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Not my intention to make accusations but I got to say I'm getting some Imperium Fanboy vibes from Lutein on this video, what with all the animosity towards the Tau.
A peace where you low-key have to do everything some aliens say is still a peace where you have to do everything some aliens say. You just get disappeared instead of shot. Same effect. That said, I love Tau technology, and the Earth Caste is my favorite group of people in the entire setting. They _actually want to innovate,_ and that's _so rare._
I'll take that instead of a peace where you straight up have to do whatever someone with a stylized I on their belt says or your entire planet gets exterminated.
To be fair, half the 40k factions want peace but to do so requires copious amounts of warfare, genocide, and the violation of every individual right a person can have a trillion times over...so they do that on a regular basis.
Some savants within the Imperium whisper that the Necron uses something along the lines of the ancient Terran language simply known as "Excel" from the people Mikresuft.
Worry not,we shall purge them and their heretical fonts! We shall know our brothers from heretics by their clean *New roman times font* Keep your eyes peeled, there reports that spies have been seen slipping up by using _Italics_
*Tau meets humanity* Tau: Geez what a bunch of crazy genocidal xenophobes. What the hell happened to them? *Tau meets Orks* *Tau meets Chaos* *Tau meets Tyranids* *Tau meets Dark Eldar* Tau: Oh that's what happened
You forgot the part where a stupid guy with a gold fetish took over, forced most human worlds into a dictatorship without any good successors taking care of things if he failed - Primarchs being flawed and incapable as the Horus Heresy has proven - leading to the decline of humanity in a state that might be worse than what happened during the dark age of technology and probably dooming the majority of mankind in the long run (unless they pull some deus ex machina again). If the Emperor had not intervened humanity would have been off much better though it would have taken longer to form a new galactic human civilization.
@Random Grey Knight But thats just it, Earth was doing bad and so were 100s of other human colonies. However, there were human worlds such as Rophanon that were totally fine and beyond peaceful/prosperous. Tyranid invasion aside. They were doing just fine without the imperium. Ironically enough being apart of the imperium in "good" standing during the same series of events (The Tyranid invasion). Theres a good chance they would've still used Exterminatus on the planet. So either way the imperium was the death of this nearly perfect world of humanity. There are many other examples of worlds not invaded by any xeno, doing perfectly fine, and the imperium brought war and chaos to their world.
@Random Grey Knight That's imperial propaganda. Terra was certainly a huge post-apocalyptic mess, but a lot of the worlds that were forced into "compliance" during the Great Crusade had better administration and were more technologically advanced. A lot of them were doing perfectly fine and started to communicate with other nearby human civilisations. If you've been reading the Horus Heresy series, all the books point out subtlely that the Emperor might have been the vanguard of his own destruction: dabbling into the occult, getting most of his powers from the Chaos gods themselves, being a terrible father for his primarchs, building a incompetent and bloated bureaucratic power structure, and seeing everything and everyone as mere tools for his own goals... Can you still look at the what the Imperium has become and not see that this guy has totally and utterly failed at saving humanity from itself? The fact is that in 40k, some of the most dangerous foes of mankind is mankind itself. Only the Tyranids are arguably a worst threat than Chaos which is by and large made of humans turned traitors. Most other xenos aren't immediate threats: Eldars are too few and too divided, while the T'au are still a small empire with limited strategical mobility and even the super numerous and agressive Orks are too divided to be a continuous threat (they're not to be underestimated, but the fact is that they have troubles to remain united for long). The Imperium might be all they've got, but they haven't got much in the end. Had the Emperor been less extremist and had at least planned that he might not been there forever, it might not have gone full retard after he was mortally wounded. Instead it reverted into a nightmarish totalitarian theocratic barely organised chaos. What a huge success this is! :D
@@anshumaankumar8684and then dies only 100 years later as the amount of resources needed to perform an exterminatus against their entire species and all of its allies will require leaving late parts of the imperium fringes very weak leading to the fall of cadia becomming an avg Tuesday as the ever encroaching tyranid main fleet will definitely be taking advantage of that. Since they are far enough apart that the fleets killing tau will be unable to leave and go to assist the fight against the tyranids in time. There's a reason they havnt done it. You really think the imperium would have let them get this powerful if they had the resources for a full over 200 planet exterminatus while also not leaving their flanks exposed. The imperium utterly hates these guys. They represent the polar opposite of the imperium in almost every way. And yet they didn't crush them. When your species becomes obsessed with not advancing and in fact has slowly lost tech and now focuses on swarm tactics and meat shields with a small tactical units of highly advanced specialists (almost like the tyranids have a similar method). You become very vulnerable to ultra long range ai powered drone weapons. Not saying they couldn't wipe them out. But by the time they get through the last of the moons full of nukes turned into kamikaze planes the size of hyperion and mimas from our own solar system. They will have no imperium to return to
@@bitharne considering all the info on the mind control coms from the imperium and all other sources say other wise it's most likely they aren't being controlled. just propaganda on the imperium's part
I guess you could get away with this idea with the tau themselves but that would take some explaining for all the other creatures of in the universe that join them.
I mean heresy or not whats the same with Humans saying there Emperor is there GOD (The bad ones that ignore the Emperors wishes to not be called a God) and te Tau? Except the Tau wants to be peaceful. Still bad but the lesser evil. Or do you want to be in slave camps in human worlds with little to nothing to eat whipped every hour for a possibly dead emperor? I like the Emporium of man but come on think a bit realisticly
"The Tau truly are the worst race! Now, citizen, you have been volunteered to join the Imperial Guard. Enjoy your free will! And don't forget that questioning the Imperium is heresy!"
"But at least I'm not brainwashed!" the 21 year old man in the late third of his life, working in a hive city and never saw the sun, cried when he watched this video.
Clearly not. They can choose to join genestealers or Chaos, they might even consider secession. Tau are so indoctrinated they can't even consider those as possible unless the Etheral is dead
@@AKUJIVALDO But the fascist/theocratic Imperium is? I can understand not liking their art style, but why complain about communism in a universe where far worse things exist?
@@theprancingrat the former, you don't even know you're in it. Or in fact you might think that willingly embrace it. The latter, you know you're in it and have to suffer through it.
"We hear this tale of how this fifth cast appears out of nowhere, and only with a few words end savage conflicts that only showed bitterness and no signs of ending...Please! Only the most naive could believe such a bitter tale!" Emperor of Mankind: *singlehandedly unites the trillions of mankind to work together and even suffer inconceivable horrors for the purpose of lofty ideals, while he sits on a golden throne* Oh yeah, the Ethereals really are such Machiavellian bastards. What are they up to now...
Literally this yeah. I interpret the ethereals as similar to the emperor, a sort of evolutionary leap designed to elevate the species into space faring complexity
@@KelebMoonDancer I mean... An all powerful psyker united humanity if not via conversion or telepathic influence, then by force... It seems just as bad if not worse, and echoes the idea of "we must unite to survive the dark and dangerous universe, regardless of how it is done" exactly. IE: the ends justify the means.
@@V3RTIGO222 Thats literally the only way to survive in 40k yes, its a gruesome reality all races come to realize, except orks, and nyds, but they are special.
Hmmm, being mind-controlled into doing yoga, being nice and working for the greater good, or eating a nutrient Paste. being a cog in a machine and worrying anything and everything be considered heretical and thus death? This is a hard one?
Dude, they cut your balls off. The choice is clear, I rather die from a las-bolt to the head then be neutered by a fucking blueberry flavoured, alien manlet.
Yes being indoctnatated from birth means you don't realise your being controlled but hay lets not get the fact they both are controlling masses one just puts a positive spin to it while the other one is work or die. One is honest the other just lies and tricks or forces you into believing said lie so ya. Imperium
Imperium of Man: Citizen 1: Brethern behold, I figured out a new method in which to dispose bacteria from the oral passages. Citzen 2: *GASP* *2 weeks later* Imperium Judge: It is for these reasons, citizen, by the will of the Emperor, you are sentenced to death for Heresy. The Tau: Citizen 1: Look, I invented a new toothbrush. Citizen 2: Cool.
Few missing points about farsight. 1.) even without his Ethereals, he still believes in a version of the greater good, as do those in the enclaves themselves. So the idea isn't all bunk, as if it was, the enclave wouldn't continue functioning the way it does without Ethereals. 2.) Mind control or no, the Tau society is better. This can also been seen by Commander Fatsight's Enclaves. As he has a world of Human Helpers under his command. These humans are just as devoted to the "greater good" under farsight as they are under the ethereals. If it was just a "mind control" deal, then why would human imperials still be working with Farsight in the absence of ethereals? And if it was worse being under a Tau leader, why wouldn't they have attempted to defect back to the emperor? 3. ) the grim-dark part of Farsight comes from his sword... Every soul he takes extends his life, but he (so far) has no knowledge of this and it is unknown if the Enclaves can / would survive without his leadership or restructuring. So only time will tell if the "greater good" is an actually possible / functional idea based on how the Farsight Enclave fairs going forward. My personal thoughts? The ethereals suppress a lot of the "conflict" parts of the brain. Physical acts of aggression are made harder in the presence of ethereals, which makes it easier for the Tau to work together. However it also explains why they have a hard time "digging in" as mentioned in this video. It also explains why it took longer for the more aggressive caste (the fire caste) to come around to the idea of the greater good. With more anger, or aggressive nature, more would have had to be oppressed. However the capability to work together is still entirely possible (again as seen by the Enclaves). Rather without the Ethereals (at present time for the Tau) they would need additional bureaucracy to settle disputes, and would probably need more of a way to deal with violent crime in their society. IT wouldn't destroy them, but it would slow their advance substantially, which would have the consequence of leading them to their own downfall. Though only time will tell, as if the Farsight Enclave succeeds then it is indeed possible for the Tau to exist without the Ethereals, and indeed fight for a greater good.
I agree with your interpretation. It makes the most sense that the Etherals just convince people who all believe in the same ultimate goal that their plan is the best. The first generation of Tau wanted what was best for their tribe, and the Etherals made them all agree that the best course of action was the Greater Good. For the next generation of Tau who were raised into believing the Greater Good the same way everyone in both 40k and our world is raised into an ideology, the Etherals made them all agree what said Greater Good was. It's how they can have such single-minded pursuit of specific scientific advancements. All the scientifically inclined Earth Tau are influenced to believe that researching x is the best way forward. It's like real world hypnosis, you can't be forced to do something you don't fundamentally want to do. The Etherals decided that ignoring the Chaos was the best way to deal with them, so everyone did ignore them. This only works if the Etherals are themselves a hive mind that makes collective decisions, which I can get behind. Also as someone with mental illnesses and who takes medication for it, your thoughts being influenced by something that isn't your conscious being, instead neurochemicals, doesn't feel like a foreign invasion. A big part of therapy for depression or aniexty is learning to tell apart thoughts that are useful vs those that are born from your mental illness and aren't useful. I imagine that's what the Etherals feel like.
For that last part, it’d also explain why certain races are basically just straight up off limits. Lessen the aggressive aspects of the Ork brain and suddenly they’re not having fun and cant do shit. Peaceful Tyrranids can’t happen since they’re biologically coded to hunt. Demons are both too new for them to figure out and also far too chaotic to suppress, and the Necrons are robots with basically no emotions to subconsciously affect anyways. That kinda only leaves the Eldar (who seem completely uninterested in the Tau), Humans (who either oppose them or have already joined), Abhumans not already a part of the imperium, and the races already absorbed into the Tau empire. All things considered, they are doing pretty damn great
@@thatnumber202 the problem is it's watered down grimdark. The average tau citizen isn't doing anything inherently evil or violent. Compared to the tyrannids, the orks, chaos, the drukari, and even humanity... What do the Tau do that would compare? I get they are supposed to be a different kind of evil, more subtle and manipulative, but come on: in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, being a Tau is obviously the best possible life.
@@thatnumber202 You mean like a human? Just that your predetermined destinity is never endless pain and suffering for the imperial lie. A Tau always has the ability of self determination...so what if an Ethereal can make you shoot yourself...any part of the imperial apparatus will do the same for way less and to you and your extended family after torture.
Deliver the defective youngling to the local inquisitor and present yourself, your wife and the rest of your relatives for sterilization... Actually, nevermind. *Headsmash Exterminatus button*
@@PedroMM193 you mad man! Have you not seen on which planet this heretic lives?! You have doomed Holy Terra, may the Emperor save our souls... *The Emperor ready to be reborn likes this*
You don't need to have a bolt pistol placed on the back of your head to know these blue space communists who watch too much mecha anime need to be purged with the Holy Light of the Emperor! We can keep the sick robot suits tho, those are pretty dope and acceptable levels of heretical. Seriously though the T'au are the most interesting faction in the Warhammer universe in my opinion. They have such a different outlook on their society and the universe they live in than the jaded Aeldari, stubbornly uncompromising Imperium, and general OM NOM NOMming of the Tyranids. And there is an undeniable dark side to this reality; the T'au people are seemingly psychically controlled to serve the Ethereal Caste, and they aren't opposed to ethnic cleansing or exploiting the races they assimilate for labor, but they definitely feel like more more of a force for good in the galaxy than the half-dead empires of ancient factions still trying to hold out in a war of attrition that will grind billions more lives and planets to dust.
@@joshuacollins5523 Yeah definitely. I regret I dont know a lot about them, but they seem so cool to have stepped away from the indoctrination of the main T'au caste system, and they follow the Greater Good because they want to, rather than forced to.
I'm pleased I wasn't the only one who saw that. I was watching this again and was all "I'm sorry, is that fucking comic sans?" And went to the comments. Certainly a bold and contentious choice lol
Know this is a bit late, but imo, the T'au didn't need the whole mind control subtext, and shouldn't have anything that makes them more grimdark. The fact that they exist as a small-but-positive-collective race at all in the 40k verse is grimdark enough.
And most would agree with you, it was a knee jerk reaction to a vocal minority that kinda screwed with the writing. Luckily you can just pick and choose what to enjoy and how to perceive things. It’s a fictional universe meant to be the groundwork for the stories the fans make, it’s meant to be bent
Late to answer but i like to think that most would agree with you. Its why im glad the Farsight Enclaves exists as they are basically the reset back to form for the Tau
@@blutwirbel3180 Sadly, Phil Kelly did make it actually canon, in the Farsight Trilogy, what with Aun'va literally mind controlling a water caste tau into killing herself, for the great, great crime, of helping someone else with a speech
It’s an older video, but I feel like a major point was missed. The farsighted enclaves break much of what is said about mind control. The truth is that the enclaves still believe in the greater good, and are still banded together, despite having all four castes in their ranks. Although a broken, and independent faction, the enclaves aren’t mind controlled, they instead truly believe in the greater good.
Remember that commander Farsight only rebelled after his Ethereal overseer died. No Ethereal's and they immediately rebelled being so far from main Tau space, but they had commander Farsight to lead and unify them.
Coming more from the DoW games, I did once get to play a table top match with Tau vs Imperial Guard with a back line of the Tau railgun units (XV88's). With a combination of some glorious dice rolls, the IG's vehicles were all but wiped out in the first fire phase. Suffice to say it was a deeply satisfying result.
The Tau must feel like all those time in Stellaris where you spawn next to all the advanced start empires, and they're all Fanatic Purifiers, Devouring Swarms, and Determined Exterminators.
those starts can be quite powerful as they allow you to either -annex a lot of Systems right from the start -have valuable training for the early game military aspects of the game and enjoy lots of "fun"
Imperium: heh look at these dumb blue guys smashing rocks together (Essentially the equivalent of 10 days pass in 40k time) Hey we just blew up this spacecraft and a few blue dudes came out Imperium: 😬
"Free will" is kind of a meaningless concept when your life is pretty much "toil for some leader until you die" as is the case for the Imperium. It's less "ignorant bliss vs a hard but free life" and more "a comfortable standard of living but your motivations ultimately arent your own vs a miserable life of suffering but your motivations arent your own unless you are a member of a noble family and inquisitors dont torture and kill you for not following doctrine"
Also consider that the Ethereals control the Tau Empire, but that isn't the only Tau society: the Farsight Enclaves are a thing, and possibly the best example of a not-so-hellish faction in 40k.
@@raikun2963 yeah but guilliman to all of that. He's now the defacto emperor, is an eternal (or something close) and seems to want to reshape the empire that real world humans would see as a fair, logical society. If warrior based... but hey... its the 40k universe... war isn't going anywhere.
Well there are many not so bad planets in the imperium, if you are born in a forge world or in a death world though luck. Those are the most explored in the lore because they are interesting concepts, but the imperium also has pleasure worlds and agri worlds and also a bunch of really liveable ones. The inquisition wouldn’t even look at them if there aren’t genestealers/chaos cults/insurrections. Your life can vary from awesome to hellish, but at least you are not a lobotomised husk (unless they turn you into a servitor for some serious crime).
I love how half of your points about the Tau could also apply to the tech age humans and their eventual fall to chaos, while the other half could just as easily be applied to 40k humans, with indoctrination and all that, not to talk about lobotomy and slavery
Agreed lol, I was kind of taken aback by the bias in this video. Great WH content creator but I guess it's important to reserve a bit of healthy skepticism towards his points. I'm newer to the community and to my understanding he is just an imperium fan so that might be part of his style.
@@RightJackAtYa It's funny how everyone says the Tau have no Melee......Oh yes they do......I would not want a Kroot pack or Krootox in my face.......Oh and I definitely wouldn't want a Greater Knarloc in my face either.
@@Dorfanable I liked it better that they're a naive race of good aliens in the middle of the grim dark universe who foolishly think peace is an option It's hilarious that way
I love how he still sounds like some sort of imperial record keeper as if you can't see bias which I beleive is ment is to be there which I love its quite enjoyable.
Luetin09: "You can at least say that their (the Imperium's) crusades, their wars, battles and genocides were honest. That they owned their intentions..." The Imperium of Man: *Laughs in religious indoctrination*
This. They really don't. The Imperium is the party of lies, censorship, and indoctrination. Keep in mind, they don't want people to so much as know things like Slaanesh even exist, so the overall ignorance of mankind in 40K is pretty stunning compared to even the most casual 40k game player. Nothing about the Imperium is honest, and it really speaks volumes just how much effort needs to go into spreading Imperial propaganda just talking about the Tau not to exemplify what shitheads they are, as opposed to comparing Tau more to say Eldar or a young pre-golden age mankind. It's because the Imperium itself is irretriavably dogshit in the 41st millenium and that's basically the entire point of 40K and its writing, which is how thoroughly broken and dystopian everything else. Even pre-Horus Heresy was unbelievably horrible, genocidal, corrupt, lying about its genocide or real motivation to doing it sometimes, and all this is because a lot of people want to believe the Emperor and Imperial propaganda out-of-game and take it at face value rather than what it is, which is basically the darkest most dystopian and over the top setting imaginable. The main issue with the Tau is being introduced is because basically by being even a *little* less shit, ends up contrasting so sharply with how horrible the Imperium truly is when you're no longer comparing our world to theirs, but anything existing in universe at all besides them, and it basically takes Chaos, Dark Eldar, and Tyranids even to make the Imperium seem like a plausibly necessary evil. So really it's more a problem the Tau don't truly fit in and never did because they're literally the only good guys in 40K regardless if even the worst accusation against them was true.
I usually agree with his observations but laughed at this. Nothing at ALL about the imperium is honest. Personally I’ll take the Tau microdosing me over the imperium sending me and everyone I love to a slave colony because I only prayed to the emperor 15 times today instead of the prescribed 16.
One of my favourite little bits of lore is actually from Dawn of War. When the Tau encounter people speaking to them with the warp, they only hear a light buzzing that they think is from their com units. This causes an entertaining exchange of dialogue where some forces talk to them and they just talk about maintenance or interference and dismiss it entirely. Just a nice case of the creators sticking to the canon.
And this video clearly doesn’t like them very much. There’s actually very little evidence of mind control and Tau who mistreat the other races in the empire are severely disciplined.
That's because Leutin (real name Karl Benjamin) is a known white supremacist, brexit supporter, got booted from UKIP for makkng rape joke qt female Labour MP. Considering this, it makes sense as to why he'd hate the Tau and love the Imperium.
Until their arrogant naiveté and refusal to learn from vastly more experienced races results in their being totally helpless to resist enslavement by AI or Chaos.
The Tau: mildly reasonable, avoid conflict if possible, has a concept of tactical retreat, don't engage in melee (apparently?) Every other 40k faction: *hysterical laughter* Also, the Imperium of Man: *loads bolters with purging intent*
My friend: So now you have Warhammer Soulstorm. Take a look at each race and tell me which ones you liked the most. Me: Robot dudes Friend: These are the Tau, Xeno Space Communists. Me: Cool robot dudes with Mecha Suits, I'll Main this race fuck it. Friend: ... *Points a Revolver to the back of my head with a Commissar Hat*
There are two kinds of people in this world. The people who like grimdark: "The Tau mind control their subjects, and without that they turn into evil remorseless killers!" And the people who like other, more hopeful genres: "The Tau are just nicer than the rest of the galaxy."
the tau are just nice guys that are trying to give house warming presents to neighbors that want to burn there house down because they think the house is an eyesore
Honestly, the latter is more grimdark. Why have the Tau be so small and weak and struggle so much if they are just as bad as the rest of the setting? It is more poignant to watch a bright light of hope be snuffed out, or twisted as it grows beyond a few worlds. ---------- It is the 51st Millennium. For only the last century, the Greater God has governed its vast empire from the first sphere of Tau'va. It is the master of all minds and hearts in the T'au Empire, and its circuits scream with the captured souls of mankind. Crafted from the great technological leaps in the thirteenth sphere of expansion, this Abhorrent Intelligence seeks to bring a new era of peace through tyranny, an end to Chaos and freedom. The Greater God's eyes and ears are on every world in the T'au Empire, ready to send its obedient Caste-bound Enforcers. Ragged fleets of refugees containing the dying remnants of countless races flee the baleful gaze to other regions of space, braving even the horrors of the Warp. Defending them are the brave Farsight Infernos, cyber-uploaded battlesuit heroes of unmatched skill and ingenuity. Their comrades in arms are few but fierce: The ancient Astartes superhumans of Ultramar and Fenris, the rowdy Krootork shamans and mercenaries, the devoted human Psykers of the Ophelian Ecclesiarchy, and even the few surviving Necrons and Eldar Tomb Lords. But for all their courage, they face oblivion between the cold grasp of the Greater God's cyborg slaves on one side and the always eager jaws of Chaos on the other. To be a man in such times is to be the last hope of one dying species among many. It is to live in constant fear of the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of mankind, when so many have fallen with the collapse of its last empire. Forget a brighter future, for it died with the failure of mankind's successors. The Five Dark Gods of the Ruinous Powers laugh as their long game slowly reaches its end.
That or the Greater Good becomes a force that becomes just as dangerous as chaos. Order itself, imposed on all creatures. Unlike the tyrannids it is not biological but philosophical. Perhaps the concept would be lost along the way. The Tau being good oriented makes it interesting as wither they fight an impossible fight or are doomed to become liek the Imperium.
@@passerbypooh8049 being mind-controlled is not as bad as being stuffed in what is essentially a giant chicken farm... i mean id rather be an autonomous unfeeling hive mind drone then someone shoved in a factory for 20 hours a day to knowingly work in a place I know is filled with toxins and will eventually kill me...
@Chomag I would imagine it's much easier for them to moderate their population. If you tell a population of humans to restrict how many kids they have, about half of them will ignore that directive. 100% of Tau will follow it.
@@electrohalo8798 Exactly! People have their own freedom of choice as well! Ofcourse, those that choose the other option are lost and heretics, but the option is always there! Can't be brainwashing if some are simply just wise enough to do the right thing and some aren't!
As the great Ethereal O’Mau’tel once said- The alien is not intrinsically evil. Do not hate him. Pity him his ignorance. Seek to understand his differences And acquaint him with his inadequacies. Only then will he accept his place in the Greater Good.
@@johnsandoval1246 Agreed. I find the whole "space communist" thing really tiresome at this point, especially since it isn't even accurate. A rigidly hiererachical society where your birth defines your ability to excercise political authority is about as far from the communist ideal as it is possible to get.
@@Johmpa Indeed. While I enjoy hating on the T'au as much as the next guy, communist isn't really accurate. They seem to be more of a caste based socialist oligarchy than straight communist. Ironically, with the way the Imperium has worlds dedicated to producing certain things, and they are then redistributed throughout the system or sub-sector, the Imperium is more communist than the T'au are. But since all the 40k races are space faring, and since we have never had an interplanetary government in our history, no faction will fit firmly into one category.
@@Johmpa - Well it's an apt comparison when you spend a second to think about how communist societies were also class based, but merely pretended not to be. Most were at the bottom, some had a little bit of control, some had a lot and a very few stood at the top and had all of it. In democratic and republic societies, every person has a voice and an influence, even if it's a drop in the ocean you can still improve your own situation. Among the Tau and in communist societies, influence was a privilege given from above to those who fit the mold perfectly. Feel free to "it's not real communism" all you want, but compared to what we've had and have now, the two societies are very similar. The basic difference is that the Tau are compelled with 'other means' while the others are threatened with violence, social pressure and the unrelenting fear of being exposed by your fellow man as a dissenter.
If it hasn't already been said then I think this deserves a revisit with maybe less bias. Generally love your videos and have never once stopped in the middle and thought "wait... what?" Until this one.
Never been a fan of the idea that the Ethereals TOTALLY control the Tau. It's got to be a combination of sweet talk, Tau genetic disposition (the caste system), and mild mind alteration and culture. There aren't enough Ethereals on the battlefield to keep the Tau from gaining their individuality back, so clearly they do believe individually in the greater good- even if they're helped along by a little _positive thinking_ by the ethereals.
I also like to think their naivety plays a big role as well. That they just see the Ethereals as an asset and don't really totally realize what it is they are getting themselves into.
Best, most realistic case scenario; I would imagine it’s like battle meditation from Star Wars , Having a subtle Blanket affect on large groups making them more cooperative with each other. However, I do realize that is being quite hopeful.
@@murphy7801 I agree. You only need to crack open a history book to see leaders in our own past who were able to easily manipulate masses. Especially in Eastern cultures with a more collective social structure. The difference here is that, by most accounts, the Ethereals are actually offering what seems to be a better way of life. The Tau seem to have secure housing, education, sustenance, healthcare, entertainment, and employment. Sounds like a paradise compared to anything in-setting or out.
They are simply too fucking naive and bright that stand out way too fucking much from the overall grim dark nature of warhammer. Not to mention the fact that should the tau ever end up as a dominant power in the galaxy they will steadily devolve into the same state as the imperium either that or they will be destroyed by a second rise of the man of iron.
Imagine playing 40K against this guy. He probably has names and backstories for every model. "This Guardsman is Fred. He really wanted to be a physical therapist, but his home town was overrun by Orks. He likes the color blue and feels satisfaction when cleaning his flashlight" I'd never want the game to end
@@MapleLeafAce Free to be indoctrinated into into worshipping the emperor and free to die while working a 12h shift having never seen the sun. Sign me the fuck up! Death to the space communists and their reasonable, if brainwashed ways!
But in the imperium you get the love of the emperor on your side. You get to be happy in a hive city. You can eat delicious nutrients packs made from maggots and dead people. Or you can live in the Tau empire. Which is akin to living in communist russia. All you do is work for some Xenos. Worst of all the emperor cannot protect you.
"they decided to lay down their arms and unify for a greater good for all with diplomacy, establishing peace in one hour after a conflict lasting years" me: "wow, that is absolutely inpressive." later in video:" oh please,what kind of a naive fool would believe such a ridiculous thing" me:😰😓
Reminds me of the Liberty Prime quote "Death is a preferable alternative to communism". Except that most people seem to miss that the quote is meant to be satirical
@@ItsKingPeacock agreed id rather the fair blubeery weeaboo space communists that wont inslave me for being a diffrent race and i have a decent quality of life and the abilty to progress in life much better then being turned into servitors or being human cattle in the lower levels of hive citys
This is like when you think you're favourite journalist is the most unbias reporter until they hit one subject that they can't hold their opinion from and go on a rant.
Although the downfall of the Tau seems likely, I don’t think that if the Etherals are killed that the Tau will completely lose their mind, because the farsight enclave operate without the Etherals and they seem to work just fine.
This video is unbiased, lacking in fallacies, and one hundred percent true. Well, aside from those few "positive" aspects of the Tau of course! Those _despicable_ xenos, am I right fellow regular citizens? *This comment has been brought to you by The Inquisition*
We now return to your regularly scheduled program: 101 reasons to give your mind and body over to the imperium, and the emperors will. Now-..whats that? Oh... This just in! The filthy Xenos known as the Tau have BRAIN IMPLANTS! What HERECY! Where is their free will!?
Up And Across perfectly summed up. The 40k universe is filled with stories of “good” deeds that are hardly grey areas and despite the Tau having a few negative traits many more of them have been mitigated against by their leadership and their society. Would it be lovely to have a species that truly is the epitome of goodness? Sure, but they wouldn’t survive long. Even the Eldar have an internal dark side they constantly will themselves not to turn down and Slanesh and the Dark Eldar are a good reason for why they should
@@saucemaster1527 Salty Imperium of man players: "Nooooo! You can't have superior fire power that shreds most of my armoured units and tanks and forces me to not blindly charge at you!" Me a Tau player: "Hahaha rail gun goes bzzzt"
Out of all the races, I would choose the tau, I may be brainwashed but it is better than dying because some inquisitor decided to preform an exterminatus because he was bored
I can’t tell if he’s roleplaying an imperial commissar or he genuinely thinks the tau are worse than the imperium... I think the tau being genuinely more ‘positive’ to some extent is good for the 40k setting. Having some dim light to contrast the endless crushing dark can surely only be enriching
But also they are a young race. I think humanity in the golden age of technology was very similar to the Tau in many ways. I can see the Tau starting to make an AI since because they are naïve and don't believe the warnings of the Mechanicum. The universe is in a constant cycle of powers rising and declining for another to take over. The Necrons were replaced by the Eldar who then declined and were overtaken by humanity. Now humanity is in decline and the Tau are on the rise.
If anything a thin ray of light in a dark universe should only make it seem that much darker. The Tau might not be for everyone, but they’ve got their place in the setting
Now I'm a 40k lore newbie but I gotta say, psychic brainwashing or not, the Tau seem to me to be unequivocally the most positive force in the whole 40k universe. And easily the only one I wouldn't mind being a part of
@@apolloknight9521 No kidding. Say you're a human, you can meet countless grisly ends at the hands of your own government, nevermind all the other horrors of the galaxy. Where as if you join the Tau, sure, no free will but you didn't really have it in the Imperium either. At least they won't kill you just because they can.
@@CallUrDrop Except we live in a world where you can live in countries and communities with free will. These comments are saying compared to the absolute nightmare that is life in the Imperium losing your free-will is not so bad.
Hahahaha Tau soldiers were talking to each other Tau soldier 1: Dude, did you heard we encountered humanoid creatures have 3 lungs, 2 hearts, can spit venom, eat enemy flesh etc Tau soldier 2: Damn nature you scary
@@InquisitorThomas It is odd. As a primary school teacher I would usually use comic sans when putting stuff up for display becasue it shows letters that more closely represent accurate hand writing letter form for when people are developing early writing skills. I love the font.
i was a big warhammer fan as a kid (30yrs ago) recently i hasve been drawn back into warhammer so am getting up to date on races and lore, its thanks to Luetin's videos i am finding learning warhammer again is very easy. huge thanks for your hard work and excellent videos.
No hive city workers get to choose what they do either, at least the Tau get to think it's their idea and don't have 5 million backups when they die at 22 of inhaling toxic gas while working in one of 10 billion weapon producing factorums. Either that or this comment section has been wearing some ethereal approved communication helmets.
@@zachdew9gaming985 man in the dark ages relied too much on warp travel, unlike the tau. The etherals will also handle the AI situation better because they probably wouldn't make anything that they couldn't influence
You seem to forget just how small the tau empire is, they have that luxury. This is why everytime they leave the boundaries of their little happy bubble something grim and dark kicks their teeth in
You mention that Tau seems to abandon The Greater Good as soon as no ethereal is there to control them and use this as an argument that there has to be some kind of mind control/manipulation. I would like to hear some actual examples of this happening, as the only one I can think of is Farsight and he still believes in The Greater Good, he's just become disillusioned with the naivety of the Tau Empire and think that the Tau should work towards The Greater Good without the ethereals leading them. There's also the whole question of whether he is actually corrupted by chaos considering his sword and his unusual life span.
If I remember correctly, I heard from somewhere that when the Tau were first created by Games Workshop, they were meant to be the “Good Guys” of the 40k universe.
yes. as a tau player that is true. they got *inhale* R E T C O N N E D after a bunch of whiny neckbeards complained that iT iSiNt gRiMdArK EnOuGh If ThErE aRe GoOd gUyS!!
@@chrismath149 yeah i could do that actually. i play farsight enclaves anyway though and they got left out of the grimdarkening of Tau, so they are still basically the only good guys in 40k.
I seriously question how much the Tau really are a "slave race". Everything I read indicates the average Tau retain their faculties as sophont beings. At most the Ethereals make others around them suggestible, and have leveraged that to make themselves into the leaders of a species/Empire. Ultimately as a race they are at the whims of the Ethereals, and they do have a highly stratified society leading to little choice over what they can do with their life(something also true in the Imperium!), but any given Tau citizen or soldier has a free mind. Anyway, the Tau are probably just gonna keep on growing, there will be no end in sight. In-universe the Imperium cannot risk sending enough resources to crush the Tau; if they tried, they would lose too much on other fronts. Out-of-universe, GW is never going to deliberately phase out an entire faction for lore reasons(maybe if they transition to a new game, but that's never gonna happen anytime soon). Also, the very existence of the Farsight Enclaves disproves the idea that without the Ethereals the Tau would descend into barbarism. They're just more Tau that don't give **** about the Ethereals anymore and don't follow the Greater Good so closely, without losing the inclusivity that makes them so attractive as a society. Perhaps they couldn't hold the Empire together without their supreme overlords, perhaps they could. We'll never know, probably.
It's interesting to note the lore of 40k is still being written. I'm sure in time they will have their own version of the horus heresy. All races have had their own share of civil wars.
Luetin's point forgets, I think, that we are not 100% free neither. We are subject to charisma, community behaviour and all sorts of emotions and instincts that make up the human experience, and sometimes subtly enough that we don't realize it and believe we're acting purely on our individuality. Or want to believe it. There's no clear cut between the Tau and us, they are simply further on the gradient
I'd be curious to see how the Tau Empire and Humanity would have gotten along if the Emperor's original plan had come true instead of being seen as a God King.
The Emperor was the most Xenophobic man in the History of Humanity. He was a dogmatic atheist secularist Xenophobe, he would’ve slaughtered the Tau to the last man.
Michele Castellotti He was talking about the Emperor of Mankind, whatever be the circumstances I don’t think that he would ever have become comfortable with the Tau.
@@magnusthered5994 no, ignoring that, my question is: if the imperium allowed ogrins and "neko" (ugh...) into their ranks... what is the problem with the tau? Because their skin is blue?
There's just something kind of eerie about that Tau message at the beginning. It was like they were being subtle about how you'll eventually become a part of the Tau Empire. Like mind control kinda stuff
Hang on, didn't farsight (a non ethereal tau) disobey the orders of the ethereal and proceed to establish the farsight enclave with thousands of tau serving him? This whole mind control shtick should have been left at a 2 minute discussion, not enveloping half the video trying to disprove that the tau are actually fighting for the greater good of their own free will. I'm not even a Tau player anymore but I could see why this would annoy people. It has an entirely different feel from the other origins videos by luetin. Did the tau dirty bruh
@@elchipoclevengador He already doubted the Ethereals prior to their death. I think their deaths is what allowed him to act on his own, to having worry about backlash from them.
Farsight demonstrated traits from both the earth caste(engineering/technical) and fire caste(tactical/martial), and those with split traits are considered bad by the ethereals, so he was already on the shit list.
The etherals where killed and farsight was left isolated from them thus his new found independence. I think it's apparent that there is something off about tau society, there are hints everywhere.
The Emperor literally fought against brainwashing and would have a ragefit if he saw the state of the religous zealot Imperium in 40k. He furiously argued that he wasn't a god and was leading due to qualifications.
@@Aichi1138 i think Falkyron is saying that it's not fair comparing the Emperor to the Ethereals because if the Imperium is actually led by the big E it would've been an unimaginably powerful and technologically advanced power it'll squash everyone, but unfortunately that dude is a vegetable.
The longer I watch this video the more these guys grow on me. Even if they are controlling their people on some level, they seem a lot less severe than so many other races. I don't have to worry about brutal inhumane torture with them, I like they don't have the stomach for some of the things the other older races do. That means even if the ethereals are liars and fully aware of the extent of their control and use it willingly they don't seem cruel. They don't want suffering. Like, I can roll with that. Seems not a terrible existence considering so many of the other horrors in the 40k universe. Edit: "Each had individual styles to warfare and relevant philosophical thinking to pair with their approach to military engagements" Ya, ok, that's a level of mental manipulation I could put up with in this universe if we are still capable of this. Sounds like they keep a reasonable amount of individuality.
@@AnEnormousNerd On top of that, despite the water caste trying to sway people away, Gue'vesa are still allowed to praise mighty Emp and live by a less xenophobic version of the Imperial Creed. And a similar case probably happens to the other races in the T'au.
Actually if you read their códex you realize that the way they are portrayed in the video is a exaggeration, there are a lot of signs of individuality, and the ethereal only seem to be giving a slight suggestion field or something of the sort.
@@grerook9427 I thought this might be the case, I've heard they are being darkened to better fit the grim dark atmosphere but this seems like it's taking an extra step.
Here is the issue I have with the mind control theory. In the book Farsight: Crisis of Faith it is confirmed by the actions of Aun'Va that there is absolutely a method by which Ethereals control Tau. I won't spoil the scene. Those who know it, know what I'm talking about. So that confirms your line about them being controled, but I firmly disagree that by losing an Ethereal they would revert back to the Mon'tau mindset. In fact it is also confirmed that the Farsight Enclaves are thriving without Ethereals, and Farsight himself still believes in the Greater Good, albeit wthout the Ethereals. The casts in the Enclaves still cooperate and there is no infighting (on a major scale). The conclusion is, as always, a fine middle ground. Ethereals control the Tau but likely through a means that makes them maliable to the Ethereal's propaganda and not by means of direct control (apart from some circumstances). Globally all Tau HAVE accepted the Greater Good of their own free will and they are so indoctrinated in it now that anything else would likely never occur to them as an alternative.
Likely some sort of mental propaganda where your mind near the ethereals is always thinking some sort of way or having it in the back of your mind, and without an ethereal for the first time the tau might become a bit confused and disoriented why they aren't automatically having thoughts of the greater good in the back of their mind.
Talks about the Tau: Sweet my favorite race. Talks about how they would fall apart without Ethereals: Ok maybe he’s waiting to talk about the Farsight Enclaves as an outlier to that theory. Talks about Farsight and his campaigns: Awww yeah we get to hear about one of the COOLEST Tau Mentions how the Enclaves lost their Ethereals: Oh cool he is going to start talking about the Enclaves as an independent group. Doesn’t talk about how the Farsight Enclaves became a splinter faction of the Tau: WTF man you didn’t talk more about one of THE only examples of a Tau society that continued existing WITHOUT ETHEREALS.
It feels like his talking is like an Inquisitor giving a well-made presentation to their equals. Remember, most things out of universe are written like in-universe Imperial Propoganda already.
If the imperium focused 1%of their forces against the tau they would be whiped out If they were fractured (like the farsight enclave is to the main tau empire) the imperium wouldnt even need that 1% to destory them and then one remembers the tyranids orks chaos ect The tau empire without the etherals becomes a bunch of small farsight enclaves infighting easy pickings
You're view that the Tau would revert back to cavemen without Ethereals is really wrong, Farsight confirms that they are still advanced and intelligent with or without the Ethereals.
Farsight is hardly an unbiased source of information now is he. The only reason the Tau are united is due to the Etheraels, they are the sole reason for the Tau's rapid development and it's not far fetched to imagine that what Luetin said is true.
Caveman is probably an expletive. Probably more akin to return to tribal disputes and warfare. Any advance would be halted by chaos and in fight. Just like humanity. Maybe some splinter world could be fine, but as unified empire, they would crumble from within. The earth caste probably could take over eventually as they retain the technology if they are smart enough to develop defensive measures in time. Maybe becoming increasingly more dependent on AI and create man of iron 2.0 which would be bad for everyone in the galaxy. The air caste could go their own ways and become the tau pirates. The fire caste would deal a lot of damage and maybe try slave the others through force. The water caste would be toast.
Yeah, was thinking the same thing, his Enclave of worlds have been on their own for centuries, and there have been cases of others joining him too out of their free will, and they still have a senses of the Greater Good to, he was just tired of fighting like the Ethereals wanted according to his story as he thought they gave up too easy, and that they din't respect the loses they could take on a mission and see it through too the end.
He said "self determination" which is more like our capitalist society. Not complete chaos but an inate desire to look out for yourself and your family.
Because it is, now stop questioning it. Seriously though, I don't think it is mind control at all since the Tau have no presence in the warp psionically. I am fairly positive it is a pherphmon they release that just makes them really agreeable to other Tau.
As a brand new player to the Warhammer Universe, I find myself extremely attracted to the Tau in various ways; their ideals, philosophies, hierarchies, and their technology no doubt. Even so as I subtle believe the human race could follow this same path to achieve far greater achievements than it ever thought possible through technology and coming together for a single purpose. The Tau act selflessly whether voluntarily or in some manner forced in the pursuit of something that is far bigger than itself. Yes I love individuality and freedom of thought, expression and creating however imagine if there was some idea, some greater threat to humanity that would force us to put aside our petty differences and sense of self for your entire race, culture, and others willing to fight with you to achieve it. The Tau in my opinion could be a bigger threat to the galaxy in another 10k years. Man could never achieve that due to there choice of xenophobia alone.
Okay, so... Three questions 1. Are we... just not going to talk about how the fact a huge number of Tau work in the Farsight Enclaves - An independent state free of Etherals - and isn't in a state of constant civil war and still adheres to the Greater Good, alongside Gue'vesa, which puts a hole in the idea that without Ethereals, Tau would abandon that philosophy and start fighting each other? 2. ...If the Tau ground the Imperial forces to a halt, held the line against *three space marine chapters*, and made the Imperium retreat... How did they get smashed? While they took heavily casualties, that sounds much more like the Imperium getting /absolutely humiliated/ by a tiny race of Xenos they should have been able to obliterate with their thousands of years of experience in warfare. 3 - I don't see how the Ethereals are really any different to the Emperor of Man when you get right down to it. Both use external forces to persuade people to follow them, and because of them, both assign civilisations assign roles to their citizenship before they're even born. So the idea of free will is... Sort of redundant, is it not? Very few races actually employ a sense of free will, so why is it only the Tau who get shit for it?zenship before they're even born. So the idea of free will is... Sort of redundant, is it not? Very few races actually employ a sense of free will, so why is it only the Tau who get shit for it? My biggest issue with this entire video seems to be the idea that the Tau are evil because of their caste system and because they have no real free will - Only two races are really "free", which are the Tyranids (Which might have been made by the old ones if that theory is correct, so is it even free will?) and the Orks, who are universally the biggest pains in the arse in the galaxy. Imperial solders get no say if they get conscripted or not This might be because I'm a Tau main, but there feels like an absolute ton that was just not mentioned. Tau quality of life, the implications of the farsight enclaves, the preservation attitude towards life the Tau have. The Ethereals might be a nasty lot, but as was stated in Tau lore - Without them, the entire Tau race would have been wiped out long ago. In the darkness of the far future, and the galaxy the Tau find themselves surrounded in, that seems truer than ever. I can't find myself too mad at the Ethereals when considering that. Especially when the Imperium does the exact same thing, but with about 1000 times more death.
Really Tyranids free? They are all enslaved to hive mind the diffetence is with the imperium you can make a choice to be a heretic but with the Tau as long as there are ethereals around they cannot ie guardsmen has free will fire warrior does not. fyi not an imperium fanboy my mains are necrons and eldar
@@gumblebrum And? I don't exactly see how choosing to be a Heretic in the Imperium is any different to putting a bullet in your own brain. And plenty of Imperium civilians are simply accused of heresey and then executed - Which at least won't happen within the Tau Empire. Do you consider an ant to be an oppressed species because it lives within a hive mind? Because thats not how a hive mind works. When you truley get down to it, a hive mind would boil down to a pure democracy - All viewpoints considered, all information accepted, and the choice that benefits the most is the one that is taken. A Hive Mind is not an inherently evil thing - It's just a biological component of a species. It's no different to any other. We simply oppose it because as Humans we see it as a way of life against our own. And I can't get angry at the fire caste. Look at the comparison in armor alone between the Imperium and the Tau. A fifteen year old can be dragged from his homeworld, given an absolutely worthless lasgun, and sent against a horde of Orks or Tyranids for no other purpose than to be a seconds worth of a distraction while the space marines get here and do the actual work. The Tau train their warriors from birth. They learn tactics, practice combat, and get given better equipment. The same can be said for their navy and their builders caste. Say what you like about the caste system - At least the Tau prepare their people for the shitshow they're forcing them into - And within that, they're allowed to choose their specific specialty. And thats more than i can say for most species in the fuckfest that is the 41st millennium
The Damocles Crusade was an afterthought of the Imperial Sector it took place in, while the Tau had to literally use EVERYTHING their civilization had to survive. That's why the Tau got smashed, there were no reserves, no second line, no fallback positions. If they had failed and been routed by the Imperium before the Tyranids saved their butts by drawing it's attention away from them, they would of ceased to exist as a species.
True. While I will in no way claim the Tau don't have their darker side I really want to know where this stuff about the Ethereals turning them into unthinking drones is coming from because I've never seen anything to suggest as much in the lore. The only point even sort of hinting there might be a case to be made here is how quickly the Ethereals brought them to peace, but for all we know that's simply because the Tau think differently than humans. Is the Greater Good propaganda just as much as the Imperial Cult? Yeah, they're called Blue Space Commies for a reason. But every first person account we've seen from a Tau suggests nothing about being mind controlled, aware or not. And I've never read of the Tau breaking down outside the effect of an Ethereal, I mean there's Farsight but otherwise (not to mention he broke off while MULTIPLE Ethereal were present)? The only thing I can imagine being referenced here is when division arises in the Tau whether to continue the attack or retreat when an Ethereal is killed, I never attributed this to some sort of mind control being lost but simply the fact that some Tau have stronger will than others when someone the Tau may (foolishly) have made out to be a near god walking in the Tau bedrock, of course some are going to backpedal when their highest ranking officer is slaughtered in front of them.
@@Goldenkitten1 The ethereals aren't turning them into unthinking drones, they're not like the nids. The ethereals definitely have some form of psychic brainwashing or strong psychic suggestion, but in no way do they make them "unthinking drones".
Administratum official: "Hmm... hmmm... oh I found a cross reference for this species..." "6000 years!? What!?" *spits coffee* "And they are trading with human worlds!? I need to make some phone calls!"
I’m so glad most people here agreed with me in thinking that Luetin’s segment on their downsides was too much. The prospect of some megamind dude far away mentally preventing me from murdering my neighbor over muffins and doing my taxes, while also telling everyone else i’m actually a really nice guy, beats by a long shot the average imperial citizen’s life, who in more ignorant colonies can get servitored for praying in the wrong direction. No Tau is allowing themself to be manipulated any more than we are when we surrender all our data to social media and credit cards, perfectly willingly, because it’s convenient and we convince ourselves it’s not a big deal. We might allow ourselves to debate about some abstract notion of personal liberty, but in the 41st millenium, the sheer material reality of Dark Eldar enslavement or worse being an actual possibility renders all debates like that absurd.
we can argue the Etherials control is arguably as influencial to other Tau as modern methods of advertising or propaganda which every nation does. If you hate the Tau and consider them "dystopian" for that then our world isn't much better.
I think he was supposed to be playing into a bit, as if his narration was from the perspective of an Imperial citizen. But yes, the focusing on the downsides of the Tau were over the top. People can fight me on this: the Aeldari and the Tau are the good guys in warhammer. No other faction can argue that. Most fans just dont want to admit that their favorite faction is the bad guys. They hate the idea of good guys in a grimdark setting. Even a 10 year old could see that the Tau represent a better society than almost every other faction.
@@zyggybaranowski6852space communist alien scum are not good guys I would take a Man Emperor over a aliens who force you to join them at least with the imperium the tyrants are human not Mind Controlling aliens
@@zyggybaranowski6852 "Most fans just dont want to admit that their favorite faction is the bad guys" this seems to have gotten more and more pronounced these days. Back when I started playing in 3rd edition everyone seemed to be on the same page with the 'Hell yeah everyone sucks and its fun that everyone sucks' train, but more and more in recent years and especially the last few there's been a huge upsurge in 'Well no no no, my favorite faction does this because its NECESSARY given their situation-' etc etc. It's been a weird sort of reframing and I wonder what changed to make people less willing to say 'hell yeah my faction's a bunch of awful idiots check out this torture device they retrofitted to be a combat unit' like they used to.
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Not my intention to make accusations but I got to say I'm getting some Imperium Fanboy vibes from Lutein on this video, what with all the animosity towards the Tau.
You make amazing content, but did you really have to use comic sans font ;)
"The Tau aren't evil, they just want peace."
"That's just what THEY WANT YOU TO THINK!"
"... Well, it's working."
A peace where you low-key have to do everything some aliens say is still a peace where you have to do everything some aliens say. You just get disappeared instead of shot. Same effect.
That said, I love Tau technology, and the Earth Caste is my favorite group of people in the entire setting. They _actually want to innovate,_ and that's _so rare._
I'll take that instead of a peace where you straight up have to do whatever someone with a stylized I on their belt says or your entire planet gets exterminated.
To be fair, half the 40k factions want peace but to do so requires copious amounts of warfare, genocide, and the violation of every individual right a person can have a trillion times over...so they do that on a regular basis.
joshua kim and thats the difference. The tau want to coexist, NOT genociding xenos.
@@Kaarli Exactly, personally i'd think the tau are the race that will rule once the Imperium falls
Of course the Tau use comic sans, the most heretical of fonts.
Tyranids use wingdings, that's what I've heard.
Some savants within the Imperium whisper that the Necron uses something along the lines of the ancient Terran language simply known as "Excel" from the people Mikresuft.
@@TaCo0oCaT I believe that you're mistaken - I have it on good authority that they use the archaic language of Esquell.
Worry not,we shall purge them and their heretical fonts!
We shall know our brothers from heretics by their clean *New roman times font*
Keep your eyes peeled, there reports that spies have been seen slipping up by using _Italics_
@@johangustafsson9522
At least wingdings knows it's silly!
when they tactically retreat to gain advantage, they should call it throwing in the Tau
The secret Tau race technique.
Retyeet
Thats it! Making a custom tau army in DoW. The Tau'l
It took me a second to get it... 😔😂
You should always know where your Tau is
Empire: Capture, imprison, and seperate some Tau
Imprisioned Tau: Become despaired
Empire: See, clearly there is physic manipulation going on.
It's the imperium of man not the empire of man those two are completely different
@@holy_crusaderoftheholyland4713you know, I watch these videos, I’m a loser. But seeing lorebeard comments like this remind me I’m not too far gone
@@hansofaxaliathis is the kind of human interaction im here for.
This is a Tau video please don’t bring up the Impire of Man
@@BriahnAznable I'm calling it. That was foul. -Umpire of Man
"At least the genocides were honest" is one of the funniest things i can imagine a 40k fan to say
Yeah Haha... I love the video though, for the thing that he left clear is that he doesn't like tyranny and neither autocracy.
"magnus did nothing wrong"
There's another one for the list.
A good honest genocide, not what those other Gue'la sully themselves with.
Genocide victim: "At least they were honest about it"
More like Germany to the United states and Canada.
its funny how the tau empire at its current state is closer to what the emperor of man would have wanted the imperium to be than the imperium itself
underrated comment
HERESY!
actually kinda true
I was the funny number like
HERESY!!!!
*Tau meets humanity*
Tau: Geez what a bunch of crazy genocidal xenophobes. What the hell happened to them?
*Tau meets Orks*
*Tau meets Chaos*
*Tau meets Tyranids*
*Tau meets Dark Eldar*
Tau: Oh that's what happened
You forgot the part where a stupid guy with a gold fetish took over, forced most human worlds into a dictatorship without any good successors taking care of things if he failed - Primarchs being flawed and incapable as the Horus Heresy has proven - leading to the decline of humanity in a state that might be worse than what happened during the dark age of technology and probably dooming the majority of mankind in the long run (unless they pull some deus ex machina again). If the Emperor had not intervened humanity would have been off much better though it would have taken longer to form a new galactic human civilization.
@Random Grey Knight I'd listen too a grey knight son. Not even the warp itself stops you, they fear you.
@Random Grey Knight But thats just it, Earth was doing bad and so were 100s of other human colonies. However, there were human worlds such as Rophanon that were totally fine and beyond peaceful/prosperous. Tyranid invasion aside. They were doing just fine without the imperium. Ironically enough being apart of the imperium in "good" standing during the same series of events (The Tyranid invasion). Theres a good chance they would've still used Exterminatus on the planet. So either way the imperium was the death of this nearly perfect world of humanity. There are many other examples of worlds not invaded by any xeno, doing perfectly fine, and the imperium brought war and chaos to their world.
@Random Grey Knight That's imperial propaganda. Terra was certainly a huge post-apocalyptic mess, but a lot of the worlds that were forced into "compliance" during the Great Crusade had better administration and were more technologically advanced. A lot of them were doing perfectly fine and started to communicate with other nearby human civilisations. If you've been reading the Horus Heresy series, all the books point out subtlely that the Emperor might have been the vanguard of his own destruction: dabbling into the occult, getting most of his powers from the Chaos gods themselves, being a terrible father for his primarchs, building a incompetent and bloated bureaucratic power structure, and seeing everything and everyone as mere tools for his own goals...
Can you still look at the what the Imperium has become and not see that this guy has totally and utterly failed at saving humanity from itself? The fact is that in 40k, some of the most dangerous foes of mankind is mankind itself. Only the Tyranids are arguably a worst threat than Chaos which is by and large made of humans turned traitors. Most other xenos aren't immediate threats: Eldars are too few and too divided, while the T'au are still a small empire with limited strategical mobility and even the super numerous and agressive Orks are too divided to be a continuous threat (they're not to be underestimated, but the fact is that they have troubles to remain united for long).
The Imperium might be all they've got, but they haven't got much in the end. Had the Emperor been less extremist and had at least planned that he might not been there forever, it might not have gone full retard after he was mortally wounded. Instead it reverted into a nightmarish totalitarian theocratic barely organised chaos. What a huge success this is! :D
@@chrismath149 cease your hearsay or be scorched
Imperium: *kills all Ethereals to break the Tau mindcontrol*
Tau: *still work together for the greater good*
Imperium: 👁👄👁
Imperium: Wait... you are telling me that people can actually work together because they want a better world for everyone?! We gotta purge them NOW!
Basically farsight in nutshell lol
And then they slaughter them too to make up for the oversight 😅
@@anshumaankumar8684and then dies only 100 years later as the amount of resources needed to perform an exterminatus against their entire species and all of its allies will require leaving late parts of the imperium fringes very weak leading to the fall of cadia becomming an avg Tuesday as the ever encroaching tyranid main fleet will definitely be taking advantage of that. Since they are far enough apart that the fleets killing tau will be unable to leave and go to assist the fight against the tyranids in time.
There's a reason they havnt done it. You really think the imperium would have let them get this powerful if they had the resources for a full over 200 planet exterminatus while also not leaving their flanks exposed.
The imperium utterly hates these guys. They represent the polar opposite of the imperium in almost every way.
And yet they didn't crush them.
When your species becomes obsessed with not advancing and in fact has slowly lost tech and now focuses on swarm tactics and meat shields with a small tactical units of highly advanced specialists (almost like the tyranids have a similar method). You become very vulnerable to ultra long range ai powered drone weapons.
Not saying they couldn't wipe them out. But by the time they get through the last of the moons full of nukes turned into kamikaze planes the size of hyperion and mimas from our own solar system. They will have no imperium to return to
@@Aztesticals autism
"Society with different races all working together to benefit eachother without cracking whips"
Imperium: Must be some kind of magic mind control!
That must be some sort of religion and imperium must purge them.
Well...it's true. Reality has rules :D
@@bitharne considering all the info on the mind control coms from the imperium and all other sources say other wise it's most likely they aren't being controlled. just propaganda on the imperium's part
I guess you could get away with this idea with the tau themselves but that would take some explaining for all the other creatures of in the universe that join them.
I mean heresy or not whats the same with Humans saying there Emperor is there GOD (The bad ones that ignore the Emperors wishes to not be called a God) and te Tau? Except the Tau wants to be peaceful. Still bad but the lesser evil. Or do you want to be in slave camps in human worlds with little to nothing to eat whipped every hour for a possibly dead emperor? I like the Emporium of man but come on think a bit realisticly
The Avatar Tau was a master of all four elements. But when they needed him most.... he died in melee combat.
“The Avatau” lol
that's because he rejected Farsight's teachings
@@lazy9353 Bahahahahahaha, there will always be an Avatau!
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Farsight would like to know your Location!
Tau: *being brainwashed*
Imperium: *literally turning people into lobotomized computers*
Let us not forget that those lobotomized are usually criminals put to better use, in a way. Not all of them though, not at all. But still.
@@TheDrawnBlade Also a bunch of Servitors are lab grown because the need for them is so great.
@@concept5631 Which precisely proves the fact that it isn't as widespread of a practice and that it's being used out of necessity of the situation.
@Paul Palmer Your sarcasm is layered on so thick you could make jello out of it.
@@TheDrawnBlade Or pancakes. Either way, it is deliciously grimdark.
"The Tau truly are the worst race! Now, citizen, you have been volunteered to join the Imperial Guard. Enjoy your free will! And don't forget that questioning the Imperium is heresy!"
It really is pretty ironic that he’s saying that shit while loving the imperium
@@DabroodThompson You are also free to join -chaos- or you know -rebel- wich happens a lot.
@Brad Hissman yay dying in war
I’d rather die with my free will intact than live in enslavement of the mind. Didn’t any of you watch V for Vendetta?
@@KelebMoonDancer you’re free in the ray to rebel
"But at least I'm not brainwashed!" the 21 year old man in the late third of his life, working in a hive city and never saw the sun, cried when he watched this video.
Clearly not. They can choose to join genestealers or Chaos, they might even consider secession. Tau are so indoctrinated they can't even consider those as possible unless the Etheral is dead
ⰎⰋⰕⰜⰑⰓⰡⰁ225 the Farsight Enclave shows they can choose as well. They broke away from the Empire.
Kind of reminds me of people earning minimal wage on 2 jobs complaining about high taxes in Denmark.
@@Lightscribe225 Being a slave to the empire or defecting to chaos. Such a good choice.
@@chaptap8376 Considering Chaos offers potential immortality and living on a planet that you can shape as you desire, it kind of it.
Tau: We seek harmonious and mutually beneficial co-existence
Everyone Else: Then you evolved in the wrong Universe.
Literally. We want grim dark lmao. Tau are kinda cool though.
@@AKUJIVALDO Communists are extremely based. Especially when they eradicate (space) Nazis nearly by themselfes.
@@AKUJIVALDO But the fascist/theocratic Imperium is? I can understand not liking their art style, but why complain about communism in a universe where far worse things exist?
@@oezibanana8664
The tau aren't even communist they have a caste system but i do acknowledge that is the meme
@@unatco1148 Oh, i have not the slightest idea about 40k. I just like these videos. 🙂
“Mental enslavement is a million times worse than literal enslavement!” -some imperial loyalist probably
- Leutin, probably
Its...still enslavement lmao
@@theprancingrat the former, you don't even know you're in it. Or in fact you might think that willingly embrace it.
The latter, you know you're in it and have to suffer through it.
Some filthy space Nazi ..
Yup. That's some Space Nazi logic.
"We hear this tale of how this fifth cast appears out of nowhere, and only with a few words end savage conflicts that only showed bitterness and no signs of ending...Please! Only the most naive could believe such a bitter tale!"
Emperor of Mankind: *singlehandedly unites the trillions of mankind to work together and even suffer inconceivable horrors for the purpose of lofty ideals, while he sits on a golden throne*
Oh yeah, the Ethereals really are such Machiavellian bastards. What are they up to now...
Literally this yeah. I interpret the ethereals as similar to the emperor, a sort of evolutionary leap designed to elevate the species into space faring complexity
Lmao this is exactly what I was mentioning in my comment
Yeeeaaaah, but it wasnt with mind control was it? The emperor conquered terra and other planets through force.
@@KelebMoonDancer I mean... An all powerful psyker united humanity if not via conversion or telepathic influence, then by force... It seems just as bad if not worse, and echoes the idea of "we must unite to survive the dark and dangerous universe, regardless of how it is done" exactly. IE: the ends justify the means.
@@V3RTIGO222 Thats literally the only way to survive in 40k yes, its a gruesome reality all races come to realize, except orks, and nyds, but they are special.
Hmmm, being mind-controlled into doing yoga, being nice and working for the greater good,
or eating a nutrient Paste. being a cog in a machine and worrying anything and everything be considered heretical and thus death?
This is a hard one?
Dude, they cut your balls off. The choice is clear, I rather die from a las-bolt to the head then be neutered by a fucking blueberry flavoured, alien manlet.
Greater “good”? Heresy, pure and simple, of the kind that requires a _heavy_ flamer.
"Brainwashed" Ah yes, I would love having my personality shunted to the back of my mind to be used like a meat puppet. Lovely.
Yes.
I mean personally I find it shit to think something would silence the will of a sentient being.
But to force a being to do that to itself...
Yes being indoctnatated from birth means you don't realise your being controlled but hay lets not get the fact they both are controlling masses one just puts a positive spin to it while the other one is work or die. One is honest the other just lies and tricks or forces you into believing said lie so ya. Imperium
Imperium of Man:
Citizen 1: Brethern behold, I figured out a new method in which to dispose bacteria from the oral passages.
Citzen 2: *GASP*
*2 weeks later*
Imperium Judge: It is for these reasons, citizen, by the will of the Emperor, you are sentenced to death for Heresy.
The Tau:
Citizen 1: Look, I invented a new toothbrush.
Citizen 2: Cool.
>2 weeks later
Said citizen wouldn't live to see the end of the day.
Orc 1: this piece of scrap metal is a toothbrush
Orc 2: Of course it is
The scrap metal begins to actually function as a toothbrush
Citizen 3: for the greater good.
We are laughting and all, but something ery similar is happening in the US and masks
okay but real talk how much can you really improve a toothbrush. like, you can make it electric and go spinny. now what?
"The Tau"
_Presented by your favourite Inquisitor Propagandist of the Empire_
SebSk seriously, this comment nails it so much, its goddamn funny. Thank You, everytime, i See a luetin Video, i think of this comment :D
lol exactly
@@Kaarli Thanks lol, I had no idea this got so many likes, drowned in the void until @Foxy replied ^^
imagine simping for the brainwashed fish commies
This comment, presented to you by a tau infiltrator!
Few missing points about farsight.
1.) even without his Ethereals, he still believes in a version of the greater good, as do those in the enclaves themselves. So the idea isn't all bunk, as if it was, the enclave wouldn't continue functioning the way it does without Ethereals.
2.) Mind control or no, the Tau society is better. This can also been seen by Commander Fatsight's Enclaves. As he has a world of Human Helpers under his command. These humans are just as devoted to the "greater good" under farsight as they are under the ethereals. If it was just a "mind control" deal, then why would human imperials still be working with Farsight in the absence of ethereals? And if it was worse being under a Tau leader, why wouldn't they have attempted to defect back to the emperor?
3. ) the grim-dark part of Farsight comes from his sword... Every soul he takes extends his life, but he (so far) has no knowledge of this and it is unknown if the Enclaves can / would survive without his leadership or restructuring. So only time will tell if the "greater good" is an actually possible / functional idea based on how the Farsight Enclave fairs going forward.
My personal thoughts? The ethereals suppress a lot of the "conflict" parts of the brain. Physical acts of aggression are made harder in the presence of ethereals, which makes it easier for the Tau to work together. However it also explains why they have a hard time "digging in" as mentioned in this video. It also explains why it took longer for the more aggressive caste (the fire caste) to come around to the idea of the greater good. With more anger, or aggressive nature, more would have had to be oppressed. However the capability to work together is still entirely possible (again as seen by the Enclaves). Rather without the Ethereals (at present time for the Tau) they would need additional bureaucracy to settle disputes, and would probably need more of a way to deal with violent crime in their society. IT wouldn't destroy them, but it would slow their advance substantially, which would have the consequence of leading them to their own downfall. Though only time will tell, as if the Farsight Enclave succeeds then it is indeed possible for the Tau to exist without the Ethereals, and indeed fight for a greater good.
I agree with your interpretation. It makes the most sense that the Etherals just convince people who all believe in the same ultimate goal that their plan is the best. The first generation of Tau wanted what was best for their tribe, and the Etherals made them all agree that the best course of action was the Greater Good. For the next generation of Tau who were raised into believing the Greater Good the same way everyone in both 40k and our world is raised into an ideology, the Etherals made them all agree what said Greater Good was. It's how they can have such single-minded pursuit of specific scientific advancements. All the scientifically inclined Earth Tau are influenced to believe that researching x is the best way forward. It's like real world hypnosis, you can't be forced to do something you don't fundamentally want to do. The Etherals decided that ignoring the Chaos was the best way to deal with them, so everyone did ignore them. This only works if the Etherals are themselves a hive mind that makes collective decisions, which I can get behind.
Also as someone with mental illnesses and who takes medication for it, your thoughts being influenced by something that isn't your conscious being, instead neurochemicals, doesn't feel like a foreign invasion. A big part of therapy for depression or aniexty is learning to tell apart thoughts that are useful vs those that are born from your mental illness and aren't useful. I imagine that's what the Etherals feel like.
For that last part, it’d also explain why certain races are basically just straight up off limits. Lessen the aggressive aspects of the Ork brain and suddenly they’re not having fun and cant do shit. Peaceful Tyrranids can’t happen since they’re biologically coded to hunt. Demons are both too new for them to figure out and also far too chaotic to suppress, and the Necrons are robots with basically no emotions to subconsciously affect anyways. That kinda only leaves the Eldar (who seem completely uninterested in the Tau), Humans (who either oppose them or have already joined), Abhumans not already a part of the imperium, and the races already absorbed into the Tau empire.
All things considered, they are doing pretty damn great
It's also grimdark how the Tau have no choice what caste they're put in. Sorta like eugenics
@@thatnumber202 the problem is it's watered down grimdark. The average tau citizen isn't doing anything inherently evil or violent. Compared to the tyrannids, the orks, chaos, the drukari, and even humanity... What do the Tau do that would compare? I get they are supposed to be a different kind of evil, more subtle and manipulative, but come on: in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, being a Tau is obviously the best possible life.
@@thatnumber202 You mean like a human? Just that your predetermined destinity is never endless pain and suffering for the imperial lie. A Tau always has the ability of self determination...so what if an Ethereal can make you shoot yourself...any part of the imperial apparatus will do the same for way less and to you and your extended family after torture.
My youngest child is always telling me she does things "for the greater good." I'm beginning to suspect she is a Tau sympathizer...
Deliver the defective youngling to the local inquisitor and present yourself, your wife and the rest of your relatives for sterilization...
Actually, nevermind.
*Headsmash Exterminatus button*
Purge
SHEIS A HERETIC SMASH HER FACE INTO A PULP AND BURN THE REST (from a triggered space marine)
@@PedroMM193 you mad man! Have you not seen on which planet this heretic lives?! You have doomed Holy Terra, may the Emperor save our souls...
*The Emperor ready to be reborn likes this*
Sounds like a human on the right path. :p
Leutin made this video with an Inquisitor's lazgun at his back
You don't need to have a bolt pistol placed on the back of your head to know these blue space communists who watch too much mecha anime need to be purged with the Holy Light of the Emperor! We can keep the sick robot suits tho, those are pretty dope and acceptable levels of heretical.
Seriously though the T'au are the most interesting faction in the Warhammer universe in my opinion. They have such a different outlook on their society and the universe they live in than the jaded Aeldari, stubbornly uncompromising Imperium, and general OM NOM NOMming of the Tyranids. And there is an undeniable dark side to this reality; the T'au people are seemingly psychically controlled to serve the Ethereal Caste, and they aren't opposed to ethnic cleansing or exploiting the races they assimilate for labor, but they definitely feel like more more of a force for good in the galaxy than the half-dead empires of ancient factions still trying to hold out in a war of attrition that will grind billions more lives and planets to dust.
Aurora Lee so purge the xenos then keep all of their aesthetically pleasing shit?
@@auroralee in my opinion the farsight enclaves are the most interesting and realistic people in the 40k universe
@@nikik5567 Yes. Exactly. The Techpriests get to play with all those fun new toys
@@joshuacollins5523 Yeah definitely. I regret I dont know a lot about them, but they seem so cool to have stepped away from the indoctrination of the main T'au caste system, and they follow the Greater Good because they want to, rather than forced to.
>Tau sends you a message
>Its in comic sans
>Laughs in Imperium
*High gothic
I'm pleased I wasn't the only one who saw that. I was watching this again and was all "I'm sorry, is that fucking comic sans?" And went to the comments. Certainly a bold and contentious choice lol
>Grabs heavy flamer
>That's_a_purgin.jpg
What font would the Eldar use?
@@harrisonlichtenberg3162 Papyrus
Know this is a bit late, but imo, the T'au didn't need the whole mind control subtext, and shouldn't have anything that makes them more grimdark. The fact that they exist as a small-but-positive-collective race at all in the 40k verse is grimdark enough.
And most would agree with you, it was a knee jerk reaction to a vocal minority that kinda screwed with the writing. Luckily you can just pick and choose what to enjoy and how to perceive things. It’s a fictional universe meant to be the groundwork for the stories the fans make, it’s meant to be bent
psha, it's just imperial propaganda. "Good people?!?! MIND CONTROL SLAVES!!!!" I repeat, imperial prop
Late to answer but i like to think that most would agree with you. Its why im glad the Farsight Enclaves exists as they are basically the reset back to form for the Tau
Their mind control is not canon, its just implied, and you still have more free will than with humans, orks, tyranids and necrons.
@@blutwirbel3180 Sadly, Phil Kelly did make it actually canon, in the Farsight Trilogy, what with Aun'va literally mind controlling a water caste tau into killing herself, for the great, great crime, of helping someone else with a speech
It’s an older video, but I feel like a major point was missed. The farsighted enclaves break much of what is said about mind control. The truth is that the enclaves still believe in the greater good, and are still banded together, despite having all four castes in their ranks. Although a broken, and independent faction, the enclaves aren’t mind controlled, they instead truly believe in the greater good.
Here here!
@Wignat Fedposter no a century.
Remember that commander Farsight only rebelled after his Ethereal overseer died. No Ethereal's and they immediately rebelled being so far from main Tau space, but they had commander Farsight to lead and unify them.
that sounds like some heresy to me
Now that group sounds great
"your faith is cool but my drone guided missiles are better"
- Some Tau Commander fighting the Imperium Probably
Coming more from the DoW games, I did once get to play a table top match with Tau vs Imperial Guard with a back line of the Tau railgun units (XV88's). With a combination of some glorious dice rolls, the IG's vehicles were all but wiped out in the first fire phase. Suffice to say it was a deeply satisfying result.
"Your greater good is cool, but my chainsword is better"
- _Some Adeptus Astartes fighting the Tau_
@@reborncrusader6509 YA ZOGGIN' CHAINSWOD IS GOOD SPESS MARINE, BUT MY POWA' KLAW IS BETTER
@@blake3631 How primitive, my Ctan phase blade is obviously the superior weapon
-A necron overlord, maybe
"the tau are an enslaved state" - worker having his rectum examined with a pistol by an inquisitor
That's Imperium free healthcare.
@@oldleatherhandsfriends4053 yeah but look how long the emperor's been on that waiting list ....
@@shanehawkins4158 well he does get fed a steady diet of psychics
Obamacare - Thanks Obama
He's an lord inquisitor
The Tau must feel like all those time in Stellaris where you spawn next to all the advanced start empires, and they're all Fanatic Purifiers, Devouring Swarms, and Determined Exterminators.
Every bloody time i play i feel like the Tau
those starts can be quite powerful as they allow you to either
-annex a lot of Systems right from the start
-have valuable training for the early game military aspects of the game and enjoy lots of "fun"
Imperium: heh look at these dumb blue guys smashing rocks together
(Essentially the equivalent of 10 days pass in 40k time)
Hey we just blew up this spacecraft and a few blue dudes came out
Imperium: 😬
Lol
Its a bit like when that termite infestation you forgot about has spread in the corner of your basement and now you have to go and squash them.
@@nutyyyy but then the termites squash you
@@nutyyyy except you ignored the termites for 2 weeks and now they have rail guns lmao
You still use stick to kill the termite,the termite kill you hard with plasma and railgun
"They are the worst of them all! And their day of ruination WILL come!" -Lutien
Wow man. Tell us how you really feel. Lol.
"Free will" is kind of a meaningless concept when your life is pretty much "toil for some leader until you die" as is the case for the Imperium. It's less "ignorant bliss vs a hard but free life" and more "a comfortable standard of living but your motivations ultimately arent your own vs a miserable life of suffering but your motivations arent your own unless you are a member of a noble family and inquisitors dont torture and kill you for not following doctrine"
Also consider that the Ethereals control the Tau Empire, but that isn't the only Tau society: the Farsight Enclaves are a thing, and possibly the best example of a not-so-hellish faction in 40k.
I'd still pick the Tau empire anyday. the Imperium as a society is a rotten corpse.
@@raikun2963 yeah but guilliman to all of that. He's now the defacto emperor, is an eternal (or something close) and seems to want to reshape the empire that real world humans would see as a fair, logical society.
If warrior based... but hey... its the 40k universe... war isn't going anywhere.
Well there are many not so bad planets in the imperium, if you are born in a forge world or in a death world though luck. Those are the most explored in the lore because they are interesting concepts, but the imperium also has pleasure worlds and agri worlds and also a bunch of really liveable ones. The inquisition wouldn’t even look at them if there aren’t genestealers/chaos cults/insurrections. Your life can vary from awesome to hellish, but at least you are not a lobotomised husk (unless they turn you into a servitor for some serious crime).
@@TheAlbonnn so having >1% chance of being born in a semi nice place to live is better than having a 99% chance of being born in a semi nice place?
I love how half of your points about the Tau could also apply to the tech age humans and their eventual fall to chaos, while the other half could just as easily be applied to 40k humans, with indoctrination and all that, not to talk about lobotomy and slavery
Agreed lol, I was kind of taken aback by the bias in this video. Great WH content creator but I guess it's important to reserve a bit of healthy skepticism towards his points. I'm newer to the community and to my understanding he is just an imperium fan so that might be part of his style.
Pointless job in Tau society?
Advanced close combat specialist trainer.
Satanperkele lol
They do learn martial arts in the fluff, not for actual combat use but more for the sense of discipline
Tau:Hands a pulse rifle to human gue'vesa trainee
Gue'vesa:"how about a melee weapon?"
Tau: "you mean the kroot"
No, it has a point. It has a lot of pointing. You point at a location and tell the Kroot "smack it"
@@RightJackAtYa It's funny how everyone says the Tau have no Melee......Oh yes they do......I would not want a Kroot pack or Krootox in my face.......Oh and I definitely wouldn't want a Greater Knarloc in my face either.
Luetin's spicy hot takes on Tau: Mindcontrol bad and that's why Tyrannids are a better society.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Tau have to do what their commanders tell them to do and thats why the imperium is a better society.
The whole mind control thing is the most boring garbage to ever be retconed.
@@joestevenson5568 yep, in the Imperium you have the option to say "no" in before you get shot/tortured xD You made a solid point there
Joe Stevenson you sure about that my guy
@@Dorfanable I liked it better that they're a naive race of good aliens in the middle of the grim dark universe who foolishly think peace is an option
It's hilarious that way
I love how he still sounds like some sort of imperial record keeper as if you can't see bias which I beleive is ment is to be there which I love its quite enjoyable.
It's a super biased commentary, so more like imperial propaganda speaker I think
dude hates the emperor...i very much doubt it.
@@kreuzrittergottes9336He hates the emperor so much he's adopted the imperials rhetoric
Luetin09: "You can at least say that their (the Imperium's) crusades, their wars, battles and genocides were honest. That they owned their intentions..."
The Imperium of Man: *Laughs in religious indoctrination*
This. They really don't. The Imperium is the party of lies, censorship, and indoctrination. Keep in mind, they don't want people to so much as know things like Slaanesh even exist, so the overall ignorance of mankind in 40K is pretty stunning compared to even the most casual 40k game player. Nothing about the Imperium is honest, and it really speaks volumes just how much effort needs to go into spreading Imperial propaganda just talking about the Tau not to exemplify what shitheads they are, as opposed to comparing Tau more to say Eldar or a young pre-golden age mankind. It's because the Imperium itself is irretriavably dogshit in the 41st millenium and that's basically the entire point of 40K and its writing, which is how thoroughly broken and dystopian everything else. Even pre-Horus Heresy was unbelievably horrible, genocidal, corrupt, lying about its genocide or real motivation to doing it sometimes, and all this is because a lot of people want to believe the Emperor and Imperial propaganda out-of-game and take it at face value rather than what it is, which is basically the darkest most dystopian and over the top setting imaginable.
The main issue with the Tau is being introduced is because basically by being even a *little* less shit, ends up contrasting so sharply with how horrible the Imperium truly is when you're no longer comparing our world to theirs, but anything existing in universe at all besides them, and it basically takes Chaos, Dark Eldar, and Tyranids even to make the Imperium seem like a plausibly necessary evil. So really it's more a problem the Tau don't truly fit in and never did because they're literally the only good guys in 40K regardless if even the worst accusation against them was true.
I usually agree with his observations but laughed at this. Nothing at ALL about the imperium is honest.
Personally I’ll take the Tau microdosing me over the imperium sending me and everyone I love to a slave colony because I only prayed to the emperor 15 times today instead of the prescribed 16.
@@Right_Meowww uhh, hello heretic, it's *30* prayers a day now!
You do this again and we'll turn you and everyone you love into servitors!
One of my favourite little bits of lore is actually from Dawn of War. When the Tau encounter people speaking to them with the warp, they only hear a light buzzing that they think is from their com units. This causes an entertaining exchange of dialogue where some forces talk to them and they just talk about maintenance or interference and dismiss it entirely.
Just a nice case of the creators sticking to the canon.
This is like listening to Space Alex Jones warn us about T'au
joe perkowski Except it’s REAL.
Xeno sympathizer.
All hail the Greater Good!
I don't like 'em putting chemicals in the geneseed that turn the freakin' primaris gay!
Alright Joe, you get an upvote! LOL!
But seriously, Monarchia were crisis actors. Study it out.
These guys seem like the most merciful and kind faction i like them
And this video clearly doesn’t like them very much. There’s actually very little evidence of mind control and Tau who mistreat the other races in the empire are severely disciplined.
Tau "Empire" with less than 200 worlds. The only reason they weren't eliminated is because other aliens are more important.
@@weeabooman2867 200 worlds in only a few milennia from cavemen building fires is pretty damn impressive for the youngest faction in the setting.
@@zatoby6705 seriously, the Tau are kinda on a roll
That's because Leutin (real name Karl Benjamin) is a known white supremacist, brexit supporter, got booted from UKIP for makkng rape joke qt female Labour MP. Considering this, it makes sense as to why he'd hate the Tau and love the Imperium.
Well clearly _someone_ got dumped by a Tau.
THIS IS NOT FUCKING CANON!
F
No! Avert your gaze, Brother!
Tau tiddys are temporal,
The Emperor's love is eternal!
Right?! Talk about salty... Sounds like he's blaming an Etherial for when that Water caste jerk broke up with him...
@@RailgunCat ...do you want to talk about this?
The more I watch these videos, the more I believe these are actually imperium training videos
They couldn't be because he also smacktalked the imperium
Where do i collect my bolter?
Maybe he‘s an unknown good god
@@40kbrit47 if you go few hundred meters straight you‘ll see some stormboyz maybe you find one there
If you watch one of his other videos he actually states its an act because we are supposed to see it from an Imperial perspective.
"should I play astra militarum or T'au?"
*T'au use comic sans*
"GUARDSMEN, SHOW NO MERCY! THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!"
The Imperium uses only the finest Gothic script, the most based of all the fonts
@@darrynmurphy2038 and flashlight rifles
I actually like the Tau more than any other race or faction in 40k. Heresy be damned
Lmak
THAT'S HERESY.
PREPARE TO DIE.
Heretic
Yes Inquisitor, It's this guy right here
But but but waaaaagh!
Even the worst possible jobs in the Tau Empire sound much better than the best jobs in the Imperium of Mankind.
Until their arrogant naiveté and refusal to learn from vastly more experienced races results in their being totally helpless to resist enslavement by AI or Chaos.
Hey, Inquisitor! I found a heretic!
@@IrishCarney To be fair, every empire in 40k is extremely proud and arrogant, even in defeat.
@Wignat Fedposter :DDDD
@@EloquentTroll töten sie mit flammen! Töten sie mit flammen!!!!
The Tau: mildly reasonable, avoid conflict if possible, has a concept of tactical retreat, don't engage in melee (apparently?)
Every other 40k faction: *hysterical laughter*
Also, the Imperium of Man: *loads bolters with purging intent*
and in the middle of reload he got headshotted with a pulse rifle
@sol1d gh0st that sounds like my last DoW match against my buddy who mains Tau
Tau army it is turkey shooting gallery
I'm from the future; oh they engage in melee... with their rifles lmao
My friend: So now you have Warhammer Soulstorm. Take a look at each race and tell me which ones you liked the most.
Me: Robot dudes
Friend: These are the Tau, Xeno Space Communists.
Me: Cool robot dudes with Mecha Suits, I'll Main this race fuck it.
Friend: ... *Points a Revolver to the back of my head with a Commissar Hat*
You friend is really a dick and misinformed isn't he?
**HERESY**
@@ZetsubouGintama Hey bro. Which planet do you live on? Asking for a friend.
@@kevinbaum8668 Korhal. Good luck finding that. It was in another universe.
damn heretics!
There are two kinds of people in this world. The people who like grimdark: "The Tau mind control their subjects, and without that they turn into evil remorseless killers!"
And the people who like other, more hopeful genres: "The Tau are just nicer than the rest of the galaxy."
the tau are just nice guys that are trying to give house warming presents to neighbors that want to burn there house down because they think the house is an eyesore
I mean the imperium also brainwashes their citizens, the only difference is the T'au don't have to work as hard , or as brutal
so people that like warhammer, and those that don't?
Honestly, the latter is more grimdark.
Why have the Tau be so small and weak and struggle so much if they are just as bad as the rest of the setting? It is more poignant to watch a bright light of hope be snuffed out, or twisted as it grows beyond a few worlds.
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It is the 51st Millennium. For only the last century, the Greater God has governed its vast empire from the first sphere of Tau'va. It is the master of all minds and hearts in the T'au Empire, and its circuits scream with the captured souls of mankind. Crafted from the great technological leaps in the thirteenth sphere of expansion, this Abhorrent Intelligence seeks to bring a new era of peace through tyranny, an end to Chaos and freedom.
The Greater God's eyes and ears are on every world in the T'au Empire, ready to send its obedient Caste-bound Enforcers. Ragged fleets of refugees containing the dying remnants of countless races flee the baleful gaze to other regions of space, braving even the horrors of the Warp. Defending them are the brave Farsight Infernos, cyber-uploaded battlesuit heroes of unmatched skill and ingenuity. Their comrades in arms are few but fierce: The ancient Astartes superhumans of Ultramar and Fenris, the rowdy Krootork shamans and mercenaries, the devoted human Psykers of the Ophelian Ecclesiarchy, and even the few surviving Necrons and Eldar Tomb Lords. But for all their courage, they face oblivion between the cold grasp of the Greater God's cyborg slaves on one side and the always eager jaws of Chaos on the other.
To be a man in such times is to be the last hope of one dying species among many. It is to live in constant fear of the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of mankind, when so many have fallen with the collapse of its last empire. Forget a brighter future, for it died with the failure of mankind's successors. The Five Dark Gods of the Ruinous Powers laugh as their long game slowly reaches its end.
That or the Greater Good becomes a force that becomes just as dangerous as chaos. Order itself, imposed on all creatures. Unlike the tyrannids it is not biological but philosophical. Perhaps the concept would be lost along the way. The Tau being good oriented makes it interesting as wither they fight an impossible fight or are doomed to become liek the Imperium.
Say what you will about the Tau. The lack of hive-cities are encouraging.
They simply don't have that much population. And them being mind controlled hive mind is not much better than imperial hive cities anyway.
@@passerbypooh8049 being mind-controlled is not as bad as being stuffed in what is essentially a giant chicken farm... i mean id rather be an autonomous unfeeling hive mind drone then someone shoved in a factory for 20 hours a day to knowingly work in a place I know is filled with toxins and will eventually kill me...
@@passerbypooh8049 another thing to consider about the mind control thing is that it wouldn't be the first thing the Imperium has lied about...
Better than some lil boi that works in a factory for 12+ hours a day.
@Chomag I would imagine it's much easier for them to moderate their population.
If you tell a population of humans to restrict how many kids they have, about half of them will ignore that directive. 100% of Tau will follow it.
*"BRAINWASHING!"*
Meanwhile in the Imperium of Man:
HEY HEY HEY!, we don’t brainwash!, we enlighten thoes who are open to the emperors light
@@electrohalo8798 Exactly! People have their own freedom of choice as well! Ofcourse, those that choose the other option are lost and heretics, but the option is always there! Can't be brainwashing if some are simply just wise enough to do the right thing and some aren't!
Tyragon precisely
BRAINWASHING!!A!
Meanwhile, in the Tau Empire.
Yeah, his moral arguments were filled with more holes than a sieve. Some had merit but using the Imperium as the main comparison was questionable.
As the great Ethereal O’Mau’tel once said-
The alien is not intrinsically evil.
Do not hate him. Pity him his ignorance.
Seek to understand his differences
And acquaint him with his inadequacies.
Only then will he accept his place
in the Greater Good.
Good comment, there's so few of these. It's all just communist this and weeb that. All this unrelenting memeing gets old pretty fast.
@@johnsandoval1246 Agreed. I find the whole "space communist" thing really tiresome at this point, especially since it isn't even accurate. A rigidly hiererachical society where your birth defines your ability to excercise political authority is about as far from the communist ideal as it is possible to get.
@@Johmpa Indeed. While I enjoy hating on the T'au as much as the next guy, communist isn't really accurate. They seem to be more of a caste based socialist oligarchy than straight communist. Ironically, with the way the Imperium has worlds dedicated to producing certain things, and they are then redistributed throughout the system or sub-sector, the Imperium is more communist than the T'au are. But since all the 40k races are space faring, and since we have never had an interplanetary government in our history, no faction will fit firmly into one category.
@@Johmpa - Well it's an apt comparison when you spend a second to think about how communist societies were also class based, but merely pretended not to be.
Most were at the bottom, some had a little bit of control, some had a lot and a very few stood at the top and had all of it.
In democratic and republic societies, every person has a voice and an influence, even if it's a drop in the ocean you can still improve your own situation. Among the Tau and in communist societies, influence was a privilege given from above to those who fit the mold perfectly.
Feel free to "it's not real communism" all you want, but compared to what we've had and have now, the two societies are very similar. The basic difference is that the Tau are compelled with 'other means' while the others are threatened with violence, social pressure and the unrelenting fear of being exposed by your fellow man as a dissenter.
Smells like heresy in here
If it hasn't already been said then I think this deserves a revisit with maybe less bias. Generally love your videos and have never once stopped in the middle and thought "wait... what?" Until this one.
Same actually. I am 30 mins in, and just stopped the video to see in the comments if I was crazy for thinking it was all being a bit too tinfoily.
They will learn of our peaceful ways... through force.
Ah yes a very christian mindset
What?!
wellll pretty much the emperors MO too
Alright Muhammad, calm down
Just like Merica
Never been a fan of the idea that the Ethereals TOTALLY control the Tau. It's got to be a combination of sweet talk, Tau genetic disposition (the caste system), and mild mind alteration and culture. There aren't enough Ethereals on the battlefield to keep the Tau from gaining their individuality back, so clearly they do believe individually in the greater good- even if they're helped along by a little _positive thinking_ by the ethereals.
I also like to think their naivety plays a big role as well. That they just see the Ethereals as an asset and don't really totally realize what it is they are getting themselves into.
I mean, if they completely controlled the Tau, Farsight would’ve never been able to start his own enclave
Best, most realistic case scenario; I would imagine it’s like battle meditation from Star Wars , Having a subtle Blanket affect on large groups making them more cooperative with each other. However, I do realize that is being quite hopeful.
I feel this video over plays the control aspect especially given its quite new in the lore.
@@murphy7801 I agree. You only need to crack open a history book to see leaders in our own past who were able to easily manipulate masses. Especially in Eastern cultures with a more collective social structure. The difference here is that, by most accounts, the Ethereals are actually offering what seems to be a better way of life. The Tau seem to have secure housing, education, sustenance, healthcare, entertainment, and employment. Sounds like a paradise compared to anything in-setting or out.
Pretty obvious Luetin doesn't like the Tau, LOL.
They are simply too fucking naive and bright that stand out way too fucking much from the overall grim dark nature of warhammer. Not to mention the fact that should the tau ever end up as a dominant power in the galaxy they will steadily devolve into the same state as the imperium either that or they will be destroyed by a second rise of the man of iron.
Mark what's right with them lol
@@markmonoton6224 well dont you just sound like a scumbucket.
@@markmonoton6224 what the heck
Imagine playing 40K against this guy. He probably has names and backstories for every model.
"This Guardsman is Fred. He really wanted to be a physical therapist, but his home town was overrun by Orks. He likes the color blue and feels satisfaction when cleaning his flashlight"
I'd never want the game to end
Flashlight or lasgun? There isn't really a difference though
@@nineisamagicnumberhe meant fleshlight
Heresy. Purge, for the Emperor!@@ThompsonFlash9999
"the tau are brain washed"
"the tau live bleak lives"
As opposed to the imperium of man?
Yeah but in the imperium you're FrEe
@@MapleLeafAce Free to be indoctrinated into into worshipping the emperor and free to die while working a 12h shift having never seen the sun. Sign me the fuck up! Death to the space communists and their reasonable, if brainwashed ways!
But in the imperium you get the love of the emperor on your side. You get to be happy in a hive city. You can eat delicious nutrients packs made from maggots and dead people.
Or you can live in the Tau empire. Which is akin to living in communist russia. All you do is work for some Xenos. Worst of all the emperor cannot protect you.
Doomsday Prepper Nerd Oh God of Man forbid that the workers seize the means of production and work together for the Greater Good.
@@twenty-fifth420 doesn't work for humans, might work for zenos
"they decided to lay down their arms and unify for a greater good for all with diplomacy, establishing peace in one hour after a conflict lasting years"
me: "wow, that is absolutely inpressive."
later in video:" oh please,what kind of a naive fool would believe such a ridiculous thing"
me:😰😓
IMPERIUM RULES
Reminds me of the Liberty Prime quote "Death is a preferable alternative to communism". Except that most people seem to miss that the quote is meant to be satirical
@@richardbug3094 imperium are lame beefy boy space Nazis.
@@ItsKingPeacock
Atleast nazis had style until the end. :P
@@ItsKingPeacock agreed id rather the fair blubeery weeaboo space communists that wont inslave me for being a diffrent race and i have a decent quality of life and the abilty to progress in life
much better then being turned into servitors or being human cattle in the lower levels of hive citys
This is like when you think you're favourite journalist is the most unbias reporter until they hit one subject that they can't hold their opinion from and go on a rant.
Cope
@@penemuelwatcher2378 lol I'm only about my Boyz and gitz, I just found the take in the video amusing.
kek he couldn't help himself. you can hear the seethe.
Although the downfall of the Tau seems likely, I don’t think that if the Etherals are killed that the Tau will completely lose their mind, because the farsight enclave operate without the Etherals and they seem to work just fine.
This video is unbiased, lacking in fallacies, and one hundred percent true. Well, aside from those few "positive" aspects of the Tau of course! Those _despicable_ xenos, am I right fellow regular citizens?
*This comment has been brought to you by The Inquisition*
We now return to your regularly scheduled program: 101 reasons to give your mind and body over to the imperium, and the emperors will. Now-..whats that? Oh... This just in! The filthy Xenos known as the Tau have BRAIN IMPLANTS! What HERECY! Where is their free will!?
I didn't expect the Imperial Inquisition.
@@depoittier No one expects the imperial inquisition
[Taps the sign over the bar] "Purge the Xenos! Burn the heretics!"
Wait what year is it i thought religion was banned
This reply was brought by the soviet union
Tau: "the greater good"
*Simon Pegg walks up* "SHUT IT!"
Thank you, happy to see someone made that reference.
I applaud you, sir
Did not think I would see a Hot Fuzz reference in a 40k video
Up And Across perfectly summed up. The 40k universe is filled with stories of “good” deeds that are hardly grey areas and despite the Tau having a few negative traits many more of them have been mitigated against by their leadership and their society. Would it be lovely to have a species that truly is the epitome of goodness? Sure, but they wouldn’t survive long. Even the Eldar have an internal dark side they constantly will themselves not to turn down and Slanesh and the Dark Eldar are a good reason for why they should
@Z. H. S. *monotone* The greater good...
I feel like a Tau player hurt you badly on a gaming table at one time...
I feel like you're a tau player who's salty that GM focuses on making models for factions that are actually *fucking good*
Nationalist Joe I can taste the salt in your tears. It makes the sound of my Heavy Rail Rifles feel even better
@@giorgiococconi "muh heavy rail rifles"
>Space Marines
>Deathwatch
>Knights
>Titans
>Imperial Guard
>Sisters of Battle
>Inquisition
@@saucemaster1527
Salty Imperium of man players: "Nooooo! You can't have superior fire power that shreds most of my armoured units and tanks and forces me to not blindly charge at you!"
Me a Tau player: "Hahaha rail gun goes bzzzt"
@@giorgiococconi more like "railgun go KCHHHHBOOOOOOM!" Cause that's what it would probably sound like
It's been almost 3 years since this video. It would be great to see a video with Luetin's thoughts on the Farsight Enclaves.
I doubt you'll see it. Since the Enclaves blow basically all of his speculation about Tau "mind control" out of the water.
I'm resurrecting this comment, cause I'd love to know more about Farsight. I just saw the painted figure and it looks awesome 👌
he's so cool.@@mat5977
I just want a tau lore vid that doesnt have the creator seething about their existence
Tau is more open to suggestion, not pure-control like Tyranids.
Also, other races fight for tau
Xcyper33 you mean other races are also slaves to the tau
ssi1991 sounds like imperial propaganda but mmkay
@@irrelevant1242 Sounds like heresy
@@-----REDACTED----- What about Humans who willingly joined them? They seem much happier under the Tau
Out of all the races, I would choose the tau, I may be brainwashed but it is better than dying because some inquisitor decided to preform an exterminatus because he was bored
I can’t tell if he’s roleplaying an imperial commissar or he genuinely thinks the tau are worse than the imperium...
I think the tau being genuinely more ‘positive’ to some extent is good for the 40k setting. Having some dim light to contrast the endless crushing dark can surely only be enriching
buht muh grimdahk
But also they are a young race. I think humanity in the golden age of technology was very similar to the Tau in many ways. I can see the Tau starting to make an AI since because they are naïve and don't believe the warnings of the Mechanicum.
The universe is in a constant cycle of powers rising and declining for another to take over. The Necrons were replaced by the Eldar who then declined and were overtaken by humanity. Now humanity is in decline and the Tau are on the rise.
If anything a thin ray of light in a dark universe should only make it seem that much darker. The Tau might not be for everyone, but they’ve got their place in the setting
Pretty sure he’s roleplaying. It’s pretty funny
The Tau
'All Castes are equal but some are more equal than outhers"
This guy gets it 10/10
The key word there is "caste"
Aur'ocy shath'r'i tskan sha Tau'va.
Virginsight vs Chad'Va
Yeah, that’s really sort of the only thing about them that I don’t like about them. I may love tech, but I hate communism more
I have become addicted to this lore . Listen to this every day while falling asleep .
Tau are my favourite faction
Now I'm a 40k lore newbie but I gotta say, psychic brainwashing or not, the Tau seem to me to be unequivocally the most positive force in the whole 40k universe. And easily the only one I wouldn't mind being a part of
Same… while having your free will remove is indeed terrible but considering that Free will is not even important in 40k.
@@apolloknight9521 No kidding. Say you're a human, you can meet countless grisly ends at the hands of your own government, nevermind all the other horrors of the galaxy.
Where as if you join the Tau, sure, no free will but you didn't really have it in the Imperium either. At least they won't kill you just because they can.
Yeah, they're kind of annoying dorks 😂
Dude just move to China. You got it.
@@CallUrDrop Except we live in a world where you can live in countries and communities with free will.
These comments are saying compared to the absolute nightmare that is life in the Imperium losing your free-will is not so bad.
The TAU: We come in peace!
The Imperium: You leave in pieces!
Hahahaha
Tau soldiers were talking to each other
Tau soldier 1: Dude, did you heard we encountered humanoid creatures have 3 lungs, 2 hearts, can spit venom, eat enemy flesh etc
Tau soldier 2: Damn nature you scary
Vincent Cao and then they find out that they were created and think “damn humans, you scary.”
T'au message is in Comic Sans... Why?
Why not? People hate that font for no reason.
Bacxaber Yeah to be honest Comic Sans is pretty decent font, it's really bold and legible that makes it easily readable from a distance.
@@InquisitorThomas It is odd. As a primary school teacher I would usually use comic sans when putting stuff up for display becasue it shows letters that more closely represent accurate hand writing letter form for when people are developing early writing skills. I love the font.
i was a big warhammer fan as a kid (30yrs ago) recently i hasve been drawn back into warhammer so am getting up to date on races and lore, its thanks to Luetin's videos i am finding learning warhammer again is very easy.
huge thanks for your hard work and excellent videos.
In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future, There is the Greater Good.
All praise the Greater Good.
In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future, there is fxcking heresy.
@@grantmeyer6269 Please, do not anger. Enjoy.
@@JopTr7777 ?
I will inform the Inquisitor of this heresy!
No hive city workers get to choose what they do either, at least the Tau get to think it's their idea and don't have 5 million backups when they die at 22 of inhaling toxic gas while working in one of 10 billion weapon producing factorums.
Either that or this comment section has been wearing some ethereal approved communication helmets.
All im going to say is the Tau view of tech is suspiciously close to the dark age of man. That went well.
@@zachdew9gaming985 man in the dark ages relied too much on warp travel, unlike the tau. The etherals will also handle the AI situation better because they probably wouldn't make anything that they couldn't influence
You seem to forget just how small the tau empire is, they have that luxury. This is why everytime they leave the boundaries of their little happy bubble something grim and dark kicks their teeth in
"The wise learn to adapt to change" is the kindest sounding threat I've ever read
Indeed
You mention that Tau seems to abandon The Greater Good as soon as no ethereal is there to control them and use this as an argument that there has to be some kind of mind control/manipulation. I would like to hear some actual examples of this happening, as the only one I can think of is Farsight and he still believes in The Greater Good, he's just become disillusioned with the naivety of the Tau Empire and think that the Tau should work towards The Greater Good without the ethereals leading them. There's also the whole question of whether he is actually corrupted by chaos considering his sword and his unusual life span.
Given how bitter he was to the Tau in some sections, I feel he has a very personal experience with Fish of Fury.
Remarkable how much you can get done when you actually work on your weapons instead of praying to them.
Said by someone who has never been given a government issued weapon.
@@bkane573 are you implying you pray to your weapons?
@@brotherhoodofsteelsoldier1356 Of course I have.
If I remember correctly, I heard from somewhere that when the Tau were first created by Games Workshop, they were meant to be the “Good Guys” of the 40k universe.
yes. as a tau player that is true. they got *inhale* R E T C O N N E D after a bunch of whiny neckbeards complained that iT iSiNt gRiMdArK EnOuGh If ThErE aRe GoOd gUyS!!
@@HenryC04 Just ignore it...40k is loose with its canon anyway and why pay tribute to "those" fans.
@@chrismath149 yeah i could do that actually. i play farsight enclaves anyway though and they got left out of the grimdarkening of Tau, so they are still basically the only good guys in 40k.
@@HenryC04 I ignore it there's nothing supporting mind control, it's just imperial propaganda
@@HenryC04 even with all retcons and such they are still MUCH better than basically any faction.
Thanks for making these videos, seriously. I can imagine clipping it all together and speaking for hours can be exhausting. I appreciate you bro
I literally turned off my ad-blocker just so I can support u.
Not a great idea. Support him through Patreon. That way he earns more and you won't get tracked by 400 trackers across the web.
I seriously question how much the Tau really are a "slave race". Everything I read indicates the average Tau retain their faculties as sophont beings. At most the Ethereals make others around them suggestible, and have leveraged that to make themselves into the leaders of a species/Empire. Ultimately as a race they are at the whims of the Ethereals, and they do have a highly stratified society leading to little choice over what they can do with their life(something also true in the Imperium!), but any given Tau citizen or soldier has a free mind.
Anyway, the Tau are probably just gonna keep on growing, there will be no end in sight. In-universe the Imperium cannot risk sending enough resources to crush the Tau; if they tried, they would lose too much on other fronts. Out-of-universe, GW is never going to deliberately phase out an entire faction for lore reasons(maybe if they transition to a new game, but that's never gonna happen anytime soon).
Also, the very existence of the Farsight Enclaves disproves the idea that without the Ethereals the Tau would descend into barbarism. They're just more Tau that don't give **** about the Ethereals anymore and don't follow the Greater Good so closely, without losing the inclusivity that makes them so attractive as a society. Perhaps they couldn't hold the Empire together without their supreme overlords, perhaps they could. We'll never know, probably.
We also have the example of Darkstrider, disobeying and talking back against ethereals
sean rice well I’d believe that GW wouldn’t phase out a faction but...the squats did that too
@Trevak D'hal meanwhile a lot of space marine chapters have their own codexes. Bias? What bias? Its just the year of the empire. Every year.
It's interesting to note the lore of 40k is still being written.
I'm sure in time they will have their own version of the horus heresy. All races have had their own share of civil wars.
Luetin's point forgets, I think, that we are not 100% free neither. We are subject to charisma, community behaviour and all sorts of emotions and instincts that make up the human experience, and sometimes subtly enough that we don't realize it and believe we're acting purely on our individuality. Or want to believe it.
There's no clear cut between the Tau and us, they are simply further on the gradient
I'd be curious to see how the Tau Empire and Humanity would have gotten along if the Emperor's original plan had come true instead of being seen as a God King.
Ths resulting faction would've been op, trust me
The Emperor was the most Xenophobic man in the History of Humanity. He was a dogmatic atheist secularist Xenophobe, he would’ve slaughtered the Tau to the last man.
@@magnusthered5994 you are desscribing canon, he was thinking about a different scenario
Michele Castellotti He was talking about the Emperor of Mankind, whatever be the circumstances I don’t think that he would ever have become comfortable with the Tau.
@@magnusthered5994 no, ignoring that, my question is: if the imperium allowed ogrins and "neko" (ugh...) into their ranks... what is the problem with the tau? Because their skin is blue?
There's just something kind of eerie about that Tau message at the beginning. It was like they were being subtle about how you'll eventually become a part of the Tau Empire. Like mind control kinda stuff
Hang on, didn't farsight (a non ethereal tau) disobey the orders of the ethereal and proceed to establish the farsight enclave with thousands of tau serving him?
This whole mind control shtick should have been left at a 2 minute discussion, not enveloping half the video trying to disprove that the tau are actually fighting for the greater good of their own free will.
I'm not even a Tau player anymore but I could see why this would annoy people. It has an entirely different feel from the other origins videos by luetin.
Did the tau dirty bruh
The Crisis of Faith books imply it was millions or even low billions that followed Farsight.
I tought that his commanding ethereal was killed, wich made him and his bois go nuts.
@@elchipoclevengador He already doubted the Ethereals prior to their death. I think their deaths is what allowed him to act on his own, to having worry about backlash from them.
Farsight demonstrated traits from both the earth caste(engineering/technical) and fire caste(tactical/martial), and those with split traits are considered bad by the ethereals, so he was already on the shit list.
The etherals where killed and farsight was left isolated from them thus his new found independence. I think it's apparent that there is something off about tau society, there are hints everywhere.
"The Ethereals control and brainwash the T'au"
The Emperor literally fought against brainwashing and would have a ragefit if he saw the state of the religous zealot Imperium in 40k. He furiously argued that he wasn't a god and was leading due to qualifications.
@@falkyron6581 Did not work as planned...
@@falkyron6581 Sooo... are we arguing Intentions, Or results here?
@@Aichi1138 i think Falkyron is saying that it's not fair comparing the Emperor to the Ethereals because if the Imperium is actually led by the big E it would've been an unimaginably powerful and technologically advanced power it'll squash everyone, but unfortunately that dude is a vegetable.
The longer I watch this video the more these guys grow on me. Even if they are controlling their people on some level, they seem a lot less severe than so many other races. I don't have to worry about brutal inhumane torture with them, I like they don't have the stomach for some of the things the other older races do. That means even if the ethereals are liars and fully aware of the extent of their control and use it willingly they don't seem cruel. They don't want suffering. Like, I can roll with that. Seems not a terrible existence considering so many of the other horrors in the 40k universe.
Edit: "Each had individual styles to warfare and relevant philosophical thinking to pair with their approach to military engagements"
Ya, ok, that's a level of mental manipulation I could put up with in this universe if we are still capable of this. Sounds like they keep a reasonable amount of individuality.
Hell, you don't even have to be a Tau to live in their empire. They're willing to accept all races!
@@AnEnormousNerd On top of that, despite the water caste trying to sway people away, Gue'vesa are still allowed to praise mighty Emp and live by a less xenophobic version of the Imperial Creed. And a similar case probably happens to the other races in the T'au.
Exactly, what if it's used only during "work hours" so to say. Doesn't sound so bad then.
Actually if you read their códex you realize that the way they are portrayed in the video is a exaggeration, there are a lot of signs of individuality, and the ethereal only seem to be giving a slight suggestion field or something of the sort.
@@grerook9427 I thought this might be the case, I've heard they are being darkened to better fit the grim dark atmosphere but this seems like it's taking an extra step.
Here is the issue I have with the mind control theory. In the book Farsight: Crisis of Faith it is confirmed by the actions of Aun'Va that there is absolutely a method by which Ethereals control Tau. I won't spoil the scene. Those who know it, know what I'm talking about. So that confirms your line about them being controled, but I firmly disagree that by losing an Ethereal they would revert back to the Mon'tau mindset. In fact it is also confirmed that the Farsight Enclaves are thriving without Ethereals, and Farsight himself still believes in the Greater Good, albeit wthout the Ethereals. The casts in the Enclaves still cooperate and there is no infighting (on a major scale). The conclusion is, as always, a fine middle ground. Ethereals control the Tau but likely through a means that makes them maliable to the Ethereal's propaganda and not by means of direct control (apart from some circumstances). Globally all Tau HAVE accepted the Greater Good of their own free will and they are so indoctrinated in it now that anything else would likely never occur to them as an alternative.
Likely some sort of mental propaganda where your mind near the ethereals is always thinking some sort of way or having it in the back of your mind, and without an ethereal for the first time the tau might become a bit confused and disoriented why they aren't automatically having thoughts of the greater good in the back of their mind.
Talks about the Tau: Sweet my favorite race.
Talks about how they would fall apart without Ethereals: Ok maybe he’s waiting to talk about the Farsight Enclaves as an outlier to that theory.
Talks about Farsight and his campaigns: Awww yeah we get to hear about one of the COOLEST Tau
Mentions how the Enclaves lost their Ethereals: Oh cool he is going to start talking about the Enclaves as an independent group.
Doesn’t talk about how the Farsight Enclaves became a splinter faction of the Tau: WTF man you didn’t talk more about one of THE only examples of a Tau society that continued existing WITHOUT ETHEREALS.
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It feels like his talking is like an Inquisitor giving a well-made presentation to their equals. Remember, most things out of universe are written like in-universe Imperial Propoganda already.
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If the imperium focused 1%of their forces against the tau they would be whiped out
If they were fractured (like the farsight enclave is to the main tau empire) the imperium wouldnt even need that 1% to destory them and then one remembers the tyranids orks chaos ect
The tau empire without the etherals becomes a bunch of small farsight enclaves infighting easy pickings
Sir, they're using Comic Sans in their message!
Inquisitor: "EXTERMINATUS!!"
You're view that the Tau would revert back to cavemen without Ethereals is really wrong, Farsight confirms that they are still advanced and intelligent with or without the Ethereals.
Farsight is hardly an unbiased source of information now is he. The only reason the Tau are united is due to the Etheraels, they are the sole reason for the Tau's rapid development and it's not far fetched to imagine that what Luetin said is true.
Caveman is probably an expletive. Probably more akin to return to tribal disputes and warfare. Any advance would be halted by chaos and in fight. Just like humanity. Maybe some splinter world could be fine, but as unified empire, they would crumble from within.
The earth caste probably could take over eventually as they retain the technology if they are smart enough to develop defensive measures in time. Maybe becoming increasingly more dependent on AI and create man of iron 2.0 which would be bad for everyone in the galaxy. The air caste could go their own ways and become the tau pirates. The fire caste would deal a lot of damage and maybe try slave the others through force. The water caste would be toast.
Yeah, was thinking the same thing, his Enclave of worlds have been on their own for centuries, and there have been cases of others joining him too out of their free will, and they still have a senses of the Greater Good to, he was just tired of fighting like the Ethereals wanted according to his story as he thought they gave up too easy, and that they din't respect the loses they could take on a mission and see it through too the end.
He said "self determination" which is more like our capitalist society. Not complete chaos but an inate desire to look out for yourself and your family.
@@FarseerRK**inate desire to look out for yourself at the expense of others. Also known as chaos.
If I was an Imperial Guardsman and had the opportunity to join the Tau, I would take it yesterday.
I usually love your videos but this one felt wrong. This is the first time I felt you had a clear "side" when talking about an race in 40k.
Yep he definitely is trying to push something
*Half awake, Opens YT *, sees LT just uploaded a new 40k Lore.”By the God Emperors will”. *Is now Completely awake*
Brother! ABSOLUTELY!
What if the Tau mind-control is just Imperium propaganda?
it probably is true, but not as bad as the video implies. And it doesn't work on auxilliaries
it is propaganda there is no mind control in the t’au empire come sig have some tea with us
EVERYTHING is Imperium propaganda
Because it is, now stop questioning it.
Seriously though, I don't think it is mind control at all since the Tau have no presence in the warp psionically. I am fairly positive it is a pherphmon they release that just makes them really agreeable to other Tau.
That sounds like something a heretic would say....
As a brand new player to the Warhammer Universe, I find myself extremely attracted to the Tau in various ways; their ideals, philosophies, hierarchies, and their technology no doubt. Even so as I subtle believe the human race could follow this same path to achieve far greater achievements than it ever thought possible through technology and coming together for a single purpose. The Tau act selflessly whether voluntarily or in some manner forced in the pursuit of something that is far bigger than itself. Yes I love individuality and freedom of thought, expression and creating however imagine if there was some idea, some greater threat to humanity that would force us to put aside our petty differences and sense of self for your entire race, culture, and others willing to fight with you to achieve it. The Tau in my opinion could be a bigger threat to the galaxy in another 10k years. Man could never achieve that due to there choice of xenophobia alone.
play firewarrior and dawn of war 1 and dark crusade.
you will like it if you like tau but the graphics havent aged well
I see your point... heretic!
@@omiorahman6283 I'll check them out, thanks!
@@Z3sty_St4r lol I'll take it
Okay, so... Three questions
1. Are we... just not going to talk about how the fact a huge number of Tau work in the Farsight Enclaves - An independent state free of Etherals - and isn't in a state of constant civil war and still adheres to the Greater Good, alongside Gue'vesa, which puts a hole in the idea that without Ethereals, Tau would abandon that philosophy and start fighting each other?
2. ...If the Tau ground the Imperial forces to a halt, held the line against *three space marine chapters*, and made the Imperium retreat... How did they get smashed? While they took heavily casualties, that sounds much more like the Imperium getting /absolutely humiliated/ by a tiny race of Xenos they should have been able to obliterate with their thousands of years of experience in warfare.
3 - I don't see how the Ethereals are really any different to the Emperor of Man when you get right down to it. Both use external forces to persuade people to follow them, and because of them, both assign civilisations assign roles to their citizenship before they're even born. So the idea of free will is... Sort of redundant, is it not? Very few races actually employ a sense of free will, so why is it only the Tau who get shit for it?zenship before they're even born. So the idea of free will is... Sort of redundant, is it not? Very few races actually employ a sense of free will, so why is it only the Tau who get shit for it?
My biggest issue with this entire video seems to be the idea that the Tau are evil because of their caste system and because they have no real free will - Only two races are really "free", which are the Tyranids (Which might have been made by the old ones if that theory is correct, so is it even free will?) and the Orks, who are universally the biggest pains in the arse in the galaxy. Imperial solders get no say if they get conscripted or not
This might be because I'm a Tau main, but there feels like an absolute ton that was just not mentioned. Tau quality of life, the implications of the farsight enclaves, the preservation attitude towards life the Tau have. The Ethereals might be a nasty lot, but as was stated in Tau lore - Without them, the entire Tau race would have been wiped out long ago. In the darkness of the far future, and the galaxy the Tau find themselves surrounded in, that seems truer than ever. I can't find myself too mad at the Ethereals when considering that. Especially when the Imperium does the exact same thing, but with about 1000 times more death.
Bias against T'au is real among Imp fanboys.
Bias against anything is apparent in 40k, don't dwell on it.
Really Tyranids free? They are all enslaved to hive mind the diffetence is with the imperium you can make a choice to be a heretic but with the Tau as long as there are ethereals around they cannot ie guardsmen has free will fire warrior does not. fyi not an imperium fanboy my mains are necrons and eldar
@@gumblebrum And? I don't exactly see how choosing to be a Heretic in the Imperium is any different to putting a bullet in your own brain. And plenty of Imperium civilians are simply accused of heresey and then executed - Which at least won't happen within the Tau Empire.
Do you consider an ant to be an oppressed species because it lives within a hive mind? Because thats not how a hive mind works. When you truley get down to it, a hive mind would boil down to a pure democracy - All viewpoints considered, all information accepted, and the choice that benefits the most is the one that is taken. A Hive Mind is not an inherently evil thing - It's just a biological component of a species. It's no different to any other. We simply oppose it because as Humans we see it as a way of life against our own.
And I can't get angry at the fire caste. Look at the comparison in armor alone between the Imperium and the Tau.
A fifteen year old can be dragged from his homeworld, given an absolutely worthless lasgun, and sent against a horde of Orks or Tyranids for no other purpose than to be a seconds worth of a distraction while the space marines get here and do the actual work.
The Tau train their warriors from birth. They learn tactics, practice combat, and get given better equipment. The same can be said for their navy and their builders caste.
Say what you like about the caste system - At least the Tau prepare their people for the shitshow they're forcing them into - And within that, they're allowed to choose their specific specialty. And thats more than i can say for most species in the fuckfest that is the 41st millennium
The Damocles Crusade was an afterthought of the Imperial Sector it took place in, while the Tau had to literally use EVERYTHING their civilization had to survive. That's why the Tau got smashed, there were no reserves, no second line, no fallback positions. If they had failed and been routed by the Imperium before the Tyranids saved their butts by drawing it's attention away from them, they would of ceased to exist as a species.
This just turned into a wierd anti tau rant
Goddamn space commies
No cap. This video felt so awkward
True. While I will in no way claim the Tau don't have their darker side I really want to know where this stuff about the Ethereals turning them into unthinking drones is coming from because I've never seen anything to suggest as much in the lore. The only point even sort of hinting there might be a case to be made here is how quickly the Ethereals brought them to peace, but for all we know that's simply because the Tau think differently than humans. Is the Greater Good propaganda just as much as the Imperial Cult? Yeah, they're called Blue Space Commies for a reason. But every first person account we've seen from a Tau suggests nothing about being mind controlled, aware or not. And I've never read of the Tau breaking down outside the effect of an Ethereal, I mean there's Farsight but otherwise (not to mention he broke off while MULTIPLE Ethereal were present)? The only thing I can imagine being referenced here is when division arises in the Tau whether to continue the attack or retreat when an Ethereal is killed, I never attributed this to some sort of mind control being lost but simply the fact that some Tau have stronger will than others when someone the Tau may (foolishly) have made out to be a near god walking in the Tau bedrock, of course some are going to backpedal when their highest ranking officer is slaughtered in front of them.
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The ethereals aren't turning them into unthinking drones, they're not like the nids. The ethereals definitely have some form of psychic brainwashing or strong psychic suggestion, but in no way do they make them "unthinking drones".
Yeah I think I am gonna skip this one
Administratum official:
"Hmm... hmmm... oh I found a cross reference for this species..."
"6000 years!? What!?" *spits coffee* "And they are trading with human worlds!? I need to make some phone calls!"
I’m so glad most people here agreed with me in thinking that Luetin’s segment on their downsides was too much. The prospect of some megamind dude far away mentally preventing me from murdering my neighbor over muffins and doing my taxes, while also telling everyone else i’m actually a really nice guy, beats by a long shot the average imperial citizen’s life, who in more ignorant colonies can get servitored for praying in the wrong direction. No Tau is allowing themself to be manipulated any more than we are when we surrender all our data to social media and credit cards, perfectly willingly, because it’s convenient and we convince ourselves it’s not a big deal. We might allow ourselves to debate about some abstract notion of personal liberty, but in the 41st millenium, the sheer material reality of Dark Eldar enslavement or worse being an actual possibility renders all debates like that absurd.
we can argue the Etherials control is arguably as influencial to other Tau as modern methods of advertising or propaganda which every nation does. If you hate the Tau and consider them "dystopian" for that then our world isn't much better.
I think he was supposed to be playing into a bit, as if his narration was from the perspective of an Imperial citizen. But yes, the focusing on the downsides of the Tau were over the top. People can fight me on this: the Aeldari and the Tau are the good guys in warhammer. No other faction can argue that. Most fans just dont want to admit that their favorite faction is the bad guys. They hate the idea of good guys in a grimdark setting. Even a 10 year old could see that the Tau represent a better society than almost every other faction.
@@zyggybaranowski6852space communist alien scum are not good guys I would take a Man Emperor over a aliens who force you to join them at least with the imperium the tyrants are human not Mind Controlling aliens
@@zyggybaranowski6852 "Most fans just dont want to admit that their favorite faction is the bad guys" this seems to have gotten more and more pronounced these days. Back when I started playing in 3rd edition everyone seemed to be on the same page with the 'Hell yeah everyone sucks and its fun that everyone sucks' train, but more and more in recent years and especially the last few there's been a huge upsurge in 'Well no no no, my favorite faction does this because its NECESSARY given their situation-' etc etc. It's been a weird sort of reframing and I wonder what changed to make people less willing to say 'hell yeah my faction's a bunch of awful idiots check out this torture device they retrofitted to be a combat unit' like they used to.
@@ethanalspencer7294I know the imperium sucks but there human and I would take a human over aliens any day