ellis, you look great mate. i'm sure you go through these comments and have to read a lot of vile shite about your skin but you're the one willing to put yourself out there and film videos for thousands of people to watch. chin up, we fucking love you
Aye too right, we all love what you do and how you go about it, fuck anyone that speaks ill of someone having a medical situation whilst looking ace at the same time
One thing I respect the hell out of English sporting culture for was the near-universal revulsion to AFC Wimbledon getting moved and turned into MK Dons, and how years later it's still spoken of as this historic atrocity. Here in the States that sort of franchising is a very commonplace practice in nearly all major sports and greedy team owners constantly use the threat of relocation to gouge local communities for tax money to build unnecessary new stadiums every 20 years or so. We desperately need that aspect of club permanence and the taboo against relocation that you have in English football over here.
English football is the european league system people care the least about relocation, investors etc. I get your point but maybe praising "european football culture" would be way more accurate than ENGLISH football culture. You should read up why very single austrian and german fan base hates the RB clubs for example
It was Wimbledon FC that were forced to move to MK not AFC Wimbledon. AFC Wimbledon were formed by a group of fans who rejected the idea of the move and didn't want to lose their local football team. They held trials at a local park, started at the bottom of English football and rose through 9 levels of leagues to where they are now. They even raised the money to build a new stadium next to where the old stadium used to stand (which is now a housing development). A truly remarkable story and one which I am proud to be a follower of. COYD!!!⚽⚽🔵🟡🔵🟡🟡
Charles Koppel asset stripped the club till there was nothing left. No one abandoned it as there was nothing left to abandon. Winkelman said premier leaue in 5 years and it never happen. I personally don't hate them but they should drop the dons and be called city or something
He’s the British version of John Fisher with the Oakland A’s, Koppel is Not just for how he so committed to selling the team to move to MK, but how he mass-sold players in the middle of seasons to kill promotion hopes
I am a Fulham fan and personally I hate everything about MK fc. Wimbledon fans didn’t abandon their club their club abandoned them. Only after Wimbledon agreed to move and the FA ratified it did the Wimbledon fans set up afc Wimbledon. This is just part of the propaganda that the MK fans have been fed. They had a football team that was non league that Winkleman could have invested in but he chose to steal one for a stadium to hold his concerts instead. A hundred years of history torn up for one man’s greed. Twenty years on and it still aggravates me how this was allowed to happen
I mean from looking at and reading the history it sounds like the fans did slowly abandon them. I mean when they couldn’t build a new stadium that had to use a different one and attendance started falling and the owner couldn’t pay for it anymore so he sold it which lead to the new owner buying it and moving it
How is that the fault of the Milton Keynes population? Be careful that you don't conflate your resentment to how the Dons formation came about to a resentment against the inhabitants of the town.
Any MK fan 25 and under kind of gets a pass from me. That team was there when they were growing up. The older fans, particularly 40+ year olds should've got behind the local non-league side if they wanted a league team. They have no excuse for supporting them
@@stevenrose86 Milton Keynes is a new city that was established only int the 60’s. Football is live entertainment, don’t forget. If people enjoy it, fine. If you wanna hate them, also fine.
@@Dude0000 I don’t know what your point is. Burton Albion were only established in 1950. They had over 50 years of non league football before earning their current place in the league. MK City were a non league team that ended up folding once Greasy Pete had stolen Wimbledon. The city had a team. They didn’t support them. They stole someone else’s league team and then decided to support their local.
I had acne and it’s shit, fair play to you for just rocking it on video and making amazing content. Skin will clear up eventually pal…and you’ll still be a famous youtuber with a dream job, and any arsehole that leaves negative comments about your skin will still be a sad internet troll! great content as always
Man's here talking about how MK saved jobs of the then current staff.....did you though? When many of them were likely hospitality workers on little more than minimum wage, given the choice between 'travel 60 miles further to work, or tara'? The theft of the Dons name was also rotten to the core. Will always be a franchise club until they at least axe that part.
The reason why MK Dons don't claim the FA cup win or anything else related to Wimbledon FC is because a few years back an agreement was reached between AFC Wimbledon and MKD for MKD to hand all Wimbledon honours back to AFC and recognise AFC as the true legacy of Wimbledon FC.
You can’t claim a 1988 cup win if you’re formed in 2002,the MK Dons are the 1988 winners as it’s basically the same club with a new name and location,the old Wimbledon didn’t leave the football league and reform as Milton Keynes,the name changed in the close season,I’m no fan of the MK Dons but I don’t think you can re-write history
@@sr7791 MK Dons were formed in 1889 as Wimbledon FC. They moved location and changed name, as Arsenal did. Wimbledon FC moved to Milton Keynes starting the season 2003-4 in MK as Wimbledon. Half way thru the season they changed their name and kit colour. MK Dons hold the 1889 registration. They have to otherwise they would be out of the league. MK Dons won the FA Cup in 1988. Wimbledon FC have not been dissolved.
Luton fan, and we never refer to the "Dons" - just MK. The real Dons are AFC Wimbledon. Always will be. MK fans, the new generation had nothing to do with the move, so feel for them, but the club as a whole is definitely hated.
Is it that deep though? Do you still hate Germany because of Hitler? No you just hate Hitler. Leave it in the past and move on. Some people will never accept change. Get with the times or be left behind is what I say
Don't care how Luton fans refer to other clubs ..Luton is an absolute shithole but props to anyone giving it large about going there..I wouldn't wish it on anyone tbh
Northampton town fan here, always viewed MK weirdly. Hate the club, pity the fans. I hate how they were formed and basically destroyed a great football club but feel bad for the fans as they just want to support their local team and it’s not their fault their club was born into existence in such a horrible way.
@@goneriding1853 I don’t really hate MK but the scum (borough) on the other hand absolutely despise them. I’m not sure if I’d want a stadium like MK’s don’t get me wrong it’s a nice stadium but we’d end with the same problems as they have ie we wouldn’t fill it and the atmosphere wouldn’t be great.
No word of a lie, I walked into a Nisa earlier on and they've had a bit of a makeover and I thought to myself "this is quality" and here I am watching Ben admire Asda. This is quality!
Okay, okay i am an MK Fan and I knew exactly who your video was about before I pressed it 😂 I dont feel bad for who i support never will. But i understand the hate and our owner is a bell anyway 😂 love our 38 year old record breaking LB (who players CB because hes to old) Great video mate thanks for not being like everyone else and trying to be respectful 🙏
The guy in the hat talking about ‘saving a dying club’ and ‘their community didn’t want them’. If the community didn’t want them, why are AFC thriving so much in that community? Let’s also not forget that Winkleman had tried to move QPR before making a move on Wimbledon. It had always been in his interest to move an already established club, rather than starting from the ground up…
As one one that has been ridiculed in some shape or form my entire life. You can let it destroy you or you can rise up & meet the challenge head on find away of making itvless hurtful my way was to turn the situation in to joke so I was in control not the person or persons that where giving me a hard time in the first place. I am extremely skinny because I have Homocystinuria I was born with it pepole used to say to me when I was a kid at Primary School you look like Skeletor. I would say well you had better run for it then because he is evil & if he is evil just Imagine what I might do to you. My Dad would always put me down because I liked American football would tell me it was a stupid game & that he did not understand it I would say to him that's because your to stupid to understand it your stuck in the past. That way I was in control of the situation not my Dad. So if for example someone call's you Pizza face then say I will never go hungry then unlike you. It's all about taking control of any given situation.
Hey Ellis, I also suffered form pretty severe acne in my early 20s. Didn't matter how often I washed my face, used expensive acne treatments, or changed my diet. It is a hormonol imbalance that for some can only be curred through medication. I went to a dermotologist (United States) and he prescribed accutane (General term used for the medication). Usually prescribed for a 6 month cycle but can go to a year or longer if needed. It does have some side effects and you have to do blood work every month or two to monitor liver function as it is a pretty potent drug. I had pretty mild side effects, but I would recommend to do some research and see if it is right for you. It was certainly worth if for me, perhaps it could help you as well. If others could like this comment so Ellis will see it, I would appreciate it.
We have much stricter rules in The U.K in terms of licensing drugs. And buy the sound of what you are saying that drug would not make it on to The U.K. market as it would not meet our extremely strict regulations.
I'm from the UK and about 15 years ago I was given a drug called Roaccutane. Exactly the same warnings and feedback you described. But it worked amazingly well for me also
There are quite a few drugs available on prescription here in the UK, going up to some pretty strong treatments with consequently pretty severe potential for side effects. A GP will always take skin conditions seriously and prescribe accordingly. @@alanfox691
I wouldn’t normally comment, but Ellis mentioned it. I had similar cystic acne until my early 20s. Accutane was the only thing that solved the issue for me. A total life saver. Generic is itotretinoin and looks like it’s available through NHS in UK.
As someone who has been self-conscious about a skin condition for a long time... I hope you don't let people get you too down. Love your videos Ellis. ❤
*8:48* "Ripped the club out the heart of the community who didn't really want it" aye ok pal you believe that. Look at our attendance and what Dons Local action group do in the community since returning to Wimbledon.
american wombly here. Wimbledon afc will always be THE club. there are alot of international fans in the Americas because we loved seeing this club rise out of the ashes and spit in the face of the greedy bastards. i have yet to find any MK Don supporters in United States. MK Don's only contribution to English football is a HITC video
Ellis, regarding the face its something that GPs don't like giving but when i was in my early 20's i had acne right from being 12-13 and got prescribed roacutane, its absolutely brutal and you need to go for a lot of check-ups but since using it for about a year its never come back, worth asking your GP about if its something that bothers you but also remember its not the end of the world that you have it and a lot of people on the internet still believe the earth is flat so the opinions of the internet shouldn't really be listened to
@@maxharwood4696 Yeah a lot of people will have it without issue, it can cause some pretty nasty side effects i was lucky to get off with just the severe dry lips and headaches, carmex gets you through the dry lips though if anyone happens to be reading this who needs it haha!
I took this drug too...its rough! I would not blame anyone for not wanting to take it either, its a real personal decision and may have long term affects.
Those 2 MK fans are really deluding themselves in order to cope if they believe all that shite they spouted about Wimbledon abandoning their club and not wanting it! What a slap in the face to all those loyal fans who still wanted their club so much they banded together and made it rise from the ashes.
RB Leipzig aren't liked in most of Germany but they are very very popular in Leipzig and parts of Eastern Germany. However if you go to Salzburg and watch Red Bull Salzburg they are not only hated by the whole of Austria but they are hated by most of their former fans. After they changed the name, colours and history of Austria Salzburg. Most the ultras of Austria Salzburg helped form a new club SV Austria Salzburg who play in the Austrian third division. They played in the first derby recently after they got drawn in the cup and it was crazy.
@@LinkeScharmlipe Ich habe 5 Jahre in Dresden gelebt. Dort hassen sie Bayarn noch mehr. RB hat eine durchschnittliche Fanzahl von 45.000. Jemand mag sie offensichtlich. Sie haben keinen bestehenden Verein übernommen. Lokomotive spiel immer noch. Es ist gleich nichts Red Bull Salzburg.
Actually looks like a pretty decent stadium, just a shame it's so empty looking. I know you've been in the away end with Cov, but if you want atmosphere, the CBS is amazing at the moment, especially at the start with we live and die in these towns, well worth a visit in the home end.
Lincoln City Fan here. When we played them the season we won L2 we took 5.5k and they brought 10k. They were so spread out they made no noise. Also they only had that many that season as they did a deal where home supporters got a free Nando’s with their ticket. They got a lot of stick that season for it
That guy who said the fans abandoned Wimbledon has no idea what he's talking about and is just trying to make his own club look better. They're a soulless club.
@leedsalex our highest EVER average attendances were in the 1999/2000 season, 2 years before the relocation was confirmed. We've never been a big club, so our attendances were never particularly high, but they only became significantly low once the relocation was confirmed.
I have always felt a bit bad for people from Milton keynes on this whole issue. Rather than build up a local team to compete at a good level all the money and resources got shoveled into a bizarre project and left them with the most hated team in the country by default. If you're from MK you have three choices, support local and be hated by everyone, support local and only support a team down multiple tiers below even national league south, or support someone nowhere near you and I think thats rough on a decent sized city that deserve a team they can support without so much baggage.
Completely agree. Winkleman is a bit of an oddball, ex-music business bloke who revels in being the 'man about town' in Milton Keynes. Believe it or not he actually thought that building a retail park around the stadium would be a big money spinner, and cared less about the impact of moving a football team across the country.
It's pretty on brand for all of MK to be fair. It's a post WWII city near London but not London. It was nothing but a village until 60s. It was always artificial.It's pretty on brand for all of MK to be fair. It's a post WWII city near London but not London. It was nothing but a village until 60s. It was always artificial.
@@CJonesApple I've heard other commentators in looking at old forgotten media footage describing MK AS a bit of a plastic place, overall. So it probably isn't surprising that they got a team in such a lackluster manner; the team may well reflect the artificiality of the place. Honestly, MK should just drop the dons entirely and just go as their name period. 20 years is long enough, especially if you're going to not have any attachment to the old club at all. (My forgotten club, the Hartford Whalers, are only NOW finally being embraced by the team they replaced, and I'm still annoyed about that.)
Actually agree about the Dons part, they should just call it Milton Keynes FC. They might actually attract more MK support if it's 100% 'their own'.@@BigBlack81
Should be Arsenal really. I've been to MK Dons and Wimbledon in recent years. Give me MK Dons any day of the week. Decent ground, nice fans, good food, a nandos is outside for goodness sake. Wimbledon is cramped, horrible fans, abysmal stewards, even worse food, awful football. Up the MK Dons.
Correct about the atmosphere. Don’t need to be in it to feel it. I live in Florida and am a season ticket holder for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Usually sold out but there are spots that are away from the atmosphere that you can still understand and feel it.
@@lordprotector3367 no unfortunately their league went defunct. We have a new league starting next year. Jacksonville will have a team. And I think Tampa and Miami (like they need another team) but it’s going to try and be a league to rival the MLS or the very least be competitive. None of our tv covers the smaller leagues which is tough on them.
I can understand people's thoughts on MK Dons as a club, but I don't understand the criticism of their fans at all. How can they be called 'plastic' for supporting their local team? Would they be less plastic if they supported United, Liverpool or a London club?
That ASDA right next to the grounds is definitely more full than the grounds themselves most days. Sad to say I am from MK originally (live in the States now), and witnessed the stadium being built back in the early 00s, but moved here right before the stadium was complete and the town became a city. Never seen a match there, but met my family at that ASDA for a lunch in 2019 and stopped by the team store, no matches that day:( all before the Covid lockdown too, I would love to go back home and actually watch a match there❤ love the content guys, keep up the great work and good luck at the FSA's!!!🎉
I live in MK, I’m a spurs fan but had a season ticket the first season the dons were in MK. They still played under the name Wimbledon at the time and played at an old disused hockey stadium before moving to that stadium.
I remember when they played at the national hockey stadium in MK (before MK Dons were formed). That was a weird time. Some fairly iconic second tier players they had back then. Mikele Leigertwood, Nigel Reo Coker, Jobi McAnuff, Wade Small, Patrick Ageymang.
Bloody hell Lad ! People are rude . You have nice teeth . Half of mine got lost along the way . Great video . Reminds me of Cleveland Municipal Stadium . 300 people in a stadium that held 80,000 . I miss the old place
Went for an away game here this season. It's mad that they chuck the away fans up on the second tier so far away. In my opinion they should just keep everyone in the lower tier, only open as much as they need rather than spread it, and probably sell season tickets for about £100. They may make less money short term, but at least there's a chance they'd build up more of a fan base.
I used to live in Milton Keynes. The acquisition of Wimbledon was totally disgusting. Whenever I hear bad things regarding them I laugh out loud. But they are so far down in the scheme of things, they're not worth bothering about.
alright Ellis, grew up in MK but moved country now, used to have a season ticket for MK. Stadium is a soulless bowl, atmosphere was horrible. Away days were pretty good atmosphere wise for the fans, but I hate how much the fans 'love' the hate from the general football crowd (the no one likes us, we dont care chant...), would love it if MK dropped the Dons name so there was less of a stain on the club from the get-go, but I enjoyed watching footy there overall. Good core memory of being United 4-0 at home, thanks for visitin bud
Mate, May I give you some advice to skin? Genuinely had the same issue 10 years ago. Spent loads of money on treatments etc, but the only thing that actually worked was using Sudacrem, it makes you look like a ghost, so use it before you go to bed and rinse it off in the morning. Do it for 3-4 nights in a row and it will be cleared and calmed down within a week. Keep up with the great content, always entertaining mate.
As a teenager, I had bad acne. I used a type of soap called biactol. It really worked. That's not the point. Nobody should see or comment on it. It's very poor. Skin conditions aren't something that anyone chooses, but being a sad arsehole is. Try to ignore the trolls buddy. Love your content. Good on you matey.
@@stephenkelly1887 mate, I was offering friendly advice. Definitely not trolling him, he’s a great content creator. Less of your bad attitude mate, it’s not cool
@@JamesPaulUK769I apologise. I didn't realise the full context. It's not bad attitude. I just hate people that judge others for things that they can't help. Peace?
No need to worry man. My skin was worse than yours - it got better when my gf taught me that i need to moisturize & preserve most of the natural oils on my skin instead of trying to get rid of it. Felt like an idiot. I have ridiculous amount of scars from years of thinking "oil=bad", but i just learned to live with it. Keep making your videos man - you're doing great!
Been there once as a Blackburn Rovers fan. Great stadium, but soul-less and isolated, quarter full, dis-interested locals, away fans high away from anyone else. Oh and we were a man down after 9 minutes and lost 3-0.
If any club was going to be relocated to Milton Keynes, it should have been Man United as it would have made it a lot easier for their fans to get to home games
You missed one actual positive about the town - it is home to one of the largest and most successful Universities on the planet - the Open University. As for the club, they never claimed the history of Wimbledon FC and, in fact, AFC Wimbledon were awarded the rights by the FA to the 'intellectual property' of Wimbledon FC's entire history, meaning that AFC Wimbledon are officially classed as the winners of the FA Cup.
they absolutely fucking did claim the history in the beginning. It was only after AFC Wimbledon rose through the ranks they gave them the history back. The fact that they have the fucking balls to still call themselves DONS is all you need to know about how disgusting this club is.
Wow bloody lovely ground . Both MK Dons and Wimbledon doing well in league 2 .So at the end of the day it's all good,Milton Keynes got a footy team in the league and Wimbledon are still with us,so they keep the memory of the crazy gang and that brilliant FA cup win going .Pity that MK can't fill that stadium a bit more though . Good luck to both clubs .😁😁👍👍
I think the problem wasn't Wimbledon relocating as such, after all they had been playing in SE25 for years, but that MK were allowed to jump the queue and enter the league system in League One. As a new team they should have had to start at Step 10 of the pyramid the same as any other new team. Having said that I'm in no rush to visit as an away fan when Southend eventually get back in the League!
No idea how you fix the support situation but I'd give away tickets to schools. The children's parents will pay and buy food and drink etc so you'll recoup some money . Also it'll take kids off the streets for a few hours to hopefully enjoy the game and want to start playing grassroots themselves.
Great stadium but horrendous atmosphere and painfully far from the train station. I think I’ve seen Charlton lose 5/5 times there. They also considered relocating Charlton and Luton there but thankfully for us it didn’t go ahead
I think it's more common here to relocate because our sports teams are only in major cities (except the Green Bay Packers). Therefore, there has to be a large market for that team in that city. When nobody shows up or supports the team they lose money and are forced to move to a market that'll support a professional sports team. Our minor leagues/lower divisions are all attached to professional teams and don't get promoted or relegated so there's no fan base for them and they get moved around a lot.
Watching Ellis go to somewhere Ive been so many times (Milton Keynes as a place, and around the stadium) is uncanny. Especially since you’re my favorite RUclipsr.
I actually went back to see if he ever went to the Kenny and he has. I’d love to see an updated video of him there, getting Norms and wondering around Bury Park 😭
MK Dons fan here. The whole story is much more complex than most realise. Wimbledon were looking to move to Dublin, or Yorkshire ever before Winkelman was on the scene. And the roots of it all go back to Hillsborough. The Taylor Report demanded all seater stadia, and the original Wimbledon could not afford to convert Plough Lane.
The fans weren’t looking to move, it was the owners. If they’d announced they were going to Dublin or Yorkshire, the fans would have reacted the same way. As for Winkelman, he was the one who did it so naturally gets all the stick. To be honest the MK Dons is a hated club is a new one on me.
It was engineered, they wanted a Premier League club somewhere potentially big, Belfast, Dublin, MK Gatwick etc We watched season after season of this, it was deliberately done for this purpose and the whole thing backfired on everyone.
I don't know if MK will ever be fully accepted - regardless of what they say about Wimbledon fans "not caring" about the club before the move, it was still THEIR club. They have now dropped mention of 1988's FA cup from their honours, but only did that under pressure - and despite everything they've done to try to prove that they are a "new" club, they still choose to use the "Dons" nickname that was Wimbledon's nickname - they are not from an area that has "don" in the name, neither are they a traditional "University Town" so cannot claim it's appropriate for that reason... If I were the owner of the club, I would look to drop the "Dons" name to let AFC Wimbledon have it back... maybe that might go towards building bridges...
Great video as always lads, we hate when our teams move also, unfortunately, a lot of American owners are always more concerned with the dollar than the fan
I’m a Luton fan since I was born, I grew up in Flitwick which is right between Luton and MK, I now live and work in MK and I lave the city, could never support MK Dons obviously but I do love the city and I’m rooting for the city to do well which probably means the football club doing well, and if I’d grown up in MK I could deffo see the appeal for supporting the Dons. It is nice to have a great stadium around the corner to see the Women and England games.
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I stayed in the hotel recently for the neraby model railway exhibition. On the Saturday evening, I was chatting to a Dons fan in the hotel bar. He had been a Wimbledon supporter for decade, but in his opinion, this was the continuation of the old club. He drove down from somewhere in the North West for the home games, staying over in the hotel. In his opinion, AFC Wimbledon, were nothing to do with the old Wimbledon. It's an strange one, and I can remember at one point both clubs claiming to have won the FA Cup in 1988 on their websites. For a while MK Dons were way above Wimbledon, but as a Col U supporter, they're both on the fixture list for us in league two now. The do seem to mostly now be considered a new club, while AFC Winbledon are considered the continuation of the old Wimbledon. I think I remember a few years ago, MK Dons acknowledging ownership of the FA Cup win to AFC Wimbledon.
I have a lovely anecdote as a Wycombe fan... in the early days, MK went into schools/clubs etc that were typically Wycombe supporting in Bucks and tried to lure people into being fans with free tickets. They were generally told to bugger off, except for the time they did it for MK vs Wycombe... and the general consensus was yeah we'll have the free tickets if you'll put us in the away end.
As someone who used to go to Tropicana field to watch the Tampa Bay Rays, the baseball team with the worst attendance in Major League Baseball year in and year out. I can confirm, having a big soulless stadium sucks. They should restrict the sections.
Had acne in my late teens/early 20s, went through loads of antibiotics which did nothing until doctor put me on a drug called roaccutane. It was relatively new at the time and was quite a hardcore one with a whole list of side effects but it did wonders for me and didn’t adversely effect me too much. Worth asking your GP about anyway if it’s something that bothers you! Also - have you/or are you planning on doing Wrexham?
I only have good memories about MK Dons. I stayed at the Hilton there for work and kept having to stay "one more day". So every morning I'd check out and every evening I'd check in. And every time I checked in they'd give me a warm chocolate chip cookie. Quality times.
People talking about acne??? Wtf... bro it's not even that bad AT ALL. That's just standard light acne. Brother, you make AWESOME videos! Really informative video and insight! Thank you brother ! 🙏💪
I don't think they're the most hated, at least anymore, just most people are indifferent to them, and honestly care more about AFC Wimbledon over MK Dons.
Been there 3 times, as an away fan (Pompey), It's one of the nicest stadiums I've been to, shame about the lack of home support, they are often outnumbered and out-sung by away fans.
As a US fan we are much more used to teams relocating because there is no relegation so cities compete for clubs. Usually it takes a good 10-15 years or so to shed that label (unless you're the Raiders.) I think you're right on in encouraging young fans to stick with the team, and also shout out AFC Wimbledon.
I love North American Sports have done since 1993 but my one bugbear is teams run my billionaires relocating pay for the God dam Stadium yourself you cheepscate billionaire. I look at The Raiders like a nomadic biker gang they are never in one place for to long The Dival
I love North American Sports have done since 1993 but my one bugbear is teams run my billionaires relocating pay for the God dam Stadium yourself you cheepscate billionaire. I look at The Raiders like a nomadic biker gang they are never in one place for to long The Devil's Tribe like from S.O.A. to me that's The Raiders in a complete nutshell no ones child forever scarring the land for a place to call home for a will. I am a Steelers fan since 1996 from Scotland. The N.H.L was my first interest in North American Sports in 1993 though N.H.L 93 computer game my friend Brought back from Canada & the Mighty Ducks Movie. Keep Safe hands across The Atlantic from Scotland U.S.A , U.S.A.
Hello Sgaun. Whilst I am bitterly disappointed that my Club: Millwall are no longer considered the most hated,I can understand the fury of Wimbledon fans winning the infamous 1988 F A Cup Final by beating Liverpool,in one of the great football upsets and then seeing,for years, MK Dons claiming it as their victory. My team : Millwall moved just 1/2 mile away from an old school Football Ground to a plastic, soulless, sanitised stadium in 1993 and I still have not found them :)
Being from Canada, I grew up not knowing any history of English football, despite my mother's mother being English, and both me and my father playing soccer. I was probably around grade 9 when I really got into fifa, and randomly chose MK dons, around 2008 or so to rebuild as a 4th tier side, because of how neutral and boring their kits were. They aren't the first team I cheer for these days, but I still have a soft spot for MK Don's every time I come across them these days.
I always call them MacDons , as they started as a franchise. To be fair the younger fans arent to blame . Like most I was pleased to see Wimbledon back in the league and now at Plough lane .It always seems weird with a nice big ground and few fans .
I am too - never seen such a complete donkey - he could barely pass the ball - think he only did when he found a player he wasn't originally aiming for. He gave us away fans the chance to take the mick almost every time he touched the ball. I will never forget the look on his face when someone accidentally tripped him up - the sheer indignation at the effrontery - didn't the player realise who he was.
Your club is utterly sickening. Milton Keynes was made to reject Londoners to a new town. You'll never understand what it means to be from South London, a cultural hotbed, the best rollercoaster on Earth. So much great music and theatres and stadiums yet so many estates, so much deprivation, so many stabbings every single week. These estates bring cage football - AFC Wimbledon are the best example of triumphing over adversity. For a team that originally got rapid promotions in the late 70s to a club moved 72 kilometres away, with the colours, badge, name and location all drastically changed, from the 9th tier the fans set up a new club and got 5 promotions in 9 years. Through offering contracts to young pro footballers, we've saved so many kids from disgusting knife violence that you could NEVER understand. We still have no money as a club. We give players £15 vouchers for local cafes to get lunch as we can't even afford to have a canteen in our training ground. Our fans clubbed together to raise £33 million, £9 million of that in a loan - the largest football bond ever issued in sporting history - in which thousands of our fans put in thousands of pounds each at tiny interest rates knowing they wouldn't see the money again for the 20-year length of the loan. All this, in a cost of living crisis, to rebuild our club. A lot of Wimbledon fans DIED before ever seeing their team come back to Plough Lane solely because of your club's existance alone. I work in media and rest assured I will be speaking to my colleagues at ITV to arrange a docudrama on how repulsive MK Dons are and how AFC Wimbledon rose up the leagues from the brink of despair. After the Hillsbrough disaster and the Post Office scandal, I genuinely believe that Pete Winkelman stealing WFC was the third biggest miscarriage of justice in Britain's entire legal history. Rest assured that by the time we get this documentary out, there will be national utter outrage and the whole country will see what your club stole. It's only thanks to a massive effort that had a tiny chance of happening that AFC Wimbledon are back in the EFL and back at Plough Lane. Lives SHATTERED for three decades, homeless. You could NEVER understand what it means in South London, how culturally significant football is in the wellbeing of London citizens and the prevention of knife crime. The Hillsbrough disaster and Post Office scandal are so, so similar to AFC Wimbledon. All those board neetings, fighting tooth and nail for decades for justice. Ivor Heller, who set up AFC Wimbledon, is exactly like Anne Williams, or Alan Bates. Ivor Heller is literally like Matthew in the Bible. He facilitated a ressurection, from the absolute unthinkable brink of despair - WFC, a piece of Britain's cultural heritage, DEAD because of your club. You forced our academy players back onto the South London estates, back into knife crime. You will never understand. You stole a 113-year-old club, an institutiom bringing hope to South London since 1889. AFC, we were told by Parliament that our very existance was "not in the wider interests of football". We went back into Parliament with the organisatiom FairGame - it is thanks to AFC Wimbledon fans that the white paper on ownership is being put through. Thanks to these fans, who ironically had their own club shattered to utter smithereens, no club in the UK will ever again change badge, location, colours or name without majority approval of club fans. In summer 2002, Chelsea had just won the Premier League and AFC Wimbledon had just been set up in the 9th tier. The Dons, even in the 9th tier, had a larger regional charity operation than the reigning Prem champions! AFC Wimbledon have already had preseason tours abroad. Support from the brink of death, from despair, from not existing. We amassed record season ticket sales straight after our first relegation. Over 4,000 fans every other Saturday in the 9th tier and it's more than double that now we're 5 divisions higher and back at home. Thanks to US. And nobody else at all.
As a Lincoln City fan i hate what happened to Wimbledon but lets move on, sport evolves as these teams have, yes when we play them they will get some banter as this is the nature of football, long may it continue
The 10 lowest attendances in premier league history. Now tell me the Wimbledon fans weren't abandoning their club. MK Dons may well be the most hated club in the UK but if you ever make a video of the most hated fans in the UK, may I suggest you start at SW17. Wimbledon v Everton … 3,039 (26 January 1993) Wimbledon v Oldham … 3,386 (12 December 1992) Wimbledon v Coventry City … 3,759 (22 August 1992) Wimbledon v Sheffield United … 3,979 (20 February 1993) Wimbledon v Southampton … 4,534 (6 March 1993) Wimbledon v Manchester City … 4,714 (1 September 1992) Wimbledon v Coventry City … 4,739 (26 December 1993) Wimbledon v Ipswich Town … 4,954 (18 August 1992) Wimbledon v Sheff Wed … 5,536 (15 January 1994) Wimbledon v Sheff Wed … 5,740 (28 November 1992)
At a ground that wasn't their own and a club that left non league less then 2 decades before. MK stadium is empty. Many tickets are freebies. Wimbledon new stadium is a success and they get more fans the MK. There is no comparison.
Was at the game as a Gills fan and said the same as you, can't see why they don't just open one stand for the home fans like you might in an EFL trophy game or something so they can get a bit more of an atmosphere going.
ellis, you look great mate. i'm sure you go through these comments and have to read a lot of vile shite about your skin but you're the one willing to put yourself out there and film videos for thousands of people to watch. chin up, we fucking love you
@@NCFC-do5djyes WE love Ellis
Aye too right, we all love what you do and how you go about it, fuck anyone that speaks ill of someone having a medical situation whilst looking ace at the same time
👍🫡 second this. His skin will get better but the people who feel they have to point it out will still be vile.
Fair play for him addressing it. NHS is crap though he needs to go see a private dermatologist
Spot on!
One thing I respect the hell out of English sporting culture for was the near-universal revulsion to AFC Wimbledon getting moved and turned into MK Dons, and how years later it's still spoken of as this historic atrocity. Here in the States that sort of franchising is a very commonplace practice in nearly all major sports and greedy team owners constantly use the threat of relocation to gouge local communities for tax money to build unnecessary new stadiums every 20 years or so. We desperately need that aspect of club permanence and the taboo against relocation that you have in English football over here.
I mean hell, this weekend the Carolina Hurricanes will literally be wearing the uniforms of the team they stole lol
English football is the european league system people care the least about relocation, investors etc. I get your point but maybe praising "european football culture" would be way more accurate than ENGLISH football culture. You should read up why very single austrian and german fan base hates the RB clubs for example
@@valpix7007stole?the owners moved the team,Hartford didn’t own the Whalers.
It was Wimbledon FC that were forced to move to MK not AFC Wimbledon. AFC Wimbledon were formed by a group of fans who rejected the idea of the move and didn't want to lose their local football team. They held trials at a local park, started at the bottom of English football and rose through 9 levels of leagues to where they are now. They even raised the money to build a new stadium next to where the old stadium used to stand (which is now a housing development). A truly remarkable story and one which I am proud to be a follower of. COYD!!!⚽⚽🔵🟡🔵🟡🟡
@@TDtog2112Nice
Charles Koppel asset stripped the club till there was nothing left. No one abandoned it as there was nothing left to abandon. Winkelman said premier leaue in 5 years and it never happen. I personally don't hate them but they should drop the dons and be called city or something
That guy had me raging a bit because he said the fans abandoned the club. Yeah, the only ones that abandoned the club was the owner.
'Personally I don’t hate them' is a brave position for a Wimbledon fan to take.
He’s the British version of John Fisher with the Oakland A’s, Koppel is
Not just for how he so committed to selling the team to move to MK, but how he mass-sold players in the middle of seasons to kill promotion hopes
@@danpreston564 not really. I know where the real wimbledon is.
@@wimbledan I’m not sure I see the point in the hate. The old Wimbledon was dead, whether or not it moved to Mk.
I am a Fulham fan and personally I hate everything about MK fc. Wimbledon fans didn’t abandon their club their club abandoned them. Only after Wimbledon agreed to move and the FA ratified it did the Wimbledon fans set up afc Wimbledon. This is just part of the propaganda that the MK fans have been fed. They had a football team that was non league that Winkleman could have invested in but he chose to steal one for a stadium to hold his concerts instead. A hundred years of history torn up for one man’s greed.
Twenty years on and it still aggravates me how this was allowed to happen
and they,originally,claimed The F A Cup win as their own:(
I mean from looking at and reading the history it sounds like the fans did slowly abandon them. I mean when they couldn’t build a new stadium that had to use a different one and attendance started falling and the owner couldn’t pay for it anymore so he sold it which lead to the new owner buying it and moving it
How many teams does London need ? Be more upset that Fulham sucks.
How is that the fault of the Milton Keynes population? Be careful that you don't conflate your resentment to how the Dons formation came about to a resentment against the inhabitants of the town.
@@keith96969 this isn’t America mate, we don’t “need” a certain number of teams, it’s all organic growth.
Any MK fan 25 and under kind of gets a pass from me. That team was there when they were growing up. The older fans, particularly 40+ year olds should've got behind the local non-league side if they wanted a league team. They have no excuse for supporting them
Im 40, not from MK but if I was who would I have supported then growing up in the 90s?
@@Scott-dp3lu Your families favourite team? The local non-league side? Whoever you want, but you should still support that same team now
@@stevenrose86 Milton Keynes is a new city that was established only int the 60’s. Football is live entertainment, don’t forget. If people enjoy it, fine. If you wanna hate them, also fine.
@@Dude0000 I don’t know what your point is. Burton Albion were only established in 1950. They had over 50 years of non league football before earning their current place in the league. MK City were a non league team that ended up folding once Greasy Pete had stolen Wimbledon.
The city had a team. They didn’t support them. They stole someone else’s league team and then decided to support their local.
I wonder how many defected from Luton Town or Northampton Town. Can fans of either side confirm a notable drop in attendance around that time?
I had acne and it’s shit, fair play to you for just rocking it on video and making amazing content. Skin will clear up eventually pal…and you’ll still be a famous youtuber with a dream job, and any arsehole that leaves negative comments about your skin will still be a sad internet troll! great content as always
Man's here talking about how MK saved jobs of the then current staff.....did you though? When many of them were likely hospitality workers on little more than minimum wage, given the choice between 'travel 60 miles further to work, or tara'? The theft of the Dons name was also rotten to the core. Will always be a franchise club until they at least axe that part.
The reason why MK Dons don't claim the FA cup win or anything else related to Wimbledon FC is because a few years back an agreement was reached between AFC Wimbledon and MKD for MKD to hand all Wimbledon honours back to AFC and recognise AFC as the true legacy of Wimbledon FC.
No it’s because the FA forced MK to give the trophy back to Merton Council and not AFC W
@@williammears9272
They never.
You can’t claim a 1988 cup win if you’re formed in 2002,the MK Dons are the 1988 winners as it’s basically the same club with a new name and location,the old Wimbledon didn’t leave the football league and reform as Milton Keynes,the name changed in the close season,I’m no fan of the MK Dons but I don’t think you can re-write history
@@sr7791
MK Dons were formed in 1889 as Wimbledon FC. They moved location and changed name, as Arsenal did. Wimbledon FC moved to Milton Keynes starting the season 2003-4 in MK as Wimbledon. Half way thru the season they changed their name and kit colour.
MK Dons hold the 1889 registration. They have to otherwise they would be out of the league. MK Dons won the FA Cup in 1988. Wimbledon FC have not been dissolved.
As Wimbledon FC moved out of Merton, as a gesture they gave the trophies Wimbledon won while in Merton to the people of Merton.
Luton fan, and we never refer to the "Dons" - just MK. The real Dons are AFC Wimbledon. Always will be. MK fans, the new generation had nothing to do with the move, so feel for them, but the club as a whole is definitely hated.
Fuck Luton
I just call MK team the McDonald's team. I've done FM saves where I will make them a new kit with McDonald's sponsorship 🤣
Is it that deep though? Do you still hate Germany because of Hitler? No you just hate Hitler. Leave it in the past and move on. Some people will never accept change. Get with the times or be left behind is what I say
Don't care how Luton fans refer to other clubs ..Luton is an absolute shithole but props to anyone giving it large about going there..I wouldn't wish it on anyone tbh
@@harrycross3467 aw, you ok Harry? Seem like a very angry person.
Northampton town fan here, always viewed MK weirdly. Hate the club, pity the fans. I hate how they were formed and basically destroyed a great football club but feel bad for the fans as they just want to support their local team and it’s not their fault their club was born into existence in such a horrible way.
Super sammy hoskins
@@louis_anderson0590 Forgot Ronaldo and Messi he’s my goat
John Brady’s Barmy Army! NTFC!
NTFC fan also, for me it's a toss up between MK and Peterborough. 😂 I do wish we had a stadium like MK's though.
@@goneriding1853 I don’t really hate MK but the scum (borough) on the other hand absolutely despise them. I’m not sure if I’d want a stadium like MK’s don’t get me wrong it’s a nice stadium but we’d end with the same problems as they have ie we wouldn’t fill it and the atmosphere wouldn’t be great.
No word of a lie, I walked into a Nisa earlier on and they've had a bit of a makeover and I thought to myself "this is quality" and here I am watching Ben admire Asda. This is quality!
Good to see TWO absolute giants of men appreciate a good supermarket
Okay, okay i am an MK Fan and I knew exactly who your video was about before I pressed it 😂 I dont feel bad for who i support never will. But i understand the hate and our owner is a bell anyway 😂 love our 38 year old record breaking LB (who players CB because hes to old)
Great video mate thanks for not being like everyone else and trying to be respectful 🙏
The guy in the hat talking about ‘saving a dying club’ and ‘their community didn’t want them’. If the community didn’t want them, why are AFC thriving so much in that community?
Let’s also not forget that Winkleman had tried to move QPR before making a move on Wimbledon. It had always been in his interest to move an already established club, rather than starting from the ground up…
who would actually ridicule this bloke skin or whatever, top youtuber seems like a good lad, quite in touch
As one one that has been ridiculed in some shape or form my entire life.
You can let it destroy you or you can rise up & meet the challenge head on find away of making itvless hurtful my way was to turn the situation in to joke so
I was in control not the person or persons that where giving me a
hard time in the first place.
I am extremely skinny because I have Homocystinuria I was born with it pepole used to say to me when I was a kid at Primary School you look like Skeletor.
I would say well you had better run for it then because he is evil & if he is evil just Imagine what I might do to you.
My Dad would always put me down because I liked American football would tell me it was a stupid game & that he did not understand it I would say to him that's because your to stupid to understand it your stuck in the past.
That way I was in control of the situation not my Dad.
So if for example
someone call's you
Pizza face then say I will never go hungry then unlike you.
It's all about taking control of any given situation.
Hey Ellis, I also suffered form pretty severe acne in my early 20s. Didn't matter how often I washed my face, used expensive acne treatments, or changed my diet. It is a hormonol imbalance that for some can only be curred through medication. I went to a dermotologist (United States) and he prescribed accutane (General term used for the medication). Usually prescribed for a 6 month cycle but can go to a year or longer if needed. It does have some side effects and you have to do blood work every month or two to monitor liver function as it is a pretty potent drug. I had pretty mild side effects, but I would recommend to do some research and see if it is right for you. It was certainly worth if for me, perhaps it could help you as well. If others could like this comment so Ellis will see it, I would appreciate it.
We have much stricter
rules in The U.K in terms of licensing drugs.
And buy the sound of what you are saying that drug would not make it on to The U.K. market as it would not meet our extremely strict regulations.
I'm from the UK and about 15 years ago I was given a drug called Roaccutane. Exactly the same warnings and feedback you described. But it worked amazingly well for me also
Accutane is prescribed for acne in the UK@@alanfox691
There are quite a few drugs available on prescription here in the UK, going up to some pretty strong treatments with consequently pretty severe potential for side effects. A GP will always take skin conditions seriously and prescribe accordingly. @@alanfox691
I wouldn’t normally comment, but Ellis mentioned it. I had similar cystic acne until my early 20s. Accutane was the only thing that solved the issue for me. A total life saver. Generic is itotretinoin and looks like it’s available through NHS in UK.
As someone who has been self-conscious about a skin condition for a long time... I hope you don't let people get you too down. Love your videos Ellis. ❤
*8:48* "Ripped the club out the heart of the community who didn't really want it" aye ok pal you believe that. Look at our attendance and what Dons Local action group do in the community since returning to Wimbledon.
Up the fucking dons
Young people won't understand
Lad clearly had no idea what he was talking about the entire time. Typical MK fan trying to justify supporting the franchise
american wombly here. Wimbledon afc will always be THE club. there are alot of international fans in the Americas because we loved seeing this club rise out of the ashes and spit in the face of the greedy bastards. i have yet to find any MK Don supporters in United States. MK Don's only contribution to English football is a HITC video
@@glencurtis6052 I'm 19 and understand perfectly
AFC Wimbledon fans abandoned the club before it moved to MK????? That is a load of rubbish
MK Dons are not allowed to reference any of the Wimbledon history. They're effectively a new club
Now but the damage is done
If they're a new club they should choose a new name and not continue to use another club's.
Ellis, regarding the face its something that GPs don't like giving but when i was in my early 20's i had acne right from being 12-13 and got prescribed roacutane, its absolutely brutal and you need to go for a lot of check-ups but since using it for about a year its never come back, worth asking your GP about if its something that bothers you but also remember its not the end of the world that you have it and a lot of people on the internet still believe the earth is flat so the opinions of the internet shouldn't really be listened to
i had accutane too, had no issues on it whatsoever, cleared my skin within 3 months. Had to go private tho as wait on the NHS was a joke.
Also went on accutane, had a pretty severe case, nodules and all. Was on accutane for 6 months. Pretty mild side effects.
@@maxharwood4696 Yeah a lot of people will have it without issue, it can cause some pretty nasty side effects i was lucky to get off with just the severe dry lips and headaches, carmex gets you through the dry lips though if anyone happens to be reading this who needs it haha!
Yep can vouch for roacutane, 15 years later and no hint of spots since
I took this drug too...its rough! I would not blame anyone for not wanting to take it either, its a real personal decision and may have long term affects.
Those 2 MK fans are really deluding themselves in order to cope if they believe all that shite they spouted about Wimbledon abandoning their club and not wanting it! What a slap in the face to all those loyal fans who still wanted their club so much they banded together and made it rise from the ashes.
"10,000 likes and we'll do it in Europe"
All that to send you to an RB Leipzig game.
Also next time you're in MK, ice hockey is the far better option
RB Leipzig aren't liked in most of Germany but they are very very popular in Leipzig and parts of Eastern Germany. However if you go to Salzburg and watch Red Bull Salzburg they are not only hated by the whole of Austria but they are hated by most of their former fans. After they changed the name, colours and history of Austria Salzburg. Most the ultras of Austria Salzburg helped form a new club SV Austria Salzburg who play in the Austrian third division. They played in the first derby recently after they got drawn in the cup and it was crazy.
@@davedavids57
What are you waffling about? East German football fans hate RB Leipzig, most football fans in Leipzig even hate RB Leipzig.
@@LinkeScharmlipe Ich habe 5 Jahre in Dresden gelebt. Dort hassen sie Bayarn noch mehr. RB hat eine durchschnittliche Fanzahl von 45.000. Jemand mag sie offensichtlich. Sie haben keinen bestehenden Verein übernommen. Lokomotive spiel immer noch. Es ist gleich nichts Red Bull Salzburg.
Hoffenheim is hated too
@@davedavids57hoffenheim might worse anyways
Actually looks like a pretty decent stadium, just a shame it's so empty looking.
I know you've been in the away end with Cov, but if you want atmosphere, the CBS is amazing at the moment, especially at the start with we live and die in these towns, well worth a visit in the home end.
Yea I don't get the criticism that it's a soulless stadium, sell it out and it would actually look quite tasty.
stadium looks amazing imo but yeah empty af
The Enemy, proper underrated band. Class that you have a song made by local lads and fans attached to the club.
Chris billam smith?
Lincoln City Fan here. When we played them the season we won L2 we took 5.5k and they brought 10k. They were so spread out they made no noise.
Also they only had that many that season as they did a deal where home supporters got a free Nando’s with their ticket. They got a lot of stick that season for it
That guy who said the fans abandoned Wimbledon has no idea what he's talking about and is just trying to make his own club look better. They're a soulless club.
So the slightly over 1,000 attendances for two of their 'final season' games said nothing to you about a club in administration and without a home ?
@@harrycross3467we boycotted the games as the move was approved by then . We all watched AFC . 2-0 win against the Bletchley Stealers was intense 🙄
@@theskidmarkoforion4829 were you boycotting in 1993? 3,039 vs Everton that season....
@@leedsalex I hated going Selhurst. 😂
@leedsalex our highest EVER average attendances were in the 1999/2000 season, 2 years before the relocation was confirmed. We've never been a big club, so our attendances were never particularly high, but they only became significantly low once the relocation was confirmed.
I have always felt a bit bad for people from Milton keynes on this whole issue. Rather than build up a local team to compete at a good level all the money and resources got shoveled into a bizarre project and left them with the most hated team in the country by default. If you're from MK you have three choices, support local and be hated by everyone, support local and only support a team down multiple tiers below even national league south, or support someone nowhere near you and I think thats rough on a decent sized city that deserve a team they can support without so much baggage.
Completely agree. Winkleman is a bit of an oddball, ex-music business bloke who revels in being the 'man about town' in Milton Keynes. Believe it or not he actually thought that building a retail park around the stadium would be a big money spinner, and cared less about the impact of moving a football team across the country.
It's pretty on brand for all of MK to be fair. It's a post WWII city near London but not London. It was nothing but a village until 60s. It was always artificial.It's pretty on brand for all of MK to be fair. It's a post WWII city near London but not London. It was nothing but a village until 60s. It was always artificial.
@@CJonesApple I've heard other commentators in looking at old forgotten media footage describing MK AS a bit of a plastic place, overall. So it probably isn't surprising that they got a team in such a lackluster manner; the team may well reflect the artificiality of the place.
Honestly, MK should just drop the dons entirely and just go as their name period. 20 years is long enough, especially if you're going to not have any attachment to the old club at all. (My forgotten club, the Hartford Whalers, are only NOW finally being embraced by the team they replaced, and I'm still annoyed about that.)
If AFC can be formed out of nothing and rise up the leagues so could a local MK team. He saw an opportunity to make him money and that's the truth
Actually agree about the Dons part, they should just call it Milton Keynes FC. They might actually attract more MK support if it's 100% 'their own'.@@BigBlack81
4:30 tbf I think people wanted them to drop the reference to Wimbledon's successes... especially the 'new' AFC Wimbledon team.
I was expecting Millwall 😂
IKR 😂😂
before I even clicked on the video I was like MILWALL😂
Millwills like marmite loads of people like them or they hate them, I would like to see them in the prem.
@@joegilbert3149 apart from about 50% of people love marmite and 50% hate it. With Millwall about 0.01% of people love them and 99.99% hate them!
I was expecting Milwall, Franchise FC are just as bad 😂
Should be Arsenal really. I've been to MK Dons and Wimbledon in recent years. Give me MK Dons any day of the week. Decent ground, nice fans, good food, a nandos is outside for goodness sake. Wimbledon is cramped, horrible fans, abysmal stewards, even worse food, awful football. Up the MK Dons.
Thank you for the honesty, leeds were getting shite support at home for years. Only started selling out when promotion out the champ was realistic
Correct about the atmosphere. Don’t need to be in it to feel it. I live in Florida and am a season ticket holder for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Usually sold out but there are spots that are away from the atmosphere that you can still understand and feel it.
Do you remember the Fort Lauderdale Strikers and Tampa Bay Rowdies? Are they still going?
@@lordprotector3367 no unfortunately their league went defunct. We have a new league starting next year. Jacksonville will have a team. And I think Tampa and Miami (like they need another team) but it’s going to try and be a league to rival the MLS or the very least be competitive. None of our tv covers the smaller leagues which is tough on them.
@@gypsiehunter12 That's a shame. I remember when Rodney Marsh signed for the Rowdies. I also remember NY Cosmos, with Pele!
Jags crappy owner needs to Get better players for Trevor
To fix the atmosphere they would probably have to close the upper level completely and only sell seats in the lower bowl.
I can understand people's thoughts on MK Dons as a club, but I don't understand the criticism of their fans at all. How can they be called 'plastic' for supporting their local team? Would they be less plastic if they supported United, Liverpool or a London club?
If we was plastic we would watch a prem team not spending our Saturdays going to watch Barrow and Forest Green
That ASDA right next to the grounds is definitely more full than the grounds themselves most days. Sad to say I am from MK originally (live in the States now), and witnessed the stadium being built back in the early 00s, but moved here right before the stadium was complete and the town became a city. Never seen a match there, but met my family at that ASDA for a lunch in 2019 and stopped by the team store, no matches that day:( all before the Covid lockdown too, I would love to go back home and actually watch a match there❤ love the content guys, keep up the great work and good luck at the FSA's!!!🎉
I live in MK, I’m a spurs fan but had a season ticket the first season the dons were in MK. They still played under the name Wimbledon at the time and played at an old disused hockey stadium before moving to that stadium.
Wrongun
Really enjoying this IKEA (A) vlog
The crowd looks like an open training session crowd. Scattered all over and just there for a fun day out
I remember when they played at the national hockey stadium in MK (before MK Dons were formed). That was a weird time. Some fairly iconic second tier players they had back then. Mikele Leigertwood, Nigel Reo Coker, Jobi McAnuff, Wade Small, Patrick Ageymang.
Some great names there
I didn't know aubameyang played for mk Dons 😂
8:07 the cheek of bringing up city fans, who did 30k in league one while ‘the dons’ struggled to hit 5k in their fuck off massive stadium
They cheated 115 and got away with it, being bantered for having plastic fans is the least of your concern
Bloody hell Lad ! People are rude . You have nice teeth . Half of mine got lost along the way . Great video . Reminds me of Cleveland Municipal Stadium . 300 people in a stadium that held 80,000 . I miss the old place
In all this mess have I found a fellow Clevelander?
@@Lefty216 All my life
Go Browns 🧡🤎
Went for an away game here this season. It's mad that they chuck the away fans up on the second tier so far away. In my opinion they should just keep everyone in the lower tier, only open as much as they need rather than spread it, and probably sell season tickets for about £100. They may make less money short term, but at least there's a chance they'd build up more of a fan base.
They used to. Not sure why changed
and get a semblance of an atmosphere..
I used to live in Milton Keynes. The acquisition of Wimbledon was totally disgusting. Whenever I hear bad things regarding them I laugh out loud. But they are so far down in the scheme of things, they're not worth bothering about.
alright Ellis, grew up in MK but moved country now, used to have a season ticket for MK. Stadium is a soulless bowl, atmosphere was horrible. Away days were pretty good atmosphere wise for the fans, but I hate how much the fans 'love' the hate from the general football crowd (the no one likes us, we dont care chant...), would love it if MK dropped the Dons name so there was less of a stain on the club from the get-go, but I enjoyed watching footy there overall. Good core memory of being United 4-0 at home, thanks for visitin bud
Mate, May I give you some advice to skin? Genuinely had the same issue 10 years ago.
Spent loads of money on treatments etc, but the only thing that actually worked was using Sudacrem, it makes you look like a ghost, so use it before you go to bed and rinse it off in the morning. Do it for 3-4 nights in a row and it will be cleared and calmed down within a week.
Keep up with the great content, always entertaining mate.
As a teenager, I had bad acne. I used a type of soap called biactol. It really worked. That's not the point. Nobody should see or comment on it. It's very poor. Skin conditions aren't something that anyone chooses, but being a sad arsehole is. Try to ignore the trolls buddy. Love your content. Good on you matey.
@@stephenkelly1887 mate, I was offering friendly advice. Definitely not trolling him, he’s a great content creator.
Less of your bad attitude mate, it’s not cool
@@JamesPaulUK769I apologise. I didn't realise the full context. It's not bad attitude. I just hate people that judge others for things that they can't help. Peace?
No need to worry man. My skin was worse than yours - it got better when my gf taught me that i need to moisturize & preserve most of the natural oils on my skin instead of trying to get rid of it. Felt like an idiot. I have ridiculous amount of scars from years of thinking "oil=bad", but i just learned to live with it. Keep making your videos man - you're doing great!
"never see a red bull sponsored team in england " comment lasted
I came here to ask about that.
Been there once as a Blackburn Rovers fan. Great stadium, but soul-less and isolated, quarter full, dis-interested locals, away fans high away from anyone else. Oh and we were a man down after 9 minutes and lost 3-0.
I was watching from 2009, you had the likes of Luke chadwick, Daniel Powell, Jason puncheon, David Martin, I loved the club when I was younger.
If any club was going to be relocated to Milton Keynes, it should have been Man United as it would have made it a lot easier for their fans to get to home games
You missed one actual positive about the town - it is home to one of the largest and most successful Universities on the planet - the Open University.
As for the club, they never claimed the history of Wimbledon FC and, in fact, AFC Wimbledon were awarded the rights by the FA to the 'intellectual property' of Wimbledon FC's entire history, meaning that AFC Wimbledon are officially classed as the winners of the FA Cup.
they absolutely fucking did claim the history in the beginning. It was only after AFC Wimbledon rose through the ranks they gave them the history back. The fact that they have the fucking balls to still call themselves DONS is all you need to know about how disgusting this club is.
They absolutely tried to have the history be included as part of MK. It was part of their whole plan.
@@JMEAUS22 You are correct. I've learned some history about Wimbledon.
@@JMEAUS22oh well
No way I’m watching these old videos back now and being a Leeds fan he said “No Red Bull sponsored teams in England” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 incredible foreshadowing
Wow bloody lovely ground . Both MK Dons and Wimbledon doing well in league 2 .So at the end of the day it's all good,Milton Keynes got a footy team in the league and Wimbledon are still with us,so they keep the memory of the crazy gang and that brilliant FA cup win going .Pity that MK can't fill that stadium a bit more though . Good luck to both clubs .😁😁👍👍
I think the problem wasn't Wimbledon relocating as such, after all they had been playing in SE25 for years, but that MK were allowed to jump the queue and enter the league system in League One. As a new team they should have had to start at Step 10 of the pyramid the same as any other new team. Having said that I'm in no rush to visit as an away fan when Southend eventually get back in the League!
No idea how you fix the support situation but I'd give away tickets to schools. The children's parents will pay and buy food and drink etc so you'll recoup some money . Also it'll take kids off the streets for a few hours to hopefully enjoy the game and want to start playing grassroots themselves.
Great stadium but horrendous atmosphere and painfully far from the train station. I think I’ve seen Charlton lose 5/5 times there. They also considered relocating Charlton and Luton there but thankfully for us it didn’t go ahead
Ellis you NEED to use your platform to highlight AFC Wimbledon - they have an AMAZING story!
4:30 I believe this also lead to Marc white starting up dorking wanderers
Their stadium is amazing tbf
I think it's more common here to relocate because our sports teams are only in major cities (except the Green Bay Packers). Therefore, there has to be a large market for that team in that city. When nobody shows up or supports the team they lose money and are forced to move to a market that'll support a professional sports team. Our minor leagues/lower divisions are all attached to professional teams and don't get promoted or relegated so there's no fan base for them and they get moved around a lot.
That’s really only baseball and hockey.Hockey minor league teams often have pretty big followings
Watching Ellis go to somewhere Ive been so many times (Milton Keynes as a place, and around the stadium) is uncanny. Especially since you’re my favorite RUclipsr.
I actually went back to see if he ever went to the Kenny and he has. I’d love to see an updated video of him there, getting Norms and wondering around Bury Park 😭
Your skin looks like its getting better mate ❤
Dont let the fools get to you.
Keep these videos coming ❤
MK Dons fan here. The whole story is much more complex than most realise. Wimbledon were looking to move to Dublin, or Yorkshire ever before Winkelman was on the scene. And the roots of it all go back to Hillsborough. The Taylor Report demanded all seater stadia, and the original Wimbledon could not afford to convert Plough Lane.
The fans weren’t looking to move, it was the owners. If they’d announced they were going to Dublin or Yorkshire, the fans would have reacted the same way. As for Winkelman, he was the one who did it so naturally gets all the stick. To be honest the MK Dons is a hated club is a new one on me.
What about Winkleman’s plan to move QPR to MK? It was always his intention to move someone there…
It was engineered, they wanted a Premier League club somewhere potentially big, Belfast, Dublin, MK Gatwick etc
We watched season after season of this, it was deliberately done for this purpose and the whole thing backfired on everyone.
Dublin.. 🥔😂
They wanted to merge with scum city Cardiff is it obvious I'm a jack
I don't know if MK will ever be fully accepted - regardless of what they say about Wimbledon fans "not caring" about the club before the move, it was still THEIR club.
They have now dropped mention of 1988's FA cup from their honours, but only did that under pressure - and despite everything they've done to try to prove that they are a "new" club, they still choose to use the "Dons" nickname that was Wimbledon's nickname - they are not from an area that has "don" in the name, neither are they a traditional "University Town" so cannot claim it's appropriate for that reason...
If I were the owner of the club, I would look to drop the "Dons" name to let AFC Wimbledon have it back... maybe that might go towards building bridges...
Great video as always lads, we hate when our teams move also, unfortunately, a lot of American owners are always more concerned with the dollar than the fan
That’s any owner of any team.They care about your money,not you
5:02 you jinxed your own club💀
Wimbledon were already at Selhurst park, a team with no home ground
I’m a Luton fan since I was born, I grew up in Flitwick which is right between Luton and MK, I now live and work in MK and I lave the city, could never support MK Dons obviously but I do love the city and I’m rooting for the city to do well which probably means the football club doing well, and if I’d grown up in MK I could deffo see the appeal for supporting the Dons. It is nice to have a great stadium around the corner to see the Women and England games.
I stayed in the hotel recently for the neraby model railway exhibition. On the Saturday evening, I was chatting to a Dons fan in the hotel bar. He had been a Wimbledon supporter for decade, but in his opinion, this was the continuation of the old club. He drove down from somewhere in the North West for the home games, staying over in the hotel. In his opinion, AFC Wimbledon, were nothing to do with the old Wimbledon. It's an strange one, and I can remember at one point both clubs claiming to have won the FA Cup in 1988 on their websites. For a while MK Dons were way above Wimbledon, but as a Col U supporter, they're both on the fixture list for us in league two now. The do seem to mostly now be considered a new club, while AFC Winbledon are considered the continuation of the old Wimbledon. I think I remember a few years ago, MK Dons acknowledging ownership of the FA Cup win to AFC Wimbledon.
I have a lovely anecdote as a Wycombe fan... in the early days, MK went into schools/clubs etc that were typically Wycombe supporting in Bucks and tried to lure people into being fans with free tickets. They were generally told to bugger off, except for the time they did it for MK vs Wycombe... and the general consensus was yeah we'll have the free tickets if you'll put us in the away end.
Also apparently that chairman tried it get Wycombe to relocate first but changed to wimbledon when he realised it wasn't gonna happen.
As someone who used to go to Tropicana field to watch the Tampa Bay Rays, the baseball team with the worst attendance in Major League Baseball year in and year out. I can confirm, having a big soulless stadium sucks. They should restrict the sections.
Was expecting to be Millwall.
following Simon around the country, everyone wants it !!
The Red Bull sponsor comment has aged like milk
Had acne in my late teens/early 20s, went through loads of antibiotics which did nothing until doctor put me on a drug called roaccutane.
It was relatively new at the time and was quite a hardcore one with a whole list of side effects but it did wonders for me and didn’t adversely effect me too much.
Worth asking your GP about anyway if it’s something that bothers you!
Also - have you/or are you planning on doing Wrexham?
26 pounds for that football fan experience in the home end doesnt seem worth it at all.
@etiennedevignolles7538 it's league two football though that's a steep price also looks soulless no atmosphere at all.
I only have good memories about MK Dons. I stayed at the Hilton there for work and kept having to stay "one more day". So every morning I'd check out and every evening I'd check in. And every time I checked in they'd give me a warm chocolate chip cookie. Quality times.
Ellis you should go to Lille vs Lens, a very violent derby in the north of france
Football violence is for bum boys
People talking about acne??? Wtf... bro it's not even that bad AT ALL. That's just standard light acne. Brother, you make AWESOME videos! Really informative video and insight! Thank you brother ! 🙏💪
Loving the jacket mate
I don't think they're the most hated, at least anymore, just most people are indifferent to them, and honestly care more about AFC Wimbledon over MK Dons.
Even as someone from the United States, I despise MK Dons.
Been there 3 times, as an away fan (Pompey), It's one of the nicest stadiums I've been to, shame about the lack of home support, they are often outnumbered and out-sung by away fans.
They couldn’t be asked to start their own team and go through the league like most teams . The fa let Wimbledon down
As a US fan we are much more used to teams relocating because there is no relegation so cities compete for clubs. Usually it takes a good 10-15 years or so to shed that label (unless you're the Raiders.) I think you're right on in encouraging young fans to stick with the team, and also shout out AFC Wimbledon.
I love North American Sports have done since
1993 but my one bugbear is teams run my billionaires relocating pay for the God dam Stadium yourself you cheepscate
billionaire.
I look at The Raiders like
a nomadic biker gang they are never in one place for to long The Dival
I love North American Sports have done since
1993 but my one bugbear is teams run my billionaires relocating pay for the God dam Stadium yourself you cheepscate
billionaire.
I look at The Raiders like
a nomadic biker gang they are never in one place for to long The Devil's Tribe like from S.O.A. to me that's The Raiders in a complete nutshell no ones child forever scarring the land for a place to call home for a will.
I am a Steelers fan since
1996 from Scotland.
The N.H.L was my first interest in North American
Sports in 1993 though
N.H.L 93 computer game my friend Brought back from Canada & the
Mighty Ducks Movie.
Keep Safe hands across
The Atlantic from Scotland
U.S.A , U.S.A.
Hello Sgaun. Whilst I am bitterly disappointed that my Club: Millwall are no longer considered the most hated,I can understand the fury of Wimbledon fans winning the infamous 1988 F A Cup Final by beating Liverpool,in one of the great football upsets and then seeing,for years, MK Dons claiming it as their victory.
My team : Millwall moved just 1/2 mile away from an old school Football Ground to a plastic, soulless, sanitised stadium in 1993 and I still have not found them :)
@@Isleofskye outside of the UK, Millwall actually have a decent following as a sort of outlaw club
@@shaunnichols1743 That's good to know. Thanks Shaun.
People secretly love leeds but say they hate them.
Being from Canada, I grew up not knowing any history of English football, despite my mother's mother being English, and both me and my father playing soccer.
I was probably around grade 9 when I really got into fifa, and randomly chose MK dons, around 2008 or so to rebuild as a 4th tier side, because of how neutral and boring their kits were.
They aren't the first team I cheer for these days, but I still have a soft spot for MK Don's every time I come across them these days.
For me anytime when a club beats MK Dons in any kind of match will definitely put a smile on everyone's face, whether it is in real life or FM.
I always call them MacDons , as they started as a franchise. To be fair the younger fans arent to blame . Like most I was pleased to see Wimbledon back in the league and now at Plough lane .It always seems weird with a nice big ground and few fans .
I saw Rammstein here, it was amazing
Id like a video of ellis and ben just going around whereever, id love to see ellis and ben goin around manchester or something
17:06 something about that dad and son having dancing made me genuinely smile
Great moment. Lifetime memories.
I'm old enough to have watched Vinny Jones play live for Wimbledon 😢😢
That hardly makes you old
@@glencurtis6052 4'1
@@glencurtis6052that's at least 40 so yeah he is bud
I am too - never seen such a complete donkey - he could barely pass the ball - think he only did when he found a player he wasn't originally aiming for. He gave us away fans the chance to take the mick almost every time he touched the ball. I will never forget the look on his face when someone accidentally tripped him up - the sheer indignation at the effrontery - didn't the player realise who he was.
Come to AFC Wimbledon when these lot play us at home 2nd of March to get the other side of the story.
He would've had the most incredible footage ;)
That sentence of “you’ll never see a red bull sponsor in England”🤣🤣🤣🤣
And now Red Bull sponsor Leeds what are the chances 😂😂
😂 exactly what I was thinking
The fact I went to this never seeing Gillingham win away then after I saw you was here bringing that awaydays bad luck 🤣
Thanks for watching the franchise (as a franchise fan)
Your club is utterly sickening. Milton Keynes was made to reject Londoners to a new town. You'll never understand what it means to be from South London, a cultural hotbed, the best rollercoaster on Earth. So much great music and theatres and stadiums yet so many estates, so much deprivation, so many stabbings every single week. These estates bring cage football - AFC Wimbledon are the best example of triumphing over adversity. For a team that originally got rapid promotions in the late 70s to a club moved 72 kilometres away, with the colours, badge, name and location all drastically changed, from the 9th tier the fans set up a new club and got 5 promotions in 9 years. Through offering contracts to young pro footballers, we've saved so many kids from disgusting knife violence that you could NEVER understand. We still have no money as a club. We give players £15 vouchers for local cafes to get lunch as we can't even afford to have a canteen in our training ground. Our fans clubbed together to raise £33 million, £9 million of that in a loan - the largest football bond ever issued in sporting history - in which thousands of our fans put in thousands of pounds each at tiny interest rates knowing they wouldn't see the money again for the 20-year length of the loan. All this, in a cost of living crisis, to rebuild our club. A lot of Wimbledon fans DIED before ever seeing their team come back to Plough Lane solely because of your club's existance alone. I work in media and rest assured I will be speaking to my colleagues at ITV to arrange a docudrama on how repulsive MK Dons are and how AFC Wimbledon rose up the leagues from the brink of despair. After the Hillsbrough disaster and the Post Office scandal, I genuinely believe that Pete Winkelman stealing WFC was the third biggest miscarriage of justice in Britain's entire legal history. Rest assured that by the time we get this documentary out, there will be national utter outrage and the whole country will see what your club stole. It's only thanks to a massive effort that had a tiny chance of happening that AFC Wimbledon are back in the EFL and back at Plough Lane. Lives SHATTERED for three decades, homeless. You could NEVER understand what it means in South London, how culturally significant football is in the wellbeing of London citizens and the prevention of knife crime. The Hillsbrough disaster and Post Office scandal are so, so similar to AFC Wimbledon. All those board neetings, fighting tooth and nail for decades for justice. Ivor Heller, who set up AFC Wimbledon, is exactly like Anne Williams, or Alan Bates. Ivor Heller is literally like Matthew in the Bible. He facilitated a ressurection, from the absolute unthinkable brink of despair - WFC, a piece of Britain's cultural heritage, DEAD because of your club. You forced our academy players back onto the South London estates, back into knife crime. You will never understand. You stole a 113-year-old club, an institutiom bringing hope to South London since 1889. AFC, we were told by Parliament that our very existance was "not in the wider interests of football". We went back into Parliament with the organisatiom FairGame - it is thanks to AFC Wimbledon fans that the white paper on ownership is being put through. Thanks to these fans, who ironically had their own club shattered to utter smithereens, no club in the UK will ever again change badge, location, colours or name without majority approval of club fans. In summer 2002, Chelsea had just won the Premier League and AFC Wimbledon had just been set up in the 9th tier. The Dons, even in the 9th tier, had a larger regional charity operation than the reigning Prem champions! AFC Wimbledon have already had preseason tours abroad. Support from the brink of death, from despair, from not existing. We amassed record season ticket sales straight after our first relegation. Over 4,000 fans every other Saturday in the 9th tier and it's more than double that now we're 5 divisions higher and back at home. Thanks to US. And nobody else at all.
@@gabrielpurves7156 tldr :)
@gabrielpurves7156 bro no one is listening. Got bored after the first sentence
I, too, got bored after four lines. Thank you all for your attention.
You’re getting beat by a franchise! Beat by a fraaaaanchise! Your getting beat by a fraaaanchise
As a Lincoln City fan i hate what happened to Wimbledon but lets move on, sport evolves as these teams have, yes when we play them they will get some banter as this is the nature of football, long may it continue
I don't hate MK Dons, I just try to pretend they don't exist - which is shockingly easy to achieve most of the time.
The comination of the football but also the visitng the town and areas around the ground are things we love to see in my opinion
The 10 lowest attendances in premier league history. Now tell me the Wimbledon fans weren't abandoning their club. MK Dons may well be the most hated club in the UK but if you ever make a video of the most hated fans in the UK, may I suggest you start at SW17.
Wimbledon v Everton … 3,039 (26 January 1993)
Wimbledon v Oldham … 3,386 (12 December 1992)
Wimbledon v Coventry City … 3,759 (22 August 1992)
Wimbledon v Sheffield United … 3,979 (20 February 1993)
Wimbledon v Southampton … 4,534 (6 March 1993)
Wimbledon v Manchester City … 4,714 (1 September 1992)
Wimbledon v Coventry City … 4,739 (26 December 1993)
Wimbledon v Ipswich Town … 4,954 (18 August 1992)
Wimbledon v Sheff Wed … 5,536 (15 January 1994)
Wimbledon v Sheff Wed … 5,740 (28 November 1992)
At a ground that wasn't their own and a club that left non league less then 2 decades before. MK stadium is empty. Many tickets are freebies. Wimbledon new stadium is a success and they get more fans the MK. There is no comparison.
Was at the game as a Gills fan and said the same as you, can't see why they don't just open one stand for the home fans like you might in an EFL trophy game or something so they can get a bit more of an atmosphere going.