This was a bad time in my life. I was one of those laid off employees. Luckily my layoff only last 7 months. Hard to believe that was 12 years ago, the time from then has literally flew by. The service cuts then cause mass confusion and frustration. But New Yorkers are resilient and we dealt with it like champs.
This also eventually caused MTA Long Island bus to become NICE bus after having their own cuts in 2010 and Nassau county (being the retards they are) not wanting to pay for the great services provided for them by the TA. Then a few years later, NICE started cutting their routes also due to lack of proper funding and closed down a Depot as well (which guaranteed said cuts) in 2017.
Oh I remember this even though at the time I was getting ready to move to upstate Ny for a little bit so I wasn't even in the city for most of the 2010s
In regards to the G train . I have lived in Greenpoint all my life and I would try to take the g to 67th avenue where my friends lived. From when the v train came into existence until the 2010 service cuts the g was notoriously known to never run to 71st continental. Every week there was a service disruption that truncated the g at court square at night. The g to me in essence was cut back when 63rd street tunnel opened to the queens Blvd line
I honestly forgot about most of these cuts for a while up until a few years ago. I also think the (M) train got an improvement from these cuts. I honestly can say that I never used this train before 2010 because it was so far away from me but that all changed after they switched it to orange, it's easy access to the (J) line too. The 4th Ave portion of the old (M) line can easily be replaced with the (W) line if they do decide to extend it there. I'm not sure if they'll bring back (G) service to Forest Hills, although that'll be cool to see, but with the MTA, you never know what they plan to do. I just hope that they can get more funding for themselves and to expand service for all the lines.
I would like to see the (G) go to Forest Hills-71st Ave again since it’s based out of Jamaica Yard and it can help out on Queens Blvd especially on Weekends. Not to mention, Crosstown will soon get CBTC.
The should run from Coney Island-Surf Avenue to Forest Hills-71st Avenue, while the (G) should run from Church Avenue to Court Square. The new IND Ocean Parkway Line should serve the [G].
@@TMC_BC It's because I propose rerouting the [M] & [R] to the IND Northern Boulevard Line. The & [V] should run local on the IND Queens Boulevard Line.
The only reason I can think of when people want the V service to return is because they are V line foamers despite the Orange M being way better when it comes to revenue service oh ya BTW good morning
G to Queens Blvd is nice, but a better use of resources would just be to run the M's full route 24/7! And I am 100% in favor of extending the W during rush hours.
If the W were to disappear again, it would only be noticeable amongst the the Astoria residents because it really doesn’t have any independence. It always shares a stop with at least one line. I think everyone would like for the G train to return to Queens blvd. The M has always been Strange line. From back when it went from Brooklyn to Manhattan and back to Brooklyn. Now it comes almost a full circle from Middle Village to Forest Hills Queens which the two are not far from each other. The Q38 connects Middle Village to The Queens Mall at Woodhaven and I just want to know the point of that lol. I think the M would be a little more useful if (A) they went with the plan to send it to Rockaway Beach, or (B) travel with the F to 179 and hopefully extended further to the South east Queens transit desert area such as Hollis, Cambria Heights, QV etc.
All subway routes should have their own terminals! The should run from Bay Terrace-Little Bay Park to Bensonhurst-Bay Parkway, while the (D) should run from Norwood-205th Street to 9th Avenue. Only the should terminate at Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, while other routes should be rerouted. The should run to Coney Island-Surf Avenue on the IND Ocean Parkway Line, while the (G) should terminate at Church Avenue on the same line.
The only reason why the "W" exist is that the Brooklyn end of the "N" line does not need additional service. Unnecessary cost per ratio for an areas that doesn't need it. And how additional "N" service would impact both "Q" and "R" lines. The "W" also allows the "N" to serve as the express. And the most important thing about the "W", is that, because it ends in Manhattan, it is often the only one available along Broadway, when delays happened in Brooklyn. No other trunk lines is affected like this. The B/D has the F/M and than A/C lines. The 2/3 has the #1. And the 4/5 has the #6. Before the "W", there was nothing! Making this an extremely important line. Note: I hate that they switched the B/C northern terminals for this reason. Back in the day, they would send the "C" to the west 4th Street lower level to pick up "D" passengers going to the Bronx. Because the "D" and South Brooklyn trains were often delayed. They could use the "C" to Bedford Park.
@@qolspony yeah with that being said, the W can be seen as a great support or back up for Manhattan service if the others such as the N, Q and R trains get stuck in Brooklyn and also allows for the N and Q to run express (especially the Q being so fast) But on days where there’s no delays aren’t the R and eventually the N (from Canal Street) already running local up to 59th street? I just checked right now and there aren’t any Ws running. And when I ride the 4/5 lines and listen to the transfer announcements at 14th street and maybe even 59th street, I noticed they leave out the W. They never put updated the announcements ever since the W was put back in the system. But unfortunately should they any time decide to cut a couple of lines, the W might be among the first to go. And I agree, I don’t like the northern terminus for the B and C. That’s great that they sent the C to the lower west 4th street platform for the D passengers, and it makes most sense since the B and C eventually run local together between Columbus Circle and 125th street. Yeah a great terminus for the C would be Bedford Park, but then the A would need to make those 2 local stops between 145th street and 168th street. Either way, ending the B train at 145th street doesn’t give it much value.
@@calvinkendrick851 Indeed. The "Q" is not only fast, it is the most important line in South Brooklyn, because of the amount of people who use it. As for "W" service, it only exist because of the popularity of the northern leg of the "N" line. If that should ever become unpopular or passengers find a better alternative, like building another train line in the area, than it's probably here to stay. I also agreed with your statement about the B/C lines. We don't even have to go back far in history, to prove this as fact. During the dark days of the NYC subway system, both the B and C were rush hour only services. There use to be a line called the "AA" (eventually turning into the "K" because MTA new rules against double letter signage) that offer what they classified as "parttime" service. It simply meant that it did not operate during rush hours, nights (12a/6a), but it operated o the weekends. It was so bad that it uses only 60ft 4 car trainsets. So passengers who weren't position correctly, were seen running for the train, even if they were already on the platform. But at least reliable and fast, I guest. Because of this arraignment, this forced the "A" to make that long local trek along Fulton Street Brooklyn. The Dark days of the NYC subway. And often times, people would joke about flying out of JFK and getting to their destination faster than the "A" train. And often times certain passengers would use the JFK express just to cut their commute time. Which is probably why the service exist as long as it did. When the MTA decided to extend the hours of the "C" and "B" services (note: there was a 6th Avenue to 57th Street all day weekday service, while another B served Central Park West local to 168th Street rush hours as a 6th Avenue Express), they 1, they greatly improved the running time for the "A", which became the express and 2, they made the JFK useless. Before this change, living on both the Lefferts Blvd and Far Rockaway end of the line I could attest to how frustrating this was. But Lefferts Blvd at least gave me an option, without paying an extra fare that I did with the LIRR. Because I lived between the "A" and "J" lines (I was a little closer to the "A" line) , I could opt for either or. I prefer the "A" during rush hours. It was the express. I could get a seat during rush hours, because I was at a terminal station. And never really got that crowded. But outside rush hours was dreaded. So the extra walk that I needed to make from the "J" train station was worth it. Because I could get a faster ride with the "E". I was so lucky to have been living in this area at this time, because it hadn't been long since they connected the "E" with the "J" (1990/2). Anyway, to make a long story short, from an operation standpoint, they switch the terminals. The B/D uses the same car sets. And just like they terminate the "B" at 145th Street, they did the same with the "C". But as already mentioned, the difference was operational flexibility.
The only one I could see coming back is the G to continental. It's no longer based out of CIY. It's back at Jamaica Yard since it's all 160s now. With cbtc and close running trains on Queens Blvd I could see the G running to Continental since the M ends early.
@@synacol_werj It's also going to make more of a one seat ride! People in Queens are terribly served & need many subway extensions like this. We also need an IND Northern Boulevard Line to parts of northeastern Queens. The IND College Point Line serving the [M] & [R] should be built. The {MJ} route should make a comeback & run to College Point. The & [V] should make up for the reroute. The [R] should run express on the IND Northern Boulevard Line.
@@subwayfan200 Exactly, & the [M] should serve the IND Northern Boulevard Line. The [R] should also serve the IND Northern Boulevard Line & run express. The [M] should run local.
Yes, I use to take the G to Queens college on the weekends. It made a huge difference coming from Brooklyn. I miss the G going to Continental on weekends.
Return the G to 71st & Continental. Those local 4 track stations are ghost towns and worse on weekends. The weekend wait times can be brutal, I've literally taken the train back to Roosevelt just to catch the E or F.
They should do this for weekend service on the G line, since it wouldn't result in a crowded terminal at Forest hills without the M. Don't know why this isn't a thing yet when it benefits the lack of service on the QBL line during weekends
Also with the population boom in Williamsburg, Greenpoint, Long Island City and Astoria it would move people better between Qblvd and the waterfront neighborhoods previously mentioned. As far as the W is concerned it should go to Kings Hwy Sea Beach instead of 9th Ave west end(Weekdays Only). Kings hwy has a tower and dispatcher office to turn trains during GOs. Therefore it'll take pressure off of Murphy and Stillwell towers and the W would be an asset when queens blvd blows up and messes up the R service.
The [W] should run to Staten Island via the BMT 4th Avenue Line, BMT West End Line, BMT 15th Avenue Line, BMT 86th Street Line, & the Verrazano Narrows Bridge.
The brown M, I believe used to run as an express, on West End, where the D, N and R currently run. It interlined with the B, which used to run where the D runs today when it goes off West End. It terminated at 9 Av., I believe, if I'm not getting the station wrong, and Bay Pkwy. during rush hours. It did not do this in 2010, but it did go to Bay Pkwy. during rush. I also think you should do a video on duplicate subway lines (Orange and yellow B for example) and more content like this on periods of major changes, (9/11, Manhattan Bridge Reconstruction, Coney Island Reconstruction, if that counts etc.). Got that idea from another commenter.
M train use to stop at 9th av during non rush hours and only extended to bay pkwy during rush hours but still ran local along west end line. Dont remember when but not sure if after or before it terminated at 9th av, it would terminate at chambers st. I do miss the brown M though, it helps because D train is always crowded...
I think west end express service would be extremely beneficial to any south Brooklyn rider. Especially that south bound D trains run quite slow starting from 36th street. The above ground tracks have a middle track and wouldn’t interfere with any other service on west end for peak direction express. This express service would cut commute times heavily for southern Brooklyn riders. Could you imagine a train that can get you from bay parkway (3 stops from Coney Island) to Manhattan in about 20-25 minutes?
Simple de interline Manhattan bridge. N to Brighton express. B south bound sea beach express, north bound via west end express. Send D to sea beach local and send J to bay ridge and R to west end. Swap R and W in queens
@@Bombardier2199 The [B] & [Q] look great together on the BMT Brighton Line. The [W] should run to Staten Island via the BMT West End Line, BMT 15th Avenue Line, BMT 86th Street Line, & the Verrazano Narrows Bridge. The should run to Staten Island via the Bay Ridge Tunnel. The should run terminate at Bensonhurst-Bay Parkway, while the (D) should terminate at 9th Avenue. The should run to Staten Island via the BMT West End Line, BMT 86th Street Line, & the Verrazano Narrows Bridge, while the (B) should terminate at Brighton Beach. The should terminate at Manhattan Beach-MacKenzie Street, while the (N) should terminate at 18th Avenue. The should terminate at Seagate-West 36th Street, while the (Q) should terminate at Newkirk Plaza. The should terminate at Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, while the (F) should terminate at Ditmas Avenue.
Bring back the brown [M] but run it in a different route. The brown should run from Dyker Beach Park-86th Street to Bronx Park, while the brown (M) should run from Fort Hamilton Parkway to College Point-5th Avenue. The should run from Forest Hills-71st Avenue to Coney Island-Surf Avenue, while the (G) should run from Court Square to Church Avenue. The should run from Stuyvesant Heights-Bainbridge Street to JFK Airport-TWA Hotel, while the (V) should run from 2nd Avenue to Jamaica-Atlantic Avenue.
I had just gotten out of the Army when these cuts and changes were implemented and to be honest it’s not until this video that I even remembered the V train existed. I just thought I was a bit confused when I can back and the M route looked longer. For all their flaws the M and L bring me extreme feelings of nostalgia. I grew up near Myrtle Wycoff.
That was a worse time in my life when the (G) was premium to Court Square Long Island, the Nassau Street (M), (V) and (W) Train's being discontinued. But the (W) was back in November 7th, 2016. 6th Avenue (M) is fine because ridership has been growing than the Nassau Street (M).
I like this! I live on QBL, so a lot would have changed for me. Also, I think you should do one on 9/11, and The Manhattan Bridge Reconstruction (Like Yellow B/D, N via local).
The G being extended back to Forest Hills would definitely aid local service on the QBL especially at late nights when the M and R services are cut back.
The 2010 Cuts for me were interesting. I actually loved the idea of merging the V and M Trains but then the downside was 4th Ave getting screwed. 4th Avenue needs a second local in my opinon and I feel like Every other W should serve it. The removal of the W train and turning the N Local was horriby misguided and the G cutback was even more shortsighted.
That additional local service should be the [W], as it should run to Staten Island via the BMT West End Line, BMT 15th Avenue Line, BMT 86th Street Line, & the Verrazano Narrows Bridge.
The V train was vaporized and the W train was wiped out, though the W was returned in 2017. The Z train was originally set to be zapped but it got saved.
Great video as always, Mystic! May i offer a video suggestion on the work train rolling stock? i love seeing the old redbirds that got converted into work trains and the rolling stock specifically made for work!
This would be fascinating content, especially if he delves into power sources, and when and where each work train can be used depending on the situation (ie, a red tag lock out, tunnels with limited ventilation, etc.).
Being a West End user since I was a kid, I would of enjoyed an extra express service on the D line. But come to think of it, West End is not that long, compared to the Culver Line or the Sea Beach lines, so it would of been a waste.
Service cuts are never good and this period of time sucked but the one good thing out of it was the M Train. I never used the M as much as I have since it’s gone over to 6th Ave. I hope that the G Train makes its way to back to QBL one day, especially since they’re putting CBTC on that line and they already have R160’s on them. Time will tell but i pray that the MTA can get itself together financially to make that a reality so that you won’t have to do another video like this one again.
@@TMC_BC Not necessarily as the much of that was due to construction work on the Myrtle Avenue Line to prepare for the Canarsie Line reconstruction, not the 2010 change in service pattern. It is noted that M ridership has grown since the 2010 change with the line seeing a 53% increase in ridership. As of now, there’s no demand to bring back the old service.
@@TMC_BC Thats not related to the 2010 service change that took the M off Nassau, but rather other factors. And even then, it may not be true as the MTA stated that M ridership has been rapidly growing since the 2010 service change and the line is often at 90% loading capacity guidelines. In 2016, by the time they studied having F trains go express in Brooklyn, the peak frequencies on the M route were increased and it has been expected that the routes frequencies would be raised again in the future.
I think that having two (G) trains would be confusing. But having the (G) run to Forest Hills 24/7 would be a good idea (during late nights i think the (E) should still run local). Having only one local line on Queens Blvd during weekends and late nights is a horrible idea, especially because Queens Blvd is severely overcrowded. Having the (G) go to Forest Hills would solve a lot of these issues.
IMHO, the W should take over the former brown M route in south Brooklyn. The current M is very good, but doesn't live up to its full potential. IMHO, it should run to Forest Hills 7 days a week.
I'm sure the MTA wants to run it 7 days a week, but it barely has enough operators to do weekend service, even with other more important lines. At one point, they had called me all the way to Brooklyn to run the M weekend service between Metropolitan and Chambers, and it was only me and another guy running the service for about 8 hours. Literally, just back and forth. 😭😭😭.
Goodmorning sir. The G had gotten Cut in 2001 if I'm mistaken when The MTA had made the V to relpace the old F Train witch use share the Queens Plaza and 23 Ely ave aka Court Sq Stop Lex 53 st and 5ave 53 st with the E back in days. But once The MTA had switch The F-train to run along 21 st Queens Bridge 🌉 st R.I and 63 st lex and 57 st 6ve line and it switch back to normal run down 6 ave . The MTA needed more service to help out E line and R sense The G got cut and F got rerouted. They Made changes to M line also the M use to from Metro ave and Queens to Board st Manhattan or at Rush hours it use to go to Bay Park Brooklyn along 4 ave line. But The MTA had cut that. But M still serves where V use go but accpet the second ave subway st in Manhattan. But like old V it only gose along to 71 ave during the week days like the old V. Use to why cant the Train go to Second ave like V . But on weekends And yes the M just like the and J/ Z can only use 8 subway cars due to Willamsbrug Bridge 🌉 and due to sharp turn along there routes. Now for Buses lines that got cut maybe when city dose the Nyc Bus make some might up coming back. But this what MTA should do to the M train 🚉 . Extend it to 179 st in Jamaica to let the go Exp.
I think the M could be created into a loop it could improve service frequency and for me I need to get to forest hills a lot and I live at myrtle avenue so it could be nice
Good idea I have thought about it to I agree because if you want to take a train there you have to go to the G and take that back over to court square and switch back to the M
@@apersonwithoutaidentity8471 thats true especially by queens blvd. However there's other projects in queens that will have more impact like interboro line or even the reactivation of the rockaway line that can connect with the queens blvd and a/ rockaway shuttle
I read the Wikipedia the reason why the V got discontinued because the M live longer than the V. The V got discontinued due to budget concerns in 2010, sadly I miss the V has a kid you never know the Mta will discontinued another letter.
One service change because of the budget cut occurred on the Staten Island Railway. From 2001 until 2009, SIR trains ran to the Richmond County Bank Ballpark (Now called SIUH Community Park) during days that the Staten Island Yankees played home games at the stadium. However because of you know what, the station was shuttered in 2010 and when he only way to get there was by walking from the Saint George terminal to the stadium or by taking one of the buses from St. George to the stadium for the game. While renovating and reopening the station for service to the ballpark during events is probably not the most feasible decision for the MTA to make as it is located within walking distance of Saint George, it surely would be an interesting edition, especially now since the new Staten Island FerryHawks of the Atlantic League started play earlier this year. If the MTA decides to provide dedicated transportation to the stadium during special events, a bus service that makes a few stops around the Saint George neighborhood before terminating at the Stadium would probably be the most viable option.
Til this day, i keep wondering if the East Side Access was a good decision to follow through with considering other less cost effective plans we could've indulged in.
To be fair, before the V got eliminated, I think there were talks about having the V get extended pass 2 Ave to Church Ave and have the F run express all day. This would of allowed the G to get extended to Church Ave along with the V. I could think if this did happen like around 2007 or 2008, then it would of been like this; F - Culver Express(Jay St-Church Av), except late nights and weekends. Local stops in Brooklyn during late nights and weekends since the V was only a weekday line G & V - Culver local I’m not sure if they would of reopened the Bergen St lower level, but if that were the case, then it probably would of had to lead to making the entire Bergen St station(Upper and Lower level) fully accessible. Tell me your thoughts anyone.
I honestly can’t imagine the V running to Church Ave along with the G; it would basically be the G if it went to Manhattan, but along a different path. I’d prefer the V instead running along with the F all the way down the Culver Line to at least Kings Highway.
I think the G returning to Queens Blvd is a great idea. However, instead of having it terminate at Continental Avenue, I would prefer the G to instead run to either Jamaica Center or 179 St. The W should also be extended to Brooklyn full-time, however instead of sending it to West End my preferences say it should run to Bay Ridge - 95 St instead. If we’re talking about extra service along West End, I propose Z service being cut completely between Jamaica Center and Chambers Street. The Z can instead regularly run between Chambers Street in Manhattan to Bay Parkway. The J can serve all stations in Brooklyn and Queens while also eliminating skip-stop service.
I really wish to see the V return. The MTA was able to resurrect the W, but it sadly hasn’t done the same with the V. I think if they were to bring the V back, they would have it terminate with the F at Jamaica-179th Street in Queens, and then have it run along the 63rd Street Line, rerouting the F to run with the E on the 53rd Street Line like it did in the 1990’s. Its southern terminal station would be 2nd Av, but on rush hours it’ll run to Brooklyn, where after Jay Street-Metrotech, it’ll split off from the F and run on the Fulton Street line as a local train with the C, terminating at Euclid Avenue. With Euclid Av as the V’s terminal station during rush hours, the C would be extended to Lefferts, replacing the A. I honestly thought it was odd how the C was completely enclosed by the A, so I would like to see the C split from the A and have its own terminal station at Lefferts Boulevard. As for the M? I don’t know. I guess for the time being they should reinstate the pre-2010 M service.
There also could be some rush hour express, through I don't think we are going to see that. The (V) also used to run in Brooklyn with the (A) at one point via Fulton St. Local terminating at Euclid.
I don’t see any point on returning the V and sending it to Euclid. All you’re doing is causing massive delays on the A/C and F. Y’all only want the V to return just for the sake of a nostalgia moment. Sorry but at the end of the day, it’s all about what’s beneficial for MTA and the passengers when it comes to getting from point A to B.
The brown [M] should be its own route. The should run from Bronx Park to Dyker Beach Bark-86th Street, while the (M) should run from College Point-5th Avenue to Fort Hamilton Parkway. The [Y] should run on the rebuilt BMT Fulton Street Elevated Line. The should run from Crotona Park-Wilkins Avenue to Island Park-Austin Boulevard, while the (Y) should run from 149th Street-Grand Concourse to Springfield Boulevard. The should run from Inwood-215th Street to Freeport-Mill Road, while the (C) should run from Inwood-215th Street to Ozone Park-Lefferts Boulevard. The should run from Stuyvesant Heights-Bainbridge Street to JFK Airport-TWA Hotel, while the (V) should run from 2nd Avenue to Jamaica-Atlantic Avenue. The should run from New Hyde Park-Lakeville Road to Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, while the (F) should run from Jamaica-179th Street to Ditmas Avenue. The should run from Throgs Neck-Schurz Avenue to Tottenville-Hylan Boulevard 24/7, while the (B) should run from Bedford Park Boulevard to Brighton Beach 24/7. The should run from Clearview-Willets Point Boulevard to Co-op City, while the (K) should run from Euclid Avenue to Fordham Road. The should run from Bay Terrace-Little Bay Park to Bensonhurst-Bay Parkway, while the (D) should run from Norwood-205th Street to 9th Avenue.
@@bennythepenny5831 Okay now chill! You’re making things way too complicated for the MTA! Not ever subway line needs a Diamond bullet. All you’re doing is just causing massive pain and delays to the system. No need for double lettered routes again. The 70 & early 80s are over. Why do we need the brown M if it wasn’t beneficial enough from the beginning. We don’t need anymore M trains. Sorry but these ideas are just a mess and will definitely cause a lot of more problems.
The G train extension would really help Brooklyn to LGA, which is rough right now. Combine or simply Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza (and of course extend the Astoria line to terminal B).
I would definitely like to see the brown M train come back because express service in Brooklyn to bay parkway an plus when I'm on the R train an I see that tunnel were the M connects with the R It just brings back great memories.
Bringing back the Brown M would be a complete waste of resources and will not benefit any rider whatsoever, especially with other options available in Brooklyn and the popularity of Midtown service for Northern Brooklyn residents. If anything, they should just decrease J train service to allow for more M train service to operate.
@@TheRailLeaguer Yeah but the orange M train is a waste too cuz all is doing is going from queens to queens so that doesn't make sense at all so yeah they definitely should have kept the brown M train it made more sense.
@@Jay2Fire42 That’s not really true as the Orange M is not really a waste as well. And besides, just because it goes in a loop from Queens to Queens doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense. There are numerous rail lines built similar to that method. For example: the Washington DC Red Line goes from Montgomery County, Maryland, goes though Washington DC and loops back though Montgomery County ending a few miles from where it started. Despite this, you’re not complaining about it and the Red Line is one of the most heavily used lines in DC.
@@TheRailLeaguer Yeah I hear what you saying but were not talking about other trains from other places were talking about the NYC subway. An imma stick too what I said which is the orange m doesn't make sense cuz it makes a loop from one part of queens to a another so I feel they should have keep the brown M train it was better.
@@Jay2Fire42 That still doesn’t invalidate the argument. Besides, you saying that current M route is useless is like also saying the DC Red Line is useless, despite both lines being heavily used seeing increased ridership. Also the shape of the line does not determine if the line is a waste or not. Despite the M being a “loop”, ridership has increased by 53% over much of the two decades, except in late 2017-early 2018 when service was disrupted to prepare for Canarsie Line disruptions. In contrast, ridership on the Brown M and service to Lower Manhattan and southern Brooklyn in general has stagnated or even declined (no wonder the MTA planned to decrease J train service to make room for more M train service). As a result, the new change is a success. Perhaps as a compromise, what they can do is to not bring back the Brown M, but rather decrease J train service to make room for increased M train service. Service will operate at 14 trains per hour, similar to the F train. This will allow for additional M train service to operate between Manhattan and Brooklyn. On weekends, M trains will continue to operate as a shuttle between Metropolitan Avenue and Essex Street. However, some trains will continue along the Nassau Street Line to Broad Street, and then along the 4th Avenue Line to 95th Street. But here’s the catch: south of Essex Street, trains will be pick-up only northbound and drop-off only southbound, stopping only at Chambers Street and Broad Street. Between Broad Street and Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center, passengers will not be allowed to ride. Oh the trains will be stopping at all stations and the doors will open, but only transit workers and cops will be allowed to ride between the points. South of Atlantic Avenue, M trains will be pick-up only northbound and drop-off only southbound, stopping only at 36th Street, 59th Street, 86th Street, and 95th Street. An alternative option would be to operate this via the West End Line to Coney Island-Stilwell Avenue, stopping only at Bay Parkway. This will allow for 4th Avenue riders at select stops to ride to/from Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center, where riders can transfer to the 2, 3, 4, and R trains to Lower Manhattan. All the benefits of the Brown M, but without the waste.
On the Lexington Avenue line they abandoned the Worth Street and 18th Street stations for extensions of the Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall and 14th Street-Union Square stations, the City Hall Loop station was abandoned due to trains derailing before the station I believe. The 91st Street station between 96th Street and 86th Street on the 7th Avenue line was closed due to extension of both the 96th Street and 86th Street stations. The South Ferry Loop station was closed due to the new South Ferry station opening but 2 years after they had their grand opening at the new South Ferry station they reopened the old South Ferry station due to Sandy and reopened 10 years later and so they reclosed the old South Ferry station. The old City Hall station on the F line was closed for whatever reason. The old 42nd Street station on whatever line that was on was closed for whatever reason they closed it. On Metro North the 138th Street station was closed and taken down due to the New York Central Railroad being discontinued. The East 59th Street station on Metro North was closed to become a private station. The Highbridge station was closed to become an employee station. Etc
3:43 You have a misspelling (TSW 3 community UK based Misspelt) there for Astoria Dickmars it's correct name is Queens Astoria Ditmars Blvd as said by N,Q,R & W trains announcer Catherine Cowdry the MTA equivalent to HMA Train Sim World Helga Bayertz DB BR423. For the W train why not give it R211Ts during the Rush Hours extended to 86th Street Sea Beach Line via 4th ave local or end at Bay Parkway West End line like the Brown M. One thing that the Orange M train offers over the V train is that you can avoid the 59th st IRT East Side Line OOS to 63rd St for F train. In that situation stay on the 6 train then get off at 51st for M train for 6th ave bound passenger. My Mom did this routing 6 train to 125th from Buhre Ave 4 or 5 trains to 86th st from 125th st then 6 train for 86th-51st for M train. Disadvantage of the M train is that from 71st ave to Myrtle Ave the Q38 is the shorter way to go between the two G to QBL can work during the Late Nights because most local riders will stuff the E train late night local from 45th Road Court Square to Forrest Hills 71st ave due to no M & R train local service weekends help the R train due to no M train service. G train late lights this will need R211T 4040
Another change was the change of the overnight service on the A Line to Lefferts Blvd and the Rockaways. I was a conductor on the Round Robin which was from Euclid Ave. to Rockaway Park. Then to Far Rockaway. Finally back to Euclid Ave This was back in 1983. The TA has turned the Lefferts Blvd. train to become a shuttle from Euclid Ave. to Lefferts Blvd. and back. The A Train now runs all the way from 207 to Far Rockaway making all the stops which is about 2 hours one way!
The G train should be put back onto Queens Blvd- 1. Weekend service on QBL sucks! 2. Nights it’s at least a 20 min wait for a train Additional service on the D line would be great in Bklyn via Montague Tunnels whether it’s sending a few Z trains during rush hour or permanent service. It would allow for the D train to run on time throughout it’s line. It takes forever to catch an express train on 6 Av
The V is sought of don't miss, because as much it was an okay service, jus terminating at 2 Av only messed it up...if they would've extended V into Brooklyn AT LEAST on rush hours, maybe Church Av, as well, it might still be there... W used to have an identity crisis during the Stillwell Av rehabilitation time until, 2004...I'm glad it's back(wasnt a fan of the Q to replace the W to Astoria)..But I think they should extend the W to Brooklyn on rush hours as well, yea there's limited service early morning and late evening beyond Whitehall St, but the 4 Av Local is horrible on rush hours.. That brings me to the M...they right that the ridership sucked during its Nassau/Montague connector days(rush hours), but I used to ride that service alot between Manhattan and South Brooklyn lol...no lie I missed it, but I'm glad of the Orange M service....Still would like to see one day, Nassau/Montague connector restored...maybe the J to 9 Av on rush hours???? The G was already in bad shape during the "V train era" cuz once the 63 St connector opened, shifting the F to 63 St full time, it was gon be really tough for the G during evenings, weekends and nighrs
Why MTA had Budget Cuts in first place????? Other Cities around the world increases Budget on Public Transport for example London and Paris and Berlin and Melbourne and Sydney etc……. Why United States of American Government Hate Public Transport so Much!!!! And Budget Cuts in 2010’s No other Non American Cities had Budget Cuts in 2010’s ?????
Just to put it out there, the main reason why these cuts happened was the 2008/09 recession was hitting at its worst & transit systems were not immune in any way from getting financially hit.
On 74st broadway on the 7 train hudson yards bound platform you will find a sign that shows the other trains that stop at station showing the V and the G trains
I miss the "" on West End. The headways down there for the "D" are pretty bad. I feel that with population growth the service would be more appreciated. The "G" on QBL would be a great improvement.
Train frequencies in the D route can be increased, and that’s without bringing back the M on West End (and thus negatively impacting service between Northern Brooklyn and Midtown Manhattan). One of my favorite alternatives is adding two new switches south of 36th Street between the local and express tracks. Then swap the D and R routes south of there so that the R route goes via West End and the D makes local stops to 95th Street. The W would then be extended from Whitehall Street to Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue via West End. Switching the route on West End from the D to the R would provide extra service on the West End Line, while D train see ice would provide faster service between Bay Ridge and Manhattan.
Mystic I used to love and support your videos until I saw you commented on a gangsters page! Don't support WTAE gangsters even dj hammers don't like them!
Nice video. Btw I say for the W at 3:20 to build the red hook extension. It will cause the least interlining and allow people living near the proposed extension to have a direct link to Manhattan without detouring through Downtown Brooklyn. Down side is that extensions are expensive and that this shouldn’t be a priority.
@@TMC_BC I agree with that! I don’t see any positives on using the W for an extension to Red Hook when it can help out the R in Brooklyn. The 1 train is a better option. If possible call me crazy but we can bring the 9 back(minus skip-stop service) and that can run from Van Cortland Park 242 St - Red Hook on weekdays, except late nights and weekends. I would make the 1 terminate at the South Ferry loop(if it’s possible to reopen it) and during late nights and weekends, it can run to Red Hook replacing the 9 at those times. Or plan B; just extend the 1 and don’t bring the 9 back. I like plan A even though it seems a little over the top on returning the 9.
I think when it comes to an extension to Red Hook, that role should be given to the 1. If anything, I’d like to see the W be extended via a new branch to Brooklyn, connecting to Court Street (currently the New York Transit Museum. The museum can be relocated to a newly constructed replica of the station next to the current one, if possible), before having it run to Hoyt-Schermerhorn Streets, where it’ll meet up with the A and C, and run local with the C up to Euclid Avenue, where it’ll terminate. The C can be extended to Lefferts Boulevard, replacing the A.
@@VinceHere98 I think the W can just be killed, with de-interlining as the alternative. The Rockaway Branch would be abandoned from Rockaway Blvd to Broad Channel, and LIRR service would continue to Rockaway Park, once those tracks are reclassified. A trains will only terminate at Lefferts.
This was a bad time in my life. I was one of those laid off employees. Luckily my layoff only last 7 months. Hard to believe that was 12 years ago, the time from then has literally flew by. The service cuts then cause mass confusion and frustration. But New Yorkers are resilient and we dealt with it like champs.
Service cuts were across the nation.
Respect to you Man. I hope I don't have to go through this experience as a operator, but if it does happen, I hope I'm as strong about it as you. 😎💪
@@qjtvaddict Really? I did not know that.
This also eventually caused MTA Long Island bus to become NICE bus after having their own cuts in 2010 and Nassau county (being the retards they are) not wanting to pay for the great services provided for them by the TA. Then a few years later, NICE started cutting their routes also due to lack of proper funding and closed down a Depot as well (which guaranteed said cuts) in 2017.
Oh I remember this even though at the time I was getting ready to move to upstate Ny for a little bit so I wasn't even in the city for most of the 2010s
In regards to the G train . I have lived in Greenpoint all my life and I would try to take the g to 67th avenue where my friends lived. From when the v train came into existence until the 2010 service cuts the g was notoriously known to never run to 71st continental. Every week there was a service disruption that truncated the g at court square at night. The g to me in essence was cut back when 63rd street tunnel opened to the queens Blvd line
Nah the W part says Astoria Dickmars 💀😭
I honestly forgot about most of these cuts for a while up until a few years ago. I also think the (M) train got an improvement from these cuts. I honestly can say that I never used this train before 2010 because it was so far away from me but that all changed after they switched it to orange, it's easy access to the (J) line too. The 4th Ave portion of the old (M) line can easily be replaced with the (W) line if they do decide to extend it there. I'm not sure if they'll bring back (G) service to Forest Hills, although that'll be cool to see, but with the MTA, you never know what they plan to do. I just hope that they can get more funding for themselves and to expand service for all the lines.
Wait at 3:41 I just realized it said Astoria - Dickmars🤣🤣
Yeah a nice little easter egg
@@MysticTransit i used 2 live around *Dickmars* Blvd
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I would like to see the (G) go to Forest Hills-71st Ave again since it’s based out of Jamaica Yard and it can help out on Queens Blvd especially on Weekends. Not to mention, Crosstown will soon get CBTC.
The G was carrying air, and it would only introduce more interlining, when we should be getting rid of interlining.
The should run from Coney Island-Surf Avenue to Forest Hills-71st Avenue, while the (G) should run from Church Avenue to Court Square. The new IND Ocean Parkway Line should serve the [G].
@@bennythepenny5831 The G should never return to Forest Hills
@@TMC_BC Why?
@@TMC_BC It's because I propose rerouting the [M] & [R] to the IND Northern Boulevard Line. The & [V] should run local on the IND Queens Boulevard Line.
The only reason I can think of when people want the V service to return is because they are V line foamers
despite the Orange M being way better when it comes to revenue service
oh ya BTW good morning
The M can only be up to 8 cars long because of the station lengths on the BMT Broadway and Myrtle Els!!!
G to Queens Blvd is nice, but a better use of resources would just be to run the M's full route 24/7! And I am 100% in favor of extending the W during rush hours.
If the W were to disappear again, it would only be noticeable amongst the the Astoria residents because it really doesn’t have any independence. It always shares a stop with at least one line.
I think everyone would like for the G train to return to Queens blvd.
The M has always been Strange line. From back when it went from Brooklyn to Manhattan and back to Brooklyn. Now it comes almost a full circle from Middle Village to Forest Hills Queens which the two are not far from each other. The Q38 connects Middle Village to The Queens Mall at Woodhaven and I just want to know the point of that lol. I think the M would be a little more useful if (A) they went with the plan to send it to Rockaway Beach, or (B) travel with the F to 179 and hopefully extended further to the South east Queens transit desert area such as Hollis, Cambria Heights, QV etc.
All subway routes should have their own terminals! The should run from Bay Terrace-Little Bay Park to Bensonhurst-Bay Parkway, while the (D) should run from Norwood-205th Street to 9th Avenue. Only the should terminate at Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, while other routes should be rerouted. The should run to Coney Island-Surf Avenue on the IND Ocean Parkway Line, while the (G) should terminate at Church Avenue on the same line.
The {HUG} should be introduced as a looping route around the entire city making it a giant hug.
The only reason why the "W" exist is that the Brooklyn end of the "N" line does not need additional service. Unnecessary cost per ratio for an areas that doesn't need it. And how additional "N" service would impact both "Q" and "R" lines.
The "W" also allows the "N" to serve as the express. And the most important thing about the "W", is that, because it ends in Manhattan, it is often the only one available along Broadway, when delays happened in Brooklyn. No other trunk lines is affected like this. The B/D has the F/M and than A/C lines. The 2/3 has the #1. And the 4/5 has the #6.
Before the "W", there was nothing! Making this an extremely important line.
Note: I hate that they switched the B/C northern terminals for this reason. Back in the day, they would send the "C" to the west 4th Street lower level to pick up "D" passengers going to the Bronx. Because the "D" and South Brooklyn trains were often delayed. They could use the "C" to Bedford Park.
@@qolspony yeah with that being said, the W can be seen as a great support or back up for Manhattan service if the others such as the N, Q and R trains get stuck in Brooklyn and also allows for the N and Q to run express (especially the Q being so fast)
But on days where there’s no delays aren’t the R and eventually the N (from Canal Street) already running local up to 59th street? I just checked right now and there aren’t any Ws running. And when I ride the 4/5 lines and listen to the transfer announcements at 14th street and maybe even 59th street, I noticed they leave out the W. They never put updated the announcements ever since the W was put back in the system. But unfortunately should they any time decide to cut a couple of lines, the W might be among the first to go.
And I agree, I don’t like the northern terminus for the B and C. That’s great that they sent the C to the lower west 4th street platform for the D passengers, and it makes most sense since the B and C eventually run local together between Columbus Circle and 125th street. Yeah a great terminus for the C would be Bedford Park, but then the A would need to make those 2 local stops between 145th street and 168th street. Either way, ending the B train at 145th street doesn’t give it much value.
@@calvinkendrick851 Indeed. The "Q" is not only fast, it is the most important line in South Brooklyn, because of the amount of people who use it.
As for "W" service, it only exist because of the popularity of the northern leg of the "N" line. If that should ever become unpopular or passengers find a better alternative, like building another train line in the area, than it's probably here to stay.
I also agreed with your statement about the B/C lines. We don't even have to go back far in history, to prove this as fact.
During the dark days of the NYC subway system, both the B and C were rush hour only services. There use to be a line called the "AA" (eventually turning into the "K" because MTA new rules against double letter signage) that offer what they classified as "parttime" service. It simply meant that it did not operate during rush hours, nights (12a/6a), but it operated o the weekends. It was so bad that it uses only 60ft 4 car trainsets. So passengers who weren't position correctly, were seen running for the train, even if they were already on the platform. But at least reliable and fast, I guest.
Because of this arraignment, this forced the "A" to make that long local trek along Fulton Street Brooklyn. The Dark days of the NYC subway. And often times, people would joke about flying out of JFK and getting to their destination faster than the "A" train. And often times certain passengers would use the JFK express just to cut their commute time. Which is probably why the service exist as long as it did.
When the MTA decided to extend the hours of the "C" and "B" services (note: there was a 6th Avenue to 57th Street all day weekday service, while another B served Central Park West local to 168th Street rush hours as a 6th Avenue Express), they 1, they greatly improved the running time for the "A", which became the express and 2, they made the JFK useless.
Before this change, living on both the Lefferts Blvd and Far Rockaway end of the line I could attest to how frustrating this was. But Lefferts Blvd at least gave me an option, without paying an extra fare that I did with the LIRR. Because I lived between the "A" and "J" lines (I was a little closer to the "A" line) , I could opt for either or.
I prefer the "A" during rush hours. It was the express. I could get a seat during rush hours, because I was at a terminal station. And never really got that crowded.
But outside rush hours was dreaded. So the extra walk that I needed to make from the "J" train station was worth it. Because I could get a faster ride with the "E".
I was so lucky to have been living in this area at this time, because it hadn't been long since they connected the "E" with the "J" (1990/2).
Anyway, to make a long story short, from an operation standpoint, they switch the terminals. The B/D uses the same car sets.
And just like they terminate the "B" at 145th Street, they did the same with the "C". But as already mentioned, the difference was operational flexibility.
The only one I could see coming back is the G to continental. It's no longer based out of CIY. It's back at Jamaica Yard since it's all 160s now. With cbtc and close running trains on Queens Blvd I could see the G running to Continental since the M ends early.
thats gonna speed me up getting me to school
@@synacol_werj It's also going to make more of a one seat ride! People in Queens are terribly served & need many subway extensions like this. We also need an IND Northern Boulevard Line to parts of northeastern Queens. The IND College Point Line serving the [M] & [R] should be built. The {MJ} route should make a comeback & run to College Point. The & [V] should make up for the reroute. The [R] should run express on the IND Northern Boulevard Line.
They should take the M away from Queens Blvd and send the G there in replacement. It would see higher ridership now than it did in 2010
@@subwayfan200 Exactly, & the [M] should serve the IND Northern Boulevard Line. The [R] should also serve the IND Northern Boulevard Line & run express. The [M] should run local.
Yes, I use to take the G to Queens college on the weekends. It made a huge difference coming from Brooklyn. I miss the G going to Continental on weekends.
Loved the new editing Mystic
Thanks! I'm trying out a new style of video editing for my channel.
Love your videos - I was waiting for a new one to come out! But also good new style!
Return the G to 71st & Continental. Those local 4 track stations are ghost towns and worse on weekends. The weekend wait times can be brutal, I've literally taken the train back to Roosevelt just to catch the E or F.
They should do this for weekend service on the G line, since it wouldn't result in a crowded terminal at Forest hills without the M. Don't know why this isn't a thing yet when it benefits the lack of service on the QBL line during weekends
Also with the population boom in Williamsburg, Greenpoint, Long Island City and Astoria it would move people better between Qblvd and the waterfront neighborhoods previously mentioned. As far as the W is concerned it should go to Kings Hwy Sea Beach instead of 9th Ave west end(Weekdays Only). Kings hwy has a tower and dispatcher office to turn trains during GOs. Therefore it'll take pressure off of Murphy and Stillwell towers and the W would be an asset when queens blvd blows up and messes up the R service.
The [W] should run to Staten Island via the BMT 4th Avenue Line, BMT West End Line, BMT 15th Avenue Line, BMT 86th Street Line, & the Verrazano Narrows Bridge.
The brown M, I believe used to run as an express, on West End, where the D, N and R currently run. It interlined with the B, which used to run where the D runs today when it goes off West End. It terminated at 9 Av., I believe, if I'm not getting the station wrong, and Bay Pkwy. during rush hours. It did not do this in 2010, but it did go to Bay Pkwy. during rush. I also think you should do a video on duplicate subway lines (Orange and yellow B for example) and more content like this on periods of major changes, (9/11, Manhattan Bridge Reconstruction, Coney Island Reconstruction, if that counts etc.). Got that idea from another commenter.
M train use to stop at 9th av during non rush hours and only extended to bay pkwy during rush hours but still ran local along west end line. Dont remember when but not sure if after or before it terminated at 9th av, it would terminate at chambers st.
I do miss the brown M though, it helps because D train is always crowded...
I think west end express service would be extremely beneficial to any south Brooklyn rider. Especially that south bound D trains run quite slow starting from 36th street. The above ground tracks have a middle track and wouldn’t interfere with any other service on west end for peak direction express. This express service would cut commute times heavily for southern Brooklyn riders. Could you imagine a train that can get you from bay parkway (3 stops from Coney Island) to Manhattan in about 20-25 minutes?
Simple de interline Manhattan bridge. N to Brighton express. B south bound sea beach express, north bound via west end express. Send D to sea beach local and send J to bay ridge and R to west end. Swap R and W in queens
@@qjtvaddict no
@@Bombardier2199 The [B] & [Q] look great together on the BMT Brighton Line. The [W] should run to Staten Island via the BMT West End Line, BMT 15th Avenue Line, BMT 86th Street Line, & the Verrazano Narrows Bridge. The should run to Staten Island via the Bay Ridge Tunnel. The should run terminate at Bensonhurst-Bay Parkway, while the (D) should terminate at 9th Avenue. The should run to Staten Island via the BMT West End Line, BMT 86th Street Line, & the Verrazano Narrows Bridge, while the (B) should terminate at Brighton Beach. The should terminate at Manhattan Beach-MacKenzie Street, while the (N) should terminate at 18th Avenue. The should terminate at Seagate-West 36th Street, while the (Q) should terminate at Newkirk Plaza. The should terminate at Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, while the (F) should terminate at Ditmas Avenue.
Bring back the brown [M] but run it in a different route. The brown should run from Dyker Beach Park-86th Street to Bronx Park, while the brown (M) should run from Fort Hamilton Parkway to College Point-5th Avenue. The should run from Forest Hills-71st Avenue to Coney Island-Surf Avenue, while the (G) should run from Court Square to Church Avenue. The should run from Stuyvesant Heights-Bainbridge Street to JFK Airport-TWA Hotel, while the (V) should run from 2nd Avenue to Jamaica-Atlantic Avenue.
I had just gotten out of the Army when these cuts and changes were implemented and to be honest it’s not until this video that I even remembered the V train existed. I just thought I was a bit confused when I can back and the M route looked longer.
For all their flaws the M and L bring me extreme feelings of nostalgia. I grew up near Myrtle Wycoff.
Still live here it’s great!
@@BigYank I bounced the fuck out of NYC a while back. I miss it a lot but usually within a week or two of being back I remember why I left lol
That was a worse time in my life when the (G) was premium to Court Square Long Island, the Nassau Street (M), (V) and (W) Train's being discontinued. But the (W) was back in November 7th, 2016. 6th Avenue (M) is fine because ridership has been growing than the Nassau Street (M).
I like this! I live on QBL, so a lot would have changed for me. Also, I think you should do one on 9/11, and The Manhattan Bridge Reconstruction (Like Yellow B/D, N via local).
The G being extended back to Forest Hills would definitely aid local service on the QBL especially at late nights when the M and R services are cut back.
The 2010 Cuts for me were interesting. I actually loved the idea of merging the V and M Trains but then the downside was 4th Ave getting screwed. 4th Avenue needs a second local in my opinon and I feel like Every other W should serve it. The removal of the W train and turning the N Local was horriby misguided and the G cutback was even more shortsighted.
That additional local service should be the [W], as it should run to Staten Island via the BMT West End Line, BMT 15th Avenue Line, BMT 86th Street Line, & the Verrazano Narrows Bridge.
The V train was vaporized and the W train was wiped out, though the W was returned in 2017. The Z train was originally set to be zapped but it got saved.
Yeah because the need to speed up the service. No one complained in those neighborhoods about skip stop.
#no more z train
Tbf the mta should remove the Z. It will save them a lot of money.
@@aqua2poweros699 it won’t those would just turn into extra J trains
I agree: remove the (Z).
Great video as always, Mystic! May i offer a video suggestion on the work train rolling stock? i love seeing the old redbirds that got converted into work trains and the rolling stock specifically made for work!
This would be fascinating content, especially if he delves into power sources, and when and where each work train can be used depending on the situation (ie, a red tag lock out, tunnels with limited ventilation, etc.).
Being a West End user since I was a kid, I would of enjoyed an extra express service on the D line. But come to think of it, West End is not that long, compared to the Culver Line or the Sea Beach lines, so it would of been a waste.
Service cuts are never good and this period of time sucked but the one good thing out of it was the M Train. I never used the M as much as I have since it’s gone over to 6th Ave. I hope that the G Train makes its way to back to QBL one day, especially since they’re putting CBTC on that line and they already have R160’s on them. Time will tell but i pray that the MTA can get itself together financially to make that a reality so that you won’t have to do another video like this one again.
Babe wake up Mystic Transit dropped a new banger
OMG I agree with the W full-timing into Brooklyn
All subway routes should run 24/7!
The M actually had positive change. The people on the line prefer midtown service.
Actually, the Myrtle Ave Line stations saw a decrease in ridership from 2008 to 2018, with the exception of Central Ave and Myrtle-Wyckoff Aves.
@@TMC_BC Not necessarily as the much of that was due to construction work on the Myrtle Avenue Line to prepare for the Canarsie Line reconstruction, not the 2010 change in service pattern. It is noted that M ridership has grown since the 2010 change with the line seeing a 53% increase in ridership. As of now, there’s no demand to bring back the old service.
@@TheRailLeaguer So explain the YoY decrease in ridership on the Myrtle Ave Line since 2008, up to 2018? Even continuing on until 2019?
@@TMC_BC Thats not related to the 2010 service change that took the M off Nassau, but rather other factors.
And even then, it may not be true as the MTA stated that M ridership has been rapidly growing since the 2010 service change and the line is often at 90% loading capacity guidelines. In 2016, by the time they studied having F trains go express in Brooklyn, the peak frequencies on the M route were increased and it has been expected that the routes frequencies would be raised again in the future.
@@TheRailLeaguer Where did the MTA state these figures? Link it. Also I have a lot of reason to believe those loading guidelines are bullshit.
Hi, @Mystic Transit. What the Bee-Line transit lines you mean, is also known as the Westchester County Bee Lines bus system.
i think that the (G) should run to Forest Hills during the week and weekend. during late nights, i think it should be cut back to Court Sq
The should run from Coney Island-Surf Avenue to Forest Hills-71st Avenue 24/7, while the (G) should run from Church Avenue to Court Square 24/7.
I think that having two (G) trains would be confusing. But having the (G) run to Forest Hills 24/7 would be a good idea (during late nights i think the (E) should still run local). Having only one local line on Queens Blvd during weekends and late nights is a horrible idea, especially because Queens Blvd is severely overcrowded. Having the (G) go to Forest Hills would solve a lot of these issues.
IMHO, the W should take over the former brown M route in south Brooklyn. The current M is very good, but doesn't live up to its full potential. IMHO, it should run to Forest Hills 7 days a week.
I'm sure the MTA wants to run it 7 days a week, but it barely has enough operators to do weekend service, even with other more important lines. At one point, they had called me all the way to Brooklyn to run the M weekend service between Metropolitan and Chambers, and it was only me and another guy running the service for about 8 hours. Literally, just back and forth. 😭😭😭.
I think the G train should go back to forest hills 71 ave
Goodmorning sir. The G had gotten Cut in 2001 if I'm mistaken when The MTA had made the V to relpace the old F Train witch use share the Queens Plaza and 23 Ely ave aka Court Sq Stop Lex 53 st and 5ave 53 st with the E back in days. But once The MTA had switch The F-train to run along 21 st Queens Bridge 🌉 st R.I and 63 st lex and 57 st 6ve line and it switch back to normal run down 6 ave . The MTA needed more service to help out E line and R sense The G got cut and F got rerouted. They Made changes to M line also the M use to from Metro ave and Queens to Board st Manhattan or at Rush hours it use to go to Bay Park Brooklyn along 4 ave line. But The MTA had cut that. But M still serves where V use go but accpet the second ave subway st in Manhattan. But like old V it only gose along to 71 ave during the week days like the old V. Use to why cant the Train go to Second ave like V . But on weekends And yes the M just like the and J/ Z can only use 8 subway cars due to Willamsbrug Bridge 🌉 and due to sharp turn along there routes. Now for Buses lines that got cut maybe when city dose the Nyc Bus make some might up coming back. But this what MTA should do to the M train 🚉 . Extend it to 179 st in Jamaica to let the go Exp.
I think the M could be created into a loop it could improve service frequency and for me I need to get to forest hills a lot and I live at myrtle avenue so it could be nice
I dont think the M need to loop. There's already a bus at metropolitan that u can transfer to at queens blvd
Good idea I have thought about it to I agree because if you want to take a train there you have to go to the G and take that back over to court square and switch back to the M
@@tyshaw1732 there is a tiny problem called traffic
@@tyshaw1732 uhh the bus gets stuck in traffic
@@apersonwithoutaidentity8471 thats true especially by queens blvd. However there's other projects in queens that will have more impact like interboro line or even the reactivation of the rockaway line that can connect with the queens blvd and a/ rockaway shuttle
Ah yes, the budget cuts.
Love your videos, i wanna go to new york one day just to ride the trains haha.
The (M) ORIGINALLY ran from Metropolitan Ave, Brooklyn (via Nassau St Line) to Coney Island on the Brighton Line with the (D) and .
The {QB} should make a comeback to add service!
@@bennythepenny5831 Ain’t nobody is asking for double letter lines in the system.
@@bennythepenny5831nobody is trying to bring back double lettered lines dude
So... I see congestion charge coming very soon. Unless these politicians are going to write up a bill to fund the MTA ... They need some money.
I read the Wikipedia the reason why the V got discontinued because the M live longer than the V. The V got discontinued due to budget concerns in 2010, sadly I miss the V has a kid you never know the Mta will discontinued another letter.
So were not going to mention that Astoria-Ditmars is now spelled as... uhhhh..............
One service change because of the budget cut occurred on the Staten Island Railway. From 2001 until 2009, SIR trains ran to the Richmond County Bank Ballpark (Now called SIUH Community Park) during days that the Staten Island Yankees played home games at the stadium. However because of you know what, the station was shuttered in 2010 and when he only way to get there was by walking from the Saint George terminal to the stadium or by taking one of the buses from St. George to the stadium for the game. While renovating and reopening the station for service to the ballpark during events is probably not the most feasible decision for the MTA to make as it is located within walking distance of Saint George, it surely would be an interesting edition, especially now since the new Staten Island FerryHawks of the Atlantic League started play earlier this year. If the MTA decides to provide dedicated transportation to the stadium during special events, a bus service that makes a few stops around the Saint George neighborhood before terminating at the Stadium would probably be the most viable option.
Reactivate the North shore branch
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Morning!
If there is another service cut, hre's an idea. Make the W a rush hour line only between Bay Parkway (W.E) and Ditmars.
It says Astoria-Dickmars in ur vid lol
At 3:54
Til this day, i keep wondering if the East Side Access was a good decision to follow through with considering other less cost effective plans we could've indulged in.
To be fair, before the V got eliminated, I think there were talks about having the V get extended pass 2 Ave to Church Ave and have the F run express all day. This would of allowed the G to get extended to Church Ave along with the V. I could think if this did happen like around 2007 or 2008, then it would of been like this;
F - Culver Express(Jay St-Church Av), except late nights and weekends. Local stops in Brooklyn during late nights and weekends since the V was only a weekday line
G & V - Culver local
I’m not sure if they would of reopened the Bergen St lower level, but if that were the case, then it probably would of had to lead to making the entire Bergen St station(Upper and Lower level) fully accessible. Tell me your thoughts anyone.
The [G] & [H] should run local on the IND/BMT Culver Line.
I honestly can’t imagine the V running to Church Ave along with the G; it would basically be the G if it went to Manhattan, but along a different path. I’d prefer the V instead running along with the F all the way down the Culver Line to at least Kings Highway.
I think the G returning to Queens Blvd is a great idea. However, instead of having it terminate at Continental Avenue, I would prefer the G to instead run to either Jamaica Center or 179 St.
The W should also be extended to Brooklyn full-time, however instead of sending it to West End my preferences say it should run to Bay Ridge - 95 St instead.
If we’re talking about extra service along West End, I propose Z service being cut completely between Jamaica Center and Chambers Street. The Z can instead regularly run between Chambers Street in Manhattan to Bay Parkway. The J can serve all stations in Brooklyn and Queens while also eliminating skip-stop service.
You forgot to mention that the service has really not returned to pre 2010 levels, especially off peak. You need to do some more research I think
3:43 look at it again... Dickmars xD
You need to do 9/11 cuts or 2001 Cut back
I'd like to see a 9/11 recovery steps video.
g line return queens will be easyier way to queens blve without crappy e transfer
I really wish to see the V return. The MTA was able to resurrect the W, but it sadly hasn’t done the same with the V.
I think if they were to bring the V back, they would have it terminate with the F at Jamaica-179th Street in Queens, and then have it run along the 63rd Street Line, rerouting the F to run with the E on the 53rd Street Line like it did in the 1990’s. Its southern terminal station would be 2nd Av, but on rush hours it’ll run to Brooklyn, where after Jay Street-Metrotech, it’ll split off from the F and run on the Fulton Street line as a local train with the C, terminating at Euclid Avenue.
With Euclid Av as the V’s terminal station during rush hours, the C would be extended to Lefferts, replacing the A. I honestly thought it was odd how the C was completely enclosed by the A, so I would like to see the C split from the A and have its own terminal station at Lefferts Boulevard.
As for the M? I don’t know. I guess for the time being they should reinstate the pre-2010 M service.
There also could be some rush hour express, through I don't think we are going to see that. The (V) also used to run in Brooklyn with the (A) at one point via Fulton St. Local terminating at Euclid.
I don’t see any point on returning the V and sending it to Euclid. All you’re doing is causing massive delays on the A/C and F. Y’all only want the V to return just for the sake of a nostalgia moment. Sorry but at the end of the day, it’s all about what’s beneficial for MTA and the passengers when it comes to getting from point A to B.
The brown [M] should be its own route. The should run from Bronx Park to Dyker Beach Bark-86th Street, while the (M) should run from College Point-5th Avenue to Fort Hamilton Parkway. The [Y] should run on the rebuilt BMT Fulton Street Elevated Line. The should run from Crotona Park-Wilkins Avenue to Island Park-Austin Boulevard, while the (Y) should run from 149th Street-Grand Concourse to Springfield Boulevard. The should run from Inwood-215th Street to Freeport-Mill Road, while the (C) should run from Inwood-215th Street to Ozone Park-Lefferts Boulevard. The should run from Stuyvesant Heights-Bainbridge Street to JFK Airport-TWA Hotel, while the (V) should run from 2nd Avenue to Jamaica-Atlantic Avenue. The should run from New Hyde Park-Lakeville Road to Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, while the (F) should run from Jamaica-179th Street to Ditmas Avenue. The should run from Throgs Neck-Schurz Avenue to Tottenville-Hylan Boulevard 24/7, while the (B) should run from Bedford Park Boulevard to Brighton Beach 24/7. The should run from Clearview-Willets Point Boulevard to Co-op City, while the (K) should run from Euclid Avenue to Fordham Road. The should run from Bay Terrace-Little Bay Park to Bensonhurst-Bay Parkway, while the (D) should run from Norwood-205th Street to 9th Avenue.
@@bennythepenny5831 Okay now chill! You’re making things way too complicated for the MTA! Not ever subway line needs a Diamond bullet. All you’re doing is just causing massive pain and delays to the system. No need for double lettered routes again. The 70 & early 80s are over. Why do we need the brown M if it wasn’t beneficial enough from the beginning. We don’t need anymore M trains. Sorry but these ideas are just a mess and will definitely cause a lot of more problems.
@@rayewaddell9668 If you look at my full proposal on a big map, you'll understand better on why it's possible. There are ways to do it all.
Nah ain’t no way church ave could handle terminating the V and the G
Hey there Mystic Transit buddy. Thanks so much for this video. I barely remember this 12 years ago.
nice video mr zeenoz sir 🙏🙏
Appreciated
@@MysticTransit I really enjoyed it!
Great video.
Thanks!
@@MysticTransit You’re welcome
im waiting for the next video boi
The G train extension would really help Brooklyn to LGA, which is rough right now. Combine or simply Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza (and of course extend the Astoria line to terminal B).
Yes, there should be an in-station transfer!
I would definitely like to see the brown M train come back because express service in Brooklyn to bay parkway an plus when I'm on the R train an I see that tunnel were the M connects with the R It just brings back great memories.
Bringing back the Brown M would be a complete waste of resources and will not benefit any rider whatsoever, especially with other options available in Brooklyn and the popularity of Midtown service for Northern Brooklyn residents. If anything, they should just decrease J train service to allow for more M train service to operate.
@@TheRailLeaguer Yeah but the orange M train is a waste too cuz all is doing is going from queens to queens so that doesn't make sense at all so yeah they definitely should have kept the brown M train it made more sense.
@@Jay2Fire42 That’s not really true as the Orange M is not really a waste as well. And besides, just because it goes in a loop from Queens to Queens doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense. There are numerous rail lines built similar to that method. For example: the Washington DC Red Line goes from Montgomery County, Maryland, goes though Washington DC and loops back though Montgomery County ending a few miles from where it started. Despite this, you’re not complaining about it and the Red Line is one of the most heavily used lines in DC.
@@TheRailLeaguer Yeah I hear what you saying but were not talking about other trains from other places were talking about the NYC subway. An imma stick too what I said which is the orange m doesn't make sense cuz it makes a loop from one part of queens to a another so I feel they should have keep the brown M train it was better.
@@Jay2Fire42 That still doesn’t invalidate the argument. Besides, you saying that current M route is useless is like also saying the DC Red Line is useless, despite both lines being heavily used seeing increased ridership.
Also the shape of the line does not determine if the line is a waste or not. Despite the M being a “loop”, ridership has increased by 53% over much of the two decades, except in late 2017-early 2018 when service was disrupted to prepare for Canarsie Line disruptions. In contrast, ridership on the Brown M and service to Lower Manhattan and southern Brooklyn in general has stagnated or even declined (no wonder the MTA planned to decrease J train service to make room for more M train service). As a result, the new change is a success.
Perhaps as a compromise, what they can do is to not bring back the Brown M, but rather decrease J train service to make room for increased M train service. Service will operate at 14 trains per hour, similar to the F train. This will allow for additional M train service to operate between Manhattan and Brooklyn.
On weekends, M trains will continue to operate as a shuttle between Metropolitan Avenue and Essex Street. However, some trains will continue along the Nassau Street Line to Broad Street, and then along the 4th Avenue Line to 95th Street. But here’s the catch: south of Essex Street, trains will be pick-up only northbound and drop-off only southbound, stopping only at Chambers Street and Broad Street. Between Broad Street and Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center, passengers will not be allowed to ride. Oh the trains will be stopping at all stations and the doors will open, but only transit workers and cops will be allowed to ride between the points. South of Atlantic Avenue, M trains will be pick-up only northbound and drop-off only southbound, stopping only at 36th Street, 59th Street, 86th Street, and 95th Street. An alternative option would be to operate this via the West End Line to Coney Island-Stilwell Avenue, stopping only at Bay Parkway. This will allow for 4th Avenue riders at select stops to ride to/from Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center, where riders can transfer to the 2, 3, 4, and R trains to Lower Manhattan. All the benefits of the Brown M, but without the waste.
The cuts are so stupid. Public transportation is not supposed to be profitable, we already pay taxes and we deserve a proper commute
How were they able to manage so many trains in the 1900s?
They had a different signaling system.
They changed it in the 1990s, I think because of wrecks and signals not being able to stop modern steel trains.
How infrequent was the nyc subway in the late 1900s?
Huh i thought i was going crazy when i realized the M was orange instead of brown a few months ago
Anybody else noticed the “Dickmars” at the bottom right corner?? 3:37
Damn now i have learned some thing new
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3:55 It should be DITMARS, not DICKMARS
On the Lexington Avenue line they abandoned the Worth Street and 18th Street stations for extensions of the Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall and 14th Street-Union Square stations, the City Hall Loop station was abandoned due to trains derailing before the station I believe. The 91st Street station between 96th Street and 86th Street on the 7th Avenue line was closed due to extension of both the 96th Street and 86th Street stations. The South Ferry Loop station was closed due to the new South Ferry station opening but 2 years after they had their grand opening at the new South Ferry station they reopened the old South Ferry station due to Sandy and reopened 10 years later and so they reclosed the old South Ferry station. The old City Hall station on the F line was closed for whatever reason. The old 42nd Street station on whatever line that was on was closed for whatever reason they closed it. On Metro North the 138th Street station was closed and taken down due to the New York Central Railroad being discontinued. The East 59th Street station on Metro North was closed to become a private station. The Highbridge station was closed to become an employee station. Etc
3:43 You have a misspelling (TSW 3 community UK based Misspelt) there for Astoria Dickmars it's correct name is Queens Astoria Ditmars Blvd as said by N,Q,R & W trains announcer Catherine Cowdry the MTA equivalent to HMA Train Sim World Helga Bayertz DB BR423. For the W train why not give it R211Ts during the Rush Hours extended to 86th Street Sea Beach Line via 4th ave local or end at Bay Parkway West End line like the Brown M. One thing that the Orange M train offers over the V train is that you can avoid the 59th st IRT East Side Line OOS to 63rd St for F train. In that situation stay on the 6 train then get off at 51st for M train for 6th ave bound passenger. My Mom did this routing 6 train to 125th from Buhre Ave 4 or 5 trains to 86th st from 125th st then 6 train for 86th-51st for M train. Disadvantage of the M train is that from 71st ave to Myrtle Ave the Q38 is the shorter way to go between the two
G to QBL can work during the Late Nights because most local riders will stuff the E train late night local from 45th Road Court Square to Forrest Hills 71st ave due to no M & R train local service weekends help the R train due to no M train service. G train late lights this will need R211T 4040
Another change was the change of the overnight service on the A Line to Lefferts Blvd and the Rockaways. I was a conductor on the Round Robin which was from Euclid Ave. to Rockaway Park. Then to Far Rockaway. Finally back to Euclid Ave This was back in 1983. The TA has turned the Lefferts Blvd. train to become a shuttle from Euclid Ave. to Lefferts Blvd. and back. The A Train now runs all the way from 207 to Far Rockaway making all the stops which is about 2 hours one way!
“It carried AIR sour of broad street” 😂
The G should stay where it is now because the MTA is facing crisis
The G train should be put back onto Queens Blvd-
1. Weekend service on QBL sucks!
2. Nights it’s at least a 20 min wait for a train
Additional service on the D line would be great in Bklyn via Montague Tunnels whether it’s sending a few Z trains during rush hour or permanent service. It would allow for the D train to run on time throughout it’s line. It takes forever to catch an express train on 6 Av
The V I would bring back. Instead of going to queens though, I would send it on the UWS
The V is sought of don't miss, because as much it was an okay service, jus terminating at 2 Av only messed it up...if they would've extended V into Brooklyn AT LEAST on rush hours, maybe Church Av, as well, it might still be there...
W used to have an identity crisis during the Stillwell Av rehabilitation time until, 2004...I'm glad it's back(wasnt a fan of the Q to replace the W to Astoria)..But I think they should extend the W to Brooklyn on rush hours as well, yea there's limited service early morning and late evening beyond Whitehall St, but the 4 Av Local is horrible on rush hours..
That brings me to the M...they right that the ridership sucked during its Nassau/Montague connector days(rush hours), but I used to ride that service alot between Manhattan and South Brooklyn lol...no lie I missed it, but I'm glad of the Orange M service....Still would like to see one day, Nassau/Montague connector restored...maybe the J to 9 Av on rush hours????
The G was already in bad shape during the "V train era" cuz once the 63 St connector opened, shifting the F to 63 St full time, it was gon be really tough for the G during evenings, weekends and nighrs
Great vídeo.
....sent the brown M back to Coney Island on the Brighton line like the 80's and the G back to 71- Conrinental Av nights & weekends 😁
Why MTA had Budget Cuts in first place????? Other Cities around the world increases Budget on Public Transport for example London and Paris and Berlin and Melbourne and Sydney etc……. Why United States of American Government Hate Public Transport so Much!!!! And Budget Cuts in 2010’s No other Non American Cities had Budget Cuts in 2010’s ?????
Just to put it out there, the main reason why these cuts happened was the 2008/09 recession was hitting at its worst & transit systems were not immune in any way from getting financially hit.
J Train Should Been Extended To Bay Parkway As in Express For West End Line.
I still miss the M train running down into deep Brooklyn. Always enjoyed seeing it come by instead of the (B) or (D).
Mystictransit i was born in 2010 so i was around 3 months after i was born the v brown m and w was discontinued
On 74st broadway on the 7 train hudson yards bound platform you will find a sign that shows the other trains that stop at station showing the V and the G trains
3:40 uhhhh, check the Ditmars spelling ???
That was intentional
@@MysticTransit Lol 😂 it jumped out to me right away bc Ditmars is my home subway station
I remember the service cuts as well. It's hard to believe that 2010 was almost 13 years ago.
2:47 The should run from Bay Terrace-Little Bay Park to Bensonhurst-Bay Parkway, while the (D) should run from Norwood-205th Street to 9th Avenue.
Yes I also advocate for shorter D length. Driving the D is sometimes hell. I hope for them r211's soon 🙏🙏😬
@@ranabhaipersaud8886 I HATE the R-211!
Yea, well anything beats operating a r68
R46's be chill though
I miss the "" on West End. The headways down there for the "D" are pretty bad. I feel that with population growth the service would be more appreciated. The "G" on QBL would be a great improvement.
Train frequencies in the D route can be increased, and that’s without bringing back the M on West End (and thus negatively impacting service between Northern Brooklyn and Midtown Manhattan).
One of my favorite alternatives is adding two new switches south of 36th Street between the local and express tracks. Then swap the D and R routes south of there so that the R route goes via West End and the D makes local stops to 95th Street. The W would then be extended from Whitehall Street to Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue via West End. Switching the route on West End from the D to the R would provide extra service on the West End Line, while D train see ice would provide faster service between Bay Ridge and Manhattan.
Could you make a w train full ride
3:44 did you misspell ditmars or is that more so of a pun?
Yes bring the G train full time since there’s CBTC
Mystic I used to love and support your videos until I saw you commented on a gangsters page! Don't support WTAE gangsters even dj hammers don't like them!
What do you mean? How are they gangsters?
The headways on the Central Park West Line is the worst of them all.
before the G ran on the line it does now, which train ran there?
Nice video. Btw I say for the W at 3:20 to build the red hook extension. It will cause the least interlining and allow people living near the proposed extension to have a direct link to Manhattan without detouring through Downtown Brooklyn.
Down side is that extensions are expensive and that this shouldn’t be a priority.
1 extension to Red Hook is better, running the W there limits capacity on 4th Ave.
@@TMC_BC I agree with that! I don’t see any positives on using the W for an extension to Red Hook when it can help out the R in Brooklyn. The 1 train is a better option. If possible call me crazy but we can bring the 9 back(minus skip-stop service) and that can run from Van Cortland Park 242 St - Red Hook on weekdays, except late nights and weekends. I would make the 1 terminate at the South Ferry loop(if it’s possible to reopen it) and during late nights and weekends, it can run to Red Hook replacing the 9 at those times.
Or plan B; just extend the 1 and don’t bring the 9 back. I like plan A even though it seems a little over the top on returning the 9.
@@rayewaddell9668 I’d take plan B
I think when it comes to an extension to Red Hook, that role should be given to the 1.
If anything, I’d like to see the W be extended via a new branch to Brooklyn, connecting to Court Street (currently the New York Transit Museum. The museum can be relocated to a newly constructed replica of the station next to the current one, if possible), before having it run to Hoyt-Schermerhorn Streets, where it’ll meet up with the A and C, and run local with the C up to Euclid Avenue, where it’ll terminate. The C can be extended to Lefferts Boulevard, replacing the A.
@@VinceHere98 I think the W can just be killed, with de-interlining as the alternative. The Rockaway Branch would be abandoned from Rockaway Blvd to Broad Channel, and LIRR service would continue to Rockaway Park, once those tracks are reclassified. A trains will only terminate at Lefferts.
Not just the NYC mta, but almost most transit systems in the world
What are these chapter names Mystic
Bring back the Brown R train but give it a Brown V lol
If you want to eliminate the W add a queensboro/queens plaza connection rendering queens blvd to 60th street useless.
The W ain’t going nowhere
W is too slow to run into westend. It needs to be an express
I personally believe it's all politics...
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