36yrs old. From non union to UNION a week ago! Just finished my 1st week and THANK YOU BIG GUNS UPSTAIRS (JESUS). THE BEST CARPENTER EVER! ICONIC. Local 687 M.I
It's normal in anything to be paid more for having 13 years of experience because of increase skill over that time. Unions a low average salary, so unskilled employees make more and skilled employees make less than the average.
@@SilentCheechGaming1991 that’s usually public sector,in the trades in field construction if you don’t perform you are on the first layoff,we call it weeding the garden or getting rid of the dead weight
Walmart does the same thing. Back in 2004 we got a new store manager and within one month he fired everybody that had been with the company for 10 years or longer. People that were making between 15 and 20 bucks an hour which was good money back were terminated for that reason alone. And once they were all fired within a couple weeks he hired a bunch of new people for like 9 bucks an hour.
Here in the U.S. the decline in union membership goes hand in hand with the decline of the middle class. I’ve been in three separate unions , retiring after 40+ years with the Carpenters. Keep the flame burning brothers and sisters!
This is 2023, not 1963 and we compete in a world market. Look around your house or office, can you find anything made in the USA? I was UAW in my youth and I just told you why I and several thousand others lost high-paying jobs in York PA over 30 years ago. Eventually, unions collectively bargain their jobs away. Hello? I just wasted 2 minutes, didn't I?
@@1Skeptik1 nah I see this. UAW isn't perfect by a long shot, but I've personally seen wages increase by well over 50% in one year (plus several other added benefits) because of them. And you're right, unions make products more expensive. But, if we don't go with Unions, companies will screw you everyday to Sunday. Companies used to have 2 options on what to do with money they made. Reinvest, or increase wages. Now they can do stock buybacks, meaning they can lower their stock price to dirt, then buy up all the shares. No need to raise wages anymore.
You won't trick me into working 10hrs/week, paying dues, having my benefits witheld, getting insulted, underpaid, endangered, and stolen from just so I can pay for your retirement. Sorry boomer. I make waaaay more working non union than I ever did working union. I have way more fun too 😉
I joined local 130 plumbers and was with a service shop. Worked 25 hours a week so I went to another service shop. Then was laid off because I didn’t “ fit in” with the guys who drank at the shop. Then was denied unemployment and now don’t have insurance benefits. Thank You 130 for all you do.
@@AK-47ISTHEWAY I hate unions and will never go with one, I’ve worked 3 union jobs and none have ever given a damn about no matter how much we complained.
@@burntmario Was under a union for 10 years, and there were a number of union boys who were slackers and always played the system. The union rep lied to me, claiming the pension is better than the 401k the company was offering. I will get a small pension when I retire, but in no way does it compare to my 401k, which has reached a very nice 6 figures. To each his own.
This was my experience too, Hamilton local 1916, absolute clown show. Ive made more money ever since I got fired for taking side work to pay my bills after working 10hrs/week for years at the union... Wish I could have those years of my life back. Total waste. I recommend anyone considering to just find LITERALLY ANY OTHER COMPANY to work for.
After working non union for 10 years I can now say I’m a proud Union Worker, I’ll never go back to working non union jobs again. Best thing that’s ever happened to me 💯
For those that quit a union job for a non union job because of politics, environment, etc should not do so in my opinion. Unions give you lots right now but the huge benefit is when you are able to retire. Don't sell this short. YOU WILL RETIRE ONE DAY. Don't give up these benefits for short term issues. You and your family deserve the benefits of the union and union retirement.
They do because dog fuckers with a year more seniority watch them work the entire day and any lead hands with less seniority or favorites to that lead hand get to watch a higher seniority worker do all the work. Unions need to make sure all workers are actually working.
@@WD40318 cogs in the machine deserve dignity and a voice on the job. working class people contribute much more to society then investors and landlords
Admittedly, if the environment is that bad it's fine to stop. Let yourself have some dignity and make sure your health, mental or physical, is alright. Though in that case just ask to move somewhere else in the union.
That all sounds delightful. How bout when you run out of unemployment and the hall still isn't calling for anything but a 2 week job here, 3 months off again, another 3 week job there, 6 months off again.......... The union doesnt pay bills. They make empty promises
You haven't obviously been apprentice passed around....they dont teach anything ..plumbers are morons ..that's why they make little money even at plumbers 68...because they busy being greedy and screwin their help in their backs...even the old heads wont let a new guy get a chance because they are afraid they will lose their own job. Unions suck ..they dont fight for brothers ...its all for one .that's why I make more money than they do an hour now ..good luck with the screw over trade..and btw my scores is class were high 98s....I'm surprised the school didnt call me back about it. Have fun with othon and all the other weirdos there.
@@bigdaddy1240 Man what a dick. Every job no matter how little, Is vital! The world is like a cog in the machine. Plumbers are their to fix up your sink, toilet or other appliances. Without them Billions of dollars in damages would be happen every year. Just like people that take our trash. Without them we would have to drive are trash to landfills or let it stack up infront of our house. You have no appreciation for what hard working people do for us on a daily basis. Also plumbing is not that easy to learn one false move and that sink/toilet is done.
I was in the teamsters for 30 yrs. I'm not getting a big pension but it's way better than nothing. I was in a safer work environment than non-union all that time. The pension was part of my pay. The union gave job protection, seniority rights, good medical, all that. They (company or union) don't owe me a thing because I even liked my job. But I always thought they should offer training. In skilled trade unions there's apprentice, journeyman, master levels of accomplishment with pay commensurate. And a do it right the first time attitude that benefits everyone. Non union pay is generally about 75% of union pay not counting benefits. Which would you rather do knowing your gonna stay in that job? Unions are better for the working man period.
I used to work at a job for 5 years never got a raise and one day they laid me off because "money issues" and I recently got a job in a union my God is it the best to know I'm covered and got job security no more bullshit of my job pushing me around like a slave. Unions for the win. I love knowing that my family will be taken care of
My dad is 70 years old I've always loved him telling me stories of his time I think I've learned more about jimmy hoffa from my dad than history. The best part about my job is I work with a lot of older people and I'm 19 but I feel like I'm already experienced because I got more experienced people to help me. Jobs are so much easier when you work with much more experienced people because they know ways to make it easier.
I'm a part of gen z but my God I love to work my goal is to be as hard working as my father. I don't know what I'll do when I retire because if by the time it's Sunday I want to go back to work. How will I handle years of just sitting around I don't know how my generation can be so lazy I can't even watch a 1 hour movie without feeling like a unproductive piece of trash.
@@TheJFKExperience1963 Nobody likes working for multinational companys that can sometimes barely manage to pay enough to pay bills, the way you should look at it- your parents worked so hard so you wouldn't have to work half as hard. You should be able to focus on what you want instead of having to work a job to afford your survival. The wealthy have been screwing people over on pay for a generation and now people are okay with embracing the longer working hours for lower pay. Its this terrible "grind" mentality that has been shoved down the children of the workers throats just so the owners can keep the lumpsome they have accumulated through decades of exploitation of their fellow man.
@@raymonds.9021 the commentary above mentioned he was 19 and in a union. You can make decent money and not work long hours. You right you should do what you want and for some that's starting a personal business. However starting your own business can take just as many hours as working a grind job. The difference is with your own business you get self-satisfaction in what you're doing. While working some jobs for long hours makes you feel like a mindless zombie.
I am an older guy, I have worked both, there are pros and cons both ways. With non union it depends largely who you work for. I know non union guys that have worked trades with the same family run shop for years and they are treated well and paid great. Of course there are shops that are run by greedy people, hey, no chains on your butt, quit and go to someone who will treat you right. Some guys love the union and the union's training is awesome. I just don't like the feeling of being 'owned' and the threat of them cutting off my retirement if I do something they don't like. I have seen some ugly stuff come from it. That's why I studied hard, got my license and did my own thing.
I've always wanted work somewhere where I could help people and make a difference. Earlier this year I landed a job at a hospital and happens to also be unionized. Didn't know there were such great benefits to them! Such a great surprise
Aflac is bs, I'll tell ya that much right now and the weekly cost doesn't justify the micro print stipulations they impose. That's why I cancelled, complete waste of money. PTO, not all employers offer that. Workman's comp doesn't help when you return to work and get fired for a made up excuse...happened to me when I twisted my ankle, down for 3 weeks, came back, second day fired for insubordination even though all I did was due my job as normal and didn't even speak to anyone yet. Then I got fucked over when trying to get unemployment. That said, Unions are BS too. I know a guy who hurt his back,. An old woman bumped into a huge roll of carpet, he pushed the carpet out of her way to save her and hurt his back. The union argued he shouldn't have tried to save her, so it was his own fault and he got screwed.
I think unions can be good, depending on the company and field of work. There still are some non-union companies that pay as well with benefits. While pensions are good to have, some still could run into difficulties paying the members due to corruption or mismanagement of funds. This has happened occasionally in the past, just ask some teachers. I was under a union years ago, they didn't do anything for us while I was a member for 10 years, so not all unions have benefitted their members. I'm not bashing unions as a whole, but don't be mis-led by a 3 minute video.
Thing about unions, when you join as an apprentice, your not even allowed to complain and you have to go where they tell you, even if it's 70 plus miles away from your home and you have to work, even if it's costing you your paycheck just to stay where you are working, and they don't ever explain shit to you, unless you specifically ask, not only that but the dues are a very large chunk of your paycheck. and if your new to working and don't know what your doing, well then your real screwed. Cuz if you don't pick up the trade real quick, you'll find yourself out of the union only after a week or two after starting work. Worst still, if they send you somewhere where you have to wait around a lot like a nuclear plant as your first job. You ain't picking shit up quick and will quickly find yourself out of a job and out of the union. They fire people from unions just like people get fired from companies. Really, they are just overblown companies that simply rent their workers to other companies, pretending to be all worker friendly by mimicing the old guild structures. But are more similar to the companies which they seem to hate and "protect" their workers from. When in reality, they don't protect the workers, they protect themselves as an organization in the same way companies protect themselves. I saw a guy who was being constantly drug tested every day by a company, and did they union do anything. Nope.
I worked for a union state job in Texas and moved to Colorado and when I moved I was getting paid 3 extra months because I had time built up from not calling in a lot and because it was salary I didn’t need to worry about hours when calling in for anything it was the same rate of pay either way and I had a retirement that I didn’t add any money in that had 5k it kept me going till I could find work I haven’t worked a union job since then but I would def like to find one again
If you are a union member you owe it to yourself and your family to learn your legal rights within a union. Study and know your union constitution and bylaws. Participate in your unions' affairs and do not let yourself be intimidated by union officials. Your local's LM2 annual financial report is available online that tells you what your union officials are making as compensation. You can sue your union for failure to represent you. And learn the truth about right to work, and non-right to work. You are NEVER legally required to join a union in either a right to work state or non-right to work state, to work for an employer. It is the biggest myth in employment in the United States. Good luck.
I wanted to know does union protect those who has child support debts? My bf has been working about a month now and got 2 paychecks already but child support haven’t garnished his check yet.
I see the mental health of workers is increasingly deteriorating due to many conditions. I see little effort but words with no practical solutions. I see workers feeling ostracized from their labour because they feel they are nothing but a replaceable cog in a machine. I've become more involved in my union to try and bring awareness to the needs of modern workers. A democratic workplace would be most ideal, but that is not achievable with the current ruling class holding the reigns of power. By becoming more involved, I hope to be able to empower my fellow worker and help us regain some dignity, pride, and connection to our labour. Solidarity.
How much you guys make a week net? Currently 3 years at a factory making 1500 a week net on 4 12 hour days. How much is your checks after taxes. I need motivation
Look up the union site u want to join there should be a phone number an address its not hard to join if u go to ur loacl office an pay dues to join an start training
Been working for the largest non union company in the southeast for 6 years. Haven't had a raise in 3 years. They started hiring illegals so I'm going union. I'm blessed. Local 92 offered me 90% of JIW wages for the first 480 hours. Can't wait to see where this takes me
The illegals thing is at.a point of no return. We need a healthy amount of migration to fill jobs but not the shit we are currently seeing. It's out of fn control.
MPB Mason yeah try being a black guy in the laborers union in Chicago. Irish and polish guys got the unions on lock, they get jobs for their cousins and buddies they grew up with. Not fair
I was raised around heavy equipment growing up and was running machinery for my uncle and father from age 10 on up. I've worked for the union and will only say this. The union steward brought me in on an existing job laying water main. First day had me dig around a group of fiber-optics that were a tough dig and when I finished ....you guessed it they laid me off!!! Union operators from what I've seen all talk a good story but I've yet to find one skill wise that will match up to a common sense non- union operator that has been in the seat not the classroom. And as far as pay and benefits after 35yrs operating for the same.company I'll put my pay stubs up against any union stub any day. If you go union best of luck I'm your career, as long as we keep quality employees in the industry it will be a future for anyone looking to find a challenge
gunfighterdrummer Whatever trade you’re wanting to be in: electrical, plumbing, welding, etc. look up the union hall and go ask them about their apprenticeship. There’s a local or two in every state.
It depends on the employer and job. There are many employers that work with unions with many types of jobs from custodians to school teachers. I hear alot of pros and cons about unions.
It's not that bad. I just started mine . I got 5 years to go with the plumbers . Just take everything serious , do your job and handle your school work and you'll be cool
Unions are probably the closest thing to egalitarianism we will have in US. They protect workers from the top down extractive structure of bosses and wage labor. They are very good.
As a unskilled new worker, a union job will pay you more because the union keeps the pay of older, high skill workers pay lower than normal. A negative or positive depending on how you look at it is your work will be judged by how a managers "feels' about you, regardless of you productivity or other employees satisfaction with you. It benefits a union employee manager that his employees all hate each other so they aren't focused on him, so the manager will lie about you to other employees so you fight each other. Union employee managers are made up of the employees that where most hated. Unions are a great system for Karens.
Yeah, it comes to the pros and cons. They take some money out of your pay check to support the union and you get these benefits. Then on the other side what if you don't like the union your with? And they become scumbags to you?
Just started a union job 5 months in I'm 26 I go in everyday work my ass off more so than other guys that have been there maybe 2.years it was no big deal until the company loses 3 contracts so there laying off 10 people total found out I'm one of them so I got no job come the 24th so I still gotta go in to work with these guys who just do enough knowing there safe unions don't promote hard work and dedication...they promote laziness
Right to work is the best thing that's happened in my industry. It opens up lots of jobs where I don't have to be forced to join the ranks of lazy, unproductive, entitled bitches.
@@mikehunt2190 It’s so sad to see how effective the anti labor propaganda movement has been in this country. Literally turned the working class into drones fighting against their own self interest. You can’t even reason with these people because the wall of irrationality is too thick.
Those jobs that are non union are good in small towns but in nyc when there are locals making 60 an hour plus pension and medical and plenty of work is a no brained to stay union
Union Yes! if you are being paid fairly by a non-union contractor it is prevailing wage or Davis Bacon act. That is why you are getting good wages, those wages are set by UNION. If the UNION didn't do their job you would NOT have those wages. If you are receiving prevailing wage you are getting the whole nut, no pension, no annuity, no health! Do a little more research before you try to Union bust.
Jason MacIsaac the union bosses ass is on the line & thier workload is generally more shitty. I’ll take my fair wage & be happy. I got a 12$ an hour + medical + vacation raise just by going union. Same exact job. But now I pay 30$ a month and put stickers on my hard hat
I’m good with being nonunion. All the unions around me are trash. I get pension, 401k, medical/dental and many other great benefits. Most unions by me don’t even provide a pension or 401k. This year we’ve had many union workers join our team. I worked union for a few years happy every day that I left. Making nearly triple what I was making union. Ive been with my current company for 2 years started out doing traffic then laborer now equipment operator. They already wanna move me up to a foreman. Climbing the latter quick.
What's the purpose of the Union? If you can go out, start your own business by your own insurance and start a royh I. R. A. Now you're in control of your own life. So if something fails, the only person to blame is you.
@Jordan DiPrizio How do you calculate "worth"? Why are some things "worth" more than others? All in all, DEMAND is what factors in worth. And how is "demand" calculated? By how much of the product is available, and how many people want it. If a group of people decide to pool their money together to buy a tour bus, then that's their business, as long as long as that transaction is voluntary. Likewise, if a group of private sector labor workers decide to unionize, then they too have the right to do so, as long as those interactions are voluntary. But ofcourse, corporatist cons "like progs" hate voluntary transactions...
I know people at the GM were production workers topped out at 14 dollars an hr. But when the news media talked to GM according to them they were paying 75 dollars an hr if you added benefits. Well there benefits were around 5.25 an hr on top of there wage, so how they come up with 75 dollars an hr to tell the media no body knows. Unless they add everyones wage in the office, the supervisors, and operating cost on top of they there is not way. So don't believe everything you here the media say about the unions.
I don't like my union. I work at Safeway for years and I quit for two years and during those two years I never had a job that didn't pay less then $10 per hour. Now I'm back at Safeway and I'm only $9 per hour without any benefits just as I left it.
If you know people you are golden.......but theres 300 guys that dont have connections that are just crap. or any of them are good... screwed. you will get the guy with connections.... 12 years...screwed completely...'i challenge any argument.... I will really tell the truth then.
I am in the local 17 sheetmetal union, my first 15 were non my first company was great but pay was shit for my 9$ I started at busted my fukin ass for years 9 years later laid off for first time ever so then I went to a huge mechanical company kicked ass there and took our bonuses didn't say shit so me and 2 other top commercial sheetmetal Guys and said see ya joined union now half of them guys are sitting at home cause we slow but if you bust your ass and work harder the those around you will stay working and they hate me for it but we r all suppose to be brothers? I don't agree you can't trust no one
That's funny. You just made the case for union representation as you stated you use the union scale to determine wages! This is almost always the case with nonunion scab shops and businesses. Had it not been for the hard fought union negotiations, scab employers would be paying substandard wages. Nonunion scabs take a free ride with better benefits only because unions laid it on the line for those benefits. Next time you take a break or lunch, or use your medical bennies, or take a paid vacation or sick leave, just find a union member and say " Thank You". Contrary to popular employer rhetoric, there are NO federal requirements to give you breaks, lunches, vacation, sick leave, pensions, or 40 hour work weeks. Employers can work you straight through with impunity without a union contract. You can be a nonunion employee of 25 years with a nonunion company with a perfect record but due to your age you have begun to slow down a bit, without warning and under current labor laws the company fires you siting poor performance, what recourse do you have? The answer is NONE. At least with union representation you have a resource to fight back. Again, if you work nonunion and like what you have, find a union member and thank them, because without them you wouldn't have squat! You owe unions that much!! Better yet, organize.
Unions protect lazy workers, and they make projects way more inefficient, waste your time with stupid meetings and make you pay union dues. I find working for small companies to be better, they rely on you, high turnover rates are no good for small places, I have a pension plan and a blue cross card that covers medical and dental to a certain amount.
plus union was on a 6 month furlow. most union electricians in my area were out of work for half the year while my men were working steady making more money then union pay scale plus benefits and no union dues. and we put out much higher quality work then the union does. most of my work in the past year has been fixing big union shop contractors mistakes. millions of dollars in back charges and legal litigation they could have just gotten it done cheaper and right the first time of they went non union.
Non union workers work twice as hard and fast for half the money. It's no supprize these places are closing up by the day the last few decades. How can an employer keep paying you $43.00 per hour when Joe puts out twice as much work in half the time with higher quality for $20.50?! Better stay in Chicago, New York, Boston, LA etc..... Country Cowboys don't give a shit you are tired and lazy......MOVE YOUR FUCKING ASS.....NOW!!!
What kind of horse shit is this! Unskilled trades people means untrained workers who generally pick up a partial skill or learning from OJT. Union workers are true skilled trades workers because of their certified training and test-out skills along with serving as an apprentice prior to becoming a Journeyman in every since. Higher CHEAPER quality labor is nothing more than a well known employer farce !
That's funny. You just made the case for union representation as you stated you use the union scale to determine wages! This is almost always the case with nonunion scab shops and businesses. Had it not been for the hard fought union negotiations, scab employers would be paying substandard wages. Nonunion scabs take a free ride with better benefits only because unions laid it on the line for those benefits. Next time you take a break or lunch, or use your medical bennies, or take a paid vacation or sick leave, just find a union member and say " Thank You". Contrary to popular employer rhetoric, there are NO federal requirements to give you breaks, lunches, vacation, sick leave, pensions, or 40 hour work weeks. Employers can work you straight through with impunity without a union contract. You can be a nonunion employee of 25 years with a nonunion company with a perfect record but due to your age you have begun to slow down a bit, without warning and under current labor laws the company fires you siting poor performance, what recourse do you have? The answer is NONE. At least with union representation you have a resource to fight back. Again, if you work nonunion and like what you have, find a union member and thank them, because without them you wouldn't have squat! You owe unions that much!! Better yet, organize.
Thats hilarious because I work at a open shop, every electrician that's worth a shit here went through the 5 year union apprenticeship. We are the biggest contractor in the county with over 220 employees, besides getting all the big contracts because we are the safest and highest quality workers, we also do lots of service stuff, which is 60% fixing the shit non union "electricians" fuck up and leave.
That case is very True in Nevada and that's how it is in every trade. Not only is it hard to get in the union, but the work is not steady. And to get in and to stay in. It's not about who you know anymore. It's about who you blow.
@Nightingale point being you are just someone's bitch and you have to spend your free time going to bullshit meetings or picketing when you could be home with your family.
Standard King Better than being someone’s bitch who kisses the toes of their masta. By the way, don’t be spending to much time with your family, might have a check waiting on you. “Whateva it takes boss!”
Yeah and they account for $1 from you wage for an entire week. Considering union members make on average 18% more than non-union, I’d say that’s fair since it covers your pension, retirement, and insurance for your entire family.
The reality is...... non union pays tou a realistic wage ....... union bend over to employee demands...... in what reality does the worker holdnthe whip hand on the owner... the worker takes no risk but demands so much
Ok so I’ve worked non union as a cement mason and carpenter. Getting paid $35/h I’d have $1,400/$1,550 flat with taxes deducted already. Worked 40 + hours around 5 to 10 hours over time , of course I was getting paid half time after 8 hours and after 10 hours double. Had full coverage insurance by the company, over 450 employees . Now after I went Union , was paying my union dues of $85 a month . Now union salary at $47/hour as a journeyman carpenter making $1,950 per week 40 hours no over time . I’d get left with $1,250/$1,300 after . From almost making $2k per week goes down to $1,250 . Now where in the fuck does those $650+ dollars go to !?! The union is just a greedy ass mafia group . I have way much more money in my bank now than when I was union . And I still have my 15min brake at 10 am and my 30+ minutes at lunch and my last brake at 2 pm . The union was way more over kill . Never been laid off from work not once . Only when it rains of course . We even get paid higher wages when the company sends us to work on certified jobs like union .
Junior Gonzalez Junior Gonzalez every perk you just mentioned only came to fruition because of unions. 1.Your wage...is piggy backing off of the Davis-Bacon Act which only happened because of organized labor (unions). 2. Your breaks... unions Its ironic...You're taking a snapshot in time and talking about all of these perks that are better. When in actuality the people who pay you want to pit union and nonunion against each-other, Break it all apart, and then take a giant crap on the bacon davis act so they can ship people from all over the world to do your work for $15hr. Not $35. Your wage it not possible without unions. Its a regional perk because of the unions you slander Take a look at the big picture before you make foolish statements. Its chess not checkers...and the working man union or nonunion is screwed if they don't organize.
Junior Gonzalez do you actually think you would be getting all that if your company wasn’t competing with the union? Wether you work union or non union the wages/benefits and safety is set by the union. Worked non union as a machinist for $20 an hour with minimal benefits/pension and no job security. Joined Millwright union, served apprenticeship and now make over $40 an hour with gold plan benefits and pension, double time after 8 hours and weekends. Do the math and you’ll see why I’m a proud Union worker who doesn’t complain about paying dues.
The cons of unions are reasonable but non unions tend to be more exploitative and unpredictable. While unions are more simple and lay offs are a thing and depending on the industry they may be pretty bad.
Unions are great to protect workers from injustice but shouldn’t be exploited to protect the lazy. I have a strong work ethic and love my job but I hate the equality across the board; socialism In a nutshell. If I could, I’d fire three quarters of the people I work with due to incompetence/attitude/laziness. I refuse to take on the union attitude.
"but shouldn’t be exploited to protect the lazy." *Unions is the design for protecting a lazy workers at the expense of productive workers. Productive workers get better offers and leave unions.*
slofool but I didn't ask them to...nor do I want them to. I look out for my own bennies... should be personal preference no forced like it's trying to become in U.S.
arnan540 So you’d rather take money out of your own check and put towards your pension rather than, have money put to your pension along with your check? Yeah, you enjoy that buddy. I’ll go hit the road and get $11 put towards my retirement along with the $44.68 I’ll make an hour.
Non union I'm a welder make 17 a hour and work way harder and more hours than union don't be a iron worker unless your union.....if you go my route you will be a slave
Union, and non union have layoffs.. differance is non union your new job pays ?? Compared to the old one?, Your health care starts over, your 401k plan changes and doesnt follow seamlessly vs being in the union. your wages are set so your lifestyle doesnt change, your medical is intact , your 401k and PENSIONS are uniterupted. Plus in union you get free schooling from apprentices to journeyman to learn new skills all free at the hall.. non union cannot offer near a union package..
Retirement! You want a fancy car or toys right or do you want to retire early and travel I was none union I was good money but toys come and go I don’t want to be and old men and still be welding and. E in pain every morning when I get up to work
When I was young, you had to have daddy to get you in to the union. I never found a way and I did just fine in life. Matter of fact, I make about double what a union man does. When you have to be worth the money, you become far more skilled.
My husband is a union worker has been for over a year.... It's funny how ppl talk crap bout union workers.. Cuz hes still working an busting a*s an still works harder then any non union worker would ever think bout.... His loacl 1319 STRONG
This is how ignorant Democrat Union people really think. Notice how shallow their reasoning truly is. It's easy to look around at the people actually working and add up the wages and benefits that they have. What's not so easy is to look across the landscape of a community, or country and figure out how many people are left without a job because of the artificially high wages. I have watched this over the last 30+ years as a UAW member. Every contract we got raises, more stringent work rules, more classifications, better healthcare, except of maybe one or two. After every contract another plant would close down sending thousands into the unemployment lines. Tens of thousands if you look at all the second tier jobs that were lost along the way. But yet the Union, with all honesty could still say that Unions workers that were working make more than non union workers. Ford UAW membership was cut in half during my 30+ years. That's half people!! Tens of thousands of Union members that are no longer. So in reality I should take my wage and divide by two to show you the real numbers. Oh sure I'm making good money. But my fellow union brother who lost his job is making ZERO money. So 30 bucks an hour dwindles down to 15 just like that. I always found it funny I would get a 3% raise and the Union would agree to a 6% speed up of the line. Crazy!! I've notice in a few of the comments below mentioning the Davis Bacon act. The last thing I would do is bring up is that law. It has it's roots in racism and should be repealed immediately. I just love the way Union people can tax the holy dog crap out of a man making 15 bucks an hour so that he can make 50. No brains and no heart.
Democratic unions fault? What a moron dberg! Unions didn't push automakers out of the us, the illustrious government spear headed by the Republican'ts money machines sent jobs out of the country and sky rocketed cheap imports, that's what happened to the job here shit head. Ironic that someone enjoying the benefits of negotiated benefits and retirement could be so blind. You obviously never took time to understand how many Brothers and Sisters gave their lives for the organized labor movement at the hands of greedy, ruthless murders hired by the major employers. Please give your benefits and retirement to folks that will appreciate and use them. Feel free to leave this great working class country at any time, glad to pay your fare to Pakistan or Iraq you ungrateful wretch!
Union workers did get outbid by other countries in many sectors especially in the Auto industry. But mostly because big corporations were controlling the international trade agreements. I don't believe in these ham-fisted tariffs, but big corporations are basically running the country I mean without doubt anymore but I have seen union workers in my generation who were of color which helped them buy a home and get stability and send their kids to college. We don't need to take opposite positions on everything we just need to use it a finer tool when we are balancing trade and unions. For instance Uber drivers really don't want to unionize but unless they do they're not going to have any voice at all when it comes to replacing them with self-driving cars. Unions have a lot of political power so that corporations don't go buck-ass wild.
36yrs old. From non union to UNION a week ago! Just finished my 1st week and THANK YOU BIG GUNS UPSTAIRS (JESUS). THE BEST CARPENTER EVER! ICONIC. Local 687 M.I
I use to work nonunion for 10 and I goin union 3 years ago and I made more money in those 3 years so there's a big difference in my bank account
It's normal in anything to be paid more for having 13 years of experience because of increase skill over that time. Unions a low average salary, so unskilled employees make more and skilled employees make less than the average.
Most union workers I see stand around all day doing nothing watching 1 guy work. I say ban unions.
@@SilentCheechGaming1991 😭Hater. Go Union.
@@SilentCheechGaming1991 that’s usually public sector,in the trades in field construction if you don’t perform you are on the first layoff,we call it weeding the garden or getting rid of the dead weight
@UCDGaiJgTb6AHqBj1SKx41JA ahh yes and get fucked by every company wanting to pay you less so they can make more, fuck off
My dad worked non union for 29 years and they dumped him as he neared retirement. They got rid of anyone with 10+ years with the company
Walmart does the same thing. Back in 2004 we got a new store manager and within one month he fired everybody that had been with the company for 10 years or longer. People that were making between 15 and 20 bucks an hour which was good money back were terminated for that reason alone. And once they were all fired within a couple weeks he hired a bunch of new people for like 9 bucks an hour.
Here in the U.S. the decline in union membership goes hand in hand with the decline of the middle class. I’ve been in three separate unions , retiring after 40+ years with the Carpenters. Keep the flame burning brothers and sisters!
This is 2023, not 1963 and we compete in a world market. Look around your house or office, can you find anything made in the USA? I was UAW in my youth and I just told you why I and several thousand others lost high-paying jobs in York PA over 30 years ago. Eventually, unions collectively bargain their jobs away. Hello? I just wasted 2 minutes, didn't I?
@@1Skeptik1 nah I see this. UAW isn't perfect by a long shot, but I've personally seen wages increase by well over 50% in one year (plus several other added benefits) because of them. And you're right, unions make products more expensive. But, if we don't go with Unions, companies will screw you everyday to Sunday. Companies used to have 2 options on what to do with money they made. Reinvest, or increase wages. Now they can do stock buybacks, meaning they can lower their stock price to dirt, then buy up all the shares. No need to raise wages anymore.
You won't trick me into working 10hrs/week, paying dues, having my benefits witheld, getting insulted, underpaid, endangered, and stolen from just so I can pay for your retirement. Sorry boomer. I make waaaay more working non union than I ever did working union. I have way more fun too 😉
@@CptObviousKyle bruh, the unions ARE THE COMPANIES SCREWING YOU EVERYDAY TILL SUNDAY. they just wolves in sheep's clothing 🐺 🐑
SPOT ON!!!
I joined local 130 plumbers and was with a service shop. Worked 25 hours a week so I went to another service shop. Then was laid off because I didn’t “ fit in” with the guys who drank at the shop. Then was denied unemployment and now don’t have insurance benefits. Thank You 130 for all you do.
Not all unions are like that, but yes some are truly terrible.
@@AK-47ISTHEWAY I hate unions and will never go with one, I’ve worked 3 union jobs and none have ever given a damn about no matter how much we complained.
@@burntmario Was under a union for 10 years, and there were a number of union boys who were slackers and always played the system. The union rep lied to me, claiming the pension is better than the 401k the company was offering. I will get a small pension when I retire, but in no way does it compare to my 401k, which has reached a very nice 6 figures. To each his own.
I think it depends. I have a friend who is a union member with the painters and they honestly don't care about their workers. It really does depend.
This was my experience too, Hamilton local 1916, absolute clown show. Ive made more money ever since I got fired for taking side work to pay my bills after working 10hrs/week for years at the union... Wish I could have those years of my life back. Total waste. I recommend anyone considering to just find LITERALLY ANY OTHER COMPANY to work for.
Best thing that ever happened to me....joining the Labour's Union Local 183 Toronto Ontario
Feel the power , LiUNA 1059 🤙
After working non union for 10 years I can now say I’m a proud Union Worker, I’ll never go back to working non union jobs again. Best thing that’s ever happened to me 💯
Why is that? I'm interested in becoming an ironworker
@@MPerly Good luck lollll
You will succeed in the union because you have a grateful attitude
I've been non union for the last 3 years. I start in liuna on thurs
@@frankmfeb13
Take your union membership seriously. Congratulations
I hope you have a great career
For those that quit a union job for a non union job because of politics, environment, etc should not do so in my opinion. Unions give you lots right now but the huge benefit is when you are able to retire. Don't sell this short. YOU WILL RETIRE ONE DAY. Don't give up these benefits for short term issues. You and your family deserve the benefits of the union and union retirement.
They do because dog fuckers with a year more seniority watch them work the entire day and any lead hands with less seniority or favorites to that lead hand get to watch a higher seniority worker do all the work. Unions need to make sure all workers are actually working.
Yeah work somewhere until you are 65 then start living? I say stop being a cog in the machine and invest you money and buy real estate.
@@WD40318 cogs in the machine deserve dignity and a voice on the job. working class people contribute much more to society then investors and landlords
Admittedly, if the environment is that bad it's fine to stop. Let yourself have some dignity and make sure your health, mental or physical, is alright. Though in that case just ask to move somewhere else in the union.
That all sounds delightful. How bout when you run out of unemployment and the hall still isn't calling for anything but a 2 week job here, 3 months off again, another 3 week job there, 6 months off again.......... The union doesnt pay bills. They make empty promises
Retired Union Boilermaker 35 years of service,excellent pension,health and welfare,annuity I make more $$ a year retired than I ever did working
retired Ironworker way to go boilerstud me I get pension to stay home loving it
Unionstutionalized... plumbers local union 68 has been the best choice I've made.. Houston Texas..
You haven't obviously been apprentice passed around....they dont teach anything ..plumbers are morons ..that's why they make little money even at plumbers 68...because they busy being greedy and screwin their help in their backs...even the old heads wont let a new guy get a chance because they are afraid they will lose their own job. Unions suck ..they dont fight for brothers ...its all for one .that's why I make more money than they do an hour now ..good luck with the screw over trade..and btw my scores is class were high 98s....I'm surprised the school didnt call me back about it. Have fun with othon and all the other weirdos there.
p maurer shut up you pretentious moron. No one asked any of that shit, take your angry ass on somewhere.
@@bigdaddy1240 Man what a dick. Every job no matter how little, Is vital! The world is like a cog in the machine. Plumbers are their to fix up your sink, toilet or other appliances. Without them Billions of dollars in damages would be happen every year. Just like people that take our trash. Without them we would have to drive are trash to landfills or let it stack up infront of our house.
You have no appreciation for what hard working people do for us on a daily basis. Also plumbing is not that easy to learn one false move and that sink/toilet is done.
@@bigdaddy1240 looks like you didn’t want to put in any work maybe you would be somewhere if you weren’t such a lazy bitch
I was in the teamsters for 30 yrs. I'm not getting a big pension but it's way better than nothing. I was in a safer work environment than non-union all that time. The pension was part of my pay. The union gave job protection, seniority rights, good medical, all that. They (company or union) don't owe me a thing because I even liked my job. But I always thought they should offer training. In skilled trade unions there's apprentice, journeyman, master levels of accomplishment with pay commensurate. And a do it right the first time attitude that benefits everyone. Non union pay is generally about 75% of union pay not counting benefits. Which would you rather do knowing your gonna stay in that job? Unions are better for the working man period.
I used to work at a job for 5 years never got a raise and one day they laid me off because "money issues" and I recently got a job in a union my God is it the best to know I'm covered and got job security no more bullshit of my job pushing me around like a slave. Unions for the win. I love knowing that my family will be taken care of
My dad is 70 years old I've always loved him telling me stories of his time I think I've learned more about jimmy hoffa from my dad than history. The best part about my job is I work with a lot of older people and I'm 19 but I feel like I'm already experienced because I got more experienced people to help me. Jobs are so much easier when you work with much more experienced people because they know ways to make it easier.
I'm a part of gen z but my God I love to work my goal is to be as hard working as my father. I don't know what I'll do when I retire because if by the time it's Sunday I want to go back to work. How will I handle years of just sitting around I don't know how my generation can be so lazy I can't even watch a 1 hour movie without feeling like a unproductive piece of trash.
@@TheJFKExperience1963 Nobody likes working for multinational companys that can sometimes barely manage to pay enough to pay bills, the way you should look at it- your parents worked so hard so you wouldn't have to work half as hard. You should be able to focus on what you want instead of having to work a job to afford your survival. The wealthy have been screwing people over on pay for a generation and now people are okay with embracing the longer working hours for lower pay. Its this terrible "grind" mentality that has been shoved down the children of the workers throats just so the owners can keep the lumpsome they have accumulated through decades of exploitation of their fellow man.
@@raymonds.9021 the commentary above mentioned he was 19 and in a union. You can make decent money and not work long hours. You right you should do what you want and for some that's starting a personal business. However starting your own business can take just as many hours as working a grind job. The difference is with your own business you get self-satisfaction in what you're doing. While working some jobs for long hours makes you feel like a mindless zombie.
I am an older guy, I have worked both, there are pros and cons both ways. With non union it depends largely who you work for. I know non union guys that have worked trades with the same family run shop for years and they are treated well and paid great. Of course there are shops that are run by greedy people, hey, no chains on your butt, quit and go to someone who will treat you right. Some guys love the union and the union's training is awesome. I just don't like the feeling of being 'owned' and the threat of them cutting off my retirement if I do something they don't like. I have seen some ugly stuff come from it. That's why I studied hard, got my license and did my own thing.
Mike Fox where u did your training? Union or non union
Exactly, thank you.
it is what i needed thanks alot
The contract numbers are scary. I issue contracts and the numbers are upwards of 4 times a regular contract.....
Privatizing workplaces means less money made by the private sector workers! All right to work is right to work for less!
I hate living in the south lol....I wish I could handle the snow so I could move up north :@
@@kaibaCorpHQ Talked about a union at my workplace and first thing they ask is "Are you from Texas?". Yeah I really can't stand it.
I've always wanted work somewhere where I could help people and make a difference. Earlier this year I landed a job at a hospital and happens to also be unionized. Didn't know there were such great benefits to them! Such a great surprise
Much support for you union guys from a cwa member
Unions suck
BelZone I can tell you firsthand that they don’t.
If you hate unions lord help yourself if you cannot work due to an injury!
The workers united will never be defeated!
just dont get injured! kan u speel DUUUHHHHHHhHHH
Aflac is bs, I'll tell ya that much right now and the weekly cost doesn't justify the micro print stipulations they impose. That's why I cancelled, complete waste of money. PTO, not all employers offer that. Workman's comp doesn't help when you return to work and get fired for a made up excuse...happened to me when I twisted my ankle, down for 3 weeks, came back, second day fired for insubordination even though all I did was due my job as normal and didn't even speak to anyone yet. Then I got fucked over when trying to get unemployment.
That said, Unions are BS too. I know a guy who hurt his back,. An old woman bumped into a huge roll of carpet, he pushed the carpet out of her way to save her and hurt his back. The union argued he shouldn't have tried to save her, so it was his own fault and he got screwed.
What?! We have workman's comp u idiot! Some larger companies offer health insurance too! God damn yall are misinformed! Brainwashed. Use UR noggen man
Haha Unions mever lay people off 👌
To the members of IUOE, thank you for your hard from a UFCW union member.
Lol union workers suck
If you like and enjoy politics then you fit it good in unions. It works for some and it doesnt for some.
I think unions can be good, depending on the company and field of work. There still are some non-union companies that pay as well with benefits. While pensions are good to have, some still could run into difficulties paying the members due to corruption or mismanagement of funds. This has happened occasionally in the past, just ask some teachers. I was under a union years ago, they didn't do anything for us while I was a member for 10 years, so not all unions have benefitted their members. I'm not bashing unions as a whole, but don't be mis-led by a 3 minute video.
to each their own...
Thing about unions, when you join as an apprentice, your not even allowed to complain and you have to go where they tell you, even if it's 70 plus miles away from your home and you have to work, even if it's costing you your paycheck just to stay where you are working, and they don't ever explain shit to you, unless you specifically ask, not only that but the dues are a very large chunk of your paycheck. and if your new to working and don't know what your doing, well then your real screwed. Cuz if you don't pick up the trade real quick, you'll find yourself out of the union only after a week or two after starting work. Worst still, if they send you somewhere where you have to wait around a lot like a nuclear plant as your first job. You ain't picking shit up quick and will quickly find yourself out of a job and out of the union. They fire people from unions just like people get fired from companies. Really, they are just overblown companies that simply rent their workers to other companies, pretending to be all worker friendly by mimicing the old guild structures. But are more similar to the companies which they seem to hate and "protect" their workers from. When in reality, they don't protect the workers, they protect themselves as an organization in the same way companies protect themselves. I saw a guy who was being constantly drug tested every day by a company, and did they union do anything. Nope.
I worked for a union state job in Texas and moved to Colorado and when I moved I was getting paid 3 extra months because I had time built up from not calling in a lot and because it was salary I didn’t need to worry about hours when calling in for anything it was the same rate of pay either way and I had a retirement that I didn’t add any money in that had 5k it kept me going till I could find work I haven’t worked a union job since then but I would def like to find one again
The Union is very hard to get into. It's not about who you know anymore. It's about who you blow.
rastaewabeach really?
What union are you talking about
It's hard to get in but once you're in, you find out it's mostly hype.
@@whitecastle323 what you mean?
riconearand far he probably found out he has to pass a piss test & show up everyday
If you are a union member you owe it to yourself and your family to learn your legal rights within a union. Study and know your union constitution and bylaws. Participate in your unions' affairs and do not let yourself be intimidated by union officials. Your local's LM2 annual financial report is available online that tells you what your union officials are making as compensation. You can sue your union for failure to represent you. And learn the truth about right to work, and non-right to work. You are NEVER legally required to join a union in either a right to work state or non-right to work state, to work for an employer. It is the biggest myth in employment in the United States. Good luck.
If only the us wasn't so corrupt by giving these union mafias too much power
Union Strong Laborers Local 751 Kankakee IL. Say no to Right To Work!!! Skilled at skills to pay the bills.
I wanted to know does union protect those who has child support debts? My bf has been working about a month now and got 2 paychecks already but child support haven’t garnished his check yet.
Ho bag
It goes beyond better pay and retirement. Union guys carry themselves with more pride. UNION STRONG
OK meathead.
💯 pursint union all the way!! 18 year teamster local177
Teamster local 705
IUOE loc 115 Victoria BC member here
I retired from the union at 53 years old
I see the mental health of workers is increasingly deteriorating due to many conditions. I see little effort but words with no practical solutions. I see workers feeling ostracized from their labour because they feel they are nothing but a replaceable cog in a machine.
I've become more involved in my union to try and bring awareness to the needs of modern workers. A democratic workplace would be most ideal, but that is not achievable with the current ruling class holding the reigns of power. By becoming more involved, I hope to be able to empower my fellow worker and help us regain some dignity, pride, and connection to our labour.
Solidarity.
How much you guys make a week net? Currently 3 years at a factory making 1500 a week net on 4 12 hour days. How much is your checks after taxes. I need motivation
It means you can use a grinder without a guard.
Shelly C lol 😂😂
Lol
I’m trying to get into the IUOE. I’m going to school for engineering
Warning They are corrupt
Don't do it. Joining a union makes you job about who you know, not what you know
Anybody knows how can i entered to union construction??
Look up the union site u want to join there should be a phone number an address its not hard to join if u go to ur loacl office an pay dues to join an start training
Dos anyone knows any union number roofing. Or construction in Manhattan. Thank you ?
No ! It hard to find a Union in the city
Been working for the largest non union company in the southeast for 6 years. Haven't had a raise in 3 years. They started hiring illegals so I'm going union. I'm blessed. Local 92 offered me 90% of JIW wages for the first 480 hours. Can't wait to see where this takes me
The illegals thing is at.a point of no return. We need a healthy amount of migration to fill jobs but not the shit we are currently seeing. It's out of fn control.
I work a union job in illinois.. Everyone qualifies for public housing. Employee's are hungry by the end of the week.
Yeah...because its fu**ing easy to get and find a job in a union right?
Local 28 in NY is giving out applications the whole month of july.
Yeah it is. Go to the hall and sign the fu**ing book and take a call.
MPB Mason yeah try being a black guy in the laborers union in Chicago. Irish and polish guys got the unions on lock, they get jobs for their cousins and buddies they grew up with. Not fair
@@Nino_J unions fight for minorities
@@HaloDaycare we need unions in retail. Sadly there's none. Amazon badly needs unions
Unions pay the best. Hoping to get into Chicago rigging Union 🙏
I was raised around heavy equipment growing up and was running machinery for my uncle and father from age 10 on up. I've worked for the union and will only say this. The union steward brought me in on an existing job laying water main. First day had me dig around a group of fiber-optics that were a tough dig and when I finished ....you guessed it they laid me off!!!
Union operators from what I've seen all talk a good story but I've yet to find one skill wise that will match up to a common sense non- union operator that has been in the seat not the classroom. And as far as pay and benefits after 35yrs operating for the same.company I'll put my pay stubs up against any union stub any day. If you go union best of luck I'm your career, as long as we keep quality employees in the industry it will be a future for anyone looking to find a challenge
Not all unions are created equal
So what exactly is the first step to take? Do you join the union? Does it depend on your location, or your job description, company, qualification??
gunfighterdrummer Whatever trade you’re wanting to be in: electrical, plumbing, welding, etc. look up the union hall and go ask them about their apprenticeship. There’s a local or two in every state.
It depends on the employer and job. There are many employers that work with unions with many types of jobs from custodians to school teachers. I hear alot of pros and cons about unions.
Union ALWAYS!!!
not everyone makes it into the union and those that do not everyone works when they want to...
something to think about
What’s bad about the Union I’m new to this stuff
It's not that bad. I just started mine . I got 5 years to go with the plumbers . Just take everything serious , do your job and handle your school work and you'll be cool
Unions are probably the closest thing to egalitarianism we will have in US. They protect workers from the top down extractive structure of bosses and wage labor. They are very good.
As a unskilled new worker, a union job will pay you more because the union keeps the pay of older, high skill workers pay lower than normal. A negative or positive depending on how you look at it is your work will be judged by how a managers "feels' about you, regardless of you productivity or other employees satisfaction with you. It benefits a union employee manager that his employees all hate each other so they aren't focused on him, so the manager will lie about you to other employees so you fight each other. Union employee managers are made up of the employees that where most hated. Unions are a great system for Karens.
Yeah, it comes to the pros and cons. They take some money out of your pay check to support the union and you get these benefits. Then on the other side what if you don't like the union your with? And they become scumbags to you?
Just started a union job 5 months in I'm 26 I go in everyday work my ass off more so than other guys that have been there maybe 2.years it was no big deal until the company loses 3 contracts so there laying off 10 people total found out I'm one of them so I got no job come the 24th so I still gotta go in to work with these guys who just do enough knowing there safe unions don't promote hard work and dedication...they promote laziness
the union is for people that have the comfort of a job, i create my own in the plumbing world, im my own boss, period
Just joined the IWW myself. Time to start union building in my shoddy right to work state.
Right to work is the best thing that's happened in my industry. It opens up lots of jobs where I don't have to be forced to join the ranks of lazy, unproductive, entitled bitches.
@@alexandersheppard1997 spoken a like a rat scab. Probably mad you are only making 13 an hour and wish you made union wages.
@@mikehunt2190 It’s so sad to see how effective the anti labor propaganda movement has been in this country. Literally turned the working class into drones fighting against their own self interest. You can’t even reason with these people because the wall of irrationality is too thick.
I work in a non-union shop as a diesel mechanic they like to run the operation LIKE a union shop but no benefits
I came back after already being in I hired back in all my stuff was still on file
Those jobs that are non union are good in small towns but in nyc when there are locals making 60 an hour plus pension and medical and plenty of work is a no brained to stay union
Union Yes! if you are being paid fairly by a non-union contractor it is prevailing wage or Davis Bacon act. That is why you are getting good wages, those wages are set by UNION. If the UNION didn't do their job you would NOT have those wages. If you are receiving prevailing wage you are getting the whole nut, no pension, no annuity, no health! Do a little more research before you try to Union bust.
I'll Decide how i will best allocate money thanks.
john murphy is that extra 15 hours straight time?
john murphy is your company hiring? With that pay and those hours who would want a union.
@Jason MacIsaac because thr union bosses " work harder"
Jason MacIsaac the union bosses ass is on the line & thier workload is generally more shitty. I’ll take my fair wage & be happy. I got a 12$ an hour + medical + vacation raise just by going union. Same exact job. But now I pay 30$ a month and put stickers on my hard hat
Pharmaceutical jobs.... was told " walk around with a pipe" joke.
I’m good with being nonunion. All the unions around me are trash. I get pension, 401k, medical/dental and many other great benefits. Most unions by me don’t even provide a pension or 401k. This year we’ve had many union workers join our team. I worked union for a few years happy every day that I left. Making nearly triple what I was making union. Ive been with my current company for 2 years started out doing traffic then laborer now equipment operator. They already wanna move me up to a foreman. Climbing the latter quick.
Get a real job. Anti union propaganda!
Optic silence bowed walls...in such various places elsewise.
Union Strong!!
What's the purpose of the Union? If you can go out, start your own business by your own insurance and start a royh I. R. A. Now you're in control of your own life. So if something fails, the only person to blame is you.
I can't imagine being in the workforce without my union. Scary...
ya its scary being paid what your actually worth. scary scary
Jordan DiPrizio scary to think about how it's supposed to be
supposed to be what?? America a free market society and how thats bad??
More than half of this is bullshit. Let's see the video of the locals retirees.
@Jordan DiPrizio
How do you calculate "worth"? Why are some things "worth" more than others? All in all, DEMAND is what factors in worth. And how is "demand" calculated? By how much of the product is available, and how many people want it. If a group of people decide to pool their money together to buy a tour bus, then that's their business, as long as long as that transaction is voluntary. Likewise, if a group of private sector labor workers decide to unionize, then they too have the right to do so, as long as those interactions are voluntary.
But ofcourse, corporatist cons "like progs" hate voluntary transactions...
I know a non union worker that's made $100 an hour a couple times.
yeah a couple of times.
I know people at the GM were production workers topped out at 14 dollars an hr. But when the news media talked to GM according to them they were paying 75 dollars an hr if you added benefits. Well there benefits were around 5.25 an hr on top of there wage, so how they come up with 75 dollars an hr to tell the media no body knows. Unless they add everyones wage in the office, the supervisors, and operating cost on top of they there is not way. So don't believe everything you here the media say about the unions.
+old american motoxer a couple times? hahaha go union and u make your pay everytime none of this bs
blaine roberts I am proud and feel lucky to have my union job and would never want to work non union making less with half the benefits. I
Bet he worked for a close friend or family who loves them
soundtrack ? lol
Unions take your paycheck at the end of the day.
💯teamster i love it 18 years!!
I don't like my union. I work at Safeway for years and I quit for two years and during those two years I never had a job that didn't pay less then $10 per hour. Now I'm back at Safeway and I'm only $9 per hour without any benefits just as I left it.
work with aunion with balls not aunion that sucks management off
+brian mcintyre I totally agree with that statement. My local have alot of individuals who is in bed with management.
How much does a union pavement make??
Union's rock!
Local 49 operating Engineers!
If you know people you are golden.......but theres 300 guys that dont have connections that are just crap. or any of them are good... screwed. you will get the guy with connections.... 12 years...screwed completely...'i challenge any argument.... I will really tell the truth then.
I am in the local 17 sheetmetal union, my first 15 were non my first company was great but pay was shit for my 9$ I started at busted my fukin ass for years 9 years later laid off for first time ever so then I went to a huge mechanical company kicked ass there and took our bonuses didn't say shit so me and 2 other top commercial sheetmetal Guys and said see ya joined union now half of them guys are sitting at home cause we slow but if you bust your ass and work harder the those around you will stay working and they hate me for it but we r all suppose to be brothers? I don't agree you can't trust no one
Great video. One in all in.
The union is not a guaranteed job . If you fucken get the union they lay off workers . Damn
Unionsssss! Are those people insane? lol
That's funny. You just
made the case for union representation as you stated you use the union scale to
determine wages! This is almost always the case with nonunion scab shops and
businesses. Had it not been for the hard fought union negotiations, scab
employers would be paying substandard wages. Nonunion scabs take a free ride
with better benefits only because unions laid it on the line for those
benefits. Next time you take a break or lunch, or use your medical bennies, or
take a paid vacation or sick leave, just find a union member and say "
Thank You". Contrary to popular employer rhetoric, there are NO federal
requirements to give you breaks, lunches, vacation, sick leave, pensions, or 40
hour work weeks. Employers can work you straight through with impunity without
a union contract. You can be a nonunion employee of 25 years with a nonunion
company with a perfect record but due to your age you have begun to slow down a
bit, without warning and under current labor laws the company fires you siting
poor performance, what recourse do you have? The answer is NONE. At least with
union representation you have a resource to fight back. Again, if you work nonunion
and like what you have, find a union member and thank them, because without
them you wouldn't have squat! You owe
unions that much!! Better yet, organize.
Union STRONG,, local #104 sheet metal Workers Bay Area.. Top of the food chain!!
Union strong loacl 1319 to
Local#206 SM down in San Diego. Union 💪
Unions protect lazy workers, and they make projects way more inefficient, waste your time with stupid meetings and make you pay union dues. I find working for small companies to be better, they rely on you, high turnover rates are no good for small places, I have a pension plan and a blue cross card that covers medical and dental to a certain amount.
Unions need to compete on equal footing with the private sector. No more exception from antitrust laws
plus union was on a 6 month furlow. most union electricians in my area were out of work for half the year while my men were working steady making more money then union pay scale plus benefits and no union dues. and we put out much higher quality work then the union does. most of my work in the past year has been fixing big union shop contractors mistakes. millions of dollars in back charges and legal litigation they could have just gotten it done cheaper and right the first time of they went non union.
Non union workers work twice as hard and fast for half the money. It's no supprize these places are closing up by the day the last few decades. How can an employer keep paying you $43.00 per hour when Joe puts out twice as much work in half the time with higher quality for $20.50?!
Better stay in Chicago, New York, Boston, LA etc.....
Country Cowboys don't give a shit you are tired and lazy......MOVE YOUR FUCKING ASS.....NOW!!!
What kind of horse shit is this! Unskilled trades people means untrained workers who generally pick up a partial skill or learning from OJT. Union workers are true skilled trades workers because of their certified training and test-out skills along with serving as an apprentice prior to becoming a Journeyman in every since. Higher CHEAPER quality labor is nothing more than a well known employer farce !
That's funny. You just
made the case for union representation as you stated you use the union scale to
determine wages! This is almost always the case with nonunion scab shops and
businesses. Had it not been for the hard fought union negotiations, scab
employers would be paying substandard wages. Nonunion scabs take a free ride
with better benefits only because unions laid it on the line for those
benefits. Next time you take a break or lunch, or use your medical bennies, or
take a paid vacation or sick leave, just find a union member and say "
Thank You". Contrary to popular employer rhetoric, there are NO federal
requirements to give you breaks, lunches, vacation, sick leave, pensions, or 40
hour work weeks. Employers can work you straight through with impunity without
a union contract. You can be a nonunion employee of 25 years with a nonunion
company with a perfect record but due to your age you have begun to slow down a
bit, without warning and under current labor laws the company fires you siting
poor performance, what recourse do you have? The answer is NONE. At least with
union representation you have a resource to fight back. Again, if you work nonunion
and like what you have, find a union member and thank them, because without
them you wouldn't have squat! You owe
unions that much!! Better yet, organize.
Thats hilarious because I work at a open shop, every electrician that's worth a shit here went through the 5 year union apprenticeship. We are the biggest contractor in the county with over 220 employees, besides getting all the big contracts because we are the safest and highest quality workers, we also do lots of service stuff, which is 60% fixing the shit non union "electricians" fuck up and leave.
That case is very True in Nevada and that's how it is in every trade. Not only is it hard to get in the union, but the work is not steady. And to get in and to stay in. It's not about who you know anymore. It's about who you blow.
they are corrupt i was thrown out for challenging their ways Corrupt.
I heard you union boys gotta pay some union dues
@Nightingale point being you are just someone's bitch and you have to spend your free time going to bullshit meetings or picketing when you could be home with your family.
Standard King Better than being someone’s bitch who kisses the toes of their masta. By the way, don’t be spending to much time with your family, might have a check waiting on you. “Whateva it takes boss!”
Yeah and they account for $1 from you wage for an entire week. Considering union members make on average 18% more than non-union, I’d say that’s fair since it covers your pension, retirement, and insurance for your entire family.
The reality is...... non union pays tou a realistic wage ....... union bend over to employee demands...... in what reality does the worker holdnthe whip hand on the owner... the worker takes no risk but demands so much
The fellas at John Deere would have been completely fucked without their union
Ok so I’ve worked non union as a cement mason and carpenter. Getting paid $35/h I’d have $1,400/$1,550 flat with taxes deducted already. Worked 40 + hours around 5 to 10 hours over time , of course I was getting paid half time after 8 hours and after 10 hours double. Had full coverage insurance by the company, over 450 employees . Now after I went Union , was paying my union dues of $85 a month . Now union salary at $47/hour as a journeyman carpenter making $1,950 per week 40 hours no over time . I’d get left with $1,250/$1,300 after . From almost making $2k per week goes down to $1,250 . Now where in the fuck does those $650+ dollars go to !?! The union is just a greedy ass mafia group . I have way much more money in my bank now than when I was union . And I still have my 15min brake at 10 am and my 30+ minutes at lunch and my last brake at 2 pm . The union was way more over kill . Never been laid off from work not once . Only when it rains of course . We even get paid higher wages when the company sends us to work on certified jobs like union .
Junior Gonzalez
Junior Gonzalez every perk you just mentioned only came to fruition because of unions.
1.Your wage...is piggy backing off of the Davis-Bacon Act which only happened because of organized labor (unions).
2. Your breaks... unions
Its ironic...You're taking a snapshot in time and talking about all of these perks that are better. When in actuality the people who pay you want to pit union and nonunion against each-other, Break it all apart, and then take a giant crap on the bacon davis act so they can ship people from all over the world to do your work for $15hr. Not $35. Your wage it not possible without unions. Its a regional perk because of the unions you slander
Take a look at the big picture before you make foolish statements. Its chess not checkers...and the working man union or nonunion is screwed if they don't organize.
Junior Gonzalez do you actually think you would be getting all that if your company wasn’t competing with the union?
Wether you work union or non union the wages/benefits and safety is set by the union.
Worked non union as a machinist for $20 an hour with minimal benefits/pension and no job security. Joined Millwright union, served apprenticeship and now make over $40 an hour with gold plan benefits and pension, double time after 8 hours and weekends.
Do the math and you’ll see why I’m a proud Union worker who doesn’t complain about paying dues.
The cons of unions are reasonable but non unions tend to be more exploitative and unpredictable.
While unions are more simple and lay offs are a thing and depending on the industry they may be pretty bad.
Unions are great to protect workers from injustice but shouldn’t be exploited to protect the lazy. I have a strong work ethic and love my job but I hate the equality across the board; socialism In a nutshell. If I could, I’d fire three quarters of the people I work with due to incompetence/attitude/laziness. I refuse to take on the union attitude.
"but shouldn’t be exploited to protect the lazy."
*Unions is the design for protecting a lazy workers at the expense of productive workers. Productive workers get better offers and leave unions.*
@@LootHunt get a job and do nothing all day for good money, or be a corporate snitch like yourself 😂
So you're saying only a union worker is properly trained? Wroooonngggg!
No they are saying unions look out for your bennies.
slofool but I didn't ask them to...nor do I want them to. I look out for my own bennies... should be personal preference no forced like it's trying to become in U.S.
arnan540 So you’d rather take money out of your own check and put towards your pension rather than, have money put to your pension along with your check? Yeah, you enjoy that buddy. I’ll go hit the road and get $11 put towards my retirement along with the $44.68 I’ll make an hour.
LOVE MY UNION..LONGSHOREMAN DOCK WORKERS ARE A HUGE PART OF YOUR ECONOMY..TEAMSTERS AS WELL..WITHOUT THEM THIS ECONOMY WUD BE TO SHIT.
Local union 558 kcmo #unionstrong #glaziernation
Union everyday
Non union I'm a welder make 17 a hour and work way harder and more hours than union don't be a iron worker unless your union.....if you go my route you will be a slave
Lol union contractors love the unemployment too. More proud to be non union!
Jon Jones never had that issue.
Union, and non union have layoffs.. differance is non union your new job pays ?? Compared to the old one?, Your health care starts over, your 401k plan changes and doesnt follow seamlessly vs being in the union. your wages are set so your lifestyle doesnt change, your medical is intact , your 401k and PENSIONS are uniterupted. Plus in union you get free schooling from apprentices to journeyman to learn new skills all free at the hall.. non union cannot offer near a union package..
Almost 20 years in the union, I'm proud to be "Rat" !!???
Ali Smith Rat is nonunion...
Lol non union is a 🐀
union busters all the way
Retirement! You want a fancy car or toys right or do you want to retire early and travel I was none union I was good money but toys come and go I don’t want to be and old men and still be welding and. E in pain every morning when I get up to work
When I was young, you had to have daddy to get you in to the union. I never found a way and I did just fine in life. Matter of fact, I make about double what a union man does. When you have to be worth the money, you become far more skilled.
My husband is a union worker has been for over a year.... It's funny how ppl talk crap bout union workers.. Cuz hes still working an busting a*s an still works harder then any non union worker would ever think bout.... His loacl 1319 STRONG
And bet hes lazy
@@jrgd9083 I'll out work u any day
No he's a hard working man
Nah….
LOCAL 304B WARD MANUFACTURING BLOSSBURG PA. We were on strike. The state of Pa said we never received notice of strike. We will fight.
This is how ignorant Democrat Union people really think. Notice how shallow their reasoning truly is. It's easy to look around at the people actually working and add up the wages and benefits that they have. What's not so easy is to look across the landscape of a community, or country and figure out how many people are left without a job because of the artificially high wages. I have watched this over the last 30+ years as a UAW member. Every contract we got raises, more stringent work rules, more classifications, better healthcare, except of maybe one or two. After every contract another plant would close down sending thousands into the unemployment lines. Tens of thousands if you look at all the second tier jobs that were lost along the way. But yet the Union, with all honesty could still say that Unions workers that were working make more than non union workers. Ford UAW membership was cut in half during my 30+ years. That's half people!! Tens of thousands of Union members that are no longer. So in reality I should take my wage and divide by two to show you the real numbers. Oh sure I'm making good money. But my fellow union brother who lost his job is making ZERO money. So 30 bucks an hour dwindles down to 15 just like that. I always found it funny I would get a 3% raise and the Union would agree to a 6% speed up of the line. Crazy!!
I've notice in a few of the comments below mentioning the Davis Bacon act. The last thing I would do is bring up is that law. It has it's roots in racism and should be repealed immediately. I just love the way Union people can tax the holy dog crap out of a man making 15 bucks an hour so that he can make 50. No brains and no heart.
Democratic unions fault? What a moron dberg! Unions didn't push automakers out of the us, the illustrious government spear headed by the Republican'ts money machines sent jobs out of the country and sky rocketed cheap imports, that's what happened to the job here shit head. Ironic that someone enjoying the benefits of negotiated benefits and retirement could be so blind. You obviously never took time to understand how many Brothers and Sisters gave their lives for the organized labor movement at the hands of greedy, ruthless murders hired by the major employers. Please give your benefits and retirement to folks that will appreciate and use them. Feel free to leave this great working class country at any time, glad to pay your fare to Pakistan or Iraq you ungrateful wretch!
Union workers did get outbid by other countries in many sectors especially in the Auto industry. But mostly because big corporations were controlling the international trade agreements. I don't believe in these ham-fisted tariffs, but big corporations are basically running the country I mean without doubt anymore but I have seen union workers in my generation who were of color which helped them buy a home and get stability and send their kids to college. We don't need to take opposite positions on everything we just need to use it a finer tool when we are balancing trade and unions. For instance Uber drivers really don't want to unionize but unless they do they're not going to have any voice at all when it comes to replacing them with self-driving cars. Unions have a lot of political power so that corporations don't go buck-ass wild.
better training is better productivity man hrs. that's where we win
Canadian Family workers should be able to work any job that is tax money founded. with out join the union.