@stelarmedusa3528 it's like what Jaime said. "You're no longer hand of the king," So, legally speaking (which was just an easy excuse for Jaimie to fight Ned. That's what I mean by shield since he removed it. He was technically defenseless
@@open_minded7983The weird part is, it doesn’t make it any less murder. Stark hadn’t committed any crimes, yet. So the fact that he isn’t Hand anymore doesn’t change anything, really.
Hah what?! When?! Where?! That dude was bad from the start. He wanted everyone to fight like this to make it earlier for him to take power! The city guard probably in the opposite direction he went and he was laughing like and evil villain the entire way... 😂
@@TheGoblinHub. I fully understand what they meant and the point I was making if you actually knew the source material as well as I do as I've read all the books thru twice and seen the show at least 3 times that Littlefinger was NEVER a good guy even at this point... He's been plotting since well before this point before the story even begins... He's one of the reasons why the kingdom was heavily indebt at this point and that was part of his plan to plunge the realm into chaos in order to claim power for himself... Your welcome.
@@yusukeurameshi7744 bro.. everyone knows this. You still missed the point. The dude knows litte finger was bad even at that point, he is talking about when he FIRST saw the scene, he thought LF was being genuine, lmfao. You are pointing out the obvious and acting like you're intelligent.
@@TheGoblinHub. Not everyone knows that dummy! I didn't even know that when I 1st watched the show and clearly this dude didn't either! I'm explaining for those who don't know so hop off my meatstick! I know it's nice and big but you don't gotta thot out on me...
In the show (but not the book) Shae loved him too. Shae and Jaime really loved him. Then Bronn, Varys, Danny cared for and respected him also, in their way. He even managed to make the mountain clans love him and fight for him. And yes, Tommen and Myrcella. He wasn't this poor reject loved only by Jaime. His father hated him but respected his intelligence. That's why he named him Hand of the King in his stead. But his proud father just couldn't accept that he was a dwarf (and his beloved Johanna died giving birth to him). Had he been a normal looking man, his father would have loved him more than Jaime since Jaime was nothing like Tywin, he only wanted to fck Cersei and deep down he was kind and honourable, and Tyrion was Tywin with a heart.
@DreamfyreThe Starks just do everything to themselves lmao. Literally every single one of them besides Rickon, Bran and arguably Arya fvck themselves over 😭
@Dreamfyreshe was always liability things could’ve gone diff for Ned n Rob - gave up significant leverage. Ned was honorable to say otherwise is meritless
@@ericgolden2070 Sounds like you just wanna blame a woman. Being honorable doesn't make you smart. There's a reason the honorable are never the ones in power: Honor isn't practical, its a set of rules made up by those in power to keep their warriors in line. From the Samurai of Japan to the Knights of England, the powerful are only there by scheming and using every trick they have to.
@@TheGrumbliestPuppy want to blame women bc of comment on 1 woman lolll u sound like 1 woman can do no wrong n no accountability. Hating on honor lol, sounds like something someone would say after resorting to wanting to blame women, oh wait 🙄 enjoy la la land 🌙
Once, I have read a very clever comment on that scene and feel like it would be extremely beneficial for every watcher to understand, even if it must have been said a hundred times before, what was really going on in Littlefinger's head. His strategy is perfect. His words, his actions, his tone of voice. Nothing in them could have offended anyone in any case. Expressing his worry at the sight of Jaime and his men assures him of Ned's trust in the scenario where the hand of the king gets out of the situation unhurt and very much alive, yet it doesn't make him look bad in Jamie's eyes either (whose father is one of the few men Littlefinger fears), as he doesn't concretely do anything to stop him. His final line "I'll bring the City Watch" is the best excuse for him to not witness the fight he knows damn well is gonna happen the second he exits the scene and it permits him to escape without having to pick anyone's side for future potentiel testimony. He has no intentions of bringing anyone anywhere of course, and no matter who dies or who gets hurt, he'll be happy about it. His hate for Ned as a person and as Cat's husband as well as his lack of respect for the Lannisters make him okay with whatever ending the confrontation may have. Truly a rat and a mastermind this one.
@@Endorphins27 I can indeed read a scene and I'm well aware I may be stating the obvious, but let me tell you why I've written that comment: the first time I watched it, I was so enthralled by the action, so afraid for Ned, so caught in the story, that I didn't have time to analyze what was happening and the person whose comment I read a while ago made me realize I never got a chance to truly think about every character's motivations. My intention here was merely to draw attention to it for someone else that might be in the same case I once was in myself.
@@Endorphins27, Samael, shut up. At least this person is writing something of importance and intelligence. Whereas you two are just using your caveman brains to write belittling comments. 😂 Well done, @Mrs. Knows it all.
@@TiaguinhoMu This is one of the theories that says that Jaime and Tyrion are actually the children of Aerys II and that they would ride Daenerys' dragons hahahaha
Tbf, it's kinda ned's fault for only bringing like twenty guys with him from the North. He is the Lord Paramount of the largest of the Seven Kingdoms going to King's Landing to serve as Hand of the King, making him easily the second most powerful person in Westeros, at least in theory, and is bringing his two daughters with him, one to be married to the future king. He should have an entourage of hundreds, at least, not a barely fifty. A rare issue shared by both the books and show.
There’s a hundred things you could criticize Ned Stark for in the show and books. He’s meant to be naive to the politics of king’s landing so it makes sense why he didn’t bring many men because he didn’t think he’d be openly attacked like this. It’s more Catelyn’s fault for arresting Tyrion
@@legobatman5067 Ned as a character and a lord was not at all capable. In the show at least, he can't control his wife, can't control his daughter, can't influence/scare his own lords to not conspire against him, was never interested or aware about the outer/inner politics as the supreme lord in the North, allowed his wife to pollute his children with Southern Ideologies and faith, allowed a sept to be built near the Godswood in Winterfell itself, the land of the First Men and you call him just naïve? Not to mention, his entire useless upbringing of Jon Snow and his complete abandoning of Jon's identity, which was never his to hide. And please, don't tell me it was because he was scared of Robert. A broken six kingdoms, barely held together, recovering from war can not do anything against a war hardened northern army if Ned really wanted to protect and nurture Jon in the way he really deserved. Plus, I doubt that Robert would hate Jon so much that he would go against his own so called "brother" Ned and also, Lyanna's legacy to such an extent where he would force all the six kingdoms to a war, in a cold, uninhabitable remote region where they would probably get wiped out, if not barely win somehow with heavy losses.
@@legobatman5067 oh absolutely, I meant more of a plothole issue. Ned was by no means perfect, but it should be standard practice to bring a large entourage anywhere if you are such an important and powerful lord as him, or at least not such a comically small one. This is more an issue of GRRM being shit with scale and numbers again.
@@SeptonFi I mean you’re right about him being a mid lord but as far as the Jon thing, yeah I agree Ned should’ve told him but exposing him as the last Targaryen in Westeros would’ve put a huge target on his back and not just from Robert, the Lannisters would probably try to have him killed as he could be a danger to their claim to the throne which came through Robert.
@@Baelor-BreakspearJory Cassel is not Rodrik's son, he is Rodrik's nephew. Jory's father (Rodrik's brother) died at the Tower of Joy, where all Stark companions died except Eddard Stark and Howland Reed.
In the books, Ned stark was'nt stabbed from behind but a horse fell on him. In the show , thay made it tough fight for Jaime but everyone knows Jaime would have killed him in a minute. They made Ned stark a better fighter in show.
@@BobbyB_Baratheonthey didn’t make Ned a better fighter. He’s a competent swordsman and a seasoned veteran but he’s old, slow and at no point was he a great swordman, not even at his peak.
Ned didn't know anything about Cat taking Tyrion but covered for her saying he commanded it. What a champ. Cat got them all in trouble. And Ned was a fool for trusting Littlefinger. Who trusts someone who works as a spy for the Lannisters? 😂😂😂😂 And who was rejected by Cat???
@Dreamfyre Agree, Ned tipped their hand and ultimately lost their house. Cat made a couple of mistakes but nothing as egregious as Ned giving Cersei all the pieces. On capturing Tyrion, while a poor political move in hindsight I gotta say it’s not entirely her fault. She was actively avoiding being seen by Tyrion because she wanted to keep her prescence hidden, afterall she secretly went to kings landing. Political fallout would be sure to come. It’s only after Tyrion recognizes her and points her out to everyone in the tavern is she forced to take some kind of action. Lying to Tyrion wouldn’t get her anywhere, he’s smarter than that.
Actually Ned didn't know the King was about to get gored in a hunting accident, nobody did except maybe one worg, if you believe the fan theory. Not having a crystal ball doesn't make Ned stupid 😆
These two actors fed off each other well, and energized the rest if the cast. Pure talent from both of them. And so many in this show had the same effect on others 👍💯😎
I agree he looked awesome, your not the only one I’ve def had those thoughts on what I’d wear, honestly I’d be paranoid as hell if I were in kingslanding id be wearing something similar to oberyn but I’d also be very paranoid in kingslanding so I’d probably keep some hidden chain mail on my like what roose did at the red wedding
@@tyberiuscarter5011 that’s an awesome idea. Light armor definitely helps in the capital. If it’s Hidden even better. I wonder if socks are a thing in Westoros?
@@shootah_mcgaven3424 I would think so, since they had something similar in our own medieval time period. And any solider or a peasant would tell you a good pair of socks could save those toes in the winter
@@SignOfTheTimes008 thats why lord Varys tells Ned while he was in prison that your mercy killed king and put you in trouble as Ned thought if shows mercy towards Cersie and told her to go away after telling he knows the truth. Cersie used his Mercy 😢
I absolutely love that Jaime's smug expression immediately dies and only fury remains as he instantly draws his sword at the mention that tyrion was taken. Hes a fucked up guy but that deep love is admirable
@@SaudiEmperor it’s based on the books, but it diverges in some places. The show added many things. In the first 4 seasons, these were minor tweaks and the main plot was otherwise unchanged. Ned being a great fighter is one of these tweaks. If you watch the fight, Ned was a match for Jaime. Jaime was smiling at first, then got serious once he saw how good Ned was. And Jaime’s men saw that too, which is why they stabbed Ned. If Jaime was clearly better in the show, why would they need to interfere? After all, they didn’t interfere at first when they didn’t know how good Ned was
@@JohnJohn-bz1lqno she did not. She could not bring herself to resent the love of her life who’s been nearly perfect to her. So she directed all her resentment to the bastard, Jon, instead.
Ned really forced this fight when he, as a Lord Paramount, claimed to have ordered the abduction of another Lord Paramount's son. Dude basically declared war against the Westerlands right there.
@@AaronPoole-q3n Yeah, Ned should have thought about the broader implications of what he just said rather than lying to cover for his wife. Nobody had been harmed yet at this point so he could have been mostly honest and said his distraught wife wasn't thinking clearly and promised both Tyrion's release and that his wife would be suitably chastised for overstepping her authority. At worst Ned would have needed to give them something as an apology, money or a favor most perhaps. It would have been humiliating for his wife for her husband to have to publically apologize for her actions but hey she did disobey his orders when she took the dude captive so she would have deserved it.
@@newaccountdoesnotequaltrol6409 now now there's no need for you to be an immature jackass. For the sake of your own dignity please act like a mature adult. Now, you are very much incorrect. Ned didn't know that a Lannister tried to murder his son. All Ned knows at that point in time is that a disreputable pimp has made an unsubstantiated claim that he previously owned the dagger used by the catspaw assassin and lost it in a bet to Tyrion Lannister, and as it turned out this claim was a complete lie. Ned is the leader of a nation and is responsible for hundreds of thousands of lives. It's his responsibility to think before he acts and to act in the best interest of his people and he did not do that here.
Robert was really a useless King. Your wife's brother, a King's guard jumped your Hand in the streets, the warden of the biggest region and killed his men and you let it slide?
They played him and he said so himself. The crown at the time owed Tywin lannister more than 10 million pieces of gold. Robert was well known for indulging in drinking and sleeping and eating feasts and so Tywin played him by funding his pleasure as such he is in literal debt to the lannisters and now he can't do much to them no matter how rash they acted.
What's even worse, is after this incident, Robert visits Ned while he's recovering in bed, he has two major powers in conflict, and decides to go hunting......
@@kayodeowoseni7032 Lol, he's a literal King. Does that mean nothing? I understand the politics behind the scenes but still? How do you expect to be effective or your Hand to have power when he can be jumped without consequences?
@@Stark720s Yes I understand. Robert should have been more proactive but them lannsisters were smart. He was surrounded by all them. His wife is a lannister (Cercei), the captain of his kingsguard is a lannister (Jaime), his sponsor is a lannister (Tywin) even his squire boy and children were lannisters. He was surrounded by them betray one and you will betray all. Ned was only hand for a short time he doesn't have pull and weight around the capital. But yes I agree Robert was a horrible king. He even said so himself the reason he travelled 2 months to make it up north is because he said he plans on "Drinking and sleeping while ned rules the state for him as his hand" he is a bad leader and I think he is slightly aware of it. The only thing Robert knows how to do as a king is fight.
Jaime pushed Bran out of the window (which Cat knows, but cannot prove) and an assassin tried to finish Bran off at Winterfell. She has enough cause to arrest one of the Lannisters, but she isn't mindful of the political magnitude of that.
Jamie lanister is my all time favorite character..I have never read a book and hated a character just for him to be my favorite character a few books later
He’ll never be sure either, that one asshole red cloak saw to that. All Jaime wanted/wants is a clean 1v1 to prove himself and avenge his mentor Arthur Dayne.
Lannisters Always proving ti show only numbers than skills. We would have a good fight between Eddard and Jamie if the asshole soldiers wouldn't sticked Ned By his back.
@@vulcanico2212Ned would've died lol, I know it hurts seeing an asshole Jaime toy with the most honorable guy in the show. But Jaime was the best of his generation lol, according to the author himself, it's Arthur Dayne, Barriston Selmy and Jamie all time in terms of sword, according to George himself
Jaime's love for Tyrion is unrivalled. No political scheming, not an excise for a fight, he's just genuinely malding thinking to himself "these fucks think they can just mess with Tyrion."
Jamie may have been an asshole back then but he loved his brother, was ready to declare war on House Stark and until recently the Hand of the King for him.
I love how this scene has so much weight factoring in Arthur dayne etc, makes me wonder what other scenes are so much more important without the knowledge of the books
Anyone else find it totally immersion breaking when all of the Stark men just stand there and allow the Lannister guards to through their lances at them?
Problem with this is that in medieval times as this show tries to mimic trying to pull attack on king or some feudal lord was punishable by death. Tywin by taking Jaime in after this fight and sending him with half of his army would be seen as high treason and Tywin himself would be executed like dog. Doesnt matter that he is wealthy. U cannot attack king or his people for lolz
Once again thanks Caitlin. If she was rational a lot of hardship wouldn't have happened. Ned did bring some upon himself but Caitlin didn't help matters.
Ned is a criminally underestimated swordsman by those who read the books, but given the wars he fought and the knights he would have inevitably crossed steel with, there is no way you don’t put Ned in the top twenty swordsman in Westeros, during his prime. Now, before everyone goes bonkers, I am not saying he could take out Jaime, absolutely not, but I am saying he would be able to hold his own for some time. It wouldn’t just be three or four swings of the blade before Jamie cut. Ed‘s head off.Nedis a cool, calculating, experienced warrior and would know the style and pace in which two defend himself for the maximum amount of time, because I believe that would be his strategy,his only hope, sorry to try and tire out Jamie because the king slayer would naturally go after Ned like a lion, all claws and teeth, constantly pressing, trying to end Ned as fast as possible and then it may have a chance to bring this battle to a stalemate by tiring Jamie. a tall order I know and I doubt he could finish Jamie highly doubt, but I think he could maybe defend himself long enough to make it a laborious task. Jamie beats Ned, we all know this, I just think you can’t discount Ned’s calm, collected, tactical mind and how angry, emotional, confident, and therefor overzealous, Jaime would be. He could definitely be so enraptured with the killing of Ned that he doesn’t realize Ned is pulling the ole Ali Rooe-uh- dope. In a normal battle, Jaime takes it, no doubt, but given what I have explained here…What do you guys think? Think Ned could lead Jaime in to tiring himself as he did with Brienne in the show? Note: I am aware in the books Jaime was weak and malnourished and Brienne was still probably saved by a slippery rock😂
Didn't Geroge say that Ned was meerly an "adequate" swordsman? Plenty of other people did as much or more fighting than him in the books and plenty of people had just as much training as him so at best I'd say he deserves to be called above average. Given that everyone mistakenly thinks he defeated Arthur Dayne it'd be more accurate to say that the opposit of your claim is ture, and that he's highly OVERESTIMATED as a swordsman.
@@TheRealRightPrice You may be right, it’s subjective in the end. I just always hear people speak as if Ned is only a strategic kind and is of no consequence with a sword. I just think he has to have some skill as a fighter, in general. Perhaps not so much emphasis on the sword itself, but to think he isn’t at least a bit above the average warrior seems wrong. Like, his instincts as ability to see a person’s penchant to attack and defend certain ways, leaning on their front foot too much or not getting their shield up after making a hack or slash at an enemy. Things like that. I guess he wouldn’t have ever needed to meet soldiers in the field, but given the character they portray Ned as, I can’t believe she sits back a thousand yards, atop some beautiful horse, never crossing swords with another man. Just don’t see that happening, Ned doesn’t ask others to do what he wouldn’t engage in himself, like swinging the sword of justice.
@@TheRealRightPrice And, my bad, I should have spoken with more clarity. I mean people in our world, our reality. You’re 100% right, GoT characters are probably a bit misled as to the skill of Ned with a sword, for the very reason you propose…Arthur Dayne. He couldn’t help it, i suppose. He would have destroyed , at the least, Howland Reed”s honor, should the show be accurate in its depiction of the Seord of the Morning”s death. Regardless, I understand your point, don’t think I don’t consider your comment one of practicality and isn’t supported. You’re surely not speaking from your feelings alone.
@@craven4bmore709 I'm not sure where you get the impression that battlefield commanders in that world sit back on their horses on hills well away from the actual fighting. Every commander we've ever seen in the show and books was leading from the front and fighting in the thick of it with their men. Even old ass Tywin and tiny Tyrion were mixing it up in the melees of the battles they led. Ned, Robert, Rob, Jon, Jeor, Tywin, Tyrion, Jamie, and Stannis were all directly commanders leading armies in wars leading up to and during the time period of the show/books and they all directly fought on the field with their soldiers. Most Lords in Westeros who could physically do so fought, even in the battles they were leading where they probably would have been more effective coordinating from the rear instead. With rare exceptions like Samwell Tarly most noble Westerosi boys grow up relishing training to fight and listening to stories glorifying warriors and knights and wars of the past (their culture glorifies violence and fighting as much as our own does). It'd be the rare exceptions to find male nobles in Westeros who didn't receive extensive combat training in swords, bows, and other such weapons since early childhood. It's like part of their basic education.
@@craven4bmore709 if you're talking about people irl underestimating his sword skills then sure, it would be reasonable for them to do so when the only people we've ever seen him fight are freaking Jamie Lannister and Arthur Dayne, two of the top three in Westeros during Neds lifetime. Of course people might get the impression that he's worse than he really is when they've only seen him getting either toyed with or outright humiliated when he fought the literal best of the best. But I'd say you shouldn't overcorrect because of that and end up overestimating him as a result.
This showcases Lannister arrogance perfectly random nobleman attacks the kings cheif advisor in public for (allegedly) arresting a man legally for questioning
Jamie loved Tyrion because they were brothers, i have 3 brothers and one died sadly he was my youngest brother and i would give anything to have him back beside me now ❓
Legends say that littlefinger is still looking for the citywatch
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Also his throat!
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@@xshandy5812that's why I said legends say you moron
@@xshandy5812 you are a stolen comment
I'll admit, it was stupid of Ned to remove his shield and still be in Kingslanding...
What do you mean?
@stelarmedusa3528 it's like what Jaime said.
"You're no longer hand of the king,"
So, legally speaking (which was just an easy excuse for Jaimie to fight Ned.
That's what I mean by shield since he removed it. He was technically defenseless
Ned had literally everything handed to him on a silver platter and still failed the game of thrones
Man was honorable but stupid
Yeah that’s the kinda two week notice you wanna submit from home 😅
@@open_minded7983The weird part is, it doesn’t make it any less murder. Stark hadn’t committed any crimes, yet. So the fact that he isn’t Hand anymore doesn’t change anything, really.
throw back to when I thought Littlefinger is a good guy
Hah what?! When?! Where?! That dude was bad from the start. He wanted everyone to fight like this to make it earlier for him to take power! The city guard probably in the opposite direction he went and he was laughing like and evil villain the entire way... 😂
@@yusukeurameshi7744 i dont think you understood what "throw back to WHEN" means
@@TheGoblinHub. I fully understand what they meant and the point I was making if you actually knew the source material as well as I do as I've read all the books thru twice and seen the show at least 3 times that Littlefinger was NEVER a good guy even at this point... He's been plotting since well before this point before the story even begins... He's one of the reasons why the kingdom was heavily indebt at this point and that was part of his plan to plunge the realm into chaos in order to claim power for himself... Your welcome.
@@yusukeurameshi7744 bro.. everyone knows this. You still missed the point. The dude knows litte finger was bad even at that point, he is talking about when he FIRST saw the scene, he thought LF was being genuine, lmfao. You are pointing out the obvious and acting like you're intelligent.
@@TheGoblinHub. Not everyone knows that dummy! I didn't even know that when I 1st watched the show and clearly this dude didn't either! I'm explaining for those who don't know so hop off my meatstick! I know it's nice and big but you don't gotta thot out on me...
Jaime was the only one who loved Tyrion...
Yeah that’s true
Your forgetting tommen and mycella
In the show (but not the book) Shae loved him too. Shae and Jaime really loved him. Then Bronn, Varys, Danny cared for and respected him also, in their way. He even managed to make the mountain clans love him and fight for him. And yes, Tommen and Myrcella.
He wasn't this poor reject loved only by Jaime.
His father hated him but respected his intelligence. That's why he named him Hand of the King in his stead.
But his proud father just couldn't accept that he was a dwarf (and his beloved Johanna died giving birth to him). Had he been a normal looking man, his father would have loved him more than Jaime since Jaime was nothing like Tywin, he only wanted to fck Cersei and deep down he was kind and honourable, and Tyrion was Tywin with a heart.
That's not true. Cersei loved him, as well. She showed that when she couldn't bring herself to execute him.
Tysha loved him.
Catelyn's stupid moves made Starks pay a hefty price.
@DreamfyreThe Starks just do everything to themselves lmao. Literally every single one of them besides Rickon, Bran and arguably Arya fvck themselves over 😭
@Dreamfyreshe was always liability things could’ve gone diff for Ned n Rob - gave up significant leverage. Ned was honorable to say otherwise is meritless
She made many stupid moves.
@@ericgolden2070 Sounds like you just wanna blame a woman. Being honorable doesn't make you smart. There's a reason the honorable are never the ones in power: Honor isn't practical, its a set of rules made up by those in power to keep their warriors in line. From the Samurai of Japan to the Knights of England, the powerful are only there by scheming and using every trick they have to.
@@TheGrumbliestPuppy want to blame women bc of comment on 1 woman lolll u sound like 1 woman can do no wrong n no accountability. Hating on honor lol, sounds like something someone would say after resorting to wanting to blame women, oh wait 🙄 enjoy la la land 🌙
It always bothered me how easily they speared those two dudes. Like they just stood there and died immediately.
they were npc's
No budget from season one considering they had to reshoot the entire pilot lol and fire half the cast
exactly, and they are supposed to be two of the best swords in Ned's guards except the captain
We lost ROME for this show remember
@@BostonBruinsOWNI was not aware of this.
Jamie is literally Prince Charming
Anti prince charming
From Shrek 2 lol
And yet, he is not
I literally thought the actor was molded on him or same actor 😂
@@TripleR250 Ironically, Robb Stark was Prince Charming in the live action Cinderella
Once, I have read a very clever comment on that scene and feel like it would be extremely beneficial for every watcher to understand, even if it must have been said a hundred times before, what was really going on in Littlefinger's head. His strategy is perfect. His words, his actions, his tone of voice. Nothing in them could have offended anyone in any case. Expressing his worry at the sight of Jaime and his men assures him of Ned's trust in the scenario where the hand of the king gets out of the situation unhurt and very much alive, yet it doesn't make him look bad in Jamie's eyes either (whose father is one of the few men Littlefinger fears), as he doesn't concretely do anything to stop him. His final line "I'll bring the City Watch" is the best excuse for him to not witness the fight he knows damn well is gonna happen the second he exits the scene and it permits him to escape without having to pick anyone's side for future potentiel testimony. He has no intentions of bringing anyone anywhere of course, and no matter who dies or who gets hurt, he'll be happy about it. His hate for Ned as a person and as Cat's husband as well as his lack of respect for the Lannisters make him okay with whatever ending the confrontation may have. Truly a rat and a mastermind this one.
I’m glad you can read a scene
@@Endorphins27 I can indeed read a scene and I'm well aware I may be stating the obvious, but let me tell you why I've written that comment: the first time I watched it, I was so enthralled by the action, so afraid for Ned, so caught in the story, that I didn't have time to analyze what was happening and the person whose comment I read a while ago made me realize I never got a chance to truly think about every character's motivations. My intention here was merely to draw attention to it for someone else that might be in the same case I once was in myself.
@@mrs_know_it_all153 Write shorter comments bro.
Love the analysis, I can only imagine the depth in the books as well. Need to purchase the series n give it a go 🤙
@@Endorphins27, Samael, shut up.
At least this person is writing something of importance and intelligence.
Whereas you two are just using your caveman brains to write belittling comments. 😂
Well done, @Mrs. Knows it all.
Stark fighting Lannisters. *background music plays Targaryen theme*
Jaime is Targaryen bro
Mr. Westeros
@@barra86 explain how Jaime is targeryan ?
@@TiaguinhoMu💀
@@TiaguinhoMu This is one of the theories that says that Jaime and Tyrion are actually the children of Aerys II and that they would ride Daenerys' dragons hahahaha
Tbf, it's kinda ned's fault for only bringing like twenty guys with him from the North. He is the Lord Paramount of the largest of the Seven Kingdoms going to King's Landing to serve as Hand of the King, making him easily the second most powerful person in Westeros, at least in theory, and is bringing his two daughters with him, one to be married to the future king. He should have an entourage of hundreds, at least, not a barely fifty. A rare issue shared by both the books and show.
There’s a hundred things you could criticize Ned Stark for in the show and books. He’s meant to be naive to the politics of king’s landing so it makes sense why he didn’t bring many men because he didn’t think he’d be openly attacked like this. It’s more Catelyn’s fault for arresting Tyrion
@@legobatman5067Exactly 💯 Well said.
@@legobatman5067 Ned as a character and a lord was not at all capable. In the show at least, he can't control his wife, can't control his daughter, can't influence/scare his own lords to not conspire against him, was never interested or aware about the outer/inner politics as the supreme lord in the North, allowed his wife to pollute his children with Southern Ideologies and faith, allowed a sept to be built near the Godswood in Winterfell itself, the land of the First Men and you call him just naïve?
Not to mention, his entire useless upbringing of Jon Snow and his complete abandoning of Jon's identity, which was never his to hide.
And please, don't tell me it was because he was scared of Robert. A broken six kingdoms, barely held together, recovering from war can not do anything against a war hardened northern army if Ned really wanted to protect and nurture Jon in the way he really deserved.
Plus, I doubt that Robert would hate Jon so much that he would go against his own so called "brother" Ned and also, Lyanna's legacy to such an extent where he would force all the six kingdoms to a war, in a cold, uninhabitable remote region where they would probably get wiped out, if not barely win somehow with heavy losses.
@@legobatman5067 oh absolutely, I meant more of a plothole issue. Ned was by no means perfect, but it should be standard practice to bring a large entourage anywhere if you are such an important and powerful lord as him, or at least not such a comically small one. This is more an issue of GRRM being shit with scale and numbers again.
@@SeptonFi I mean you’re right about him being a mid lord but as far as the Jon thing, yeah I agree Ned should’ve told him but exposing him as the last Targaryen in Westeros would’ve put a huge target on his back and not just from Robert, the Lannisters would probably try to have him killed as he could be a danger to their claim to the throne which came through Robert.
Jory was a good man
Word nobody ever grieved for Roderick Cassel’s son
if you thr'en mi lord agen
Had an eye for good steel.
@@Baelor-BreakspearJory Cassel is not Rodrik's son, he is Rodrik's nephew. Jory's father (Rodrik's brother) died at the Tower of Joy, where all Stark companions died except Eddard Stark and Howland Reed.
@@ffarkasm ohhh okay thanks man
Jamie was pissed dude stabbed him in the leg. Jamie DOES have honor.
No he doesn’t and he never did
@@Gokizaso you know nothing about the character
@@Ashintothewild there’s nothing to know besides him being an oathbreaking sister fucker, or did I miss something?
In the books, Ned stark was'nt stabbed from behind but a horse fell on him. In the show , thay made it tough fight for Jaime but everyone knows Jaime would have killed him in a minute. They made Ned stark a better fighter in show.
@@BobbyB_Baratheonthey didn’t make Ned a better fighter. He’s a competent swordsman and a seasoned veteran but he’s old, slow and at no point was he a great swordman, not even at his peak.
Ned didn't know anything about Cat taking Tyrion but covered for her saying he commanded it. What a champ. Cat got them all in trouble. And Ned was a fool for trusting Littlefinger. Who trusts someone who works as a spy for the Lannisters? 😂😂😂😂
And who was rejected by Cat???
@Dreamfyre Agree, Ned tipped their hand and ultimately lost their house. Cat made a couple of mistakes but nothing as egregious as Ned giving Cersei all the pieces.
On capturing Tyrion, while a poor political move in hindsight I gotta say it’s not entirely her fault. She was actively avoiding being seen by Tyrion because she wanted to keep her prescence hidden, afterall she secretly went to kings landing. Political fallout would be sure to come.
It’s only after Tyrion recognizes her and points her out to everyone in the tavern is she forced to take some kind of action. Lying to Tyrion wouldn’t get her anywhere, he’s smarter than that.
@Dreamfyrewell tbh both Catelyn and Lysa are the reasons everything went downhill, adding a bit of Littlefingers scheming and Neds stupidity et voilà.
Who trusts someone who is named little finger? 😂
Actually Ned didn't know the King was about to get gored in a hunting accident, nobody did except maybe one worg, if you believe the fan theory. Not having a crystal ball doesn't make Ned stupid 😆
@@Azraiel213 well Ned was stupid, for not working with Renly
These two actors fed off each other well, and energized the rest if the cast. Pure talent from both of them. And so many in this show had the same effect on others 👍💯😎
To this day, Littlefinger is still looking for the city's watch
😂
That fit on Jaime is so dope. Anyone ever thinks about what they would wear if they were in that world? Maybe it’s just me I guess lol.
It's an Arming Jacket. And yah they're fuckin cool. Also "fit"? What the fuck is that? Just say outfit.
@@AugustTheStagnah. I like fit. But the jacket is cool I agree…
I agree he looked awesome, your not the only one I’ve def had those thoughts on what I’d wear, honestly I’d be paranoid as hell if I were in kingslanding id be wearing something similar to oberyn but I’d also be very paranoid in kingslanding so I’d probably keep some hidden chain mail on my like what roose did at the red wedding
@@tyberiuscarter5011 that’s an awesome idea. Light armor definitely helps in the capital. If it’s Hidden even better. I wonder if socks are a thing in Westoros?
@@shootah_mcgaven3424 I would think so, since they had something similar in our own medieval time period. And any solider or a peasant would tell you a good pair of socks could save those toes in the winter
I love Jaime's arming jacket. Its iconic
Agreed. The Jacket is sick. Luke’s yellow jacket at the end of A New Hope is pretty sick too. 👍
easily jaime's best fit in the whole series
Outfit
Neds wife got him killed
Catelyn Stark was the downfall of her husband's house.
Catelyn, Cersei and lysa Arryn got everyone killed
True. But if Ned hadn't told Cersei he knew about her children, and just told Robert, he could have saved a lot of killing
@@SignOfTheTimes008 thats why lord Varys tells Ned while he was in prison that your mercy killed king and put you in trouble as Ned thought if shows mercy towards Cersie and told her to go away after telling he knows the truth.
Cersie used his Mercy 😢
She got everyone in her family killed.
No better way to provoke Jaime Lannister than to mess with his baby brother
Best comment. I ❤ Jaime
But Jamie tried to kill his son
I absolutely love that Jaime's smug expression immediately dies and only fury remains as he instantly draws his sword at the mention that tyrion was taken. Hes a fucked up guy but that deep love is admirable
you can say whatever you want about Jaime...that was some gangsta shit rolling up on Ned like that for his brother.
Easy to do with 30 men at your back
@@25JoeBidenJaime could’ve beaten Ned 1v1, he’s a far better swordsman.
@@SaudiEmperor not in the show. they were evenly matched. in the books yeah, he would beaten ned easily
@@ahmediqbal9869 The show is based on the books, Jaime is clearly the better fighter, what are you on about?
@@SaudiEmperor it’s based on the books, but it diverges in some places. The show added many things. In the first 4 seasons, these were minor tweaks and the main plot was otherwise unchanged. Ned being a great fighter is one of these tweaks. If you watch the fight, Ned was a match for Jaime. Jaime was smiling at first, then got serious once he saw how good Ned was. And Jaime’s men saw that too, which is why they stabbed Ned. If Jaime was clearly better in the show, why would they need to interfere? After all, they didn’t interfere at first when they didn’t know how good Ned was
Back when GoT was goat.
back when it was copied and pasted from the books*
@@aleemizcool3654Man it’s almost like the show is based on the books or something, weird.
@@mrmills45 What happened in the newer seasons buddy 😂😂
This was 1st season, not goated yet
Season 2 was goated not season 1 get it right.
The facial expression at "short man" always makes me smile : )
Jaime really loves Tyrion, he moved immediately for his little brother
If Ned and his guard retreated and barricaded themselves inside the brothel they'd probably've be in a better situation
Sorry to comment but only Lord Walder Frey will have the guts to do that move
😂😂😂😂😂😂 @@wormchampion9893
What a scene, so well executed. Jaime’s actor killed it
Instant taking care of the wife
She resented him because of John
@@JohnJohn-bz1lqno she did not. She could not bring herself to resent the love of her life who’s been nearly perfect to her. So she directed all her resentment to the bastard, Jon, instead.
And look what that got him
There was very much misunderstanding and everyone is right for themselves ,,What a great piece of cinema
Ned really forced this fight when he, as a Lord Paramount, claimed to have ordered the abduction of another Lord Paramount's son. Dude basically declared war against the Westerlands right there.
I needed that thank you,, I didn't know what Ned was taken for
@@AaronPoole-q3n Yeah, Ned should have thought about the broader implications of what he just said rather than lying to cover for his wife. Nobody had been harmed yet at this point so he could have been mostly honest and said his distraught wife wasn't thinking clearly and promised both Tyrion's release and that his wife would be suitably chastised for overstepping her authority. At worst Ned would have needed to give them something as an apology, money or a favor most perhaps. It would have been humiliating for his wife for her husband to have to publically apologize for her actions but hey she did disobey his orders when she took the dude captive so she would have deserved it.
So Ned should just ignore the fact a lannister tried to MURDER his son. Man I hope you don't have any kids of your pwn
@@newaccountdoesnotequaltrol6409 now now there's no need for you to be an immature jackass. For the sake of your own dignity please act like a mature adult.
Now, you are very much incorrect. Ned didn't know that a Lannister tried to murder his son. All Ned knows at that point in time is that a disreputable pimp has made an unsubstantiated claim that he previously owned the dagger used by the catspaw assassin and lost it in a bet to Tyrion Lannister, and as it turned out this claim was a complete lie. Ned is the leader of a nation and is responsible for hundreds of thousands of lives. It's his responsibility to think before he acts and to act in the best interest of his people and he did not do that here.
@TheRealRightPrice he is a father and husband above all. Seriously I hope you don't have children
The medieval equivalent of walking around opposing gang territory with the Capo's brother held random.
Funny that littleFinger caused All of this Lannister and starks beef
Robert was really a useless King.
Your wife's brother, a King's guard jumped your Hand in the streets, the warden of the biggest region and killed his men and you let it slide?
They played him and he said so himself. The crown at the time owed Tywin lannister more than 10 million pieces of gold. Robert was well known for indulging in drinking and sleeping and eating feasts and so Tywin played him by funding his pleasure as such he is in literal debt to the lannisters and now he can't do much to them no matter how rash they acted.
Well, he kept his honour. If whoremongoring isn't included.
What's even worse, is after this incident, Robert visits Ned while he's recovering in bed, he has two major powers in conflict, and decides to go hunting......
@@kayodeowoseni7032 Lol, he's a literal King. Does that mean nothing? I understand the politics behind the scenes but still?
How do you expect to be effective or your Hand to have power when he can be jumped without consequences?
@@Stark720s Yes I understand. Robert should have been more proactive but them lannsisters were smart. He was surrounded by all them. His wife is a lannister (Cercei), the captain of his kingsguard is a lannister (Jaime), his sponsor is a lannister (Tywin) even his squire boy and children were lannisters. He was surrounded by them betray one and you will betray all. Ned was only hand for a short time he doesn't have pull and weight around the capital. But yes I agree Robert was a horrible king. He even said so himself the reason he travelled 2 months to make it up north is because he said he plans on "Drinking and sleeping while ned rules the state for him as his hand" he is a bad leader and I think he is slightly aware of it. The only thing Robert knows how to do as a king is fight.
Jaime had that drip in this scene 🔥
Jory has some big balls. He's ready to challenge Jaime at the drop of a hat
I love how you see even this early on how much Jaime loved his brother. He was furious when Ned admitted it.
From Jamie's perspective this made sense like bro just said he had his brother kidnapped for seemingly no reason
Jaime pushed Bran out of the window (which Cat knows, but cannot prove) and an assassin tried to finish Bran off at Winterfell. She has enough cause to arrest one of the Lannisters, but she isn't mindful of the political magnitude of that.
Jamie lanister is my all time favorite character..I have never read a book and hated a character just for him to be my favorite character a few books later
Always funny that a kings guard member isn’t protecting the king but just roaming around fighting the hand of the king lol
Ned bro had to show off his knowledge to cercei😂😂
That's a nice coat.
Jamie sure changed a lot after loosing his hand
Little finger and joffrey were the most satisfying karma moments of the show.
Man imagine training for literal years with a sword just to die by some dude chucking a spear through your torso
Atropos
Jamie fighting for his brother ❤
You should turn the music up a bit, I can still hear some of the dialogue
Jaime's fit here was absolute fire
Littlefinger went back to the building to call 911... Possibly
Bro's prince charming
lol if charming was a douchey coward maybe
And he ended up supporting the Starks as there is no chance to survive 😂😂
i believe Jaime's outfit is th same one Rusty bought in Italy in European Vacation. Not only does he LOOK cool...he FEELS cool, also! 😅
Love it how jaime immidiatly takes his sword as ned is talking about tyrion and his „crimes“
Littlefinger went back inside with huge grin on his nasty face.
How to die from a spear 101.
Ned was a fool, he could've fall back and closed to door and send one of he's trusted man for city watch
Jamie is disappointed that Ned wasn't a good as his legend says
He’ll never be sure either, that one asshole red cloak saw to that.
All Jaime wanted/wants is a clean 1v1 to prove himself and avenge his mentor Arthur Dayne.
Lannisters Always proving ti show only numbers than skills. We would have a good fight between Eddard and Jamie if the asshole soldiers wouldn't sticked Ned By his back.
He couldn't really put the legend to the test as one of his men interfered, which absolutely pissed him off.
@@vulcanico2212Ned would've died lol, I know it hurts seeing an asshole Jaime toy with the most honorable guy in the show. But Jaime was the best of his generation lol, according to the author himself, it's Arthur Dayne, Barriston Selmy and Jamie all time in terms of sword, according to George himself
@@Strangeronapathnot in the show lol. Gfy lol
Jaime's love for Tyrion is unrivalled. No political scheming, not an excise for a fight, he's just genuinely malding thinking to himself "these fucks think they can just mess with Tyrion."
This is my favorite version of Jamie
The one who casually kills children when caught boinking his sister?
When storytelling made sense, now, it's just a distant memory.
Yet another reason why I liked the gaming of Jamie later so much
Damn this scene is awesome when you realize Jaime knew absolutely nothing about Jon Arryn's death and was just trying to protect his brother.
Heel JAIME was a menace fr.... 😂
Even though good people won but most of time they faced misery
One of the greatest what ifs in TV history. And literature
Jamie may have been an asshole back then but he loved his brother, was ready to declare war on House Stark and until recently the Hand of the King for him.
Okay and?
@@25JoeBiden nothing. Just an observation.
I love how this scene has so much weight factoring in Arthur dayne etc, makes me wonder what other scenes are so much more important without the knowledge of the books
In the books it was nighttime and raining. Also, jamie left and told his men not to harm Ned.
Anyone else find it totally immersion breaking when all of the Stark men just stand there and allow the Lannister guards to through their lances at them?
Season 1 really is the best season.
season 4 by far
The Starks never dodge. Neither does their guards.
"You remember my brother? Blond hair..." What? 😂
For all his blustering and bravado, Jaime was evenly matched with Ned Stark when it came to swordplay.
😮 Tyrion committed crimes ??? When ? Where? Who? I'm a #Tyrionteam !😂
Littlefinger, the Hand of the King and the Handsome Kingslayer about to loose a Hand. It's just all so on theme.
Problem with this is that in medieval times as this show tries to mimic trying to pull attack on king or some feudal lord was punishable by death. Tywin by taking Jaime in after this fight and sending him with half of his army would be seen as high treason and Tywin himself would be executed like dog. Doesnt matter that he is wealthy. U cannot attack king or his people for lolz
@Dreamfyre sure but Robert definitely can command kill Lannisters, and it can be. But John Arryn said other side of coin with a good way
Jamie always loved his brother.
Ned didn't even blink...😅
this Jamie will probably be capable of defeating Ned in a fair fight
this scene is far better than the entire eighth season
"Such a small pack of wolves 😂"
Once again thanks Caitlin. If she was rational a lot of hardship wouldn't have happened. Ned did bring some upon himself but Caitlin didn't help matters.
As much as i despised jamie at that time gotta give him respect for defending his little brother
As cool as Ned is, looking back it's no suprise it didn't end well for him.
Ned is a criminally underestimated swordsman by those who read the books, but given the wars he fought and the knights he would have inevitably crossed steel with, there is no way you don’t put Ned in the top twenty swordsman in Westeros, during his prime.
Now, before everyone goes bonkers, I am not saying he could take out Jaime, absolutely not, but I am saying he would be able to hold his own for some time. It wouldn’t just be three or four swings of the blade before Jamie cut. Ed‘s head off.Nedis a cool, calculating, experienced warrior and would know the style and pace in which two defend himself for the maximum amount of time, because I believe that would be his strategy,his only hope, sorry to try and tire out Jamie because the king slayer would naturally go after Ned like a lion, all claws and teeth, constantly pressing, trying to end Ned as fast as possible and then it may have a chance to bring this battle to a stalemate by tiring Jamie. a tall order I know and I doubt he could finish Jamie highly doubt, but I think he could maybe defend himself long enough to make it a laborious task.
Jamie beats Ned, we all know this, I just think you can’t discount Ned’s calm, collected, tactical mind and how angry, emotional, confident, and therefor overzealous, Jaime would be. He could definitely be so enraptured with the killing of Ned that he doesn’t realize Ned is pulling the ole Ali Rooe-uh- dope.
In a normal battle, Jaime takes it, no doubt, but given what I have explained here…What do you guys think? Think Ned could lead Jaime in to tiring himself as he did with Brienne in the show?
Note: I am aware in the books Jaime was weak and malnourished and Brienne was still probably saved by a slippery rock😂
Didn't Geroge say that Ned was meerly an "adequate" swordsman? Plenty of other people did as much or more fighting than him in the books and plenty of people had just as much training as him so at best I'd say he deserves to be called above average. Given that everyone mistakenly thinks he defeated Arthur Dayne it'd be more accurate to say that the opposit of your claim is ture, and that he's highly OVERESTIMATED as a swordsman.
@@TheRealRightPrice You may be right, it’s subjective in the end. I just always hear people speak as if Ned is only a strategic kind and is of no consequence with a sword. I just think he has to have some skill as a fighter, in general. Perhaps not so much emphasis on the sword itself, but to think he isn’t at least a bit above the average warrior seems wrong. Like, his instincts as ability to see a person’s penchant to attack and defend certain ways, leaning on their front foot too much or not getting their shield up after making a hack or slash at an enemy. Things like that.
I guess he wouldn’t have ever needed to meet soldiers in the field, but given the character they portray Ned as, I can’t believe she sits back a thousand yards, atop some beautiful horse, never crossing swords with another man. Just don’t see that happening, Ned doesn’t ask others to do what he wouldn’t engage in himself, like swinging the sword of justice.
@@TheRealRightPrice And, my bad, I should have spoken with more clarity. I mean people in our world, our reality. You’re 100% right, GoT characters are probably a bit misled as to the skill of Ned with a sword, for the very reason you propose…Arthur Dayne. He couldn’t help it, i suppose. He would have destroyed , at the least, Howland Reed”s honor, should the show be accurate in its depiction of the Seord of the Morning”s death. Regardless, I understand your point, don’t think I don’t consider your comment one of practicality and isn’t supported. You’re surely not speaking from your feelings alone.
@@craven4bmore709 I'm not sure where you get the impression that battlefield commanders in that world sit back on their horses on hills well away from the actual fighting. Every commander we've ever seen in the show and books was leading from the front and fighting in the thick of it with their men. Even old ass Tywin and tiny Tyrion were mixing it up in the melees of the battles they led. Ned, Robert, Rob, Jon, Jeor, Tywin, Tyrion, Jamie, and Stannis were all directly commanders leading armies in wars leading up to and during the time period of the show/books and they all directly fought on the field with their soldiers. Most Lords in Westeros who could physically do so fought, even in the battles they were leading where they probably would have been more effective coordinating from the rear instead. With rare exceptions like Samwell Tarly most noble Westerosi boys grow up relishing training to fight and listening to stories glorifying warriors and knights and wars of the past (their culture glorifies violence and fighting as much as our own does). It'd be the rare exceptions to find male nobles in Westeros who didn't receive extensive combat training in swords, bows, and other such weapons since early childhood. It's like part of their basic education.
@@craven4bmore709 if you're talking about people irl underestimating his sword skills then sure, it would be reasonable for them to do so when the only people we've ever seen him fight are freaking Jamie Lannister and Arthur Dayne, two of the top three in Westeros during Neds lifetime. Of course people might get the impression that he's worse than he really is when they've only seen him getting either toyed with or outright humiliated when he fought the literal best of the best. But I'd say you shouldn't overcorrect because of that and end up overestimating him as a result.
Jamie really loved tryion ,started a war for him .scarfice everything on spot for his brother i envy that❤🔥❤️🔥
This showcases Lannister arrogance perfectly random nobleman attacks the kings cheif advisor in public for (allegedly) arresting a man legally for questioning
Jamie loved Tyrion because they were brothers, i have 3 brothers and one died sadly he was my youngest brother and i would give anything to have him back beside me now ❓
He wanted to take him alive but when Stark was subdued he just left him. Should have taken him to Tywin's camp.
This actor tradition to get killed in every movie from stupid reasons is legendary 😂
Anyone From India 🇮🇳 #starks family ❤
I blame Cat for this, i hate her character so much that I know im biased, but really i still think its objectively her fault this occurred.
Don't ever have kids
Challenges TO a fight, not FOR a fight.
Jaime loves his brother ❤
He was right that was indeed a small pack of wolves Ned should have brought more soldiers
In the books littlefinger actually brought the guard, but too late
Said to see the Capt. Die like that. Felt we could have seen more of his loyalty. Would have been nice
Gods the dialogue was strong then
I wonder if Littlefinger ever found the city watch.
Lannisters' biggest weapon against Starks was Catelyn.
Forget Little Finger. Sure he may have one but his real nickname should have been Little Simp