Matt's Off-Road Recovery Saved Our Bronco!
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- Опубликовано: 16 мар 2023
- We spent our week out at United By Bronco in Sand Hallow, Utah and broke on our first trail! We were being spotted up Menios Choice on the West Rim Trail and next thing you know we broke our tie rod and front differential at the SAME TIME!!! Weren't too sure how to get off the trail without damaging more stuff, so we called Matt's Offroad Recovery and they helped us out.
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Matts off road recovery sent me
Same lol. Along with his branding on what to search for 😂
Yeah I'm from winder towing channel 🎉
I'm Doctor Remulack
Saw this first on Matt’s channel. It was cool that Matt pointed out the issue after dropping the Bronco and told you to let him know what you wanted to do. Equally cool that you don’t seem to be blaming him for the damage. Too bad it had to be lifted to be dragged out. Great marketing for your company and products regardless. Nice stuff you guys make.
Without MORR, the bronco likely would still be there with parts scavenged.
This is called field testing. Are they made correctly and strong enough?
Perhaps you can engineer some reinforcement plates that can be welded onto the frame to prevent bending.
Radiusing the edges that cut Matt's soft shackles might be possible too.
I watched this on Matt’s channel first too and only watched this one to see if they kept the same great attitude they had on the trail.
It looks like they discovered that significant hardening should be done to the frame horns if you plan on really getting into the muck with these new Broncos.
These guys should design a kit to go along with their bumper to prevent this from happening to other people. Probably some kind of weld on bracket to strengthen the frame horns to allow them to hold the weight of the vehicle when being towed by the bumper.
I wouldn’t want to imagine what would have happened on that recovery if Matt didn’t have that wrecker put together. They would have had to skid it out using an old car hood as a sled and still would have been putting a lot of stress on that front bumper’s shackle points. All in all it was a successful rescue and we all learned some things. Good luck DV8 on designing a fix for this newly discovered issue.
I agree I some it on Matt’s channel but I love your attitude and your product tbh I’m a Jeep fan obviously but more then anything I’m a off-roader fan and that’s what we do
I can't believe how small and thin the Tie rod is. wow!
I appreciate companies that actually test and use the products they sell. Kudos for the willingness to show the breakage and inspection. I'm sure there are a bunch of bronco owners looking forward to a new DV8 frame horn gusset/reinforcement kit.
Perfect time for them to come up with the right fix for that problem. Then have Matt hook up and drag them around the hills to see if it works.
@Dennis Geroux this is really a great idea!
I'm going to second Brad here. Never heard of you guys before Matt's video, It was really cool of you to not make a big deal about the damage, it sounds like this is going to make a great learning experience for your products. Those bumper mounts need to be reenforced somehow. Also, you should consider running a filet on the recovery point holes so they don't cut soft shackles. I really like the look of your products and I hope that you guys do really well.
impressive that the bumper is built to a higher standard than the frame horn plates! Well done!
The frame is designed to crumple in a crash and absorb the impact to save you. it is done as per road safety laws. Your are changing the design philosophy when you add off road bumpers etc.
Those mounts are not designed to mount a RECOVERY bumper, they are strictly designed to hold an impact bumper that absorbs impact.
@@alohaexpeditions1847 Yet Ford has their own off-road bumper designed for it ... so which is it? They market the vehicle as a very rugged off-road vehicle. Perhaps the leverage from the recovery point was too far from the plates and Ford's design takes that into account???
As most people commenting here came from Matt’s channel. A solid “thank you Matt” at the end of your video here would have at least given the impression of you appreciating being rescued.
I thought the same
The amount of BRAND NEW Broncos I've seen breaking on simple obstacles is WAYY TO HIGH!
I came over from Matt's. I enjoyed your video and I'm impressed by the durability of your bumper. I realized decades ago that what wins points with the insurance companies (for safety reasons) is "crumple" rather than "rigid." The bumper and mounting system that came on my 1977 F250 Highboy could not withstand a bump, despite the truck itself being as tough as granite. That's when I welded a piece of 4x4 square tubing made of 1/4" steel to the frame and did some vigorous reinforcing, winch mount, receiver hitch, all integrated. Never had to worry about bumps on the bumper again. Looks like you're most of the way there with a tough bumper that looks much better than that old square tubing, and I'm sure you'll work out the rest. 🙂
Great opportunity for your company to come up with a frame stiffening kit that could be added with or without your bumper.
@KJJeep that sounds like a great idea. They could make an optional frame stiffener sleeve kit.
Your forgiving attitude in Matt's video will bring 10X the income that throwing a fit and making him pay for it would have. Some good wisdom on display.
If I ever get a Bronco, I will definitely look you guys up.
What better way for exposure for your channel than break down and catch Matt's subscriber's 👍👍🍺
Breaking down and having Matt and team come tow you was probably the best thing that could have happened. I've been looking for an after market steel bumper for my Bronco since the ford modular bumper has been impossible to get and was not aware of your brand until now.
The strength of your bumper was impressive, probably worth noting that any bumper would have bent the frame when being towed like that for miles over rough terrain.
Matt's Off Road Recovery channel is great along with all the other recovery guys he works with.
Matt sent me!😁👍Instead of making Matt pay for your grill, name the next iteration of bumper that's reinforced against lifting stresses, the "Matt proof bumper".
I work as a Body Shop Tech you should be able to bend the frame ends back pretty easily. There is a tool Nick named a pogo stick. It’s a bar what is used as a lever and a chain attaches to it and the part you are bending back to place. To prevent it from bending again you guys could probably design something to reinforce the frame end. Great job on a strong bumper design!
Saw this first on Matt's Offroad Recovery. Now your channel's youtube video showed up on my suggested videos. Hiring Matt's Offroad Recovery worked great for advertising your company! Good luck with your company! P.S. the coal mine I worked at orders in brand new Ford Super Duty's and we got stuck and hooked a tow rope to the tow hook and it ripped off the front bumper. Ford is not reinforcing their stuff. Just for looks. :(
Brilliant marketing/advertising/brand awareness whatever you want to call it....👏👏👏
The cost of that tow was well worth the exposure you'll get on Matts channel. I wonder why more companies don't do this?
Bravo!
Saw the recovery on MORR. You guys seem to be a stand up bunch of people. I just subscribed.
In MORR's video, Matt specifically asks the long-haired guy if the bumper was strong enough to pick up from. You said yes, I think so.
At that point, I say all is on you for any damages.
Came here after seeing the tow on Matt's. I wonder if a tube welded to the bumper that slides into the frame tubing would add vertical strength. You have some cool looking gear.
Don't break your crap to need a toe. Mr. Perfect .
Ya it would if u have the right size square tubing to slide in the frame horn. Also depends on how far your able to slide the tube in to the frame rail. If there's any obstructions that you can't move in side the frame rail and your not able to slide at least idk 6" or 8" of thick wall square tubing in to it it won't do much good at all.
I'm not an expert or anything this is all just my opinion after building a hand full of rock buggys, jeeps, diesel pickups for sled pulling and dynos & a coupel toe rigs and some fast cars for myself and a few for friends. So I don't claim to know everything but I know a little bit about a couple things
Matt brought me here, but got to say I love my DV8 no cut winch bumper had it on my 22 Tacoma since Sept of last year zero issues with it 👌
The hot new trend in the offroad products industry, is to go wheeling in Matt's backyard, intentionally break, and then call up MORR and get yourself onto Matt's channel. Instant exposure.
Those stamped frame rail tend to bend from the vehicles weight when towed. You can always sleeve it, and that can cure the problem, but it will 🎉 the crinkle zone when in an accident
Test it, break it, make it stronger 💪🏼
The great thing about bending the winch bumper, you found a weakness. Beef it up!
Fun to see how you shot it after seeing it on Matt’s Off road channel, I’ll keep watching your channel.
I have never seen this happen to a Wrangler, and the basic idea behind the bumper mount is similar. Once difference is that on a Wrangler, there are heavy gauge plates that go behind the ears. Those plates would have to bend in order for the ears on the frame to bend. You guys may want to consider adding these to your bumper kit to re-enforce that area.
Another MORR subscriber, now a DV8 subscriber. Good call from someone else' comment, make that new part up and go get towed again haha!
Nice work.
Rad :)
Great looking bumper. When I am researching products to buy, I very much appreciate when I see video's like this. Helps me to make an informed purchase decision. Liked and subscribed.
I'm another one who saw this on Matt's channel and then it showed up in my feed. Great attitude, your parts look great, and what a great way to field test them. In Matt's video you mentioned getting into Toyota parts. I have a 4Runner, I just want to suggest that the 10- 13 5th gen 4Runner (referred to as the OG in the 5th gen community) is kind of neglected when it comes to front bumper options, so that would be great to get into. Even though they're getting older, there is a community of early 5th gen owners that are really into them and prefer them over the later model years.
Matt should use some sort of device like deadman off road to strap under the vehicle to lift straight up. The bumper was not designed for those kinds of loads, and if anything intended to bend for crash compliance.
It would also help to keep the vehicle from sliding into the back of his truck. At least need some sort of toe bar for that.
Probably better off just making an off road dolly to drag things on like a normal tow truck.
Video looks nice & crispy. Whatever camera you're using is great 👍
lesson learned, put some tow hooks on the frame , save your bumper.
Came here from Matt's MORR. I'm a Bronco owner. Impressed with you guys, and your products. Next time I buy some parts will look closely at your stuff.
Saw you on Matt's channel, love the post mortem, keep up the good work!
Came over from Matt’s…. Seems like your products are stronger than the frame. I’m impressed by your quality and your class…
Subscribed and I’ll shop your accessories for sure
mark the bumper issues to R and D , I am a Matts off-road viewer and hopefully now yours good video. also your fender flares and rack look really nice good work.
Great video mat sent me👍
We all know about the IFS vs solid axle debate. I have two rigs, one with IFS, one with Solid axle. So I am not a hater. That said, it seems like the IFS adds a bit of complication and possible things to break. Great video guys!
Great post mortem! Ive seen this happen (in other videos) with Tacomas and 4Runners too. I look forward to watching you guys solve this in future videos!
The strongest thing on the Bronco was your bumper which will outlive everything else on that Ford. That's why I drive a Yota 😁
Bronco is expensive junk
Your stuff looks amazing.
Saw you on MORR and came here to sub.
Came here because Matt "got a call" and stayed for the fun offroad bits and your testing. Let's see you bash on stuff, I'll watch, and hope you don't have to call Matt and crew TOO much. 😁GREAT gear, love the designs!
Someone will or has definitely had to rebuild those plates to a better standard :)
Cool to know!
Came to your channel because of Matt! Liked and subscribed
Came from MORR. Cool to see this side!
You guys got a lot of free press out of it. Made lemonade out of lemons.
This is an excellent time to improve the mounting of the front bumper and reinforcing the frame horns or any other part that will not hold up to lifting the vehicle for a tow.
watched Matts video, saw your vid and had to watch.
Looks like a new product marketing opportunity for your company!
A frame horn support system to eliminate this issue.
YALL should jump on that ASAP
AND GET IT TO THE MARKET!
Saw this last night on Matt's Off Road Recovery. Perhaps more and larger bolts connecting your nice bumper to the skid plate. Another option would be a backing brace/plate to cover the frame horns.
Good bumper
I bet those frame pieces are designed to bend in a crash, so just aren't made for that type of stress. Good explaination vid.
Hey here from MORR! - subscribed
The bumper horns are designed to be used in a forward & back motion. Either for pulling on level ground or for absorbing a frontal impact. Not for lifting. (or lifting on a bumpy off road) That being said, they faired very will for that unintended use. And the DV8 bumper did very well in holding up it's part of the job (no pun intended) and transferred all the energy into the frame. All in all, if that was the worst that happened, it was a good day on the trail. Thanks for the follow up video.
Maybe they should design them for all directions! 😮
Like most here, I saw you first on MORR. I run some of your stuff in my JKU and love it. Your bronco bumper looks very high quality and I’m sure you guys will figure this out. I’d also love to see you make the recovery points soft-shackle friendly.
Happy to see the bumper held up, wonder how the frame horns would do pulling with a winch....kind of has me worried.
except for the part where it destroyed the frame, yeah, it is a shit design
@@Gantzz321 the entire bronco is a shit design. Made to wheel through the mall parking lot. Lol
The d ring lugs NEED a chamfer. Soft shackles matter!!
That rescue gave you an add worth at least $5.000 so I guess Matt is pardoned for the small damages? 😉
Looking forward to a new product announcement for your bumper frame reinforcements. ;) Also, looks like a good excuse to upgrade the front with the Ultimate 44 FDU. Appreciate you guys doing this vid since there was a lot of questions after Mischief Maker's vid of the recovery first came out.
glad to see you made it out alive and coming from matts offroad channel
That is a tie-rod for a 4x4 vehicle? I think you find thicker metal tie rods on garden tractors! What a great opportunity for the aftermarket suppliers.
love that music
When something breaks it’s always a good time for upgrades
I love my DV8 recovery front bumper for my F150.. I did have to modify the winch plate for the winch I got. I will also have to cut out the DV8 graphic cutout on the top plate to use the winch hard wire remote
Thanks for sharing!
Saw you guys on Matt’s channel, looks like you got some cool products, I’m in the process of finally upgrading my tj I’ve had for 23 years and will take a looksee at your stuff….. as Matt’s video showed at the end maybe you’ll get an idea of how to strengthen/rework the bumper for better results…
You should slide a piece of sq5tubing 3/16 the and plug weld it inside the frame to strengthen the frame. You want to get the tube steel as deep as possible for the utmost strengthening
BTW: Someone, please make sure that the engineering department at Ford Motorworks gets a copy of this video! 😉
SAS it!🎉🎉
One of the first scenes was the heavy wrecker followed by Mischief Maker coming along the horizon, kinda like the cavalry has arrived. Good video explaining the issues.
Matt has a thing about not damaging vehicles when recovering, but look at the bright side, now you know what you need to do to improve that things strength for such a situation
So,,, the problem with your bumper is that it is stronger than the frame. Not the worst problem to have.
Could you add a reinforced tube inside the frame tube?
This is clearly a weakness that needs to be addressed, and I would expect it to lead to some new product development since this won't be the last bronco that needs to be dragged out by its nose.
Oh wow. Good work.
Here from MORR. 😁
From Matt’s
You cool guys 👌
Y'all might want to make thos shackle holes more soft shackle friendly.
Just saw your Bronco on Matts Off Road Recovery. Nice truck and great mods.
Came over from Matt’s
Those Bronco tie rods are barely sufficient for parking lots, let alone trails. Someone in the industry should know that.
Nice bumper design. Connection to the frame is the hardest to design. The bumper design is mostly asthetics, where the connection to the frame requires finite element analysis, or find an old-time welder and he can design one that is strong and overkill.
This is partly Matt's issue, he should have hooked underneath to a crossmember or something else strong and then the bumper doesn't take pulling and lifting stress.
Youz guys are probably going to have to insert rectangular tubing into the frame section on each side to make it strong enough.
Good way to grow your channel and get views. Pretty smart.
Good Storytelling in the very Firstest minute. (And you chose a Really Picturesque Place to have an 'Unscheduled Disassembly!)
Break down may have been blessing in disguise..you can't buy that kind of advertising exposure. Owner of my shop just bought a new Bronco convertible and we'll be using some of your products for sure!!
Seen on Matt's offroad, started following your awesome content.
I got to see some more of that awesome Bronco build ....it's bad to the bone
Do you think you guys will eventually ever expand your bumpers to accommodate older full size vehicles like the OBS Chevys and Fords? That bumper would look sweet on my OBS Tahoe, but I’m not completely sure the thin frame rails on them could support it through too many self recoveries. The OBS Fords probably definitely could and I’m in the process of getting a guy I know down to a realistic price on his 85 Bullnose Bronco that I’ve been wanting for years.
The kind of data one can gather from this nice video is that : one has to take a LOT more steps preparing a modern day Bronco for the trail as opposed to general older trucks, hearing that tie rods that fail is common isn’t good news , reminds me of the Hummer H2 and how it also broke stock tie rods while on the trail, however when it comes to the chassis, having it bend that way … means I wouldn’t use this platform for off road driving, or I’d have to modify it even more, which is a bummer for a truck so hyped as it was.
When the necessary modifications for a vehicle are this much, might as well prepare a Toyota Corolla or a Dodge Viper for off road use, the only thing extra needed is space for the tires, this says a lot about what the Bronco is
I’m sorry I have to give my impression of what I saw, but given that this vehicle had been hyped as the new off road king, and seeing it break a tie rod and frag an axle while sporting stock size tires and not being particularly overloaded gives me all I need to know … I’d go 77-78 Bronco, those might bend the chassis still when picked up by the heavy wrecker, but rolling over or getting stuck would be a bigger concern than having to baby it, killing the fun …
That said, great work from DV8 😊😊😊, that bumper is however just too good for that car 😂 , Bronco = a case of never meet your hero
2:49 Nice save Tom!!!
If the act of lifting the Bronco with the bumper bent that much stuff, then it probably wouldn't fare too well if you had done much winching with it....
Matt's sent me.
Add a bracket to the bottom of the bumper that ties back to the underside of the frame like a hitch or snow plow mount. Those frame horns just aren't thick enough to take any weight.
Nice quality video!
You guys seem pretty chill, as a morr fun, I think I will follow your channel
Saw you guys out at United By Bronco, we were a group of Early Broncos and one Jeep Cherokee who were at the event. - sorry to see that you guys broke out there!
Just here to promote the channel as you guys seem like good people.