Proper use with a zerostart system and the orfice sixed per the engine displacement not just emptying a can of starting fluid into the intake will not cause engine damage. Hell yes if starting fluid is not used correctly like anything will cause problems. My reference is a using a properly installed system not dumping a can into the intake. Please do a video on melted batteries, melted wiring and burnt starters.
They have this stuff called starting fluid. What the actual fuck I have never in my life seen anyone ever crank a motor for almost 2 mins straight. Crazy crazy crazy.
Run synthetic oil, install an engine heater and you would never have to abuse your starter like that. I used engine heaters( both webasto and espar) for 30+ years on my Cats and Cummins. Always gives you a quick, clean start.
New York City diesel buses got rid of traditional starters and switched to air starters. They did this because drivers would keep cranking and cranking they had too many buses go on fire.
That was some good blind side backing when you first arrived there I think everyone Was glad you pointed out just because you had to rock the tractor the stupid ELD kicked in that’s a shame those F!!!!!! Idiots at DOT & FMCSA in D.C. needs to understand these scenarios and the ability of the drivers & mechanics to be able to move equipment around the yard Steve
That poor starter! I run service calls for a wrecker service here in balmy Michigan, a little ether really saves the starters. And don't give the "it ain't safe" crap. If it wasn't safe than why did Some farm tractors come stock with ether injectors? When I worked at the airport in GSE equipment we had ether injectors on all our diesels. You gotta be on starter 3 or 4 by now
Totally agree. Ether is perfectly safe for the engine in modest amounts and at low temperatures. Where people get in trouble is when they either use a boatload of it, or use it on engines with glow plugs. You CAN NOT use BOTH ether AND glow plugs, it has to be one or the other. Some of the older cats had glow plugs but the 3406B doesn't so that's not a concern.
I grew up in Wisconsin and can confirm that 40 degrees is indeed t-shirt and shorts weather (thats damn near a heat wave). Especially after the temperatures would be well below freezing (and often below 0) for a month or more at a time. My father has a polaroid of my brother and I riding our bikes through snowbanks and slush puddles while dressed like we were going to the beach lol.
I'm surprised that Kenworth didn't have remote Booster pegs. My company got a few Kenworths of over the last two years and virtually all of them have remote Booster pegs. The ones on my own in particular are right in the steering wheel well just under the hood, in theory I don't even need to open the hood to get to em, though I usually do for sake of ease of access. Most of the company trucks have it on the back deck just behind the cab. As for your starter.... Uh running it more then a minute at a time is one of the fastest ways to burn it out fast. They don't have the thermal mass to absorb running so long.
Turning it over for as long as you did isn't good. You have to let the starter cool down some. As i asked once before does the 3406B have provisions for glow plugs? I live in Canada and they help a lot. when you get a chance go to Victoria Truck Spotting and Midwest Peterbilt Group channels and see some other 362s.
Please make more cold start videos and show us what you do inside the cab to get them started. I’d love to see what you do with the throttle pedal. Subscribed!
I’m from pewaukee can’t wait to catch you rolling one of these days. When you gonna get some polished half fenders and some polished drives and give the steers a buff get Orwell looking old school cool
That's the best cold start that I've seen in a long time. Usually when they have fairings on like that they put a jump-start post on them somewhere. Must be Kenworth forgot to install one
It’s amusing that he’s excited about it being 40 degrees lol. If I lived up north I guess I would be too. It’s always humid and hot down here and the mosquitos are the size of hummingbirds
Definitely before the little green apu if someone else is driving that tractor you won't have a rescue tractor anymore smiling 😊just kidding awesome videos trucker stay safe
I'd of liked to see the full wake up of Orwell . I bet the air was so full o cursing it had to be cut down majorly . Good work Steve . I know how hard times like that are when you are on your own . :-D
Oh what a bag of sand would for you, Sutton ice. My neighbor hard that problem a few years ago, we had ice everywhere and his lockers were broken. One bag got him back into his driveway and second went into the truck for “just in case”.
Bulldozer engine with marine injectors ! Need a pony engine to crank the big engine. As to the starter...most have a thermal switch built in to disable if it overheats. Heat the intake manifold with a propane torch...old bulldozer and farm tractor trick.
From the way and the amount of time it took to actually fire it looks more like poor fuel pressure/air in the pump/injection system ? is there a non return valve in the fuel supply line if yes does it work ? or are CAT 4306 engines just totally crap at starting in anything below --0 degree C !
Man that turned into a bit of an ordeal, I feel for ya having to do all that in the cold. Most of my driving I ran team with my brother so when we had a problem there was 2 of us fixing it. Be well!
Am I the only one old enough to remember when sanders for the front tandem axle were common OTR winter equipment? I guess I was overseas when they went out of style in the USA.
Steve you need to install a remote battery cable to Orwell so you don't have to lift the cab all the time. The type you would use on a fork lift works the best. I used 2/0 cable and will handle anything.
Do you have a APU on loaner? Plug in Orwell for a couple hours. It should start like 50f day. Orwell is old enough I think he would LOVE some either. Just not with glow plugs. Use much less then you think is needed. (Best with two people). As cranking a whiff in air filter, then another. By myself on tube for air filter. It gets sucked in.
Seriously, you should buy a small generator, maybe 3k, and after installing a tank-style block heater, you can start the generator then let the tank heater take over for an hour, you truck would start instantly. Better than burning out $600 starters. Those Kat heaters can be bought for $150 off Kat's website for a 2000 watt version for big truck.
Kitty cats don't like cold weather. They need pre heating of some kind. It'd been nice if you could have pulled it to crank it. Of course you'd have had to pull it to Cleveland! 😅
sorry for all the miserable work you had to do Steve, but my goodness it led to a fantastic video watching from my warm couch lol, the unforeseen problems and cold start were awesome to follow along with, I'm going to watch it again and again
Where in the Sam Hill is that cat litter when you need it?Hey, Orwell's blowing smoke rings. Cool! Steve, I know you needed to get home, but when that cab wouldn't come down that's about the time I would have headed back up to the motel you stayed in while you were waiting for Jen and stayed there till the spring thaw. Well looks like we are waiting for the next video so till then.....Later!
That’s it don’t let the starter get a breath and cool down. Just keep cranking. If it smokes it building heat in motor, let it set a little and then try. Gives time for starter to get a break. Also which it cheaper a little shot of juice or a starter?
I can't believe you had to take the whole side off just to get to the batteries. If I owned that truck I'd definitely be adding a jumper line that was easily accessible.
Did you pick up Murphy as a co-driver? Reminds me of starting an old Mercedes-Benz 190D on a very cold morning, lots of glow plug time and finally started on 1, then 2 and finally all 4 cyls. Smoke cloud stretched a block downwind.
Hey Steve i hope you didn't burn out y our Starter on your Cabover why not use some either it would have helped i Man though that was truly a lot of work Stay Safe out their
I have a old Freightliner Cabover and I live in NH, we leave it running all winter, From Thanksgiving to Easter it will not be shut off, always warm ready to go , fuel cost compared to aggravation of a no start, get in and go make bank ....
There is a very simple setup where you can use a high voltage/amps DC connector wired directly to the battery to make jump starting/charging the battery easier when it is in a hard to reach location. Something like the Anderson connector works well as it can't be reversed so once wired to the battery can be put into one of the side compartments for easy access. Swap out one side of the jumper cables for a connector and it is a very fast process to hook up to Orwell. Could also be done to the company trucks if they have in house mechanics as it is simple once they know they can and ordering the parts in bulk makes the process cheaper.
Hi Steve, how many of you people were saying, come on Orwell or there’s a good girl, and secondly how many were thinking what a cracking set of jump leads they are? I could use a set like that once in a blue moon over here in the U.K., keep trucking Steve, markUK
One day I'll do a video on why you DON'T use either (starting fluid) in a diesel.
I saw you on exit by CT scales
Because replacing batteries and starters and losing a few hours to cold starts is vastly cheaper than rebuilding an engine.
Because ether has absolutely no lubricity. The best thing to use is WD-40 and yes it does work well for a replacement for ether.
Proper use with a zerostart system and the orfice sixed per the engine displacement not just emptying a can of starting fluid into the intake will not cause engine damage. Hell yes if starting fluid is not used correctly like anything will cause problems. My reference is a using a properly installed system not dumping a can into the intake. Please do a video on melted batteries, melted wiring and burnt starters.
@@kevinamstutz6118 Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. That starter motor must be getting red hot.
These past few cold start videos with Orwell are the best cold start videos in the history of cold start videos.
I’ve never seen a truck less prepared for winter in my 30 years of driving truck.
Man, that was a lot of cranking on that starter!
Orwell just a bit grumpy waking up from his prolonged slumber.
They have this stuff called starting fluid. What the actual fuck I have never in my life seen anyone ever crank a motor for almost 2 mins straight. Crazy crazy crazy.
LOL Orwell was having too deep a slumber to wake up, as it was hibernating.
Run synthetic oil, install an engine heater and you would never have to abuse your starter like that. I used engine heaters( both webasto and espar) for 30+ years on my Cats and Cummins. Always gives you a quick, clean start.
New York City diesel buses got rid of traditional starters and switched to air starters. They did this because drivers would keep cranking and cranking they had too many buses go on fire.
At 18:02 I thought that driver was going to take out your camera.
Cam was ok wasnt a company from Arizona or Missouri
That was some good blind side backing when you first arrived there I think everyone Was glad you pointed out just because you had to rock the tractor the stupid ELD kicked in that’s a shame those F!!!!!! Idiots at DOT & FMCSA in D.C. needs to understand these scenarios and the ability of the drivers & mechanics to be able to move equipment around the yard Steve
That starter got a workout! Damn it must of been smoking. LOL
Definitely the meanest cold start on the internet
Hopefully he leaves it run for an hour, or he'll have to boost it again to unload it
That was painful to watch, but I had too. If the starter wasn't fried it is now.COME ON MAN!
I think she likes summer better, lol greetings
Appreciate all of your extra work....constantly moving the cameras to get better angles for us...in what was a crap filled day for you. Stay safe!!
One drama after another.
That's truckin
That starter had to be glowing red hot!!!! A couple squirts of some special sauce could help.
He's just a little upset he wants to get back to work that pete sounds so sweet
I think 🤔 Orwell is a lill upset for leavin him sit there for so long in the Cold 🥶
That poor starter! I run service calls for a wrecker service here in balmy Michigan, a little ether really saves the starters. And don't give the "it ain't safe" crap. If it wasn't safe than why did Some farm tractors come stock with ether injectors? When I worked at the airport in GSE equipment we had ether injectors on all our diesels.
You gotta be on starter 3 or 4 by now
If I every kept the starter cranking like that my boss would've fired me on the spot!! Worse thing for the starter!!
Totally agree. Ether is perfectly safe for the engine in modest amounts and at low temperatures. Where people get in trouble is when they either use a boatload of it, or use it on engines with glow plugs. You CAN NOT use BOTH ether AND glow plugs, it has to be one or the other. Some of the older cats had glow plugs but the 3406B doesn't so that's not a concern.
BTW I've started my 3406B in 15-20 degree weather no problem, if all is in good shape they are pretty capable at cold starts.
I saw in the followup video it was -5 degrees there, yea, that's definitely ether climate... I've never been in weather that cold with my semi..
You need an engine block heater on that. If you had a small apu you could plug it into that a couple of hours before starting
Steve you should install some Battery Ports and put them in a easy access area for future Battery jump start . Keep on trucking.
I grew up in Wisconsin and can confirm that 40 degrees is indeed t-shirt and shorts weather (thats damn near a heat wave). Especially after the temperatures would be well below freezing (and often below 0) for a month or more at a time. My father has a polaroid of my brother and I riding our bikes through snowbanks and slush puddles while dressed like we were going to the beach lol.
40 is great here.
Couldn't blame the starter if it did take a shit, holy fucken multiple long nonstop cranking sessions.
I love that old classic truck
Orwell is a cold blooded beast!
I'm surprised that Kenworth didn't have remote Booster pegs. My company got a few Kenworths of over the last two years and virtually all of them have remote Booster pegs. The ones on my own in particular are right in the steering wheel well just under the hood, in theory I don't even need to open the hood to get to em, though I usually do for sake of ease of access. Most of the company trucks have it on the back deck just behind the cab.
As for your starter.... Uh running it more then a minute at a time is one of the fastest ways to burn it out fast. They don't have the thermal mass to absorb running so long.
Orwell is hibernating🤣
That was an EPIC cold start!
I admire your patience
@Patience . In the cold too, he handled it well on camera. Good job.
Hi Steve I miss Orwell I can't wait to see it back on the road she is a beautiful truck and I want to see you driving her
Turning it over for as long as you did isn't good. You have to let the starter cool down some. As i asked once before does the 3406B have provisions for glow plugs? I live in Canada and they help a lot. when you get a chance go to Victoria Truck Spotting and Midwest Peterbilt Group channels and see some other 362s.
gonna need that spare starter for Orwell after that one
that starter is heart for sure. and lets not talk about the computerized charging system on that KW..
Steve must go through couple starters a year the way it runs the starter!
Great channel. Why did you have the front strobe lights on while starting Orwell?
That is the cold bloodest Cat 425 I’ve ever seen!
Last time i fooled with one that cold blooded it was down on compression.
Mine will start right off in cold weather. It started like that just before I rebuilt it.
Orwell is one of a kind.
Next there is jump posts on the frame behind the driver tire on those style kenworth
Please make more cold start videos and show us what you do inside the cab to get them started. I’d love to see what you do with the throttle pedal. Subscribed!
Surprised you didn’t give him a little whiff of Cosby in a Can! Couldn’t have been any worse for it lol
I’m from pewaukee can’t wait to catch you rolling one of these days. When you gonna get some polished half fenders and some polished drives and give the steers a buff get Orwell looking old school cool
I think Orwell would prefer to in a cosy workshop all winter , and hit the road in springtime all nice n rested !
He needs to rent a rig for the winter and drive Orwell in the summer
That's the best cold start that I've seen in a long time. Usually when they have fairings on like that they put a jump-start post on them somewhere. Must be Kenworth forgot to install one
Yeah my W900 has jump start posts on the frame rail behind the driver's side fuel tank.
I'm with you on the no ether Steve.
I've seen the damage caused by it.
I've seen some farm help use it like it bug spray.
You have to know how to use it right!
If only I could be there to help you get him home , a dream job for me , carl uk 🇬🇧
I could hear people praying for your safety and for Orwell to start up including myself!
It’s amusing that he’s excited about it being 40 degrees lol. If I lived up north I guess I would be too. It’s always humid and hot down here and the mosquitos are the size of hummingbirds
Cold cat
Super filming. Tough conditions. Good video.
Orwell wanted to wait tell spring to get fixed
I wanted to see the load up and hookup
Now that was a cold start.
Näin on
Kyllä
Cook breakfast on that starter. Wow !!
On the t660 there should be jump points on the frame under the hood by the cab drivers side
Ain't trucking fun in the winter? I was reliving some of my past experiences watching you. Keep up the great videos and keep on truckin!
Definitely before the little green apu if someone else is driving that tractor you won't have a rescue tractor anymore smiling 😊just kidding awesome videos trucker stay safe
Most of your viewers not only see you AS having a larger then life personality they hope Orwell will be up & running soon
I'd of liked to see the full wake up of Orwell . I bet the air was so full o cursing it had to be cut down majorly . Good work Steve . I know how hard times like that are when you are on your own .
:-D
This what my Detroit does when it's cold.:) Love it.:)
Ya don’t listen just turn the key and keep going till she starts. Don’t matter how long it takes.
Oh what a bag of sand would for you, Sutton ice.
My neighbor hard that problem a few years ago, we had ice everywhere and his lockers were broken.
One bag got him back into his driveway and second went into the truck for “just in case”.
My comment is always positive. Always. Love your videos.
He POSITIVELY severely shortened that starters life !
That's cruel even by Hillary's standards.
Fuck Joe Biden
Orwell say's no i am not getting up
Meanwhile, the jumper cables are on fire...
I can’t believe that gps told you there was a broken card own the road on the shoulder. And of course you didn’t change lanes lol
Bulldozer engine with marine injectors ! Need a pony engine to crank the big engine. As to the starter...most have a thermal switch built in to disable if it overheats. Heat the intake manifold with a propane torch...old bulldozer and farm tractor trick.
From the way and the amount of time it took to actually fire it looks more like poor fuel pressure/air in the pump/injection system ? is there a non return valve in the fuel supply line if yes does it work ? or are CAT 4306 engines just totally crap at starting in anything below --0 degree C !
Nothing ever goes as planned ha STEVE expect THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON BROTHER 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🙂🙂🙂
Man that turned into a bit of an ordeal, I feel for ya having to do all that in the cold. Most of my driving I ran team with my brother so when we had a problem there was 2 of us fixing it. Be well!
Aint winter wonderful!
Spent many mornings nursing my 6.2s back to life. They never let me down.
Am I the only one old enough to remember when sanders for the front tandem axle were common OTR winter equipment? I guess I was overseas when they went out of style in the USA.
happy start..... give it a sniff
Steve you need to install a remote battery cable to Orwell so you don't have to lift the cab all the time. The type you would use on a fork lift works the best. I used 2/0 cable and will handle anything.
Good Luck with orwell..he sure is grumpy when he wakes up.. i would love to how orwell starts in the summer really? i wonder if he's has grumpy...
Grumpy kitty cat this morning. Poor old caterpillar
That's melted the plug on black one's alternator.
Do you have a APU on loaner? Plug in Orwell for a couple hours. It should start like 50f day.
Orwell is old enough I think he would LOVE some either. Just not with glow plugs. Use much less then you think is needed. (Best with two people). As cranking a whiff in air filter, then another. By myself on tube for air filter. It gets sucked in.
Should of had the guys at the tire shop plug your truck in the day before for you!
Seriously, you should buy a small generator, maybe 3k, and after installing a tank-style block heater, you can start the generator then let the tank heater take over for an hour, you truck would start instantly. Better than burning out $600 starters. Those Kat heaters can be bought for $150 off Kat's website for a 2000 watt version for big truck.
Happen to the best of us bro your righthand exhorts blows some mean smoke ring
Kitty cats don't like cold weather. They need pre heating of some kind. It'd been nice if you could have pulled it to crank it. Of course you'd have had to pull it to Cleveland! 😅
Jesus man....sniff of ether and save a starters life
sorry for all the miserable work you had to do Steve, but my goodness it led to a fantastic video watching from my warm couch lol, the unforeseen problems and cold start were awesome to follow along with, I'm going to watch it again and again
0:07 You know it's been cold outside when you consider 40°F T-shirt weather.
Where in the Sam Hill is that cat litter when you need it?Hey, Orwell's blowing smoke rings. Cool! Steve, I know you needed to get home, but when that cab wouldn't come down that's about the time I would have headed back up to the motel you stayed in while you were waiting for Jen and stayed there till the spring thaw. Well looks like we are waiting for the next video so till then.....Later!
That’s it don’t let the starter get a breath and cool down. Just keep cranking. If it smokes it building heat in motor, let it set a little and then try. Gives time for starter to get a break. Also which it cheaper a little shot of juice or a starter?
That trailer looks so weird not on Orwell, oh and damn shes grumpy as hell this mornin
I can't believe you had to take the whole side off just to get to the batteries. If I owned that truck I'd definitely be adding a jumper line that was easily accessible.
Did you pick up Murphy as a co-driver? Reminds me of starting an old Mercedes-Benz 190D on a very cold morning, lots of glow plug time and finally started on 1, then 2 and finally all 4 cyls. Smoke cloud stretched a block downwind.
Hey Steve i hope you didn't burn out y our Starter on your Cabover why not use some either it would have helped i Man though that was truly a lot of work Stay Safe out their
I have a old Freightliner Cabover and I live in NH, we leave it running all winter, From Thanksgiving to Easter it will not be shut off, always warm ready to go , fuel cost compared to aggravation of a no start, get in and go make bank ....
Like waking up a hibernating bear lol, Orwell was cranky.
There is a very simple setup where you can use a high voltage/amps DC connector wired directly to the battery to make jump starting/charging the battery easier when it is in a hard to reach location. Something like the Anderson connector works well as it can't be reversed so once wired to the battery can be put into one of the side compartments for easy access. Swap out one side of the jumper cables for a connector and it is a very fast process to hook up to Orwell.
Could also be done to the company trucks if they have in house mechanics as it is simple once they know they can and ordering the parts in bulk makes the process cheaper.
My truck started that bad I would definitely be hot underneath the collar plus have you taken to the shop to see if there's anything on a whack
Looks like the Great Gods of Diesel have gifted you a big stinkin bag of Mondays....
I see your having fun at MAT
Thought you would show Orwell being a plow truck too.
Have you tried ether ?
Hi Steve, how many of you people were saying, come on Orwell or there’s a good girl, and secondly how many were thinking what a cracking set of jump leads they are? I could use a set like that once in a blue moon over here in the U.K., keep trucking Steve, markUK