INCIDENT 9 - "THE STAIRCASE" UK Depp Trial Barrister Analysis (Part 3)
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Honestly as a Brit, I am seriously embarrassed by the British judge. He let an abuser walk free. Pathetic 🙄
It wasn't a criminal trial, and Heard was only a witness, everyone was always going to walk free. Still embarrassed by him though.
Oh. You didn’t already get there after Dankula being sentenced for teaching his pug to do a certain greeting as -what objectively can only be seen as- a joke?
There wasn’t an abuser on trial in the Uk
I dont know why you are either shocked, embarrassed or surprised as a brit by the actions of brit courts as this is SOP in brit courts whenever evidence of a woman abusing her husband is presented. Why did you have to wait so long to be embarrassed? The cultural bias against men spilling into the court room is no secret, why is it that people come out now and act so shocked?
Finally, what are you going to do about this injustice ?
No he let gobshite dan wooton get away with a massive lie and that said gobshite hasnt said a word since the us verdict
The 'learned' judge was either senile or corrupt. He needs to be investigated.
Or both. His son worked for the newspaper. The owners of the paper also sit on the board of Tesla. There is a tangled web where this lot is concerned.
@UCesneUROv-Wr3vD10ui_mTw In my view this indicates either the corruption of the judicial system or there needs to be an overhaul of the judicial system and bring it line with natural justice.
Apparently the judge retired after this case! How convenient
The latter.
He is related to someone that works for the SUN newspaper
Judge Nicol in the UK case wrote a legal book with the barrister Geoffrey Robertson who is (edit: was) married to Kathy Lette, one of Heard's biggest supporters - Amber's Angels as they call themselves. Heard attended a party at Lette's London home during the UK case. Judge Nicol's wife is friends with Lette, and Lette is also a friend of Heard's UK lawyer Jennifer Robinson. The judge worked before he retired at Doughty Street Chambers, where his colleagues included Jennifer Robinson and the barrister Helena Kennedy - another prominent Heard supporter who attended the party at Lette's house. How anyone could think the judge was not compromised in this case is beyond me.
This is very common in the US family court system. The legislature basically allows family court lawyers to write the laws, so if you lose your job you have to pay $2000 to a lawyer to file in court to be heard by the judge to get a wavier during your period of unemployment. In Australia this is not a judicial matter but can be decided by a paper pusher after viewing the documentation of said unemployment
Nicol J also has connections with Murdoch's Sun newspaper which are too close for him not to have recused himself.
Geoffrey Robertson is divorced from K Lette incidentally. As a knight in shining armour for human rights, it would e interesting for him to air his views. He's not exactly a wilting violet on this type of subject.
Can't stand Lette
Connections also with Rupert Murdoch, owner of The Sun, gutter trash infamous for its lies.
@@achitophel5852 It would certainly be interesting to hear Robertson's views on the case. Mind you I think he's been working with Nicol on an updated version of their legal textbook so he probably wouldn't want to drop his old mate in it. Maybe they could add a chapter on the Depp case in their updated book, I'm sure it would be fascinating! 😄
My red flag is that Whitney had her back to Johnny. So just imagine you're protecting a loved one from an aggressor who is charging towards them, you believe your loved one is in danger, you put yourself between them and the aggressor ... is anyone else imagining their back would be to the loved one "aka potential victim" and their front would be facing the aggressor allowing for a clear line of sight and a better chance of being able to use your limbs to fight them off? I believe Jennifer Howell said Whitney was scared of what Amber would do to Johnny. Honestly I think that statement makes the most sense given Whitney's stance.
Yup, that would suggest that Whitney was protecting Johnny instead. Maybe he DID shoved her out of his way as to protect Whitney from Amber, not to attack her.
Whitney’s story was completely different with AH’s in the US alone. Then bring in the different stories from the UK, and there is zero credibility left with either of them.
I'll be honest, I really question if all parties involved were either high or drunk as skunks when this incident occurred. Nobody questioned with this had clear memories of what happened. And to take it further, I think the two sisters had talked about this over the years and filled in the blanks of their own foggy recollections. Only in doing so, what the sisters told each other didn't jive with their own memories and they didn't realize this until they had talked it through in court testimony. Had they realized the inconsistencies they would have gotten their stories straight. But the damage was done in the UK trial. It is pretty obvious that Heard embellished the hell in that telling to get some additional publication interest in the story, and it never even dawned on her that this testimony would be questioned later and checked for validity.
Sad thing is I think The Sun did learn a lesson with all of this. If they report similar stories in the future, it needs to be with a perpetrator and victim who are not UK citizens. Because the best way to avoid a defamation case is to not give the claimant an option to sue the "victim" with the news outlet in the same trial. The lesson that Depp and everyone else should have come to out of this is to sue the person who make the declaration first and then go after the news outlets for the defamation. But that gives the news outlets time to submit a revision to the story which then makes their damages considerably less if anything at all.
@@superdave8248 ISTM highly likely that AH was drunk. JD may have been on painkillers, which would have mellowed him out rather than make him violent. If sister was on coke, she could easily misread the signs, and would undoubtedly be a very unreliable witness. AH needs to grow up and start taking responsibility for her actions.
@@mfoco1 well her sister knew exactly what happened because she told Jennifer Howell the real story (her former boss right after it happened) which matches with Johnny’s and the bodyguard.
I rather suspect that Whitney twigged on to her game and gave a true version of what happened to avoid the size 12 boot of the law tickling her backside.
Exactly Natasha. I reported them for perjury based on just the USA trial to the VA police as they completely contradicted themselves.
If Johnny still can't find work he could always make a martial arts gym where he teaches how to simultaneously push, pull, punch, throw and teleport.
🤣🤯🤪 that would really be something !
🤣🤣🤣
And Amber Heard can teach ESL in a foreign country...next up Russian students, we are learning to spell donate...P-L-E-D-G-E
While with a cast on that doesn't allow for punches or grabbing
I see a new franchise for the Marvel universe on the horizon 🤣🤣🤣
Nobody has mentioned that Amber claimed in her 2016 deposition that Jonny came "Down" the stairs.
The sister said he ran "up" the stairs.
So where was he? They can't even agree on where he came from.
I believe she said at the UK trial that she had donated her winnings to charity and the UK judge took that as evidence of good character. Of course, we all know now that she didn't and the charities did not get the money. Meanwhile, she has now done interviews saying how unfairly she has been treated!
The money she claimed to have given away was her divorce settlement which was reached out of court. She wasn't a party to the UK case, just a witness.
It was known at the time (even to the judge) that she likely didn't do that. He prevented evidence to that effect from entering the trial. That trial screams corruption.
@@BasicCoverMan I am aware of that
@@BasicCoverMan if the judge uses such a statement as denoting someone to be of good character, but then learns that they lied just to look good, the judge must then consider them to be of extremely dubious character.
@@icouldbewrongicouldberight Did she pledge to donate that money before JD sued the Sun, or was it during the UK trial that she suddenly said she donated it?
RE: JD hitting her with the cast. The impact to the finger and the cast itself would have meant that he'd have to go back to the Hospital and have the finger checked for new damages and also re-do the cast itself. There would have been medical records of such an incodent.
also, they testified in the US trial that it was a soft cast typically used for fingers, not a standard hard cast.
I have worn a half cast or splint,wrapped in soft bandage. It would move if you hit anything wearing that. Not good for the Injury at all. A person protects injuries and rejects actions that would cause further damage and pain. Imo.
It was pinned, not long had surgery to save it, probably still stitched. As if anyone would be swinging their hand around or using it to hit , push ,pull anything !
I'm so glad you're doing this. The UK verdict should not be left to stand unchallenged. It is an injustice and makes no sense in light of the US trial. I would love her to be held accountable for her lies too. She's still spouting those lies today, now saying on a TV interveiw it wasn't a fair trial. She just won't stop, and apparently she's going to write a tell all book. This will open her up to litigation all over again. She needs to be stopped!
I do not understand why the court has not stopped this absolute disrespect of the judge , jury and process . Surely Elaine and Amber should be held in contempt of court and charged . You cannot do that in Australia .
@@BlackStump172 which court, where? Your comment needs more context. If you mean US difficult because of the first amendment and only could apply if she was publishing something in the US. In the UK it would be similar, despite us not having a first amendment.
@@hairyairey she was just found guilty of defamation it’s not that hard and Jd will be asking the court to silence her so she no longer defames him. I can’t remember the technical or legal terms lol
@@cleobinx In the US then? Well, it would still be up to a court to convict her again if she repeats the offence.
Exactly my thought. When she did perjury in the trial, she mocked the justice system. But it cost her nothing, she walks freely. And now even the verdict can't stop her from telling lies. She is sickening.
Ex-learned judge. He retired a year ago. I'd like the relationship between him and his wife, and the Murdoch family to be investigated..
I was about to say that the judge should be fired. But I guess retirement works too
@@williamtopping oh no, absolutely not. But retirement/ quitting would at least make it that he cant do this to others while he is being investigated
I don't even support amber but that judge, he's previously given two sentences against the sun. I don't think we can explain this judgement solely on his relationship with Murdoch.
Judge retired rite after trial??Mayb thats were johnnys 7mill went to ??!! Anything for her win!! Plus a bj
“Typically with this kind of injury the swelling isn’t as bad as you might think” “it didn’t hurt that bad for me” “not a big deal”. Man, we need to do research on this woman, not only is she able to take a punch and heal almost immediately she also doesn’t feel pain apparently.
She's a blood sucking vampire. Vampires heal instantly. 🦇 This and all her testimony in my state of Virginia about Australia incident when she cut his finger off with the vodka bottle and ra- pë -d with another bottled, punched in face, broken nose, etc. etc. She was on the James Cordon show the next night looking perfect. Her interview snippet today on the today show has made all truth seekers sick. She continues to gaslight the main stream media. Papers were filed yesterday for motion to appeal...this is going to get nutso again. She is a Narcisstic, Sociopathic Psychopath. She's walking a thin line straight to another suit for DEFAMATION AGAIN. Her whole interview (1 hour) will be on NBC Nightline Friday night. Check listings and times for your time zone. The complete audio recordings of all the incidents are at you tube on Incredibly Average. They are horrifying. Johnny is lucky to have got out ALIVE. 🏴☠️🎸✂️✋
New medications will be created from her DNA.
Wolverine healing abilities, does not feel pain!!!!!
From my recollection
, the judge in the UK trial allowed Whitney to hear Amber’s testimony and was allowed in the courtroom to hear the evidence before she gave hers. I could not understand how this was allowed as it allowed her to hear what Amber said and just corroborate it. The judge brought the whole English judicial system into disrepute. Shame on him.
They need to overturn the UK trial verdict. Johnny is innocent!
Yes UK must of believed a scamber Con Artist, poor amber her ambition for a rich life, so could be cocaine and $500 bottles - 2 a night - that dream would of been fulfilled, and a choffer driven jet, and a house in the hippie Mexico sands and never work again. Life squashed. Such a crying with no tears shame.
Make sure to share the petition.
@#JohnnyDeppIsARapist!! #JohnnyDeppesracista
Oh, really? And yet you didn't feel fit to include it while attempting to defame Mr Depp? Maybe because it doesn't exist?
As it is, your choice of nom de plume is opening you up to any legal options Mr Depp may feel fit, to protect his name from the defamation - you may wish to start saving for your defence...
Perhaps you can use the one that just demonstrated her incompetence in the US trial - she's going to need all the clients she can scrape up after that fiasco.
@#JohnnyDeppIsARapist!! #JohnnyDeppesracista I see so amber is being delusional again
21:40 We are talking about Amber here who uses donate and pledge synonymously. Also "I did not punch you, I hit you."
So she probably believes push, shove and swinging is all the same.
"She had not included every detail" is a theme in her testimonies. Because she adds details that didn't exist before. Sometimes phrased as "I didn't get a chance to [give all the details]" to explain why she's adding more at a later time.
That’s what people do when they are lying. Just sayin’…
7 times she fixed, changed, added to her statement in the UK . She was allowed sit in for the whole trial nd kept changing it after listening to the witnesses
And "it was so short after Australia that it didn't seem like a big deal" is also complete and utter bull. There's only two ways that would work: 1) it didn't seem like a big deal to her at the time so it didn't make much of an impression in her memory, which is bull because she remembers enough details about it that are WAY, WAY less relevant than him having a cast on his hand, and it seems unbelievably unlikely that you'd remember how hard the punches were but don't remember that there was a cast all the way through recounting the story over and over and over right up until cross-examination; or 2) it didn't seem like a big deal to her while writing down the incident and that's why she didn't include all the details, but it's a friggin' witness statement. You don't treat an incident like that like "not a big deal" when you're literally making it part of your allegations, and being close to Australia has no bearing on it. You describe each incident separately, and you get out the details you need to get out there, regardless of what comes before or after. If you don't include all the details in your witness statement, that would only make sense for details that don't matter like the color of the wall or when you had last watered the plants. Being punched in the face with a CAST does not meet the criteria of "unimportant details" if you ask me. Especially not when you look at other details she describes in these incidents that are more specific and less important than him having a cast on.
Yet then in court says she brought every piece of evidence
In the U.S. trial, the Dr who put the cast on Johnny said it was a soft cast. One that had a rigid underside to hold the middle fingers together in a bent position. But the top side is soft. According to the Dr. there is no way he could have hit her with that hand in a soft cast without doing serious damage to his hand. Just to add a little perspective.
I'm just curious to know if AH and her team (sister, friends, lawyers and expert witnesses) will ever be charged for perjury in both the UK and US? She's now in Today ranting on how unfair it is cos Johnny is the star and so on. It looks like the US judgment that favoured JD doesn't seem to stop her or her team from defaming him post-trial. They're even attacking the jurors, judge and social medias. She actually got off pretty easy for that 6 years of lies that could have put JD behind bars forever. Looking at how unfair the UK judgment or the judge was, or what's happening now, is there no justice at all for victims (regardless their gender)?
One thing I know for certain is there is justice. Always.
No chance of perjury in the US because JD did not file a criminal case, it's a civil case. He just wanted his life back and the clearing of his name, especially for his family.
As for the UK case, there's much to say. JD tried to stop a tabloid paper from defaming him, not Amber Turd. But since she's trying to claim that case as her own, many of us feel strongly that something gotta be done.
One thing for sure, the US case is one example of justice served, fairly and precisely to the letter.
I can see them being charged with perjury. Very very very very doubtful
*edit* I meant can’t
I really hope so especially after they have practically accused them of being unfair! Judge A was very fair and so was the jury. According to RUclips channels ,that were in court, the jurors were attentive and taking notes during testimony. You couldn’t ask for more. There is no evidence that they looked at social media or MSM regarding the trial while it was ongoing, and is very insulting to their integrity
It's not worth anyone's while to charge her with perjury. It would be great if she were charged in the UK for lying about the donation to charity. That would be fairly easy to prove. The UK court doesn't seem to be interested in accountability for the judge's horrific verdict in this case. We watched from the US and were in shock that the judge took Amber's word for everything, knowing how inconsistent her testimony was and the fact that those audios show her as a violent abuser.
Shhhhh don't tell a guilty person to stop talking, you want them to continue to tell everyone "I'm guilty and this is how I did it"
I'm am so embarrassed as a British citizen of our justice system.
Dont be embarrassed, do something to change it. The only thing it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to enable it
One biased Judge in this case…….he should have recused himself if he was legitimate. He was obviously corrupt.
It's crooked.
@@silentvoiceinthedark5665 There is so much evil - where do you begin. The drugging of children by Big Pharma.
@@elkpaz560 pick one, crimes against children come first. Push for transparency in government
So JD grabbed her hair with one hand and hit her repeatedly with the other. Okay.. how did he do that with a part cast on his right arm splaying his fingers out, 2 splinted together for support and ONE FINGER HAS A K-WIRE INSIDE IT WHILE BONES MEND? If there is any type of review into the UK trial, you need to get the doctor who put the k-wire and cast on him to the UK to testify as to what date the cast and pin was put into him, and what date they were removed - have the person who removed them testify to that date and compare it to the date the Judge had of the stairs incident. Then questions need to be asked about why these details were not considered relevant. Also hitting her not long after the internal fixation would HURT LIKE HELL.
Very suspicious how the learned UK judge retired so quickly after the Sun verdict. Most leave the office in a coffin.
It was not a full cast, but a splint, and would have been destroyed in this event. But it was never damaged or repaired. 🤔
I wish you had been another attorney on Johnny's already great team.
Great and fair analysis as usual.
I acknowledge and appreciate that there are ‘clear’ systems and rules in the justice system. However, it really does not sit right with me that the judge can be categorically BIASED on several occasions. In favour ofc, to AH and camp on behalf of the NGN and Dan Wootan from the Sun. I think that it is highly unethical to make such a damning ruling then retiring not long after. Essentially making it difficult to assess his competence and potential bias during this case. It does not show the high court in a very good light. It’s disappointing at the least.
A source told me he is still at the high court !
Crooked judge.
I'm sure the judge got a really nice payday leading to the ability to retire comfortably. Disgusting and should be investigated.
Is his name public? I’ve tried finding it but haven’t had luck.
Yes! I agree! And how could the sad judge rule in an appeal - that also seems sooooo corrupt IMHO!
Oh my gosh what a wicked web we weave eh .couple of things .
FIRSTLY Have you heard the audio where she states she believed that they ( herself , sister etc ) were going to get evicted . So she said that this was the only reason why she DID what she did . Sounds like an admission of black mail over her worrying about being kicked out . And she said basically do this or more trouble is coming your way .
SECONDLY if this is true and admittance of lies does that mean …… well ,perjury . Veiled threats , bullying all the way .👍🤑
You can be pretty sure that he has listened to EVERYTHING ... not everything TUG headlines as "new" ... is actually new.
Think extortion might be better term than blackmail. They might be the same, but in my mind blackmail implies she had something on Johnny, but extortion feels more like all she had was lies and threats. Legal terms also reference blackmail as extortion, which is a crime. Extortion, Perjury, Oh yeah, wonder if Elon & Murdoch family used any influence with judge on Ambers behalf. Not sure how influencing court is termed, but it’s also a crime. The list is endless
I just saw that audio & her texts yesterday! and her obv. trying to blackmail him. She'd withdraw the accusations - it was upto him - if he'd give her what her lawyer's letter demanded (Penthouses, $$$$ etc) I believe she knew he was done with her/gravy train ending & went psycho 'Gone Girl'... had IO call cops, trashed the place, whacked herself... got the RO & called Paps to take pics outside court. She was going to make him suffer AND good! Plus get some $Millions.
The cast isn't strictly a hard cast - the back of the hand and the palmate pad for the fingers are a hard cast to immobilise the fingers, but they are only bound together, to allow swelling to occur and be relieved at the side of the fingers.
If Johnny had struck anyone hard with that cast he would have injured his finger again - as the cast isn't rigidly bound between the dorsal and palmate plates, and could move/flex/transfer impact to the fingers.
With the alternative a full, rigid cast the two surfaces are rigidly joined and linked - and the forces are 'grounded' around the hand.
The testimony was that the cast was an 'open' style one, with the relieved sides. No way did he strike "repeatedly and hard" or grab and pull people with such a cast on while still recovering from the surgery and post-surgery infection.
I’ve had one of these casts, not only do you have no use of your hand (I hand to get people to help me dress etc) but the soft part does not protect the injury what do ever and if anything so much as taps you it freaking hurts.
Also, don't forget Johnny and Amber are not much different in height so if he was two steps below her he would be hitting upwards. This whole scene is very difficult to visualise ,especially with him holding her hair with the left hand at the same time..
It is not just the UK High Court that is in disrepute over this awful judgment, but also the Court of Appeal who should have noticed the inconsistencies and indeed lies being told by AH and her sister and allowed the appeal to proceed. The UK Courts are not fit for purpose if they allow this injustice to stand. In this instance, I am in contempt of the UK Courts abject failure to deliver justice.
Thank you for bringing this up. I always wondered why Depp's lawyer have never confronted both Heard and her sister with all those contradictions. Her sister said in court that Depp approached her from going up stair while she was with her buck to him and he hit her shoulder whilst Heard said Depp was going to push her sister down stairs. But to push her sister whilst standing behind her he needed to turn her around so she faces him and then get out of her way whilst pushing her down stairs. Amber now speaks out on NBC why nobody believed her. Only this one incident broken down in details voiced loudly in her face will shut her up/ Altough, I doubt that her narcissistic nature will ever shut up but will look for possible explanations of impossible
I notice no one ever refers to how painful it would be to hit something when your finger is damaged. A splint would not prevent any pain. As I have recently had a broken finger I can tell you, you quickly stop any movement that causes pain.
This is so hard to follow and make sense of. Does anyone actually believe this as factual? Don’t forget, if he hit with a cast on, think of the pain he would feel and the possible damage to his healing finger. I broke my wrist. I was so protective of my arm in the cast. I made sure that nothing came close to it.
Not just possible damage to the finger, guaranteed damage to the cast. Which would be documented in his personal physician's notes. The notes don't reflect damage to either.
Exactly!
If Amber was being actually clobbered with a plaster cast, there would have been INJURIES, and they would not be "minor"! Just as when she claimed Johnny was hitting her 'repeatedly" with his hands -WITH HEAVY SILVER RINGS ON..and all she had to show for all this "abuse" was one little bruise on her cheek? Just how stupid does this woman think people are? if she had been beaten as hard and as 'repeatedly" as she claimed she was (with a plaster cast and with a hand with heavy rings on all fingers, don't forget; she ALSO testified that she "never" saw Johnny without his rings!) she would have needed medical attention, at the very least, and plastic surgery at the worst!
My thoughts exactly - but being the Devil's advocate - you may not fear pain - if you're high on drugs or alcohol. I would expect damage to his finger and/or cast!
@@johnwilson3918 but he shouldn't even be able to flex his fingers in the cast. Not enough to grab her hair and punch her with his left hand.
UK Judge: "Ms Lloyd's contemporaneous text messages i.e. hearsay outweigh the sworn testimony of Mr. McGivern and Mr. Depp"
ALSO UK Judge: "The contemporaneous recordings of Ms Heard's admission of violence and taunting are not credible because they were not sworn"
Looks quite like a double standard to me...
The Australia thing is so interesting and important to me because I live in Australia and remember all of this. There IS audio from that time when Dr K and Nurse had to take action. I have heard it and am sure heard by many. Discussion about increasing her dose of Seroquel - she was held back going to the hospital with him. I am sure that the conversation about that is something Dr Kipper and nurse would prefer not to be involved with. It speaks of stay away because you have done enough. When someone has a cast on they are more aware of their injury because it has actual weight - so pain and the unfamiliar but significant awareness of pain and its cause and your desire to mend tells your mind and body to NOT use an injured part and actually makes you less inclined to get into any physical confrontation simply to avoid more injury. It has become clearer and clearer over so much time she loved to goad and taunt him. She recorded certain things and has no true connect with how she reports it. I have followed this whole mess. Over years. She is a despicable liar and not only has she tried her utmost to defame J she has thrown all DV and AV people under the bus. I am one of those people. I truly despise her for using other people's truth as her own. Sorry I left commas out - He is not without flaws. But really - the greatest role of her life was something out of a movie - Misery...
There was no mention from Amber that Johnny was hitting Whitney in U.K. trial completely different to US trial.? Everyone needs to sign this petition let’s have Amber back in court for perjury.
JD would not have been able to hit anyone with a soft cast (partial plaster of paris and bandage. Only plaster over finger areas) with the type of injury he had. My daughter has a similiar one.
The expert witness, doctor treating him for the finger, also stated that the cast was not damaged.
Especially when it's infected! Have you ever had an infection? It hurts like crazy 🤪! Add in the deep bone pain from a partially fused bone, that when you bump against something feels like the bones are freshly broken! Her stories are just too far fetched, without ANY corroborating evidence 🙄 🤔...nope...from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠
The cast actually was soft and also the doctor stated that if you hit with a cast it would break. His cast was never broken
It would also have been too painful for him with a healing severed finger.
He didn’t hit her……period!
Before I start watching... I actually reported this very item to the Virginia police department "tips line" thing (their version of crimestoppers) for perjury.....
Gonna watch your video now, see if we spotted the same things in the testimonies.
Okay.... Take your video, and compare it to this from Whitney's testimony and Amber's, with a 3D model of the staircase... Then also what Jennifer Howell's sworn deposition statement (court letterhead) was on top (along with her letter, which was a separate document too).
ruclips.net/video/R4gevtNYMBo/видео.html
It was potentially perjury even without the UK statements, and with your analysis too, it seems to just go even further down that rabbit hole.... I cannot comment on what UK judges should do. But I do wonder if combined, this event alone could be enough to have the whole UK case opened, as it has so many discrepancies between AH and WH between both USA and UK.
Of course, time can cause memory to deteriorate, but this seems far too into being non credible, imo (and my opinion alone: this isn't my field, and anything I say here is personal thoughts, not to be taken as representative of any legal body in the UK).
Police aren’t involved with perjury.
@@kristen1441 wait, what?! Who investigates and gathers evidence regarding perjury in the USA then?
Perjury is a crime in the USA, right?
It's a very serious crime in the UK, and can carry up to (I think) 7 years in prison over here. (But it has the criminal standards of proof of beyond reasonable doubt; mens rea, actus reus; and all that.)
Not in Virginia and not an attorney. But this is a civil case not a criminal one. In this case a DA would have to push back hard on the perjury. But I think that would require a second trial as this would be a new charge or in this case a single criminal charge. So in this situation, you would need to have a Virginia DA charge Heard with perjury in a civil case that they don't even have any coverage over. It might get thrown out by the judge before it even saw the light of day. A civil case is outside of the realm of a DA privledge to prosecute and if the prosecutor isn't a invested party, then the charges get dropped.
Probably the only person in this case who could file for perjury would be either Depp's legal team or the judge. But in order to do that, you would have to take into account the UK trial testimony and evidence which was outside the realm of scope for this case. So just like the DA in the previous statement is outside of scope for the perjury, so to would be the judge and Depp's legal team. They could only claim perjury if there was submitted evidence to conflict with the given testimony.
Further, although it is pretty obvious that the testimony in the UK trial conflicts with the evidence in the US trial, the two countries have different legal systems. And the evidence for one would likely not be a submittal to the other.
@@annakarenina3188 District attorneys.
I mean, I know you as a barrister is trying to remain impartial and to not accuse the judge too much.
But to me, personally, it seems like the judge made up his mind and then just stretched the evidence to fit his idea.
I’ve followed US trial and noted inconsistencies and do believe grounds for perjury. Thank you for the extensive detail in the inconsistencies in UK trial that further substantiate they both should be charged with its perjury. I know that the UK judge has retired, but really: why has the appeal not been reopened and why has the judge not been investigated for his own inconsistencies in case evidence?
It is beyond me to understand why anyone has any doubt that AH is lying. No matter whether she provided photo’s - if AH was battered or hit or punched or had her head pushed or shoved in the repeated and violent manner that she herself so dramatically described ,there would be;
a). no hiding the injuries and she would have been in such shock or so sore that no way would it have been missed by police or witnesses.
b). more than 90% chance requiring her to need some level of medical attention particularly if that vile accusation of bottle rape was true (medic att’n = witness) or at the very least to remain shut away a minimum of a few days to allow recovery much less allowed her to appear in public or on tv.
These dissonances alone are enough without dissecting these details to the ‘enth degree.
AH has no fear of her ‘terrifying attacker’ ’. As a survivor of a Narcissistic Sociopath & having shared with others and had counselling to recover , no way has this awful woman ever been genuinely in fear. ( AH IS narcissistic psychopath imo)
Whatever JD is, he’s no abuser.
It seemed like in Virginia, every person's version of the staircase incident was different.
I completely agree!!! However, I seriously doubt she (or any of her witnesses) will be charged with perjury. Her not being punished for lying is offensive to all DV survivors who had to fight to be heard because of women like her.
'Hitting' someone with a cast is equivalent to assault with a deadly weapon. It's like someone 'hitting' you with, for example, a bat or a hammer in your hands. That's VERY important info to have omitted, coupled with both sisters' stories being inconsistent. The fact that Ms. Turd and her skivvy never mentioned that Johnny hit them with a cast on, as it wasn't such a biggie, is enough for any judge to realize both committed perjury. Just absolutely disgusting and corrupt for a judge to clearly not take his oath seriously.
IT WASNT JUST A CAST ON HIS HAND IT WAS ONE COVERING A MISSING FINGER TIP . THIS WOULD BE AS PAINFUL AS FUDGE. NOT CREDIBLE
Also he had MERSA several times from that injury.
I feel that her and her sister have told so many lies, that they have no choice but to continue with it. I mean god forbid they ever come clean and say we lied under oath and we lied about Johnny but most of all we lied to the whole world …… even when the whole world knows you are lying
There's an extremely high bar for perjury, and admission is one of the few things that reaches it. They cannot admit they lied.
That's incredible, as an American i did not get the same full account of the UK trial as we did with the US trial. So seeing the even further inconsistencies is incredible. As you've already pointed out the statements themselves don't match up, and its not small details that could have been simply missed by having different perspectives of the incident. Its vast inconsistencies in relation to where people were, what their actions were and how it was resolved. That is extremely telling.
A small note I wish you would have went into mr.mcgiverns statement since unfortunately he has passed and was not able to testify at the US trial, and amber unabashedly used him to try to corroborate some of her statements of abuse which is literally abhorrent. To use the corpse of a man to attempt to bolster your own false claims is disgusting.
Jerry Judge passed, not Travis but you're so right! How disgusting she was to do that. She used her deceased mother as well.
@@janiejane777 damn your right i totally got those two confused, thanks for clearing that up
Regarding your question about AH's use of the word "push" versus the word "shove." I am sure AH uses the words synonymously -- just like she uses the words "pledge" and "donate" synonymously. She is incapable of telling the truth, and the lackeys she surrounds herself with espouse her narrative.
If you are not going to tell the truth and fabricate event happenings under any circumstances you have got to have a bloody good memory and be intelligent enough to outsmart everyone.... Unfortunately most people think they are smarter than they actually are
Amber Heard’s sister testified that Johnny Depp threw a can of drink at Amber, but that it hit Ms Lloyd. In her text messages, Ms Lloyd did not mention being hit by a can of drink - which surely would have been a notable part of the incident to her, even if she didn’t think Depp was aiming for her. That is a pretty large inconsistency in the testimony of AH’s sister. But the British judge ignored that. That seems wrong to me.
AH is a medical marvel deserving intense scientific study! Numerous times she has apparently been repeatedly hit in the face with results barely, if at all, visible to the human eye and totally "healed" within hours.
I suspect that professional boxers remain unconvinced.
I was under the impression it was a backslab, so not a full cast, and he had a pin in his finger. And that is a wire down the tip of the finger into the bone and usually left with the top sticking out so it can be removed. Pretty sensitive and vulnerable.
If perjury charges are not brought in England and Australia against AH, then she has essentially made a mockery of the judicial system in both countries. Blackbeltbarrister, I really appreciate your learned commentary on the English case. You rock!🤟
There's a lot of confusion about the cast. JD had a soft cast, which is rather small and light compared to a complete cast that turns your arm into a bludgeoning weapon. That soft cast would be unlikely to cause anyone much harm, but as the medical expert testified in US trial - it would likely actually break, because it's just a thin layer of plaster that is on its own very brittle.
It would’ve hurt his finger a lot more than anything it touched!
I have had a cast like the one described in the trial, and it's essentially a strip of plaster on one side with a bandage wrapped around your arm and the plaster to create a splint like thing. I believe it would be possible to hit somebody with the plaster part of it and cause some damage if you put a lot of force into it and hit them in the head - but I am almost certain it would also break the plaster in it on impact too and there was no evidence his cast ever got broken, let alone got broken by punching someone. Plus there is the issue of how much it would hurt to hit someone with an injured limb, even if it is semi-protected by a cast.
Agreed, if JD would have acted as the liars AH and her sister alleged then JD would have harmend his injured hand and felt pain until agony.
No if you watched the US trial his Dr testified he had think soft cast at fist then a smaller hard cast.
Exactly why he clearly did not hit her. One, he cldnt have made a fist. Two, the re-injury to his finger would have needed treatment.
If you've ever had a broken bone and had part of your body in a cast, you know there's no way you're going to hit anyone with it
- the pain of any knock to a healing bone is unbelievable! (Just like Amber's testimony)
- so, you're not going to attack someone with that hand and hit them with your cast - it just can't happen (IMHO)
You got it right. I agree with your assessment of the conflicting testimonies. Thank you for clearing that out. 👍
Jennifer Howell's account of the incident, (though not admitted in court) was available on line and tells a whole different story of the incident. It may still be available on Incredibly Average (Brian's) channel.
That was really eye-opening, it blew Whitney's testimony out of the water.
Yes! Whitney was trying to stop AMBER from hitting Johnny!
@@msjannd4 which would make sense as to why she was facing amber.usually when you are stopping a fight you are facing the aggressor as to protect the victim. if they are both attacking each other you probably have your hand out to each telling them to stop .why would your back be towards the person attacking. makes no sense at all
I'm absolutely so glad that you came forward to explain this. I'm wondering are you suffering any backlash for exposing this judgement? I hope not. I would love to see some serious justice for this hoax of a human being. AH that is. Also to see this judges ruling overturned. I have said previously, Johnny's case is only half done.
I think that the UK court system needs you as a judge, BBB. You definitely have better reasoning powers than some of the present incumbents.
A relatively minor detail but an important one, the cast on JD's hand was a part cast as opposed to a full heavy cast.
Brilliant analysis!!! Probably the best I've seen so far on the 'staircase incident'.
Loving these vids! I thought the exact same thing when her sister started saying what had happened!
When someone makes so many false allegations, they often can't remember the exact details of what they had previously said. If an actual event is fresh in the mind, what they say will be more consistent. My Amber made one of many false allegations to police and the media. An example was when she said to police that, in response, to her lies in the News of the World, I'd sent an angry message to her phone. It was her mother's phone and I knew it was her mother's phone. She had no phone of her own. The court, of course, believed her. Six months later, I picked up my case bundle from my solicitor and discover that he'd been keeping cuttings about the case. One was an interview she'd given a women's magazine that included new allegations she'd never mentioned before. But also, she tripped up by stating, quite clearly, that the phone was her mother's. She's now a solicitor herself. Figure that one out.
Yes Sir! Keep speaking that truth!! There were sooo many lies lies lies told...I watched every minute of the trial from beginning to end for the 6 plus weeks, and was literally hollering out loud "Perjury!!!!" on many many occasions throughout the trial! It is actually quite despicable in my humble opinion. But thanks for continuing to speak out the truths in this case!! Much appreciated!
I think this is a case that shines a light on how much authority our UK judges have, people are shocked by this failure and it also reflects the superiority of jury trials.
Amazing work! Your really good at catching even the smallest things! I wish people who purger themselves would be taken to court because of it but instead nothing happens. This is why people continue to lie on the stand. You won’t get in try for it!
According to JD’s surgeon (this was presented as evidence in the trial), the cast on his hand was soft and hitting anyone would have cause him a lot of pain. They also saw no evidence that his wound sustained such abuse.
If JD tried to hit someone with a hand in plaster would have been v unlikely, it would have been excruciatingly painful for JD…
Yes! Exactly! Many people ignore this valid point, though it's probably not the best point to argue (if I were a lawyer), but here we go: a couple of fingers were in plaster, and it would easily break as the doctor testimony in the US, right? So first, if I'd hit someone with that hand, it would cause me some pain. Secondly, it will either break or it was hard enough not to break, right? Finally, if it was hard then obviously there is good damage done to that person and would clearly show, or in case it was soft and got broken, you'd point that out. I'd say that person hit me to the point his plaster broke.
@@UnbreakableMJ0 Yes, as I understand it, the plaster wasn't like a whole-hand traditional Plaster of Paris affair. It would have been exceedingly painful to repeatedly hit someone with it and would shatter the plaster around the fingers, necessitating a hospital visit to repair it.
And it was in fact a soft cast. Hard on top & bottom, soft at the sides to allow for swelling.
@@johnnhoj6749 Thanks for confirming, I wasn't so sure. ☺
After listening to the (exhausting) tapes, I believe we can imagine this scenario pretty clearly. Johnny was trying to retreat..
Yes!
@@icouldbewrongicouldberight Whitney got in between to try to protect Johnny from Amber .
“domestic violence has no gender” “ don’t try to destroy someone’s life with lies when yours can be destroyed with the truth” “don’t play the victim to circumstances you created”👍
Thank you for your insight into explaining the 2 cases and why they are so different. I can't see perjury charges coming tbh. Someone is obviously lying and if UK courts can be convinced to allow another appeal then those discrepancies will feature big and bold as new evidence of lying to the court to get the verdict reviewed
Obvious evidence of lying and she acts dismayed in today’s TV interview that the jury didn’t believe her? She forgets how many people actually saw her testimony.
@@gerriebell2128 She disregards it...We are all nobodies to her. They always talk about 'fans' but not all of us are movie buffs. I watched it all and didn't believe her because she is not credible.
@@michelleanderson8370 It is highly unlikely that that number of people are fans of Johnny Depp . I was not a fan and did not know much about him until the TRO but had seen him in a couple of movies . The sheer number of victims of DV who have spoken out because of Amber’s obviously abusive behaviour is because they watched the trial .
I hope you cover the AH interview... 👍👍👍
Could anything happen to the retired injustice Nicol? I know you don't wanna get into "conspiracy theories" but by the sounds of it you don't need to, it sounds like regardless that his son was linked to Dan Wootton and Rupert Murdoch and the Judge himself was linked to The Sun's barrister and that Amber went to a dinner party with Injustice Nicol's wife during the trial whilst the country was in lockdown, forget all that but it still sounds like he broke every rule in the book to find in favour of The Sun. Also, I did ask you on a stream but didn't get an answer, please could you explain how Dan Wootton managed to get away with not even attending his own court case? He never had to explain why he wrote it, why he believed it to be true, where he got the information from, who he got the photoshopped photographs from, surely this is not normal that he was just allowed to write it and not be called in to explain anything.
Again if she was hit so much why would the two that came upon the scene not find concern for her said injuries? She keeps speaking of these brutal beatings but anyone who finds the two never find injuries on her. As a sister, why wouldn't you take pictures and report him? All lies and now she is out there trying to lie to the public to feel sorry for her. I hope they file perjury charges on her and her sister.
Her no tears crying on the stand showed she's not a very good actress.
Either she “NEVER go[es] outside without makeup”, and the one exception was the day she applied for a TRO and happened to be photographed by news photographers who happened to capture her with a ‘bruise’. Or she’s a liar. Occam’s razor says: liar.
Thank you so much for going over the UK testimony. She has given so many different accounts of this story and her sister is just as inconsistent. It’s like she just makes things up as she goes! She absolutely should be charged with perjury. So happy I found your channel!
Just started listening to you
This is very interesting
Personally I know in my heart Johnny got a raw deal in the U.K.
The judge had personal ties through his son to the son tabloid.
As a judge he should have stepped down
By not doing that I, once again think he should be disbarred and Mr Depp should be granted another fair trial. As an American I've always loved England 🇬🇧
But it unprofessional acts that makes people distrust English judicial systems. Even people born and are citizens there.
Ty for you channel
I'll keep watching long after this mess Johnny has endured.
Thank you for sharing this! The judge was completely biased not to mention conflict of interest. #justiceforjohnnydepp
I like to hear your analysis of the UK judgment as I’m from USA and don’t understand it
The judge's son worked with the man accused of libel. That was about it.
The UK judgement is made by one single person, who has a way better understanding of the law than a jury does, higher average intelligence, better access to evidence, but - unlike a jury - doesn't need to convince several other people that their interpretation is right. A diligent judge who wants to be just is always superior to a jury.
The jury got it right, the judge did not.
BBB, being a barrister in the UK - and probably wanting to keep things that way - would offend the wrong king of people if he publicly accused the judge of not being diligent and lacking the intention to be just. So, being English, he used more words to say exactly the same.
I found you through Andy & am so happy!! I love to hear your educated opinions. I like learning about UK law in general and this case specifically. I have never been a fan of JD but for some reason clicked on the trial when he took the stand & felt his pain! I'm a DV survivor and knew he was being honest. Thanks for helping me to keep learning!
The problem is that courts do not call people out for purjury and people increasingly come to believe it is OK to lie.
The staircase finally. Play act it out and do your jaw drop. Do AH VERSION AND WHITNEY VERSION. SOMEBODY(ies) lying.
Which AH version, the UK version or the US version as they are different.
All together 😂
Great observations Dan. So many inconsistencies!! Have to see that Amber couldn’t stay quiet for long and we will see an interview from her soon! How many more inconsistencies and lies will come forward & how many other people will she blame for what happened.
Thank you for looking at the UK evidence/judgement. His honour established AH's credibility on three accounts, primarily the charity donations. AH and her sister, sat and listened to evidence prior to their testimony. Allegedly, AH and her sister were using their phones in court. So many inconsistencies in the UK trial. JD would have sustained injuries to his pinned finger. JD is also right-handed and could not grab or make a clenched fist to punch with a finger in a splinter cast. I hope this case is looked at again with costs not being met by JD. Imo, an unsafe judgement was made.
New sub and I’m so happy to hear from someone in the uk and a professional barrister!
As I recall, in the USA trial the sister's evidence contradicted that of AH.
She stated that she was coming up the stairs to join AH when JD came up behind her and pushed her in the back.
So if she had fallen it would have been up the stairs not down.
great video as always
could I ask your views on the continued attacks on Johnny and his fans?
how is this still allowed?
Fully behind you @BlackBeltBarrister. You show an evident desire for truth and justice. Everything that this world so desperately needs! Really appreciate all you're doing. Dx
I first thought this was over analysis until I listened to the whole thing.
Now, I am convinced that both Amber & her sister were making things up, and attempting to make things seem worse than they really were!
I have a question
Why didn't she get away from him
He tried each argument to remove himself
She says over and over that she wanted him to stay and quote and un quote
Work it out
What did she want
I feel from 30 years of home health nursing that she lives on the adrenaline from fighting I've met people so empty inside, they need that hormone rush to feel anything
Also she thinks she's bi- but she prefers women
If all she's gonna do is abuse men
I'm very sure men would want her away from them
Far away....
I guess we need not critique JD's team, given that they won. Still, they made choices which confuse me. For example, I would have used prior testimony to impeach both WHE and AH, which they did not go hard on. More, I do not understand why JD's team did not subpoena witnesses, rather than use video deps. Howell needed to be there, so that all of her testimony could have been included.
Technically, I think Howell's testimony wasnt considered much as it's not from the either parties but a witness.
Thank you for doing these videos. I followed the UK trial in the papers, and was surprised at the judge's decision, and how he could have come to it. This sheds some interesting light on the matter. It is also worth saying that you must be a brave barrister with little regard for his career to pick apart a Judge's decision so publicly!
Brilliant. In reality if these things and other violence like this (that she talked about) happened, she would have significant wounds that could not be covered up within a day of two with makeup. She would have significant head, face, and body injuries from repeated blows, head banging, and violent cavity searches. Thank you for laying this out so clearly. Adding that ... this was just such an insult to the general public and the legal system that, yes, they should be brought up on perjury charges.
I'm curious how the UK media handled the US trial and verdict.
It's been mixed. Some reporting it straight and some pushing the " this is a setback for #metoo and a travesty considering he was found guilty in the UK", the latter leaning hard on the UK result to still call him an abuser (which they can, because the UK judge has said that's what he is in his judgement)
You know when Amber Turd is lying, when her lips move.
Thank you. I’ve been waiting for someone to talk about this.
Amber: I use push, shove and swing synonymously.
Johnny's security testified on this..he was there. That is who I would believe and the only one I would believe, besides Johnny. Johnny's security is wonderful and glad they have been there for him! Amber only gave a little of what she wanted in the UK trial. It is all catching up now. Check The Umbrella Guy for a lot of truthful info. So glad you are interested in finding the truth cause AH is not telling any truth...anyone can tell from what she says! It was said she knew the person close to the judge also and was said that played a part...I would need to look it up but was on UTube also.Some of her explanations do NOT make sense! Johnny would need about 4 arms to get it all done! His finger was full of infection and would hurt terribly as it was without even bumping it on anything let alone hitting it!
By defaming Johnny Depp she has created her own infamy!
Infamy infamy they've all got it in for me. To quote a carry on film line.
Carry on Cleo 😂
😂😂😂 ..read that hearing Kenneth Williams voice
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That's right Kenneth played Julias Ceasar and Sid James was Mark Anthony. And what a convincing Cleopatra Amanda Barrie was! (aka Alma Sedgwick Coronation Street)
Awesome details. Thank you for sharing.
Wonderful to listen to your clear explanation of the statements and incidents. Your videos are easy to understand to those of us who have never been in court or given statements, sometimes you can get lost in 'court speak' and it's a pleasure to listen to you. Keep up your great work!