Agreed, sadly fast singles at a constant volume are pretty easy to replicate on computer. It won't be drummers that play mostly blasts and double bass that will keep live drums alive. Flo Mounier was one of the best performances i've ever seen, but Tony Royster jr. would be a lot harder to program in a computer.
You have to go off a 4/4 grid to make it difficult for them. Make it so that the polyrhythm lands on a 32nd note denominator or higher. Or do 5 over 4 so that it doesn't really align at all. Then, do fast double stroke rolls to make the drums sound extra computery. Notice how terrible and fake the quick single notes sound in the video? That's because each note sound lives in a vacuum of each other. In reality, you'd be playing so fast that each stroke effects the sound of the next stroke.
@@lightningmckingpubgm7815to get out and smash Bros for me anyway lol yeah I'm good just do a few more but you know how I feel about the mudflap off work bcuz I will not be able to make the trip
@@rinzxc8857 I know, that's misspelled and annoying when it slows the reading. That's a same thing if you would write: "When the teacher starts to collect exams and my halfway done." What's you're problem people?
If you really want to make it harder for the programmer (harder, not impossible ofc), don't got for speed or blasts, but focus instead on weird signatures, tempo changes, and swingy grooves. I know, I'm very fun at parties.
I've tried 2 albums. There is indeed a lot of complicated things going on. But again it's harder, not impossible. Also it's a bit of a different story when it comes to using samples, you can use samples that have some grooves already in them or deliberately keep them off the grid, stretch or slow them down etc...
Neal Babbitt Yes very true. Even a random velocity effect will just make the computer drums sound worse at parts due to forced quietness. the dynamics are drummer’s best friend.
@@StermaPerma but if the programmer tune each stroke independly with respective velocity close to real drumming? i think the sound can be really indistinguishable from the real thing.
Don't worry, his keyboard is just failing like all the others of the same model... www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3072776/macbook-users-have-taken-to-giving-oral-relief-to-frustrated-keyboards
@@sticksmcfly It's 100% real. The article is kind of a joking tone, but because the keyboards fail due to a single fucking speck of dust, sucking on them will resolve the problem temporarily.
been looking for a comment like this! actually i've tried manually inputting Fool in the Rain into a drum machine, and it was a nightmare.. i never get why people think that speed is the only way to win against computer drums lol just use a lot of triplets
you can easily humanize VST drums if you actually know what you’re doing. Don’t hate on the way people do things just because you don’t know how to do it properly.
Emgien Beats still not as good as a good drummer in a good recording studio. Like everything designed to be a simulation of something, it’s never going to be as good as the real thing.
@tututuims ieijebdo It isn't but the feel of each hit will be different than done in real life for obvious reason, drum hits on a computer are pre recorded, or be it it will never have the same feel as having your own drummer
@tututuims ieijebdo Then i would like you to try buddy richs solos on drums in a reasonable amount of time and accuracy. That would be even harder. Deconstructing a solo bit by bit is really not that hard, since you can just pause the recording whenever you know?
@@DeathyDP2727 You can put a variable on each hit, so they each have a slightly different feel too. Sure there is a time and place for real drums. But recorded sounds can be made pretty much perfect. But instruments are only as good as the drummer, the room, and the build quality.
Actually, you can change dynamics really easily while programming. If you're a drummer worth his own salt in this day and age, then you can play whatever you program and vice versa.
@Kal Reynolds I tend to agree with what you're saying. You can definitely feel a great live recorded performance... that being said; with the software nowadays, you can still emulate different room sounds and if you work your dynamics right it would be fairly easy to pull off the inconsistencies of a live drummer. But why do that? Every good drummer wants to be as precise and consistent as they can as far as accents. My band does all of our drums programmed and of course being a non lazy drummer, we sit there for hours and play with accents and different sounds and get it to sounding as real but on point as possible. As long as you know how what sounds good from an engineer's POV and a drummer's POV then I'd say it's easy to fake a "real feel"... but then again, you're putting just as much effort if not more than just being a great drummer with great sounds in a great room on a great take. Hahaha
@@laelmilum6433 I know you can. It's just that the sound difference is more apparent, at least in my experience. You can humanize, you can do dynamics, you can hide it in the mix... But for certain genres, it is not easy to sound realistic. Metal is probably the easiest. Blues/jazz, not so much.
The human imperfect playing is what makes the great difference with a programmed sequence. The human do lot of little accelerations and decelerations that really influence the emotion of the performance making them unique
While I'm fine with a song using programmed drums, I often do hear a difference between the two and prefer real drums; it doesn't sound as perfectly on beat with variable tone and I like that EDIT: This is not a nonnegotiable rule for me or that I can always tell which is which. Just when I can tell I prefer the sound of a drummer playing over a machine's precision or highly edited drum tracks. I feel the same with all instruments and vocals I often prefer a live recording of a song over a studio one for this reason (a good example is Prince's "I Can Never Take the Place of Your Man", the semi live take from the movie is the one I prefer over the very produced studio version)
Actually, 9/10 times the live recorded drum tracks are snapped to a grid anyways. The producers also replace or blend every note with a sample. The only thing that is slightly better with live drums is the sound of the cymbals. But that's only if you're recording in a very expensive studio with a great sound room and top notch microphones.
@@metalslinger You have massive drum libraries like BFD3 und Toontracks stuff with round robin layers in multiple velocity settings. BFD3 uses cymbal swells, multiple articuations on hihats, tom resonance. These sampling content manfufacturers make it easy to get "realistic drums". If you put time and effort into the midi editing most of the people, esp. metalheads who are used to the programmed/triggered/layered drum sounds, have a hard time to distinguish a programmed from a live performance. Also. The midigrid is just a grid, you can move midievents between the grid lines just like you can quantize your audio tracks. And still you are right. A tom fill still feels programmed if it contains fast notes and the interaction from cymbals bleeding into the other mics is also hard to mimic. But one can get close, very close.
For real though, im a drummer, so if a guy came up to me and said, "hey, you should do computer drums, no one cares about real drums." I would probably punch them. Edit 2021: Wow guys thank you for 2k likes. Never thought this would get so far 🤟
Even with velocity sensitivity and stuff like that, you still can't imitate the rawness of a live drummer. And say that as a person who is heavily into electronica. Plus, it's just tedious to edit the notes to sound less fake.
@@hexyko4850 You can depending on what drum kit you're using. GGD and Superior drummers are top notch for example. Its possible, it can be annoying if you don't know what you're doing though.
Yeah idk if speed is the best way of beating a computer. More like complex improvised dynamics. With some intentionally off-time stuff. And also doing all the weird little tricks like hitting the drums on the shells.
Kinda like the way in the movie _"Crossroads"_ - a veritable paean to the Blues - the kid won his Guitar Battle against the Devil's representative Steve Vai by playing Classical music.
True. Never wanted blast double bass drums like in deathcore. Who wants to keep playing like that? Basic drum beats and technical beats are way better than playing ultra fast on 594949494994bpm
>tries to best a computer< >uses 4/4, no tempo changes, everything perfectly on beat It's like you think playing it faster makes it harder for the computer. If you want real difficult stuff channel your inner Danny Carey.
That's the annoying thing for me, too. Blast beats are impressive to non-drummers or drummers under the age of 16 but for anyone else this kinda missed the mark because all he was doing was... bland blast beats. If he pulled something like swing jazz out and really played with the dynamics and time signature, even the best programmed drums have a hard time competing with the organic human aspect.
or using different parts of the drums... or using hand drums instead of sticks which can produce an incredible range of sounds that computers can only emulate with an equally incredible person in front of them (and maybe a set of mandalas to help program it)
@@redduck9393 As a jazz drummer: no. He's flashy and well known, but he's not one of "the greats." He got his stature as "the jazz drummer" because he was a white jazz drummer that would go on The Muppets or late night shows and play accessible big band music. Not that you can't be a great jazz drummer that's white - far from it - it's just that he's not really a major figure.
@@browncoat697 Oh interesting, thank you for such a well-put response. I just remember hearing about him sometime after watching Whiplash, I think a famous performance of his was Caravan? I kind of just assumed he was an unspoken "great", similar to Django Reinhardt with guitar (though I could also just be assuming again with Django)
For many, Buddy Rich is THE jazz drummer. That's why he still gets voted in polls as the best jazz drummer, or even the best drummer ever... Personally, I don't give a damn about polls but I just mention this to bolster my point. Yeah, small ensemble jazz drummers such as Art/Max/Elvin etc., were probably always cooler with the hip jazz crowd/critics. Buddy had a lot of respect for them but he was a big band drummer, that's where his passion was. And if you haven't heard Art, Max, or Elvin, Kenny Clarke, or Connie Kay, then you need to get up with it. Nowadays, most younger drummers would probably name-drop someone like Eric Harland or Mark Guiliana over BR or, say, Gene Krupa, or Papa Jo Jones. Hey, times change. BR ran a big band until his dying day, he was 110% committed to big band music and was a harsh taskmaster on players he hired. He had the charisma to entertain on stage and in interviews; he had real showmanship. His drumming technique was one that any drummer would kill for and he never lost it even into old age. His solos weren't subtle and, no, they're not to all tastes but, so what, Buddy didn't mean to go unnoticed. Listen to any tune/arrangement BR played and tell me it could be done any better. Pick up his albums and enjoy the quality of music and standard of playing. There are numerous great drummers from Buddy's era (and I'm not even gonna bring race into it because jazz was multicultural waaaaayyy before the hip crowd latched onto it) and they should all be heard. I'm talking hundreds of names... 'Caravan' was a piece by Duke Ellington, an American legend and icon. Buddy would've played it as it was big band music. Interesting side note, all of the Duke's drummers used double bass drums; Ginger Baker said in his autobiography that he and Keith Moon went to an Ellington concert with drummer Sam Woodyard (using two bass drums) and, from there on, Baker and Moon had them too. You won't ever hear me say Buddy was the best because I personally never believe there is 'the best'. But he's in the top 5% without doubt. You don't have to like the guy's playing but you've got give him the respect. Final point, regarding the movie Whiplash... Take everything in that movie with a very large helping of salt. No one got a solid music career playing solos, not even Buddy Rich!
"Give me what no computer can!" Jared, baby, we all know how to do this. With the snares on, hit a rimshot, hit lightly, hit the edge and center, then do all of that with the snares off, then watch EZ Drummer fail to achieve it. :)
The dislike was the one person on here with enough common sense to know that not everyone can afford to drop thousands of dollars on drum mics. Sometimes VST drums are all you have and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Jared on drumset: I can just do the final takes then Blacksnow on MIDI: Oh, I’ll program it quickly Another dude on a MIDI-controlled drumset: so y’all just gonna ignore me or what
Wrong, it depend on the program Ofc not a free Cheap program that sounds artificial, computer drums and electronic drums sound natural and can do what acoustic drums Never can do
Okay, then go drop thousands of dollars on a mixer and full drum mic kit and all accessories. I’ll wait. You seem to act like it’s just as easy and affordable as VST drums, so go ahead. Prove me wrong.
@@bossdup3137 Yes, I just want to do it) I like the sound of acoustic drums. I like to play them)) (although I'm just new) Recording a drummer's part for your song is certainly easier on a computer. But at the concert a live drummer adds drive. Without a live drummer is somehow boring ;-)
Live drums forever! Miss the 2000s sounding. Live cymbals (where you can hear a cymbal fades out, etc and snare + bass drum, hate this new triggered muffled sounding.
Not everyone can afford to drop thousands of dollars on drum mics. Have you ever considered that, or are you just too narrow minded and stuck in your own ways to care about anything else?
kd827827 don’t think VST drums deserve to be bashed on so much when clearly none of you know how to use them properly 🤷🏼♂️ people hate and fear what they don’t understand
He's been binge watching Luke Holland again. BTW I made a playlist of the entries from Jared's competition on my channel. There's some amazing people there.
wouldn't matter because he hit the right parts anyway ADD: at the end yes to make it funny. in my opinion turns out great😅 anyway no programmed drum or keyboard drum can emulate the original drum sound when its played in real life
@@cr1sprarchives408 It is easy to recreate human mistakes like changing velocity and being almost always atleast littlebit out of tempo. Many producers (including me) use random number generation to help with it.
@@cr1sprarchives408 There s literally a humanize function in most DAW s that allows computer-generated beats to incorporate a bit of random variations per hit/ timing to emulate human drumming. This is 2020, digital tech is far superior to anytime in history. The whole "analog sounds better" is a myth created and perpetuated by the gear industry to justify their outrageous markups. It's simple really, computer drums can never replace real drums, or guitar or any instrument for that matter, coz at the end of the day music is about that incredible joy when your friend starts playing a 4/4 and the bassist strikes up an Am-Em-G rhythm and the solo, and everything comes together! Because music is essentially the most human thing in existence, but to pretend like "your ear" can differentiate real from generated drums in a mix is you trying to feel special in some way, which is just not true, and everyone listening to you say that, knows it ain't!
@@rinzxc8857 I heard Jack White has to warm up with some Jason Becker/ Jeff Loomis tracks before he is ready to perform the ultimate shred that is Seven Nation Army.
How can he be so good at guitar *and* drums I can't even play piano that well after 6 fucking years Edit: to all the pity/insults- I'm not *that* bad I'm just not mozart.
@@marcusking8507 having motivation is a shortcut, being gifted is a shortcut, enjoying what you do/practice is also a shortcut. practice is important, but there always has to be a good reason behind why your willing to practice in the first place
Lot's of producers do both with drum triggers and sound replacement. They capture the performance of the real drummer and supplement the sound with drum samples to give it a polished quality.
Plot twist *the guy with the laptop recorded it and played it back*
Wow
Wow
Wow
What
Wow
A computer can be infected by a virus... But a real drummer... well.. nevermind...
"Nevermind" BADUM TSSS (if u dont get it, its a band name "nirvana" album named "nevermind".)
Coronaaaaaaa!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
@@thegoobster4939 dude.. its corona time!!
Drummers just get down with sickness sometimes
Nirvana Fan #1285 dammit i was gonna make that joke. well i guess this is growing up. (blink-182 dammit reference)
Plot twist: He was just recording his drumming
lmfao
I thought the same for a minute
I thought the same lol
I thought the same haha
I thought the same aha
the weird thing is that the last part is probably the easiest to achieve when programming lol
Agreed, sadly fast singles at a constant volume are pretty easy to replicate on computer. It won't be drummers that play mostly blasts and double bass that will keep live drums alive. Flo Mounier was one of the best performances i've ever seen, but Tony Royster jr. would be a lot harder to program in a computer.
Swing is the only way to stump the computer
It was made on programming so...
@@rayres1074 are you having a stroke? Thats literally what I said.
You have to go off a 4/4 grid to make it difficult for them. Make it so that the polyrhythm lands on a 32nd note denominator or higher.
Or do 5 over 4 so that it doesn't really align at all.
Then, do fast double stroke rolls to make the drums sound extra computery. Notice how terrible and fake the quick single notes sound in the video? That's because each note sound lives in a vacuum of each other. In reality, you'd be playing so fast that each stroke effects the sound of the next stroke.
Jokes on us, computer guy just recorded the whole thing
wow u figured out a joke.
Yup i think thats true
@@lightningmckingpubgm7815to get out and smash Bros for me anyway lol yeah I'm good just do a few more but you know how I feel about the mudflap off work bcuz I will not be able to make the trip
Tobias it was a joke kid
Wow.... Computer guy is really good.
3:20 When the teacher starts to collect exams and you're halfway done
Jirvex I’m dead 😂😂😂💀
jeez how hard it is to learn the differences between your and you're?
@@rinzxc8857 I know, that's misspelled and annoying when it slows the reading.
That's a same thing if you would write: "When the teacher starts to collect exams and my halfway done."
What's you're problem people?
🤣🤣🤣
True
Drummer dies from heroin again
Computer dies from battery again
You stole this comment from part one
Dead!
Cannot kill the battery
@@matko8038 CANNOT KILL THE BATTERYYYY. CANNOT KILL THE FAMILY BATTERY IS FOUND IN ME
@@tomclarkson1257 dammit I'm too late to make that joke
Imagine he just recorded the drummer and replayed it
He didn't, the drumkit sounds different from what I can hear. That would've been hilarious though
@@nwcr_ Yep
Snare sounds higher and more ringy, cymbals sound like they have longer decay.
The computer drums have less space and sound like dog shot, while the live drums actually sounds like yk drums
Jokes on us. This whole video was computer drums.
It's an empty message. We already lost the fight
He probably just recorded Jared doing it 😂😂
the last part was programmed
@@metalfan2346 der do u really think that's physically possible
@@reggie805 No, but it was computer drums
he played the kick so fast it became one solid note
Lol 😂 nice callback
It basically became a pulse, the heartbeat of the power of drums.
Extratone be like
Now Lead vs Rhythm Guitar V2
Cant wait to see that!!
@@louis5865 can't wait too
Yeee
@@hard1765 ohh yeah bro, i see talent when i read it bro.
YESSSS
Jared Dines: literally destroying the drums
Me: figuring out what a paradiddle is
Tf is that lol
Don't feel too bad, he only played singles.
i play drums and i never heard of a paradiddle
Tech Guy: dead
LRLL RLRR
He can shred. He can play drum. He can sing. He built an entire RUclips guitarist community. Ladies and gentlemen, he is Jared Dines.
@@ZyrusSmith 🤣
@@ZyrusSmith this nigga
Looks like Toby Maguire when he was dark Spider-Man
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The ugly version
Toxic Ninja why are you so *TOXIC*
oh my god
*Insert evil Peter dancing*
If you really want to make it harder for the programmer (harder, not impossible ofc), don't got for speed or blasts, but focus instead on weird signatures, tempo changes, and swingy grooves.
I know, I'm very fun at parties.
No, what you said makes sense. You can still be fun at parties.
Do you listen to Aaron Funk? Me too
I've tried 2 albums. There is indeed a lot of complicated things going on. But again it's harder, not impossible. Also it's a bit of a different story when it comes to using samples, you can use samples that have some grooves already in them or deliberately keep them off the grid, stretch or slow them down etc...
You sir, are correct. Would you care to join us at the quiet table for some vanilla wafers.
Swing is easy to add on computer.
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Guitare? What is that ? You mean bass with 6 strings
Swing patterns with press rolls, just doesn't even sound the same. Drummer's real secret weapon is dynamics, it sure isn't speed.
Neal Babbitt Yes very true. Even a random velocity effect will just make the computer drums sound worse at parts due to forced quietness. the dynamics are drummer’s best friend.
@@StermaPerma but if the programmer tune each stroke independly with respective velocity close to real drumming? i think the sound can be really indistinguishable from the real thing.
Neal Babbitt hey
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@@ElsweyrDiego you're probably right, but then you're at the point where you'd be better off learning
1:16 apparently Tony needs to give the laptop some head for it to work right
Don't worry, his keyboard is just failing like all the others of the same model... www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3072776/macbook-users-have-taken-to-giving-oral-relief-to-frustrated-keyboards
@@Cobalt985 Wow.
@@Cobalt985 OMG. I can't tell if that's real or fake. :-D
@@sticksmcfly It's 100% real. The article is kind of a joking tone, but because the keyboards fail due to a single fucking speck of dust, sucking on them will resolve the problem temporarily.
That was a blowjob joke.
"Nobody cares about live drums anymore"
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Branson Stevens ringo
*Danny Carey
@@mystificity Doesn't Danny Carey use electronic drum pads?
@@Grindermetalhead doesn't danny carey still play them live?
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Your actual drum tone is actually so good. I wish we could hear more of you recording drums
0:37 programming drums on messenger.
That's a whole new level man.
Prolly could've won too if he wasnt using a macbook.
Ikr
pretty sure that's imessage though
The man said it was easy, he didn't say that it easy for us.
new Facebook feature haha
Computer Drummer: “I can program anything a real drummer can play.”
John Bonham: “Don’t hold my beer, I only need one hand.”
Bonham and Paice would destroy every machine lol
been looking for a comment like this! actually i've tried manually inputting Fool in the Rain into a drum machine, and it was a nightmare.. i never get why people think that speed is the only way to win against computer drums lol just use a lot of triplets
To bad he's trash😂
@EJSC WRONG!!!
Brian Talbot Who’s this bitch lol
The advantage of a real drum is not that speed or accuracy.it’s humanization.
you can easily humanize VST drums if you actually know what you’re doing. Don’t hate on the way people do things just because you don’t know how to do it properly.
True, but that implies the person programming knows what they're doing. If they do, great. If not, not great.
@@bossdup3137 Citations pls
@@ashleyclacy8879 same can go for actual drums
Emgien Beats still not as good as a good drummer in a good recording studio. Like everything designed to be a simulation of something, it’s never going to be as good as the real thing.
The ending is like how every unnus annus ending is
I see you are a man of culture
I didn't see any number
You dare compare Dines to Unnus?
ah. a good man
UNUS ANNUS UNUS ANNUS
Plot twist: Jared summons power of the drummers of old......
Plays 4/4 beat
Hahahaha same thought here
EXACT
Or half a swing beat, computers can go fast but it's hard for them to sound good swinging or flamming.
@@jimboburgess42069 yeah, real music is where it's at 💪
Right? I was expecting some crazy Bonham groove that's so human that it would bring a sequencer to life lol
I love how the final drum beat was slightly edited by a computer to make it sound impossible to program...
You have become the very thing you swore to destroy
Anything you do in real life can be done on a computer your simply just placing the drums in the same pattern you would hit them in real life
@tututuims ieijebdo It isn't but the feel of each hit will be different than done in real life for obvious reason, drum hits on a computer are pre recorded, or be it it will never have the same feel as having your own drummer
@tututuims ieijebdo Then i would like you to try buddy richs solos on drums in a reasonable amount of time and accuracy. That would be even harder.
Deconstructing a solo bit by bit is really not that hard, since you can just pause the recording whenever you know?
@@DeathyDP2727 You can put a variable on each hit, so they each have a slightly different feel too. Sure there is a time and place for real drums. But recorded sounds can be made pretty much perfect. But instruments are only as good as the drummer, the room, and the build quality.
If you wanna beat computer drums, play with some dynamics and emotion. Game over. You ain't gonna beat it in speed xD
Actually, you can change dynamics really easily while programming. If you're a drummer worth his own salt in this day and age, then you can play whatever you program and vice versa.
@Kal Reynolds I tend to agree with what you're saying. You can definitely feel a great live recorded performance... that being said; with the software nowadays, you can still emulate different room sounds and if you work your dynamics right it would be fairly easy to pull off the inconsistencies of a live drummer. But why do that? Every good drummer wants to be as precise and consistent as they can as far as accents. My band does all of our drums programmed and of course being a non lazy drummer, we sit there for hours and play with accents and different sounds and get it to sounding as real but on point as possible. As long as you know how what sounds good from an engineer's POV and a drummer's POV then I'd say it's easy to fake a "real feel"... but then again, you're putting just as much effort if not more than just being a great drummer with great sounds in a great room on a great take. Hahaha
@@laelmilum6433 I know you can. It's just that the sound difference is more apparent, at least in my experience. You can humanize, you can do dynamics, you can hide it in the mix... But for certain genres, it is not easy to sound realistic. Metal is probably the easiest. Blues/jazz, not so much.
Filip Vujic That’s just not true. If you’re using a good sampler you can manipulate the drums exactly how you want them.
The human imperfect playing is what makes the great difference with a programmed sequence. The human do lot of little accelerations and decelerations that really influence the emotion of the performance making them unique
Computers snare reminds me of something
Lars: TUNG
Wait!
Was it a "TUNG"?
I tought it was a "SDENG", my whole life was a lie!
Who called?
@@nicolamotroni i dont know? Stevie T said it was tung.
Please don't recall it
I’ve waited a long time for this,
ROCK ON DINES!
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ME TOO FUCKING HELL YEAH
Me toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo man
fuck yeah!
It's 2019. Computer guy now looks like drummer guy.
E Law ouch
hahhahaha.... you nailed it bro....
Nope. Computer SUCKS
Seems legit, seeing that I'm a drummer guy AND a computer nerd
While I'm fine with a song using programmed drums, I often do hear a difference between the two and prefer real drums; it doesn't sound as perfectly on beat with variable tone and I like that
EDIT: This is not a nonnegotiable rule for me or that I can always tell which is which. Just when I can tell I prefer the sound of a drummer playing over a machine's precision or highly edited drum tracks. I feel the same with all instruments and vocals
I often prefer a live recording of a song over a studio one for this reason (a good example is Prince's "I Can Never Take the Place of Your Man", the semi live take from the movie is the one I prefer over the very produced studio version)
You can't really hear the difference between them when the midi is mixed and humanized correctly.
Actually, 9/10 times the live recorded drum tracks are snapped to a grid anyways. The producers also replace or blend every note with a sample. The only thing that is slightly better with live drums is the sound of the cymbals. But that's only if you're recording in a very expensive studio with a great sound room and top notch microphones.
I had just seen that vídeo like 5 minutes ago WTF dude
Not to mention, on programmed midis, each hit tends to be the same velocity, which is impossible for a real drummer.
@@metalslinger You have massive drum libraries like BFD3 und Toontracks stuff with round robin layers in multiple velocity settings. BFD3 uses cymbal swells, multiple articuations on hihats, tom resonance. These sampling content manfufacturers make it easy to get "realistic drums".
If you put time and effort into the midi editing most of the people, esp. metalheads who are used to the programmed/triggered/layered drum sounds, have a hard time to distinguish a programmed from a live performance.
Also. The midigrid is just a grid, you can move midievents between the grid lines just like you can quantize your audio tracks. And still you are right.
A tom fill still feels programmed if it contains fast notes and the interaction from cymbals bleeding into the other mics is also hard to mimic. But one can get close, very close.
"Nobody cares about live drums anymore"
comment section: *You're Not Only The Clown You Are The Entire Circus*
He's not the entire circus, HE'S THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY
@@kingofdeath9012 sadly
3:10 careful Jared, you could get copyrighted for playing ‘War’ by Meshuggah!
He will
I'll be honest, I was expecting him to play Bleed instead, because the internet likes beating the dead horse.
@@chasm9557 well duh, dude. They missed a spot. *opens chest of bludgeoning paraphernalia*
I'm pretty sure commenting about it only brings more attention to it.
He played a snare drum - definetly gonna be copyright striked!
Did anyone else notice the computer guy had messenger open?
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TristanZard 101 Me
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You could win easier just by swinging and switching to odd-time signatures and tempo
Boktus yeah
Very True
My thoughts exactly. Some 5/4 and 7/8 with triplets thrown in.
And some accents on cymbals and rim shots
It’s possible to do that on computers, its just harder/takes more time
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His eyes: 2:56
Hi friend
At this point, I am not surprised that you are here too
Yyyy u be here
Ah, you’re here
Just Some Guy without a Mustache I see you everywhere
*plays 4/4 beat* mmmmmm that was the game changer
yes
The best part is that the drum gods granted him the power to play the most machine-like part of the whole video lol
0:36 he's just texting LOL.
I saw that! 😂
For real though, im a drummer, so if a guy came up to me and said, "hey, you should do computer drums, no one cares about real drums." I would probably punch them.
Edit 2021: Wow guys thank you for 2k likes. Never thought this would get so far 🤟
ok wingding gaster
So would i.
Probably
Yh same
Nah, I would hit them with my drum sticks
@@hufflepuffguy2212 thats geh
It's been billion years since I saw the last real drums vs computer drums
Hazama 69th Like
Also me too, great videos, I hope he does more drums
How many of us forgot that Jared is just as awesome on the drums as he is on the guitar?
Found him through his drum videos, so no
He's better at drums. His soloing style is just reused to much
He is honestly not that great at drums
Check out his song with the other RUclipsrs dread machine he does a guitar solo on the drums in the song
Mordecai he’s gotten better though check out his latest shred war videos
I thought he was just gonna play some jazz. Like anything with dynamics is hard to replicate in midi.
Even with velocity sensitivity and stuff like that, you still can't imitate the rawness of a live drummer. And say that as a person who is heavily into electronica. Plus, it's just tedious to edit the notes to sound less fake.
Just play in a 7/11 poly rithm with 4/20 fills. It won't sound good but most music software is gritted to normal intervals
*Laugh in jazz*
@@hexyko4850 You can depending on what drum kit you're using. GGD and Superior drummers are top notch for example. Its possible, it can be annoying if you don't know what you're doing though.
@@woddopdedijk6643 I see you're an Adam Neely's subscriber as well; a man of culture!
Yeah idk if speed is the best way of beating a computer. More like complex improvised dynamics. With some intentionally off-time stuff. And also doing all the weird little tricks like hitting the drums on the shells.
0:37 tries to program drums
*opens messenger on laptop*
actually it is iMessages?
He's gonna program it with Facebook? 0:36
probably
iMessage on mac
Chevy Rupleix it was imessage
At that moment, we realized Jared had lost.
How the Fuck did you notice that😃😃
When the live drums sound so much better than the MIDIs😭
Always sounds better eretic
Those are samples, not MIDIs, tho.
The sad thing is, in the final battle...
They used a computer
Kinda like the way in the movie _"Crossroads"_ - a veritable paean to the Blues - the kid won his Guitar Battle against the Devil's representative Steve Vai by playing Classical music.
they used a computer to record it.....
@@michakrzyzanowski8554 they used a camera to record it and a computer to edit it
So awesome to see THE djenty boi back on the drums!!!!
Yes! I ve been waiting for so long
I agree!
For a second I thought the drummer in the middle was Davie504 2:52
SAME
@BOAT Goat I have!
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Bruh
@@maxlima1587 he is bassist and he has a youtube channel go subscribe to him he makes funny and music content!
(not sponsored)
Remember!!!!
FAST doesn't mean GOOD
And never forget!
True. Never wanted blast double bass drums like in deathcore. Who wants to keep playing like that? Basic drum beats and technical beats are way better than playing ultra fast on 594949494994bpm
Yes, Black Sabbath - War Pigs!!!
Computer drums could never do a small funky jam sprinkled with improv. Just doesn't work
Al Ant. But u gotta play fast to become good?
But fast can sound good
Truth be told, the legendary drummers of the past did indeed start coming inside of him.
>tries to best a computer<
>uses 4/4, no tempo changes, everything perfectly on beat
It's like you think playing it faster makes it harder for the computer. If you want real difficult stuff channel your inner Danny Carey.
That's the annoying thing for me, too. Blast beats are impressive to non-drummers or drummers under the age of 16 but for anyone else this kinda missed the mark because all he was doing was... bland blast beats. If he pulled something like swing jazz out and really played with the dynamics and time signature, even the best programmed drums have a hard time competing with the organic human aspect.
or using different parts of the drums... or using hand drums instead of sticks which can produce an incredible range of sounds that computers can only emulate with an equally incredible person in front of them (and maybe a set of mandalas to help program it)
Plot twist: the last drum solo was actually a MIDI work because Jared couldn't play drums that well
Either that or they sped up the video...
It's not a plot twist…that's actually what it was :|
2:50~
Drummers:
Vinnie Paul Abbott - Pantera/Hellyeah
Hal Blaine - (Multiple Bands)
Keith moon - The Who
I'm not a drummer or know much about drums, but shouldn't Buddy Rich be up there somewhere?
@@redduck9393 As a jazz drummer: no. He's flashy and well known, but he's not one of "the greats." He got his stature as "the jazz drummer" because he was a white jazz drummer that would go on The Muppets or late night shows and play accessible big band music. Not that you can't be a great jazz drummer that's white - far from it - it's just that he's not really a major figure.
@@browncoat697 Oh interesting, thank you for such a well-put response. I just remember hearing about him sometime after watching Whiplash, I think a famous performance of his was Caravan? I kind of just assumed he was an unspoken "great", similar to Django Reinhardt with guitar (though I could also just be assuming again with Django)
i would have put john bonham instead of hal blaine
For many, Buddy Rich is THE jazz drummer.
That's why he still gets voted in polls as the best jazz drummer, or even the best drummer ever... Personally, I don't give a damn about polls but I just mention this to bolster my point.
Yeah, small ensemble jazz drummers such as Art/Max/Elvin etc., were probably always cooler with the hip jazz crowd/critics. Buddy had a lot of respect for them but he was a big band drummer, that's where his passion was. And if you haven't heard Art, Max, or Elvin, Kenny Clarke, or Connie Kay, then you need to get up with it.
Nowadays, most younger drummers would probably name-drop someone like Eric Harland or Mark Guiliana over BR or, say, Gene Krupa, or Papa Jo Jones. Hey, times change.
BR ran a big band until his dying day, he was 110% committed to big band music and was a harsh taskmaster on players he hired.
He had the charisma to entertain on stage and in interviews; he had real showmanship.
His drumming technique was one that any drummer would kill for and he never lost it even into old age.
His solos weren't subtle and, no, they're not to all tastes but, so what, Buddy didn't mean to go unnoticed.
Listen to any tune/arrangement BR played and tell me it could be done any better. Pick up his albums and enjoy the quality of music and standard of playing.
There are numerous great drummers from Buddy's era (and I'm not even gonna bring race into it because jazz was multicultural waaaaayyy before the hip crowd latched onto it) and they should all be heard. I'm talking hundreds of names...
'Caravan' was a piece by Duke Ellington, an American legend and icon. Buddy would've played it as it was big band music.
Interesting side note, all of the Duke's drummers used double bass drums; Ginger Baker said in his autobiography that he and Keith Moon went to an Ellington concert with drummer Sam Woodyard (using two bass drums) and, from there on, Baker and Moon had them too.
You won't ever hear me say Buddy was the best because I personally never believe there is 'the best'. But he's in the top 5% without doubt. You don't have to like the guy's playing but you've got give him the respect.
Final point, regarding the movie Whiplash... Take everything in that movie with a very large helping of salt. No one got a solid music career playing solos, not even Buddy Rich!
plot twist, he was just recording jared’s playing
Plot twist: the last track from jared is actually programmed
You can´t hear the first bell. Seemes like you´re right. Or maybe it´s just a cutting error.
No shit sherlock
just record a machine gun and you're done
Jared Dines defeating Thanos circa 2023 (colorized)
Imagine if this whole time he was just recording Jared playing and playing it back to him.
Am I the only one whos been waiting for another drum video?
Been waiting for that for ages! Not disappointed! Want more
No
FinnyPen15 nope
Ha
Don't worry. I am, too lol
Jared Dines vs. Stevie T. We are waiting💥!
There’s just gonna be more reactions to them reacting to each other for awhile 😂😂
Nivan Sharma yuh there will be like 15 face cams and the original video when they’re finally done
That vídeo exist
xBILLYx PROD. I think they’re talk about a djent guitar battle, since Steve got a 20-something-string guitar
the last one actually was Computer Drums VS Computer Drums 2
"Give me what no computer can!"
Jared, baby, we all know how to do this.
With the snares on, hit a rimshot, hit lightly, hit the edge and center, then do all of that with the snares off, then watch EZ Drummer fail to achieve it.
:)
Yeah! I don't see how speed would be the key when it comes to beating the machine. It's all about variations of the same type of drum..the nuance.
@@CaveyMoth Aye. When we play an instrument, we can do things no machine can.
Machines push sound, but people make music. :)
2:58 when war robots sponsors you
Big M yes
When you're early af but there's already a dedicated hater giving 1 dislike
Jerry Howard lol true
Oh it’s far worse than that. He has a nervous breakdown about 3 times a year these days. Lol.
When you gives no fucks about early or thumbs...
It was probably Stevie T
The dislike was the one person on here with enough common sense to know that not everyone can afford to drop thousands of dollars on drum mics. Sometimes VST drums are all you have and there’s nothing wrong with that.
Screw computers JARED IS WAAYYYYYYYYY BETTER🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸
*calls NASA*
Plot twist: the “real” drums sound is computer made and the computer drums is real drum played
Well it's complicated
*YES!* Your first video of drummer vs computer was my favorite video on your channel
Lol "you're"
@@S.C.500i think you are the dumb one here
Your is your
You're is you are
lol "you're"
Jared on drumset: I can just do the final takes then
Blacksnow on MIDI: Oh, I’ll program it quickly
Another dude on a MIDI-controlled drumset:
so y’all just gonna ignore me or what
acoustic drums sound more alive)) computer - not natural, like plastic
Wrong, it depend on the program Ofc not a free Cheap program that sounds artificial,
computer drums and electronic drums sound natural and can do what acoustic drums Never can do
@@sohibconner6926 I put it wrong. The drums from the computer sound too flat. Everything is too accurate and clear. They are not alive))
@@sohibconner6926 They don't sound natural if they're doing something no drummer could do. Stands to reason.
Okay, then go drop thousands of dollars on a mixer and full drum mic kit and all accessories. I’ll wait. You seem to act like it’s just as easy and affordable as VST drums, so go ahead. Prove me wrong.
@@bossdup3137 Yes, I just want to do it) I like the sound of acoustic drums. I like to play them)) (although I'm just new)
Recording a drummer's part for your song is certainly easier on a computer. But at the concert a live drummer adds drive. Without a live drummer is somehow boring ;-)
A computer can get an update which makes it worse but A Drummer can’t
Live drums forever! Miss the 2000s sounding. Live cymbals (where you can hear a cymbal fades out, etc and snare + bass drum, hate this new triggered muffled sounding.
Not everyone can afford to drop thousands of dollars on drum mics. Have you ever considered that, or are you just too narrow minded and stuck in your own ways to care about anything else?
@@bossdup3137 Doesn't mean live drums aren't much much better
@@bossdup3137 Don't think the original poster deserved being called narrow minded among other things, he was just expressing his (valid) opinion.
kd827827 don’t think VST drums deserve to be bashed on so much when clearly none of you know how to use them properly 🤷🏼♂️ people hate and fear what they don’t understand
Truck Boi glad you recognize neither option is much better than the other if you know what you’re doing 👌🏻
There is secretly a small Jared inside the computer making lots of noise in hope of escaping.
the japenese man with a suit of teletuby is now drinkin a beer
He’s ready to Nyango Star-t destroying us in drum offs
same
This is better than the one when the computer won
One thing for sure, the drummer is more fit than the programmer
You really fat shaming rn?
@@OKOK-ir4kx Yes... he just did
he’s not even that big fr
Fat shaming someone who’s not even that fat. Good one.
Igor Kuzmanovicm, and if so, what’s wrong with that?
He's been binge watching Luke Holland again.
BTW I made a playlist of the entries from Jared's competition on my channel. There's some amazing people there.
I see your comments minimum 2 times a day
@@krappid6565"Minimum" 😂😂😂😂
Jared has the skills of the Ancient, he is a part of the Great Council!!!
Lol
You must never speak of the council in public! You are not safe here
He's on this council, but we will not grant him the rank of master
I like how he was only on msgs and then he Just recored what he played
He got vinnie paul.
Yeah, he got a REAL drummer
Vinnie was only good when he was with dime, and I don't say that out of spite that he kept playing with out dime, Hell yeah just really sucked
He should've got Rev from A7X. RIP Rev.
Finally! It's been awhile since Jared put out a drum vid
Just thank you.......
A wait for this too much time
3:00 that’s when he turns on Aaron kitcher mode
Me: MOM!!!
Mom: what is it
Me: There is a creepy guy in closet!! Look!!
0:39
2:57
Lol
Dat face lol
🤣 oh god.... lol
3:22
Alo Brete ee
OOOOOOOHHH MYYYYYY, IT'S INCREDIBLE. I'VE WAITED A LONG TIME FOR THIS, JARED. WAIT FOR RD VS CD 3 !!!
We are everywhere lol ||-//
@@enzo4872 yeah, fren ||-//
Can we take a minute to honor JD’s drumming skills?
plot twist: Jared drum's sound was programmed on the computer too!
wouldn't matter because he hit the right parts anyway ADD: at the end yes to make it funny. in my opinion turns out great😅 anyway no programmed drum or keyboard drum can emulate the original drum sound when its played in real life
Guy: no one's gonna know the difference
Really Everyone who listens to music: that's cute
@@Nupawru the inconsistency of human recordings cannot be generated
Giorno Giovanna's Stand Don't fool urself!
@@cr1sprarchives408 It is easy to recreate human mistakes like changing velocity and being almost always atleast littlebit out of tempo. Many producers (including me) use random number generation to help with it.
Written drums still have a tell in 16 and 32 notes. But they DID improve immensely.
@@cr1sprarchives408 There s literally a humanize function in most DAW s that allows computer-generated beats to incorporate a bit of random variations per hit/ timing to emulate human drumming. This is 2020, digital tech is far superior to anytime in history. The whole "analog sounds better" is a myth created and perpetuated by the gear industry to justify their outrageous markups. It's simple really, computer drums can never replace real drums, or guitar or any instrument for that matter, coz at the end of the day music is about that incredible joy when your friend starts playing a 4/4 and the bassist strikes up an Am-Em-G rhythm and the solo, and everything comes together! Because music is essentially the most human thing in existence, but to pretend like "your ear" can differentiate real from generated drums in a mix is you trying to feel special in some way, which is just not true, and everyone listening to you say that, knows it ain't!
Just play more than 127 steps of volume differences.
Get rekt midi
But can you play seven nation army
that was absurd lmfao
That's the hardest song ever created by humanity. Don't ever mention that song again.
@@rinzxc8857 I heard Jack White has to warm up with some Jason Becker/ Jeff Loomis tracks before he is ready to perform the ultimate shred that is Seven Nation Army.
Dave Grohl has left the chat
@@karnpsr4454 Savage.
This guy can play anything...
How can he be so good at guitar *and* drums
I can't even play piano that well after 6 fucking years
Edit: to all the pity/insults-
I'm not *that* bad
I'm just not mozart.
He’s not that good
Lots of practice and challenging yourself
And he sings too.
Practice, practice, practice and more practice.
There's no shortcut.
@@marcusking8507 having motivation is a shortcut, being gifted is a shortcut, enjoying what you do/practice is also a shortcut. practice is important, but there always has to be a good reason behind why your willing to practice in the first place
I CARE ABOUT REAL DRUMS, JARED!!! I CARE!!! *dramatic running away while gross crying*
Today's fact: Some cat breeds (called 'puppy cats') are bred specifically to exhibit dog-like behavior.
THANKS FACTERINO!
oh wow, thanks...but why?
Neat.
Thanks
@Sarincrow Cats don't "love" you they put up with you until they can eat your corpse. Awesome animals anyway though.
Lot's of producers do both with drum triggers and sound replacement. They capture the performance of the real drummer and supplement the sound with drum samples to give it a polished quality.
If this level of drums wasn`t enough, Jared would have to use the last resort: power of jazz drummers.
Oh yeah. It's nearly impossible to program the sound and dynamic of jazz 😂
R.I.P Neil Peart
Blasting is a lot easyer than most drum techniques in pc
@Crikey Crikeys well, you can just adjust around 10 and copy and paste them (trust me, nobody notices)
@Crikey Crikeys you need to get productive, even if you really like what you do you can burn out really fast if your results take too long
Never underestimate a drummers pride.