Opie & Anthony: Anthony and Jimmy Debate the Trayvon Martin Shooting (04/15/13)
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- After Jamie Foxx decided to wear a t-shirt with Trayvon Martin's face on it at the MTV awards, Anthony and Jimmy get into an hour long debate about the shooting and the possible outcomes for the upcoming trial. If you love debates, you'll love this!
I am looking forward to your comments carrying on their debate.
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Jimmy doesn’t know that flashing your gun is potentially a crime
You're right. It's Brandishing. That's a felony.
It's not potentially a crime, it's a crime.
@Sean Forbes
Correct. Not sure why I wrote “potentially”.
@@pgee4342 you must have been distracted by Norton's despicable pontificating on something he knows nothing about
Flashing a gun and not using it is an even dumber thing to do.
I love the "shoot him in leg" argument. Only spoken by someone who has never been attacked or shot a gun.
That argument is so ridiculous. You can just as easily kill someone, if not more easily, if you hit the femoral artery.
Another media anti-gun talking point. Anyone that knows how ballistics works knows how dumb that is. The only way I would agree with “shoot him in the leg” is if the heart or brain was located on your kneecap.
Why is that not a valid argument tho? Why must one only shoot to kill?
@@esotericksoul7156 try hitting a moving target in the leg, when they are charging at you. When it comes to you vs someone trying to take your life, you have to stop that person. Shooting at legs doesn't stop a threat.
@@esotericksoul7156 It's only in the movies when you shoot the leg, or shoot tires out of a moving car. Experience has proven that when seconds count, you don't shoot to "stop". You absolutely shoot to kill. That's the hard reality.
Jimmy was really talking out of his ass.
Jimmy was enraging. He kept looping back to "Zimmerman = dumb." He thinks Zimmerman should've started firing as soon as Trayvon stepped towards him.
LOL. Ant: "Zimmerman was walking back to his car." Totally made up, baseless nonsense, right out of the gate.
Jimmy is actually a liberal who didn’t want to stand out in a political incorrect show no matter how many times he said “I’m not a liberal”
yup
This is not an hour long debate. This is a three minute debate on loop.
Anthony was correct. Jimmys point of view was reliant on too many logic fallacies.
Right. The darky with a history of probably attacking unarmed people thought this guy was just another chump
Take a shot every time Jimmy calls Zimmerman a "dummy."
fuck up racist
Zimmerman wasn't a cop, and was told not to follow him. Jimmy is right.
So was Ant's when every time Jim made a point, Anthony described how the media portrayed Trayvon.
lol, Ant just keeps explaining to Jimmy why he's wrong, and Jimmy just keeps repeating the same emotional nonsense.
In 2009, Roderick Scott walked out the front door of his NY home after hearing noises at 3am. There had been reports of vehicle theft in the area and he found himself facing a group of 3 suspicious teenagers. Scott, carrying his .40 caliber handgun, confronted the group and told them to wait for police to arrive. It was then, when 17 year old Christopher Cervini began charging forward to attack Scott when Scott fired 2 shots, killing the teen instantly. Scott was later acquitted of manslaughter charges when a jury found that he acted in self-defense. This is in spite of the fact that NY has no stand-your-ground law and Scott was never physically harmed. This case is an almost carbon copy of the Zimmerman case with one glaring detail, *Scott was black and the dead teen was white.*
I will say that only two people know what happened between Trayvon and Zimmerman. One is Trayvon, he's dead. One is Zimmerman, who, I think didn't testify. We don't know what happened. And I'm not ready to hang Zimmerman. If I was on the jury I'd hesitate and then acquit Zimmerman. But I think Zimmerman got overly involved in the situation, and I think that was Jimmy's point.
@@jackmunch6978 I disagree, I don't think Zimmerman got overly involved with the situation. At first I was on the side of Trayvon, but it wasn't until the real evidence came out, not the doctored phone call and everything else in the media, that I changed my position. While it's true that they're the only 2 people to fully know what happened, there was one very credible witness who saw the entire altercation. Granted he didn't see the events leading up to it, but he definitely had a good view of the fight and shooting. However I think with a little deductive reasoning we can assume what most likely transpired.
The area clearly had a problem with break-ins, and one had just recently occurred that week. Zimmerman, who was driving to the store, saw a shadowy figure walking in the rain through the backyard next to the house that had just been broken into. Assuming this to be another break in, he stops his vehicle, calls 911, and exits on foot. Martin on the other hand is on the phone with his girlfriend, who testified in court that he said a "creepy ass cracker" is on the phone looking at him. Correctly surmising that he's likely calling the cops, Martin ends the call and takes off running. Zimmerman then starts to follow him at which time the 911 dispatcher says "we don't need you to do that" and so he stops following and goes back to his vehicle. It's at this time that Martin calls his girlfriend back. We don't know what is said during this call as she "doesn't remember", but soon after the altercation will begin. Zimmerman tells the 911 dispatcher that someone is approaching him with his hand down his pants like he has a gun. Both calls end and the fight is on.
I think Martin's girlfriend egged him on to go back and confront Zimmerman. He was already running away at that point, why would he turn around and go back to the person he thought was calling the cops on him? That seems awfully stupid if you ask me, unless of course you have a girl in your ear berating you for being a coward. So he approaches Zimmerman with his hand down his pants acting like he has a gun. We don't know what happened in those few seconds between then and Zimmerman on his back, but suffice to say Martin got the upper hand. With his head being bashed into the pavement by someone he thinks has a gun, Zimmerman pulls out his own gun and shoots Martin in the chest.
@@mosipdI think his girlfriend egged him on" you might be right about that, she was certainly nasty in the trial and she didn't go to the funeral. Maybe felt guilty. But that wasn't his girlfriend though.
But I think the break-ins is accurate, something like over 200 calls to 911 to that neighborhood in one year.
@@w12ath040211 Girlfriend or not, I think it's obvious that she was egging him on. She could remember the entire conversation she had on the first call but then conveniently forgets what was said during the second call, which was the pivotal moment of the night. Martin takes off running because he obviously saw Zimmerman looking at him with suspicion while talking to someone on the phone. Common sense tells you he's probably calling the cops, else why would you take off running? And then there's the fact that Martin goes back to confront Zimmerman. Why would you go back after getting scared and running away? Because the girl you're on the phone with is telling you to go back and beat the shit out of the creepy ass cracker calling the cops on you. I mean you're not doing anything wrong, you're just walking home, so what's the problem?
Well the problem is that Martin felt justified to go back and confront Zimmerman. To make a show of force in front of the creepy ass cracker, Martin sticks his hand down his pants pretending like he has a gun. The two then get into a fight, and Zimmerman now finds himself on the ground with a person he thinks has a gun straddling him while bashing his head into the pavement. So fearing for his life Zimmerman draws his gun and kills Martin, stopping the threat. This is an open and shut case in my opinion. You can call Zimmerman weak, you can say he purposefully didn't fight back, and you can even say maybe he started it, whatever, all of that is immaterial. Once Martin gains the upper hand and escalates the situation to lethal levels, that's when lethal force is justified.
Hilarious. What is this bizarro world?
Nothing Jim Norton said in this hour actually matters.
he actually changed my mind
@@bleekrisp weak mind then
@@jayrizzle9226 stupid one at the least
@@bleekrisp With what? His brilliant reasoning of calling Zimmerman a "dummy" 40 times??
He's talking about trayvon like he's a robot that can activate and attack at any time.
Yea so when you're being followd by someone (who might be armed) its always a good idea to sneak attack them rather than get away from the person. Come one people use your common sense
Jimmy's argruement sums up to: Zimmerman should have known he was dealing with a wild animal and never got out of the car, and once he did he deserves what he got, especially because he got attacked from behind.
Think about it, Jimmy's argruement only makes sense if you are dealing with a wild bear. Civilized people don't and never should have to watch thier backs around eachother. How can he blame Zimmerman for getting caught off guard and still say Trayvon is not a criminal? Again, his logic only works if you replace Trayvon with a wild animal.
Now say this from trayvon's perspective.
Jimmy probably thinks Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist murderer as well. I don't get Jimmy's argument here.
@@shinybeast8946 he is
@@IAmAlmightyGod The jury didn't think so. LOL
It was Anthony fault the show ended. Not
You guys are RAD Racist and Dumb.
Each time I start writing a comment pointing out Norton's insane logic, he says something that tops the last idiotic point he made. I wouldn't even know where to begin pointing out how wrong Jimmy is in every way possible.
"Nobody would approach you with a gun pointed at them." Don't assume the rest of the world is as cowardly as you, Jim.
Wow. What a big bad impressive tough guy you are... and total liar, of course.
Jimmy is talking as if this was some choregraphed play lmao. Things happen in real time you can't do all this perfect ideal stuff.
Dumb ass thought he'd blindside some citizen for the fun of it, and got himself killed. That was private property Travon was prowling around on, he didn't have any legitimate reason to be there. Then when Zim was messing up his plans for stealing some stuff Travon decided to mess him up, Zim had every right to defend himself. You don't have to let a animal beat on you.
douglas787 how is it neighborhood private property ? Explain. If its a private neighborhood it would've had a gate around it. Also its not against to law to go down a street you don't live on. If thats the case everyone would be arrested for not living where they're travling through.
I don't think there's a single true sentence in that comment. Congratulations!
Take it easy racist fuck.. Take it easy. Youre not bright enough to comprehend a case like that
I'm glad that Jim changed his mind as the trial went on. His views right now showcase what happens when you listen to the news and believe everything they say without any research.
You know when Anthony is cursing, that he is extremely serious, confident, and generally well informed on subject matter at hand.
He wasn't here. Right out of the gate he repeats made up nonsense about Zimmerman walking back to his car. ZERO evidence of that.
I love both these guys, but I couldn't disagree more with Jimmy or agree more with Ant on this one, because Jimmy's logic seems to come from a place of ignorance in regards to both common sense and the law, while Ant's reasoning is based solely on those two things. One of Jimmy's main arguments here is that Zimmerman was at fault for the incident escalating to physicality because he had a gun, and according to Jimmy, anyone who is armed should never find themselves getting their asses kicked when they could have just showed their attacker that they have a gun before the fight even started. Here's why that's wrong: imagine you were a concealed weapons holder, and one day, you found yourself in a situation where you suspected another person might try to fight you, so you showed that person you had a gun and convince him/her that starting a fight is a bad idea. Yes, that would eliminate the possibility of a fight, but then that person could call the police on you, at which point you would be charged with brandishing a deadly weapon, which is a first degree misdemeanor.
His other main point, that it was Zimmerman's fault Treyvon attacked him because he shouldn't have been following him in the first place, is also completely incorrect, because it ignores the fact that they were both in a public place, and that Treyvon had as much of a right to walk around the neighborhood as Zimmerman had to follow him. You are never entitled to privacy in a public place, and, no matter how much you may want to be left alone, no one is required to give you any privacy. In a public place, you can follow someone as much as you want and still be well within your rights. You could walk 2 feet behind someone while goosestepping and making fun of their weight, and you wouldn't be infringing on their rights or breaking any laws. If they would like you to give them some privacy, they can try to convince you to go away, or they could escape to a private place, or if they were worried you might try to harm them or otherwise infringe on their rights in the future, they could call 911. But no matter how much they want to be left the fuck alone, physical assault is never justified.
No matter how his actions may have been interpreted, Zimmerman never did anything wrong when he chose to follow Treyvon, just as he was not at fault for being unprepared for a physical altercation. I'll never understand how someone could find themselves in a perfectly legal, non-confrontational situation with another person like Trayvon did with Zimmerman, and find an abrupt jump to violence like that to be a perfectly reasonable reaction.
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"Hello, exactly!". Well said, guy from 6 years ago.
Ant's reasoning is based solely on loving guns and hating black people. You are either wildly naive about him, or are deliberately ignoring plan reality.
Jimmy should've repeated the same point a few more times. 875 wasn't enough
"Zimmerman was DUMB." Like Okay he doesn't deserve to get beat to death for that
He pays women dookie to on his chest.
Jimmy's take is shockingly bad
It’s really not.
Jimmy is clueless
Regardless of who you agree with, this conversation is a million times better than any discussion you see on the news with people yelling over each other
"burglary clothes" people can't wear hoodies out in the rain now?
U can tell Jimmy has zero experience with firearms
Listening to Jim argue is so infuriating. How he pitter patters around his main argument without just driving the nail in pisses me off...
yes exactly.
Why didn't Treyvon just respond to George with kindness and explain what he was doing? I bet he'd be alive today if he had not responded violently.
They’re always going to get skittles and sprite. That doesn’t mean he’s innocent.
It’s funny, the Media only picked this case to spotlight because they assumed Zimmerman was a white guy.
The segue from Jamie Foxx to Trayvon is startlingly fast
How hilarious is it that the whole "getting beaten up by an unarmed stranger who doesn't realise you're carrying" thing happened to Ant with a streetwalker and led to his firing?
Then Jimmy gives him kudos for not going full Zimmerman and admitting he wouldn't have had the same restraint.
Feels like time travelling how we get to chuckle at the irony of an otherwise insignificant political conversation.
But like jimmy’s point if Ant has let it be known he was packing that whole situation would’ve turned out differently
hahahah. It just got way funnier that Jimmy said to Ant, "I don't see you getting caught in a situation where a guy doesn't know you have a gun on a dark street and starts hitting you". Well, he was right about the "guy" part.
Love Jimmy having an argument that isn't the discussion... yes Jim... cops are better trained than normal people. The first time he said it an Anthony agreed. He didn't need to keep going for 15 mins.
Jimmy's arguments were really weak. Everytime he referenced Zimmerman, he had to call him a wannabe cop or a dummy. Which indicates his arguments are emotional rather than rational.
Having a gun doesn't make you omnipotent. Zimmerman got jumped by a violent person. He only had fractions of a second to react. It doesn't make him a dummy.
I don’t think Jimmy was qualified to follow that stolen bus
I'm surprised Ant didn't mention that George Zimmerman WAS correct in his assessment of what kind of person that he was alarmed by. No he wasn't a house thief, but he WAS the type of person to assault someone for nothing. Being followed? Gosh, thank God Trayvon didn't live in a metropolis... people are behind you all the time.
"show him his gun" you don't just brandish a gun unless you're life is threatened and if it is, then you're shooting, you never just show it.
Zimmerman made the mistake of thinking black people are like black bears when they are really more like grizzly bears or polar bears. Act accordingly.
Jim talks himself into a corner like 5 times
Ant is about 97% wrong, Jimmy is 97% right.
You are 100% wrong
@@t206kid Ummmmmmm... nope.
@@slyjokerg you still crying over tryvon?
@@t206kid Odd that you would think someone was "still" crying over X when the person was never crying over X. That doesn't make sense on its face. It is like asking someone if they are still in Paris when they have never been to Paris.
Ironic how Jimmy tells Ant that he couldn't see him being caught in a situation like that, but a year later, Anthony "followed" a black chick, who then ran up on him and assaulted him and never did he even hint that he had a gun. I know it's MUCH different than TM and GZ, but it kinda goes to show that you just dont go to the gun in fear of something escalating, you go when in fear for life. I love Jimmy, but it's embarrassing how wrong he.
Who wouldn’t love to see the whole thing made into a movie with Trayvon played by Kevin Hart and Zimmerman played by Carlos Mencia?
Opie was playing Candy Crush for the first 30 minutes.
It's illegal to brandish...
Jimmy blaming the victim is sad. I like Jimmy, but his take here is terrible.
Where is the Bob Kelly rap from? it's amazing
Good news: ya cant flim flam the zim zam
Trayvon did not have to go home. He could have walk around that neighborhood 20 times if he wanted to. He has the right to walk around with being harass. I have been follow before going home, it is one of the most scariest things ever. And my first notion is to not let this guy know where I live! THAT WAS NUMBER 1!!
Lol
true. but Trayvon shouldn't also have immediately jumped to violence too. you never know who is crazy out there, and people on the receiving end of your "justified" beating never know if you aren't going to try to murder them by stomping their head.
ID say number one priority Is not to be attacked or robbed eh?
you better be ready to listen to jimmy's argument
...and every time i hear him say "these assholes they always get away" i just feel in my gut that he was prepared to do something foolish but thats just me
9:04 THIS is the main problem with Anthony. He's a racist and he can't even empathize with someone who was being stalked and killed. Glad his career is over.
Stalked and killed lol. Ant may be a racist but Trayvon is hardly an angel.
@@w12ath040211 was Trayvon not stalked?
@@pffilms2522 call it what you want. You don't get to assault someone because they are following you.
@@w12ath040211 so you're justifying the murder of someone who was defending themselves against a crazed, racist stalker? You need to go outside and touch the grass. You're not in touch with reality.
@@pffilms2522 Trayvon punched zimmerman, zimmerman shot Trayvon, in that order. What's confusing about that? I'm not justifying it btw, it is just objectively. The natural right to defend yourself against an attacker is not morally ambiguous.
Zimmerman might have over reacted but he was legally sound. Martin escalated the situation and paid the price. The entire thing became a gun debate too which pisses me off.
this is the best discussion i have heard on the topic.
Incredibly topical, current situation.. very polarizing.. everyone had an opinion.. Opie was silent the entire time. He added literally nothing to this show on a daily basis.
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Wow. Jimmy said he should have drawn his gun immediately more or less. The fact he didn’t shows that he was in the right. You know a great way to show you’re not a threat? To call the cops yourself or to say politely to the guy “hey man is everything okay? Why are you following me?” Not to beat his ass
Right, brandishing a weapon is a crime. Jimmys advice is to commit a crime lol
I know right.
I love Ant's comedy, but his inability to accept at least some of Jimmy's argument is crazy. There are only two people that know what happened that night, and one of them is dead and can't tell their side of the story, so any opinion, speculation, scenario, or theory from an outside party is going to be littered with that person's bias. What I think happened that night...a battle of egos gone terribly wrong. Both people wanted to be a hero(in their own right)...Zimmerman wanted to catch a criminal, and Martin wasn't going to be punked by some white guy. We were/are teenagers at some point, and are influenced by coolness and peer pressure...and when we look back, we realize how goofy we were trying to earn stripes for some dumb reason. Everyone is a genius when looking back at a mistake and thinking "damn I could have done this instead of that".
Lukey J I can't disagree with you Lukey. You made some excellent points.
you can also tell the tone difference. Jimmy is talking in a nuanced, neutral tone to a guy who he spends 5 days a week hanging out. Anthony instantly goes high decibel, emotional.
13:53 - Jimmy: “he’s not in the wrong for having a gun, or for profiling…he’s in the wrong because he got attacked” blaming the victim.
everyone was wrong in the situation. zimmerman for following and playing "cop" and trayvon for being black. i'm ova here saying waddaya want from me
10:39
Oh how the turn tables. Lol stupid Ant
“Yes, that could happen”
Zimmerman should have fired two warning shots in the air to let the other guy know he's serious!
I wonder how norton would react in a similar situation he seems to think of himself as an expert on the subject.
Norton wouldn’t be stalking a 17 year old lid
"Gun Balls"
Fast forward a year later, knowing Ant was armed and his confrontation in Times Square, and the fact that he didn't show his gun like Jimmy says GZ should have, shows Ant was absolutely correct, and why Jimmy should never own a gun.
Now... I wish Ant wouldn't have gone on Twitter.... but still.
Lol burglary equipment is a white hoody and some dress pants?
@J V dont get it
If you can't disable a knee, you shouldn't be walking around strapped
Right... Treyvon certainly played no role in his own demise. Not saying Zimmerman isn't guilty of anything, but evidence does appear to show that Treyvon attacked Zimmerman first, out of nowhere.
The evidence 100% showed that Zimmerman deliberately followed around a total stranger in the dark after being told by the police to NOT follow him, and ended up shooting and killing an unarmed person who had been doing nothing wrong.
I don't even get what Jimmy's argument is here lol
There's a giant hole in this story. I would like to know what happened before the altercation. I know if someone is following me, I'm turning my defenses up 100%, I don't know if he is going to assault me or not, but I'm running full speed away from that person.
anybody with a hoodie and non-white is shady
You know Anthony wanted to call Jimmy a fucking moron a dozen times during this argument
Trust me you can't change the mind of someone whose trying hard not to get cancelled!
norton wrong on all points
Jimmy, I love you to death, you are amazing (And I know jimmy will NEVER see this) But if you pull your gun, and show it, it's called Brandishing, and is a crime.
If you’re not a cop and you see a suspected crime, you call the police and detail where and what you saw then walk in the opposite direction. Plain and simple. “Neighborhood watch” means literally that.
Jimmy is smashing Ant.
Listening to Jimi talk about how George Zimmerman should have handled himself with a pistol is aggravating. This is obviously a New York dude who's never carried a gun or handled one does not understand the law you can't just brandish it at somebody he wouldn't have his hand on the gun it was concealed in the first place is not wearing it on his hip like a cop. Weather Zimmerman should have been in that situation in the first place is a whole nother story
does a neighborhood watch guy have ANY authority at all? I mean, what did he think he could actually do?
Precisely, security at Walmart or any other store aren't packing. They are trained to physically restrain, if possible, without being harmed until police arrive.
watch his neighborhood without getting pummeled.
@ahiai barnes You're right. He should've been locked up for not being guilty of the crime he was charged with.
Meanwhile one of your kind would've no doubt gunned Trayvon down eventually or he would've gunned down another black person and went to prison. In which case, you would've never heard of his name or give two fucks about him.
BLACK LIVES MATTER...(only when they are taken by a non-black person)
Hypocrite.
For anyone here who is defending Jim's opinion....did any of you actually see the pictures of Zimmerman's head when he was brought into the police station?
Those pictures SCREAM "self-defense"....if those wounds had gotten any worse he could have easily died.
@danhagen How about not playing tough guy, acting like he is Martin Riggs, following a guy in the dark after being specifically told to NOT follow him? How about not needing "self defense" if he would have behaved as he should have and was told to?
Jesus Jim following someone with your hand on your gun? really?!?
Poor little Yimmy’s taint got stretched out from sitting on the fence.
Awesome description.
Jimmy never sounded crazier
It's 2024 and Jimmy still wears a Covid mask.
zimmerman is a murderer. the dispatch told him NOT to follow trayvon
everything Anthony says is on point, and Jimmy showcases his ignorance
i know thing cracks me up is when they mention ice tea n skittles like food choice has anything too do with behavier lol..... what if he had a cheeseburger and fries think that woulda made him more menacing lol
How was Treyvon even to know he was a neighborhood watch?
@Leafs Laugh Last That's the dumbest thing you even thought of
Daniel Vandre how is that relevant? Don’t hit people and maybe you won’t get shot.
Jimmy is a conditioned goof.
Jimmy has no idea how wrong he would eventually be at 12:55
That Bobby Kelly rap lol
Jimmy couldn't be more wrong
Anthony criticizes Jimmy for as he puts it "getting his news from the news", where does Ant get his information? No one knows what happened, why is Ant so sure he knows exactly how it happened?
Jimmy is going off of what he heard on the news plus what he feel like should of happened or might have happened.
Ant is going off of what he heard on the news plus what the laws are and what is legal vs illegal.
you can look into the information on the case. so in your mind the news is the only way you can learn about an event??
Jimmy is confused by this because hes a coward
It is hard to know if Ant is being driven here by Irrational "I want to shoot everyone" Gun Nut Anthony, or if it is Irrational Racist Anthony.
Opinions on this case aside... OnA is the greatest radio show EVER!
I wonder what opie thinks about this
These guys are THE TRUTH! I luv em.
Even though witnesses disprove George's account of the situation? The fight was on the grass, no head banging, no threat against his life. Just a threat against his pride.
How did he get the bruises and cuts on his head? Let me guess, he did it himself.
@Matthew Barry Haha, what's the strawman argument?
so you would have blind sided him? or do you not understand the difference between confronting someone face to face, and attacking them?
Great debate
this is so true. his ignorance is unbelievable.
Based on what we knew GZ shouldn't have been convicted, but I think it is very reasonable to think that the situation was escalated by Zimmerman.
What Jimmy said in his hypothetical of TM turning and saying "Why the fuck are you following me?", or "Quit fucking following me" and GZ grabbed him, or told him he wasn't going anywhere, then TM started to pound on him at that point makes way more fucking sense than saying he blindsided him.
I think most people would have been on guard if any asshole was following them around. GZ clearly was on a mission to make sure that TM didn't get away. GZ was a fucking dope no matter him not being convicted.
The law argument doesn't bother me at all. Making it a race issue, or any of that nonsense is pointless. GZ stalked the dude, TM probably confronted him, and GZ did something that made TM think the guy was a creep, or was a threat to him. TM was beating his ass and GZ shot him.
I find it extremely hard to buy that TM basically turned the tables on him and turned to start following him as if GZ had "given up" on his pursuit. Even if he did blindside him, if GZ never said why he was following him that is the perfect time to get a guy you think may be a threat to you away. Should TM have just run? Probably, but we really don't know how persistent GZ was in pursuing him.
GZ was clearly a fuckign dolt that thought he was a hero, and fucked up. It's sad that it had to come to him killing the kid and that stupidity isn't a crime of some sort, but based on getting his side of the story and the spattering of witnesses he wasn't guilty of MURDER. He was guilty of being a stupid fuck with a hero complex and his stupidity resulted in everything. I'm sure he has to deal with being thought of a a murderer now b y many so there are consequences for his stupidity.