Marathons philosophy and Durandals ambition. Bungie's Marathon lore.
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- In this video we examined Durandal, the most important character in Bungie's Marathons story.
With Marathon Bungie created a really dense lore full of subtext. In this video we dig deep to understand Durandals perspective, and begin to explore where the logical conclusion of these ideas lead us. We explore Durandals hopes, ambitions and philosophy, and how these ideas relate to the broader Marathon story told by Bungie in the Marathon trilogy of games.
The AI Durandal is arguably the main character of the Marathon game franchise, having a key role in every game, and being the namesake of Marathon:Durandal. We also subtly veer into some wild speculation near the end. Speculation that is supported by Marathons lore. With Marathon Bungie created a franchise that has influenced much of what they've created since. The character from Marathon subsequently inspired A.Is from Halo.
We also hint at how these ideas might relate to other ideas explored by Bungie in Halo.
"Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:"-Isaiah 42:5
A special thanks is deserved for Mandalore Gaming for introducing more people to the Marathon games and story.
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"Thus says God, the Lord, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and what comes from it, who gives breath to the people on it and spirit to those who walk in it:" -Isaiah 42:5
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Never thought I'd run across a RUclips channel that covers Marathon's lore in such great detail and production value. Super cool. Thank you!
Glad you enjoy it!
As I wrote under the video by The Examined Life (of Gaming) about Marathon Infinity:
"I think Greg Kirkpatrick is a precursor of Yoko Taro. Many themes, the philosophical, literary & psychological references, the meta-narrative, some of the writing in the Marathon trilogy and the usage of alternate timelines in Infinity remind me of the Drakengard & NieR saga. The only other first person shooter that ever gave me those things is EYE Divine Cybermancy, by Streum On."
So, I recommend the Drakengard & NieR saga (especially the NieR games, while the Drakengard games are not as good to play), E.Ψ.Ǝ: Divine Cybermancy and also Pathways into Dakrness (now in a beautiful Aleph One version) for their themes.
Cool recommendations, I should check those out some time.
I know it'll never happen, but I would yeet my wallet at Bungie if they ever remastered the Marathon trilogy.
Looks like it’s time to throw your wallet
@@beardedcat9744since they are gonna reboot it as an extraction shooter I think our friend can still change his mind about that ahahaha
@@gabgab5437 Nah, I spoke with Bungie. They said it's too late to call the deal off. Get to yeeting.
At least we're getting a Steam release of Marathon.
@@tomtheconqerur That's good enough in my eyes. The Aleph One devs have already done a fantastic job keeping the Marathon experience smooth by modern standards
Man, totally mind-blowing. I think I am connecting many dots as to the several Bungie universes and how they're connected. I believe the Marathon symbol has this meaning; closure of one universe (Marathon), giving birth to another one (Halo), and yet another one (Destiny), but none of those last two closed as yet.
Interestingly enough, destiny’s latest story has a raid boss with a pyramid ship that was found in a swampy looking location.
But now, that original universe is open again.
Marathon handled rampancy way better than what 343 did with Cortana.
Look at all the ethical and existential philosophical matters hidden under the skin of a shooty-killy-alien-gooey game from the nineties! Great content and editing, my dude. I hope you keep these coming :3
Dude......what the fuck🤯 I knew Bungie were great writers, and Marathon holds a special place in my heart despite never finishing one, but that video is great. I'll rewatch it at least twice more.
The text at the end regarding the The Didact, "Primodial" or "Timeless one" and The Flood. WHAT!? Epic tie in to later Bungie works❤
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I love how the outro is like a mini theory about how all the bungie games are connected by this primordial evil
they are
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They are. The battle between Light and Dark, the Nine, the Eternal Warrior. Repeating universes with the same concepts ever present.
Hope you enjoy the video. I have another one coming out soon revolving around a theory i've had since 07-08. It might be controversial...although i'm pretty sure its correct.
Didn’t give it much of a thought before but I heard someone’s theory about Halo and whatnot as it relates to this. Anyway
@@senormoo4749 It's already been pretty much confirmed in easter eggs that there is some connection from Marathon to Destiny so it's a possibility. I know Bungie has said that Marathon and Halo aren't connected but eeeeeh, might just have said that because the IP was officially owned by Microsoft by that point. Doesn't mean that wasn't the original intention.
@Pfhunkie Yeah definitely, also can't forget all those Marathon symbols and references. If Bungie didn't even want to put ODSTs into Halo 2 in the first place (MS did), then it's curious they also put the Marathon symbol on them. Also Cortana herself is basically a reference to Durandl. Even the level/world design like in the Halo control room. They were definitely trying to tell us something it seems. :)
I don't think they ever said Halo and Marathon weren't connected. They might of said that the two franchises took place in different universes however. But then again can we confidently say that Marathon:Durandal and Marathon Infinitys final timeline technically take place in the same universe? Do the entities at the end of the final Infinity terminal survive? If so where do they go? Where did the timeless creatures in Primordial space come from?
@@Ghostvirus Tried looking for it as I remember it being said in interviews but I think it's been lost with time. All I can find are people referring back to it and they use the words "Bungie said they don't take place in the same universe" which, upon thinking about it, is a very tongue in cheek hint that says this theory might be right.
I like how Bungie games focus on the Cycle of Death and Rebirth to Avoid or Create a reality. And it can be found across Marathon, Halo, and Destiny. Where Destiny 2 is reaching it final “Shape” story from the time I’m writing this.
Halo is Infinite in Fractured realities and the catering of life.
I wonder if Destiny and Halo are also Splinters of Marathon…
Great content and you should do a video about marathon Easter eggs in other Bungie games
Great video! You can actually learn more about Halo from Marathon fans than actual Halo fans.
Thank you sir. To be fair I am both a Halo fan and a Marathon fan. That brings with it a unique perspective, but others have their own unique perspectives as well. :P
Really enjoying the content thanks
Thanks for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed it.
Did you study philosophy in school
Pretty late to the party, but do you think that Tycho was maybe fully aware of the presence of the W’rkncacnters and that was what would bring about his ultimate plan? We see in marathon infinity that the presence of just one of them is enough to distort time and space and causes the cyborg to relive multiple timelines over and over again. Maybe Tycho realized that by sacrificing stars, he would be releasing them and they would repeatedly reset the universe
aw HECK! i love this vid! i was just yellin' about how no one's really talking about Marathon, and i am bonkers happy to be Extremely Wrong on that point!
there is something about bungie games, something that once you know it, it changes you forever
Marathon have the all hallmarks of good story telling. It raises a plethora of good questions.
Hope you enjoyed the video. I have more Marathon videos on my channel. A video summary of Myth: The Fallen Lords, and a Destiny lore video available to watch if you're interested! New marathon lore video. I forgot what I was supposed to write!
ruclips.net/video/IbvEglCKsC0/видео.html
"These two AIs have two radically different visions for the future of the universe"
Me, a Destiny player: intredesting
yo why is the harsh transition from "the comet was a god and our anxiety is its nightmares" to youtube outro hope you liked this video so SUS
I want to play these Marathon games a lot more but I find them challenging with the puzzles. Any tips?
Also fantastic video! I love seeing this kind of depth for Marathon dude, keep it up! =)
Thanks for the compliment! There are a few puzzles in the first game that can be a tad jarring. Especially the one on colony ship for sale. I wouldn't blame you for looking up a guide for the specific level you're having difficulties with.
But as far as general advice I guess just try to scan the environment to make sure you're aware of the location of all of the switches, sometimes they're up high and easy to miss. Figure out where you have to go. Make sure you understand what each individual switch is doing. Toy around with it to try to figure it out. Many switches used in puzzles in Marathon 1 are timed, so once you're confident you've hit the right switches make sure you move fast. Hope the advice helps. Best wishes.
@@Ghostvirus Have to say now that I'm getting more into the game, this is like the most fun thing ever! How they made such a fun game back then is beyond me. Well, maybe it was a better time for games. Was into Doom back then, but this is where it's at!
Also thanks, the tips help. :)
Tycho dreams of becoming truly immortal, Durandal wants to be truly in control.
Also, I am of the opinion that Pathways is not in the same Universe as Marathon, they just share a character in the Jjaro. My reasoning being the large difference in the way in which they help people stop the W'rkncacnter. In Pathways they actively reached out to humans with a holographic message with words and messages directly from the Jjaro. In MI all that happens is that the Jjaro station activates, which may have been due in part to outside stimuli besides the W'rkncacnter, and then the tech in that station is what causes the Security Officer to jump timelines in order to find the "correct" one (Greg Kirkpatrick confirmed the timeline jumps were the Jjaro's tech responding to the sentience of a near-by creature, presumable the SO. The source for that is an interview GK did with Hamish Sinclair, I've re-posted the text below:
HS: The Infinity manual provides us with the first indication that everything is not as it seems. The M2 events at Lh'owon have been rewritten and Durandal is about to meet his demise at the hands of the Pfhor. The Prologue level reaffirms this yet on level 2 we appear to find ourselves journeying back in time and working for Tycho! Are these in effect three different timelines?
GK & CG: Yes, the player is jumping from a number of possible futures trying to find the path (eat the path) that will allow him to survive the cataclysm on Lh'owon, and unite him with 11th clan in a way that Durandal never could. How the player is able to do this jumping has to do with the unique interaction between Jjaro technology and sentient creatures.
"Tycho dreams of becoming truly immortal, Durandal wants to be truly in control.
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Durandal dreams of both. Its not as if Durandal desires to die. :P
I think its possible that Pathways and Marathon take place in different universes, it could work. But it's also possible that they take place in two different epochs in the same universe or that the Jjaro tech was left behind and the Jjaro we see in Pathways are communicating from where ever they went.
@@Ghostvirus I was just trying to sound like a movie pitch line haha
@@leftcoastkid24 Whoosh right over my head. :P
I cant believe this is what Destiny has been leading up too, im SPEECHLESS!
Something to watch when I get home, thanks :)
Nice review
Thats great the history is relation on pathways into darkness yesh
What was the music used in the background of the video specifically around the 8-9 minute mark? I love it
Amen brother. Loving this series!
Thank you sir. Your support is greatly appreciated!
So it's from this theory that Neal Asher took inspiration for his Transformation Trilogy!
Hell yeah another upload! Lets gooooooo!
My only thought is when this was created who the f was thinking this stuff up at that point in time the internet was still new and fresh but who created it ...cern yes that cern the particle accelerator people lots of weirdness when you really start questioning things
Dude I just came from the Iceberg of Destiny and I’m wondering because another marathon coming out if we will get a connection to all three sifi titles by Bungie.
thank you for this
and what if, durandal encaged himself in a husk to transcend all ends and beginings, and tycho became the entity to undo all of its actions?
i havent watched this yet but i need someone to know i want durandal to kiss me
Bungie is genius, truly
More of it pls :)
what is the song that plays at 6:37
I clicked the like button for the seven hundredth time.
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7777! Thanks I appreciate it!
Dur-an-dal(doll), not Durandel.
How do you know that for sure? I've always been saying "jerr-randle" (as in handle).
@@sphtpfhorbrains3592 because I speak English.
I am mostly confused about the end parts, smth smth salvation smth smth Durandal survived the universe?
So back in the day I considered the end parts to be a good place to tease connections to other Bungie games if I didn't think it belonged in the core video. So those clips at the end include exerpts from Halo books, and destiny lore. Which include references to Marathon, or allusions to similar ideas.
@@Ghostvirus I think it makes a little more sense on a second watch through half a year later with some more distance, but it is also tricky to grasp.
Thank you.
I've been playing marathon since I was 11. I'm 37 now and am still curious 😁😁
Great video man! Having just discovered your channel, I hope you make more content cause your writing style is very in depth and engaging. :)
Also as an aside I appreciate your take on the Halo TV show from twitter, especially since you're a lore-based creator! Hope to see more from you on RUclips!
holy shit I playeds the trilogy as a kid but I barely could read english, I could tell the lore was deep as fuck though. good video !
It escapes me, especially with the popularity of Halo, how few people talk about this. Thank you. I love that cooky AI.
great video man
Thanks I appreciate it!
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