Great Empire of the Dawn: Stygai & Oily Black Stone
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2021
- "What's up with the oily black stone" is one of the most frequent and most interesting questions I get asked, so here it is: a full break down of oily & greasy black stone, Valyrian fused stone, the Seastone Chair, Yeen, Asshai, the Five Forts, and more.
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Valyrians bred dragons for different purposes. Now I can't get Flintstones out of my head. There's a little dragon that's only purpose is to heat the tea kettle and it shrugs at the camera and says, "Hey, it's a living."
Hahahahaha
Apprenticed as a cigarette-lighter until it grew up...
don’t forget the ones that drew a portrait inside the camera
"On his head sat a rounded helm of shining, polished white, while upon his body he wore a sleeveless coat of the brightest yellow, a yellow that glowed with the light of day even in the dusk, and which was edged about with stripes of glistening silver that reflected the light of their torches as if they had a light within of their own."
I’m also reminded of the Spice Weasel from Futurama....
"Someday Rhaegar, all this will be yours!"
"What, the curtains?"
🤣🤣🤣
I prefer to believe that the birds are trying to tell him the ending.
Snow! King! Snow!
Yeh well I wish they would try and tell him while he isn’t trying to stream and have other people try and listen.
When you listen on headphones it’s really annoying, distracting and hurts my brain after 20 min - half an hour.
😂
I love that George doesn't feel compelled to share things about his world just so people can know. I love the number of unsolved mysteries of asoiaf, and as tantalizing as it would be to learn some of those secretes, fanservice can be more harmful to a story than it helps, and I think revealing such mysteries would certainly be harmful to the story he's been telling us for the better part of 20 years.
I'm sure you understand the frustration that comes with so many open questions and mysteries. But in the long run we are really blessed by Grrm who, in his wisdom realises the truth behind "show, don't tell"
I think that the Most Cailin stones are SO similar to the oily black stones, but don't usually look oily and don't hurt nature links them to have been built by the same civilization, but weren't corrupted/ cursed. Not sure why, though.
To me, Stygai draws a lot of comparison to Summerhall. Perhaps Stygai was the site of whatever ritual the bloodazor ahaiperor performed to plunge the world into darkness.
I’d think so yes
So to follow up, do you think Summerhall was similar but failed?
@@Fergieluna12 Summerhall was likely an attempt to resurrect dragons. I don't think whatever happened at Stygai was a failure, maybe an unknown side-effect. But the thematic similarities remain, palaces 'corrupted' (literally and figuratively) by dark rituals which occurred there.
Asshai is the most mysterious place. Arya reaching Asshai and exploring this could be thhe most interresting story of them
all
I like the idea that the Five Forts are a remnant of a melted previous Wall on the other side of the world.
Also beards growing real nice.
Maybe the arm of Dorne is flooded because a massive wall of ice melted somewhere.
@@alexmckee4683 i think it was struck by a meteor.
I am really hyped for anything Dany! Now, Dany blowing dragonbinder is cool af, I really love the fact that you don't shy away from magic in your theories and that's what I want: magic growing exponentially before the end
Daario is Dragonbinder. It is known.
oh, there is definitly more magic comeing for us and very likely in danys part of the story, I am just not so sure that that is a "good" thing. We tend to get hyped for magic, but this is grrm who likes to give those thing a bitter taste. Dany survived the pyre due to a human sacrefice, which does not fit her godess of mercy vibe at all.
Magic tends to corrupt and makes people overlook stuff.
Like the wildlings saw Varamyr as a great warrior cause of his controll of his controll of his beasts, despite him beeing a disgusting human beeing, never haveing done anything to deserve reverence and abandoning his troups at the first opportunity.
Brans skinchangeing makes him abuse and mindrape Hodor, to escape feeling traped in his own broken body.
Or resurection, a thing that should make people as to good to die, but the cases we saw all where gruesome and the price they payed might not have been worth it. The banerman follow Stoneheart for it was a sign of the gods, that she walkes again . . . but did it do any good? Should they follow her? Should the thing she does be excused?
Or Mel who can drink poison and see in the flames so she thinks she is right and justefied in burning others while actualy misreading a lot . . . her magic makes her in no way more right and I expect we get something similar with Dany too.
The whole incest and superiority thing the valyriens and then tagaryens had going on was excused with magic, but looking behind the epicness of dragons and a higher heat resistance, where they really chosen to rule and better at it?
In most instances where we encounter magic, there is cruelty and darkness, Ashai, the others, valyriens with slavery and experimentations, the undying, that try to feed of dany, the many mad tagaryens, the others, the cruelty in maggy the frogs prophecy, miri maz durr or probably the scariest magicly inclined person, Euron!
Bloodraven and quaith are regarded by some as positiv forces, but are they? Bloodraven was already knowen to be cruel and manipulativ, so who knowes what exactly his plans are now and Quaiths advice towords dany is embracing fire, blood, selfishness and cruelty . . .
And the singers, again bloodsacrifice, destruction and manipulation.
even at its most benevolent magic is still showen as dangerous and running on sacrefice so what will be the price for the magic we will get to see?
@@casey9439 It is known.
Yay, oily black stone stream.
When I think of stygai I think of river styx garding the underworld, and kadath is only open via dreams. In fantasy there is often portals to other realms, or dimensions as we would call it. Perhaps the heart of winter really is a land of the dead. Maybe it's like that Wheel of Time show, where they opened a dimensional portal opening way for an eldritch evil like gozer in ghost busters, magnifying the evil within men.
The Northorious B.I.G. confirmed name of the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.
Amazing stream, all the pirate vibes with Cleo and your outfit
rrrrrr ahoy there matey
It was as the Lord Commander that B.I.G. decreed the 10 Crack Commandments. (That's right, cocaine is everywhere. Even in Westeros)
@@codyjames715 Shade of the evening is a helluva drug.
If you ain't got the clientele say hell no, cause they gonn want they money hail, sleet, rain, snow.
“Nothing else remains…” George giving us some Ozymandias vibes with Moat Cailin 😁
Impact metamorphism is a good explanation for the wealth of gold and gems in Asshai/Shadowlands... if that is the cause. Heck, it couldd still have residual hydrothermal activity if it was a big enough impact... or the impact could have triggered such.
Now, not all hydrothermal waters are just hot water. They are often HIGHLY acidic and laden with toxic levels of heavy metals. Don't get me started on the oily black look of radioactive thorianite and uraninite...
Do you reddit, dude? You should write some of this stuff up, people would love it.
for the purposes of ASOIAF, I'm not sure it matters whether Planetos is eventually revealed to be such. Even if it turned out to be a science fiction universe, ASOIAF is most definitely a fantasy story.
@@tentaclepawn1548 Occasionally, but I mostly just like shooting the shit about it. I'm happy for moree prominent folks to take my ideas and run with them. It's George's universe, after all. Anything I have to say is just vanity and supposition while I wait for the winds to howl.
@@casey9439 mk but you're definitely onto something here. I don't reddit...but, I'd be all OVER an essay like that, man. So would others. I see you nibbling that humble pie, but man...you got some straight gold sometimes.
I agree. That is what I was thinking too. We also discussed the concept of blackwater a few videos ago. A blackwater river is a type of river with a slow-moving channel flowing through forested swamps or wetlands. As vegetation decays, tannins leach into the water, making a transparent, acidic water that is darkly stained, resembling black tea. If the meteor impacted in an area that used to be a heavily forested area or former low wetland you could get a deadly toxic combination.
It's a shame these books won't ever be finished by Martin
He needs to hire an architect writer to stop him from creating more knots and guiding him forward, not necessarily co-write but someone who has been an architect writer their whole careers who could show him the benefits of following an outline
The oily black stone always makes me think of the “pure, concentrated evil” from Time Bandits.
David Warner is literally in everything else, he might as well be AA as well ;)
No I missed my favorite streamer! Good thing I have the power of RUclips to watch the show as many time as I want.
PRAISE GARTH
Much respect to you from western Canada LML. Really appreciate your insights into the series. Admittedly, I don't listen to many of your streams, I'm a big fan of your old ~20min written and produced videos. Thanks for the great analyses LML, I think you come to the series with a refreshing angle that not only let's people appreciate the intricate plots GRRM sets up, but also the symbolism and metaphor, which I think a lot of other channels overlook.
LML’s in British Columbia? Word
This is one of your older videos but I love the birds in the background. It’s very cute
Cheers for answering my query at the end, thoroughly enjoyed the stream ✌️
In case nobody else has clarified, the telepathic pyramids mentioned by Highland Chicken (that are similar to weirwoods) are from GRRM's short story "And Seven Times Never Kill Man." Would definitely recommend you read it. It also features Bakkalon the Pale Child that GRRM reuses in ASOIAF.
I read a summary of this book after hearing it referenced here. The sci fi nods in asoiaf are some of the most interesting subtle details in the series
The extended mutes are part of the charm. I use the time to praise Garth and try to hold till you unmute!
Stygai seems like the epicenter of a magical catastrophe. Like there's an open portal to the Abyss or something.
You're doing the Old Gods' work!
The end of this stream is so funny 😂😂 thanks David.
In regards to the oily toad-stone idol. More than likely the stone may have already been present, but it cannot be assumed that it was. Many ancient civilizations have large carved and un carved monuments that were quarried vast distances away then moved/sailed and hauled into place. Egyptian obelisks, and Stonehenge are two of the most well known.
Toad stone is very Clark Ashton Smith inspired
I just want to say thank you 🙏🏻 LML for the stream👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻As always, it was awesome, I really appreciate all your videos and the hard work that you invest to create them. You’re the Best on RUclips to explain the WOIAF, no doubt about it!🙋🏼♀️🇨🇦💪🏼😉
Great video lml you got yourself a new fan who's gonna binge watch your entire stock!
This is why I like the chat replays, I was giggling the whole time you were muted at how earnestly the chat was trying to let you know haha
Wow - melted ice wall to explain the 5 forts 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
Hey you probably won’t see this but thank you for these deep dives this is what gets me into series. I’ve been eating up your vids while at work or driving and I’m loving it!
Honestly, the "technical difficulties" makes it so much more wholesome lol
One of your greatest mutes on this one. Even you were impressed by it's length.
Always puts a smile on my face.
Regardless, you do excellent work. Keep it up!
it's so pure and honest isn't it
Couldn't finish watching live 'cause of a blackout, but here I am!
haha, a blackout... lol
The birds actually did a good job of punctuating the Yeen quote. 😁
I think it's probably not that likely that all the Oily Black Stone came from one place. I also think it's possible that there's multiple causes of it, or at least multiple sources of the same corrupting power that turns it from fused to oily stone. Would the the Great Empire of the Dawn ship all that stone so far away (All the way to Westeros) rather than just using local materials as the base ingredients of their structures? In my opinion the Oily Black Stone probably started out as the Fused Stone or a similar material made with dragons, perhaps mined in blocks from local rock and then constructed into buildings after fusing, rather than moulded like Valyria . After this fusing it would become corrupted. I can see how the GEOTD makes a bunch of fused stone with their dragons, and when massive magical calamities or at least continued magic exposure over time occurs, this eventually corrupts into Oily Black Stone.
- Asshai, Stygai -> Stone corrupted by the calamity that created the shadow lands, the moon meteor.
- Yeen, Toad Stone -> Maybe also corrupted by the calamity/meteor but also possibly corrupted by long-term magic use on Sothoryos, such as in Gogossos. (Yeen and Asshai are similar not only in design but that they both kill plants and animals so it's probably a mixture of these causes, and the Toad Stone was probably affected more by Gogossos than Yeen was affected by Gogossos.)
- Battle Isle fortification -> perhaps corrupted by 8 thousand years of Hightower magic as they dwelt within and then on top of it, or perhaps corrupted by by whatever caused its abandonment
- Moat Cailin -> built by GEOTD and then corrupted partially by the partial breaking of the neck which possibly took place _at that location_
- Seastone chair -> Similar design to Toad Stone, perhaps also corrupted by the water magic which was used to flood the neck. They are very close by after all, the seawater around the Iron Islands would have been the water flooding the neck. (When did the Ironborn arrive at the Iron islands? Before or after the Neck was broken? If after, the chair was supposedly right on the beach at that time, in the very water being affected by the Children's magic.)
Some other ideas:
The Seastone Chair and Toad Stone are similar intricate carvings of Oily Black Stone depicting water-related animals (Kraken, Toad), The Seastone Chair is similar to the Battle Isle fortification in terms of construct and the Battle Isle fortification is similar to Yeen, Asshai and Moat Cailin in architectural style. Therefore there is a high likelyhood that they were made by the GEOTD's dragons and corrupted in similar ways to all end up connected like this despite the massive distances between them.
Also, Lovecraft's Toad was made of Basalt, and so is Moat Cailin. Basalt is a Igneous rock formed by the cooling of molten rock, which is also how the Fused Stone is formed, so it seems even more likely that not only is the Oily Black Stone made with dragons but that Moat Cailin is a structure of the GEOTD
Furthermore, when the size of Asshai is being described, it draws attention to Oldtown as being able to fit inside, right after talking about the black stone it is made of. Drawing a connection between Asshai and Oldtown specifically (unlike the other cities mentioned, which were given as a general list), makes the similarities between Battle Isle and Asshai even more harsh.
It would be so easy to confirm this if we could see Valyria, they made all of their buildings and also their roads of Fused Stone and if it really is corrupting magic that causes it to become Oily then it would certainly be very Oily in Valyria.
Anyhoo, that was my idea, your video was great as always!
Unrelated note, I always liked the idea that Westeros wrapped around the globe, over the North Pole and there's a whole other side to the continent inaccessible due to the Heart of Winter being in the way. Not evident but a fun idea!
Do you think there’s any black stone under the ice of the Wall?
@@DavidLightbringer I think it's a distinct possibility. If the GEOTD was in the Neck, the Reach and the Iron Islands there's no reason why they couldn't have been building with the stone in the North. It would make sense, too, that they would try to build a fortification there to mirror the 5 Forts which they also made.
The Wiki says that in The World of Ice and Fire it says the 5 forts were constructed by the God-on-Earth's first Son, the Pearl Emperor, the Bloodstone Emperor's Great Great Great Great Grandfather, long before the Blood Betrayal and the Long Night happened. That is odd because they're supposed to be analogies to the Wall, which was made to keep the Others out. Did the GEOTD know about the Other's before the Long Night?
If so, it's possible the 'First Wall' in Westeros was made of Fused Stone just like the 5 Forts, but was destroyed during the Long Night, necessitating the Ice Wall be constructed on top of it to replace it afterwards. I think something like this is the most likely explanation for why Black Stone would be under the wall. After the Long Night the GEOTD collapsed so wouldn't be around to build with it any more, so if it was under there the GEOTD would have had to do it before the Long Night. The First Wall could have been destroyed in a few ways, by the Other's magic, by a meteor, or possibly by Joramun's Horn. If I'm right and magic calamities or prolonged exposure does transform 5-Forts-esque Fused Stone to Oily Black Stone, this could mean any stone under the wall is corrupted and has become Oily and malignant, which wouldn't be good. Perhaps that links to how the Night King and the rest of the Others hope to destroy it.
After the First Wall collapsed, the Ice Wall could have been built in any of the ways theorized over the last couple of decades (lol).
To conclude, the GEOTD could have built a wall in Westeros, probably did considering they made the similar 5 Forts, and if they did it is destroyed, meaning the only place it could be is under the Ice Wall (If any remains at all, which it likely would considering how hardy Oily Black Stone is).
If the GEOTD _didn't_ build a Wall in Westeros, although I'm not sure why they wouldn't have considering they were already there and probably knew a threat was coming, then it's possible the Wall was build _after_ the first Long Night like we are told. In that case it's probably frozen Weirwoods or some other type of Old God Magic holding it up. There's definitely magic present and I believe it'll have some sort of physical form, probably within the Wall.
EDIT: On the topic of if the GEOTD knew the Others were coming and the Long Night was going to happen long before it did, it makes me recall the theory that the ASOIAF world is on a cycle with the Others arriving every few thousand years (Was that theory yours? I don't recall, sorry) and that they need to be destroyed once and for all. That could explain how the GEOT knew to prepare for them
Yay! Thanks for reading my comment! I really feel like those craters are good evidence of some kind of impact from space.
Really enjoyed this stream, thank you!
So many great theories discussed in this vid. From both the chat and from you LML - also drinking game.. take a shot every time Oily Black Stone is mentioned 😆
Even the screen cap went hard lol
Done just yet. Can't emphasize how fricking awesome this video was concerning deep lore and worldbuilding!
Channel is growing fast man. Love to see that. I'm sooo late to the party lol been busy but still wanna give thanks. You make my smoke sesh after work that much bettet 😆
That’s legit, remotely tuning into the smoke sesh
I recently found your channel and I love it man! Thank you
Honestly I was waiting and hoping you'd bring out one of the birds lol. They're such adorable little stinkers
IMHO, another reason Martin wants us to be thinking of these ancient paleo-/megalithic structures on Planetos is that we see things that are not dissimilar on our own planet, which are just as unexplained/inexplicable.
For example, and outside of the well-known Stonehenge/Avebury and Egypt's Pyramids and the temples/art in Karnak; I always think of the look of the walls at Sachsayhuaman in Bolivia when I think about ASOIAF's 'fused stone' - walls with massive, smooth stone blocks that still sit so tight a human hair can't be passed between them. Then there are the churches/temples at Lalibela in Ethopia, which look like someone hollowed out bedrock with a giant 3D carving tool.
My point is; just like we'll probably never know the 'truth' of the 'primitive' building techniques, Martin wil never give us the 'truth' of the oily black stone and how it came to be.
P.S; love ya work. =)
You're right in putting "primitive" in quotation marks, these builders were anything but primitive. These works of architecture are results of many centuries of development. Stone working was there for a long long time. Today, many skills like it are forgotten or not needed, and we imagine these people used "alien tech" and such. But in fact it's about well-honed skill, patience and good workforce management.
In Martin's world, however, everything is amplified with magic, and the black structures could very well have been put up by magic.
@@imokin86 The point is that ancient builders did things that seem magical in the first place, and the magic merely makes these even more amazing. People have forgotten more than we now know - even if we can accomplish things they could never have imagined.
Great video. Really enjoyed it. Love this deep lore. All the art work look awesome.
I was waiting for this :( But I woke up late. Great work! 💛
"Before they exited stage left" Please do keep referencing RUSH, it makes my day.
So many great artists in the ASOIAF community!
Great Stream!
thanks as always for your comments Tawk!
55:30 oh that super mute was fantastic lol
Oh wow, great. The birds are screeching non stop in my headphones.
Again…
Yeah Dave switching to an dynamic mic like the SM7b would do wonders for all that background noise man.
It's super annoying the more it goes on.
Thanks for actually suggesting something that will help. I had them in the other room with the lights off and one bird was just having a fucking day, there’s literally nothing I can do about it. Except maybe a diff microphone? Which I’m now looking into
«We can't see what is under the snow.»
Now my head canon is that under the frozen wastes of the north is an ocean of ghostgrass. Once the white walkers are defeated, the world moves into an age of “eternal summer” giving the ghostgrass the conditions it needs to cover the world. The greenseers think they are playing the long game by organizing the reign of Bran, but grass plays the longest game of all. The final scene in the book is the iron throne, and the corpse of Bran, covered in ghostgrass.
Possibly the ASOIF topic that intrigues me the most
Love your work!
You've obviously got great taste in music, man! Love it 🙂
I like the rhaegar reading corner but the artwork is phenomenal. Makes it more dramatic.
It's outrageous! I'm lacking behind three months with your videos and now it seems impossible to get my hands on a copy of Unseen Westeros! Seven hells!
Had to work! Catching up now! Very excited!
I love that YT is showing me these vids lately!
The shade of the evening drink is black and oily and gets you stoned
Shade of the Evening is Blue and Syrupy
I loooove that intro music!
I enjoy these scripted episodes much more than the open Q & A ones.
Just found your channel and love your content, well done and thorough. Like subbed and shared! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I sacrifice this comment to the algorithm gods lol
Great stream! Oily black stone is pretty interesting
I like to think that oily black stone isn't what that substance originally looked like, but is rather the result of some particular magical process related to the disasters that have befallen basically every civilisation that is known to have made it. The Great Empire of the Dawn probably wasn't built of oily black stone, its constructions were transmuted to it during the Long Night disaster. I wouldn't be surprised if Valyria post-Doom was also full of oily stone that used to be their fused stone.
solid
see what you did there
A very good video man
gorgeous man explains brilliant theories, yes please
Re watching this playlist. Damn this content has been excellent. The deep ones stuff is amazing and I’m really into it but Ashai focus just gets me.
Thank the gods I needed this 🙏🙌😌
“Magically toxic,” or the fact that the oily black stone repels vegetation and animal life might also be GRRM’s version of a radioactive material
The fire crackling, and the birbs in the intro ^^. So homey. Man, oh man! Despite being there live...the things I have missed 😅
Trying to get my nose in a book tonight to catch up a little. (After this. Doih.)
Yeah. I love the birbs. it's like he's live from the water gardens of Sunspear.
Ah, the dark and mysterious Far East. My favorite topic, so this stream was a great joy to me! Loved the new image of the Shadowbinders, some of the most intriguing characters to me. 'Most sinister of all', say the maesters, which of course is all hogwash (see: Quaithe). I see them as the brave Eastern equivalent of the Night's Watch's rangers, going into a dangerous land (mind you, we know there are other people living in the Shadowlands). Do you think this Night's Watch of the East of sorts may have been founded by Azor Ahai?
During the quote about Moat Cailin describing the 3rd tower which looks like it had had a chunk bit out of it by "some great beast"; all I could think was damage from a great beast = dragon meteors! 🐉☄ xx
100%, and the tower tops are often equated with the celestial bodies, so a beast biting the tower top off and spitting the rubble about is basically the comet hitting the moon and scattering moon meteors everywhere
A greate stone beast leaping from a tall tower...
Tool Style, Cool Style. Very Cool Tool Style. 😎👍
Ready to dig into this one. All about that EotD and OILY BLACK STONE
I love watching streams about Asshai and Stygai. My favorite topic, also Winterfell and the Others.
Valyrian road crews will henceforth be known as The Paved Companions
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The idea of an ancient meteor strike is such a good one! I wonder - if you were to plot the locations of the oily black stones on a map of Planetos, would you be able to discern a pattern? For instance, would you find a point of entry in the atmosphere above Asshai, followed by a fragmentation as the meteor breaks apart in the atmosphere (thereby spreading chunks of bloodstone meteor across Planetos but concentrating the biggest bang in the immediate impact area)?
I'm obsessed with the Shadowlands. I want to know everything.
Every time I listen to an LML stream I come away with more new thoughts! I was especially taken with the idea that the wierwoods may be an absorbing force, as all trees take into themselves what is around them. If Nissa Nissa was a CotF, perhaps when she was killed she unknowingly unleashed a terrible toxin onto the world. You've also likened Dany to a weirwood, pointing out her birthing of the dragons, lighting her hair on fire, the heartsblood staining her mouth. Dany seems to be especially sensitive at absorbing that which is around her. She also seems to amplify these effects in herself and even in others. I've long thought Dany might be a reincarnation of the original Nissa's soul who has come back to right a wrong (namely her own death, and the effects it caused). If killing a highly magical, precious CotF, someone thought to perhaps be a princess or queen, I can only imagine what that could unleash. It's essentially killing Mother Nature herself, unleashing all kinds of horrors on the world. Plagues, mutations in animals, large scale oceanic death.
Likewise, if the oily black stone chair is toxic, we can assume the Iron Throne is as well, just for different reasons. If the IT is toxic due to all the death it has caused, whoever sits upon it may absorb this negativity. If Targs are descendants of Nissa Nissa or the CotF (from eons ago), it may explain why so many of them went "mad" so to speak. They are unknowingly absorbing death, sadness, horror, and pain. There's only so much of that a being can take before it is unleashed.
Anyhow, just my own rambling thoughts. I must have pages of these written in my phone because it's so fascinating. As always, adore your content man! Thank you for being here for the fandom!
"Im just gonna calm down the birds"
5:20 birds begin screaming of dread and agony
Lord David "Strong Beard" BEERatheon 💪🧔🍺👑🦌
Oh shit Beeratheon, it’s right there
@@DavidLightbringer lol
I can see you have some Puscifer and Primus in the background and a Tool shirt. 've also discovered that you love AAL too. It seems that you have an execellent taste in music as well as in literature ;)
Hey hey thanks so much ❤️
I like how focused this one was - really fab research! Multiple LOLs on this Monday for me - stellar ending 😂 You also already know who you really look like dressed in black … 😉
No who were you thinking
@@DavidLightbringer Not Johnny Cash! 🤣
Thank you professor David Lightbringer ❤️. It was a stream with many interesting insights and information.
Q: It seems like we have two poles of corruption, one in weirwood net and one in Stygai. When the Others defeated what do you think will happen in Stygai?
I'm not sure, perhaps nothing, or perhaps the malign magic influence will just stop making things worse and the shadow will clear
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@@DavidLightbringer the pocket typed comment
Always love your vids. Love your knowledge pretty inspiring...oh like the shirt too..official tool army member
nice... spiral out!
@@DavidLightbringer my third eyes wide open..
New subscriber and I am loving your content! I've puzzled over that damned oily black stone for longer than I care to admit lol. Something else as well as the stones of Yeen needing elephants to haul them, is that the giant apes on Sothoryos are allegedly so powerful they can one-punch an elephant... Two very specific descriptions, as if someone was reporting on the elephants being used to help build Yeen, and those details survived to a vague reference in Yandel's sources. And then in the Jade Sea, between Sothoryos and Asshai, there's an Isle of Elephants... So as a naval power the Dawn Empire had the means to build Yeen (maybe motivation, if they could only get wyverns for their dragon stock at Sothoryos) but then the squishers mystery remains. :P
Im digging the beard comrade!
Would you ever consider doing a collaboration with Preston Jacobs? Maybe a live discussion on the symbolism of ASOIAF, or something like that?
lol
LmL is not into Preston's theories (it seems he's heard mostly of the sci-fi ones).
@@millibillionth that is why I would like them to collaborate.
@@magnuspeacock5857 it would be a fun meeting of worlds
@@casey9439 they could really help each other.
how long do you think the long night was? do you believe the (old nan?) story that there were generations of children who lived and died in darkness? that would imply maybe 50+ years, but that would be an exceptionally long time for there to be no sunlight and life to survive. there's also the fog of history, which would likely have made future storytellers exaggerate the length of the long night. so what do you think? 5, 10, 20, 50 years? it would have bearing on the temporal relationship between the long night magical instigation, meteor impacts, styggai (if that's where a meteor landed), bloodstone emperor, seastone chair (if it's a meteor/corrupted asshai stoned transported to westeros), azor ahai and the war for the dawn
Well she says generation, singular, and I think that’s certainly a flexible idea, as you say because of the fog of history. I’m thinking about a dozen years, perhaps the same length of time it’s said that nights King ruled for. That’s always been my guess
I had forgotten about the toad idol in The Mound...until you mentioned The Mound. H.P. accomplished some real horror in that one. I tend to forget abound it purposely.
I'd never roll my eyes at ya, LmL. We all have our own idiosyncrasies. Be easy on yourself. =)
The description you read about the appearance of Moat Cailin I agree seems to be an intentional clue to connect it with oily black stone proper. Not stating that it’s absolutely made of the same mysterious material explicitly, both to us the readers and in-story (the characters don’t seem to recognize the stone as being the same as the Seastone Throne, the Toad monument, etc.), is a possible slow reveal because it might be easier to piece together the origin story surrounding the presence of oily stone in Planetos if we had Moat Cailin as a definitive example of its use. George obviously would want any Hammer-of-the-water = meteor theories not to be figured out so quickly, and providing an initial link of oily stone to Moat Cailin could potentially hasten that process.
So, yes, great find (as always)!
But to add to it, I think this revelation could also support your theory of the moon meteors contaminating other stone (and preexisting stone structures) as you asserted is the likely scenario in the case of the city of Asshai.
Pardon if you already pointed this out as well, but I think it definitely stands to reason that ANY city/castle size structure (or series of structures) possessing oily black stone qualities became so after the fact for the same reasons you gave for Asshai.
But not only that, the intentional ambiguity of Moat Cailin being made of the same oily black stone or not could double as both a slow reveal AND a secondary reveal that there is a transmutative aspect to oily black stone in general. This could be the provided example of how it works (confirming how you theorized it works). Moat Cailin could a partial “oilized/tainted/whatever” stone that didn’t undergo the entirety of the process (but was close enough to an meteoric impact zone that it began to somewhat undergo that process).
Given that all characters regarding Moat Cailin have yet to say “Hey, that’s the same shit as the Seastone Throne!“ (especially Theon), but then is hinted as appearing as such in the narration, might not just be a slow reveal for our (the audience’s) sake but instead a reveal that there’s partial oilified stone (ergo, that’s how oily black stone works, it’s mostly in the spreading).
Anyway, just a thought.
Thank you for this segment! As always, it’s thorough, insightful, and thought provoking af! 💪🐉🐺 ⚔️🛡
That’s an absolute pisser at the end. Naughty Cleo!! LMAO.
Brilliant stuff as usual mate.
What a great stream once again! ❤ You literally fed me ideas for the book series i'm writing. Anyway I have one more question: If Euron is emulating the Bloodstone Emperor (which seems to be the case), Stygai would be important to him. Do you think he went into Stygai, and if he did could we actually get some talk and info about it in TWoW?
Yes, we could learn about Stygai from Euron, but also from Quaithe or Dany if she gets access to a glass candle like I think she will
Yeah, I can't wait for TWoW, shit's gonna go down in that book!
(This comment should be with the vid that talks about the crab on the tarot card, I couldn't remember which that was)
I just found out the Beehive Cluster, next to the Cancer Zodiac star set, has a thousand stars (or around that anyway). It's original name means manger or crib. So another check in the "Daenerys dies in Cesarean childbirth" column, probably in the crypts of Winterfell.
I’m buying the shade of the evening tree theory for the oily black stone. Both Ashai, and Qarth describe the shade of the evening trees as drinking in the surrounding light.
I don't know if anyone's brought this up before, but one way I was thinking that could combine your theory about the oily black stone and The Disputed Lands's theory is if Stygai is poisoning things and the Bloodstone Emperor (or other GEotD people) were interested in the CotF and the Weirwoods, they could have tried bringing some Weirwoods to Stygai, poisoning them whenever that started to happen in the area. This might have resulted in the creation of the Shade of the Evening trees, which then could very well petrify into more oily black stone. Not all of the oily black stone has to come from the same place.
The Bloodstone Emperor could also have been using magic on the Weirwoods (like the Valyrians would later use blood magic on animals and people to create chimeras and other monstrosities) in an attempt to control the Weirwoods, or gain access to them, or get them to grow outside of Westeros. Don't know if there's any symbolism to support this or not, but it seems possible given what we know about the Bloodstone Emperor and your other theories.
On a completely unrelated note: Santa and Satan are anagrams of each other as one of my D&D groups found out one time, heh heh...
Hey! Listening on the replay and I've got zero volume action. Is it just me? I've tried different sections of the video, RUclips volume..my volume...and nothing. Other videos have sound. Seriously feeling the tease on this one! Was so looking forward to it. I hit the like button because I know it was amazing. I'll just be over here reading the chat and wondering what wisdom I'm missing out on.
It must be on your end because 11k or so people have watched and no one has said anything. ???
@@DavidLightbringer Thanks! It seems to be working great now! Not sure what was going on but excited to have the problem solved so I can get in on the oily black stone topic! Appreciate your comment ..it reminded me to check in on it again. I was hopeful it would just be a random Mercury retrograde glitch. As always..thanks for all of the amazing content!