When Companies Secretly Use Their Rivals’ Products
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- Normally, you’ll never catch companies promoting or even mentioning their competitors' products. They strongly believe that all press is good press, so they’re careful to never discuss competitors. And if you ask them directly about the competition, they’ll only have extremely negative stuff to say. But, most of this is just for the cameras. Behind the scenes, a lot of these fierce competitors not only work together but are extremely interlinked partners. Really, the only true loyalty that any of these companies have is to the bottom line. Some of the best examples of this are how all of Apple’s displays are made by Samsung or how Netflix actually runs on Amazon’s servers. As such, we shouldn’t fall for this branding hype that these companies put out because, in the end, they don’t even drink the Kool-Aid themselves. This video explains the top instances in which companies actually secretly use their competitors' products behind the scenes, and why you shouldn’t buy into brand loyalty.
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0:00 - The Corporate Norm
2:14 - 1 - Netflix & Amazon
4:40 - 2 - Apple & Samsung
5:50 - 3 - Samsung, LG, & Sony
7:26 - 4 - Google & Firefox
8:53 - 5 - Google & Apple
10:13 - 6 - Microsoft & Linux
11:43 - 7 - Microsoft & Google
12:51 - The Corporate Lesson
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its pretty simple really. If you only ever use your own product you end up only fixing your products issues. If you use a competitors than you get to see how they solved problems and are missing things you can solve.
Facts
This makes me think of how far tech would be if everyone worked together. Part of me thinks competition both helps and doesn't at the same time.
There's no way they're not inspecting each other's products behind closed doors, they (besides Nadella) just don't want to appear to be using them.
True the Pinto and fix it with a Chevy product designed by Isuzu.
Benchmarking and living with products are two different things. Benchmarking is very specific investigation. where daily driving you get the whole package. @@rsdotscot
4:52 "samsung is the king of android", proceeds to show a google pixel fold
The Wheeling dealing betrayal and backstabbing that goes on between these giant tech companies is like a modern day game of Thrones.
Indeed
Reminds me of a colleague of mine telling me how much better iphones screens were, and how he could immediately tell the difference.
When I told him the screen was made by Samsung, he didn't want to believe me.
😂
They are better, hear me out, it’s just not the display.
Apple calibrated every display after assembling it on the phone.
Graphics processor makes a huge impact.
Apple times iOS, processor to make sure that scrolling is smooth.
Lot of people think Apple gives specs to Samsung and they make a display, it doesn’t work that way.
Apple approves manufacturing process, Samsung has to setup a separate factory for Apple.
Look at color saturation of Samsung & Apple phones you see huge difference.
That's parroting Apple PR and media partners, thinking that somehow Samsung would make inferior screens and not calibrate them properly for their own flagship products. Not only does it not make sense, but it doesn't even align with independent testing. You're in the bubble.
It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled.
@@gund89123 My kids have iPhones, my wife has a Samsung, and I have a Motorola. They are all about the same age, a couple of years old. Both Samsung and Apple have excellent screens but to my eye, my wife's Samsung screen looks the best. Huge difference? No. Not surprisingly my Motorola trails the others but is fine for basic use.
Having access to competitors products is a good idea. You'll have access to the experience that attracts buyers to them.
In the end of the day: tomatoes still are tomatoes. Their main product is us and our silly feeling of privacy.
Yes
Preach!
Google however isn't "using" Mozilla just funding them. Google is a monopoly because of chromium which is used in other browsers.
@@LogicallyAnswered Apple does plenty of things worth criticising (manufacturing, price gouging, anti competitive App Store model) but do you really feel like their track record on privacy is bad? Outside of the Siri team specifically? Why should these companies bother to be ethical on any metric if people lump them all in together anyway.
@@LogicallyAnswered I am Korean, and I don't know why but so many of my friends think LG, Hyundai and Samsung is a USA company
Great video, but linux isn't based on unix. It's an unix-like operating system.
Indeed, should’ve clarified
This corporation have duopoly in their markets so some point of time in life you have to use other company product 😅😂
Indeed
Nintendo now have games made by Sega, for one time Sega use to compete against Nintendo and now Nintendo hace games for the Switch made by Sega to say a Sonic game is on the Switch instead of a Sega console as Nintendo now uses a competitor's product to say Sonic games made for Nintendo's consoles.
Of course they have to use the rivals phones, it’s to see competition in what they are doing versus what you were doing
Called benchmarking
Two companies are missing, Playstation and Xbox. Their CEO's at some point admitted that they use each other consoles.
Also, Sony and Microsoft had a deal where Sony was working with Microsoft to migrate game streaming to Microsoft infrastructure even though Microsoft has Xbox Game Streaming.
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Thank you as always Daniel!
Clickbait garbage. They just borrowing each other's technology, not using their entire product.
I don’t know the last time I had a bluescreen on windows, it has literally been many years. But whenever i see someone using Linux, i see issues and issues and issues. „Yeah sorry can’t connect to WiFi, my distro doesn’t have drivers yet“ and shit like this. Calling Linux objectively better than windows is rage bait at best, and pretty stupid at worst. The right tool for the right job.
That's your opinion, but Linux is better on paper. Also, that excuse is actually valid when you haven't set up drivers yet in yk, *setup*
@@summer.w.onyx_ how exactly is it better on paper?
Governments also abide by the same principles. Put on a show of rivalry while secretly laying on the money bed behind the scenes.
Mate I love your content and analysis, I have just one request, would it be possible to have no background music while you're narrating? I find it quite distracting. I still love your work though man!😊
Actually Sony does have (at least) one displays manufacturing base: Sony Higashiura Japan, Aichi (not sure, if it's still operational, though).
One thing i was hoping you would mention was when the Ps5 and Xbox series X came out, they each bought the rival consoles and posted it on X praising each other on the hard work
I mean some of these partnerships are clever. It's vertical integration for the conpany's selling the products behind the scenes, ensuring that they're profiting in every case: if they lose market share their other business will subsidize it.
And it's also an even greater price advantage, making it easier to compete or to reap higher margins.
I wonder if we'll have a rivals collab of Logically Answered and Economics Explained, lol
They also do it for anti trust as they have to give service to anyone or they could face lawsuit. While also maintaining a leash on rivals
Great video.
0:40 I have seen that Sunrise app in years.
Why do the greens in the google and microsoft logo come out as brown in this video?
which microsoft logo was that
I think its also due to IP copyrights, companies can't simply copy tech so they licence it even though they might be rivsls.
"But, behind the scenes, iPhones are largely just Samsung phones because Apple sources everything from the screens and memory chips to the batteries and processors from Samsung."
Not very accurate description. Processors are mainly built by TSMC for Apple. And though screens and memory (components) may come from Samsung, Foxconn is the actual contract manufacturer that puts them together. A bit of a stretch to say they are largely just Samsung phones....
Agree, not even close.
I think we tend to fight more over Apple and Google 😂 when in reality they have great relationship.
For real 😂
@12:00 Now I know why M$ Edge was so easy to run on Linux natively
I swear the microsoft x linux blow my socks off, i wasn't expecting that
Microsoft's Edge is actually getting better than Chrome, they have made good integration with Office products.
I am thinking what if Microsoft makes use of Open Source Android and build a phone with the ecosystem rivalling iOS, they already have many products. With new Snapdragon chips, it will be game changer for Microsoft and customers.
I have liked this video. For the first time, it os not a rise and fall.
If someone expose me for using their rivals product I will just admitted that I did use it and great video man :]
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I usually love your takes on most of the stuff, but saying that Netflix is using their competitor's stuff, only because they use AWS, is just wrong. If Amazon wouldn't have serviced them as they do, they would just go elsewhere, these corps have so many side businesses, that often pay for the less profitable.
Was expecting the biggest upcoming rivalry that flies under the radar which is Apple and Qualcomm, especially with Qualcomm’s upcoming laptop chips… but I guess that probably needs its own video
*I Have Missed You 😢 So Much* ❤😊😂🎉
Pichai has also mentioned publicly that he also uses Iphone occasionally
people like to see battle not love
LG and Samsung are chaebols. It is quite common for chaebols to sell to rivals. LG group and Samsung group have many subsideries. So do Lotte Group and SK group.
Nice video buy the thumbnail is misleading. There is no Tim Cook with Android. The video opens stating this but I was still expecting.
What's with subtitles?
12:42 - Microsoft also released a hardware with Android OS called Surface Duo
Watching this on Firefox...
Microsoft also has WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux), which is a command line Linux emulator thats from Microsoft for windows.
Also, theres an official Microsoft guide to installing Linux.
Technically it is not an emulator. In the case of WSL1, it runs directly inside the windows kernel. (WSL1 is not an emulator, nor a VM). WSL2 is a VM, it runs through a hypervisor (Hyper-V). So, WSL2 runs next to Windows. The difference between an emulator and a VM is that an emulator runs as an application (like google chrome, discord, or paint). WSL2 runs as a different OS next to windows. Afterwards a remote connection is opened to that VM. (This can go both ways.) Which allows it to be shown like an application. WSL1 on the other hand translates the Linux system calls to the windows interpretation by it. This makes it not an emulator but an interpreter. (The hardware is not emulated).
The reason why they did not choose an emulator is performance. An emulator requires a lot more resources for a lot slower execution time. An emulator requires a lot more RAM, CPU, (GPU s are often not supported in an emulator, and if it is it requires more resources from the GPU as well.), And it requires a lot more storage. Emulators require a lot more from your computer than gaming.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
Yes
It's no secret. You have to study your competition.
Edge moving to chromium was a great move. Browser tech is not a differentiator, so get someone else to do it makes sense. Especially that you can see Microsoft is more interested in adding AIb and all those other sidebar features. I use Copilot, Drop and Teams in Edge quite a bit.
If companies were smart they would support each other to help each other grow. Its called healthy competiton.
Your TV comparison is not accurate. Sure the display is made by LG, but there is more to modern TVs than just the display. It's the processing, that makes the difference. Here Samsung, Sony and LG make their own stuff and tune their TVs in different ways.
Companies don’t care if they both can make money they will both work together. An enemy of an enemy is my friend. Money will make anyone do anything. We are companies enemies if we don’t spend money.
I had a teacher in college. She was highly placed at Microsoft. She told me you'd be surprised how many employees used the iPhone. Even in secret. That was 10 years ago.
I am loyal to Apple because they have made the most impact in my life. simple.
it's not a secret it's common practice
You need to understand competition to beat them.
You forget
Boingg v Aire-Bus
Harley Davingson v Honda
Ford v G.M.H.
etc etc
The OLED Samsung makes were designed for smaller screens like phones where LG’s is for big screens like TVs. They both have managed to get their screen size to fit PC monitors so it is the only place they both compete with their respective OLED technologies, lol.
yet amazon charges more for streaming 😅
I remember in one company, we sent a console game for a review to Sony but it had XYAB game pad hints from Xbox 😂
Correction: Linux isn't based on Unix, it's just a "clone" of Unix basically.
None of this is "secret".
If I'm working for Pizza Hut it doesn't mean I wouldn't eat Dominos 😐
Ah but you’re employee then. I’m sure plenty of Google employees have Mac’s and iPhones. The correct comparison would be Pizza Hut using Dominos as a supplier or something along those lines.
Another small one: Amazon uses Android to build Fire OS and uses Chromium to build the Amazon Silk web browser on their Fire tablets, Fire TVs, and Echo Show smart displays.
As its opensource
I still remember back when Microsoft bought a load of PowerMac G5s when developing the Xbox 360 as they were adopting PowerPC CPUs for the Xbox 360 as Apple were moving to Intel CPUs. At E3 when the Xbox 360 was announced, the games we're actually being played on PowerMac G5s and they were also the original Xbox 360 Dev Kits.
Hahaha, didn’t know that
Samsung makes sure they shame apple in every ad
Corporate business and politics function in the same way!
Sony is one of the biggest suppliers for camera sensors. Both Canon and Nikon are customers.
What about apple using google cloud for the apple cloud infrastructure
I could say when my dad worked for Ford he drove the competitor's product he drove a Dodge Dart when he worked for Ford.
It is kind of simple probably David Calhoun probably rides in an Airbus.
What a savage hahaha
@@LogicallyAnswered My dad rode a Chrysler product for one year and then Ford gave him a car, well it is all to say it is not a Mustang, but in a way he never drove a Chevrolet Ford's biggest rival when he was working for Ford.
Ms also uses red hat or has heavy integration with it so there will be symbiotic and payments
These Giant Corporations are like Megnets, They repel each other very hard until one of them have to turn around and then they becomes inseparable.
How else are they going to copy the the competition's features?
If I had a 1 dollar contract with someone, a $1B fine would be very "meaningful". I think maybe you were looking for another word there..
i'm a big fan of using windows. just because i did always use it. all my apps are for it, and i can easy look in to the code if i dont trust anything. even if i want to i cant change what i'm used to.
Fair enough. I really like Windows as well. I was more referring to enterprise use and development when comparing windows and Linux.
@@LogicallyAnswered You can't compare that. Enterprises use Linux without gui (only cli). At the moment you add a gui, Windows is a lot more stable. For the really essential stuff they use a BSD variation like OpenBSD (which is used to create firewalls). Unlike Linux (which is inspired by Unix), BSD is Unix based. But then again, these OSes have no gui. In the case of OpenBSD, it has often not even vim (only vi).
Apple doesn’t get processors from Samsung.
It’s TSMC for years.
Doesn’t get all displays, some.
They get some from LG.
Most of the memory is from Micron.
competition 😂 what joke it's all about partnership and cooperation.the products are people
Windows tends to have better UI and productivity tho
What about Ford and Chevy or Coke and Pepsi.
Chromium from Google for Microsoft Edge. Both followed Apple Safari which came from Linux WebKit
yeah, saying iphone is basically a samsung phone is quite the blunder. there is no phone company that manufactures all parts for themselves, most dont even design the parts, where in a large portion apple does design their components and sends the project to be manufactured by another company. its like printing a photo and saying that its author is HP that made the printer. by the way, apple has no way of getting their displays from anywhere else, since Samsung and LG are the only companies in the industry that got access to the American Display Company (i guess its called like that, but i can be wrong) and only they can make the OLEDs that the whole industry is using now.
so your logic was windows is bad because it's proprietary but macos and linux was good because it's based on unix? bro macos is also proprietary and linux is not unix, it's based on unix like. On a kernal level nowadays they are more similar than ever before so other than the web devs who actually have no idea on unix works but tends to prefer it, I've never heard anyone saying that.
LG and Samsung will start working together to compete with TCL and Hisense typical bright Mini LED on OLED premium segment to the discriminating customer including Sony.
Look at the Samsung QD-OLED from Samsung Electronics the S90C 77". Probably the cheapest and best OLED ever made.
Wow🎉
Know thyself, know thy enemy, a wise man figured that out 2500 years ago
Bing is really good
Sundar Pichai uses all of them. He said that.
Where would Netflix be today had they built their own infrastructure over relying on AWS. They could be an AWS competitor and that shows how dumb these CEO’s really are, pretty basic concept build your own and save in the long run over renting.
That "bluescreen" is big manipulation, I haven't seen BS since IDK years. But whenever I tried to install Linux or play with Live CD / Live CD with persistent it always ended with crashes, errors etc. The only stable Linux was Ubuntu, but it's heavy as hell, prolly even more than Windows.
As someone in the tech industry, I agree with this, we use Linux, but not Mac, and only for servers. The only people who get macs are the VIPs who want a similar experience to their home computers, and graphic design personnel. It is too much of a hassle to deal with macs for everyone. Now, everyone does get an IPhone and IPad. But that is because of contracts, not superiority.
For desktop use Windows is a lot more stable than Linux. Linux (Fedora) crashes every 2 hours on my device. Kali corrupted randomly (so I couldn't use it anymore and had to install a new OS. And Ubuntu has also a lot of problems relating to its gui. However, if you go to a bare bone install (so no gui, only cli), no applications (not even vim (only vi)). Then Linux is indeed more stable. These are used to run servers. (But this is not comparable to Windows, is it?) But the most stable OS are BSD based variations like FreeBSD or OpenBSD (which is used to create firewalls). Unlike Linux BSD is actually Unix baised.
Love a product but not a brand
Your criticism of Windows is unfair. Windows today does not descend from the original code base, but from Windows NT, an OS designed by veteran OS designers like Dave Cutler who had developed enterprise OS’s fordecades. That code base has had 25 years to mature. Windows 11 doesn’t crash even if left on for months. I also have a Mac and reboot it more often than I reboot by Windows laptop. Windows is not an inferior OS in any way unless you like the Apple ecosystem and closed systems running on hardware that can’t be repaired or upgraded.
Linux IS a better data center OS but Windows Server is also used. Nobody would even think of using MacOS in a data center.
Been using Mac for 15 years, I restart my Mac like once a year may be or when I update OS.
Compared to Windows MacOS is pleasure to use.
0.01% if servers in data center are windows based.
Apple doesn’t make or sell server OS.
@@gund89123 That is only possible if you don't install the security updates that Apple releases every 2-3 months.
@@gund89123 That percentage is completely false. I work for an IT company, and all of our customers run the vast majority of their workloads on Windows Servers, and those are often lift-and-shifted from on-premises to data center or cloud. So what do you even mean with "in data center". If you look at the Microsoft Azure cloud, until recently the vast majority of VMs in Azure ran Windows. This has now been surpassed by Linux, largely because of the increasing popularity of Kubernetes. Also, all VMs in Azure are hosted on hardware that runs the Windows hypervisor. There used to be a macOS Server and Xserver hardware, but it was discontinued because there was barely any demand.
woah i'm pretty early here!
this is not by any means samsung is better, apple is bad or whatever. at the end of the day, we are all humans, we need each other.
and also, use whatever works for you the best. I won't use mac for gaming, just like I won't use windows for mission critical servers. also for some applications, linux is just better option. but it is very much infinite freedom, you can literally ask linux to shoot itself on the foot and it will actually provide the bullet happily for you, as long as you ask it under sudo.
Thanks for being early Rinaldo!
It would be nice if Apple started using Sony camera sensors. They are often superior than Samsung chips.
Let’s be real though if you’re in America there are only two phones. iPhone and Samsung. Anything else is so poorly supported that it’s not even worth buying.
Yeah pretty much
@@LogicallyAnswered Oh thanks for responding I wasn’t expecting it but I really love the content you produce thanks for what you do
I think I disagree, Pixels should still give you everything you need.
Tim Gonna Ban you - hehe
Hahaha
Microsoft Edge is so much like Chrome, with the menus and icons, we might as well be using Chrome. They are copying each other and have been for a few years. If Microsoft made its brand less like Google, then I might use Microsofts browser
Samsung does not make the processors for the iPhone more do they actually produce the iPhone. The processors and the construction is all done by TSMC. They do get displays and ram and storage from Samsung but Samsung doesn’t make the iPhone or processors for Apple.
Steam is all Linux based
game is game
Sundar Pichai has publicly said that he rotates through using all of the competetion's phones
4 ads in a row. R u fking kidding me