The Heart (tree) of Winter
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- The Ice Spiders / White Walker Teleportation Theory video opened up several cans of worms, so let's get into what's in the Heart of Winter, is the Great Other a greenseer, what's with the white spider crabs, Archne & spider mythology, & more.
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Title image uses "Frozen Weirwood Tree" by Bo Zonneveld and "Night's King" by Giantwood
Bro, I rewatch the vids on your channel more than any other, and by a wide margin, and I spend a stupid amount of time on youtube. There’s a substantial list of reasons I-and many others, I’m sure-keep checkin in, including but not limited to your insight, personality, voice, sense of humor, the community you’ve cultivated, etc etc.
As evidence, I’m commenting a year later on another rewatch. This is all concerning your comments in the first 5 minutes.
There’s so much shit to absorb in this material, I pretty much have to come back to remember and consider it all! So I hope you feel the appreciation today like you did on this stream, my man!
thanks a lot, i really, really appreciate hearing that
I think David’s willingness to be vulnerable and open with this community is why it’s so positive. I’m grateful for LML, his brilliant partner Minty, as well as all the funny and fantastic mods who work tirelessly to keep the streams running smooth. Everyone in this community has excellent contributions to the conversation. I bet GRRM would be proud.
P.s. Andre Sapkowski is the author of the Witcher.
THANK YOU. I knew it was steeped in Eastern European lore but it’s been a while since I heard the name of the author. Cheers
chat gaslighting poor LML about spiders having fangs lol. i love how these livestreams are becoming something of a collabrotive effort but that made me chuckle. 😭
Spiders definitely have what are considered in zoology as "fangs." They're the sharp parts of the chelicerae [mouth parts] that inject venom. You right, LML, you right. 🤜🤛
THANK YOU, thank you
And we eat how many of these a year?? Scuse me whilst I never sleep again. Who needs sleep.
How you combine video and livestream really pays off, thank you so much, it's a pleasure to spend time at your channel!
Thank you so much Teresa
The children need a human as a green seer and the others need a human as their “seer”/leader
“Icy teeth and frost fangs…” this is what I’m talking about.
I just designed a wall specifically to collect drift snow for green gardening purposes. This world of ice and fire is perpetually inspiring.
nice!
That is so dope
In faery lore, they can actually choose when they want to be seen(no, not just an Arthur Spiderwick idea), so I think it's VERY cool to think that the Others are on the wind and can choose when to manifest a body. GRRM loves Gaelic mythology so I really do think there's something to this. Good job, as always.
Thank you! And yes I knew in a general way that fae beings can do that; this would be taking George’s “icy aes sidhe” comparison to the Others all the way!
@@DavidLightbringer yeah it's pretty cool. Apologies for the length of this response in advance. GRRM even used some Pleiades lore in his books. On a side note, has it ever occured to you that if you added red to blue, you get purple? Just another thing I'm adding into your theory that the dawn age dragon riders and the Others are indeed related somehow. George likes to hide stuff in plain sight. I would LOVE it if you would do a video on Dany's prophecies! "When the seas go dry and the mountains blow in the wind like leaves" sounds a lot like winter snows and frozen seas. It'd be so cool to hear your take on the prophecies even if they can't be trusted. Love your work dude!!!! You ought to be better known as you really do get into GRRM's head which is important for making theories as he's an INTP and accounts for only 3% of the population. Much praise and support from me to come. For now, I will praise Garth and go to bed.
Your talk of the white walkers having “eyes” via the stars in the sky made me wonder if the moon represents an eye too. There used to be two moons… or two eyes? Does the current singular moon mean there was a previous sacrifice of the other moon (eye) for “all seeing knowledge”? stream; great stuff ✌️
By the gods that's actually a crazy good theory!!!
I'm on board for some version of this being true. Excellent musing!
Don’t think I would be able to understand this story as deep as I do with out your help and contributions seriously man i have just been bingeing all your streams and videos
Great videos. Your passion for ASoIaF is extremely infectious, and I really enjoy your commentary. Thanks for continuing to put out your awesome content! Also, spiders do have fangs; the hollow tooth designed to inject venom is a fang, not a pincer; a pincer is more like a claw, such as what a crab or a scorpion might have at the end of its arm, or what an ant might have on its mouth.
Nah he talking about the Arachna Sheloba from Mexico
Just watched this again... so here's another comment for you and the algorithm gods!
I had a really bad day today, I had to revive a patient that I'm really close to and it really knocked me around mentally, so a big THANKYOU for your video as it really helped me to get out of my head today. 😇😇❤💯
Another one returned to us! Pardon the joke, but praise be that you were able to provide the right care at the right moment! Thanks for all that you do Amanda.
This stream went really deep into the weeds (no pun intended) of pure lml-ness😂 Loved it. Had a lot of fun. Its what we all come here for. Well done. Thanks Dave🤘🏾
David you just keep pumping out ever green content, love you man
Excellent stream an way too talk ! Seriously you and this community help me put my problems on hold even for just a few hours (adhd anxiety,an I know insomnia sucks so I'm with you on the sleepless night brother) also side note great take on baptism, as someone else who was also baptized as I child, great take as American(an a adult) having a choice means alot *eagle cry !*
see you Wednesday an maybe il put in that Patreon name request but I didn't want too ask more of a Leonardo da Vinci such as yourself lol
haha just send me your nickname info int he patreon messages, I'll see it when I go to update all the names and add you in. Thank you! And happy to help pass the time, for sure
@@DavidLightbringer absolutely I will an also every time you mentioned "The wild hunt" or Odin, "Ghost Riders In the Sky" automatically played in my head lol
I love the idea of Jon being resurrected by ice and fire, making him a better Wight than all the others.
Or better yet, actually ressurecting him as a human.
Thank you for all the hard work you put into these videos and streams! Really appreciate watching! Love this positive community that you created here!
The "Red Widow" is actually a type of Black Widow spider in the real world. Of course they are called Black Widows because the females spiders eat the male spiders after mating. Evolutionarily speaking, the male spider is not of much use after the mating, so the female spider consumes the male spider to gain the protein and energy for reproduction. So the use of Red Widow symbolism in the Rohanne Webber story works on many levels:
0. The sigil colors are the weirwood colors, weirwood net, etc, I think you covered all this in the Rohanne Webber stream
1. From the plot perspective, her husbands just keep dying mysteriously after each marriage, there is a rumor that she kills them, so that's like the female Red Widow spider eating the male spiders it mates with.
2. Symbolically, Azor Ahai is a dead man. The Nissa Nissa/Nght's Queen person eats Azor Ahai (or gets his energy) and pops out Ice spiders.
that all seems right. Like I said I want to go back over now with these new ideas in mind
Your channel helps me white out my coworkers worship of the Orange Goblin. F’Real.
ugh. Stay strong buddy
@@DavidLightbringer I need candy, any kind'll do
Don't care if it's nutritious or "FDA approved"
It's gonna make me spaz like bobcats on booze
A hyperactive juice that only I can produce
Great stream 👍 personally would love for them to find an ice dragon in the heart of winter 🥶 ❄️
I'm gonna be honest. I've read all the books twice and heard ALL theories at least once. But I still feel not nearly as smart as most of you guys on the live stream so I usually stay quiet and just listen but the rare times I've super chatted and asked a question he never made me feel silly or belittled my question (even though I'm sure it was a pretty basic question or maybe way off). He makes everyone feel included and like now I always go back and relisten to his old stuff. Also the people in the chat are really cool at answering questions and making it a fun place to spend some time. I'm disabled so you guys (all of you) help me get my mind off my pain for a little while which means a lot. So Thank you. Oh and over the years I've watched this channel improve greatly!! He's got real talent not just in the world of Ice and Fire but in the future he'd make a great radio host or audible reader.
wow Jennifer thanks so much for saying so!
@@DavidLightbringer It's all true. Sorry I can't donate more but I always upvote and share your videos
Good stream
Mushrooms and Weirwoods act the same with Mycelium and the tree roots holding the same value
need to do an entire mushroom symbolism video soon
Makes sense that the WW aren’t “killed” when their ice bodies break, especially if they’re imprisoned within the weirwoods - more reason to go inside and face them down, only to understand their situation and change it.
Varys could be a good analog for the white walkers, a long-game planner with spies everywhere; when you said spy-door it made a lot of thematic sense.
The ice spider stuff is paying big dividends, symbol-wise!
Awesome stream! Can't wait for Wednesday :)
Great stream, as always!
I’ve looked for the “series of tubes” video before and had trouble finding it. I was so psyched to see it again!
Thankyou !!! Great stream!! 👍
Fun discussion on this one. Lots of topics.
Can’t put into words how great these videos are. Your positivity is contagious, glad that you make such high quality content.
Always love your chats and you 💜🥰💜🥰
thanks for supporting Violet!
That’s a cool idea, that the Wall is made from ice dragons. I’ve always thought the cold pool in Winterfell’s godswood was a melted ice dragon and that the heart tree was drinking it.
Honestly if Bran the builder was just building structures with dragons around the world and trapping them in there like the Warlocks of Qarth to use them as magic batteries that’d be funny. Love the idea of building the wall with dragons.
IK ive commented on almost every video ive watched but its so amazing the timing of which i found your channel and started reading the books. i feel like you and tim have literally been with me as i delve deeper into the rabbit hole that is GRRM symbolism. and anyone who says you read in between the lines too much, i say to them they are as welcome to deny shakey bits of history just as the maesters did, but the long night came after all, so i would consider reading a bit more into the written histories as George invites us to do.
Spot on analysis! Got spiders on the brain. So a few thoughts:
* One of the ways to best see a spider web is when it’s exposed in sunlight to make it shiny
* Webs are like bridges for spiders to traverse.
* Poisonous spiders have venom but they all liquify the innards of the prey to consume
* I wonder if we should think of the shade of the evening as venom and the undying/Pyat Pree as the spider like others
Yes to the last
I'm 25 minutes into this.
You had just equated poison to venom, symbolically.
Frost Fangs are called that because the icicles on the trees in the mountain range.
Doran poisoned the tip of his metal long fang and bit into The Mountain.
(Direwolf dreams call weapons teeth and claws? I think)
I don't know what to make of this, but hey, more symbolism there maybe? I know you already did a big breakdown on sun, comet, moon meteors, cosmic axis, etc
Do you know what it is like to be sold, squire? I do. My brother sold me to Khal Drogo for the promise of a golden crown. Well, Drogo crowned him in gold, though not as he had wished, and I... my sun-and-stars made a queen of me, but if he had been a different man, it might have been much otherwise. Do you think I have forgotten how it felt to be afraid?
I didn’t even see the whirlwind beginning until I left a comment. 😂
The fArya / Ramsay wedding takes place in a strange mist, but it's a *warm* mist from the hot springs.
59:34 I've been binge watching your streams recently and had no idea you put regular comments in as questions so I was mid battle in Total War and you start responding to a question I posed at least a year ago and it wigged me out lol.
haha time loop
Your videos are the best! I originally started watching Your channel cuz I was hyped for House of the Dragon. Now you've got me so excited for mythical astronomy that I've started reading Fire and Blood. Thank u for ur genuine enthusiasm, it's the best part about Sundays!
Just wanted to say this is another great talk, and I love the theremin lol. Well done!
Coming home after work to D. Lightbringer☄ and some Garth🌿
These are a few of my favorite things
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Just discovered your channel and watched all the video before I started on the live streams keep doing your thing.!!!
There's ice magic and fire magic that seem to be at odds with each other but what about green magic being at odds with water magic: the Iron Born say "What is dead may never die" which seems like a perversion of green magic and the cycle of life and natural death. Just a thought...
Thank you for creating rich discussion around specific details as it helps me dive further into the material and my own theories.
Ice Spiders, Nice Spiders, Spiders from MARS
You complete get me trough kitchen duties! Love your content.
Nae, the Wall is just the real weirdly shaped tail of a kaiju sized dragon, it's body's asleep in the ocean or whatever
Dont know if you¿ll get to read this commet but thank you for all this productions that you make and help us navigate the tribulations of life. Thank ypu LML!!!!
What a blessing to come home from work for. Just magnificent work dude, as always
Thanks Christian!
Spiders are frequently said to have fangs, and they certainly look like fangs
There are a lot more teleportation fey myths/legends through trees, Dungeons and Dragons consequently have a bunch in their game and spells like “tree stride”. General rules: one hides behind a tree or enters into a tree and appears within sight out of another tree. More powerful levels, can travel to any tree in that plane of reality. That being said, teleportation is treated with care in fantasy gaming and can quickly become abused to game ending problems. I would guess GRRM wouldn’t allow actual teleportation in ASOIAF; but instead perceived teleportation like in works like “Elfquest” and that Clint Eastwood movie.
Saving this stream for later, but an offering to the algorithm can't wait.
The old school Japanese Spider-Man theme could be free of copyright shenanigans 🤷🏼♂️
Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing this very good stream LML!💪🏼👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻🙋🏼♀️🇨🇦
I love everything I see behind you so much 😍
What an aesthetic overload!
Have you heard the music Preston Jacobs uses when he introduces Daemon Targaryan "the Rogue Prince"
No but he’s good with the funny music
LML dropping the news we might be getting the collaboration with Preston Jacobs we’ve all wanted! 🥳🥳
One of the best arguments that I have found recently for your Azor Ahai/Dragonlords being the problem argument is the fact that Nan specifically says that the first men “gave the weirdwoods to the fire”. That seems like maybe Azor Ahai and his crew tried to beat them that way first before a “can’t beat them, join them” tactic and invaded the WWNet. Giving to the fire is such specific language that I don’t think GRRM would have used it by chance.
Another delightfully thought provoking episode.
Keep up the great videos Lucy. PRAISE GARTH!!
Hey; tarantula keeper here; spiders do in fact have fangs.
I used to collect my tarantulas fangs when she would shed her exoskeleton.
As always, the best content RUclips has to offer.
thanks Brent!!!
I just wanted to mention once that I believe it should be noted that Yiti really should be seen as a mixture of the Chinese empire and ancient India, especially in regards to the plentiful old ruins.
Ayo you KNOW my boi David LML an OG when he just casually name droppin MC PEE PANTS on this shiz! YOU NUMBER ONE IN THE HOOD, G.
AND he was a giant spider, the synergy is overwhelming
Great reference!
There is also a rapper named Schooly D who used to narrate earlier seasons
The pedants are out in force in the live chat in this one.
Edit:
And as far as the weirwood net, there is a real world basis for this, aspen trees form "clonal colonies" that consist of a single interconnected organism. The trees reproduce via root sprouts. The largest known colony is named Pando and is in Utah, USA it is estimated to be the heaviest and oldest living organism at 6 million kilos and 80 thousand years.
(Most of that I knew off hand but had to look up the stats and location of Pando)
Edit 2:
Forgot to mention, Pando covers an area of 106 acres.
Happy Mardi Gras from south Louisiana! Come join the fun! Learn our mythology about our crews! Much love David!
Oh I’d love to visit nawlins some time I’ve hear about it
It’s a wild ride down here! Bring Miss Minty and let’s party!
almost 3 hours of absolute bomb ass content. yes!!
oh wow thank you it was just me talking. appreciate it
Heart of Winter = North Pole
Heart of The Shadow = South Pole
Magnetic Energy = Magick
When (I think it was Jamie or Arya) falls asleep on a weirwood stump, they have what seems like a weirwood dream. I tend to think a dead or cut weirwood can see the past, but no longer the present or future or connect
For the algorithm. Thank you for another great stream!
Keep up the good work!
2:22:00
Man, I laughed so hard at the "Spy-door" bit
An astute observation ! 🤣
it's one of the things I'd like to ask Martin the most as far as "is this intentional on your part?", meaning, all the puns and word jokes
@@DavidLightbringer
I'd guess that sometimes it's just incidental but I would bet that alot of them are intentional lol.
It's a really clever way actually to build depth into the story in general.
They puns, wordplay and doublespeak almost serve as "Trail of breadcrumbs"...
George is a like the wizard of oz. With that kind of stuff lol
I've tried to take a lot of tips from the way he weaves a story.
:P
I just had a thought at the start when you were talking about Ice dragons. I remember a quote in Fire and Blood when Queen Alysanne takes her Silverwing North and to the wall. From what I recall (I must reread to find it) Silver wing behaved strangely at the wall and would not pass the boundary of the wall to the other side. Alysanne laughs this off but is concerned. I just wonder if you ever had any thoughts on this ? (It's likely discussed in another vidoe and if so apologies just came to my head! Keep up the good work ! :)
Yeah we’ve discussed it a few times, it’s unclear whether the dragon couldn’t fly over the wall or did not want to because it found it extremely unpleasant. I think the main thing is supposed to tell us is that the dragons aren’t going to have an easy time with the white walkers, that their cold magic will repel or dishearten the dragons
@@DavidLightbringer oh cool ! Apologies that it was already discussed 🤣 I only recently found and subscribed to this amazing channel ! Yes I had the same thoughts , George is setting the tone that the dragons will have their work cut out for them in faring against the Ice magic of the others , dragons sensing the danger or finding it particularly unpleasant, I wondered at the time of reading if perhaps dragons couldn't pass the wall due to the magic of the wall keeping the others out on one side interesting parallel the dragons unable/unwilling to pass through from the other side !
For Ice Spiders, I agree in a behind the scenes sense; but in a “in world” sense: the spiders as trees don’t move from their spot, so there is likely another physical Ice Spiders moving that inspires the rumors for the locals. Probably ice clumped long hair zombies and frozen ice chunks of zombies with only a limb or two free each. Again, as a set of clues GRRM is telling about the Weirwoods/others: I agree, but as the direct cause for the wildlings’ rumors, not the main cause.
Thanks Dave
When you started correcting other "mistakes" during the now "infamous" Spider Fang Rant, and said "also I said Missy Elliot was the queen bee, but she's not, it's Lil Kim..." I busted out laughing fr. and WeirWood Teleportation is an amazing idea. blew my mind... Love bro.
I went as deadpan as I could lol
If you do talk to Preston about TTBran: tell him about Finn Mcool myth and H.G. Wells “Time Machine “. Also the Tower card and how climbing down is falling up an upside down Tower. Bran will go down the well to a river, Reed climbs AND builds boats; so they will float (Altered States water floating) back to the Wall or Winterfell.
Patchface is also (falsely) claimed to have had a gray child with a symbolic ice queen (Selyse).
Ohh call there John
I think both Night's King and the Queen were starks, maybe bastards or somethring. It makes sense for them to practice incest, since people think it's a curse not just imoral. In general I think both Night's king and queen and Amethyst and Bloodstone were brother and sister or releated anyway.
Bummed I missed this one live. Stuck late at work. The spider rapper from aqua teen is MC Peepants. I love that one.
Fucking hysterical man that one was devastating
Thanks for the follow-up stream. Great content! I really like the teleportation theory. There was an episode of Star Trek: NextGen, in which legends and myths about a now extinct civilization could materialize people (mostly soldiers) out of thin air in any location throughout the galaxy. When the crew stumble upon a long abandoned out-post, they encounter this technology. Not saying that the WW use some advanced tech., just that this episode clicked on in my head.
Brilliant as always. Thank you :)
Concerning the Others and resurrecting wights - they are not alive so no life is needed for them to rise. Same as Berric & LS. Drogo was truly resurrected (although with broken mind) - blood flowing etc. Jon will also be alive and his sanity saved by Ghost. This is the hill I am prepared to die on if need be.
Just telling my wife about the sword Dawn, that it's supposed to have been forged from a meteor. She said it would have had to have been a meaty-ore to be suitable to be made into such a powerful sword
and how to temper such a meteor sword, made from a meaty ore? You have any fire-breathing meat-eaters around? MEAT EATOR bwahahaha
Great and entertaining stream! Ps was that a Luv Show, Ms. P* Pants reference? "I don't care what you call me just CALL ME!!"
What’s crazy is that I also referenced MC Pee Pants from Aquateen Hunger Force in the same stream. Didn’t know what “just called me” was even from actually so that’s wild
Don't worry about missing 4: 20
The planet revolves and the actual time is relative to the locations position in respect to the star that lights it.
Just look toward the west and rip the bong. 4: 20 will be there for you
Whoa
*rips bong*
A beautiful aspect is that e.g. in Daoism Ying and Yang is about balancing the opposites. While in Buddhism on the highest level it is about combining, literally copulating the opposites to eliminate the division.
Oh that’s an interesting distinction
@@DavidLightbringer Amazing video, as always.
Man- really loving the symbolism of spiders as avatars of structure & control, as well as the associations between the spiderwebs & snowflakes. Cool stuff.
Also- probably completely unrelated, but the "prince who was promised", always makes me think of Nadine from The Stand, asking who promised her to Flagg.
I don’t know the stand but GRRM is a King fan I think
Talking about good and evil being capacities that dwell within people and gods, and the gods being all based on the same thing reminds me of something I heard recently:
That the demons of one culture are the gods of their enemies, or their defeated enemies
Like how the Israelites propped up Yahweh as the one true god, and casted the defeated gods like Baal as evil or demonic
Do we think that the Green trees on the Island are preserved because their root system is somehow severed from the original network because of being on an island? Or the Green men perhaps used magic to create the island and/or sever their connection to the original system? Which could mean that originally alll trees were part of the "green" network, and had real spirits and were alive and sentient, but then all trees that were connected became corrupted and died, or their spirits turned into the others?
I love your work man. I just wish I wasn't one of those weird ASMR people who's gag reflex is trigger by HD sounds. Every time you take a drink of something it causes my whole body discomfort and makes me gag. It's 100% on me, if someone whispers in my ear I will literally throw up. It's my curse. Love your work tho!
Sad I missed this live, guess I’ll just have to enjoy it now ;)
A fang is a hollowed tooth capable of injecting venom. You were right on that.
They ARE fangs. Dang chat confusing everything 🤦♂️
You had me at cosmic axis brother
Thinking about doing a cosmic world tree my theme video
@@DavidLightbringer I nut for any sort of world tree and Norse myth symbolism, more please mr lightbringer
I think the Others being able to move through the weirwoods is extremely likely to happen, having an army of the dead march slowly from the North is boring. But having the Others appear anywhere there is a weirwood tree, raises the stakes considerably. That's why in the show, it would have been cooler if the Night's King flew down to King's Landing and burned it while the North was under attack from the wight army.
100% I thought him and Bran would continue their battle inside the net after the tree burned them all
@@DavidLightbringer alas, it was not meant to be. In the show at least! I have way more confidence in George writing some fire.
The RUclipsr Crecganford has a really interesting video about the original giant myths, and how they were not literally huge people, but important people
He also has interesting videos about the Great Hunt and other PIE myths
Re crypto that serves the artists, I wonder if instead of what is basically putting "this waller owns that jpeg (hash)" on a blockchain, one couldn't instead put a cryptographic watermark in the jpeg itself that says "this art was supported by this name/nick/email" instead? That ensures this info can't be removed from the image w/o degrading it significantly, and may be either visible or invisibe, as the patron prefers, and verifiable by some tool.
The whole point should be to acknowledge the patron's generosity, not to create a secondary market for art dealers I think, in which case I'm not sure if the blockchain contributes anything but the co2 emissions.
Woods Walkers in Essos connect with Shade of the Evening trees whereas the Children of the Forest connect through the Weirwoods. Two branches of children that sing the song of the earth, bringing balance through evolution and changing times.
Ice wondered about that too but we the shade trees are only ever mentioned at the HOTU. Still you could be right
The secret song is We Can Work It Out by the Beatles