WOW! WE LOVE that you guys are so passionate about this. :D Here's an additional note. I left this partially as a comment to another watcher who removed her comment. As for Valka feeling Hiccup would be safer where the Vikings are still fighting dragons and people are supposedly dying... it seemed a bit silly and maybe just not adequate in terms of writing for the character. I understand her reasons for initially staying away, but then after she became quite resourceful and a master dragon trainer, she could have formulated a way of ascertaining whether or not Hiccup was even still alive. Mind you... she was gone.... for 20 years. Not 5 or 10. Twenty. On top of that... the ONLY excuse she gives is.... "I believe you'd be safer if I stayed away." That wasn't an ample enough answer. Not for a young boy who'd gone on his whole life thinking his mom was dead. And mind you … Isn't it weird that she didn't think ONCE that people would go on propagating the hate of dragons because they all believed she was killed BY dragons? Wouldn't it have been a very convincing argument if she flew back to Berk with a bunch of dragons and a top their backs? Also, we don't go out of our way to ruin movies. Have you not seen our other videos? :) We love to THINK and THEORIZE. Al-teori- All theories. That is what our channel is about, so if you are easily offended or only interested in the good side of things, this channel might not be for you, because we will offend sometimes with things we point out. We will make content to stir up different perspectives. We LOVE HTTYD and we love hearing from all of you. We don't have to agree on everything but that is the point. For us to think from different perspectives and to have our own identities. There is no need to be emotionally distraught in thinking we're set out to "destroy" anything. Needless to say, thank you so much for contributing. We enjoy hearing all of your opinions and I personally am glad you're all so passionate about the film. :)
Kyuubi Well she is a fictional character. So it really just depends on how her creators write her. Alteori is just giving a perspective and opinion. So it's not wrong or right.
Alteori i think the only case that makes people in here think that you are attacking the character "Valka" in the movie, possibly because of lacking explanation. You create theory based on perspective and would only add a few on the supporting details. It's like you did your thesis but your related literature is not enough hahaha! Also, not everyone did watch the whole video and would actually want to watch your other videos. So, you gotta make this particular video an independent one you know. You lot kinda left the energy in saying that this was JUST a theory. I admit, after watching this video it didn't made me want to watch the others simply because of lacking the capacity to convince me. But again, "that's just me"..... You asked for their thoughts in your video, that means you be ready to take positive 'but more' negative with a bit of neutral in your comment section. XD Good luck!
Alteori I can't believe you're just useing how to train your dragon for money that's the only reason for making a video on it also your sick for making two videos about indoraptor and blue haveing sex and a video with a dumnail of night fury and light fury fighting and you see light fury breasts fuck you
Michael Hunting as many villagers have missing limbs, such a thing is normal to them. She certainly wouldn't have liked it, bit wouldn't have e been surprised
A missing limb is normal for Vikings, but dragons come from trappers usually. She was probably curious. And she probably didn't want to ask THAT question so soon. Or ask him at all. Maybe she thought he'd be sensitive to it since he's different. I dunno.
She didn't want to watch Hiccup grow up to become a dragon killer. Plus Hiccup is a human and she probably didn't want him to grow up in a dragon's habitat. I mean, I feel like taking him away from his natural environment would be more messed up.
I'm sure it's not an easy decision any way you look at it. I see the point of the one who said Hiccup is human and she wouldn't want him to grow up with dragons. Yes, dragons are good. She knew that. But she also knew that when she decided to stay with the dragons, she was removing herself from human society. Now, she is free to decide that for herself, but is it really in her hands to make that same decision for her son?
@Elizabeth Bennet vikings actually weren't that violent, when they went to new places they only killed those who fought, the people who lived there and didn't fight were spared and usually got to continue life as normal. Their journeys often were to settle into new places.
@@malemasemase-9726 yes because people never make stories they've heard more dramatic to make people more likely to listen.... They weren't real vikings then because raping a woman was one of the vilest crimes for vikings, because women were considered magic and because math was considered magic thus women were the heads of the household. So making women into prizes is very much against what most Vikings believed
while there is no doubt that atrocities could be exaggerated but claiming vikings avoided raping or weren't "real vikings" not a solid argument. especially when a lot comes from their own sagas, .like the story about the Viking who was made fun of for not killing children. the word Viking itself meant they were raiding and I doubt they have held the same view about their own women on those they conquered . Vikings acted no differently then any other conquers from any culture, why because that's just the way things where back then.
I thought she stayed away because she wanted to protect the dragons. If she tried to go back on a dragon she would probably get shot down. Just a thought
Enderlight 49 one thing, also she may have been forced to stay at berk(the same thing happened to hiccup,when toothless was found) while cloudjumper was forced to lead the berkians to the bewilderbeast nest, with most likely mass destruction and death and calamity
thats what she wants She want both sides to not meet because if they do meet theyll just clash with each other again and if she didnt come with cloudjumper and killed cloudjumper then that would just trigger the pack of dragons that cloud jumper came with and wouldve been more aggressive
The Nintenbro Yes. Originally, when Drago's army attacked, the gang showed up at the same time and Valka assumed that Hiccup and Stoick were part of the dragon army. Then she chose dragons over her family and, yeah. It's a deleted scene that you could find somewhere in RUclips
You have to take into account that Valka may have felt that if she couldn't bring herself to kill one thing like a dragon even if they actually were nice and peaceful what other real actual dangers would she hesitate to protect her husband and child from. Parents often over worry about their children and panic themselves into making wrong decisions
Also we also have to remember the fact that Drogo from the same movie had been hunting dragons even before the the events in the first movie so she might have felt that her family would be safer for her to go about rescuing dragons allowing Berk to learn the truth about dragons on there own even though she doubted her husband would come around to the idea of peaceful dragons but she felt if she left and continued her friendship with dragons elsewhere to lead drogo away from berk maybe that is what she meant
I have personally considered this, but she could have told Stoic she couldn't kill a dragon as to not expect her to. Simple. Believe, true love for your child would trump every excuse you could give. When we see her, she only appears when she wants to be seen and she is having a jolly old good time. Drago did not find her and she knows to fly above the clouds to not be located. She was resourceful enough that she could have made it back to Berk to check up on her family and leave without a trace.
Also since you made such a good point about her knowing to fly above the clouds to avoid being seen how do you know she didn't go back to check up on Hiccup as he was growing up but simply stayed out of sight you know she could see him and he just could see her. through out history there are tales of parents who feared for their children's lives for one reason or another who would leave their children in the care of other members of their family to be raised but would visit at very late hours and only for maybe about one to two minutes before leaving again so that the people who they were protecting their family from would not have enough time to track them down so she might have peeked in on her son off and on through out his life but stayed just far enough away that she couldn't be seen by either her son or her husband
Well to be fair had she come back talking "Dragons are good" she would have likely been shuned and by proxy her family (especially hiccup).would get treated badly .
@@stoirmslw7195 well were talking Viking days . If she went home saying dragons (wild beast that had been killing people for years )were kind she would be looked at as a nuttjob and she'd be luck to avoid execution .
They would've thought that she must have been dropped by the dragon and hit her head... No one listened to her before, no one would listen to her after. We saw just how much it took from Hiccup to convince people "hey dragons aren't bad". Think how Valka must have thought her attempt to stop the dragon war would have gone. Valka, who had more life experience, who had seen these people more, who knew these people better and had already become more cynical than what Hiccup was, how would she think there'd be any chance for her to change people's minds? She had tried, and she had failed already.
Picasso Marble no I completely understand where you’re coming from my question was directed at Vanessa Dunson who simply said “no” and I was asking why “no”?
RETYPED this comment bc I didn't present my arguments well: While I see your points, Alteori, I have to disagree. Valka was a justified character. (Long comment warning) - My first point is that she was trapped there, regardless of whether she wanted to return or not. She was stolen away by Cloudjumper. Not with ill-intent from the dragon, but she didn't choose to leave. She likely could not have returned without someone being put into danger. If she came in on the back of a dragon, that dragon would likely be shot down; putting aside the likelihood being injured or killed by the fall, the dragon mount would be attacked in melee too once it crashed; this would put the dragon at risk of being killed, as well as putting the Berkians (including Stoick, Hiccup if he were grown by then, and any friends she had while she lived there) at risk of injury or death when the dragon would inevitably try to fight or flee the conflict. Dragonback was the only way Valka could have returned. The only other way I could think of would be by boat, and if she came with a decently large boat it would likely also be attacked, as Berk gets raided a lot in the shows and it'd be reasonable of them to assume a large stranger ship approaching had ill will. If she came on a small, non-imposing vessel, it likely wouldn't be able to survive the harshness of the ocean's waves and storms. - My second point is that she likely would have, reasonably, preferred her life with the dragons. Consider the brief snippet of a flashback and Valka's narration as she talks about her old life on Berk. She clearly was miserable and unappreciated there, much like Hiccup was at the beginning of the first film. Noone agreed with her or listened to her, and the creatures she wanted so badly to give a chance were constantly being mindlessly slaughtered. It was not a good life. On the contrary, the dragons accepted her, even as their leader and tamer. She was with the creatures she loved, and was able to rescue dragons she would be totally helpless to save otherwise. A much better, more fulfilling life than the one she had lived back on Berk. She also likely didn't want to watch her innocent baby grow up to be a dragon killer. - My third (and main) point is that she had reason to believe her hypothetical return would be pointless at best, and seriously harmful at worst. She found that her attempts to keep peace put her fellow Berkians (and their structures & island) at risk, and may have come to the conclusion that returning would make it more dangerous for everyone, including her beloved Stoick and Hiccup. This is her most direct spoken reason in the movie: "It broke my heart to stay away, but I felt you'd be safer for it." "You and your father nearly died that night, all because I couldn't kill a dragon." Not only would she be a potential danger, but her influence could mess with Hiccup's ideals; it was clear the important thing in Berkian society was killing dragons, and if she interfered with her son's desires he could become an outcast like she was; she believed he'd have a better life without her being there to influence him. And lastly, over her life on berk she developed the belief that people can't be changed. If she returned, she likely would have suspected no difference; people still wouldn't listen to her. - Some other bits. If she were to return with the intent to leave again and take Hiccup with her, that'd be ripping him from everyone he grew up with; his father, his potential half-siblings (she had no way of knowing that Stoick hadn't remarried since she was taken away), his friends, his mentor, etc. It'd be a pretty cruel thing to do to a child. She expected Stoick to be furious with her for staying away (as is proven by her dialogue when Stoick finds her), and thought it would be better that she would be perceived as dead rather than a traitor to her family and Berk as a whole.
Well i mean, she couldn't have. Like I said returning to Berk would have been very dangerous. Unless you mean some other way? Also, thanks for the heart :3
Alteori Well maybe there's a possibility that she did try to send scouts but because of REASONS they weren't able to come back like Getting shot down, Eaten by possible predators, or maybe the Red Death thing but not sure with that, but Vikings were at sea in the Red Death thing so maybe once again some scouts got shot down but it still won't make sense when the dragons became allies with the vikings. Or Sir Draco was trying to attack the sanctuary which would make sense
As a mother myself and a crazy dragon lover since childhood I just gotta say that everyone has their reasons for doing stuff but there is NO force on this earth that would ever make me leave my son. If we had to though it out, we'd do it together. ❤
As a mother i can understsnd why she didn't Bring Hiccup to her. IT IS a isolated Life she choose and for a growing child that must be hell. Humans are social and need other Humans. She also have big trust in Stoick for rising Hiccup by his own. And she didn't leave because she hatte Berk and the Hooligans. In the third Movie it ist clear, she enjoys human company. But she decided for her own to Life with the dragons and make huge abstention. That is a choice she couldn't imposition to her child.
"It broke my heart to stay away, but I felt you'd be safer for it."" "You and your father nearly died that night, all because I couldn't kill a dragon." She was worried that, the next time the dragons attacked Berk, if she ended up in that situation again, she'd be unable to actually protect Hiccup, too torn between sides. The same way Hiccup was ready to leave Berk to protect not only Toothless but his own sense of morality, Valka stayed away because she felt her judgment would be too clouded in those situations and only cause more trouble, or worse, cause her to hesitate when it really matters. Who's to say the next time, some other dragon, less intuitive than Cloudjumper was in that moment, would've found baby Hiccup and decided he'd make a good offering for the Red Death? She really was trying hard to protect him, and the entire village, because she felt like she'd changed sides in a war, at least at heart, and her inability to be 100% loyal to her family because of it would've put them all in danger.
I understand where she's coming from but it wasn't enough. She could have been honest and told Stoic, "let's make a more fortified bed for Hiccup, and don't expect me to kill a dragon because I cannot." Staying away and living it up without even trying to ascertain their life status just seems like a cop out.
Alteori I don't want to butt in or be hateful towards anyone but have you met Stoic ? Don't you remember how he reacted when Hiccup tried to tell him that he can't kill dragons ? He was willing to hear his son out only after Toothless saved Hiccup (although he did apologise once Toothless and Hiccup were out of the water). Not even when Hookfang almost killed Hiccup and Toothless came to his rescue was he willing to listen to him. He actually disowned him (if that's the right word) because the dragon who saved his life almost killed the other villagers when, in fact, I see everyone ducking out of the way but that's unimportant right now. My point is, who says it couldn't have been Valka in Hiccup's shoes if she had stayed ? What makes you believe that Stoic would have actually listened to her if she told him "I don't want/ can't kill dragons" ?
ShaniaRubyBFF Msp The flashback of baby Hiccup shown in the second movie took place years before the first movie (15 to be exact). For all we know the Red Death probably ruled the dragons even back then.
I don't think she as had kids yet, not facd the problems of motherhood & trying to cope with ungrateful children.maybe knowing that the tribe was killing all Dragons and that Stoic would proctect their son to his last breathe, she had the opportunity to save the lives of an endangered species, it all from some writers imagination, and his view on motherhood, so maybe the auditor should examine the writers history with mothers instead of mothing off about the story line and how it has affected her personally, any mother will tell you , all you can do is your best & hope it was good enough.
Thank you so much for your perspective! I've had other presumed mothers on here saying they would stay to do everything they can to make sure their son didn't become what Stoic wanted him to become and others saying they would leave so he wouldn't be bullied. Regardless of whether or not I am a mother, doesn't negate the fact that there are mothers out there that didn't have their kid's best interest at heart. Some left their kids because of the stress of being a mom was too much. Some weren't ready, and to be honest, some mothers, unfortunately, are just bad moms who would rather prostitute their children for money/drugs. I've seen them all. I don't think Valka didn't love Hiccup, and maybe her reasoning at the time was that he WOULD be safer, but the explanation the way she provided it was too vague.
Okay, I can get behind this theory, but I also need to somewhat defend Valka. Again, what she did, I don't think was right, but I also have to see through her eyes. Okay, so first let's go back to when Valka was back on Burk. In the short period, we see her there, and her opinion wasn't very popular. She probably felt like an outsider, even with Hiccup and Stoick, mostly Stoick being there for her. Humans will look to where they are most excepted. And being young, she yeared to be excepted by the village. Now let's look at when she was with Stoick. It's clear that when Hiccup was "in danger" she was ready to kill Cloud Jumper, but was taken aback that these creatures are smarter and kinder then what the Vikings had thought. And When Stoick had met her once more, Valka was ready to be yelled at by her husband, she knew she was in the wrong. And once they are eating, it's clear that the two of them were in love, even back when young. She clearly loves the both of them. Hiccup is another factor to take in. having a newborn baby surrounded by dragons, not even Valka knew were tameable and still learning about would be a bad idea. What if one of the dragons did hurt Hiccup as a growing boy? And humans are social creators. It was a good call to leave Hiccup with Humans instead of living with dragons. Also, what if Hiccup did turn out more like Stoick? Having a male/father figure around without a mother--it probably didn't cross Valka's mind that Hiccup would take after her. She was shocked to find out that he ended up like her. Now Stoick. Maybe at the time when the two were together, maybe Valka was winning her husband over to the idea of not all dragons are bad. And let's be honest, Viking women are just as headstrong and wild as their male counterparts. She even demanded Stoick to yell at her even when she was scared of what the love of her life would think/say of her leaving him and their child. Taking Astrid and Ruffnut as examples. They were ruffer then their male counterparts. But back to Stoick, let's say he was being persuaded into the idea of dragons, only for the idea to be shattered by his wife being taken away from him by his very eyes and "eaten". And maybe that's why he didn't want Hiccup fighting dragons. Stoick didn't want the same fate to fall upon his only son. Only to find out his son would be just like his wife. Now back to Valka and her being around dragons for, let's say the first year; she was still learning about the dragons and learning to fly probably took a long while. Longer then Hiccup because there was no need to learn how because no dragon needed her help to fly. And maybe the first year or months, she was only close to Cloud Jumper. He is her main dragon to ride as is there throughout the movie by her side. Let's also say she did want to come back as soon as she learned to fly on a dragon, one: Cloud Jumper may have been killed, and two: what if she was taken aback by other dragons being captured and she thought the lives of these beasts were more of a priority then her son who one, doesn't know who she is, and two: who is safe. And three: how would people react to her coming in and riding a dragon? Scared. And of course, she was hesitant to go back. Anyone would in giving up a life she knew so well. I do agree with this, somewhat, but I believe that some factors should have put into some more thought.
HAHA *slow clap* This is by far the best comment on this video I have seen to argue the side of Valka. You make a fair point with learning. Although, it seems as though she had mastered the dragons for quite some time (being able to stand in midflight on one and knowing their quirks and secrets). What we all discussed on our side is "even" if she herself couldn't go back (which would have been a great argument, for she could have had the dragons drop her off nearby and she come on boat or use a swimming species to tell the people of Berk what happened *prepared* to show them the dragons are friends), she is resourceful enough to have sent someone to see whether or not Hiccup was alive or dead. It seems she just gave up on her family in an "out-of-sight-out-of-mind" way. Granted, the culture was different in that setting, but even as a woman, she was strong, smart, and able enough to find a way to know her son was safe. Afterall, Berk was still under fierce attack even after she left. Hiccup would still be in danger after she left. Her leaving would not change his security, and if anything, would make it worse.
Alteori you don’t know how load I screamed when I say this, I was so excited. Thank you for looking at my post and yes I did think of that she could be dropped off, but those were just some factors that popped into my mind while watching this. I even watched the second movie after I posted this to see if I missed anything. I did. And I still agree that what she did was wrong and it could have been handled better
You're welcome and thank you for sharing your view. It's always fun seeing the different perspectives. I personally like Valka's characters and she'd make a fun person to hang out with.
See, there’s a big problem in the “I don’t want a child” point. Viking women had much more power in the society than today’s. They didn’t have to do anything they didn’t want to.
@@Alteori She was described as a very strong woman and stuff..I don’t think she was submissive. I think she genuinely wanted it all but after the incident where her family almost died she couldn’t be there to watch them kill themselves fighting dragons and didn’t want to be the reason anyone got hurt because she couldn’t fight them..she basically decided really late out of trauma that she didn’t want that life anymore
I'm glad someone addressed this; I've always had mixed feelings about Valka. I was never satisfied with her explanation for staying away. My first thought when she said that Cloudjumper probably thought she belonged in the Sanctuary was that it sounded unnervingly like Stockholm Syndrome. While I doubt that's a subject the HTTYD universe would ever delve into, it seemed worth mentioning. She seemed a bit...all over the place to me. Like she was aware that she was in the wrong and felt guilty but behaved a lot of the time like she thought her actions were justified. I also feel like she at some point became enamoured with the lifestyle and kept creating excuses to stay away until she came up with the one she gave Hiccup and latched onto it. It was hardly a good one, but I didn't get the impression that Valka is particularly rational. She's at her core a Viking, and Vikings don't like to accept the idea that they might be wrong (which was made obvious in HTTYD 1).
She's like those weird dog mums who care more about animals than humans. That moment when she pitied the disabled dragon but didn't even seem to notice her own son was missing a leg was heartbreaking to watch. At least for me.
Great theory about Valka, loved the video but I don’t believe she’s a liar, the reason she never return to berk not only to protect hiccup but she stated that berk wasn’t easy to make a change and that it was a land of kill or be killed and so she wasn’t happy about it. But that’s how I think but your reason about her isn’t far fetched either and I liked that too👍
tdtdft exactly, agree with you there too ,👍👍👍 what else do you all think if she was lying or why was she acting that way about hiccup? Or let me know your opinions I would love to hear them👍
Thank you for your feedback. So you believe that, in her mind, she thought Hiccup would be safer if she never returned because Berk wouldn't change? Why? Wouldn't Hiccup have been in danger more _because_ of that? Trust me, I've done some stupid things that, at the time, the reasoning seemed sound. However, for Valka, it seemed as though she just threw away the responsibility. There is also the possibility that she reasoned the dragon hunters would follow her. That would have been a better excuse. I would have loved to get a DVD extra of additonal dialogue of her giving Hiccup a more fleshed out explanation as to why she was away, because for me, that would not have been enough from my mom.
You forgot the scar She recognized Hiccup because of the scar on the lower jaw, not that he looks like his father, but a tiny scar that he had received as a baby and which (in reality) had been impossible to see, because scars become smaller when a baby/child grows up. By the way, one question: How does she know so much about Night Fury and that Toothless is the same age as Hiccup?
euhm.... no! this all got adressed in the scene where she saw stoic again 'what sign did i have that you could change stoic? that any one on berk could change?'... that debunks your entire 'she knows dragons are kind creaturs' argument
Aside from Drago hunting her after she saves Dragons from him? Or Grimmel from the next movie(seeing as he hunted "all the Nightfuries")? He was far safer with Stoic and an entire village full of Vikings. Add in that she likely thought he wouldn't develop properly with growing up with only seeing 1 other human being.
so it's better to raise your child in an ice cave while you have a war with drgon hunters then it is to raise him to become a chieftan in a village full of people he can trust?
Alteori I don’t think she could have come back for him.She would’ve been shot down by the berkians.She would have to use her bewilderbeast to freeze the entire village to take her child which isn’t a risk taking.
It is established she works with dragons that can change color and she could fly by the cover of night. I heard she was originally going to be the villain so I think she was just rewritten and never completely fixed.
What if she was under attack for a while, by not just Vikings, but drago or someone like him attacked her before she decided to stay and thought it would make him safer.
"It'd be better is she said there were dangerous people after her", you mean like the people we see in the movie hunting dragons that she has come into conflict with.
I felt so bad for hiccup in this movie, he finds his mother who he though was dead for his whole life only to discover that she was alive and well. on top of that he knows that with the help of a dragon she could go back to berk anytime she wanted but chose to stay away because she "thought he would be safer" when she has thousands of dragons protecting her so if she really wanted both her son and husband to be safe she would try to convince Stoick to allow the dragons to help defend berk sense he can't abandon the island do to having the responsibility of being the chief.
Yeah I didn’t really like her in the movie because she seemed like one of those parents that don’t come around until their child had money and was successful
"I believed you'd be safer if I did." In the first few minutes of "How to Train Your Dragon", Hiccup is running through a flaming village with dragons attacking everyone and is nearly burned alive by a Monstrous Nightmare. He nearly died in the first fifteen minutes of the film. How would Hiccup have been safer in a place *she knows* is regularly attacked by dragons? I love this film, but this character is very bad.
Okay first of all. What if Valka had come back as soon as she was sure that the dragons at the sanctuary wouldn't hurt her and Hiccup. The rest of Berk hated dragons and would shoot and kill any they saw, she would of gone back on Cloudjumper and they would of been shot down. Valka would either be killed or seriously injured in the fall and Cloudjumper probably would of been killed, and Valka already knew that she doesn't have it in her to kill a dragon even when Hiccup's life is on the line so he was safer being with a parent who could and would protect him not one that would hesitate. And say Valka had decided to sneak into Berk when almost everyone was asleep to take Hiccup with her, if she woke Stoick up there's no way he'd just let her take him especially if he found out where she wanted to take him. And if she did succeed in taking him I don't think that a dragon sanctuary is a very good place for a baby to be raised. Those dragons were in bad shape all it would take is for one that's missing a leg or can't fly right or was blind to accidentally fall on to Hiccup to kill him. Valka wasn't a bad mother, she knew that she wasn't able to protect Hiccup like Stoick was and where she was living was not an appropriate place for her to raise him. Valka did what she felt was best for Hiccup.
We see in HTTYD 2 that Valka has different opinion about dragons unlike the Berkians. She wouldn't kill a dragon, she was against that but when she thought Cloudjumper had tried to harm Hiccup, she tried to protect him. But then realized that Cloudjumper didn't mean to harm him. She didn't return because if anything like that incident happens again, she won't be able to protect her son or anyone but particularly Hiccup. She knew that if Hiccup was in danger because of a dragon and she was the only one there to protect him, she may not be able to. She didn't take Hiccup with her or didn't come back to take him because it would've been unfair to Stoick, Valka had decided to stay away from him, his wife and now she couldn't steal Hiccup from him as well. She is a very well developed character, she loves Hiccup. We all have our own opinions and we should respect other people's opinions as well and this is just my opinion :)
The reason of her not going back was that in that situation she was almost the reason that her husband and son died She knew that she could not stop them from fighting without the Vikings cooperating so she knew that her willingness to stop it was going to get someone that she loved killed She did it to protect people from her not to stay with dragons She thought she was a deadly hindrance to her fellow tribesmen and she didn’t want that
Âishah Wife Of Naeem "Berk was a land of kill or be killed." Valka stated this line which indicates that she knew that Hiccup and her hunsband can die whenever. (As of reality but much more intense I guess, given that they are viking in a universe with existing dragons.) She can't suddenly hire a pirate or spy around Berk when she tries to learn and understand the dragons. Like you can't exactly work on two at the same time. The universe of the story is way back of the past. Valka isn't some rich middle aged lady with lots of pet dragons who can hire someone to investigate for her. How can you investigate a preparation for war while having to spy on your family's well being? That definitely needs some super powers. We gotta consider the setting of the story. Cuz that's when we fucked up defending sides or explaining both sides. You know, it's not like movies are always about the 20th century.
I think that she met dragurr sometime after the first year and so she thought that dragurr would attack bark and,hurt hiccup so she stayed away thinking he would be safer.
What if Valka isn't really Hiccups mom, it explains why she didn't think of going back and being with her "son" it could be the equivelant of what happened in the book series...
I think Valka was let off too easily. Like u said at the end, she didn't even bothered to check up on him or anything and she just waltzed back into his life like all was good
She didn't leave him. She got taken by dragons to an unknown land, and not knowing where she was, she couldn't find her way back (also she didn't have a boat).
As a mom Valka is my least favorite character in the whole series. Moms are supposed to do anything for their children that's what makes them a mom. I have to agree with this video on Valka.
Finally! Someone else who understands! I personally hate her character and feel the movie would have been much better without her (it would have made Stoick’s death so much more impactful). And to be honest, other than destroy the trapper’s fort, which we don’t even get to see on screen, she doesn’t do anything (unless you count her delaying Stoick and Hiccup from going home and having the final battle sooner or later depending on whether or not Astrid and the gang still got captured or not). I absolutely loved the first movie and the TV shows, but the second movie might have ruined the rest of the franchise for me. I don’t really have much hope for the third movie now
Note When Valca says "I belived youd be safer if I stayed away" it was in the context on "You and your father nearly died that night, all because I couldnt kill a dragon" Valca belives that in the end her dragon empathy would hurt Hiccup and Stoic if they stayed in Berk
It’s obvious why Valka likes dragons so much the dragons she loves live in a paradise with a caring and responsible dragon in charge while the ones attacking Berk in the first movie lived in a volcano stuck with a cruel dragon who made them here slaves.
Also a thing to note is that if hiccup was three months old her staying away could be responsible for him being “the Runt”. it always confused me that he was considered the runt even though he didn’t seem significantly smaller than the rest of the kids in his age group, which makes me think that his growth was most likely stunted as a kid as a result of being malnourished as an infant. he was probably starting to grow out of it at the beginning of the first movie and no one had noticed that yet. Children usually aren’t weened before a year and baby formula wasn’t a thing at the time which meant at best another woman in the village would nurse him during the day while stoick goes about his chiefly duties and he’s being being given bread soaked in water or animal milk at night, or stoick is taking hiccup with him and giving him on of the “milk substitutes” listed above.
I agree! But maybe Hiccup's mom thought she was dangerous because when she tried to help a dragon she would make the Dragon killing Vikings mess up and when they mess up the dragons would take the opportunity to kill them which could kill hiccup! And maybe the reason why she didn't take hiccup with her was because without hiccup being the vikings's leader when hiccup's father died berk would have no leader! Plus she might have thought hiccup was going to turn out like his father! So she thought it be for the best if she stayed away!
Btw when I said that if hiccup's mom thought hiccup would turn out like his father by thinking dragons are bad and should be killed! Just saying cause I kinda made him sound bad
you know the funniest part of all of thisbid that the whole reason she left was because oh look i dont want hiccup to be in danger but yet she doesn't even care hiccup lost his leg
Sad to admit I never thought that much about Valka. It just starts her out as being a dragon advocate when there was nothing set up or explained why she got that point or had that opinion, they've had been under attack by the dragons for generations. the story would have worked just as well if she had been no different then the rest and in the battle saw that situation with Hiccup and realized dragons didn't attack something that wasn't a threat to them. They probably should have kept her as the villain for the second movie
Volca is ok in my book because of many reasons. 1:she said it didn't sit well with her for being away. 2:if she hesitates killing dragons,who to say she'd hesitate killing something MUTCH,MUTCH,worse. 3:draco and the hunter's were probably a constant problem for her when she did try to get back and had to make a choice, eather leave dragons when she knew draco would be killing or go back to your family and village and be told you're nuts after you tell them what you know. 4:she probably didn't know for sure if her family survived the fire.
Maybe she never came back to Berk because Berk wouldnt accept her, thats what she mean for Hiccup being safer. When she come back with the dragons, she is 100% sure the viking are gonna go ham on them
There is something that always struck a chord with me when Valka was talking about the Bewilderbeast: "We all live under his care and command." While the bewilderbeast is essentially benevolent, It does have the ability to control dragons. It may well be that with its care comes the command never to leave its sphere of influence. And as an alpha that command would have to be obeyed. I think there is more to it than Valka simply choosing not to return. I don't think she COULD return. If the Alpha commanded his dragons to stay within his sphere of influence, then no dragon would be able to take her back to Berk. She probably wanted very much to go back but there is a lot of ocean between Berk and Itchy Armpit. Pirates and trappers would likely have been the only seafaring humans in the area, and I think she would have been wise to take her chances with the dragons than with them. I think she resigned herself to a fate of being stuck there and had convinced herself that it was probably for the best. These are the impressions I get when taking all these details into account. Whether they are the impressions the writers intended is a different matter. I think that if she really COULD leave, she would have... If she were a real person and not just a plot device in a cartoon...
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All I can say to this was that it's pretty much answered in Race to the Edge. Astrid reassures Hiccup when he has a meltdown that no matter what route happened, whether he shot down Toothless or didn't shoot down Toothless, Hiccup and Berk would be in the same place they are now because it's how it was meant to be. Which makes me accept why Valka never returned even if her excuses were meh, it wasn't her fate to stop the DragonxBerk war. It was Hiccups, Hiccup was meant to be in Berk until the DragonxBerk war was over, not with Valka and the rescued dragons. Valka was meant to stay with Cloudjumper and the Bewilderbeast fighting off Drago and his dragon army until Hiccup came to the next stage of where he's meant to play a part in, to stop Drago and his tyranny. Now with HTTYD 3, will come the last and final stage of Hiccup finding his place with his fate fulfilled. It's not so much about Valka's poor excuses for never coming back to her son, it's all about Hiccup, Hiccup was meant to live his first stages of youth with his father, Stoick, who helped shape him into a Chief, and now he is meant to live his adulthood with his mother Valka, who will help Hiccup learn everything about the dragon part of his life. He is now fit to lead Berk, and we'll just have to wait for HTTYD 3 to see what happens further in the dragon part of his life. (: to answer the question "what was the real reason she stayed away from Hiccup?" Fate. It's where Valka was meant to be, a dragon vigilante on the back of Cloudjumper with the help of a Bewilderbeast, rescuing dragons from the dangerous threats outside of Berk. We've only seen a taste of what dangers Valka has been through and seen. And now that her Bewilderbeast is dead, she now follows Hiccup and Toothless, the new alphas (: like I said, this will all continue in HTTYD 3.
Just want to highlight this from what you said: "Hiccup was meant to live his first stages of youth with his father, Stoick, who helped shape him into a Chief..." If Valka had taken him away as a baby, this would never happen. :)
opsatr That was my point lol he was meant to live his early life with Stoick if it wasn't meant to be that way then Valka would have come back and taken Hiccup. Even Hiccup himself admitted in deleted scenes that he was safer without his mom. It was meant to be that way.
Crae Kings I didn't say you didn't mention it. :P I merely extracted the line from your text to highlight it. For the sake of those who are averse to reading big blocks of text. ;) I, too, write very long, and sometimes get a TLDR comment. :P
I doubt that she didn't want to be a wife and mother, but I agree with you on most other points. It has been a while since I've seen the movie, but from what I recall, it seemed that her opinions regarding the dragons were the only things that really set her apart from the rest and she did rush to Hiccup's defense when she thought Cloudjumper was going to harm him. Beyond that, she probably did convince herself that her staying away from Berk was better for everyone, better for Hiccup, as an excuse to justify that she had found her calling and then tried to pass it onto Hiccup when she was finally confronted with what her absence had wrought.
I don't hate Valka or anything, but I found it a little strange that she has no personal questions for her son who she hasn't seen in almost twenty one years! Hey how's you're father? Are you the chief yet? How is Berk? What happened to your leg? NOPE Oh yes yes Dragon, we live in peace with the alpha dragons dragons And considering hiccup was twenty one, maybe a natural question would have been, "Are you married?" "Do you have a girlfriend?" Do you know how much I would have loved to see a flustered Hiccup talk about how he's betrothed to a badass warrior? Even just for half a second.
How could tooth less meet the light fury and hiccup top that with your story her lying she's a hermit for 20 years so it's obvious that she may have a little love for hiccup but not much
Not defending her decision to stay away without even checking on her son but another reason she could have had to not go back is... how? She is miles and miles from Berk and the dragon(s) that brought her there might not have wanted to go back to where all the fighting was in order to bring her back. Yes she is later seen riding Cloudjumper but would he really bring his rider somewhere where she would be in danger from attacking dragons and he would be a target of hostile Vikings and friendly fire from other dragons?
I have a new theory for you. You problaby know the HTTYD 2 shene when Valka reveals a new ability of Toothless? Valka is hiding somthing definaly true because how did she knew Toothless was the last of his kind? Quz if tou saved dragons 20 years long it woud be weard if she didn't find another Night fury. Weard right? Mayby you should make a theory about that.
Marvel's disneydream universe Fix. Your. English. "You probably know the HTTYD 2 scene of when Valka reveals a new ability of Toothless'? Valka is definitely hiding something, that much is true. Because how else did she know Toothless was the last of his kind? Because if you've been saving dragons for 20 long ass years, it would be weird if she didn't find another Night Fury after all that time. It'd be weird right? Maybe you should make a theory about that."
I think there are too many things people don't take into consideration when thinking about Valka's decision to stay away. First; I give EVERY bet that this decision did not come overnight. Just like Hiccup, she was probably scared of the dragons first, determined to kill or be killed, possibly howling at them to take her back to her family, to her son. It probably took several weeks, possibly months to warm up to the dragons at all. Sure, Hiccup took far less time, but he was getting to know one isolated dragon entirely on his terms, while Valka was stuck in a cave with dozens, if not hundreds of them. The second development would have to be that, after she warmed up to dragons, she learned how to communicate with them and ride them. This probably took several months as well. One thing we saw in HTTYD 1 is that many dragons don't like being ridden (see Toothless throwing Hiccup off his tail), so who knows how long just the convincing work took? In all this time, she would warm up to dragons, learn about them, befriend them, get comfortable in this new life. But still, her main goal would be to get back to her son. (it's also here she learns of the dragon trappers) Only later in this development would doubts creep in. She'd get back to her village. Then what? The villagers hate dragons, the series has made it clear they belief dragon can manipulate and hypnotize people. Stoick himself was one of the biggest dragon haters in the city. It was as she said, "what evidence did I have that you would ever change"? Even if the - to her - very small possibility that Stoick accepted her back came to be, the rest of the village would probably scorn her. And even if they didn't, she would never be able to go back to the life she had in a village that waged war with the dragons she had come to love. And here's where "Hiccup would be safer" comes in. This is a village where dragons wage war, it's very probable that many kids grew up missing family members. Hiccup would only be one of many. But with a mother that is basically an outcast of the village, its shame? In viking mythology, this is worse than death, as an honorable death in fight will get you into Valhalla. It's the viking equivalent to having a mother who is a pedophile or domestic abuser or something along those lines, the worst possible option to have. Not to mention how clouded Valka's judgement would now be when the dragons attack again. So after she warmed up to the dragons, befriended them and learned how to ride them, a half a year to a year has passed, she can finally go home and when she sees her village, she's torn. This is development number three. She would constantly be changing her mind. "They're all better off without me", changes to "my son needs his mother and Stoick is the love of my life, he'll accept me". So she flies back, her nerves get to her again, and it changes back to "they're better off without me". This can go on for who knows how long and at some point, development number four happens. There's the guilt. She knows she should go back, but her indecision keeps her from doing anything and so, the bad scenarios in her head that keep her from taking action multiply. Now it's not the dragons fault anymore, now it's hers. Now, Hiccup will have developed from a toddler to a child and he will never forgive her for missing it and neither will Stoick. Now, she has no reason to have stayed away anymore, but she did it anyways and how could she do such a thing? And the more and heavier the guilt gets, the harder it is to face the consequences. In our day and age especially, when it's easier and more common than ever to just hide away in your room, isn't it so relatable to run away from whatever problems you caused and whatever responsibilities you need to face in life? Is it really so hard to imagine it's always been that way, especially for an oddball like Valka, who has never fit in with her environment? Next is the acceptance. At some point, the dragons, especially cloud jumper, have become her children as well. She loves them as much as she loves her son and her husband and there's no way she could willingly abandon them. She's already been gone for so long, Hiccup would probably be swinging his first little axe around, playing 'kill the dragon' with the other little villagers. They must all think she's dead. They must have all accepted it and moved. She should do the same thing. The dragons are now her family, her children, her reason for life. She's not proud of the decision, it weighs heavy on her heart and she wished she could change things, but she had the decision between 'terrible' and 'awful' and either way, she would be leaving someone behind who needed her, as well as a part of herself. But it's a decision that needed to be made and there's no turning back. Lastly, she becomes comfortable. Yes, now and only now , probably two to three years after her abduction, does she start to lighten up again, to become happy again and truly learn to enjoy this new life of hers and appreciate all it has to offer. Here's where your arguments of 'she loves this new life' first starts applying. But she is still a mother and still a wife. She never forgot Hiccup and never forgot Stoick. So then why didn't she grab Hiccup once she realized that dragons are good creatures? At best, by the time she made the decision to stay once and for all, at the very best a year and half has past, so Hiccup would be around two years old. Stoick already lost Valka, could he really bear losing his only child as well? Not to mention, she was thoroughly convinced that people do not change and that some people are just born different. Before actually meeting Hiccup at the age of 20, this thought probably sounded more like 'I am just born different'. Keep in mind that the only people she had met at this point where traders who feared dragons, people who fought dragons and people who trapped dragons. The thought that Hiccup might be like her, judging by the way she interacted with him in the movie, must have never even crossed her mind. To her, a son born of the strong Stoick the vast would be a natural dragon killer and what logic bringing a natural dragon killer into a dragon sanctuary. And even IF she thought he might be like her, as said, he would be two years old at the time. Stoick and him would be close, she would rip Stoick's only family away from him AND Hiccup would already be downed in the ways of berk. One wrong dragon hating move from him and one of her friends would fry him right then and there. Now after all this, I'm not saying that staying away was the right decision to make, but these are the kinds of things going on in the mind of someone in this position. A lot of very similar stuff was happening to Hiccup when he befriended Toothless (it was never stated, but the torment in his head was all over his face) and while some of these excuses started off with lying to herself, lying eventually turned into convincing and she started to believe her own lies. And if someone believes their own lies, can it really still be called lying? And do we, as the movie-goer, really know if her decision was the right or the wrong one? If she had made another decision and it would have been revealed in the second movie that it was the wrong one, we would have shouted the same thing; "what a terrible mother". The moment Valka hesitated on going back, she lost any chance of redemption in many people's eyes, probably even Hiccup's and Stoick's as well, and she was aware of that, another small addition to add to the torment of making a decision. Valka didn't know what the right move to do was and neither do we. In the end, she decided on one and stuck to it and I think that's already more than we can say for most people today. Also, yes, once she realized that she WAS forgiven by the people she wanted to be forgiven by and that the village HAD changed and she no longer HAD to give up on the dragons to be with her family, I think she really DID want to go back. Why would she not, it was probably better than any ideal situation she had ever dreamed up in her head. Okay, huge post. Thank you to anybody taking the time to read this.
How was Valka supposed to get Hiccup off of Berk? Build a ship? That would take super long to build, with just one person. By the time she had a boat, for all she knew, Hiccup could be a young dragon killer. She can't fly, any dragon would be attacked, especially one heading for the chiefs hut. I think that in HTTYD 3 Valka might have some character development.
It's likely that most of the human contact she's had for the last 20 years were with dragon hunters and trappers. She must have thought Toothless needed saving and she must take him away from this human enslaving him. But Hiccup's actions inside the chamber (calming the other dragons with his fire sword, etc.) puzzled her. And when she had Toothless brought in, their interaction surprised her as well. The rest is history. :P
I honestly relate to Valka even more, having a literal dragon sanctuary seems way better than changing diapers and listening to s noisy little child all day. And yes, this is why I don't plan on having children
Thanks for the video. Erm... this became an essay my bad. I just recently adopted the HTTYD fandom. I avoided it because I loved Valga and didn't want to understand her staying away. When I saw the movie I thought it was a slight allegory to mental illness but better yet, how some people are simply against the grain. Her curiosity of dragons trumped her feelings of protectiveness to her own baby, and barely reacted to the Cloudjumper giving Hiccup his scar. Thinking Hiccup would have been safer away from her meant she grew older thinking there was something wrong with her. "Cloudjumper felt like I belonged with [the dragons]," she said. And she after finding she could be herself with the dragons stayed. Hiccup should have had some bitterness yes... but he is his mother's son and is more understanding than many because of his shared disposition with her. When his mother told him "All this time you took after me," really shook me to my core. Hiccup was just as ostracized for his curiosity of dragons as his mum, and for being very non-Viking. Even before she had Hiccup it seemed that she was trying to change Stoic's mind about dragons and was failing. She did apologize for being an absent mum and asked Hiccup for another chance. For someone to be away for twenty years second-guessing themselves, doubting, and thinking something is wrong with them, no wonder she did not return. She, as the first we know who went against the grain, was never sure until she saw her own flesh, Hiccup, affirming her beliefs, and the entire village at that. Her meeting Stoic again was such an emotional payoff too, to realize that feelings of love was still there beneath it all and despite their differences. I was worried because of how her tone sounded when she said, "What did your father think of your Night Fury friend?" because it meant that she seeks - still seeks - the heartbreaking part after all this time - Stoic's acceptance as well of her - and was probably another reason she stayed away. He rejected "her" [gestures to all of her] like he rejected "Hiccup" [gestures to all of Hiccup]. And Valga didn't have CloudJumper at that time like Hiccup had Toothless, worth convincing anyone of jack. If you watch the scene where Valga and Stoic reunites again her beautiful femininity is displayed just as when she meets Hiccup. She needs to be part of that family just as she needs to be herself. Yeah she was confused and selfish, but I'm grateful for grey characters like these, Stoic too.
you nailed the accent lol and yes, being surrounded by at least a thousand dragons and an ultra-powerful bewilderbeast is the safest place to be unless achnologia is around... in that case it's the most dangerous place to be
This review is greatly biased and accusing not to include the reviewer is unaware of her bit emotional burst at a point I'm generally disliking her(hope he's not male sounded like female H.P.s)
#1 I get into the characters' feelings. :) #2 Sorry, you dislike me. Since I am the voice, I must bear the burden of either being hated or loved. Tis a heavy burden lol. :) #3 It wasn't a review, it was a theory. #4 Thank you so much for voicing how you feel. We really enjoy hearing your different perspectives.
Theory is something that is made up based on knowledge upon solving a problem. Since topic 'Hiccup's mother is a liar' is a point of probability of why she nurse wounded dragons over nursing the son of her beloved husband which in favour of his short viewed villagers which resulting the movie scene you highlight it's more of a critic than a theory well since you are blaming The Mother.
Please take note I only watch half of your critic since I dislike one who raise their voice pitch to a high tone be it either lad, lass, hey or less be ant.
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This movie has a lot of changes in production. Previously they have idea of Valka being a warrior with PTSD. Someone who lost herself in endless fighting for dragons, someone tired and destroyed.
1.Maybe she couldn't leave 2.just enjoy the movie 3. If i were hiccup i would understand that i would be safer without her cuz if she can't kill a dragon she can't protect him
I think something that was overlooked in this was how Valka may have been treated by the tribe growing up and/or before she was taken, we know that Hiccup took after her so it wouldn't be a stretch that she was treated similarly to how Hiccup was before the first movie, this could influence her choice to not come back just look at how Stoick and the rest of the tribe reacted when Hiccup was getting friendly with a dragon, to add to that Valka had believed there was another way before she was taken and they considered her mad then would only become more exaggerated. all that being said good video
I say she didn’t know how to get back. When she was carried away from Berk, she look like she was more focused on getting out than tracking were she was going, so when she could ride back, she didn’t know how to get back. So she accepted her fate, and soon her love for dragons overtook her.
It might have also been because in the final episode of Dragons: Race to the Edge Hiccup had found a Bilwilderbeast egg under Berserker Island. The egg was then given to the Wingmaidens to find someone suitable to watch and care for the egg. The egg was given to *presumably* Valka because the end scene is the egg on a rock when a woman in her dragon armor jumping up and taking the egg. So she basically raised the bilwilderbeast i think? Which is a reason why she didn't come back?
I thought of it as " my belief contradicts Berks belief and that nearly got my son and husband killed, so I'm going to stay away because if I go back home and there is a dragon raid again I'm most likely do the same thing as last time and hiccup and stoick might get killed" But hey, that's just my opinion
WOW! WE LOVE that you guys are so passionate about this. :D Here's an additional note. I left this partially as a comment to another watcher who removed her comment.
As for Valka feeling Hiccup would be safer where the Vikings are still fighting dragons and people are supposedly dying... it seemed a bit silly and maybe just not adequate in terms of writing for the character.
I understand her reasons for initially staying away, but then after she became quite resourceful and a master dragon trainer, she could have formulated a way of ascertaining whether or not Hiccup was even still alive. Mind you... she was gone.... for 20 years. Not 5 or 10. Twenty. On top of that... the ONLY excuse she gives is.... "I believe you'd be safer if I stayed away."
That wasn't an ample enough answer. Not for a young boy who'd gone on his whole life thinking his mom was dead. And mind you … Isn't it weird that she didn't think ONCE that people would go on propagating the hate of dragons because they all believed she was killed BY dragons? Wouldn't it have been a very convincing argument if she flew back to Berk with a bunch of dragons and a top their backs?
Also, we don't go out of our way to ruin movies. Have you not seen our other videos? :) We love to THINK and THEORIZE. Al-teori- All theories. That is what our channel is about, so if you are easily offended or only interested in the good side of things, this channel might not be for you, because we will offend sometimes with things we point out.
We will make content to stir up different perspectives. We LOVE HTTYD and we love hearing from all of you. We don't have to agree on everything but that is the point. For us to think from different perspectives and to have our own identities.
There is no need to be emotionally distraught in thinking we're set out to "destroy" anything. Needless to say, thank you so much for contributing. We enjoy hearing all of your opinions and I personally am glad you're all so passionate about the film. :)
Alteori , that must've taken a long time to type
Kyuubi Well she is a fictional character. So it really just depends on how her creators write her. Alteori is just giving a perspective and opinion. So it's not wrong or right.
Alteori what if the info raptor was formed from deltas DNA when she was a baby sconce she was slightly more aggressive
Alteori i think the only case that makes people in here think that you are attacking the character "Valka" in the movie, possibly because of lacking explanation. You create theory based on perspective and would only add a few on the supporting details. It's like you did your thesis but your related literature is not enough hahaha!
Also, not everyone did watch the whole video and would actually want to watch your other videos. So, you gotta make this particular video an independent one you know. You lot kinda left the energy in saying that this was JUST a theory.
I admit, after watching this video it didn't made me want to watch the others simply because of lacking the capacity to convince me.
But again, "that's just me".....
You asked for their thoughts in your video, that means you be ready to take positive 'but more' negative with a bit of neutral in your comment section. XD
Good luck!
Alteori I can't believe you're just useing how to train your dragon for money that's the only reason for making a video on it also your sick for making two videos about indoraptor and blue haveing
sex and a video with a dumnail of night fury and light fury fighting and you see light fury breasts fuck you
She noticed toothless missing tail but not a mention of her son's missing leg
Michael Hunting as many villagers have missing limbs, such a thing is normal to them. She certainly wouldn't have liked it, bit wouldn't have e been surprised
EXACTLY lol! She seems to faun over the dragons than her own son she hasn't seen in 20 years. Really?
A missing limb is normal for Vikings, but dragons come from trappers usually. She was probably curious. And she probably didn't want to ask THAT question so soon. Or ask him at all. Maybe she thought he'd be sensitive to it since he's different. I dunno.
Yeah the fact that she doesn't notice hiccups leg is gone is pretty sad
Michael Hunting yep that bugged me alot.
She didn't want to watch Hiccup grow up to become a dragon killer.
I have three kids I would rather stay and try to keep them from becoming a killer than leave and hope for the best.
Then takimg him would make more sence, because then he will not be a dragon killer
She didn't want to watch Hiccup grow up to become a dragon killer. Plus Hiccup is a human and she probably didn't want him to grow up in a dragon's habitat. I mean, I feel like taking him away from his natural environment would be more messed up.
I'm sure it's not an easy decision any way you look at it.
I see the point of the one who said Hiccup is human and she wouldn't want him to grow up with dragons.
Yes, dragons are good. She knew that. But she also knew that when she decided to stay with the dragons, she was removing herself from human society.
Now, she is free to decide that for herself, but is it really in her hands to make that same decision for her son?
Trico_Vicky that makes sense
"I thought you'd be safer"
*Hiccup then proceeds to almost die while fighting dozens of dragon hunters*
numerous times.
Lol
SAFER. YOUR LIVING IN THIS PARADISE WITH A BEWILDERBEAST AND I ALMOST BURNT 7 TIMES AND DIED OVER LIKE 189 TIMES SO SAFE?
THOUGHT she said thought,she didn't say hiccup Whould.
Actually in Viking culture, women had many rights. Like the right to divorce, own their own land and to choose their own husband
@Elizabeth Bennet vikings actually weren't that violent, when they went to new places they only killed those who fought, the people who lived there and didn't fight were spared and usually got to continue life as normal. Their journeys often were to settle into new places.
@@ShieniLicksOnLemons eh this wasn't always true. For example Lindasfarne (Or however you spell it)
@@malemasemase-9726 yes because people never make stories they've heard more dramatic to make people more likely to listen.... They weren't real vikings then because raping a woman was one of the vilest crimes for vikings, because women were considered magic and because math was considered magic thus women were the heads of the household. So making women into prizes is very much against what most Vikings believed
while there is no doubt that atrocities could be exaggerated but claiming vikings avoided raping or weren't "real vikings" not a solid argument. especially when a lot comes from their own sagas, .like the story about the Viking who was made fun of for not killing children.
the word Viking itself meant they were raiding and I doubt they have held the same view about their own women on those they conquered . Vikings acted no differently then any other conquers from any culture, why because that's just the way things where back then.
AND... have an abortion! If she was mad at stoic than why did she agree to have a baby with him.
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I thought she stayed away because she wanted to protect the dragons. If she tried to go back on a dragon she would probably get shot down. Just a thought
Enderlight 49 one thing, also she may have been forced to stay at berk(the same thing happened to hiccup,when toothless was found) while cloudjumper was forced to lead the berkians to the bewilderbeast nest, with most likely mass destruction and death and calamity
She could've just landed near by and walked, but I get what you're saying
@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 idk
thats what she wants She want both sides to not meet because if they do meet theyll just clash with each other again and if she didnt come with cloudjumper and killed cloudjumper then that would just trigger the pack of dragons that cloud jumper came with and wouldve been more aggressive
@@melisaromano4042 ya she isn’t a bad mom she can’t go back
You've got to remember that Valka was originally as the enemy instead of Drago and he was meant for the third movie.
Wait but would she have still been hiccup's mother
The Nintenbro Yes. Originally, when Drago's army attacked, the gang showed up at the same time and Valka assumed that Hiccup and Stoick were part of the dragon army. Then she chose dragons over her family and, yeah. It's a deleted scene that you could find somewhere in RUclips
MysteryGirl 11 thanks in didn't know that there was a deleted scene thanks.
MysteryGirl 11 title?
MysteryGirl 11 do you have a title for the scene in can't find it
You have to take into account that Valka may have felt that if she couldn't bring herself to kill one thing like a dragon even if they actually were nice and peaceful what other real actual dangers would she hesitate to protect her husband and child from. Parents often over worry about their children and panic themselves into making wrong decisions
Also we also have to remember the fact that Drogo from the same movie had been hunting dragons even before the the events in the first movie so she might have felt that her family would be safer for her to go about rescuing dragons allowing Berk to learn the truth about dragons on there own even though she doubted her husband would come around to the idea of peaceful dragons but she felt if she left and continued her friendship with dragons elsewhere to lead drogo away from berk maybe that is what she meant
I have personally considered this, but she could have told Stoic she couldn't kill a dragon as to not expect her to. Simple. Believe, true love for your child would trump every excuse you could give. When we see her, she only appears when she wants to be seen and she is having a jolly old good time. Drago did not find her and she knows to fly above the clouds to not be located. She was resourceful enough that she could have made it back to Berk to check up on her family and leave without a trace.
Also since you made such a good point about her knowing to fly above the clouds to avoid being seen how do you know she didn't go back to check up on Hiccup as he was growing up but simply stayed out of sight you know she could see him and he just could see her. through out history there are tales of parents who feared for their children's lives for one reason or another who would leave their children in the care of other members of their family to be raised but would visit at very late hours and only for maybe about one to two minutes before leaving again so that the people who they were protecting their family from would not have enough time to track them down so she might have peeked in on her son off and on through out his life but stayed just far enough away that she couldn't be seen by either her son or her husband
Ha, Gobor was a better parent for Hiccup than both of his own parents.
Gobber*
Lunar Games well I didn't exactly know the spelling.
its ok now u know :3
I kinda agree
I would like Gobber to be my grandpa but he gay tho
Well to be fair had she come back talking "Dragons are good" she would have likely been shuned and by proxy her family (especially hiccup).would get treated badly .
No.
Vanessa Dunson care to elaborate?
@@stoirmslw7195 well were talking Viking days . If she went home saying dragons (wild beast that had been killing people for years )were kind she would be looked at as a nuttjob and she'd be luck to avoid execution .
They would've thought that she must have been dropped by the dragon and hit her head... No one listened to her before, no one would listen to her after. We saw just how much it took from Hiccup to convince people "hey dragons aren't bad". Think how Valka must have thought her attempt to stop the dragon war would have gone. Valka, who had more life experience, who had seen these people more, who knew these people better and had already become more cynical than what Hiccup was, how would she think there'd be any chance for her to change people's minds? She had tried, and she had failed already.
Picasso Marble no I completely understand where you’re coming from my question was directed at Vanessa Dunson who simply said “no” and I was asking why “no”?
RETYPED this comment bc I didn't present my arguments well:
While I see your points, Alteori, I have to disagree. Valka was a justified character.
(Long comment warning)
- My first point is that she was trapped there, regardless of whether she wanted to return or not.
She was stolen away by Cloudjumper. Not with ill-intent from the dragon, but she didn't choose to leave.
She likely could not have returned without someone being put into danger. If she came in on the back of a dragon, that dragon would likely be shot down; putting aside the likelihood being injured or killed by the fall, the dragon mount would be attacked in melee too once it crashed; this would put the dragon at risk of being killed, as well as putting the Berkians (including Stoick, Hiccup if he were grown by then, and any friends she had while she lived there) at risk of injury or death when the dragon would inevitably try to fight or flee the conflict.
Dragonback was the only way Valka could have returned. The only other way I could think of would be by boat, and if she came with a decently large boat it would likely also be attacked, as Berk gets raided a lot in the shows and it'd be reasonable of them to assume a large stranger ship approaching had ill will. If she came on a small, non-imposing vessel, it likely wouldn't be able to survive the harshness of the ocean's waves and storms.
- My second point is that she likely would have, reasonably, preferred her life with the dragons.
Consider the brief snippet of a flashback and Valka's narration as she talks about her old life on Berk. She clearly was miserable and unappreciated there, much like Hiccup was at the beginning of the first film. Noone agreed with her or listened to her, and the creatures she wanted so badly to give a chance were constantly being mindlessly slaughtered. It was not a good life.
On the contrary, the dragons accepted her, even as their leader and tamer. She was with the creatures she loved, and was able to rescue dragons she would be totally helpless to save otherwise. A much better, more fulfilling life than the one she had lived back on Berk.
She also likely didn't want to watch her innocent baby grow up to be a dragon killer.
- My third (and main) point is that she had reason to believe her hypothetical return would be pointless at best, and seriously harmful at worst.
She found that her attempts to keep peace put her fellow Berkians (and their structures & island) at risk, and may have come to the conclusion that returning would make it more dangerous for everyone, including her beloved Stoick and Hiccup. This is her most direct spoken reason in the movie: "It broke my heart to stay away, but I felt you'd be safer for it." "You and your father nearly died that night, all because I couldn't kill a dragon."
Not only would she be a potential danger, but her influence could mess with Hiccup's ideals; it was clear the important thing in Berkian society was killing dragons, and if she interfered with her son's desires he could become an outcast like she was; she believed he'd have a better life without her being there to influence him.
And lastly, over her life on berk she developed the belief that people can't be changed. If she returned, she likely would have suspected no difference; people still wouldn't listen to her.
- Some other bits.
If she were to return with the intent to leave again and take Hiccup with her, that'd be ripping him from everyone he grew up with; his father, his potential half-siblings (she had no way of knowing that Stoick hadn't remarried since she was taken away), his friends, his mentor, etc. It'd be a pretty cruel thing to do to a child.
She expected Stoick to be furious with her for staying away (as is proven by her dialogue when Stoick finds her), and thought it would be better that she would be perceived as dead rather than a traitor to her family and Berk as a whole.
Possibly, but she didn't even try to find out if they were even alive.
Well i mean, she couldn't have. Like I said returning to Berk would have been very dangerous. Unless you mean some other way?
Also, thanks for the heart :3
Alteori Well maybe there's a possibility that she did try to send scouts but because of REASONS they weren't able to come back like Getting shot down, Eaten by possible predators, or maybe the Red Death thing but not sure with that, but Vikings were at sea in the Red Death thing so maybe once again some scouts got shot down but it still won't make sense when the dragons became allies with the vikings. Or Sir Draco was trying to attack the sanctuary which would make sense
I’m with you she is a great mother
Peeble Kitty your profile picture is so cute❤️
As a mother myself and a crazy dragon lover since childhood I just gotta say that everyone has their reasons for doing stuff but there is NO force on this earth that would ever make me leave my son. If we had to though it out, we'd do it together. ❤
As a mother i can understsnd why she didn't Bring Hiccup to her.
IT IS a isolated Life she choose and for a growing child that must be hell.
Humans are social and need other Humans. She also have big trust in Stoick for rising Hiccup by his own. And she didn't leave because she hatte Berk and the Hooligans. In the third Movie it ist clear, she enjoys human company. But she decided for her own to Life with the dragons and make huge abstention. That is a choice she couldn't imposition to her child.
Great mother
"It broke my heart to stay away, but I felt you'd be safer for it.""
"You and your father nearly died that night, all because I couldn't kill a dragon."
She was worried that, the next time the dragons attacked Berk, if she ended up in that situation again, she'd be unable to actually protect Hiccup, too torn between sides. The same way Hiccup was ready to leave Berk to protect not only Toothless but his own sense of morality, Valka stayed away because she felt her judgment would be too clouded in those situations and only cause more trouble, or worse, cause her to hesitate when it really matters. Who's to say the next time, some other dragon, less intuitive than Cloudjumper was in that moment, would've found baby Hiccup and decided he'd make a good offering for the Red Death?
She really was trying hard to protect him, and the entire village, because she felt like she'd changed sides in a war, at least at heart, and her inability to be 100% loyal to her family because of it would've put them all in danger.
I understand where she's coming from but it wasn't enough. She could have been honest and told Stoic, "let's make a more fortified bed for Hiccup, and don't expect me to kill a dragon because I cannot."
Staying away and living it up without even trying to ascertain their life status just seems like a cop out.
Alteori I don't want to butt in or be hateful towards anyone but have you met Stoic ? Don't you remember how he reacted when Hiccup tried to tell him that he can't kill dragons ? He was willing to hear his son out only after Toothless saved Hiccup (although he did apologise once Toothless and Hiccup were out of the water). Not even when Hookfang almost killed Hiccup and Toothless came to his rescue was he willing to listen to him. He actually disowned him (if that's the right word) because the dragon who saved his life almost killed the other villagers when, in fact, I see everyone ducking out of the way but that's unimportant right now.
My point is, who says it couldn't have been Valka in Hiccup's shoes if she had stayed ? What makes you believe that Stoic would have actually listened to her if she told him "I don't want/ can't kill dragons" ?
uhh, the Red Death already died in the 1st movie -_-
Stoick*
ShaniaRubyBFF Msp The flashback of baby Hiccup shown in the second movie took place years before the first movie (15 to be exact). For all we know the Red Death probably ruled the dragons even back then.
Jeez sounds like you were the one abandoned for 20 years.😂😂 The hostility i swear😂
Yes.
I don't think she as had kids yet, not facd the problems of motherhood & trying to cope with ungrateful children.maybe knowing that the tribe was killing all Dragons and that Stoic would proctect their son to his last breathe, she had the opportunity to save the lives of an endangered species, it all from some writers imagination, and his view on motherhood, so maybe the auditor should examine the writers history with mothers instead of mothing off about the story line and how it has affected her personally, any mother will tell you , all you can do is your best & hope it was good enough.
Thank you so much for your perspective! I've had other presumed mothers on here saying they would stay to do everything they can to make sure their son didn't become what Stoic wanted him to become and others saying they would leave so he wouldn't be bullied. Regardless of whether or not I am a mother, doesn't negate the fact that there are mothers out there that didn't have their kid's best interest at heart.
Some left their kids because of the stress of being a mom was too much. Some weren't ready, and to be honest, some mothers, unfortunately, are just bad moms who would rather prostitute their children for money/drugs. I've seen them all. I don't think Valka didn't love Hiccup, and maybe her reasoning at the time was that he WOULD be safer, but the explanation the way she provided it was too vague.
Okay, I can get behind this theory, but I also need to somewhat defend Valka. Again, what she did, I don't think was right, but I also have to see through her eyes.
Okay, so first let's go back to when Valka was back on Burk. In the short period, we see her there, and her opinion wasn't very popular. She probably felt like an outsider, even with Hiccup and Stoick, mostly Stoick being there for her. Humans will look to where they are most excepted. And being young, she yeared to be excepted by the village.
Now let's look at when she was with Stoick. It's clear that when Hiccup was "in danger" she was ready to kill Cloud Jumper, but was taken aback that these creatures are smarter and kinder then what the Vikings had thought. And When Stoick had met her once more, Valka was ready to be yelled at by her husband, she knew she was in the wrong. And once they are eating, it's clear that the two of them were in love, even back when young. She clearly loves the both of them.
Hiccup is another factor to take in. having a newborn baby surrounded by dragons, not even Valka knew were tameable and still learning about would be a bad idea. What if one of the dragons did hurt Hiccup as a growing boy? And humans are social creators. It was a good call to leave Hiccup with Humans instead of living with dragons. Also, what if Hiccup did turn out more like Stoick? Having a male/father figure around without a mother--it probably didn't cross Valka's mind that Hiccup would take after her. She was shocked to find out that he ended up like her.
Now Stoick. Maybe at the time when the two were together, maybe Valka was winning her husband over to the idea of not all dragons are bad. And let's be honest, Viking women are just as headstrong and wild as their male counterparts. She even demanded Stoick to yell at her even when she was scared of what the love of her life would think/say of her leaving him and their child. Taking Astrid and Ruffnut as examples. They were ruffer then their male counterparts.
But back to Stoick, let's say he was being persuaded into the idea of dragons, only for the idea to be shattered by his wife being taken away from him by his very eyes and "eaten". And maybe that's why he didn't want Hiccup fighting dragons. Stoick didn't want the same fate to fall upon his only son. Only to find out his son would be just like his wife.
Now back to Valka and her being around dragons for, let's say the first year; she was still learning about the dragons and learning to fly probably took a long while. Longer then Hiccup because there was no need to learn how because no dragon needed her help to fly. And maybe the first year or months, she was only close to Cloud Jumper. He is her main dragon to ride as is there throughout the movie by her side.
Let's also say she did want to come back as soon as she learned to fly on a dragon, one: Cloud Jumper may have been killed, and two: what if she was taken aback by other dragons being captured and she thought the lives of these beasts were more of a priority then her son who one, doesn't know who she is, and two: who is safe. And three: how would people react to her coming in and riding a dragon? Scared.
And of course, she was hesitant to go back. Anyone would in giving up a life she knew so well.
I do agree with this, somewhat, but I believe that some factors should have put into some more thought.
HAHA *slow clap* This is by far the best comment on this video I have seen to argue the side of Valka.
You make a fair point with learning. Although, it seems as though she had mastered the dragons for quite some time (being able to stand in midflight on one and knowing their quirks and secrets).
What we all discussed on our side is "even" if she herself couldn't go back (which would have been a great argument, for she could have had the dragons drop her off nearby and she come on boat or use a swimming species to tell the people of Berk what happened *prepared* to show them the dragons are friends), she is resourceful enough to have sent someone to see whether or not Hiccup was alive or dead. It seems she just gave up on her family in an "out-of-sight-out-of-mind" way.
Granted, the culture was different in that setting, but even as a woman, she was strong, smart, and able enough to find a way to know her son was safe. Afterall, Berk was still under fierce attack even after she left. Hiccup would still be in danger after she left. Her leaving would not change his security, and if anything, would make it worse.
Alteori you don’t know how load I screamed when I say this, I was so excited. Thank you for looking at my post and yes I did think of that she could be dropped off, but those were just some factors that popped into my mind while watching this. I even watched the second movie after I posted this to see if I missed anything. I did. And I still agree that what she did was wrong and it could have been handled better
You're welcome and thank you for sharing your view. It's always fun seeing the different perspectives. I personally like Valka's characters and she'd make a fun person to hang out with.
The title in the thumbnail made me laugh
The Silent Saphira yeah...I thought it was going to be sexual...it could be...o.O
Lol
Alpha Crusaders ik right
Me to
See, there’s a big problem in the “I don’t want a child” point. Viking women had much more power in the society than today’s. They didn’t have to do anything they didn’t want to.
Maybe, but her character seemed very submissive.
@@Alteori She was described as a very strong woman and stuff..I don’t think she was submissive. I think she genuinely wanted it all but after the incident where her family almost died she couldn’t be there to watch them kill themselves fighting dragons and didn’t want to be the reason anyone got hurt because she couldn’t fight them..she basically decided really late out of trauma that she didn’t want that life anymore
I'm glad someone addressed this; I've always had mixed feelings about Valka. I was never satisfied with her explanation for staying away. My first thought when she said that Cloudjumper probably thought she belonged in the Sanctuary was that it sounded unnervingly like Stockholm Syndrome. While I doubt that's a subject the HTTYD universe would ever delve into, it seemed worth mentioning. She seemed a bit...all over the place to me. Like she was aware that she was in the wrong and felt guilty but behaved a lot of the time like she thought her actions were justified.
I also feel like she at some point became enamoured with the lifestyle and kept creating excuses to stay away until she came up with the one she gave Hiccup and latched onto it. It was hardly a good one, but I didn't get the impression that Valka is particularly rational. She's at her core a Viking, and Vikings don't like to accept the idea that they might be wrong (which was made obvious in HTTYD 1).
She's like those weird dog mums who care more about animals than humans. That moment when she pitied the disabled dragon but didn't even seem to notice her own son was missing a leg was heartbreaking to watch. At least for me.
Great theory about Valka, loved the video but I don’t believe she’s a liar, the reason she never return to berk not only to protect hiccup but she stated that berk wasn’t easy to make a change and that it was a land of kill or be killed and so she wasn’t happy about it. But that’s how I think but your reason about her isn’t far fetched either and I liked that too👍
yaniel rivera I agree I don’t think she’s a liar
Yea she probably believed the Vikings wouldn't change their views about Dragons, so she decided not to come home
tdtdft exactly, agree with you there too ,👍👍👍 what else do you all think if she was lying or why was she acting that way about hiccup? Or let me know your opinions I would love to hear them👍
tdtdft I agree
Thank you for your feedback. So you believe that, in her mind, she thought Hiccup would be safer if she never returned because Berk wouldn't change? Why? Wouldn't Hiccup have been in danger more _because_ of that?
Trust me, I've done some stupid things that, at the time, the reasoning seemed sound. However, for Valka, it seemed as though she just threw away the responsibility.
There is also the possibility that she reasoned the dragon hunters would follow her. That would have been a better excuse. I would have loved to get a DVD extra of additonal dialogue of her giving Hiccup a more fleshed out explanation as to why she was away, because for me, that would not have been enough from my mom.
You forgot the scar
She recognized Hiccup because of the scar on the lower jaw, not that he looks like his father,
but a tiny scar that he had received as a baby and which (in reality) had been impossible to see,
because scars become smaller when a baby/child grows up.
By the way, one question:
How does she know so much about Night Fury and that Toothless is the same age as Hiccup?
She is a dragon expert,it kinda becomes a thing you just know once you get it right.
euhm.... no! this all got adressed in the scene where she saw stoic again 'what sign did i have that you could change stoic? that any one on berk could change?'... that debunks your entire 'she knows dragons are kind creaturs' argument
Hiccup would have been safer with her then by that logic.
Aside from Drago hunting her after she saves Dragons from him? Or Grimmel from the next movie(seeing as he hunted "all the Nightfuries")? He was far safer with Stoic and an entire village full of Vikings. Add in that she likely thought he wouldn't develop properly with growing up with only seeing 1 other human being.
Alteori If you think about it, if she took Hiccup away from Stoick then she would've taken everything away from him.
so it's better to raise your child in an ice cave while you have a war with drgon hunters then it is to raise him to become a chieftan in a village full of people he can trust?
Alteori I don’t think she could have come back for him.She would’ve been shot down by the berkians.She would have to use her bewilderbeast to freeze the entire village to take her child which isn’t a risk taking.
1: maybe she was to scared to ride cloud jumper there because she thought he would be shot down and killed.
2: WHY DOES HER NAME SOUND LIKE VODCA?!
It is established she works with dragons that can change color and she could fly by the cover of night. I heard she was originally going to be the villain so I think she was just rewritten and never completely fixed.
What if she was under attack for a while, by not just Vikings, but drago or someone like him attacked her before she decided to stay and thought it would make him safer.
THAT would have made so much sense and I would have accepted that excuse. Just saying a mere "You'd be safer" would only raise more questions for me.
Holy crap...how have I not noticed this...I won’t be able to see this movie in the same way again
Golisopod Gaming same here
Golisopod Gaming because it’s a stretch... that’s why.
"It'd be better is she said there were dangerous people after her", you mean like the people we see in the movie hunting dragons that she has come into conflict with.
She wouldn't know if Hicup would be like his father and kill dragons
I felt so bad for hiccup in this movie, he finds his mother who he though was dead for his whole life only to discover that she was alive and well. on top of that he knows that with the help of a dragon she could go back to berk anytime she wanted but chose to stay away because she "thought he would be safer" when she has thousands of dragons protecting her so if she really wanted both her son and husband to be safe she would try to convince Stoick to allow the dragons to help defend berk sense he can't abandon the island do to having the responsibility of being the chief.
Yeah I didn’t really like her in the movie because she seemed like one of those parents that don’t come around until their child had money and was successful
"I believed you'd be safer if I did."
In the first few minutes of "How to Train Your Dragon", Hiccup is running through a flaming village with dragons attacking everyone and is nearly burned alive by a Monstrous Nightmare. He nearly died in the first fifteen minutes of the film.
How would Hiccup have been safer in a place *she knows* is regularly attacked by dragons?
I love this film, but this character is very bad.
Lucas Mckenzie Ha! True dat!
I think she assumed that Hiccup was going to be a dragon killer like Stoick and the others.
MysteryGirl 11 Naaaaah, he had them green eyes of kindness! Undertale-wise anyway. Lol.
well what if hiccup was killed by that dragon cause she couldnt bring herself to kill it. hed be safer cause stoick can protect hiccup.
She's not fleshed out enough. I don't think she is a horrible person, but certainly not a fit mother.
No matter what happens a mother doesn’t leave her son for 20 fucking years I feel so bad for Hiccup and Stoic she didn’t deserve them
Okay first of all. What if Valka had come back as soon as she was sure that the dragons at the sanctuary wouldn't hurt her and Hiccup. The rest of Berk hated dragons and would shoot and kill any they saw, she would of gone back on Cloudjumper and they would of been shot down. Valka would either be killed or seriously injured in the fall and Cloudjumper probably would of been killed, and Valka already knew that she doesn't have it in her to kill a dragon even when Hiccup's life is on the line so he was safer being with a parent who could and would protect him not one that would hesitate. And say Valka had decided to sneak into Berk when almost everyone was asleep to take Hiccup with her, if she woke Stoick up there's no way he'd just let her take him especially if he found out where she wanted to take him. And if she did succeed in taking him I don't think that a dragon sanctuary is a very good place for a baby to be raised. Those dragons were in bad shape all it would take is for one that's missing a leg or can't fly right or was blind to accidentally fall on to Hiccup to kill him. Valka wasn't a bad mother, she knew that she wasn't able to protect Hiccup like Stoick was and where she was living was not an appropriate place for her to raise him. Valka did what she felt was best for Hiccup.
We see in HTTYD 2 that Valka has different opinion about dragons unlike the Berkians. She wouldn't kill a dragon, she was against that but when she thought Cloudjumper had tried to harm Hiccup, she tried to protect him. But then realized that Cloudjumper didn't mean to harm him.
She didn't return because if anything like that incident happens again, she won't be able to protect her son or anyone but particularly Hiccup. She knew that if Hiccup was in danger because of a dragon and she was the only one there to protect him, she may not be able to.
She didn't take Hiccup with her or didn't come back to take him because it would've been unfair to Stoick, Valka had decided to stay away from him, his wife and now she couldn't steal Hiccup from him as well.
She is a very well developed character, she loves Hiccup. We all have our own opinions and we should respect other people's opinions as well and this is just my opinion :)
The reason of her not going back was that in that situation she was almost the reason that her husband and son died
She knew that she could not stop them from fighting without the Vikings cooperating so she knew that her willingness to stop it was going to get someone that she loved killed
She did it to protect people from her not to stay with dragons
She thought she was a deadly hindrance to her fellow tribesmen and she didn’t want that
Life Through A Lens thank you. i’m unsure why this theory is even a thing. common sense would state what you had.
Âishah Wife Of Naeem "Berk was a land of kill or be killed." Valka stated this line which indicates that she knew that Hiccup and her hunsband can die whenever. (As of reality but much more intense I guess, given that they are viking in a universe with existing dragons.)
She can't suddenly hire a pirate or spy around Berk when she tries to learn and understand the dragons. Like you can't exactly work on two at the same time.
The universe of the story is way back of the past. Valka isn't some rich middle aged lady with lots of pet dragons who can hire someone to investigate for her. How can you investigate a preparation for war while having to spy on your family's well being? That definitely needs some super powers.
We gotta consider the setting of the story. Cuz that's when we fucked up defending sides or explaining both sides. You know, it's not like movies are always about the 20th century.
I think that she met dragurr sometime after the first year and so she thought that dragurr would attack bark and,hurt hiccup so she stayed away thinking he would be safer.
That would make sense.
What if Valka isn't really Hiccups mom, it explains why she didn't think of going back and being with her "son" it could be the equivelant of what happened in the book series...
"Dragons raised by bad people do bad things....."
Hiccup Thinking to himself: Oh' Sure! Like I never met the Red Death!
You sounded like brave on some quotes
Edit: brace to brave
Blood does not make you family, it is memories, time spent together, sacrifices. This woman is not Hiccup's mom she is nothing but a stranger.
I think Valka was let off too easily. Like u said at the end, she didn't even bothered to check up on him or anything and she just waltzed back into his life like all was good
She couldn’t kill dragons, but she could kill people?
I assume she killed people because not only is she a Viking, but she’s a Jarl’s wife.
So Valka pretty much left her only son, Hiccup to die.......don’t see anything wrong with that!
There is one thing wrong
The word wrong is wrong
Ur right slooppy than she decides to use a crappy half ass excuse to make it up
She didn't leave him. She got taken by dragons to an unknown land, and not knowing where she was, she couldn't find her way back (also she didn't have a boat).
Jean Arredondo, you’re right. If she really didn’t want Hiccup, she could’ve just sent a dragon to assassinate him or something
If I were hiccup I would have been a lot more angry
Balkan saying I’d thought you’d be safer here probably did mean that dangerous people were following her and she couldn’t return
Toothless missing tail
Valka: OH MY GOD WHO DID THIS TO HIM!?
Hiccup missing leg
Valka: Cool... BUT DID DRAGO HURT TOOTHLESS !!!!
As a mom Valka is my least favorite character in the whole series. Moms are supposed to do anything for their children that's what makes them a mom. I have to agree with this video on Valka.
This movie is more than one animation with dragons and vikings
Is a miracle
Finally! Someone else who understands! I personally hate her character and feel the movie would have been much better without her (it would have made Stoick’s death so much more impactful). And to be honest, other than destroy the trapper’s fort, which we don’t even get to see on screen, she doesn’t do anything (unless you count her delaying Stoick and Hiccup from going home and having the final battle sooner or later depending on whether or not Astrid and the gang still got captured or not). I absolutely loved the first movie and the TV shows, but the second movie might have ruined the rest of the franchise for me. I don’t really have much hope for the third movie now
Stoick the vast
Hiccup the accident
Hiccup The Horrendous*
Maple Shade Hiccup Horrendous Haddock the 3rd*
Oof
Hiccup (red death bane) Haddock 3rd
BETHANY R Redman alteory said valka probably didn't expect a child and Hiccup was probably accidental
She abandoned her family for twenty years to "pursue her dream" like any hippy.
Note
When Valca says "I belived youd be safer if I stayed away" it was in the context on "You and your father nearly died that night, all because I couldnt kill a dragon"
Valca belives that in the end her dragon empathy would hurt Hiccup and Stoic if they stayed in Berk
5:59 is it me or does that look wrong XD
You're Not Alone.
theDANCING ANDtheDREAMING i agree
It’s obvious why Valka likes dragons so much the dragons she loves live in a paradise with a caring and responsible dragon in charge while the ones attacking Berk in the first movie lived in a volcano stuck with a cruel dragon who made them here slaves.
Haha....that Irish accent...
You try too hard.... I'm subscribing......
Lol I was going for Scottish
Either way
The Phantom Menace is an awful movie
Lydia_02 Do you think I care ?
I thought it was Scottish or Nordic.....
Also a thing to note is that if hiccup was three months old her staying away could be responsible for him being “the Runt”.
it always confused me that he was considered the runt even though he didn’t seem significantly smaller than the rest of the kids in his age group, which makes me think that his growth was most likely stunted as a kid as a result of being malnourished as an infant. he was probably starting to grow out of it at the beginning of the first movie and no one had noticed that yet.
Children usually aren’t weened before a year and baby formula wasn’t a thing at the time which meant at best another woman in the village would nurse him during the day while stoick goes about his chiefly duties and he’s being being given bread soaked in water or animal milk at night, or stoick is taking hiccup with him and giving him on of the “milk substitutes” listed above.
I agree! But maybe Hiccup's mom thought she was dangerous because when she tried to help a dragon she would make the Dragon killing Vikings mess up and when they mess up the dragons would take the opportunity to kill them which could kill hiccup! And maybe the reason why she didn't take hiccup with her was because without hiccup being the vikings's leader when hiccup's father died berk would have no leader! Plus she might have thought hiccup was going to turn out like his father! So she thought it be for the best if she stayed away!
Btw when I said that if hiccup's mom thought hiccup would turn out like his father by thinking dragons are bad and should be killed! Just saying cause I kinda made him sound bad
you know the funniest part of all of thisbid that the whole reason she left was because oh look i dont want hiccup to be in danger but yet she doesn't even care hiccup lost his leg
Sad to admit I never thought that much about Valka. It just starts her out as being a dragon advocate when there was nothing set up or explained why she got that point or had that opinion, they've had been under attack by the dragons for generations. the story would have worked just as well if she had been no different then the rest and in the battle saw that situation with Hiccup and realized dragons didn't attack something that wasn't a threat to them. They probably should have kept her as the villain for the second movie
Volca is ok in my book because of many reasons.
1:she said it didn't sit well with her for being away.
2:if she hesitates killing dragons,who to say she'd hesitate killing something MUTCH,MUTCH,worse.
3:draco and the hunter's were probably a constant problem for her when she did try to get back and had to make a choice, eather leave dragons when she knew draco would be killing or go back to your family and village and be told you're nuts after you tell them what you know.
4:she probably didn't know for sure if her family survived the fire.
Well in the comics she is almost like Astrid tough as nails and takes no BS
I think that Valka saw the beawilderbeast's home and immediately knew that she could never truly go back as long as humans fought dragons.
Maybe she never came back to Berk because Berk wouldnt accept her, thats what she mean for Hiccup being safer. When she come back with the dragons, she is 100% sure the viking are gonna go ham on them
She is not a liar she is just trying to protect him
There is something that always struck a chord with me when Valka was talking about the Bewilderbeast:
"We all live under his care and command."
While the bewilderbeast is essentially benevolent, It does have the ability to control dragons. It may well be that with its care comes the command never to leave its sphere of influence. And as an alpha that command would have to be obeyed. I think there is more to it than Valka simply choosing not to return. I don't think she COULD return. If the Alpha commanded his dragons to stay within his sphere of influence, then no dragon would be able to take her back to Berk. She probably wanted very much to go back but there is a lot of ocean between Berk and Itchy Armpit. Pirates and trappers would likely have been the only seafaring humans in the area, and I think she would have been wise to take her chances with the dragons than with them.
I think she resigned herself to a fate of being stuck there and had convinced herself that it was probably for the best. These are the impressions I get when taking all these details into account. Whether they are the impressions the writers intended is a different matter. I think that if she really COULD leave, she would have... If she were a real person and not just a plot device in a cartoon...
She could have taken Hiccup but that probably would have made stoick depressed
Alteori... would you explain the origins of the Dramillion and how its evolutionary track led it to be able to mimic other dragon's breath weapons?
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All I can say to this was that it's pretty much answered in Race to the Edge. Astrid reassures Hiccup when he has a meltdown that no matter what route happened, whether he shot down Toothless or didn't shoot down Toothless, Hiccup and Berk would be in the same place they are now because it's how it was meant to be. Which makes me accept why Valka never returned even if her excuses were meh, it wasn't her fate to stop the DragonxBerk war. It was Hiccups, Hiccup was meant to be in Berk until the DragonxBerk war was over, not with Valka and the rescued dragons. Valka was meant to stay with Cloudjumper and the Bewilderbeast fighting off Drago and his dragon army until Hiccup came to the next stage of where he's meant to play a part in, to stop Drago and his tyranny. Now with HTTYD 3, will come the last and final stage of Hiccup finding his place with his fate fulfilled. It's not so much about Valka's poor excuses for never coming back to her son, it's all about Hiccup, Hiccup was meant to live his first stages of youth with his father, Stoick, who helped shape him into a Chief, and now he is meant to live his adulthood with his mother Valka, who will help Hiccup learn everything about the dragon part of his life. He is now fit to lead Berk, and we'll just have to wait for HTTYD 3 to see what happens further in the dragon part of his life. (: to answer the question "what was the real reason she stayed away from Hiccup?" Fate. It's where Valka was meant to be, a dragon vigilante on the back of Cloudjumper with the help of a Bewilderbeast, rescuing dragons from the dangerous threats outside of Berk. We've only seen a taste of what dangers Valka has been through and seen. And now that her Bewilderbeast is dead, she now follows Hiccup and Toothless, the new alphas (: like I said, this will all continue in HTTYD 3.
yep this sounds like what the writer may have planned as he really is the only one that knows his imagination
Just want to highlight this from what you said:
"Hiccup was meant to live his first stages of youth with his father, Stoick, who helped shape him into a Chief..."
If Valka had taken him away as a baby, this would never happen.
:)
opsatr That was my point lol he was meant to live his early life with Stoick if it wasn't meant to be that way then Valka would have come back and taken Hiccup. Even Hiccup himself admitted in deleted scenes that he was safer without his mom. It was meant to be that way.
Crae Kings I didn't say you didn't mention it. :P I merely extracted the line from your text to highlight it. For the sake of those who are averse to reading big blocks of text. ;) I, too, write very long, and sometimes get a TLDR comment. :P
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I doubt that she didn't want to be a wife and mother, but I agree with you on most other points. It has been a while since I've seen the movie, but from what I recall, it seemed that her opinions regarding the dragons were the only things that really set her apart from the rest and she did rush to Hiccup's defense when she thought Cloudjumper was going to harm him. Beyond that, she probably did convince herself that her staying away from Berk was better for everyone, better for Hiccup, as an excuse to justify that she had found her calling and then tried to pass it onto Hiccup when she was finally confronted with what her absence had wrought.
I dont think she was lying
me too.
Same
What else do you think she did?
Yeah
holy heck your accent at 4:27 is hella good
ARE U HER VOICE ACTOR OR SOMETHING?! SHE SOUNDED LIKE U xdxd
I don't hate Valka or anything, but I found it a little strange that she has no personal questions for her son who she hasn't seen in almost twenty one years! Hey how's you're father? Are you the chief yet? How is Berk? What happened to your leg? NOPE
Oh yes yes Dragon, we live in peace with the alpha dragons dragons
And considering hiccup was twenty one, maybe a natural question would have been, "Are you married?" "Do you have a girlfriend?" Do you know how much I would have loved to see a flustered Hiccup talk about how he's betrothed to a badass warrior? Even just for half a second.
How could tooth less meet the light fury and hiccup top that with your story her lying she's a hermit for 20 years so it's obvious that she may have a little love for hiccup but not much
I love your impression of a Scottish accent. It's one of my favorite accents.
Not defending her decision to stay away without even checking on her son but another reason she could have had to not go back is... how?
She is miles and miles from Berk and the dragon(s) that brought her there might not have wanted to go back to where all the fighting was in order to bring her back. Yes she is later seen riding Cloudjumper but would he really bring his rider somewhere where she would be in danger from attacking dragons and he would be a target of hostile Vikings and friendly fire from other dragons?
She can make those dragons do anything, just like Hiccup discovered their nuances. Cloudjpr would have taken her back.
I know, but it's another excuse if Hiccup said that her original reason wasn't good enough.
Another reason could be that she didn't think that she would fit in, because she thought that everyone else hunted dragons except for her.
I have a new theory for you.
You problaby know the HTTYD 2 shene when Valka reveals a new ability of Toothless?
Valka is hiding somthing definaly true because how did she knew Toothless was the last of his kind?
Quz if tou saved dragons 20 years long it woud be weard if she didn't find another Night fury. Weard right?
Mayby you should make a theory about that.
Marvel's disneydream universe
Did you have a heart attack writing this comment?
Ascending Feather Warriorcats no but it is kinda mind blowing right?
Marvel's disneydream universe Fix. Your. English.
"You probably know the HTTYD 2 scene of when Valka reveals a new ability of Toothless'?
Valka is definitely hiding something, that much is true. Because how else did she know Toothless was the last of his kind?
Because if you've been saving dragons for 20 long ass years, it would be weird if she didn't find another Night Fury after all that time. It'd be weird right? Maybe you should make a theory about that."
X.P. -Xavier Poll- i know sorry for my bad english i am not english.
I knew somthing was wrong about my comment but i didn't knew what.
Hmm. We've discussed that here. She has been out with these dragons as long as Hiccup was alive essentially so she must know quite a bit.
I think there are too many things people don't take into consideration when thinking about Valka's decision to stay away.
First; I give EVERY bet that this decision did not come overnight. Just like Hiccup, she was probably scared of the dragons first, determined to kill or be killed, possibly howling at them to take her back to her family, to her son. It probably took several weeks, possibly months to warm up to the dragons at all. Sure, Hiccup took far less time, but he was getting to know one isolated dragon entirely on his terms, while Valka was stuck in a cave with dozens, if not hundreds of them.
The second development would have to be that, after she warmed up to dragons, she learned how to communicate with them and ride them. This probably took several months as well. One thing we saw in HTTYD 1 is that many dragons don't like being ridden (see Toothless throwing Hiccup off his tail), so who knows how long just the convincing work took? In all this time, she would warm up to dragons, learn about them, befriend them, get comfortable in this new life. But still, her main goal would be to get back to her son. (it's also here she learns of the dragon trappers)
Only later in this development would doubts creep in. She'd get back to her village. Then what? The villagers hate dragons, the series has made it clear they belief dragon can manipulate and hypnotize people. Stoick himself was one of the biggest dragon haters in the city. It was as she said, "what evidence did I have that you would ever change"? Even if the - to her - very small possibility that Stoick accepted her back came to be, the rest of the village would probably scorn her. And even if they didn't, she would never be able to go back to the life she had in a village that waged war with the dragons she had come to love.
And here's where "Hiccup would be safer" comes in. This is a village where dragons wage war, it's very probable that many kids grew up missing family members. Hiccup would only be one of many. But with a mother that is basically an outcast of the village, its shame? In viking mythology, this is worse than death, as an honorable death in fight will get you into Valhalla. It's the viking equivalent to having a mother who is a pedophile or domestic abuser or something along those lines, the worst possible option to have. Not to mention how clouded Valka's judgement would now be when the dragons attack again.
So after she warmed up to the dragons, befriended them and learned how to ride them, a half a year to a year has passed, she can finally go home and when she sees her village, she's torn. This is development number three. She would constantly be changing her mind. "They're all better off without me", changes to "my son needs his mother and Stoick is the love of my life, he'll accept me". So she flies back, her nerves get to her again, and it changes back to "they're better off without me". This can go on for who knows how long and at some point, development number four happens.
There's the guilt. She knows she should go back, but her indecision keeps her from doing anything and so, the bad scenarios in her head that keep her from taking action multiply. Now it's not the dragons fault anymore, now it's hers. Now, Hiccup will have developed from a toddler to a child and he will never forgive her for missing it and neither will Stoick. Now, she has no reason to have stayed away anymore, but she did it anyways and how could she do such a thing? And the more and heavier the guilt gets, the harder it is to face the consequences. In our day and age especially, when it's easier and more common than ever to just hide away in your room, isn't it so relatable to run away from whatever problems you caused and whatever responsibilities you need to face in life? Is it really so hard to imagine it's always been that way, especially for an oddball like Valka, who has never fit in with her environment?
Next is the acceptance. At some point, the dragons, especially cloud jumper, have become her children as well. She loves them as much as she loves her son and her husband and there's no way she could willingly abandon them. She's already been gone for so long, Hiccup would probably be swinging his first little axe around, playing 'kill the dragon' with the other little villagers. They must all think she's dead. They must have all accepted it and moved. She should do the same thing. The dragons are now her family, her children, her reason for life. She's not proud of the decision, it weighs heavy on her heart and she wished she could change things, but she had the decision between 'terrible' and 'awful' and either way, she would be leaving someone behind who needed her, as well as a part of herself. But it's a decision that needed to be made and there's no turning back.
Lastly, she becomes comfortable. Yes, now and only now , probably two to three years after her abduction, does she start to lighten up again, to become happy again and truly learn to enjoy this new life of hers and appreciate all it has to offer. Here's where your arguments of 'she loves this new life' first starts applying. But she is still a mother and still a wife. She never forgot Hiccup and never forgot Stoick.
So then why didn't she grab Hiccup once she realized that dragons are good creatures? At best, by the time she made the decision to stay once and for all, at the very best a year and half has past, so Hiccup would be around two years old. Stoick already lost Valka, could he really bear losing his only child as well? Not to mention, she was thoroughly convinced that people do not change and that some people are just born different. Before actually meeting Hiccup at the age of 20, this thought probably sounded more like 'I am just born different'. Keep in mind that the only people she had met at this point where traders who feared dragons, people who fought dragons and people who trapped dragons. The thought that Hiccup might be like her, judging by the way she interacted with him in the movie, must have never even crossed her mind. To her, a son born of the strong Stoick the vast would be a natural dragon killer and what logic bringing a natural dragon killer into a dragon sanctuary. And even IF she thought he might be like her, as said, he would be two years old at the time. Stoick and him would be close, she would rip Stoick's only family away from him AND Hiccup would already be downed in the ways of berk. One wrong dragon hating move from him and one of her friends would fry him right then and there.
Now after all this, I'm not saying that staying away was the right decision to make, but these are the kinds of things going on in the mind of someone in this position. A lot of very similar stuff was happening to Hiccup when he befriended Toothless (it was never stated, but the torment in his head was all over his face) and while some of these excuses started off with lying to herself, lying eventually turned into convincing and she started to believe her own lies. And if someone believes their own lies, can it really still be called lying? And do we, as the movie-goer, really know if her decision was the right or the wrong one? If she had made another decision and it would have been revealed in the second movie that it was the wrong one, we would have shouted the same thing; "what a terrible mother". The moment Valka hesitated on going back, she lost any chance of redemption in many people's eyes, probably even Hiccup's and Stoick's as well, and she was aware of that, another small addition to add to the torment of making a decision. Valka didn't know what the right move to do was and neither do we. In the end, she decided on one and stuck to it and I think that's already more than we can say for most people today.
Also, yes, once she realized that she WAS forgiven by the people she wanted to be forgiven by and that the village HAD changed and she no longer HAD to give up on the dragons to be with her family, I think she really DID want to go back. Why would she not, it was probably better than any ideal situation she had ever dreamed up in her head.
Okay, huge post. Thank you to anybody taking the time to read this.
How was Valka supposed to get Hiccup off of Berk? Build a ship? That would take super long to build, with just one person. By the time she had a boat, for all she knew, Hiccup could be a young dragon killer. She can't fly, any dragon would be attacked, especially one heading for the chiefs hut. I think that in HTTYD 3 Valka might have some character development.
That’s not what she is saying
Expound.
Ok her plan is beleivable but i don't think she's EVIL
Why did Valka abduct Hiccup to begin with? What reason would she have to do that?
Because she thought that he was one of dragoes workers or drago himself there is a line in the clip
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It's likely that most of the human contact she's had for the last 20 years were with dragon hunters and trappers. She must have thought Toothless needed saving and she must take him away from this human enslaving him. But Hiccup's actions inside the chamber (calming the other dragons with his fire sword, etc.) puzzled her. And when she had Toothless brought in, their interaction surprised her as well.
The rest is history. :P
i didnt by her excuse at all but i had no excuse not to so i let it slide....luckily i found your channel yesterday!
I honestly relate to Valka even more, having a literal dragon sanctuary seems way better than changing diapers and listening to s noisy little child all day. And yes, this is why I don't plan on having children
Valka would have to clean up after several dragons though.
Thanks for the video. Erm... this became an essay my bad. I just recently adopted the HTTYD fandom. I avoided it because I loved Valga and didn't want to understand her staying away. When I saw the movie I thought it was a slight allegory to mental illness but better yet, how some people are simply against the grain. Her curiosity of dragons trumped her feelings of protectiveness to her own baby, and barely reacted to the Cloudjumper giving Hiccup his scar. Thinking Hiccup would have been safer away from her meant she grew older thinking there was something wrong with her.
"Cloudjumper felt like I belonged with [the dragons]," she said. And she after finding she could be herself with the dragons stayed. Hiccup should have had some bitterness yes... but he is his mother's son and is more understanding than many because of his shared disposition with her. When his mother told him "All this time you took after me," really shook me to my core. Hiccup was just as ostracized for his curiosity of dragons as his mum, and for being very non-Viking. Even before she had Hiccup it seemed that she was trying to change Stoic's mind about dragons and was failing. She did apologize for being an absent mum and asked Hiccup for another chance.
For someone to be away for twenty years second-guessing themselves, doubting, and thinking something is wrong with them, no wonder she did not return. She, as the first we know who went against the grain, was never sure until she saw her own flesh, Hiccup, affirming her beliefs, and the entire village at that. Her meeting Stoic again was such an emotional payoff too, to realize that feelings of love was still there beneath it all and despite their differences. I was worried because of how her tone sounded when she said, "What did your father think of your Night Fury friend?" because it meant that she seeks - still seeks - the heartbreaking part after all this time - Stoic's acceptance as well of her - and was probably another reason she stayed away. He rejected "her" [gestures to all of her] like he rejected "Hiccup" [gestures to all of Hiccup]. And Valga didn't have CloudJumper at that time like Hiccup had Toothless, worth convincing anyone of jack. If you watch the scene where Valga and Stoic reunites again her beautiful femininity is displayed just as when she meets Hiccup. She needs to be part of that family just as she needs to be herself. Yeah she was confused and selfish, but I'm grateful for grey characters like these, Stoic too.
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theDANCING ANDtheDREAMING heyo
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Cian Jacob sorry but I have to go with Natsuki, at least she's not *on the edge* like Yuri
you nailed the accent lol
and yes, being surrounded by at least a thousand dragons and an ultra-powerful bewilderbeast is the safest place to be unless achnologia is around... in that case it's the most dangerous place to be
This review is greatly biased and accusing not to include the reviewer is unaware of her bit emotional burst at a point I'm generally disliking her(hope he's not male sounded like female H.P.s)
#1 I get into the characters' feelings. :)
#2 Sorry, you dislike me. Since I am the voice, I must bear the burden of either being hated or loved. Tis a heavy burden lol. :)
#3 It wasn't a review, it was a theory.
#4 Thank you so much for voicing how you feel.
We really enjoy hearing your different perspectives.
Theory is something that is made up based on knowledge upon solving a problem. Since topic 'Hiccup's mother is a liar' is a point of probability of why she nurse wounded dragons over nursing the son of her beloved husband which in favour of his short viewed villagers which resulting the movie scene you highlight it's more of a critic than a theory well since you are blaming The Mother.
Please take note I only watch half of your critic since I dislike one who raise their voice pitch to a high tone be it either lad, lass, hey or less be ant.
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This movie has a lot of changes in production. Previously they have idea of Valka being a warrior with PTSD. Someone who lost herself in endless fighting for dragons, someone tired and destroyed.
Vulga is a great mom
Who is Vulga? A leather-wearing-potty-mouthed woman?
Valka not so much bit vulga? She da best
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Alteori LOL
Robert Cook did you not watch the video
1.Maybe she couldn't leave
2.just enjoy the movie
3. If i were hiccup i would understand that i would be safer without her cuz if she can't kill a dragon she can't protect him
Shes a liar (i still think she is oke)
MBC 3 watchers be like: nO sHe wOuLd nEVer vALka iS a gOod mOtHer
THE VOICE ACTOR IS TRYING TO MAKE HER SEEM BAD xD
I think something that was overlooked in this was how Valka may have been treated by the tribe growing up and/or before she was taken, we know that Hiccup took after her so it wouldn't be a stretch that she was treated similarly to how Hiccup was before the first movie, this could influence her choice to not come back just look at how Stoick and the rest of the tribe reacted when Hiccup was getting friendly with a dragon, to add to that Valka had believed there was another way before she was taken and they considered her mad then would only become more exaggerated.
all that being said good video
I say she didn’t know how to get back. When she was carried away from Berk, she look like she was more focused on getting out than tracking were she was going, so when she could ride back, she didn’t know how to get back. So she accepted her fate, and soon her love for dragons overtook her.
It might have also been because in the final episode of Dragons: Race to the Edge Hiccup had found a Bilwilderbeast egg under Berserker Island. The egg was then given to the Wingmaidens to find someone suitable to watch and care for the egg. The egg was given to *presumably* Valka because the end scene is the egg on a rock when a woman in her dragon armor jumping up and taking the egg. So she basically raised the bilwilderbeast i think? Which is a reason why she didn't come back?
I thought of it as " my belief contradicts Berks belief and that nearly got my son and husband killed, so I'm going to stay away because if I go back home and there is a dragon raid again I'm most likely do the same thing as last time and hiccup and stoick might get killed"
But hey, that's just my opinion
But if u remember hiccup's dad would not have let his son go with dragons thinking they were evil. He would just think his mom was crazy
you got a good viking accent