Hagar vs. Eddie: When Sammy Played Dueling Solos Opposite a Guitar Legend (breakdown)
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- Опубликовано: 8 апр 2022
- -Hagar vs. Eddie: Dueling Solos with a Legend (a breakdown)
Saw this concert on video when I was very young. I forgot about the dueling guitar solos so I just had to break this one down..
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You have a very respectable tremolo picking technique - I've seen maybe 2 guys that can duplicate Eddie's technique which I think you could as well if you so chose to. Either choice is cool as we are individuals yes?
I was butt hurt because my mom wouldn’t let me see the 1984 tour with Diamond Dave because I was too young. So I went to the 5150 tour just so I could see EVH in the flesh, and not expecting much from Sammy, but it was a hell of a show. They killed it.
Sammy is a great singer and a great guitar player. The classic double threat.
Did you catch any of the Dave solo tours? Saw both Eat Em and Smile and Skyscraper. Really good shows as well.
I was a big fan of Sammy solo and of Dave VH. When I heard Dave and Eddie were having issues, I told my friends I thought itd be so cool if Sammy became singer for VH. Well it happened and it was NOT what I expected, nor as good as I thought it would be, but I gotta say, I got to see them live in 86, and it was a phenomenal show! Sammy is crazy onstage (and up in the rigging)!
Eddie was a big fan of Sammy’s work, especially with Montrose, and was quite complimentary of his guitar work. Obv he was a much better guitarist, as far as being adventurous and innovative, but Sammy’s no slouch!
@ Bim Scutney. Saw both of those shows. 👍
Well if you woulda asked your Dad instead of your mom you probably would have seen VH in 84 and Sammy on the 3 Lock Box tour the year before.
Not only is Sammy a great player,he's one of the greatest vocalist in the history of rock,and a great guy,the total package!
He's a total package for sure.
I'm a roger daltrey fan but i dare say sammy does it better.
He's a chill, relatively down to earth dude as well from all Ive seen
Sammy is the better vocalist but Dave is the better entertainer.
Wouldn't even put him in the top 20 greatest vocalists
Live Without A Net is such an amazing show, I don't think I've ever seen a band have so much fun on stage! I also love the little vocal-guitar trade off they do before Best Of Both Worlds, with Eddie imitating Sammy's vocal runs. Great stuff.
I wore out two VHS copies of the damn show! Loved it.
I will never understand why they never released that on CD
@@uhill74 I will never understand why they didn't release bonus footage on the DVD.
kids it was four or five shows ....
for you guys that were born in this century, do you know how you found a VH party in the 70s in LA just about the year before they were signed. it was the police helicopter started at five blocks out and worked their way in. you had 45mins to an hour to get in before the cops closed it down!!
@@jimmyg1127 sales issues ...rock and roll is only a small portion of the genres!! eds drug issues got really bad in 1990 he was missing shows getting angry and throwing stuff that didnt work. he went through it must have been a dozen techs he treated them terrible ...
mr guitar god he is still human!
I was impressed with Sammy's solos. They say that when you play with someone great it ups your game.
Very true
yeah it does
Live Without a Net was nearly a daily ritual growing up in that era. My brother and I wore out that VHS tape trying to emulate our heroes! While the guitar playing from both Ed and Sammy was excellent in their own ways, they made it look fun and effortless. Thanks for the breakdown! 👏👏👏🤘🤘
Nice analysis.both technical and feeling!
Same here with me, Aljon. After I got that VHS tape for Christmas 1986, I watched this concert 5-6 times per week for well over a year trying to emulate Eddie's playing.
You have to keep in mind that even though EVH was the Maestro, he was greatly influenced by Montrose and often mentioned his love for them in his interviews. Sammy was held in high respect by EVH because of Montrose. These two were great because of mutual love/respect.
There is a RUclips video somewhere, studio outtake of Van Halen playing “Rock Candy”. I think it’s the only recording of Dave singing a Sammy song.
New shit has come to light.
Great summary. However, I enjoy Eddie’s rhythm playing during Sammy’s solos to be the best parts of the song.
One of my favorite memories of the 5150 show was Sammy and Eddie's "duel", with the rule..."You gotta use a pick" and Sammy running across the stage yelling...."YOU'RE CHEATING!!"
Sammy playing the guitar himself and taking a solo every now and then only added to the diversity within the band. Because he played guitar, he definitely knew what he was talking about as far as the music was concerned. Knowing how to play helped the band write better songs. It was a win for everybody!
Van Hagar records sucked! Too slick polished soft overproduced and lukewarm. 1978-1984 Lp's still hold up today,thanks to Ted Templeton. Eddie didn't know how to produce raw intense rock n roll records.
Someone’s on crack! While I’m a huge fan of both Van Halen eras, they were a better band with Sammy Hagar and the numbers prove it! Better composition and structure! They were tight with Sammy, not so much with Dave! Saw both versions live and both were great! But Dave would forget what he was supposed to sing, or didn’t sing at all when he should’ve! Sammy didn’t make those kinds of mistakes! Plus Sammy was a way better singer and it’s not even close! Dave was the better front man and it’s not even close!
@@michaelhuling9040the songs they made with dave were much much better. They got pussified when sam came along. Dave was a big part of what made them edgey after he wasn't there to stop them getting pussied up they did
@@michaelhuling9040yeah look at the catalog with Roth and the one with Hagar. Not even close in quality 🤷♂️
This was peak VH imo. Eddie was absolutely at his peak. Sammy’s voice was top notch. And there is NO circumstance where it seems they’re all having any more fun than this show. It’s such a shame their relationship soured. They were awesome together. I know they patched up a bit before the end, thankfully. I wish the world got to see them play together again.
I saw Sammy play a few weeks ago at SXSW. His voice is starting to fade, it’s not gone, but not what it was. On guitar though, he was shredding. He played some great solos. He’s a great entertainer, and a great musician.
I wanted to hate van hagar, I really did, but they made some great music. Sammy is a great guitarist and brought a lot of his own style, raw, but polished. I didn't think it would work, how do you put two talents like that together and make it work, but they did. And by the way, damn you can play.
When I got into Van Halen I only really listened to the stuff that had David Lee Roth and was totally not into the thought of Van Hagar. But once I actually heard them i realized they were still really good even without Roth.
People blame Hager for the tonal changes in Van Halen. It was Eddie who wanted a more modern synth pop sound. He wanted to change the style and since hes an amazing musician he was entitled to do what he wanted. Thats why Dave left, he loves that classic rock n roll sound.
I totally agree. I don’t know what happened for there to be bad blood between Eddie and Sammy in the end but I like to look back on this concert fondly for the band chemistry on stage.
Van Hagar has great singles but the albums don't hold up like the David Lee Roth era albums do.
@TMINE100 That's the truth. Van Hagar has many, many skippers. More than Van Halen. Van Halen has classic albums that you can listen to.
Underrated aspect of the Hagar era…
Sammy reached new highs playing with Eddie. I have loved Sammy as much as Eddie my whole life. I am 58 and Still love what Sammy can bring!
Eddie actually did play well with others. It's hard to find, but Eddie did an album with Brian May called Star Fleet Project, and the two of them sounded great together.
Yeah, it is superb. I remember stumbling on it in a record store in about '86 I think.
Is it possible that I finally found a person who not only plays but can convey how to play? Are you that dude finally?????
What was witnessed was two pro guitar players working well together. Obviously EVH is the man. Sammy is no slouch by any means. Great solos all the way around. Honestly, I prefer 2 guitar bands, much fuller sound. Great video as always!
Probably one of, if not the best concert videos of all time. This version of One Way To Rock tops them all, even the original. Nice break down.
I remember reading an interview with them in a guitar magazine back in the day. Sammy said something like "I can say what Sammy Hagar needs to say on guitar. The difference is that Ed can say it in like 10 different languages." I also remember getting to go backstage and meet the band on their 1993 tour. Sammy and Mike were cool, and I got a hi-five from Eddie...which was like slapping your hand against a brick wall.
Sammy killed it! He definitely held his own...
Watched the video of that show countless times back in the day. Still listen to the audio of it frequently. The version of 5150 there with EVH's extended solo is just insane.
I don’t even play but I can geek out on this kind of stuff ALL NIGHT! Thanks !
Live Without A Net was a game-changer, by the Kings of Game Changing. Just awesome. I wore out more than one VHS tape of it. And still watch the DVD. Incredible show, and energy. Hagar was awesome, and the immediate chemistry with Edward was just crazy. Those 2 were meant to rock the World together. And they did. Hagar was so fun to watch play guitar. No Edward, for sure. But no one was, or ever will be. He's in a class all by himself. But Hagar was so good. Subtle and bluesy, and he complemented Edward so well. Man. What a Band. There will NEVER be another Van Halen. Nor will there ever be another Edward Van Halen. Period.
Nice job getting the right feel into the EVH licks. Much better than most great players who attempt it. It’s a really tough thing to nail, because it’s not strictly about technique. It’s about attitude and personality.
I took guitar lessons for a year when I was 11 and walked away from it. Seeing this performance got me interested in playing guitar again. This is, by far, my favorite Van Halen performance.
I love Sammy. I’ve gotten the pleasure of meeting him several times and just saw him last month at the Strat in Vegas. He is so celebrated as a singer, his guitar playing is kind of over looked. I wish I could play that well, let alone like Eddie ha.
Great Channel - love that you picked up on this kind of thing! Always wondered about this back and forth thing!
I never tire of people's reactions and professional analysis of this concert...you nailed it!!!!!
Wow, that was really good stuff man!
You can jam!
Those boys kicked ass!
Glad I’m alive for it !
Great subject for a video. As an old dog, I remember watching this when it came out. I couldn’t help but imagine how nerve wracking it had to be in the first show swapping licks with the Maestro. I’d be willing to bet he stressed and over-prepared for this. I’m a big fan of your videos. You do an awesome service to the guitar community.
Seen the 5150 show in Montreal in 86 great show, they played that song man great memories
I was blown away the first time I saw that video , I remember being so proud of Sammy for that. I watched that on vhs (rented! Lol)at least a dozen times as a young teen.
Live Without a Net is pure plasma power rock’n’roll. In 5150 Eddie and the boys captured lightning in a bottle, with every single track. Not only Eddie, but also Al and Mikey went from all staccato all the time to full legato-fluid, relentless, effortless musical production-thanks to a jolt sent down the stage by the amazing vocal powerhouse, you know who. Please, look at how Eddie plays Get Up in this concert, you’ll know what I mean.
P.S. I saw one other video where Sammy does that final 2-step bend on the 3rd string 22nd fret. Crazy place to bend but that's what I saw. ;)
cool
That 5150 guitar is really cool, especially when played by Cameron cooper! But very pricey!
Live Without a Net deserves a watch just for Michael Anthony’s epic bass “solo” where he’s just drunk off his ass, making tons of noise with delay, and finally falling backwards as a 200lb man. Hilarious!
First show they did with Sammy in Shreveport, right before Michaels bass solo he pours a shot of Jack into a shot glass, stares at it for a moment then tosses the shot glass over his shoulder and guzzles from the bottle
Really great video man. Such a cool idea for a guitar video. I really enjoyed this one
Always great content from your channel! And that guitar is simply gorgeous!!!
This video is really fantastic. 'Live Without a Net' was one of my fav releases from the most influential band of my youth. Great job, you've definitely earned a sub!!
Love it! Thanks man, love these videos!
Thanks for doing this video, and a lot of the 80s guitar rock videos lately! I've been uninspired the past 6 months or so playing guitar. This/these videos take me back to when I first started learning to play guitar and has energized me to pick up the guitar and play - as opposed to noodle! 🎸🎸🎸
Dude what a great video to make! great choice! In 1986 I went to my grandmothers and recorded it when it aired, she was the only one in the family who had a VCR at the time. I was one year into playing guitar & I wore that tape down!!!!
Some great usable licks from both of them. Thanks!
You’re such a legend! Loved that video!
I love these VH videos, so insightful
Great video and lesson!!! I really enjoy your content and guitar stories. It feels like we had many similar experiences growing up, tab books from Hell, waiting to get a ride to buy 1 high e string, tape deck home studio, tape malfunctions, and my 1st concert was Kiss Crazy Nights tour. While I'm not much of Kiss fan now, I believe it was a Kiss video that led me to your channel. That VH concert on VHS was part of my childhood, the version "5150" is outstanding just as the guitar dual that opens the show. Again great job, and thanks for the memories....
Sammy hagar doesn't get as much credit. His old band, Montrose, created speed metal. I got the fire was covered in Riot's demo track and Riot is considered to be one of the first speed and power metal bands
Montrose is so underrated! As well as Sammy. Killer singer 🔥
I just checked out that song as I’d never heard it before. Great song a wicked solo👍
Iron Maiden covered it on a B side as well I think.
Rock candy is pretty metal
Montrose was GREAT
Great breakdown and comparison! I learned a lot! 🤘🏻👍🏻
So interesting! Thanks for breaking this down. Love both guitarists. Thanks for sharing!
Totally awesome is this on DVD would love to see it great video thanks man
I saw Live Without A Net tour live in 1986. Nassau Coliseum Long Island NY.
Great video Mike! I really enjoy all your content. It's all so relatable to me. Thanks Mike.
Mike - thank you for this one. Sort of wish you had also analyzed the jam at the end of this song. Most times I think, 'OK, enough, play the next song now...' but this is actually one of my favorite jams ever, as they keep at it for quite a while. Also, Eddie has a killer tone/crunch going as he's playing rhythm guitar to Sammy's solo near the end of this song. Last thing, although I can't begin to play as well as you do, your musical taste between KISS, Metallica and Alice in Chains is identical to mine. It's like you're reading my mind on what's awesome out there. Please keep it up, you're doing great work out there. Thanks again!
Sammy makes up for it all with his singing. They are all heros...
Too bad there aren't any around today to carry the torch.
Sammy is still rockin’ hard!
I agree! Without a vocalist, EVH gets boring very quickly. He doesn't have the musicianship that musicicians like Steve Vai or Joe Satriani have to sustain most people's interest for an entire album or concert.
@@MrChopsticktech You must be kidding.
@@MrChopsticktech: Yea right 😂
This concert recording changed my life!!
Sweet dude! You are getting better which is hard at your lvl. Keep on rockin!
Only one word for all the elements on this video: PASSION! ... And great music!
Nice job with the analysis.
I too, have worn out multiple copies of Live without a net. Haha.
Loved this. Thanks 👍🙏🙏
That final, harmonised bend gives me chills every time
Great breakdown. Really enjoyed the video. Thanks!
Very cool breakdown. I really like Sammy’s playing and feel like his note choices stand out as distinctive. I like that you gave him credit and agree that Eddie is a legend. I do still think that Sammy is underrated by most people, you never hear or see much about his playing. Great job.
Sammy is always good but rarely great. I love him but he is a hard guy to argue for because there isn't a lot of truly great moments that are 100% Sammy Hagar that you can point a non believer to. He always seems over shadowed even when he is at his best.
I am 40 years in to my love affair with the guitar and this channel represents the highest form of the youtube format. I always enjoy your videos and your commitment to your audience is worthy of praise. I saw you being really supportive of "Craigs News" a couple of times and generosity of spirit and with money is a rare trait. The more we give away the more we get.
peace
Always loved Sammy and Edward's playing here definitely the red rocker held his own, the entire LwOaN recording is great to watch also contains one of the best eruption solo runs. You could tell there was real love in the band when Sammy was there I love Dave and early VH but they penned some killer tracks with Sammy too.
Live Without a Net is the Rocky of concerts! If you ain't pumped up after watching this concert, than you must be my age(52) and need a nap LOL.
Great vid and OMG I have ordered that guitar and haven't got it yet been 4 months it killing me.
Man, I ordered that guitar in December! Hopefully it comes in sometime this month! Cool video. 🎸Live Without a Net has great footage.
4:24 You're a good man for pointing this out and giving folks a proper warning.
No way you did a video on this; this is one of my favourite performances ever
Super cool man. Would love to hear your breakdown of the Summer Nights solo from this concert. That has always blown my mind.
Another banger video Mike! Sick 5150 guitar. I have one of the 2020 tobacco burst models. I wish I got the blue burst though!
Absolutely brilliant thank you. Just subbed
Since Eddie is the greatest to ever plug in, Sammy held his own.
Great breakdown. I was fortunate to see Van Hagar Live in the early 90’s. They played great together
“Keep up” is a great way to characterize what is one of the greatest live performances ever. Hagar is 40 when he belts out that incredible scream and I totally agree about how raw and powerful it is to set up the dueling solos. Great breakdown!
I must have watched that a million ti times loved it every time
What a great idea. I remember watching these as a kid too !
Very cool. Thanks.
I saw Van Halen at the US Festival in 83, the 1984 tour and then this tour, 5150. It was the first time I had ever seen EVH play head to head with another guitar player live and it simply blew me away. RIP EVH. I miss you every day!
I love the way you showed how each solo was played! I play piano so some of your verbiage was foreign, such as pentatonic G. I would love to know what that is. Thanks for the video!!
Besides the technical and musical analysis, you talk a lot about the dynamics of the musical thinking for making things work in a song, very few do that, great video!!!
Great video mike! Sammy def holds his own. You really break it down perfectly
1988 Monsters of Rock Tour in Washington DC. That is the most memorable part of the whole show.
Sammy played first, then Eddie. Sammy would play something great, then Eddie would rip something off that was astounding. Sammy was really playing hard and Eddie with his trade mark smile would blister some amazing licks.
The absolute BEST version of that song I’ve ever heard!!
I love that song so much! That dueling guitar thing I actually crank that song on the computer speakers at work and play that video! There's Only One Way To Rock live version is best ever!
I remember borrowing this in VHS from the library back in the early 90s.
You played that sliding Eddie lick beautiful at 5:20. Tasty stuff
I first noticed Sammy's ability on Love Walks In. Ed is busy with the synth, so Sammy has to play Ed's pre verse solo, and my god, he sounded exactly like him.
I saw them on the Balance tour and Sammy was incredible. If only I knew those two were barely even speaking at that time. You would have never have guessed it from the show though.
I remember when this came out,so wild to see some one Play In guitar with evh!!! Great great show!!!
This Van Hagar video performance is one of my all time high energy performances. Another dimension that Sammy/EVH bring putting their own signature on it.
I was blessed to see every version of Van Halen!! Great job of breaking those leads down.👍
These EVH 5150 traditionals keep showing up in my feed.... gonna have to order one soon.
Cool looking axe! Would look even cooler without inlays. All black! I grew up playing Kirk Hammett solos, too! Love that guy! Van Halen with David Lee Roth is best. Killer video! 🤘🏻
That's would be the 5150 guitar in Stealth..
But DLR don‘t play guitar worth sh!t
I love playing Marty Friedman solos or Chris Poland. Kirk Hammett best performance was when he did a tribute to Prince “When Doves Cry”
Great video! I bought this video when it was released, and it is STILL one of my favorite concert vids of all time. Cool breakdown of this section. To be honest, I actually prefer Sammy's solo that he plays during Love Walks In, versus the Eddie studio version. Sammy's solo is more tasteful.
I had a DVD of a bunch of Van Hagar shows from the 5150-Unlawful Carnal Knowledge era and it definitely showed me just how cool of a guitarist Sammy was, like the dude could shred alongside EVH
Great video 👌
class act! Well done... much appreciated!...
Well done, and thanks, you are also a amazing guitar player , cheers !!
Great video. I love when two musicians push each other like that. Eddie def made Sam a better player.
Roth or Hagar it's still Van Halen to me. Absolutely love the Live Without A Net concert, I remember watching all the time when I was little being absolutely blown away and memorized by the whole band, and Eddie's solo section of the concert was just 🤌🤌🤌🤌😍😍😍😍
Your tone in this vid is great!
Good Stuff, thanks for doing this 👍 👏
SUPER SWEET LOOKING AXE BRO!!!
I watched Live Without A Net over and over as a teen on VHS. Sammy doesn't get enough credit. Fun video Mike.
I saw many concerts there in New Haven I miss that Van Halen concert but I saw that many times before
I have to recommend the 89 Tokyo dome version the line up is way more seasoned and eddie is trem picking better than ever and his fills are out of this world!