good will, no way im "buying" (renting) some bs "AAA" game thats full of gambling mechanist to try to manipulate me into paying more than its worth and also full of DRM
Exactly
I felt like you last year but indie and AA game companies have really re-ignited my love for good games.
What killed my interest was the scalpers buying up all the inventory and charging insane prices for it. When the card makers saw how much the scalpers were getting, they said we want a bunch more too. I'm just riding out my old build till it dies, it's running everything I do just fine for now.
I just got a i7 8700 32 GB RAM with 1080ti build for $500 USD not seeing a need to switch for another 5 years at least
NVIDIA 2060 here, 3 years with it, I can play 4k games and i won't change it soon.
@@David-ck2dc Ayy, another 1080 Ti brother. In fact we have very similar PC specs builds. And yeah I don't plan on upgrading.
@@SuperFriendBFGI have the MSI Seahawk 1080ti, which one you got bro?
@David-ck2dc ASUS Prime Z890-A, with an 8086 (Basically a 8700K AFAIK).
Having to spend $500 for a decent performing GPU is the definition of BAD value.
greediness and monopolies - price fixing between the two giants.
I bought a windoforce GTX 980 with 500 euros ( meaning taxes too) back in 2014...
@@niklazz7037Hopefully Intel joining the GPU game can create some real competition and lower prices. The Arc A770 was solid value from all the videos and reviews I've seen about it, so the upcoming Battlemage line could be big.
it's 2 days of work for you, it's half of my monthly salary, I'd say it's good value for you.
Last time GPUs were exciting was with pascal and Polaris in 2016 Your mid range GTX 1060 and RX 480 were stronger and had as much or more VRAM than OG GTX Titan, a $1k extreme card from 2013.
Those cards continue to be extremely popular 8 years since then. I think we are on the same situation we were when Intel had no competition and was slacking on the CPU front (2012 - 2017)
the flying saucer ends up being a Frisby🤣🤣🤣
Graphics cards mattered 1993-2012... now, not so much
for real. like you said when new affordable gpus come out, people get interested because most fellas COULD BUY THEM. Now getting refurbished 2nd hand seems to be smarter since theyre cheaper, which results in less interest for new cards
@@engineeringVirtue considering new gpu's are starting to crack from their own weight and melting their power cable's apu's are the future my friend they are catching up to gpu's rapidly now and won't crack under their own weight🤣🤣🤣
I think that one thing that nobody discusses is how better and better performance of graphic cards is no longer used to deliver actual better looking graphics, but to enable the software developers to get away with more sloppy code, models and bloat. And I got some great examples of it.
Paradox Interactive makes their game on Clausewitz Engine 3 since 2019. All the new engine really did was to add 3D rendering to their map strategy games.
In 2019 with their first game on it Imperator:Rome it was running smoothing on my 1050ti. But since then I could see the gradual decrease of performance in their newer releases.
The last major update to Crusader Kings 3 (a map game, with low fidelity character models) somehow causes my graphic card to choke, and I'm basically forced to play on minimal settings.
A similar thing goes for games like Witcher 3 after the Ray Tracing update, they haven't changed anything but the game now runs like shit and actually looks worse without the ray tracing because they had removed the ambient occlusion options.
There are probably loads of other games that you could find, where the developers don't bother to optimise it, these days just because "It runs good on our hardware". Even though, an average player has no reason to upgrade their graphics card unless all they want is to play new AAA releases.
Unreal Engine 5 has turnkey "make game look good" settings such as Lumen, and most developers use commercial assets which are designed to look good and not to perform well. This means making a good looking but heavy game is basically the default, or you can put a ton of money into making it run better. The choice is obvious.
Same with game sizes being unreasonably too large now, all a consequence of the lack of optimization.
TRUE TRUE TRUE
Yep, PC gamers are subsidizing bad optimization.
We actually have a bigger problem like underwhelming releases like Starfield. if the games that require faster GPUs suck then no need to buy a faster GPU. plus with the cost of living increasing. for Nvidia or Amd to get people interested again they will need to significantly improve the price-to-performance ratio on entry-level GPUs.
Games are also terribly optimized nowadays, because gaming companies don't care about quality and just wanna make as much money as fast as possible. So the consumer is stuck, especially at the midrange, playing games at 1080p for the past 6~7 years.
the issue is that games and screens got more demanding then the best gpu's can provide.
when granking the graphic up and running on my double udh display i get 25 to 35fps at best.
almost feels like 2k again lol
@@JonoSSD It's not even "making money" for the big ones, its increasing the stock value explosively.
They're under control of the shareholders etc and those people demand an absurd growth of the company value no matter the stability or viability of it.
And if the company folds under the massive stupidity of the whole thing? they sold their stocks 15 minutes before it, and its time to find a new victim.
people pay more than 1000$ for a fucking smartphone.. which costs 250$ in production. thats what the VRAM of a 4090 costs
Starfield runs fine on my Xbox Series X
People hate it because the fundamentals of gaming has changed. It's no longer fun gaming hobby but a constant job like cash grab. Every game treats you like it's your job to play them.
On top of that, the hardware itself is no longer fun. Everything is exciting until you look into the price which makes it no longer exciting. Imagine the 4070ti coming in at 600$. It totally can. That would have bought in the excitement again.
4070 super is 4070 ti at $600
@@nttinvis No, the 4070 super should be 500$. The 3080 is 90% of its performance so it would only make sense if the 4070 Super is 500$. Thats how the 3070 was priced and so was the 2070.
@@nttinvis The 7900XT is now at 700$ which is finally the right price. It costs the same as the 6800XT/3080 and performs 40% faster. The right generational leap. Similarly the 7800XT is on the 3080 12GB level and costs 500$. Perfect pricing.
I agree the live service model has been a disaster for console and pc gaming. I despized it way back when it was prevelent in the mobile market with gacha games and a bunch of non gamers in suits just want to cram it in everything because $$$.
@@einstien2409 ik i only said that is the price... i wish it was less
1. Lackluster improvements from generation to generation if any (while costing significantly more).
2. The total lack of focus on the budget and midrange cards that 95% customers go for (xx50, xx60, xx70).
3. The complete lack of touch with reality. GPU manufacturers still think we're in 2020 and people are willing to pay obscene prices for a GPU.
yeah, I mean the lack of new revolutionary features with the gnu's it just pathetic and the cost is sky rocketing. the new feature now days are just rehashes of the old ones nothing new comes out any more like shadow play was new a long time ago they promise us ai but where is it as a free download nowhere to be found.
Bro we had a huge global inflation. Basically speaking every country went full socialism mode and printed loads of money.
Everything is more expensive. Have you checked food prices prior 2020 and now?
Blame the politicians and their socialist ideas
@@visitante-pc5zc yeah good luck on that idea kiddo with your playschool printer they just added a bunch of money to the online banking system eliminating the need to print more money out cause don' Tcha know moneys expensive to print easier just to add ones and zeros in the banks computers
@@visitante-pc5zc yeah but that turned out to be a lie
to hike up prices
@@visitante-pc5zc Look, kid, it's not mandatory to comment
I stopped caring when "entry level" GPU's started at $400. Rolling my 1080Ti until the day I find a game I really want that won't play on it.
I just built a 4770k 1080ti build And I only want to switch out my hard drives for a ssd. The newest I'll ever go is a 2080ti, but only for a new build much later.
I'm still rocking my RX580. Will overclock it before shelling out $500 for a card that doesn't do anything extra.
i kept hanging onto a 1070 ti for six years after it launched, I only recently upgraded, going all the way to the RTX 4090. but I also use the 4090, for what its really intended for, professional grade animation work. and when it comes to 3d animation, time is money and the less time spent waiting for the computer to render, the better. thus for a 3d animator, flagship cards make sense. Though i do agree, prices are still too high.
Nvidia and AMD constantly advertise their flagship cards as gaming cards, but the truth is, they are just way too overpowered for that. The only reason I an think of for a gamer to get a flagship GPU is if they dont want to replace it for ten years.
1080 TI whore here. My monitor is 1080 144hz, no point in me updating unless i go all the way. And since I dont hardcore game anymore I probably wont until this rig dies.
Same lol 😊
Not much else to worry about with a water cooled 4090.
Also, that view count theory is incorrect. The YT platform is overly saturated these days. All of those views are spread out over 1,000 fold more channels covering the same exact topic. I’m not going to watch different channels say the same thing about a the same graphics card.
Yeah the person blowing 2k on a GPU probably doesn't particularly care about anything but the absolute best.
I have the best 360aio water-cooled 4090 you can buy before going custom, and I want something better. *shrug* Yes it's a beast, but we're not done at 4k. VR needs more. AI needs more. The industry needs people buying GPU's to help move things along.
@bro6842I think mine's going for $2500 now, but I got it on launch day for $2k. No regrets. Yes, I'm an adult making adult money so a GPU is cheap compared to lots of other things. Not bragging, because I was broke before as well, but there is definitely a market for top-tier stuff, even if it's small. It's a beast for VR, AI and rendering too, not just gaming.
Me chilling with the legendary gt740m 😎
cause some companies bring out games not even PC GPUs can handle, than say "you need to upgrade".., wtf??
No, those games are heavily unoptimized. Theyre just being lazy
*then say
@@EvilNeonETC or people forget there is an options tap you dont need to play at ultra high on everything all the time
@@pingvingaming games that even when run on low settings with adequate hardware, still underperform, silly :p
@@pingvingaming OP is referring to starfield. An objectively poorly made and horrendously optimized game. But thats far from the only new game with the same issue.
Dude I've been watching you for a while and recently I've seen you really kick your production value in high gear. By a lot. Don't stop grinding man, it's very noticeable and it's paying off. Much love.
Agreed same here, been watching Vex for awhile now, his production quality has really gotten better and looking top notch.
Not only the things you said, but on top of that, most modern AAA games are just unimpressive, so ultimately it leaves us asking why should we care to spend increasing prices on GPUs to play games that aren't even that fun (and want to further drain our wallets)?
this, my friend just built a nice new pc. spent around what i spent for mine, he will realize soon that theres no point in spending 2k+ on a pc with how new games are currently running
@@Swampyballs69 yeah, i mostly play emulation, indies and Vintage Story + HEAVLY modded java Minecraft, triple A are just story boring games mostly.
I realy miss the psvita/psp/3DS and console double A games.
Yeah video games and graphics cards are like hot dogs and hot dog buns. You don't usually buy one without the other.
If I'm playing indie games which are basically all low poly because those are the games that are actually fun then I don't need a new graphics card. People don't buy games to have another performance test on their cars they buy them to play them and have fun, the graphics of the game are only a small portion of that.
Because now you can finaly run Crysis.
@@DarkusObscurius same i emulate all the time and play games that arent even demanding lolol
Never upgrade your GPU way ahead of you with 1050Ti still kicking
Exactly! If it works, then why bother?
GPU'S have become like phones.
Be rich - Nvidia/AMD
Fr I kinda forgetting what IPhone is out now is on 16?
Except phones are kinda necessary but gpus are mostly for leisure (gaming for the most part) and if it stresses you out(prices) more than giving you a fun time it ain't leisure
gpus are much worst than phones. idk about you but people can usually get phones for next to nothing per month ona contract with their service provider making phones alot more accessible to everyone. where as with gpus you have to pay these ridiculous high prices upfront.
it worst.
There is a reason why the most popular GPUs on Steam hardware survey is RTX 3060 & GTX 1650. For majority of normal people there is simply no reason to buy anything with more performance when a high end GPU costs as much as entire PC with mid range GPU included. Soon situation will get even weirder as with AMD 8000G APUs, it will also be hard to justify buying entry level GPU at all. There are also things like power consumption and performance per watt which are also kinda terrible. High end GPUs can use like 300 - 400 watt on its own and if you game regularly, then it translates to huge electricity bills that are kinda unjustified, since all you are really getting by using high end gpu is higher resolution & ray tracing. But the $ cost is not worth it. On the opposite side we got a Steam Deck that uses less than 15 watts and can play anything within acceptable performance. During GTX 980 & GTX 1080 era, high end GPUs actually made perfect senses. Heck, if you have one of those cards there is no reason for you to upgrade (unless GPU dies & you have to replace it, but you will most likely end up with 4060 or 7600, and not something high end). PC gaming had never been this delaminated.
I own a $1000 6GB GTX Titan(Kepler era, 2013) I’m only now upgrading to a 16GB 4070 Ti Super, and only because it can’t run modern AI software like Stable Diffusion.
Otherwise it’s lasted 11 years of constant daily use and was plenty good for older gaming titles as well.
@@glenyoung1809 Wow
we need budget cards again, like 4030, 4050 and 7400, 7500 XT and they have to perform better than the 780M in the 8700G and it needs to start aat 220€ as much
The 8000G series can't even beat an rx570 which is like 50usd on the used market. They aren't that impressive.
Wherever i hear people asking about PC's mainly for their kids and gaming, the games specified are Minecraft, Fortnite and Roblox. You don't need a 2000-3000$ build with the latest and powerful GPU for those...
People play all sorts of games, the indie scene is big too, a lot of Steam games have low requirements. And even the latest and brightest are playable on mid to low specs new-ish PC's.
Remember back in the long-long-ago time of the mid-2010s when mid-range GPUs for regular consumers with regular sized wallets only costed around $200-$400 dollars, and you got great performance to run the current generation of games for the next couple of years?
That's the difference between being young and excited to build a system around such a value beast and a Zimmer frame.
My budget even now for a GPU is 240$.
I simply wait it out and buy used.
Got a 1 yo used 3060ti for 230$ a few months ago and it's all I need for my needs.
Plus I never fell for the 4k marketing shills and their push to convince me to upgrade to 4k.
3060ti for 1080p is a freaking beast.
All super smooth sailing as I target 1080p/high/60fps settings.
Also don't fall for the Ray tracing nonsense unless you have money to burn on the top end gfx cards.
@@main_stream_media_is_a_joke Still, it used to be that such a budget could buy you the equivalent graphics card brand new. Now you have to wait for it to become available used at such a price.
@@main_stream_media_is_a_joke 60 fps is great for single player, on competitive games your dead before the enemy is rendered, try something like war thunder at 60 fps then at 400.
@@outtheredude I get your point but things being what they are, a 1 yo well maintained gfx card(still with 3+ years warranty) is in my books a freaking amazing deal as compared to the ridiculously priced mid range "latest" gfx cards for $400/500+.
@@GoonyMclinux You may be right but since I play only SP games.... MP performance does not matter for me.
I remember building my first computer several years back and a ~ $340 CPU and a ~ $560 GPU (7700K & 1080) where pretty much the best of the best back then...
Man how things have changed... for the worse 😐
Edit: The prices are roughly estimates from SEK to USD.
I live in Sweden and our stuff is always $100- $300 more expensive, except for cpu's, they're mostly the same price as in the US, for example.
I'm still using that combo 🤣
@@mikaboshia Mine still works to this day 👌😂
Regurlar maintence and some improvements have kept it alive and have served me well! I delidded the CPU and regurlary switched out the thermal paste.
Heck, the gpu even survived getting the liquid metal treatment, which bas a bad idea, don't do that people 😅😂
Some liquid metal shortet out 1 or 2 vram chips but after thorough cleaing it worked again! Unbelievable right?
Now the pc lives with my sister. She isn't a "hardcore" gamer so she doesn't play nearly as often as I do.
Also she enjoys older games alot more so she's pretty happy with the pc.
And on another note there's the problem with modern games, most of them atleast. They honestly Suck.
I started playing Minecraft in the Alpha/Beta days, and still play it to this day. And I mostly enjoy Singleplayer titles.
Bottom line is, upgrading to newer hardware is more of a hobby than a neccesity, an expensive one at that.
Most of the hardware I've bought since is used.
@@mikaboshia The 1070 is still really good if you don't care about RT which is something I really like about the 10 series GPUs
@@snowythecolaaddict I got a nice ultra wide 1440p monitor during black Friday. So I need some vram. Lol my 1080 can handle it on med to low to get at least stable 60fps. But I just what to actually use the monitor to it's best.
@@mikaboshia Yeah. I just have a normal 1440p monitor and when I had my 1070 before I gave my old pc to my brother, I could play some games at 60fps. Then again I stick to games like Stray which aren't very demanding
Paying more than 500 bucks is ridiculous. Im still using my 1070 form 2016. I admit though it is just recently starting to struggle so when i can afford it I'll build a new PC. Im literal proof though that you dont need to upgrade your GPU every generation to enjoy gaming.
I'm using gtx 1080 still. Just playing older games really, nothing new has made me wanna upgrade.
You use horrible card that even 4060 laptop rost it easily😂
I’m rocking a 4070, mainly wanted it cause I was planning to buy a 1440p monitor. I now have a 1440p monitor I immensely regret that choice as I mainly play osu and the motion blur was horrendous. I tried to buy another 1080p monitor but Amazon fucked up and sent me the wrong one so now I gotta go through that process and I’ll be waiting like a week or two to get a new one. I could have just bought a used 3070 or 3080
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FSR 3 frame gen mods have been a lifesaver for older GPUs like pascal, WHEN MODDERS SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS INSTEAD OF NVIDIA AND AMD officially, because planned obsolescence of tech.
Here's my take. The problem isn't really with the GPUs, it's with games.
Basically all new games are horrendous so why do you need a new GPU if you can play all the games you ever would want to play on max settings using a 10 year old GPU?
Had a 1050ti, bought a 4070super.... I literally maxed out my budget with this GPU and I still feel unsatisfied with it being only 12gb and not 16...
Bro no hate but why you bought a 4070 super? 😢
Yeah why not a 7800XT (7800)or a 7900 GRE* (7800XT)?
They are in the same ballpark range....
And that 12 GB VRAM, and the offer I had for my old PC are what made my buy a 7900XT, because back then none of the 4070s made sense, and the 4070Ti was just insane.
Back then it was basically NVIDIA saying: "That'll be 1k+ Euros for a GPU that you'll have to replace in 2-3 years! Oh, that's just the premium for all these nice features you can't use most of the time, unless you play some very specific games!"
I have 3 games that can use Raytracing, one was a freebie, and I think 4 that can use DLSS 2.
And in two of them DCS and War Thunder I would never use them, as they and TAA make it near impossible to spot enemies, or use the HUD.
And safe for the price, I have not regretted buying that card, it is sn absolute beast in Rasterization, which is 99.5% of my games and gametime.
Combined with 64GB RAM and a 5800X3D on a X570S Board, and NVME drives with cache, i'm getting some insane fps in Arma 3 and DCS.....in 3440x1440!
If I'll replace something in the next few years, it might be the CPU/Mainboard/RAM combo, because most of my games, like DCS, AC, ACC, AmS2, Arma3, are cpu limited.
And that only if the AMD Ryzen 9000X3D are good enough.
*GREed, chinese wallets Getting Really Eviscerated, Greatly Reduced Expectations, aka not really a 7900, but rather a 7800XT (16GB VRAM and 256-bit bus).
Edit: Typos.
@@hellspawnx3526 cuz a. The 6800 non XT swft xfx I bought before broke in under a week so I couldn't justify buying amd again, b. Before I buy a 580€ 7800xt I used a coupon and bought the 4070 super for 620€ and finally c. The 4070 super performs overall better, has all the features every game has, is more energy efficient and thus cheap over a longer period of using. 16gb would have been nice, but it's not necessity at this point. I guess the 5070 will have 16gb and I might upgrade to it in a year or two if I get another coupon or it's on a rare sale after I sold the 4070 super used
yup you might as well went for the 4060 ti and save some bucks for the next system down the road
Should have got the rx7800xt nitro + bro. In my opinion compared to 3070 its been great.
I don't know the salaries in other countries but... in Spain any 600€ graphics card is half of a normal salary. Not to mention those that cost more than €1000. Basically, a monthly payment of your annual salary goes to the graphics card so that after 2 years you have new models that are practically the same as the previous models.
Now imagine that with a salary of 200-400eur..
Not that bad eh, in my country 500$ is more than normal salary. People always joke about selling kidney to buy 1080ti in 2016, and right now, things get even worse.
600€ for a card is also half normal monthly salary in Slovenia. There is no justification to pay so much for a GPU that is outdated in two years time.
You save for several months like normal people do.
@@nexus02496in my country there is a neverending inflation and low interest rates and the more you try to save money the more you lose money and electronics priceses are way above the normal pay. It’s imposible to buy things without going in debt. Everytime you delay your purchase you lose more money but if you buy today you pay an interest rate but you’d pay much more if you saved money. Still debt inevitable
Ah the good ol' days when the ideal cards costed ~$300.
When I bought 1080ti on release I was amazed, because it was really powerful and I could turn on everything in latest games. Now I need 4090 for 3x price and I will get less than 50 fps in cp2077 with overdrive rt @ 1440p. What's even the point? I'd rather get middle gpu if I'm gonna turn down settings anyway.
Yeah it's like the 500g coffe bag - now 450g and more expensive thanks to shrinkflation. Maybe boycott the 450g scam
The only way to improve graphics these days is through things like ray tracing that are just super demanding. That's why games from 5+ years ago often look just as good as anything released today. I think we've just hit a plateau, where the best we can do is just moderately increase resolutions, textures, and triangle count. Until we can move on from silicon, I think the gains are going to continue to diminish.
I had the same feeling when I got my 3090. I REALLY didn't feel it was worth its cost. I had to change my GPU though. Was on a 1070TI and had just built a new computer. That card was the only one I could get my hands on after 8 months of trying. So, I'm not going to change to a 4000 series and I don't think I will be buying a 5000 series card either. Not if the pricing is what it is now.
I'm still rocking my 1080ti and do not want to change it at all. I've sometimes the surge to, but then I go lookup at the price and forget that idea really fast.
1080ti was THE shit. Amazing card. I settled for regular 1080 because the value was insane. But a 1080ti now is still a damn good card. You can still play a bunch of good games on that thing. And yeah. Its cost back then was a fraction of the cost of the current high end lineup.
The other issue is that PC game graphics are locked to whatever the consoles can do.
I have a 7900xt. I got it open box from microcenter with free starfield for $675. I was completely ready to pass on this generation, but that made sense to me.
Bro you got a steal aint gonna lie.For that price thats just amazing Good for you
Awesome deal! But saying it came with a free copy of Starfield is like saying it came with a free rotten banana. You could eat the banana, but who would want to?
Nice buy, i bought 7900xt second hands that was only 2 weeks used for $670 tax included.
That aint bad deal to be honest. In my country the cheapest 7900xt costs 860€ and good partner models are 950€. Cheapest open box ive seen was 820€
I really hate this overpriced gpu bullshit.
Essentially -$45 from the current 7900 XT best deals sold new at Microcenter in exchange for probably not having a warranty... Not a bad deal, but if I'm spending $700+ (when factoring in sales tax), I'm going to want that warranty.
The thing for me is, i WANT to keep gaming on PC, and upgrading when it's needed to run newer games.
But what's killing the interest for me on "triple-A" titles right now, besides the things already said on the video, is the over reliance on upscaling and apparently not giving a shit about optimizing.
Now playing at your monitor's native res is nearly impossible if you want good performance ( 60+ fps ). I refuse to use upscaling at 1080p because it looks like garbage. Can we go back to having a clear image instead of this ugly blurry mess of today, please?
My 3060 should be plenty capable for playing at 1080p, but what i get when i try most new titles is it performing awfully unless upscaling is enabled. I want to go back to the 2010's era when games actually had a clear image output.
Nope. PC ports were always rushed. Now that upscaling means you can rush them even more, they will. But I don't think upscaling is even made for 1080p because, well, it looks horrible.
@@MrGamelover23 Not always, one recent example i can recall is Spiderman Remaster, it performs super well and still has great graphics. Also strangely games coming from Sony like Returnal, Horizon:ZD, Days Gone all have good optimization on PC. 😉
But i agree that most of the time they are rushed nowadays
@@danath5714 Yeah but sony games like microsoft are bad and woke.
@@Ay-xq7mj I'm not sure if this is advanced sarcasm or if you have a profound case of brain worms.
I just got a used 3060 for $200 and I'm super happy with it. I'm coming from a gtx 970 though. This is the first time I've been able to playing anything @1440p 60fps.
I got so tired of unaffordable GPU's that I just bought a console instead.
to be honest i have just given up on gaming except for the occasional older titles. This console generation has been a massive poopshow, and I have no interest in it. the AAA industry is just a disaster everywhere.
Exactly, this is why I left PC gaming.
Consoles hold much value for money and I do not need to bother with trying to hunt down GPUs and fine tuning games.
I have a PS5 and I dont worry about any of that stuff coz it just works.
My gaming habits is maybe 3 hours of gaming a week. So a console just makes more since. @@joelj457
@@joelj457 funny your reason for leaving PC is the same reason why I left consoles. They're not that good of a value for people like me. I hate paying for online on top of my internet bill, I do not like the fact that everything is all digital now but at least the steam store isn't going to randomly shut servers off for downloads unless Valve goes out of business. At least they're not going to snatch games you already paid for out of your library. Sony and Microsoft along with those shit heads from Nintendo are the reason why I'm losing interest in gaming. They are starting to affect the PC market with all the crappy games that nobody wanted on the consoles also coming to the PC. Doesn't help that Nvidia is greedy and AMD is mediocre
You still pay for games.
Just get a GPU and pirate shit. I save more money in the long run covering the cost of an entire PC in the 4yrs I own that PC before upgrading. Not to mention game retailers gouge the fuck out of you. Just went to PS5 website and the list of games for 60-100$+ is insane... That's 10 games a year for a $4k PC and likely at most 24hrs of game time per game.
Console = bad investment
I think that we are partially responsible for this situation. Now, the solution seems reasonable: do not buy any new GPU until the manufacturers drop their prices.
I haven't bought a new gpu in 6 years, when will they drop?
They could not increase the processing power, because the import&export restrictions placed around GPUs.
or buy used maybe ?
We, or rather, The Braindead (always increasing in number) amongst us, are 100% responsible. If you can keep raising prices and STILL get your products sold, you ain't gonna suddenly lower them. Unfortunately.
lmao like thatll ever happen, theres a reason cod has millions of players who will drop hundreds on a single game.