How Could This HAPPEN?!? Iron Menace Review - Dorney Park
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- A quote from my favorite movie, "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." That's exactly how I feel about B&M after riding their latest dive coaster, Iron Menace. To be up front, I didn’t have high hopes for this attraction. After two months of failed trips to get to Dorney Park, I had plenty of time to read all the reviews, so I tempered my expectations. I still knew this was a product from Bolliger & Mabillard and they are known for building reliable, dependable, all-around solid roller coasters.
Well, I made it to Dorney Park, headed straight for Iron Menace and rode it twice in a row which only led me to one major thought… How could this have gone so horribly wrong????
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That final turn into the break run is clearly B&M's homage to Pegasus at Mt. Olympus
@@DonkeyPopsicle it cracks me up every time I watch a video of the ending of Pegasus
@@DonkeyPopsicle it cracks me up every time I watch the ending of pegasus
I absolutely don’t think you oversold the rattle. When I rode, it was rough enough to give me a headache after 4 rides, and I have a HIGH tolerance for that sort of thing. It’s a new ride and should not be doing that at all.
Agreed!
Damn it’s that ruff???
@@nito209 it definitely does not run well
So it sounds like you rode a Gerstlauer Infinity 😂
But really, I’ve seen the POVs and heard the reviews. It’s not great.
I rode iron menace before multiple times and in my opinion it’s not thaat bad. Sure it could definitely be better without it but it doesn’t really take out much of the ride experience imo.
While riding on the outside car, in the valley before the zero g roll, I experienced extreme jackhammering and my back hurt for the rest of the day. Talon still reigns supreme.
@@ethansummer4929 Talon is the best ride in the park. Menace is three or four
Yeah, those outer seats, which may be exciting on other dive coasters, are a lot more painful on Iron Menace
Talon will probably always be supreme unless they build a Fury style giga.
I felt that. I don’t understand how a new B&M is this rough. Like I don’t even remember Firebird at Six Flags America being this rough.
I feel bad for Dorney as this is their first new coaster in years and it’s having this issue. Talon is honestly one of the best inverts I’ve ridden that said I think Steel Force is my favorite it the park.
@@ninjagirl226 steel force was my favorite but this year the turnaround at the end has gotten pretty rough in my opinion
Strange about the rattle. Yukon Striker is 100ft taller and is a longer, faster ride but is smooth from start to finish.
I think there is something about these 7 across seating thats the problem, might be wrong though
Yeah Yukon Striker is still very smooth to this day. Leviathan is still glass smooth after 12 years of operation which is impressive.
Is B&M trying to make trains lighter, thus more susceptible to shaking?
The track profiling is really poor. Especially the final turn where it literally has a spot where the radius suddenly changes like on an old arrow/vekoma causing the horrible jolt.
I also wouldn't rule out the contractor who built the ride was rushed into finishing it, leading to alignment imperfections.
@@Stagnant_GravyI don’t think they were rushed. Dorney broke ground extremely early they had plenty of time to finish the ride. I think it is a B&M issue. A lot of new ones are having rattles these days. I heard they don’t use the same steel they previously used because it became too expensive.
I think B&M have changed something in the manufacturing and design process for their track. Nemesis Reborn has an awful rattle, while it doesn't make the ride rough you can feel yourself vibrating in a lot of slower sections mainly. Mandrill Mayhem is awful as well, so much bouncing where you compare it to a similar ride down the road at Thorpe Park, Swarm is glossy smooth. And by the looks of things, Pnegiun Trek and Pheonix Rising both have a weird vibration as well.
I heard something changed on the executive level which is causing this
I believe they are using different steel now. The cost of the steel they used before got too expensive
I rode it twice this past Sunday! It was smooth and fun!
Was this ride really that painful?
I got five rides on Iron Menace back in June, and I had a lot of fun with it. You wiggle around a lot, but I didn't find it too uncomfortable. Its got some bite to it, which I really like.
It has better pacing than the vast majority of rides of its type, it has the best view of the entire park, strong forces, and even solid airtime at points. Of these more "rustically themed" rides Cedar Fair has delivered for us, I'd argue that "abandoned factory" is the most fun of them.
I'm not going to say that the tracking isn't a problem, but I have at least some faith that Dorney and B&M will sort out the kinks. Candymonium opened with a horrible rattle in 2020, and now it's one of Hershey's smoother rides. Although I will never expect Menace to be as smooth as Candy is now, I still think that the roughness was oversold, and I can name at least half a dozen other B&Ms I think are rougher, along with another have a dozen coasters that opened within the last 10 years. It wasn't too much rougher than something like Banshee at Kings Island, which is a top coaster for me. If you like Banshee, you probably have an increased chance at enjoying Menace.
Speaking of Banshee, that's Menace's biggest issue for me- Its track length is way too short (currently the 4th shortest B&M in the states), and because of this, it has an unapologetically low element count. Maybe if Menace had an extra element at the end, instead of being cut short (resulting in the track imperfection), perhaps Menace would have scored better for me too.
Not at all, I’m confused by this video. Did me and all of my friends ride a completely different roller coaster than this guy last week? I thought it was smooth as butter.
@@SmoakinThrills Same. I only felt a rattle in the back row and I rode it 26 times
Idk but rattle has been a more and more common B&M characteristic for the past 15 years now starting (from my memory) with diamondback.
But.. if it truly doesn't cause pain nor extra wear and tear.. its ok i guess. Unfortunately.. sometimes it can cause discomfort.
Thats said.... Im still a huge B&M fan cause their rides are usually open 😅
For me it’s just the jolt and the end other then that it’s a great ride for DP
Definitely a one and done for me. The outside seat was just a rattle fest and those vests pinched my thighs in a horrifying way
The back row was worse which is unfortunate because that first drop gives some good airtime
The sudden jolt at the end I have to absolutely agree is unexpected and very rough. Surprised this wasn’t addressed by the manufacturer.
I didn’t really notice a rattle. But Hydra had a pretty bad rattle
Hydras rattle is so so much worse in the back compared to the front.
@@TheEpic22 some rides on hydra are better than others
@@ethansummer4929
I agree. My most recent one was very rough but before that I never had a problem
I hear what you're saying, but "horribly wrong" is a bit harsh. I'd give it a 6.5, which is just about what your scoring system came up with....but yeah, it kinda rattles🤷😂
I consider this horribly wrong for a brand-new roller coaster. These issues shouldn't have been a thing.
My theory is they need to stop using that skinny track and use the thick track again like they use too
are they using skinny track these days on the new dive coasters? that seems like a supremely stupid choice. look at the size of those trains. giant heavy trains require giant track. I also wonder if B&M got a little more lax on their wheel tolerances in the past few years
@@dindog22 It depends on the width of the train. The thick track is used for dive coasters with 8 or 10 rows.
I don't disagree with your assessment of B&M or really your rating of this coaster at all. Maybe I didn't get enough rides in, but it was "fine" an easy 6 like your tally suggests. I noticed a little of the rattle, but I really feel like coaster enthusiasts these days have absurdly high standards for smoothness. Did you ever ride Hercules at Dorney Park? Now that was a rough ride!
Ngl I agree, like I’m a coaster enthusiast and sometimes i get annoyed when people instantly trash on a ride for not being extremely smooth.
Was on Sheikra a few weeks back and am still amazed at how smooth this OG drop coaster is. It's still such a great coaster that is nearly 20 yrs old. It will really suck if Kings Dominions' wing coaster gets the new B&M rattle. Can only imagine how bad Iron Menace will be in 5-10 yrs. How does Dorney Park allow B&M to get away with this?
Loved the first drop, and the incline loop!
5:12 exacerbate - to worsen; aggravate
exasperate - to irk, frustrate, annoy
See i loved it. N the rattle didnt bother me one bit. Btw back row wing seat was fine
Guess I had the right seat because I didn’t really notice the roughness. My biggest beef was that the ride was too short.
Did you ride front row middle seat?
Agreed, like an element or two more would've made it more complete
@@XscreamThrills I've ridden this spot several times and did not notice anything that would impact the experience. I found it to be a quick, punchy ride with a lackluster ending. Though the drop, zero g roll and incline loop were all awesome elements that delivered.
My experience, which is based on a dozen rides now, is that the second and third row end seats do deliver a significantly less smooth ride. It's noticeable, but not headache inducing or painful. Something about the train build has to be the issue here.
I like how they gave it a nod to Knott’s Berry Farm with the name Hiram McTavish.
Riding it next month. I've rode Griffon and Yukon Striker. Looking forward to see how it compares.
I dont understand how so many roller coaster junkies complain so much about rough rides. I think folks nowadays have been spoiled by these butter smooth computer aided designed coasters. Back in my day roller coasters hurt and we couldn't wait to do it again
I rode this twice and I want very impressed with it. After the first drop it doesn’t really do anything else. Yeah it has its turns and everything but it really just feels like an extended turnaround to get back to the station. And I was really surprised that the rattle was that bad for a ride that just opened. It really isn’t a horrible ride, it’s just kind of boring. Except for the theming. This ride has amazing theming.
Great review and very honest…not a shilling everything is awesome from some of the biggest names out there…appreciate your honesty
Why do B&M's tend to have that rattle? Bad design? Subpar construction/materials?
But hey Dorney Park got something
I feel like you are way to negative in this review. I dont how in the world you think its rough when other people say that it an enjoyable ride. Either youre getting old or idk.
Not sure if you have been reading the comments, but quite a lot of people agree with me that this ride is "rough."
@@XscreamThrills doesn't make this ride bad at all.
@@XscreamThrillsngl I agree it’s a bit rough in some elements but I don’t feel like it ruined the ride. I respect your opinion but I feel like you were a bit harsh on some things
I've been saying this for years: B&M's reputation regarding smoothness and reliability has been generally overrated/overstated. They only get away with this perception due to their sheer quantity of rides. So, on average, they appear more reliable than most but it's not a 1:1 compared to other manufacturers.
Interesting! I was there last week and noticed the rattle for sure, but it didn't really impact the ride. Only rode once and I was in the middle of the front row though. Hydra was pretty bad in terms of the rattle and Talon's was minor, but as you said, Iron Menace is brand new so it is alarming there is a rattle at all.
I rode iron menace 3 times on opening day, and 6 times in late July. I never noticed any rattle, even in the back. I do think you oversell the rattle. Diamondback or Hydra have worse rattle
I didn't really notice much of a rattle, but I wasn't able to get many rides on it. My main issue was that it was a bit short. An extra element or two would make it feel more complete. It was notably more intense than other dive coasters I've ridden (Griffon, ShieKra, Dr D)
Ok. After 38 times on this ride , yes 38. I personally feel it is taking the Corkscrew and turn too fast that could be causing the intense rattle. It's the only B&M mondern dive coaster that doesn't have a trim break. Also, B&M went off script with this coaster.
I felt a small raddle but nothing serious, i believe it will settle in over the winter. I thought the ride was a perfect fit for Dorney.
4:40 wait a minute, so you mean to tell me that they did this TWICE IN THE SAME YEAR?? Because Penguin Trek has the same problem, that last turn is profiled so horribly! What is up with that?
Crazy how talon is glass smooth and this isn’t. I still enjoyed the ride but crazy rattle for a new coaster
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It's weird that the 2024 B&Ms have been quite rough. I've heard that Penguin Trek or whatever it's called at Sea World also has a massive rattle. Hope they get that figured out as they seem to be a go to for almost every park chain out there.
After talking to some people who used to work maintenance on B&Ms apparently newer B&Ms take a few years to “break in” but yeah the build quality of Menace doesn’t come close to Talon or even Hydra
It can't be any worse than how Laser was.. I smacked my head against a portion of the head restraint while riding that one... Regardless, Talon is the best coaster in this park, no contest. I mean, with only like 6 coasters it's not saying much but still, I'll ride it multiple times. It is unfortunate cuz even though i live within 20 minutes of Dorney, there's not a whole lot there to warrant a season pass.
The vibration of the vest against my chest made me think of a heart attack at the bottom of the first drop. While that last spot might knock you out, otherwise regular horse collars would probably be better. And these rides' "originality" increases when you sit on the end. Unfortunately time didn't permit me to get past having zero interest in trying again.
I find this coaster to be so underwhelming. It is easily my least favorite B&M Dive I've ridden. I wouldn't call the ride rough, but it's rattle and transition into the station is shocking for a new B&M. I would rank this the 4th best coaster at Dorney had Hydra not had more rattle in this years visit. Talon and Steel Force are much better. I still might give the edge for 3rd to Hydra for the Jojo Roll.
As for people saying no one dislikes this coaster other than XScream, I have seen the same issues mentioned by so many people, either in reviews or comments. If you like it, no one is taking that away from you. I'd think most of us are happy for you and wish it were true for us. It just isn't.
I like this coaster and tbh the things you say are kinda true, it could definitely be better but it is still a nice edition to the park in my opinion.
I don't know if "horribly wrong" is the correct description. I would save "horribly wrong" for Top Thrill 2
I didn’t feel a rattle at all
Second worst B&M? Is it fair to say that Firebird is number one?
No I really enjoyed this coaster but after my 4th time this coaster unfortunately is at the bottom of my dorney park lineup. I’d much prefer riding Thunderhawk or Hydra ANYY day🤣
Rattle has to do with wheel crush and grease, basically daily maintenance. Factory tolerances are tight on track because the track ends are flat at all joints, so it's tough to blame Clermont. You know, unless there's like, a cracked support 😂
That would make sense, if every new b&m coaster since 2022 is rattley. Seaworld orlando has some glossy smooth b&ms yet pipeline and penguin trek are very shakey. doesnt seem like a maintenance issue, its 100% because of b&m
@@Yonel6969 let's be reasonable here, it's equally possible that it's B&M or it's maintenance crews that work on those particular rides. No one knows yet until/if it's resolved what is the cause of the issue. If it's not resolved it's no big deal
@@TrueLies23 It's B&M. Nemesis Reborn has an awful rattle and Mandrill Mayhem is just plain rough with how much you bounce around.
@@lancehutch still doesn't make the ride bad.
@@Themeparkfan630 Of course it doesn't, at least with Nemesis's sake - I ablosultly love it even if it gives me a headache now. But parks are paying STUPID money for these rides and expect a glossy smooth coaster, as B&M used to make. So why is it ok for them to drop off in quality now when parks are paying probably even more for them currently?
I think we are starting to see the end of B&M. They look and act like they are stuck in the 90s when they were the best. They arent anymore. Theres so many better companies now. As for the roughness there is no excuse for a brand new coaster from a considered world class company to rattle. Or have a jolt. Its unacceptable and people have the right to be upset. Its a multi million dollar attraction. Literally every other coaster company doesn't have that problem. Yet somehow B&M does. I think theyll be done by a decade. They dont try anything new. They havent came out with any new models or experiences. Their new coasters are rough. You know its bad when arrow coasters from the 70s rattle less than a new coaster. I think B&M is the modern Arrow. Just refuses to change because they think they are the best.
No wonder people hate coaster enthusiasts.
@@Themeparkfan630 uhhhh even GP is complaining about the roughness and the jolt. This is a major issue. It's a brand new coaster. You saying enthusiast are just judging. We are judging for a reason. B&M is a world class company a brand new ride that coaster millions of dollars shouldn't have a jolt. It's unexcusable. This isn't the 1980s when coasters were hand built. We have some of the most advanced technology now and yet they have issues. This isn't a coaster issue. It's a B&M issue. Literally no other company makes coasters that rattle this much when new. I cant think of a single Intamin or RMC or mack that has jolts and rattles. It's a shame cause B&M used to be good. As for you complaining about it. Someone has to cause B&M needs to stop being stubborn and adopt new technology and experiences or else they will be forgotten and the company that didn't bring anything new to the table. Their last new design was their flying coaster in the mid 2000s. That's it. They don't adopt new ways to design rides or new elements. They just have their cookie cutter elements. They are literally modern arrow besides the fact they change the elements for the height. That's it though. They haven't brought a new element. All they use is dive loops, immelmann, loops and zero g rolls. That's it and sure alot of other companies do that. But at least they also have outer banks and stalls and airtime hills and other unique elements. B&M just does control c, control V to all their coasters. It's getting old real fast. It's not the 90s. It's time to step up your design process. Add new experiences and elements and actually do something different for once.
@@CarolinaCycloneJames dude it's one ride it's not that serious.
They have 4 of the most popular models there not going anywhere
I think the roughness is crazy for being a 5 month old bnm I can’t re ride more then 3 rides I get such a headache
Dorney Park is my home park and I can’t believe how this roller coaster so bad.
B&M is the new Arrow. They've started using cookie cutter elements, and are having issues with roughness.
Hopefully the new wing coaster at Kings Dominion will be better.
Hmmm I would give a higher score to originality. One of two dives with a 95 degree drop. Only dive in the world to have an inclined loop and only dive coaster in the US that doesn’t have a turn around at the top.
can you make a video comparing millenium force and leviathan at canadas wonderland
can we just stop getting dive coasters? I mean really, they're not fun at all, valravn and iron menace cause headaches, cedar fairs cold shoulder to intamin and rmc is getting really cringe.
@kakkycoasties8670 I really enjoyed valravn. I think that's more of a you problem then anything.
@@Themeparkfan630 It's not just a me problem, the group of 3 i was with all said it was rattling a ton. The ride doesn't do anything fun outside of the drop to warrant a re-ride.
Maybe you caught it on a bad day. All the times I've ridden it, it's been smooth. So i think it's a u problem, buddy @kakkycoasties8670
WAH WAH WAH - go ride old woodies - THOSE ARE FUN AND ALMOST ALWAYS break your back - it's fun......stop acting like everything has to be BUTTER SMOOTH! It's called fun! Go ride in your car on the turnpike if you want smooth everything. There is a point to the rattle - to make it more than just gliding! I am sure some will not agree and others will! I personally miss the old LASER which was so zippy in the same spot, had lots of rattles, and was just pure fun! "Oh no you whipped into the brake run - Call mommy"
Exactly. Bro is to negative
Fr like the rattle doesn’t really ruin the ride much and like a ride doesn’t have to be extremely smooth to be fun.
by any chance where you there on July 6th?
I was there on the 12th & 13th
@@XscreamThrills I was there on the 6th. Same thing with the water park being slammed.
bullshit. i rode this ride and it was amazing and didn't feel in pain at all. only issue is it's a little short. you're acting like this ride is El Toro. if you're in pain after Iron Menace, please hit the gym and get some muscle on your bones. It's not the ride, it's you. hit the gym and get big bro.
For number 1 the ride is to short
Very shaky
Everybody attacks six flags but I’m sorry cedar fair and there b and m only motto is so boring. Truly. I’m terrified cedar fair is going to make six flags not work with rmc, intiman, etc.
Parks need to boycott b and m for all models except for the hyper for a while. Rattle or no rattle... i love a defensive ride... they just arent interesting. Manta at sea world san diego is a mack family launch and its way more fun than emporer, their dive. Also, floorless and inverts are exponentially more fun than wings and dives. I feel bad for parks whenever they drop 20 mill on these average average experiences. This is coming from someone who has adored this company for 25 years. Great america was my home park growing up but they really have fallen off
Their surf coaster model is pretty good, which is why I'm surprised their latest generation dive coaster doesn't seem to hold up like the previous versions.
@XscreamThrills they just used to be soo good. The best CAD, the best profiling, the most smooth. But they got boring and mild while the rest of the industry went the rmc intamin direction. And then rough manufacturers became smooth and then b and m got rough. And they waste so much space in their layouts. Theyre either formulaic or when they arent, it feels like filler. Their airtime hills are perfect on the hyper, but they put an airtime hill on a wing and everyone scratches their heads lol
What is the roughest B&M you’ve ridden?
Valkyria At Liseberg. it Had A Really Noticeable Rattle. The Smoothest For Me Was Black Mamba At Phantasialand.
Unreal
This isn’t good at all I still have yet to ride it though
I rode it before and I feel like he over exaggerated about some things like this ride can be a bit rough on some elements but it still is a decently fun ride.
This video confused me.
I completely and utterly disagree with you. I rode it a few times last week and thought it was not only smooth as butter, but had a great layout as well. Every person I was with agreed it was awesome and all of the GP around us were clapping at the end of every ride.
I felt next to zero rattle…and the fact that you think this is the second worst rattler you’ve ever ridden from B&M makes me question your judgement to be honest. That simply cannot be true. I’m sorry, but it can’t. I have ridden a mountain of B&M’s and some of them feel like actual torture devices. This one is brand new and absolutely doesn’t even come CLOSE to the worst ones I’ve been on. Not even the same zip code.
This video is off base as hell. I think you are exaggerating for clicks to be honest with you. I don’t say that as a personal insult, but this opinion is actually absurd. Iron Menace is a fantastic new coaster and absolutely adds to Dorney as a whole. This is actually the first review I’ve seen of it that was negative. You mention that you’ve “read the reviews”. Which ones? Every one I’ve read/seen has landed somewhere between “it’s fine but not my fav” to “incredible”.
I find it extremely difficult that you would call this a butter smooth ride... Also, I would NEVER adjust my ranking of a coaster in "hopes" for more views. I stand behind every single review of mine, and if my opinions change, I'll make a follow-up video.
@@XscreamThrills I felt absolutely zero rattle on any of my rides
I felt like this ride wasn’t thaat rough but it wasn’t that smooth either. Overall I still like the ride and this doesn’t really ruin the ride, so like my overall rating of this ride is like a 6.8/10 or 7/10
This coaster was overrated from the start. Way too short, and now it’s not even well made. What a joke of an investment by Dorney Park, and this puts it firmly in the lowest tier of Cedar Fair parks
@@Themeparkfan630 it's over within 20 seconds. How does this addition make the park respectable whatsoever? If this was my home park, I'd be irritated that they mailed it in with this ride
@@Themeparkfan630 oh i completely agree with you, enthusiasts are the worst. they complain to no end about TT2 being "nerfed", yet give Lightning Rod a total pass for taking out the best element in the ride with the launched lift hill. they're total hypocrites. that said, i dont blame them for disliking this ride. Dorney needed a much more complete addition to be taken seriously and pair with Steel Force, and it doesnt look like that will be coming any time soon
@@marcusmcgraw3519 they just wanted something to replace stinger that's all.
Dude chill, sure this ride may not be the smoothest or longest, but not everything has to be pitch perfect for it to still be a fun ride. Imo this was a nice small addition for a new coaster.
Boring