Love the fresh ideas in Kover and LOL's locks. And Jim's pin in pin... Well, his non pin in pin are hard enough. I bet that's really nasty. Bill, for TJ's lock: try turning it upside down and raking... I posted a video of this technique a while ago on Flywheel's original pin in pin challenge lock - open in under 30 seconds every time. Not a practical "real world" attack, but fair game on challenge locks.
On that first one (the "demon" one), it seems like adding an ordinary spool would make it even more insidious. You'd still *need* a false set, but you'd have to notice the difference between the "game over" false set and the spool false set.
So nice to see someone as proficient as you admitting defeat and learning from it, while you also happens to teach us. Lots of people seems to have problems doing that and this only shows how mature and professional you truly are, Bill. Congratulations.
Thought the same thing. If the lock was that difficult I would spend the time looking for another avenue of attack. It is amazing how many times people put expensive locks on cardboard boxes.
I mean, let's be realistic. Nowadays how often do you hear about people picking their way in as a thief? I feel there are more non-criminal pickers today, than there are actual criminals using it as a tool. You always hear about the door being kicked in or a broken window.
NO WAY! I was literally thinking about countermilling that would make locks almost impossible to pick. I LITERALLY said to myself, "What if you ground down the ledge so that the driver pin would block the sheerline no matter what?" I was so excited to try it. I was gonna send one to you! And now I see this video. EDIT: I was right! Raking would be the only thing that would work! I bet you used a city rake.
Heard you're retiring and apparently this is the video I started with here on the locklab, Thanks for all the memories, we got enough here for a lifetime, now go and make some good ones with your loved ones.
i really hate to defend masterlock, but the actual lock isn't that important to someone who wants to steal something. most don't pick the locks anyway and masterlock knows this. thieves attack around the locks because they aren't going to risk using a method that may not work. that's where you get into bolt cutters, hacksaws, and portable angle grinders. really good lock doesn't stop someone from attacking the chain, door, or bike rack. the lock is just to make you feel better.
Seems to me these modifications could be made to cheap locks to vastly improve their security. What kind of tools would you recommend for making those kinds of serrated cuts? Dremel?
I made some drivers just like that last year, I even bought a mini drill press to make more. I pinned them up in a antique yale with numbers all over it like the 1 you picked recently. I still got to mail it to Texas Jim then to Harry
Simply amazing work on those locks. The first one would be great high security cylinder and would tell you someone had tried to gain entry. The second one could have problems if a spring or even dirt got caught in the moving sub bible. The third one I have had a lock with one pin-in-pin that I had to tear down, plug was seized and wouldn't move(no key with lock) Problem was the lock had chamber plugs drilled and they weren't straight, the pin-in-pin got deformed from picking and wedged at the shearline, screwing them together. So watch out when making those pin-in-pins, if the outer one has thin walls it will most likely deform at some point when picking the lock.
Thank you so much for the detailed disassembles Bill. I'm curious why these devious challenge lock creators don't seem to use anti bump springs? Along with furious bitting they certainly seem to stop me bumping, raking etc and demand only SPP. Is there anywhere to buy these pin in pin pins for my practice lock or do they have to be made?
Hi All.... Bill, Thanx for this, I've been working on 7-Pin SFIC Locks with Spool pins for the last 3-Days... MUCH Trouble, and YES; Restart is a good bet. I would work on the locks for an hour or three, and think to myself, "Bill can pick these, WTF am I missing?" . I popped open UTube to search for "Spool Picking" and saw your new UTube post, and here you are, although your locks are somewhat more complex; still SAME Idea !!!! Again THANK YOU and all the folks who sent these beautiful designs !!! Picking since 1969; SPARROWS Sandman Creator; From Las Vegas, DrDave.... Clear...
Awesome mechanisms! I can hardly believe you opened them without a key. Why don't they use this kind of stuff in commercial locks? Just too expensive to make?
Thanks man 4 sharing such a genius skills and awesome engineering is pleasure to watch these great designs... And always thanks for your awesome videos...
I have one of Korvers locks with 2 pins and boy is it a pain. The 2nd lock looks like the work of farmer freak except freak has springs against that floating plate. These guys sure do put the work challenge into challenge locks.
This makes me remember something I am seeing lately, what face of a Philips style keylock(the ones with 4 sets of pins in a shape similar to the named screwdriver)?
Bill, I hate to say it but I'm sort of glad you weren't able to pick that lock by "Texas Jim" with the floating pins. Sorry to say that. But, I saw those evil things and my jaw hit the floor. I literally said out loud, "WHAT are those?!" I've never seen anything like that before. The full compliment of serrated pins was bad enough but those evil floating pins, wow. My immediate thought was, I'll NEVER be able to pick a lock like that. Quite honestly, I think if you would have picked that open on camera (even though your skills far out pace mine) I would have just been so frustrated that I would have thrown my meager collection of picks away and gave up picking.
Great engineering, I just ask why it isn't the standard by now? Years of engineering and we still only get standard pins in most locks. With a CNC mill one could build tens of those in no time, for $20 retail price at most. We need for locks something like Convoy is for flashlights. Now we have MasterLock, which is basically the equivalent of Maglite lol.
Whoa, Taylorsville, UTAH! That's *my* state! I live in Orem! :-) (Hmm... "for a reason" ought to be replaced by "for a *purpose*," because even accidents are reasons.) But how are these little home guys ("LOL," "Texas Jim," etc.) able to make customized locks and keys like that, though?
omg i know my local lock smith has trouble to open Yale lock on my front door, he told the police them yale locks mess him up. some thing about the very end tip of the key, that extra little notch. well any how, the police, when they want to enter a place and leave no evidence of forced entry. they call this lock smith. and he will open the place for them with no search warrant. then leave and lock the door back up. i just wish i had them all on video for that. they will plant drugs in a persons house or just go for a look if they have anonymous tip. the police in my city have been in trouble over this kind of thing for over 20 years now, but they never get fired. so this video about your friends lock is really cool and i do understand the how and why it works, me, 29 years auto repair and many car locks later. about 10 years ago i was in his office and he told me, if you never want a person to pick your house door lock get the yale, hahaha and i did just that. ooh by the way, my city is springfield illinois. and he is the top rated lock smith for the city and he is on the city call list. i know he did some thing very illegal and i do not want to cause him harm, even thou he tried to do it to me. i use his lock service for when i need some thing done on the cars i work on, he has no clue that he tried to break into my house. he didnt know where i live.
Maybe you can explain something to me. Probably not because even the friend who does it isn't sure why it helps him so much, but here goes. When a new, tough lock comes on the market, he buys a dozen of them. He uses them for practice, of course, and usually destroys one or two, but his main purpose is to study all the keys. He looks at each, compares them in several ways, looks some more, and rinses and repeats for several days. From this, he is somehow able to open any lock he's faced so far. But he says he can't tell me why or how this helps him so much because he doesn't know. He says it really doesn't make sense, even to him, but there's no doubt that it helps.
hey thanks for teaching me how to pick locks. about a month into it and already conquered every lock I've come across and even a few safes. anyways you say your not affiliated with Peterson at all but did you know they're using your name to sell their products? I want some "Bosnian Bill" style picks
+bosnianbill well being a Canuck myself I first chose to support sparrows. FYI shipped in 2 days to me :) I did notice they've started using your coined phrase. your right, oh well. I'm certain you could negotiate something if you so desire. are you still sending out locks/challenge locks? I wouldn't mind trying my hand on a few.
+bosnianbill I can't say for Canadian law and IANAL, but you do have some claim to "Bosnian Bill" as a trademark, and should be able to aquire some monetary compensation for their use of it or force them to stop using it if you so desire.
Is it possible to create a key for an existing lock without removing and disassembling the lock? To add to my skillset: I've picked a lock with, I believe, 2 security pins, a couple times now. Turning it the wrong direction allows the barrel to spin easily, but the security pins bite in the correct direction. I'm wondering, if, when the barrel is free to rotate in the wrong direction, then the pins in the core are just resting (at the bottom, not top). Would it be possible to get their positions and re-create a key from this somehow?
Locksmiths have to do this all the time for people who have lost their car key's for example, its cheaper to pay a locksmith than to replace an entire lock system in a car.
all very nice but the question I think of is how many times is the lock good for before the key is no help, and all that mill work would make it weaker and easier to twist open with screw driver. This seems to me, just an exercise in tying a Gordian knot and we know how that problem was solved by Alexander.
NICE! so you did get it open! Took you long enough :P I expect to see that everest gutted soon. Really cool to show pictures of other people's designs. :D
+Nexinator price price price on the shelf at the hardware store. the lower cost stuff sells. the average person has no clue what they are buying, these locks will cost much more so no sales at the local stores and they know it. just like car parts, they have no need to make them better to last longer. cheap car parts break, this means you must fix it later. this means your going to pay more money
Cost of manufacture mainly. More moving parts and tighter tolerances are two things that vastly increase price. Add then to that that most of these will require hand finishing, if not being hand built from the ground up and that rules out any kind of commercial application. What does surprise me however, is that commercial and/or industrial entities don't have high security locks commissioned for their more secure environs. A Medeco gives good results, a Medeco that has been tinkered further with, or that has had additional features added would be utterly impregnable. This sadly would mean entry teams would have to force entry in the event the key was broken or lost. That's the only downside I can see!
Yessir Bill, somebody's gotta keep you in check, LOL. btw, have you posted any vids about simply sheering off the pins by using a wrench with flat screwdriver blade? Don
+mr42ndstblvd Kind of expected that. I still find the though of some oh-so-clever thief trying to pick this lock just going "What the fuck is this shit!?" very humerous.
+Texas Jim ok well I am in australia and just brought myself the southord c2010 and have raked 2 cheap Chinese locks but I can't get the feel of single pick picking and hopefully someone can help
+Alan Scott keep practicing brother,,what help me was pick from back to front ,start light tension if that don't work lil more tension I found when I first started I would put way to much tension,I prefer a skinnier pick but it's all personal preference,,some of my friends started picking gave up after a little cause they weren't getting it,,don't give up. Cheers
+aethertech "unpickable" does not exist. With enough time and some luck, you can open everything. SPPing would probably be impossible, but it's still not impossible to rake it. Just incredibly unlikely and time-consuming.
+aethertech Also the goal here is not really to make a lock that can't be picked. The goal is to make a lock that works but is incredibly difficult to pick. These locks are used only for picking really, not trying to keep stuff safe.
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+Jacob Patrick i agree with you, if no quick success with picking, the thief will use a drill to open.. ;)
+Kühn This is why I love the idea of evolving security, especially with locks. Identifying a weak point and trying to fix it. Trying to make something undrillable by using steel, or even carbide, anti drill pins. Some ABS locks have over a dozen pins scattered through out the lock, which is already probably overkill. There's always something you can do to make your lock better at keeping people out.
at the moment, this brinks lock is what I need a key for. I bought two locks, brass body50mm adjusting shackle 5 pins, and I guess there are spools in it. its got my completely dumbfounded. ** EDIT: I have now made these locks my bitch, my biggest issue was tensioning. that is half of the job after all.**
hey Bill, I've been picking on locks for about a year now and I'm looking for some inexpensive plug followers? any suggestions? (using sockets is getting old)
Thanks man, trying to take apart a primus cylinder to pick one pin at a time (hopefully to get some feel...yeah right). Socket wasn't working on the mortise cylinder
+Hairychickenwings Hard Plastic hoses/tubes where they sell them on giant spools at hardware stores. You can get them for a few cents. They likely won't have them for all sized locks, but they are a nice (and ultra cheap) addition.
+Hairychickenwings I use a rolled up sheet of plastic cut from a soda bottle... It's adjustable to any size, and springy enough to never drop anything or fall out. Nothing beats the price of free.
+Hazel Hazelton I have some cheap very thin plastic "cutting board mats"which i could use in a similar way, but for what you said, the key is "soda bottle" not a "drink bottle" because a "water bottle" is typically made from flimsy non-springy plastic, while SODA Bottles are more rigid and springy. I am going to save one and cut out the middle section so I can have one. Thanks for the tip. I suppose if you just curled the entire mid section, it would have enough outward force to work great, while a single layer just big enough would be a very bad idea, because if it twisted slightly it my spring outward un-evenly and be a disaster.
I can, it's from me (note the FF on the plug). Some of the master pins do go above the springs, they correspond with the other master pin. When set up correctly they balance the pin stacks so none of the pins can be pushed higher than a 0 depth, and all the key pins are about a -2 depth. I guess I could've set it on a more difficult combination.. Good job finding the right jiggler key.
i do have a question, i just got a safe for free it uses the 4 way key system, with combination lock. . . . yea i git for free it's about a 400 pound boat ancher right now, any words of wisdom on getting it?
You can generally rake open the cross locks. I've made several videos of both raking and SPPing them. There are also bumpkeys for them that sometimes work. Once you get it open you can reset the combination.
By using a threading tap. They are mostly hand held tools and come in many sizes and threads per inch etc. You would simply select your tap, insert it into the cylinder where the pins move up and down and twist the tap down through those holes. As you twist you will feel the tap cutting and pulling the tool deeper into the whole as it threads its way through. Its basically like tightening a bolt into a hole but this bolt is making its own threads as you turn it. Hope this makes sense.
why don't the wafers make it easier to pick? isn't it like creating another place where the pin can reach the sheer line and allow for the lock to open?
Luckily this sort of thing is way too expensive to mass produce! I bet someone could make a bunch of money modifying cheapo locks for people who want remarkably more security without it appearing to someone like you have something you don't want being stolen.
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i love watching nicholas cage open these locks and spread his knowledge!
Lol
Thank you, Sir!
and after watching hundreds of videos I thought I'd seen everything. Bill I must commend you, this is the stuff I aspire to. I love it.
MAN those those are some ingenious designs.
Love the fresh ideas in Kover and LOL's locks. And Jim's pin in pin... Well, his non pin in pin are hard enough. I bet that's really nasty.
Bill, for TJ's lock: try turning it upside down and raking... I posted a video of this technique a while ago on Flywheel's original pin in pin challenge lock - open in under 30 seconds every time. Not a practical "real world" attack, but fair game on challenge locks.
+LockPickingLawyer this is a good idea.
Thanks... frankly, I was stunned when it actually worked. So seldom does theory and implementation align so neatly in picking.
On that first one (the "demon" one), it seems like adding an ordinary spool would make it even more insidious. You'd still *need* a false set, but you'd have to notice the difference between the "game over" false set and the spool false set.
I really enjoy the review of the unique locks people take the time to build. It is fascinating and very informative. Thanks!
So nice to see someone as proficient as you admitting defeat and learning from it, while you also happens to teach us. Lots of people seems to have problems doing that and this only shows how mature and professional you truly are, Bill. Congratulations.
If ALL locks were that difficult, then thieves would take the easy route and destroy the door, wall or go through a window.
Thought the same thing. If the lock was that difficult I would spend the time looking for another avenue of attack. It is amazing how many times people put expensive locks on cardboard boxes.
Pen test not thief BTW
+Stephen Wilson most of the time they just break the door open, doesn't make that much noise and is much quicker than drilling or picking.
+Stephen Wilson They already do that though...
I mean, let's be realistic. Nowadays how often do you hear about people picking their way in as a thief? I feel there are more non-criminal pickers today, than there are actual criminals using it as a tool. You always hear about the door being kicked in or a broken window.
Hey I picked my first lock today I do appreciate the great quality videos you make. Thank you and stay legal!!!
NO WAY! I was literally thinking about countermilling that would make locks almost impossible to pick. I LITERALLY said to myself, "What if you ground down the ledge so that the driver pin would block the sheerline no matter what?" I was so excited to try it. I was gonna send one to you! And now I see this video.
EDIT: I was right! Raking would be the only thing that would work! I bet you used a city rake.
Heard you're retiring and apparently this is the video I started with here on the locklab, Thanks for all the memories, we got enough here for a lifetime, now go and make some good ones with your loved ones.
This are things lock manufacturers can lurn something from..... And I specially mean YOU Master lock!
+AnobisBloodwing
Yeah, I'm "sure" Master Lock was here to read that one.
i really hate to defend masterlock, but the actual lock isn't that important to someone who wants to steal something. most don't pick the locks anyway and masterlock knows this. thieves attack around the locks because they aren't going to risk using a method that may not work. that's where you get into bolt cutters, hacksaws, and portable angle grinders. really good lock doesn't stop someone from attacking the chain, door, or bike rack. the lock is just to make you feel better.
Thomas Jenkins the lock is just there to keep honest men honest.
"Guys, the thermal drill, go get it."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, BEST COMMENT HERE.
it always breaks down though!!!!
remember gold is golden
Really amazing the way people are making these locks to trip you up Bill. Great job on the video's, keep them coming...
Seems to me these modifications could be made to cheap locks to vastly improve their security. What kind of tools would you recommend for making those kinds of serrated cuts? Dremel?
it's actually hard to believe that even the right key would never encounter a bind, the guts being so complex..nice vid thx !
As 'Pappy' always said; "LOCKS ARE TO KEEP HONEST PEOPLE - HONEST"!
I made some drivers just like that last year, I even bought a mini drill press to make more. I pinned them up in a antique yale with numbers all over it like the 1 you picked recently. I still got to mail it to Texas Jim then to Harry
Simply amazing work on those locks. The first one would be great high security cylinder and would tell you someone had tried to gain entry. The second one could have problems if a spring or even dirt got caught in the moving sub bible. The third one I have had a lock with one pin-in-pin that I had to tear down, plug was seized and wouldn't move(no key with lock)
Problem was the lock had chamber plugs drilled and they weren't straight, the pin-in-pin got deformed from picking and wedged at the shearline, screwing them together.
So watch out when making those pin-in-pins, if the outer one has thin walls it will most likely deform at some point when picking the lock.
Nice locks. So much thought and engineering
Love these innovations. They should patent this stuff and sell it.
Thank you so much for the detailed disassembles Bill. I'm curious why these devious challenge lock creators don't seem to use anti bump springs?
Along with furious bitting they certainly seem to stop me bumping, raking etc and demand only SPP.
Is there anywhere to buy these pin in pin pins for my practice lock or do they have to be made?
Hi All....
Bill, Thanx for this, I've been working on 7-Pin SFIC Locks with Spool pins for the last 3-Days... MUCH Trouble, and YES; Restart is a good bet. I would work on the locks for an hour or three, and think to myself, "Bill can pick these, WTF am I missing?" . I popped open UTube to search for "Spool Picking" and saw your new UTube post, and here you are, although your locks are somewhat more complex; still SAME Idea !!!! Again THANK YOU and all the folks who sent these beautiful designs !!! Picking since 1969; SPARROWS Sandman Creator; From Las Vegas, DrDave.... Clear...
Awesome mechanisms! I can hardly believe you opened them without a key.
Why don't they use this kind of stuff in commercial locks? Just too expensive to make?
Thanks man 4 sharing such a genius skills and awesome engineering is pleasure to watch these great designs... And always thanks for your awesome videos...
Nice work all the way around! I would be interested in how many hours those guys put into producing those locks vs. Bos's time picking.
This has got to be one of my favorite videos ever Bill. I would love to see more of the most devilish locks you have received!
1:40 that monster looks beautiful
Great set of locks, your very lucky for getting them open and as always great video
I have one of Korvers locks with 2 pins and boy is it a pain. The 2nd lock looks like the work of farmer freak except freak has springs against that floating plate. These guys sure do put the work challenge into challenge locks.
+Papa Gleb springs against the floating plate? like 4 springs to keep it in place?
This makes me remember something I am seeing lately, what face of a Philips style keylock(the ones with 4 sets of pins in a shape similar to the named screwdriver)?
Bill, I hate to say it but I'm sort of glad you weren't able to pick that lock by "Texas Jim" with the floating pins. Sorry to say that. But, I saw those evil things and my jaw hit the floor. I literally said out loud, "WHAT are those?!" I've never seen anything like that before. The full compliment of serrated pins was bad enough but those evil floating pins, wow. My immediate thought was, I'll NEVER be able to pick a lock like that. Quite honestly, I think if you would have picked that open on camera (even though your skills far out pace mine) I would have just been so frustrated that I would have thrown my meager collection of picks away and gave up picking.
Great engineering, I just ask why it isn't the standard by now? Years of engineering and we still only get standard pins in most locks. With a CNC mill one could build tens of those in no time, for $20 retail price at most. We need for locks something like Convoy is for flashlights. Now we have MasterLock, which is basically the equivalent of Maglite lol.
Whoa, Taylorsville, UTAH! That's *my* state! I live in Orem! :-)
(Hmm... "for a reason" ought to be replaced by "for a *purpose*," because even accidents are reasons.)
But how are these little home guys ("LOL," "Texas Jim," etc.) able to make customized locks and keys like that, though?
The trick I've used for most is raking faster than the pins can set, but you will never see locks like this in mass production.
omg i know my local lock smith has trouble to open Yale lock on my front door, he told the police them yale locks mess him up. some thing about the very end tip of the key, that extra little notch. well any how, the police, when they want to enter a place and leave no evidence of forced entry. they call this lock smith. and he will open the place for them with no search warrant. then leave and lock the door back up. i just wish i had them all on video for that. they will plant drugs in a persons house or just go for a look if they have anonymous tip. the police in my city have been in trouble over this kind of thing for over 20 years now, but they never get fired. so this video about your friends lock is really cool and i do understand the how and why it works, me, 29 years auto repair and many car locks later. about 10 years ago i was in his office and he told me, if you never want a person to pick your house door lock get the yale, hahaha and i did just that. ooh by the way, my city is springfield illinois. and he is the top rated lock smith for the city and he is on the city call list. i know he did some thing very illegal and i do not want to cause him harm, even thou he tried to do it to me. i use his lock service for when i need some thing done on the cars i work on, he has no clue that he tried to break into my house. he didnt know where i live.
Wow nice locks and amazing fabrication Picking skills
Have you just tried raking with a ball-pick? Seems to work for every 'security pin' I've seen so far.
Send that last one to LPL, maybe it will take the smug out of his voice. Kidding, I love LPL.
Maybe you can explain something to me. Probably not because even the friend who does it isn't sure why it helps him so much, but here goes. When a new, tough lock comes on the market, he buys a dozen of them. He uses them for practice, of course, and usually destroys one or two, but his main purpose is to study all the keys. He looks at each, compares them in several ways, looks some more, and rinses and repeats for several days. From this, he is somehow able to open any lock he's faced so far. But he says he can't tell me why or how this helps him so much because he doesn't know. He says it really doesn't make sense, even to him, but there's no doubt that it helps.
Whats your question?
hey thanks for teaching me how to pick locks. about a month into it and already conquered every lock I've come across and even a few safes. anyways you say your not affiliated with Peterson at all but did you know they're using your name to sell their products? I want some "Bosnian Bill" style picks
+bosnianbill well being a Canuck myself I first chose to support sparrows. FYI shipped in 2 days to me :)
I did notice they've started using your coined phrase. your right, oh well. I'm certain you could negotiate something if you so desire.
are you still sending out locks/challenge locks? I wouldn't mind trying my hand on a few.
+bosnianbill I can't say for Canadian law and IANAL, but you do have some claim to "Bosnian Bill" as a trademark, and should be able to aquire some monetary compensation for their use of it or force them to stop using it if you so desire.
+bosnianbill The day Masterlock sell the Bosniabill approved lock, that's the day you go crazy :)
+bosnianbill turn it around and make them support you ... with money and such ... like a partnership
+arcadeuk Crazy? No. He's already crazy. A Masterlock Bosnian Bill Edition would cause him to go all "Scanners" head-splody.
Good video bill to show your fails that are verry interesting locks tonsee them take apart. Maybe master wil see that and copy those ideas.
I am humbled by the floating umm..hotchenpappy. Devious. I like it. All of um.
Jebus this is devious, thanks for the tips, I expect my home lock to be about as hard as you can get :)
Interesting! Surely if you counter bore down into the key pins, the lock won't open even with a key or am I missing something?
There were wafers that were pushed up to the sheer line and able to pass over the counterbores
"l can't belive it" a lock Bill can't pick!
Is it possible to create a key for an existing lock without removing and disassembling the lock? To add to my skillset: I've picked a lock with, I believe, 2 security pins, a couple times now. Turning it the wrong direction allows the barrel to spin easily, but the security pins bite in the correct direction. I'm wondering, if, when the barrel is free to rotate in the wrong direction, then the pins in the core are just resting (at the bottom, not top). Would it be possible to get their positions and re-create a key from this somehow?
+Nitrxgen Also look up reading a wafer lock also to answer the last part of your question. Certainly possible.
Locksmiths have to do this all the time for people who have lost their car key's for example, its cheaper to pay a locksmith than to replace an entire lock system in a car.
Gorgeous locks, some seem with a nice low, high, low, high pinning really close to impossible.
nice detailed work in those locks. I need a mill.
Some Demon locks there Bill and VERY well made. Also, Merry Christmas Bill and hope your having a great break (Thats if your getting a break)
all very nice but the question I think of is how many times is the lock good for before the key is no help, and all that mill work would make it weaker and easier to twist open with screw driver. This seems to me, just an exercise in tying a Gordian knot and we know how that problem was solved by Alexander.
So there are people that break down locks and re mill them and send them to you to pick open?
WOW!
I have two locks from Texas Jim ,I've got one open,I refuse to look at the other key I will pick it some day!!!!hes a evil genius hahah
In first lock, how key can open it? If key is used pin does not lock in chamber?
these are wildly impressive!
I wish I had the tools to make some of these!
LOL must be a neighbor of mine, nice to know im not the only one in my area interested in this
NICE! so you did get it open! Took you long enough :P I expect to see that everest gutted soon. Really cool to show pictures of other people's designs. :D
do bump keys fail on these locks?
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Why aren't these 2 folk being employed by lock manufacturers?
+Nexinator
because if they were, we would have to quit our hobby.
That's what I'm thinking too.
+Techno_Zed
Yeah, I'm "sure" that's why they don't apply to the mfr.s or why they don't get hired if they did apply.
+Nexinator price price price on the shelf at the hardware store. the lower cost stuff sells. the average person has no clue what they are buying, these locks will cost much more so no sales at the local stores and they know it. just like car parts, they have no need to make them better to last longer. cheap car parts break, this means you must fix it later. this means your going to pay more money
Cost of manufacture mainly. More moving parts and tighter tolerances are two things that vastly increase price. Add then to that that most of these will require hand finishing, if not being hand built from the ground up and that rules out any kind of commercial application. What does surprise me however, is that commercial and/or industrial entities don't have high security locks commissioned for their more secure environs.
A Medeco gives good results, a Medeco that has been tinkered further with, or that has had additional features added would be utterly impregnable. This sadly would mean entry teams would have to force entry in the event the key was broken or lost. That's the only downside I can see!
Yessir Bill, somebody's gotta keep you in check, LOL.
btw, have you posted any vids about simply sheering off the pins by using a wrench with flat screwdriver blade? Don
Can you demonstrate how you picked the first lock
Texas Jim seems like a mean person.
Cool stuff! Thanks for the great info and Happy Holidays
Come on Mr. Bill I always get a kick out of you saying, I DON'T NEED NO STINKING KEY.
Wouldn't overlifting/reversepicking work on the first lock you shown?
+Sebastian Nielsen Yes :P so would impressioning
where cab i get a lock like this I need one for my bedroom door
amazing fabrication skills.
is it possible to lock the lock without key. i can open it but i cant lock it again..
Crazy locks. Side note, those pin boards are nice. Did you make them or did you have them made.
I made them out of a cheese cutting board that I bought for $10 at a kitchen store. Pretty easy to make with a ruler and a dremel tool.
I'm not a trained locksmith but how realistic would it be to use these locks in a door?
+mr42ndstblvd Kind of expected that.
I still find the though of some oh-so-clever thief trying to pick this lock just going "What the fuck is this shit!?" very humerous.
Holy crap it's the guy from disturbed (the face on the lock)
Great bunch of locks.
yours looked very misleading do u hav any locks for someone who is just starting
+Alan Scott I just sent off the last locks I have. I am waiting on some more. I may have to buy some on ebay.
+Texas Jim ok well I am in australia and just brought myself the southord c2010 and have raked 2 cheap Chinese locks but I can't get the feel of single pick picking and hopefully someone can help
+Alan Scott keep practicing brother,,what help me was pick from back to front ,start light tension if that don't work lil more tension I found when I first started I would put way to much tension,I prefer a skinnier pick but it's all personal preference,,some of my friends started picking gave up after a little cause they weren't getting it,,don't give up. Cheers
+frank doemen thank for the confidence boost I will keep trying
Was that a Speed Turtle?!?! LOL
That was an incredible lock.
so are you going to pay them back? would love to see what you can come up with.
Taylorsville UT representing! Those are some amazing techniques!
Amazing pinning.
Combine LOL#2 with the Pin-in-Pin pins. Unpickable?
+aethertech "unpickable" does not exist. With enough time and some luck, you can open everything. SPPing would probably be impossible, but it's still not impossible to rake it. Just incredibly unlikely and time-consuming.
+aethertech Also the goal here is not really to make a lock that can't be picked. The goal is to make a lock that works but is incredibly difficult to pick. These locks are used only for picking really, not trying to keep stuff safe.
+Jacob Patrick i agree with you, if no quick success with picking, the thief will use a drill to open.. ;)
+Kühn This is why I love the idea of evolving security, especially with locks. Identifying a weak point and trying to fix it. Trying to make something undrillable by using steel, or even carbide, anti drill pins. Some ABS locks have over a dozen pins scattered through out the lock, which is already probably overkill. There's always something you can do to make your lock better at keeping people out.
+String.Epsilon
We'll see about that. Even this guy couldn't pick the last one.
at the moment, this brinks lock is what I need a key for. I bought two locks, brass body50mm adjusting shackle 5 pins, and I guess there are spools in it. its got my completely dumbfounded. ** EDIT: I have now made these locks my bitch, my biggest issue was tensioning. that is half of the job after all.**
Very Nice, well done all involved!
Those locks are amazing
+bosniabil I would like to take this opportunity to ask a question I've been wondering: What about impressioning? How can you learn?
The people who know locks like him and other locksmiths and lock makers. Ever modify your own house or car locks? I would love to do that.
Wow, that is some evil stuff XD
I like this arms race going on. Reminds me of chess by mail for machinists heheh.
I think they secretly don't like you Bill, seems they want to give you ulcers or a stroke trying to pick those! lol
hey Bill, I've been picking on locks for about a year now and I'm looking for some inexpensive plug followers? any suggestions? (using sockets is getting old)
Thanks man, trying to take apart a primus cylinder to pick one pin at a time (hopefully to get some feel...yeah right). Socket wasn't working on the mortise cylinder
+Hairychickenwings Hard Plastic hoses/tubes where they sell them on giant spools at hardware stores. You can get them for a few cents. They likely won't have them for all sized locks, but they are a nice (and ultra cheap) addition.
+Hairychickenwings
I use a rolled up sheet of plastic cut from a soda bottle... It's adjustable to any size, and springy enough to never drop anything or fall out.
Nothing beats the price of free.
+Hazel Hazelton I have some cheap very thin plastic "cutting board mats"which i could use in a similar way, but for what you said, the key is "soda bottle" not a "drink bottle" because a "water bottle" is typically made from flimsy non-springy plastic, while SODA Bottles are more rigid and springy. I am going to save one and cut out the middle section so I can have one. Thanks for the tip. I suppose if you just curled the entire mid section, it would have enough outward force to work great, while a single layer just big enough would be a very bad idea, because if it twisted slightly it my spring outward un-evenly and be a disaster.
I cannot confirm or deny that LOL is FarmerFreak.
I can, it's from me (note the FF on the plug). Some of the master pins do go above the springs, they correspond with the other master pin. When set up correctly they balance the pin stacks so none of the pins can be pushed higher than a 0 depth, and all the key pins are about a -2 depth. I guess I could've set it on a more difficult combination.. Good job finding the right jiggler key.
Great pinning skills indeed
I may have a nasty slaymaker padlock for you to pick, it is like nothing I've ever seen, no visible pins or anything.
i do have a question, i just got a safe for free it uses the 4 way key system, with combination lock. . . . yea i git for free it's about a 400 pound boat ancher right now, any words of wisdom on getting it?
You can generally rake open the cross locks. I've made several videos of both raking and SPPing them. There are also bumpkeys for them that sometimes work. Once you get it open you can reset the combination.
So for all intents and purposes lock manufacturers could make locks unpickable.
How do you put threading in the chambers?
By using a threading tap. They are mostly hand held tools and come in many sizes and threads per inch etc. You would simply select your tap, insert it into the cylinder where the pins move up and down and twist the tap down through those holes. As you twist you will feel the tap cutting and pulling the tool deeper into the whole as it threads its way through. Its basically like tightening a bolt into a hole but this bolt is making its own threads as you turn it. Hope this makes sense.
Jon Finch
Yeah it kinda does thanks
Love the tortoise!
why don't the wafers make it easier to pick? isn't it like creating another place where the pin can reach the sheer line and allow for the lock to open?
He explains why, rewatch the video. Additional modifications were in place.
What does a false set mean?
Now that's some pinning
Luckily this sort of thing is way too expensive to mass produce!
I bet someone could make a bunch of money modifying cheapo locks for people who want remarkably more security without it appearing to someone like you have something you don't want being stolen.
that's The Joker on the lock. I think whoever made it knew it would take you a while to pick it and was making a joke.
Amazing creations !