Even as an atheist, I've always had a fascination with openly religious characters, particularly when their religion isn't their defining trait. Listening to someone talk about their beliefs in a personal, heartfelt way is just nice. And yes, Alan Cumming is criminally underused.
netherworlde me too, especially because there is so much shame and guilt that some religions put on people. It's interesting to see how it affects their decisions.
netherworlde that's part of what makes characters like Nightcrawler and especially Daredevil so interesting. Other mainstream hero characters definitely have religious and spiritual beliefs, there's just not as much focus put on them. (Plus it simply doesn't make sense that the overwhelming majority would be ardent atheists). Spider-man especially is an interesting character in this regard. I really liked how JMS used Peter praying in his run as a really interesting window into Peter's character.
Tyler Worsham But in the comics Nightcrawler's a happy, bad-ass, comic relief. Also, he was never depressed enough to make him cut himself all over his body, scarring his life for each sin he's done. He is religious enough to beat the hell out of anyone who acts sinful and unholy, doing it as a mission for God though.
@@Tyler_W Daredevils catholicism is often utilised extremely well... it's not in your face, there's not any moral message to the sinners who watch it or anything. And he mostly suffers because of it. And the guilt bit is made fun of. Fantastic 😉
netherworlde it’s bad whenever they pick something like sex/ gender or sexuality or anything as a defining trait. I really do think we can all respect each other’s beliefs and opinions and get along.
I always liked Nightcrawler's religiosity in the comics; his character is so based around his desire for acceptance, that his faith in someone who would love him unconditionally made a lot of sense to who he was as a character. I'd never considered, though, the angle you brought up as a way for him to distance himself from his "demonic" image.
iwillworkharder I'd say he's more like a demon created by God (instead of the Devil) who was given the mission to beat the hell out of anyone who acts sinful and unholy.
Yeah it's a pity that they ruined it with that silly conspiracy. His faith made sense and Kurt as a pastor and community leader would have been interesting given the visibility of his mutation.
The Catholic church would never have accepted him as a priest, full stop. You have to get butts in the pews and money in the collection plates, and that was one of the dumbest effing plotlines Chris Claremont ever cooked up. A Protestant church might have given Kurt a chance, but the Catholics? No way.
@@cuyhater I was a devout Catholic for many years and I am quite sure they would. X-Men mutations are naturally occurring and therefore would be considered to be God's will. Sure some parishioners would complain which is why it would be an interesting story.
WOLVERINE: "I didn't know you were religious." KURT: "Yep." WOLVERINE (confused): "Didn't we bang once?" KURT: "Yep." WOLVERINE: ... KURT: ... WOLVERINE: "Okay." KURT: "Yep."
Seeing Lindsay (in her 30's apparently) talking about Nightcrawler in the nervous, giddy, helplessly joyful way a teenage girl might talk about her new crush... it's probably the sweetest thing I've seen in a while. I'm going to find myself smiling every time I see Nightcrawler now.
I know this comment is a year old but this video was out first in 2005ish or before. He was in his mid-early-late twenties at this points. I know because i was still in college first time i saw this, i think, and he's just a few years older than me
Nightcrawler has always been a very important character to me as a trans woman (and I've seen disabled people express similar sentiments) because he knows he can never "pass" as "normal". It would be really easy for him to brood and get depressed about that - and, I think, this is probably something he's struggled with - but instead he chooses to be happy and to be himself, rather than pretend to be some he's not to make others more comfortable. "It's better to be a whole me than a normal me", as he said.
Yeah, but who would want to be "normal" when you can stick to walls and teleport at will, Nightcrawler wishes he was normal, normal people wish they were special like Nightcrawler, it doesn't matter who you are or what you can do if you're unhappy being you changing who you are won't fix anything you will just be creating someone else who is unhappy because you just ran away from your problems, happiness comes from within .
@ "skull shape" Why are bigots always so interested in phrenology? Also, I don't care what your aunt posted on facebook, the fact of the matter is that the majority of psychological science agrees with trans people. Now crawl into the dustbin of history where you belong.
@ Yeah, we DON'T treat anorexics the same as trans people because... and try to keep up with me here... anorexia and being transgender are two different things. Transition has been shown, time and time again, to have a positive effect on trans people, while allowing an anorexic person to starve themselves does not. Y'all really need to get a different "gotcha" line, by the way. You've been using the "anorexia" line for at least a decade that I personally know of, probably longer, and it just. Doesn't. Work. Gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia might look similar to the layman, but they are fundamentally different issues with different treatments. And because scientists, you know, actually study things and make conclusions based off of facts, not their gut feeling that something is icky, they treat them differently because they *are* different. You would know this if you looked into it at all, but you're not going to because your head is so far up your ass it's coming back out of your mouth.
The thing that bothers me is that he wasn't Catholic when he was a teen and the cuts were for each sin he's done. And don't get me started on all his other plot holes.
Yes! Its my boy! I've loved Nightcrawler ever since my first X-Men comic my Mum got me when I was 4. Something about him is just so badass and charming while also being the nicest guy in the world. His character has been given more depth than almost every Marvel character ever. EDIT: And also he mayyyy have been the thing to make me realise that I'm gay. Idk, man. Dude's hot.
(Sorry, english its not my first languaje) Even if they bring Nightcrawler back, I dont think Alan Cummings will play the role because in an interview after the release of X-Men 2 he complained about the painting and the whole make-up, saying it could be quite stressful. However, I think he nailed it as Nightcrawler.
I mean the art is canon. ...It literally is visible canon in the book, ergo, it happened. Just because an artist is putting the detail in and not literally the writer or editor choosing it does not change the canon.
@@JacksonJinn Yep - so if an editor or writer doesn't like something, they need to actually check the art - lest it be canon. If you say one picture in a book isn't canon, then the entire book becomes suspect. Easier to just accept the image.
@@JacksonJinn "the art is canon" But the artist didn't write the story. If the story says they were lovers ok. But nothing anywhere else says or implies they were. Therefore it isn't canon.
I quite liked Kodi Smit-McPhee as lil’ Nightcrawler in ‘Apocalypse’. He was absolutely adorable (as Nightcrawler should be), and no, he wasn’t as good as Alan Cumming, but Christ, who is? After watching ‘Apocalypse’, I got the impression that the scars weren’t self-inflicted, but done to him by someone else (possibly at the circus), possibly to make him look more otherworldly or demonic.
Yeah, that's my leading fan theory at this point. Doesn't make sense for him to scar himself for his sins, it fits with the demonic-fear narrative, and explains how they're so precise and well-drawn (seriously, drawing on yourself is hard).
Sometimes i think wolverine and the xmen was a fever dream i had, but then every once in a while someone will briefly mention it and suddenly memories come flooding back, though that's okay because i actually really liked that show when i was a kid and was sad it got cancelled
dude 'fever dream' is the best way to describe that show- especially given all the big plot things that just never got resolved and the episodes I never saw. I wish there was a way I could watch it fully through so I could know what the hecky was happening
Kurt has always been my favourite and X-Men Evolution is so underrated, it did a great job introducing a new younger demographic to the X-Men (because the first two movies are awesome but they didn't do much for the really young kids) and had great character development and arcs (and the first season is so early 2000 and adults trying to make hip teenage characters it's just funny and cringy in the best way)
I've always heard it pronounced "Ah-zay-zil" so I went and looked up the actual pronunciation and am astounded that she's the only person I've ever heard to pronounce it technically correct. Lindsay - 1, A Billion Seasons of Supernatural - 0.
@ Robert Wallis Kitty Pryde and Jubilee were the best two. With X-23, you could kind of say he was adopting his real daughter ( being that she's a clone and all ).
The thing about Azazel that’s the most disappointing is that he COULD have worked. Not as a demon, but as a normal human mutant with the same mutant abilities as Kurt. The idea that Nightcrawler’s father not only had the same powers as he did, but the same alienating appearance as well has potential. Kurt is kind of ashamed of the way he looks, and tries to charm people to cope. Meanwhile Azazel leaned HARD into his demonic appearance, and acted in keeping to the monster he was made out to be. But no, instead they imply that Azazel is a LITERAL demon, completely invalidating Kurt’s goal of proving to people that looking monstrous is not the same as being monstrous. He literally IS a demon.
But you didn't mention Bamfs! The tiny blue duplicates of Kurt that were originally part of a fanfic story Kitty was writing (there is also a Wolverine analog that was Logan as played by the Tasmanian Devil called Mean. It was odd, but fun) but turned out to be real...
BinarySecond & Damocles Nightcrawler is naked. Wolverine is staring at his dick(s). The beer bottle Wolverine is holding = an erection. (Yes, this was all intentional)
I actually loved him in X-Men apocalypse. It was really neat how they actually showed his teleportation from his perspective. It came out of nowhere and kind of blew my mind
Taking about comics: You have my curiosity. Talking about Nightcrawler: You had my curiosity but now you have my attention. PS. Any fans of XMen Evolution?
What I find funny is that Cockrum originally created Nightcrawler for the Legion of Superheroes comics published by DC, but the design was rejected because it was too goofy looking (apparently more goofy looking than an orange bald guy with pointy ears and antanea).
Alex Rudinski The joke is everyone in Romania is a gypsy (obviously an exaggeration; Bulgaria has more Romani per capital than any other country in the world).
''Are there Ultimate versions of characters that people actually like besides Miles?'' Personally, I really dug most of the Ultimate Spiderman supporting characters even before Miles was invented. Particularly Ultimate Aunt May and Gwen Stacy.
I love how the character is supposed to be German but they couldn't even spell the random German words he uses in his sentences correctly in the comics. At 17:09 you can see a panel in which he says "Leibling" - that's not a word. Liebling is.
Not to mention the constant "Mein Liebchen" nonsense. It's like they took all of his German from what they remember of some phrasebook from the 30s. Great, innit? :D
Ich gebe dir sowas von Recht! I totally agree with you! Nobody in Germany uses those words. "Fräulein" was only used by my father when I did something wrong -.-"
In 1989, "Fräulein" was definitely still used. It was how you adressed unmarried women, opposed to "Frau" (one can see why it doesn't get used anymore, though). Source: I'm old.
In fairness, spelling words with i and e in the middle always looks odd to English speakers. I always think twice even when writing common words like "weird" and "their." Not letting the writers off the hook - they should have done their research - but I can see how that would be missed in editing.
xmen evolution is still probably my favorite cartoon to this day. I saw reruns on netflix and the internet and couldn get enough of it. nightcrawler is still my favorite character
I would ask you to do a similair loose canon about Wolverine. in the light of the succes of Logan. But then I realised that would be two or three part video. I am not familiar with the comics, only the movies, but I can imagine that is a lot of content concerning Logan.
Well, there is a trope called "Wolverine Publicity". At one point he was a member of an X-Men team, running a black ops mutant squad, a member of the Avengers, having his own solo outings, and maybe having a cameo. Some of the panels appear to happen at the exact same time, from what I understand.
I thought Wagner was the name of the priest who took Kurt in when he was running from the circus, and that Kurt took the name Wagner to honor his friend after he died in the church fire set by the mob.
I once read a fanfic that tried to explain the scars. Essentially, since his dad is a demon, he can find him everytime he's tarnished by sin and the only way he can make that access go away is by going to confession. But that leaves him open, so they decide to do a Romani ritual where they kinda look into his future and he prematurely gets all his future life sins forgiven by way of getting them cut into his skin, making him immune to Azazel's sin tracking. I liked that.
i'm so fucking pleased that you also recognize that nightcrawler is ABSOLUTELY AND OBVIOUSLY THE BEST CHARACTER I USED TO GET MY ASS HANDED TO ME PLAYING THAT CLASSIC XMEN ARCADE GAME USING O N L Y NIGHTCRAWLER
I remember getting a book as a child with all the x-men as a child. Basically, it had a page with a little info on a few of them, al well as having a tube with little figurines attached. This was my first exposure to x-men and night crawler was always by far the coolest.
This is fantastic and I love how into it you are. Nightcrawler was always one of my faves growing up in the 80s. I was so upset that he got cut out of the XMen when they all "died" and came back, but, then an amazing fun book like Excalibur came out of it which was awesome. So hey it all worked out I guess.
I love the completely underrated and under-explored Ultimate Spider-Woman. She was a female clone of Peter who had his memories, thus she remembered being a boy which caused all sorts of interesting questions to come up and then be dropped without much exploration.
Oh, yeah, that's right. Didn't that family name get Anglicized in Waggoner for those who immigrated into English speaking countries and who either elected to/was forced to change it?
But commoners got enobled at times, even for commercial enterprises. Though I think that was less common in the Germanies than in spme other places, but I would not be sure it never happened.
As someone who is religious (Christian), I can say that I always loved that Kurt was religious, as well. He's probably the most well-known Christian superhero character in media (or at least he's well-known for actually being Christian, and doesn't just happen to do something religious in one comic or cartoon episode). It does bother me though that in X2, he cuts himself. Part of the Christian faith includes the idea that Jesus sacrificed Himself so we as mortals wouldn't have to suffer to be worthy of His love for us. Kurt cutting himself doesn't add up to that Christian belief. But yeah, Kurt's always been my favorite, and not necessarily because he's Christian. He's just a genuinely nice person who just wants to be loved and appreciated like anybody else.
I thought that was meant to be another nod to Singer’s emphasis on the series queer subtext. He’s born in a way that causes his community, specifically his Church, to see him as unholy and this prejudice is so engrained and internalized that he tortures and harms himself as a means of “becoming pure”.
I loved movie Nightcrawler. I really like the religious aspect of the character although making him a priest was a little much. That said, I actually thought the first X-men: Animated Series episode was interesting and actually tried to address more adult ideas for a 20-30 minute kids show, even if it wasn't done very well. I actually don't gate the idea of Wolverine having his own sort of God moment either. It's totally not beyond the bounds of the character when you think about it. Anyway, Nightcrawler is awesome and he is one of my favorite X-men. Easily top 5. The one thing I didn't know beforehand was that he was an existing character prior to his first X-men appearance.
Awesome videos. All this week i have been diggin them. This one is kind of an old necessity for me as an X-men fan who lost the path somewhere around. I first saw nightcrawler in an Arcade Game P. S. I love u 😅
holy shit completely forgot nightcrawler was in the last x men movie did he do anything that whole movie or have any dialog? the only scene i remember him in is them leaving the movies and that was only because the thriller jacket
He had a few lines and he teleported the gang from a crashing jet during the final battle but then he passed out and missed the rest of the fight. I liked him in it, but he was not used properly, I feel
Yeah they should have made him skip the mall thing and be at the mansion for the quicksilver scene, it would have been really cool to see quicksilver see just a crap ton of blue puffs helping out while he was clearing the mansion. Seeing the interaction of Teleportation Vs SuperSpeed in slow mo. Now that would have been awesome. Prolly could have saved havoc too
I had no idea how much I wanted this scene until just now. They would be amazing together. Imagine the first time Quicksilver realizes he has competition when he speeds to a place and Kurt is already there.
IKR? i almost hate my brain for thinking of it, so much wasted potential. I'm sure bryan singer and the people at fox are reading this comment chain though so fingers crossed we see it in future movies. Youre welcome Fox
the literal only thing I remember from X-2 was the extended metaphor of mutants as gay people and how the straights in washington are obsessed with trying to cure them
YAY! Nightcrawler has always been my favorite comic character since back in the early/mid 90s (when I was a teen). I'm happy you enjoy him too and I love this video on him!
I can tell you know Kurt well because you mention he's 'fuzzy'. Reading X-Men in the 80s (written by Chris Claremont. Penciled by John Byrne and inked by the brilliant Terry Austin), his cuteness became a thing with the women in the comics. I can't remember the exact issue his 'fuzzy' nature was mentioned, and it was a female character referring to his sexyness. So, yea, your comic book cred is solid!!! My only wonder is; hey when I was buying comics in the 80s they were 35 cents. Today, you are on about comics that are at least nearly $5 a pop! How you follow all that at that cost I don't know how you do it. I can't. I gave up years ago. My cave dwelling comics shop Over Lord hates how I just wander in and out without buying anything. He really does.
i was introduced to him in the last movie, the one you mentioned was coming out at the end, and,, he was absolutely my favorite, hands down what an adorable boy
Alan Cumming is so talented and just an all round charming dude. That's why he stuck the landing with Nightcrawler, even though the movie version is a departure from the comics. I honestly couldn't imagine another actor as suited to the role.
I LOVE NIGHTCRAWLER SO MUCH! Seriously, this guy was like my childhood hero. I’m embarrassed to say the Evolution version was my first intro to the character, but I was hooked after that, and when he showed up in X-2, I lost my mind!
The Amazing X-Men series Lindsay begins talking up at 18:34 was written by the talented and fantastic Jason Aaron, who also brought life back to Ghost Rider back in 2008, wrote the depressing but great Scalped and The Other Side series from DC/Vertigo, led the new Marvel Star Wars series and currently writes the new Avengers series. His is always good stuff.
Rule for Ultimate Universe: If it doesn't come from the Spider-Man books or is heavily involved in those books (so you could include Kitty, Johnny Storm, and Iceman), they're going to be dicks. Peter Parker's entourage is good though.
I love Nightcrawler, even with his religious side. He is definitely my favorite character in the franchise and I hope we see more of him in the future.
On one hand, it would be cool if he was the child of lesbians, on the other hand I can't not love a demon pirate. My head cannon i that, for demon reasons, Azazel was a woman when Mystique impregnated her.
Even as an atheist, I've always had a fascination with openly religious characters, particularly when their religion isn't their defining trait. Listening to someone talk about their beliefs in a personal, heartfelt way is just nice.
And yes, Alan Cumming is criminally underused.
netherworlde me too, especially because there is so much shame and guilt that some religions put on people. It's interesting to see how it affects their decisions.
netherworlde that's part of what makes characters like Nightcrawler and especially Daredevil so interesting. Other mainstream hero characters definitely have religious and spiritual beliefs, there's just not as much focus put on them. (Plus it simply doesn't make sense that the overwhelming majority would be ardent atheists). Spider-man especially is an interesting character in this regard. I really liked how JMS used Peter praying in his run as a really interesting window into Peter's character.
Tyler Worsham But in the comics Nightcrawler's a happy, bad-ass, comic relief. Also, he was never depressed enough to make him cut himself all over his body, scarring his life for each sin he's done. He is religious enough to beat the hell out of anyone who acts sinful and unholy, doing it as a mission for God though.
@@Tyler_W Daredevils catholicism is often utilised extremely well... it's not in your face, there's not any moral message to the sinners who watch it or anything. And he mostly suffers because of it. And the guilt bit is made fun of. Fantastic 😉
netherworlde it’s bad whenever they pick something like sex/ gender or sexuality or anything as a defining trait. I really do think we can all respect each other’s beliefs and opinions and get along.
I appreciate that you realize the superior quality of X-MEN Evolution
Fancy seeing you here, saying something I will always agree with forever. :3
Would love to see you talk about this show!
I appreciate that she refuses to acknowledge the existence of X-3
@@coneil72 what the fuck is X-3?
Best thing made from X-Men that's not comics. Maybe even including comics.
I always liked Nightcrawler's religiosity in the comics; his character is so based around his desire for acceptance, that his faith in someone who would love him unconditionally made a lot of sense to who he was as a character. I'd never considered, though, the angle you brought up as a way for him to distance himself from his "demonic" image.
iwillworkharder I'd say he's more like a demon created by God (instead of the Devil) who was given the mission to beat the hell out of anyone who acts sinful and unholy.
Yeah it's a pity that they ruined it with that silly conspiracy. His faith made sense and Kurt as a pastor and community leader would have been interesting given the visibility of his mutation.
He was also used as the X-Men's moral compass. Would also sort of council some members a lttle with moral decisions.
The Catholic church would never have accepted him as a priest, full stop. You have to get butts in the pews and money in the collection plates, and that was one of the dumbest effing plotlines Chris Claremont ever cooked up. A Protestant church might have given Kurt a chance, but the Catholics? No way.
@@cuyhater I was a devout Catholic for many years and I am quite sure they would. X-Men mutations are naturally occurring and therefore would be considered to be God's will. Sure some parishioners would complain which is why it would be an interesting story.
"Becoming a priest is kind of like becoming a doctor… whatever, he's blue."
This kind of intelligent, unexpected humor is what keeps me watching.
@A B I think of it like, people would maybe have a problem with someone being blue, but they just kinda don't.
Andrew Heilborn I took it as “arguing the believability of a thing done by a blue dude is just going down a rabbit hole we don’t need right now”
"She sees his true self and thinks, 'Hooottt.'" I mean, didn't we all?
Furry
@@daspletoraptor8366 prude
Yup
YEP !
My 8 year old self feels called out
WOLVERINE: "I didn't know you were religious."
KURT: "Yep."
WOLVERINE (confused): "Didn't we bang once?"
KURT: "Yep."
WOLVERINE: ...
KURT: ...
WOLVERINE: "Okay."
KURT: "Yep."
Where in the comics is that cannon wise?
What?
Omg, that comic book cover...and the tail....
Around minute 5:30 they show the page. It's in one of the Nightcrawler mini-series
Kurt: "Most priests prefer young boys...I personally prefer a man with hair on his chest."
sorry not sorry.
I always thought his skin would feel like velvet.
Yeahh exactly. Extremely short, but not actually fur. A suede.
This knowledge makes me feel things I did not anticipate feeling
How'd we get here people..🤔
So not like skin but rather silky fuzz? I love it.
@@dissonanceofcircles5451 Well the original creators made him a blue furry demon. "How furry?" is an inevitable question.
Seeing Lindsay (in her 30's apparently) talking about Nightcrawler in the nervous, giddy, helplessly joyful way a teenage girl might talk about her new crush... it's probably the sweetest thing I've seen in a while. I'm going to find myself smiling every time I see Nightcrawler now.
Yes! Exactly!! It's hard not to totally fall in love and forget what she even talks about... :D
I know this comment is a year old but this video was out first in 2005ish or before. He was in his mid-early-late twenties at this points.
I know because i was still in college first time i saw this, i think, and he's just a few years older than me
Her and Nella give me pure joy when they're like that.
6:47 I'm still laughing because Nightcrawler calls Kitty "Leibchen" (shirt) instead of "Liebchen" (sweetheart).
Elanor Niennandilme
*reads that twice*
*reads it a third time*
W-what?
Elanor Niennandilme WAIT NEVERMIND
Elanor Niennandilme people
WHY ARE THEY SO SIMILAR? That's just begging to be confused.
I don't know. But can you make sense of this: "He read that the lead will lead to what he will read"
Now we know why Cyclops was always the leader. He's the only adult who didn't perv on underage Kitty Pryde.
Or he's just the one who didn't get caught.
Morgan LaVigne But she loved Colossus
@@carlosalmonacid8958 That doesn't make it ok.
dw they aged her up now
lindsay seems so giddy talking about nightcrawler its infectious.
Nightcrawler has always been a very important character to me as a trans woman (and I've seen disabled people express similar sentiments) because he knows he can never "pass" as "normal". It would be really easy for him to brood and get depressed about that - and, I think, this is probably something he's struggled with - but instead he chooses to be happy and to be himself, rather than pretend to be some he's not to make others more comfortable. "It's better to be a whole me than a normal me", as he said.
Yes I love that too (I'm trans and disabled)
Yeah, but who would want to be "normal" when you can stick to walls and teleport at will, Nightcrawler wishes he was normal, normal people wish they were special like Nightcrawler, it doesn't matter who you are or what you can do if you're unhappy being you changing who you are won't fix anything you will just be creating someone else who is unhappy because you just ran away from your problems, happiness comes from within .
sexygothgorrilla the circus called,they’re looking for their clown.
@ "skull shape" Why are bigots always so interested in phrenology? Also, I don't care what your aunt posted on facebook, the fact of the matter is that the majority of psychological science agrees with trans people. Now crawl into the dustbin of history where you belong.
@ Yeah, we DON'T treat anorexics the same as trans people because... and try to keep up with me here... anorexia and being transgender are two different things. Transition has been shown, time and time again, to have a positive effect on trans people, while allowing an anorexic person to starve themselves does not.
Y'all really need to get a different "gotcha" line, by the way. You've been using the "anorexia" line for at least a decade that I personally know of, probably longer, and it just. Doesn't. Work. Gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia might look similar to the layman, but they are fundamentally different issues with different treatments. And because scientists, you know, actually study things and make conclusions based off of facts, not their gut feeling that something is icky, they treat them differently because they *are* different. You would know this if you looked into it at all, but you're not going to because your head is so far up your ass it's coming back out of your mouth.
Nightcrawler remains one of the only characters I've encountered with visible self-harm scars. Meant a lot to me as a teenager.
The thing that bothers me is that he wasn't Catholic when he was a teen and the cuts were for each sin he's done. And don't get me started on all his other plot holes.
"nightcrawwwwwwling in my skiiiinnnn" has become a joke with me and my friend bc of this video
*aaand Wolveiiirine can he-ahhhh-AHH-allll*
Night crawler was the only thing that got me through 8th grade.religious ed. I love my blue teleporting bisexual Catholic son
Yes! Its my boy! I've loved Nightcrawler ever since my first X-Men comic my Mum got me when I was 4. Something about him is just so badass and charming while also being the nicest guy in the world. His character has been given more depth than almost every Marvel character ever. EDIT: And also he mayyyy have been the thing to make me realise that I'm gay. Idk, man. Dude's hot.
That's pretty gay m8, thumbs up.
Yay! I'm not the only one who loves Alan Cummings' version of Kurt! Personally, he's my favorite Nightcrawler. ❤️
Who hates on Alan Cummings Nightcrawler. I thought everyone loved him and wanted him to come back to the role.
(Sorry, english its not my first languaje)
Even if they bring Nightcrawler back, I dont think Alan Cummings will play the role because in an interview after the release of X-Men 2 he complained about the painting and the whole make-up, saying it could be quite stressful.
However, I think he nailed it as Nightcrawler.
I knew the Kurt/Wolverine ship existed but I never knew it was technically canon, hey internet what gives
34 likes. As in Rule 34.
I mean the art is canon. ...It literally is visible canon in the book, ergo, it happened. Just because an artist is putting the detail in and not literally the writer or editor choosing it does not change the canon.
@@JacksonJinn Yep - so if an editor or writer doesn't like something, they need to actually check the art - lest it be canon. If you say one picture in a book isn't canon, then the entire book becomes suspect. Easier to just accept the image.
@@JacksonJinn "the art is canon"
But the artist didn't write the story. If the story says they were lovers ok. But nothing anywhere else says or implies they were. Therefore it isn't canon.
If it's in the story it's canon. It's in the story, even if shown in art. Same as it is in TV, movies, et cetra.
I quite liked Kodi Smit-McPhee as lil’ Nightcrawler in ‘Apocalypse’. He was absolutely adorable (as Nightcrawler should be), and no, he wasn’t as good as Alan Cumming, but Christ, who is? After watching ‘Apocalypse’, I got the impression that the scars weren’t self-inflicted, but done to him by someone else (possibly at the circus), possibly to make him look more otherworldly or demonic.
Yeah, that's my leading fan theory at this point. Doesn't make sense for him to scar himself for his sins, it fits with the demonic-fear narrative, and explains how they're so precise and well-drawn (seriously, drawing on yourself is hard).
Or to contain the demonic spirit...
DrTssha that’s the impression I always had, especially when it’s all down his back. Didn’t think about them being self-inflicted before this
And then Dark Phoenix came out and destroyed everything...
I completely agree
"Whatever. He's blue."
...daboo-dee, daboo-dai o/~
6:08 Ok but like the way Magneto picks up his cape and starts walking so sassily made my day
Sometimes i think wolverine and the xmen was a fever dream i had, but then every once in a while someone will briefly mention it and suddenly memories come flooding back, though that's okay because i actually really liked that show when i was a kid and was sad it got cancelled
dude 'fever dream' is the best way to describe that show- especially given all the big plot things that just never got resolved and the episodes I never saw. I wish there was a way I could watch it fully through so I could know what the hecky was happening
It’s the only exposure I’ve had to x-men so I think x-men in general is like a fever dream to me. But even from that Nightcrawler was my fave.
xmen evolution was awesome. totally had a crush on Nightcrawler then
He was my first cartoon crush as a kid too!! I loved that show, when ever i see him in that version now always smile
That was my intro to X-Men. I still like it.
Same!! He was the sweetest
Me too
Same
Kurt has always been my favourite and X-Men Evolution is so underrated, it did a great job introducing a new younger demographic to the X-Men (because the first two movies are awesome but they didn't do much for the really young kids) and had great character development and arcs (and the first season is so early 2000 and adults trying to make hip teenage characters it's just funny and cringy in the best way)
Evolution Kurt is so funny.
X-Men Evolution was MY SHIT in middle school. It was the entire reason I got so into the X-Men universe and grew into the obsessive fan I am today
Such a good show. It got cancelled just as it was starting to get epic (just like every single genre show in the 2000s)
I've always heard it pronounced "Ah-zay-zil" so I went and looked up the actual pronunciation and am astounded that she's the only person I've ever heard to pronounce it technically correct. Lindsay - 1, A Billion Seasons of Supernatural - 0.
Michael Pressey azezel is in the xmen too and they say it that way, if I remember correctly. First class
It's been a hot minute since I've seen it so you're probably correct.
Both are correct technically its kind of complicated but for the sake of Xmen it's Ah-Zay-Zul
I've always heard it as "ah-zah-zil"
"cutting is cool when it's for Jesus"
I screamed. So good.
I never got this in the movie.Yuck.
Love Nightcrawler all the time though.
@@ibear2554 its scarification, which is just a body modification thing like tattoos, its not cutting/self harm.
Kurt is the cutest
He's fuzzy?! Crap! Now I want to hug him...
Ah, Wolverine. Forever adopting daughters.
@ Robert Wallis Kitty Pryde and Jubilee were the best two. With X-23, you could kind of say he was adopting his real daughter ( being that she's a clone and all ).
Ironic that his only real offspring is a boy.
Also, everyone forgets Armour. Asian girl with the ability to create a psionic suit of armour around herself. Kind of like a mental Iron Man.
HunterHerne I don’t forget her. She’s the best
HunterHerne more people forget Amiko
The thing about Azazel that’s the most disappointing is that he COULD have worked.
Not as a demon, but as a normal human mutant with the same mutant abilities as Kurt.
The idea that Nightcrawler’s father not only had the same powers as he did, but the same alienating appearance as well has potential.
Kurt is kind of ashamed of the way he looks, and tries to charm people to cope. Meanwhile Azazel leaned HARD into his demonic appearance, and acted in keeping to the monster he was made out to be.
But no, instead they imply that Azazel is a LITERAL demon, completely invalidating Kurt’s goal of proving to people that looking monstrous is not the same as being monstrous. He literally IS a demon.
Agree 100%
But you didn't mention Bamfs! The tiny blue duplicates of Kurt that were originally part of a fanfic story Kitty was writing (there is also a Wolverine analog that was Logan as played by the Tasmanian Devil called Mean. It was odd, but fun) but turned out to be real...
He's easily on of my top five X Men. He's the humor and moral conscience of the group, particularly in regards to Wolverine, his best friend.
"Nobody at Marvel noticed"???
haha What?!
What were they supposed to be noticing?
I too, have no idea what is going on.
BinarySecond & Damocles
Nightcrawler is naked. Wolverine is staring at his dick(s). The beer bottle Wolverine is holding = an erection.
(Yes, this was all intentional)
I’m still wondering is that an actual real comic panel or fanart
@@remixdragon6156 It was the actual cover of a comic book. Yeah.
I actually loved him in X-Men apocalypse. It was really neat how they actually showed his teleportation from his perspective. It came out of nowhere and kind of blew my mind
Taking about comics: You have my curiosity.
Talking about Nightcrawler: You had my curiosity but now you have my attention.
PS. Any fans of XMen Evolution?
Yes watched X men evolution over quarantine
What I find funny is that Cockrum originally created Nightcrawler for the Legion of Superheroes comics published by DC, but the design was rejected because it was too goofy looking (apparently more goofy looking than an orange bald guy with pointy ears and antanea).
I was talking more about designs than powers (I'm a fan of the Legion).
his name is Cock-rum? Ha-hah!
I guess he didn't want orange guy to be out-weirded...
So what you are saying is that Nightcrawler is a gay, blue, demon, priest? Interesting.
Oh! And also Romanian.
*bi and blue man
Alex Rudinski The joke is everyone in Romania is a gypsy (obviously an exaggeration; Bulgaria has more Romani per capital than any other country in the world).
OH! That explains why Nightcrawler's gay talk with Anole went so well!
I can relate to 4/5 out of these
Also had a baby with the scarlet witch. Known as nocturne. Talia Josephine wagner
''Are there Ultimate versions of characters that people actually like besides Miles?'' Personally, I really dug most of the Ultimate Spiderman supporting characters even before Miles was invented. Particularly Ultimate Aunt May and Gwen Stacy.
@ TheAdorkableRJ I enjoyed the Ultimate Spider Man run.. pre Miles. When they " killed " Ultimate Peter, they killed the Ultimate Universe for me.
TheAdorkableRJ yeah the Spider-man books were basically the only series that had likable versions of any of those characters...
@Krom the Assassin Thank you. I agree.
Nightcrawler seems to really capture the essence of “we love this character even if the writers don’t.”
Seeing Logan hugging and dropping showing his soft side with Kurt shows just how likeable Kurt really is.
Nightcrawler was my favorite part of X2. Hands down.
I love Kurt so much! I think my first exposure to him was in X-Men Evolution and I had the biggest crush on him because he was so cute and sweet XD
I love how the character is supposed to be German but they couldn't even spell the random German words he uses in his sentences correctly in the comics. At 17:09 you can see a panel in which he says "Leibling" - that's not a word. Liebling is.
Not to mention the constant "Mein Liebchen" nonsense. It's like they took all of his German from what they remember of some phrasebook from the 30s. Great, innit? :D
I'm such a sucker for a good German accent. But they ALWAYS overdo it. "Fräulein"- What is this, Indiana Jones?
Ich gebe dir sowas von Recht!
I totally agree with you!
Nobody in Germany uses those words. "Fräulein" was only used by my father when I did something wrong -.-"
In 1989, "Fräulein" was definitely still used. It was how you adressed unmarried women, opposed to "Frau" (one can see why it doesn't get used anymore, though). Source: I'm old.
In fairness, spelling words with i and e in the middle always looks odd to English speakers. I always think twice even when writing common words like "weird" and "their." Not letting the writers off the hook - they should have done their research - but I can see how that would be missed in editing.
Thought 1: YAY NEW LOOSE CANON!
Thought 2: Oh hey, Nightcrawler, awesome!,
Thought 3: Wait a minute...
xmen evolution is still probably my favorite cartoon to this day. I saw reruns on netflix and the internet and couldn get enough of it. nightcrawler is still my favorite character
i already know all of nightcrawler's canon but WHO CARES cos it never gets old and i love loose canon
I would ask you to do a similair loose canon about Wolverine. in the light of the succes of Logan. But then I realised that would be two or three part video. I am not familiar with the comics, only the movies, but I can imagine that is a lot of content concerning Logan.
Well, there is a trope called "Wolverine Publicity". At one point he was a member of an X-Men team, running a black ops mutant squad, a member of the Avengers, having his own solo outings, and maybe having a cameo. Some of the panels appear to happen at the exact same time, from what I understand.
I thought Wagner was the name of the priest who took Kurt in when he was running from the circus, and that Kurt took the name Wagner to honor his friend after he died in the church fire set by the mob.
The Destiny-Mystique thing will always be canon to me. It just works better with the themes of Claremont’s X-Men.
Heeeeeeeeeck yeah
I once read a fanfic that tried to explain the scars. Essentially, since his dad is a demon, he can find him everytime he's tarnished by sin and the only way he can make that access go away is by going to confession. But that leaves him open, so they decide to do a Romani ritual where they kinda look into his future and he prematurely gets all his future life sins forgiven by way of getting them cut into his skin, making him immune to Azazel's sin tracking.
I liked that.
i'm so fucking pleased that you also recognize that nightcrawler is ABSOLUTELY AND OBVIOUSLY THE BEST CHARACTER
I USED TO GET MY ASS HANDED TO ME PLAYING THAT CLASSIC XMEN ARCADE GAME USING
O N L Y
NIGHTCRAWLER
I remember getting a book as a child with all the x-men as a child. Basically, it had a page with a little info on a few of them, al well as having a tube with little figurines attached. This was my first exposure to x-men and night crawler was always by far the coolest.
Xmen Evolution is the only cartoon i watched but i really like that Kurt, such adorable
Is it weird that I like Nightcrawler? Wolverine and Gambit are my #1 fav for obvious reasons, Nightcrawler and Arch Angel are my second fav.
Kurt's tail placement in some of the animations is hilarious.
Knowing that they at long last did Kurt right in X-Men 97 made me so happy.
This is fantastic and I love how into it you are. Nightcrawler was always one of my faves growing up in the 80s. I was so upset that he got cut out of the XMen when they all "died" and came back, but, then an amazing fun book like Excalibur came out of it which was awesome. So hey it all worked out I guess.
Aw yeah glad this has been reuploaded, Nightcrawler is definitely the best X-Man.
And One of the Best Comic Book characters of all time.
No one:
90s animated series Kurt: GOD LOVES ME
"Are there Ultimate versions of characters that people actually like besides Miles?"
Of course: Nick Fury!
I love the completely underrated and under-explored Ultimate Spider-Woman. She was a female clone of Peter who had his memories, thus she remembered being a boy which caused all sorts of interesting questions to come up and then be dropped without much exploration.
I hope she makes a return at some point in a crossover event.
"Baron von Wagner", seriously? "Wagner" is a commoner's name. The name refers to someone who makes wheels.
Oh, yeah, that's right. Didn't that family name get Anglicized in Waggoner for those who immigrated into English speaking countries and who either elected to/was forced to change it?
Dude was really, really good at making wheels. In fact, it was his mutant super power.
Yeah what the hell! Its not like you can build a successful business around a service you provide and monopolise that said service, jeeze Marvel.
I enjoy a good language lesson. Thanks!
But commoners got enobled at times, even for commercial enterprises. Though I think that was less common in the Germanies than in spme other places, but I would not be sure it never happened.
As someone who is religious (Christian), I can say that I always loved that Kurt was religious, as well. He's probably the most well-known Christian superhero character in media (or at least he's well-known for actually being Christian, and doesn't just happen to do something religious in one comic or cartoon episode). It does bother me though that in X2, he cuts himself. Part of the Christian faith includes the idea that Jesus sacrificed Himself so we as mortals wouldn't have to suffer to be worthy of His love for us. Kurt cutting himself doesn't add up to that Christian belief.
But yeah, Kurt's always been my favorite, and not necessarily because he's Christian. He's just a genuinely nice person who just wants to be loved and appreciated like anybody else.
I thought that was meant to be another nod to Singer’s emphasis on the series queer subtext. He’s born in a way that causes his community, specifically his Church, to see him as unholy and this prejudice is so engrained and internalized that he tortures and harms himself as a means of “becoming pure”.
Maybe I'm wrong, but Daredevil has always been THE Christian superhero for me
Tommaso Friz That’s fair. I like Daredevil too :)
its not cutting, its scarification. scarification is just a form of body modification like tattoos and piercings are.
Thank you for referencing the delightful queerness of Wolverine/Nightcrawler!
Coming from the future I can say that he was really good in X-Men Apocalypse and in fact was one of the things that helped save the movie for me.
Nightcrawler has been my favorite x man since i was a little kid. Too bad he's never been done justice on the big screen...
Thank you! Finally, somebody who understands my problem with the movie version!
I loved movie Nightcrawler. I really like the religious aspect of the character although making him a priest was a little much. That said, I actually thought the first X-men: Animated Series episode was interesting and actually tried to address more adult ideas for a 20-30 minute kids show, even if it wasn't done very well. I actually don't gate the idea of Wolverine having his own sort of God moment either. It's totally not beyond the bounds of the character when you think about it. Anyway, Nightcrawler is awesome and he is one of my favorite X-men. Easily top 5. The one thing I didn't know beforehand was that he was an existing character prior to his first X-men appearance.
Thank you Lindsay for doing a loose canon video on Nightcrawler ! He's my favorite X-men !
I was looking for this the other day, but it wasn't on RUclips. Anyway, glad it's back.
Awesome videos. All this week i have been diggin them. This one is kind of an old necessity for me as an X-men fan who lost the path somewhere around. I first saw nightcrawler in an Arcade Game P. S. I love u 😅
holy shit completely forgot nightcrawler was in the last x men movie
did he do anything that whole movie or have any dialog? the only scene i remember him in is them leaving the movies and that was only because the thriller jacket
He had a few lines and he teleported the gang from a crashing jet during the final battle but then he passed out and missed the rest of the fight. I liked him in it, but he was not used properly, I feel
Yeah they should have made him skip the mall thing and be at the mansion for the quicksilver scene, it would have been really cool to see quicksilver see just a crap ton of blue puffs helping out while he was clearing the mansion. Seeing the interaction of Teleportation Vs SuperSpeed in slow mo. Now that would have been awesome. Prolly could have saved havoc too
I had no idea how much I wanted this scene until just now. They would be amazing together. Imagine the first time Quicksilver realizes he has competition when he speeds to a place and Kurt is already there.
IKR? i almost hate my brain for thinking of it, so much wasted potential. I'm sure bryan singer and the people at fox are reading this comment chain though so fingers crossed we see it in future movies. Youre welcome Fox
the literal only thing I remember from X-2 was the extended metaphor of mutants as gay people and how the straights in washington are obsessed with trying to cure them
YAY! Nightcrawler has always been my favorite comic character since back in the early/mid 90s (when I was a teen). I'm happy you enjoy him too and I love this video on him!
I can tell you know Kurt well because you mention he's 'fuzzy'. Reading X-Men in the 80s (written by Chris Claremont. Penciled by John Byrne and inked by the brilliant Terry Austin), his cuteness became a thing with the women in the comics. I can't remember the exact issue his 'fuzzy' nature was mentioned, and it was a female character referring to his sexyness. So, yea, your comic book cred is solid!!!
My only wonder is; hey when I was buying comics in the 80s they were 35 cents. Today, you are on about comics that are at least nearly $5 a pop! How you follow all that at that cost I don't know how you do it. I can't. I gave up years ago. My cave dwelling comics shop Over Lord hates how I just wander in and out without buying anything. He really does.
A 20 minute video of my blue boi?!?
How have I not watched this before now?
he's been my favorite since my uncle gave me Excalibur comics when i was a little kid!
kurt was one of my fav characters in x-men evolution! such a good cartoon
Kurt is my FAVORITE X-Men ever!!! I love him so much he is just the best ever. Hois back story is so sad and yet happy.
i was introduced to him in the last movie, the one you mentioned was coming out at the end, and,,
he was absolutely my favorite, hands down
what an adorable boy
“He’s very preachy in this version”
Him: answers a religious question with a religious answer
Alan Cumming is so talented and just an all round charming dude. That's why he stuck the landing with Nightcrawler, even though the movie version is a departure from the comics. I honestly couldn't imagine another actor as suited to the role.
I wonder if Kurt's swashbuckling parallels to Aramis from The Three Musketeers had any influence towards his priesthood story arc.
I LOVE NIGHTCRAWLER SO MUCH! Seriously, this guy was like my childhood hero. I’m embarrassed to say the Evolution version was my first intro to the character, but I was hooked after that, and when he showed up in X-2, I lost my mind!
0:45, you leave Linkin Park out of this
Honestly, I'm just glad for the small mention of Jubilee as Wolverine's sidekick. She's my favorite
I just came across your video and you got an instant subscriber because I too say Nightcrawler is the best X-Men character I mean THE BEST
Also my favourite X-Man - particularly loved the Excalibur run.
Kurt for pope
Loving someone a lot when they're around and not missing them when they're away is the best possible situation you could have
I'm an atheist that loves Kurt Wagner...help! lol he really is my favorite x-men, my first comic had him on the cover)
The Amazing X-Men series Lindsay begins talking up at 18:34 was written by the talented and fantastic Jason Aaron, who also brought life back to Ghost Rider back in 2008, wrote the depressing but great Scalped and The Other Side series from DC/Vertigo, led the new Marvel Star Wars series and currently writes the new Avengers series. His is always good stuff.
Yes! A Jen and the holograms reference!! 🎵Truly truly outrageous!🎶
Who is Jen? Her names are Jerrica and Jem.
I literally loved the Excalibur comics, they were fantastic. Wolverine and the X-men feels like it’s going loosely off of the Astonishing X-men comics
Wolverine and the X-men has my favorite depiction. If only we got more of him in that series...
Liam O'Brien's voice for Kurt was a perfect fit for the character.
I'm so glad that he returned to the role in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3.
NIGHTCRAWLER IS BEST
Thanks for explaining why he became a priest, I kinda stopped keeping up with the comics
Kurt/Nightcrawler from X-Men Evolution was my favourite character, had a big crush on him.
Nightcrawler has been my favorite marvel character in general since forever, before X2. For just about no reason . . . I love him.
Rule for Ultimate Universe: If it doesn't come from the Spider-Man books or is heavily involved in those books (so you could include Kitty, Johnny Storm, and Iceman), they're going to be dicks. Peter Parker's entourage is good though.
I love Nightcrawler, even with his religious side. He is definitely my favorite character in the franchise and I hope we see more of him in the future.
On one hand, it would be cool if he was the child of lesbians, on the other hand I can't not love a demon pirate. My head cannon i that, for demon reasons, Azazel was a woman when Mystique impregnated her.
It wouldn’t make much sense cuz how would mystique have semen and the stuff to create a baby? She only changes her image.
Man you get a like just for making this video about my favorite character in comics. 1. Nightcrawler, 2. Colossus, 3. Forge...(practicle reasons lol)