I don't see 50,000 when I look at this bike. Where's the money? Not in the materials or hardware unless the motor coils are gold wire wrap. Does it fly or something I didn't see? This is clearly a hobby and not a business nor do they actually want to sell this. The way he came up with the price I believe is: he makes a high income currently and if you want his time and expertise you'll have to pay him more then he makes now to offset time lost. That's why doctors rarely mow there own lawn, it's more cost effective to pay 30$ out sourced then spending an hour getting dirty when you make $400hr. I'd rather go in to work for an hour and make $400 less the $30 to have it done then keep the $370 differance. He's smart, that's why he has one and we're day dreaming.
its the cost of 3d printing metals that size. the power is quite expensive, then they have to process the powder and do some sintering to get it into a cohesive metal state. if you see the machine time cost of all that, it adds up pretty quick, especially for a part that size.
@David Blomdahl We're also not seeing the development time. People had to use a CAD program and design all those parts, print them, test them, refine them to fix issues, print, test, etc etc... If it took a team of 5 engineers a month to build the prototype (and it probably took more people and time than this), that's a minimum of 600-800 hours total human time we need to pay for. If they make 20 euro an hour, we've already hit 12,000 to 15,000, and we haven't even considered the cost of machines, material, facility, power, etc.
Funny thing is that we already did this in Taiwan years ago with a top speed of over 100km/hr. We are more low tech so the frame was CNC and welded not this laser sintered high tech organic scheisse shape. In total it was a couple thousand US dollars and some spare time and no one was hurt in the process.
With 50000 Euros you can get an electric motorcycle with 20 kWh worth of batteries and over 300 kmph top speed and still have a couple of thousand Euros left to buy solar panels.
eternitynaut for developing costs this amount is peanuts. It is one year salary. What do you think a car would cost if there are only 30 sold. You would be talking millions.
Any car? Would you really spend millions to buy an Escort? Or Corolla? Or Yugo? Are you really going to spend millions for some crappy car when you have two-dozen other models that cost 1000th the price to choose from?
Seems cool, but it's way too limited for that cost. It looks like it only accommodates 1 rider, can't do highway speeds, and has a sub-100 mile range. What's the point? You could build an electric bicycle for 1/10 the cost with similar specs, or you could get a Zero electric motorcycle for $10-13k that is an actual motorcycle capable of 100 mph and 100+ mile range
its a question of strapping on a bigger motor and a bigger battery, that frame doesnt look like its even nearing its limitations. i'm guessing the didn't want to deal with trying to get it road certified, so for a prototype they just kept the specs under the limits.
Do this with a quad, using compressed air cylinders & a pneumatic motor. I bet it'd also be a hot item, and it'd be even more environmentally friendly than electric.
i can imagine that design could be optimized even further by using a graphene superstructure instead of 3d printed ABS, but then again heavier motorcycles are much safer than bikes that are lighter than the passengers, simple physics.
Long term, ABS has no chance to survive in 3D printing. It's not safe to extrude in domestic and office environment, it produces obnoxious fumes and high particulates, and it's easily replaced by the much safer PETG. PETG is in turn easily transformed into lower grade polyesters such as household fabrics, same as currently done with drink bottles. On the other hand, many mass produced household items will still be made from ABS, this is nearly the cheapest and by far most popular plastic for household objects, and will land in landfills and burned up in stoves because of aging issues and overproduction. ABS is not long term stable, it becomes brittle with time, and it also degrades during the process of extrusion. Still I guess shredded prints can be used well for less critical injection molded parts. PLA will probably remain relevant for a long time, but it's not a major problem, it breaks down like plant and animal tissue. But all plastics can be burned in stoves and energy almost the same as from tar or oil of similar volume can be reclaimed, so I think utilization issue isn't all that big, the main issue is collecting the plastics. Of course it's better if it can be reused for new material instead, much more energy efficient and less emissions than making fresh material out of oil, but in the grand scheme of things it's unimportant compared to the amount of oil burned in vehicles, so that should be a priority.
And it has enough holes for all the bike locks you'll need to put on it! It's perfect
How about printing a wax frame and do a lost wax casting? You also don't need to weld, if you put the small wax parts together before...
I don't see 50,000 when I look at this bike. Where's the money? Not in the materials or hardware unless the motor coils are gold wire wrap. Does it fly or something I didn't see? This is clearly a hobby and not a business nor do they actually want to sell this. The way he came up with the price I believe is: he makes a high income currently and if you want his time and expertise you'll have to pay him more then he makes now to offset time lost. That's why doctors rarely mow there own lawn, it's more cost effective to pay 30$ out sourced then spending an hour getting dirty when you make $400hr. I'd rather go in to work for an hour and make $400 less the $30 to have it done then keep the $370 differance. He's smart, that's why he has one and we're day dreaming.
its the cost of 3d printing metals that size. the power is quite expensive, then they have to process the powder and do some sintering to get it into a cohesive metal state. if you see the machine time cost of all that, it adds up pretty quick, especially for a part that size.
@David Blomdahl In English the words THEIR and THERE are spelled differently because they mean different things.
@David Blomdahl We're also not seeing the development time. People had to use a CAD program and design all those parts, print them, test them, refine them to fix issues, print, test, etc etc...
If it took a team of 5 engineers a month to build the prototype (and it probably took more people and time than this), that's a minimum of 600-800 hours total human time we need to pay for. If they make 20 euro an hour, we've already hit 12,000 to 15,000, and we haven't even considered the cost of machines, material, facility, power, etc.
@@laizalott that's understandable...and it's the first one of its kind.
Thank you for the brush up on my English. I don't see the relevance though.
Funny thing is that we already did this in Taiwan years ago with a top speed of over 100km/hr. We are more low tech so the frame was CNC and welded not this laser sintered high tech organic scheisse shape. In total it was a couple thousand US dollars and some spare time and no one was hurt in the process.
With 50000 Euros you can get an electric motorcycle with 20 kWh worth of batteries and over 300 kmph top speed and still have a couple of thousand Euros left to buy solar panels.
eternitynaut for developing costs this amount is peanuts. It is one year salary. What do you think a car would cost if there are only 30 sold. You would be talking millions.
For 50k you could build a 3d printer large enough to print your own! :)
@@jsmythib
The only problem will be the patented aluminum alloy or are there alternatives?
So poor can't buy a bike idiot stupid crazy insane and poor do you live on road ah😂👑🗾
Any car? Would you really spend millions to buy an Escort? Or Corolla? Or Yugo? Are you really going to spend millions for some crappy car when you have two-dozen other models that cost 1000th the price to choose from?
Seems cool, but it's way too limited for that cost. It looks like it only accommodates 1 rider, can't do highway speeds, and has a sub-100 mile range. What's the point? You could build an electric bicycle for 1/10 the cost with similar specs, or you could get a Zero electric motorcycle for $10-13k that is an actual motorcycle capable of 100 mph and 100+ mile range
its a question of strapping on a bigger motor and a bigger battery, that frame doesnt look like its even nearing its limitations. i'm guessing the didn't want to deal with trying to get it road certified, so for a prototype they just kept the specs under the limits.
50,000 smackaroos, are you people off your rockers.
Thumbs up for using "Pazzo!" by the Pet Shop Boys at 2:13
Do this with a quad, using compressed air cylinders & a pneumatic motor. I bet it'd also be a hot item, and it'd be even more environmentally friendly than electric.
NON! why bother at this price, even a 10th of that is too high!
aluminum? is a 1.20 a pound a machinist/ fabricator could make a aluminum bike for less then 2k.
With that money i'll make a 3d printer and buy a lot of carbon fiber filament to make hundreds of bikes...
€50,000? insane.
seems the smarter thing to do is buy a printer for 10,000 another 2,000 for tires, motor and so on and boom, you got one for 12,000
it takes people to heaven too
But what happens if you wreck it? Did they take into consideration the impacts and stresses the frame will take when it's hit?
Motorcycles in general don't fare too well in an impact...they're completely destroyed just about every single time.
i can imagine that design could be optimized even further by using a graphene superstructure instead of 3d printed ABS, but then again heavier motorcycles are much safer than bikes that are lighter than the passengers, simple physics.
I want one!!!🏍🏍🏍
Very interesting design. Looks almost nature made.
Its because it is !!! All the ''natural force'' put on the material was kept and those that dont need to be there were removed
Not the neatest welding joints...
Also seams* to defeat the coolness of the super strong design.
the welds should be stronger then the material used.
I'm sure a grinder will fix that right up
and how long did it take to 'print' the frame I wonder. Days
50,000 euros?? well Ive got a 3D printed doorknob to sell you for $800
In which software it is designed
Beautiful all in all, but those nasty welds 😜
With that price, I can buy a BRAND NEW V8 Ford MUSTANG with LOTS OF POWER!!!!! And have money LEFT OVER!
realy shoking
Can I download the files
35kg? put that elect motor on a bicycle.. done
What's the fun in that! I can also hold a motor and run, but it won't be much fun!
With that money you could by any bike you wanted
how long it took to make
€50,000. I suspect would only be the prototype. A production bike would HAVE to cost less than 1/4 of that. Any more & no one will buy it.
*3D printed frame (not motorcycle).
bleh, an ebike cost a fraction.
0:48 3d print can welded?
Why is it so expensive?
Because it's a prototype.
@@dweuromaxx Oh sry Thanks :-)
How many did they actually sell sell? How many real living buyers are there?
5o thousand Euro, how many Pizzas can I buy with that?
bro sooooooo nice
Thank you so much 😀
Price please sir
@Tarun D U See for yourself 03:53 (Status 2016)
You could by Harley livewire
Qual material usado na impressão dessa motocicleta?
Key word Electric
those breaks are of a push bike
I think poor people in Cape Town would appreciate "$35" "$50" euros.
I love when someone says "3D printed" while he only print 1 part and rest is normal...
50k? That would buy you 2 s1000rr
and you're still getting an electric bicycle rather than a fully fledged motorcycle
Have I lost my mind to buy this bike 🗿 shit I can buy 3 to 4 bikes in this price🏦🔚
what song is in the back
At the beginning and at the end it's "This is what you came for", instrumental version by Calvin Harris/ fab
Rock shocks you’re kidding That’s an electric bicycle don’t embarrass yourself
6 kilo frame? heavy.
I hope someone is thinking how to solve the plastic pollution problem that 3d printing is going to produce.
I hope that u know, that great part of 3D printing material is biodegradable PLA.
+Artur Szczeparski i do now, thanks.
+Artur Szczeparski yeah but ABS isn't biodegradable.
shred it and extrude it back into filament?
Long term, ABS has no chance to survive in 3D printing. It's not safe to extrude in domestic and office environment, it produces obnoxious fumes and high particulates, and it's easily replaced by the much safer PETG. PETG is in turn easily transformed into lower grade polyesters such as household fabrics, same as currently done with drink bottles.
On the other hand, many mass produced household items will still be made from ABS, this is nearly the cheapest and by far most popular plastic for household objects, and will land in landfills and burned up in stoves because of aging issues and overproduction. ABS is not long term stable, it becomes brittle with time, and it also degrades during the process of extrusion. Still I guess shredded prints can be used well for less critical injection molded parts.
PLA will probably remain relevant for a long time, but it's not a major problem, it breaks down like plant and animal tissue.
But all plastics can be burned in stoves and energy almost the same as from tar or oil of similar volume can be reclaimed, so I think utilization issue isn't all that big, the main issue is collecting the plastics. Of course it's better if it can be reused for new material instead, much more energy efficient and less emissions than making fresh material out of oil, but in the grand scheme of things it's unimportant compared to the amount of oil burned in vehicles, so that should be a priority.
next up ....a 3d printed F1 car!
Of course it’s Germany
77 pounds
50 miles per hour
what the fuck are the doing comparing the weight of a harley to a glorified bicycle? thing literally has bicycle wheels
€50,000 Christ you can get a Tesla for less.
Not a motorcycle....a toy
Open your eyes Hun
50000 Euros ? I would by a Tesla Model 3...
This is just a over-glorified bicycle with an electric motor.
And I would buy an electric Mercedes.
Printed but still welden bs
50k ha i bought a tesla
I want it.everyone tall me about .what day it express worldwide.
its a stupid looking ebike? for 50 g