As a late Gen Xer, I think STP has the best, most musically diverse, musically challenging, and evolutionary arc of ALL 90s bands. Amazing guitar, beautiful bass by Robert, Scott is an all time front man...
Agree....I was a high school/ college student through their prime....they were my favorite of all the bands from that era. In my opinion the last great era of music.
@@michaelfrazia4569 I think cause of what the one guy said STP were taking influences from Zeppelin and other 70's bands. Soundgarden were basically Sabbath+Zeppelin. Alice In Chains were pretty much a metal band who did acoustic stuff with blues and country influences. Rock bands after that lacked the strong influences and eclecticism or were simply too poppy.
@@mck7646 Interesting breakdowns. And Nirvana was clearly a punk band with pop sensibilities and an introspection you didn't see from a lot of the punk, pop, or rock bands of the time. PJ also had the introspection put through a classic rock, blues rock lens. I kinda get what you're saying, but I'd have to sit those for a bit.
As a contemporary fan, me and my friends were a bit miffed by Tiny Music, cuz it was soooo different. And Weiland was f’ing up the band, a show in my hometown was canceled, rescheduled and was a strange night. But as I got older and developed my jazz ears and started playing guitar, it truly emerged as the best.
right, for sure. its different looking back, because at the time grunge was relatively new and things sounding like the 60s/70s/80s was old. so wasnt oh stp have this cool new sound, it was stp abandoning a cool new sound to do something quite retro. now that it all sounds old you can appreciate it for what it is a bit more.
Joe wondered what impression Tiny Music made on people when it came out. As a musician in 1996, I can say that when it came out it was a big deal. I think the first song to make the rounds was Big Bang Baby, and I realized right away it was a classic. Any remaining doubt about the band from critics (Beavis and Butthead?) was vanquished. I went on a trip to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in the summer of 1996, and we stopped to pick this up on cassette because our rental car only had a cassette player and there are/were pretty much no FM radio stations once you cross the Mackinac Bridge. We listened to it over and over for five days and didn't get sick of it. I still like it a lot to this day.
I disliked Tiny music in 96. The sound was strangely softer, and Scott voice was diferent too. It took a few years to appreciate it, but in the end, it did pay off.
@@grungil7570 i remember as a kid i really fell in love with "purple", it turned STP into my favorite band next to faith no more at the time. one day i read they had recorded a new album and the very next day i already saw the record at the store. it was july, the cover was all summery and blue and green in a very mid-90s way, and i was just sooo excited. on the way home i read the lyrics to "pop's love suicide", thinking, hm, they kinda suck, but it's gotta be a great tune anyway. before i could listen to the album i had to go to my grandma's, who didn't have a CD player. when i finally got home, i put on the CD... and i was so dissapointed. the tinny guitar, weiland's shot vocals, the lack of hits. and "pop's love suicide" was just as dumb as the lyrics. the only song i kinda enjoyed was "lady picture show". but all in all that wasn't the STP i had come to love. i did hold on to the record, though. i kept listening and after a while it clicked. with each passing year i found that all the album's supposed flaws were in fact its strengths. STP showed personality and taste and foresight by not making another "purple". this is the album where they found their sound and set themselves apart from their peers. it's their best record.
I will always defend STP against haters, since they are one of my favorite bands. They always involved on each album, and thats why it is difficult to categorize and rank their music. Hard Rock, Psychedelic Blues, Power Pop, Bossanova, Folk, etc. They tried so many styles thoughout their attribulated career, but somehow critics have a tendency to focus on Scott behavior. I miss Scott like every real fan, he was the last true rock n roll frontman, but to me, the true genius in the band were the DeLeo brothers, and it bothers me to see them not receveing the recognition as musicians they deserve.
Shangri La Dee Da was an album I dismissed back when it came out but completely fell in love with in the past 15 years. Probably their most underrated in their discography imo. Kudos for giving props to Talk Show. That and Army of Anyone are the next best thing after Shangri La Dee Da.
Sour Girl is incredibly sophisticated. They stretched themselves on that piece. That was way out of their comfort zone. They became better musicians for it. You can almost hear the struggle in the track. I remember seeing them play it live a few times. They always made mistakes while preforming it, until eventually they didn't. It was amazing to watch. I think that's the mark of a great band. When they compose and play music that's beyond them, but pull it off in the end. Purple is my number one. For Meatplow,ILS, Kitchenware and Candybars, Pretty Penny and Still Remains. There's not a bad song, melody or riff on that album. I can listen to it beginning to end with no omissions and I find myself repeating tracks like they just came out.
As far as I could tell, STP has never made a single bad album. I haven't listened to all the Jeff-era music yet, but from what I heard so far it ain't bad at all. Hell, I was among the few who defended Chester's effort at the time, the DeLeo brothers just know how to make classic poppy rock riffs. All around, solid band.
8. Perdida 7. Stone Temple Pilots (2018) 6. Shangri La Dee Da 5. Stone Temple Pilots (2010) 4. No. 4 3. Tiny Music... Songs From The Vatican Gift Shop 2. Purple 1. Core
STP is absolutely an amazing band. But. Eric Kretz might be the most underrated drummer in rock music. (I said this in another thread just a day or two ago.) And Scott Weiland never got/gets the credit he should for his abilities with writing melodies. Hell, as a lyricist. Not to overlook the badass talents and contributions of the DeLeo brothers.
STP were amazing. Those first 5 albums are perfect. The ONLY song from those first five albums I have ever skipped is MC5. Tiny Music, No.4, Shangri-la, & Purple are masterpieces. Core is good, too.
I'm so inspired by this list that I need to go back and listen to all of the Scott ones. And admittedly, I've only heard the first 5, and never owned 4 or Shangri-la... so only listened to them once or twice each. So, I can't do a ranking, though at this moment it's easily 3. Core, 2. Tiny Music 1. Purple. There might be a nostalgia factor there as I saw them on the Purple tour and that album takes me back to a very specific moment in my teens. By the way, that concert! Oof it was good. Weiland ruled so hard, they were huge and wonderful, and also literally brought out a living room furniture set and did this amazing homey acoustic set in the middle that definitely had Creep, Pretty Penny and possibly Big Empty which they went electric on in the middle maybe? I need to find the set list online. Anyways, amazing show and they join the sad cherished bunch of shows I've seen by artists who have passed (David Bowie, Van Halen, Elliot Smith, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, The Ramones, INXS, Warrant, Pete Seeger, now ZZ Top, probably more I'm forgetting). Finally, I also had Weiland's 12-Bar Blues and Talk Show on cassette tape and liked them both quite a bit! Thanks for the memories Scott.
Like the analysis even if some of the results made me gasp. For me: 1. Purple - An all-time classic for my collection. 2. Tiny Music... 3. Core 4. No. 4 5. Shangri-La-Dee-Da 6. Stone Temple Pilots (2010) 7. Stone Temple Pilots (2018) 8. Perdida
STP, to my ears, is aping King's X more than anyone else w/ Core... which is why I dig it. Similar heavy grooves, riffs and chords.. and if you listen to the guitar riff/tone on chorus of Creep- it's pretty much King's X's Summerland.
My ranking: 1. No. 4 2. Tiny Music… Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop 3. Purple 4. Core 5. Stone Temple Pilots (2010) 6. Shangri-La-Dee-Da 7. Perdida 8. Stone Temple Pilots (2018)
Hey guys I’ll say it again. Great channel! Here’s my list. 1. Purple 2. Tiny Music 3. No 4 4. Core 5. Stone Temple Pilots 2010 6. Shangri-LA DEE DA 7. Stone Temple Pilots 2018 8. Perdida “Between The Lines” is great, one of their very best songs. Jason’s right! haha
New to the channel. Enjoy seeing who I agree/disagree with each video. It’s always different. For STP I never cared for Tiny. I have went back several times to find what I’m missing and nothing. I will however, try it again. Love the OG lineup. 1. Purple 2. 4 3. Core 4. Shangri la de da 5. Tiny 6. STP
Fantastic review of Tiny! When this came out people were like WTF, what is this power-pop shit? Luckily I had a girlfriend who had the CD and it blew me away. A masterpiece!
What I loved about Core was that it seemed to straddle the eras of hard rock/metal and grunge and that transition. Stronger songwriting and stronger musicianship than much of that latter '80s-early '90s hard rock and the dirtiness and introspection of grunge. So many tried to dismiss Scott's voice as an attempt at Eddie Vedder's, but it was unique, and I think even then you had the sense that he had a tremendous range of colors within his voice. Even if we didn't exactly know how that would turn out.
Stone Temple Pilots are pretty great, although their later sound starting on their second album is definitely their best. I used to hate them, but they’re slowly growing on me, thank you Joe lol 🖤
The criticism of Core and all the hate was pretty lame. Plush was an absolutely stunning song at the time, it sounded so fresh. I was never much of a fan of Nirvana or Pearl Jam, but it was always clear to me that Purple is a very strong album.
Wow. I'm crazy about the first two albums. When Tiny Music came out, I thought it was played, tired and too derivative. Didn't turn me on much. But I will go back and check it out again on y'all's recommendation.
I was never a huge fan of the 2010 album. It's of course good music and songs like Hickory Dichotomy and Dare If You Dare are great but it just seemed like a classic rock sound that we'd already heard. And then you get to Cinnamon which is like.. an indie song? Personally I think the 2018 album has stronger writing than 2010 (especially the second half) although I do miss Scott's voice (not to say that Jeff is bad at all). My main complaint with the newer albums (mostly 2018) is that it has that generic modern rock sound, not from the writing but the tones. Dean's tone especially is just not that great, and something like Roll Me Under could be much better if the guitars sounded more like Core/Purple. I hope we can see another Tiny Music/Shangri esque album soon. My list is: 8 - 2010 (honestly could be 2018 and vice versa) 7 - 2018 6 - Perdida 5 - No.4 (Could be higher just from Atlanta alone) 4 - Shangri 3 - Core 2 - Tiny Music 1 - Purple
I love going back and re-watching some of your reviews. Is there any way you can add your star ratings to these older videos, maybe in the comments? Sure, #8 might be bad, but how bad?
@@TastesLikeMusic C'mon, I know you guys just sit around with nothing better to do. Hah. Keep doing what you do. By the way, I'd like to give to your channel but I do not do monthly subscriptions. If there was a one-time non-repeating option I would like that. Maybe throw in a hat or cup or something.
I put core as the best by far but i have to say that core has the best album cover ive ever seen it's kind of creepy a woman in the middle of a field with a tree behind her and she's holding the orb like a ghost or something
Ok, well my list is seemingly far different than you guys for the most part, and that's totally fine. You're all wrong!!!! Lmao. Of course not. Each of you are 100% right. Anywhoo, here's my worthless two cents. 6. Shangrilla. Nope, not for me. 5. Self titled. I really need to play this again. I gave it a couple spins it's debut week, and I only recall thinking it was better than #6. Once I started collecting vinyl again, I had to get 4-1. Must haves. 4. Tiny Music. STP getting their glammy Beatles on.... and I dig it. 3. No. 4. Every time i play it, I like it more than I remembered. --very difficult picking between 1&2 2. Core. I like many of the deeper cuts better than the singles. 1. I like the deeps and the singles pretty similarly, and that slight distinction is the difference.
interesting takes, great video. im in my 40s, i was into the band when they were releasing all this stuff. i wouldnt underestimate grunge, theyre very much a grunge band. nirvana are kind of meh, forget nirvana, but pearl jam, soundgarden, smashing pumpkins, these are amazing bands with a seriously diverse set of sounds. a few journalists thought core was ripping off pearl jam, theyre just idiots. core does sound more like 'once' off ten by pearl jam than anything else at the time but stp were always their own band and every bit as good as pearl jam, they were much loved by the public. tiny music was not widely received as some amazing masterpiece. people liked it but generally what they wanted was purple part 2, and they didnt get it. for you lot looking back youve had decades of grunge influence from the awful music of nickleback to the amazing mastodon. but at the time there was the 60s, 70s and 80s, 3 decades of those retro sounds, grunge was new and we had a small handful of amazing grunge albums. so its not like "omg theyre doing this new thing with tiny music", they were abandoning a new thing and playing to stuff we had already got 3 decades of. its an amazing album, i love it. but scotts addiction was destroying the band, kurt was dead, layne staleys addiction was destroying alice in chains. there was some masterpiece albums, superunknown, down on the up, siamese, infinite sadness, vs, purple, core, dirt, but now this whole area that produced these albums in such a short space of time was imploding. you could count the good grunge/grunge adjacent bands on your fingers and half of them were falling apart. we felt like stp were over, they just about managed to get tiny music made and released, alice just about got the 3 legged dog album out, but the dream people had when they heard purple and dirt was obviously over, we were not gonna get more albums like this. tiny music and 3 leg dog are amazing albums, i love them, but the reaction to both at the time was mostly disappointment, the acceptance that these bands were probably dead now and their last offerings were not gonna be the sequels to their fans favourite albums, we would not get to see them live, stp were gone, alice were gone, nirvana were gone, soundgarden were gone, pearl jam were releasing increasingly experimental weird albums to subvert their fame. this was not a time of wonder for fans, it was the end, the world of music crashing down on us while trash like limp bizkit, blink 182 and the increasingly tedious korn were completely taking over in the ashes of the amazing grunge and groove metal that existed for such a short window in the first half of the 90s.
Crazy to me in that even bavk in 2021 that people tanked band albums in a digital world you can just download each fav song from every album on their own merits. I am only 40, yet i know none of you were alive or old enough to have lived out the age of when ranking albums was an actual thing.
My relationship with STP is interesting. I LOVE their first album "Core", it's one of my favorite albums of all time. After that.... I don't really like anything else. "Purple" has a handful of decent tracks, "No. 4" to a lesser extent and that is about it.
Listography yeah, that record has some AWESOME choruses. Great ADT. Very melodic. Also great slide playing and very gnarly chord progressions ... the best late career album of any 90s band by far I think.
It's a shame that they got overlooked as just another Grunge band given the jazzy complexity they had in their songwriting and instrumentation. Also they are one of the best live bands ever! Here's a full show from 2001 that is flawless: ruclips.net/video/KO5sPkssrmM/видео.html
tbh there wasnt really that many grunge bands and most of them were amazing. soundgarden, pearl jam and smashing pumpkins are all probably as good as stp in their own ways. its not like there were 100s of grunge lands and they were all dismissible. i think grunge gets a bad rep from nirvana who were the most well known but also the most crude, basic and uninspiring thing the genre had to offer.
Yall are smokin. No. 4 doesnt lean that hard into the hard grunge save for a few songs. And the pop tunes on there blow anything on shangri la out the water
All these guys are wrong... 1. Purple (redefined their sound and each song is massive from beginning to end) 2. Core (if you didn’t grow and get introduced to STP with songs like plush, sex type thing, wicked garden, creep, you can’t be an STP fan) 3. Tiny music (fucking massive experiment of sounds that explodes all the talent these guys have 4. Shangriladeeda (it’s a beautifully well written album, more balladish but quite dynamic) 5. #4 (has some weak songs but other fantastic songs) 6. Self titled (album gets lost as it progresses) The rest are irrelevant
Alt-rock bands from the 90s that have sold 40 million records or more: Oasis, 100 million. They have album video Nirvana, 85 million. They don't have video RHCP, 80 million. They don't have video Blur, 75 million. They have video Pearl Jam, 65 million. They have TWO videos The Cranberries, 50 million. They don't have video Radiohead, 45 million. They have video STP, 40 million. They have video
Well, I went back and listened and I gotta say...I want what you guys are smokin. I still consider Tiny Music... to be a sharp decline for STP. Not impressed with the tunes, the suicide, the "I'm not dead and I'm not for sale." Ride the cliche? Definitely. A few decent songs and I do love the guitar solo in Trippin, but c'mon guys. This can't touch the first two.
Agree completely. The first 2 are damn near perfect and Tiny Music was a nice attempt at stretching out into new terrain (which I give them credit for trying) but it just never clicked for me. All of their albums after Tiny Music seemed to have less and less to draw me in. In fact I liked Weilands 12 Bar Blues solo album more than the later STP catalog. Dean Deleo is a massively under appreciated guitarist too....his live guitar tone is excellent. I've seen them 6 times (5 with Scott 1 with Jeff)
Could never see the “Core is a Pearl Jam ripoff “ at all. Ironically PJ to me is derivative and unmemorable. STP whatever their faults had their own sound but the leading “rock critics” had focussed on Seattle and wouldn’t back down afraid of losing their street cred.
This (and Counting Crows) was probably my least favourite of the artists featured on your channel. Might have been a bit harsh with the scores, but I found their music so boring and uninteresting. Not a big grunge fan, and their later more eclectic stuff wasn't too good either. 8. Stone Temple Pilots (2018) ★ 7. Perdida (2020) ★ 6. Stone Temple Pilots (2010) ★½ 5. Shangri-La Dee Da (2001) ★½ 4. No. 4 (1999) ★½ 3. Core (1992) ★★ 2. Purple (1994) ★★ 1. Tiny Music... Songs From the Vatican Gift Shop (1996) ★★½ ★★★★★ - Masterpiece ★★★★½ - Really great ★★★★ - Great ★★★½ - Really good ★★★ - Good ★★½ - OK ★★ - Bad ★½ - Really bad ★ - Awful ½ - The worst
@@TastesLikeMusic They both sound rough and gritty, but there is a distinct difference from the era of Scott to Johnson. You have to realize that the rest of the band are literally the same people.
Shangri La Dee Da is a highly underrated album, glad you guys saw the value in it.
Definitely was an album I slept on when it originally came out, but it grew on me over the years. Pretty solid album!
regeneration is great
Tiny Music is an underappreciated masterpiece.
Indeed. My favorite STP album.
True!
meh its more appreciated nowdays than underappreciated,id put no.4 as underrated or core because of how they are viewed
As a late Gen Xer, I think STP has the best, most musically diverse, musically challenging, and evolutionary arc of ALL 90s bands. Amazing guitar, beautiful bass by Robert, Scott is an all time front man...
Agree....I was a high school/ college student through their prime....they were my favorite of all the bands from that era. In my opinion the last great era of music.
@@michaelfrazia4569 I think cause of what the one guy said STP were taking influences from Zeppelin and other 70's bands. Soundgarden were basically Sabbath+Zeppelin. Alice In Chains were pretty much a metal band who did acoustic stuff with blues and country influences. Rock bands after that lacked the strong influences and eclecticism or were simply too poppy.
@@mck7646 Interesting breakdowns. And Nirvana was clearly a punk band with pop sensibilities and an introspection you didn't see from a lot of the punk, pop, or rock bands of the time. PJ also had the introspection put through a classic rock, blues rock lens. I kinda get what you're saying, but I'd have to sit those for a bit.
As a contemporary fan, me and my friends were a bit miffed by Tiny Music, cuz it was soooo different. And Weiland was f’ing up the band, a show in my hometown was canceled, rescheduled and was a strange night. But as I got older and developed my jazz ears and started playing guitar, it truly emerged as the best.
right, for sure. its different looking back, because at the time grunge was relatively new and things sounding like the 60s/70s/80s was old. so wasnt oh stp have this cool new sound, it was stp abandoning a cool new sound to do something quite retro.
now that it all sounds old you can appreciate it for what it is a bit more.
Joe wondered what impression Tiny Music made on people when it came out. As a musician in 1996, I can say that when it came out it was a big deal. I think the first song to make the rounds was Big Bang Baby, and I realized right away it was a classic. Any remaining doubt about the band from critics (Beavis and Butthead?) was vanquished. I went on a trip to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in the summer of 1996, and we stopped to pick this up on cassette because our rental car only had a cassette player and there are/were pretty much no FM radio stations once you cross the Mackinac Bridge. We listened to it over and over for five days and didn't get sick of it. I still like it a lot to this day.
I disliked Tiny music in 96. The sound was strangely softer, and Scott voice was diferent too. It took a few years to appreciate it, but in the end, it did pay off.
@@grungil7570 i remember as a kid i really fell in love with "purple", it turned STP into my favorite band next to faith no more at the time. one day i read they had recorded a new album and the very next day i already saw the record at the store. it was july, the cover was all summery and blue and green in a very mid-90s way, and i was just sooo excited. on the way home i read the lyrics to "pop's love suicide", thinking, hm, they kinda suck, but it's gotta be a great tune anyway. before i could listen to the album i had to go to my grandma's, who didn't have a CD player. when i finally got home, i put on the CD... and i was so dissapointed. the tinny guitar, weiland's shot vocals, the lack of hits. and "pop's love suicide" was just as dumb as the lyrics. the only song i kinda enjoyed was "lady picture show". but all in all that wasn't the STP i had come to love. i did hold on to the record, though. i kept listening and after a while it clicked. with each passing year i found that all the album's supposed flaws were in fact its strengths. STP showed personality and taste and foresight by not making another "purple". this is the album where they found their sound and set themselves apart from their peers. it's their best record.
The first 3 albums are my favorites.
1. Purple
2. Tiny Music
3. Core
This channel should be to 10K already.
#Soon
Agreed! More addictive than most YT stations.
I will always defend STP against haters, since they are one of my favorite bands. They always involved on each album, and thats why it is difficult to categorize and rank their music. Hard Rock, Psychedelic Blues, Power Pop, Bossanova, Folk, etc. They tried so many styles thoughout their attribulated career, but somehow critics have a tendency to focus on Scott behavior. I miss Scott like every real fan, he was the last true rock n roll frontman, but to me, the true genius in the band were the DeLeo brothers, and it bothers me to see them not receveing the recognition as musicians they deserve.
Hey wait, BOSSA NOVA?? I gotta hear that! Where is it? There’s the STP bossa nova stuff?? 😁
@@curly_wyn mostly in interstate love song
@Deep Thinking Purple is a mix of psychadelic rock and folk, disguised as grunge.
@Deep Thinking Try Sponge, Seven Mary three or Everclear. Good quality post-grunge from the 90s.
@Deep Thinking ..and who didn't yarl'ed back in the 90s? 😉
The slide guitar vamp song “Daisy” is just a pleasure to listen to...
And it's sudden lead up to the heavier and similar-sounding closer, "Seven Caged Tigers", is such a musical whiplash. What a record.
1. Core
2. Purple
3. No. 4
4. Shangri- la
5. Tiny music
Shangri La Dee Da was an album I dismissed back when it came out but completely fell in love with in the past 15 years. Probably their most underrated in their discography imo.
Kudos for giving props to Talk Show. That and Army of Anyone are the next best thing after Shangri La Dee Da.
Sour Girl is incredibly sophisticated. They stretched themselves on that piece. That was way out of their comfort zone. They became better musicians for it. You can almost hear the struggle in the track. I remember seeing them play it live a few times. They always made mistakes while preforming it, until eventually they didn't. It was amazing to watch. I think that's the mark of a great band. When they compose and play music that's beyond them, but pull it off in the end. Purple is my number one. For Meatplow,ILS, Kitchenware and Candybars, Pretty Penny and Still Remains. There's not a bad song, melody or riff on that album. I can listen to it beginning to end with no omissions and I find myself repeating tracks like they just came out.
Purple is amazing for sure, probably my number one as well, where they really came into their own and found their sound.
It's so amazing how a song can just change the course of your life and open up new possibilities. That's the power of music I guess.
As far as I could tell, STP has never made a single bad album. I haven't listened to all the Jeff-era music yet, but from what I heard so far it ain't bad at all. Hell, I was among the few who defended Chester's effort at the time, the DeLeo brothers just know how to make classic poppy rock riffs. All around, solid band.
8 Perdida
7 Self Titled 2018
6 Core
5 Self Titled 2010
4 No. 4
3 Purple
2 Shangri La Dee Da
1 Tiny Music
8 Perdida
7 STP 2018
6 STP 2010
5 Core
4 Nº 4
3 Purple
2 SLDD
1 TMSFTVGS
8. Perdida
7. Stone Temple Pilots (2018)
6. Shangri La Dee Da
5. Stone Temple Pilots (2010)
4. No. 4
3. Tiny Music... Songs From The Vatican Gift Shop
2. Purple
1. Core
Your list is 100% accurate
STP is absolutely an amazing band.
But.
Eric Kretz might be the most underrated drummer in rock music. (I said this in another thread just a day or two ago.)
And Scott Weiland never got/gets the credit he should for his abilities with writing melodies. Hell, as a lyricist.
Not to overlook the badass talents and contributions of the DeLeo brothers.
Each member brought alot to the table. Great band, great songs and albums, and awesome live
STP were amazing. Those first 5 albums are perfect. The ONLY song from those first five albums I have ever skipped is MC5. Tiny Music, No.4, Shangri-la, & Purple are masterpieces. Core is good, too.
Shangri was my first one front to back that I bought with my own money. I really liked it.
Saw them in Charlotte, summer of '98. Black Rebel Motorcycle Club opened. Just an amazing concert.
That's a great time to have seen them! Love BRMC too!
Saw them in March 97 and in 2010. Saw weiland about 2 weeks before he died.
I'm so inspired by this list that I need to go back and listen to all of the Scott ones. And admittedly, I've only heard the first 5, and never owned 4 or Shangri-la... so only listened to them once or twice each. So, I can't do a ranking, though at this moment it's easily 3. Core, 2. Tiny Music 1. Purple.
There might be a nostalgia factor there as I saw them on the Purple tour and that album takes me back to a very specific moment in my teens. By the way, that concert! Oof it was good. Weiland ruled so hard, they were huge and wonderful, and also literally brought out a living room furniture set and did this amazing homey acoustic set in the middle that definitely had Creep, Pretty Penny and possibly Big Empty which they went electric on in the middle maybe? I need to find the set list online. Anyways, amazing show and they join the sad cherished bunch of shows I've seen by artists who have passed (David Bowie, Van Halen, Elliot Smith, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, The Ramones, INXS, Warrant, Pete Seeger, now ZZ Top, probably more I'm forgetting). Finally, I also had Weiland's 12-Bar Blues and Talk Show on cassette tape and liked them both quite a bit! Thanks for the memories Scott.
This was a great video. My number 1 is Core.
Like the analysis even if some of the results made me gasp. For me:
1. Purple - An all-time classic for my collection.
2. Tiny Music...
3. Core
4. No. 4
5. Shangri-La-Dee-Da
6. Stone Temple Pilots (2010)
7. Stone Temple Pilots (2018)
8. Perdida
STP, to my ears, is aping King's X more than anyone else w/ Core... which is why I dig it. Similar heavy grooves, riffs and chords.. and if you listen to the guitar riff/tone on chorus of Creep- it's pretty much King's X's Summerland.
1. Purple
2. Shangri-La
3. No. 4
4. Core
5. Tiny Music
6. Stone Temple Pilots(2010)
7. Stone Temple Pilots(2018)
8. Perdida
8. 2018 Self Titled 7. 2010 Self Titled 6. Perdida 5. No 4 4. Core 3. Shangri- La Di Da 2. Tiny Music 1. Purple
My Top 5 STP albums
5 No.4
4 Shangri La Dee Da
3 Purple
2 Core
1 Tiny Music
My ranking:
1. No. 4
2. Tiny Music… Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop
3. Purple
4. Core
5. Stone Temple Pilots (2010)
6. Shangri-La-Dee-Da
7. Perdida
8. Stone Temple Pilots (2018)
Hey guys I’ll say it again. Great channel! Here’s my list.
1. Purple
2. Tiny Music
3. No 4
4. Core
5. Stone Temple Pilots 2010
6. Shangri-LA DEE DA
7. Stone Temple Pilots 2018
8. Perdida
“Between The Lines” is great, one of their very best songs. Jason’s right! haha
Glad you’re digging the channel. And thanks for having my back. -Jason
New to the channel. Enjoy seeing who I agree/disagree with each video. It’s always different. For STP I never cared for Tiny. I have went back several times to find what I’m missing and nothing. I will however, try it again. Love the OG lineup.
1. Purple
2. 4
3. Core
4. Shangri la de da
5. Tiny
6. STP
Fantastic review of Tiny! When this came out people were like WTF, what is this power-pop shit? Luckily I had a girlfriend who had the CD and it blew me away. A masterpiece!
8: Stone Temple Pilots (2018)
7: Stone Temple Pilots (2010)
6: Perdida (2020)
5: No. 4 (1999)
4: Shanghai-LA DEE DA (2001)
3: Tiny Music… (1996)
2: Purple (1994)
1: Core (1992)
What I loved about Core was that it seemed to straddle the eras of hard rock/metal and grunge and that transition. Stronger songwriting and stronger musicianship than much of that latter '80s-early '90s hard rock and the dirtiness and introspection of grunge. So many tried to dismiss Scott's voice as an attempt at Eddie Vedder's, but it was unique, and I think even then you had the sense that he had a tremendous range of colors within his voice. Even if we didn't exactly know how that would turn out.
At the time ...tiny music singles ( which are good) was the beginning of the end compared to the prior singles.
kramzer’s description of core was awesome :)
Stone Temple Pilots are pretty great, although their later sound starting on their second album is definitely their best. I used to hate them, but they’re slowly growing on me, thank you Joe lol 🖤
Adhesive is great too. Weiland's vocals on that track are amazing.
Purple for me.
The criticism of Core and all the hate was pretty lame. Plush was an absolutely stunning song at the time, it sounded so fresh.
I was never much of a fan of Nirvana or Pearl Jam, but it was always clear to me that Purple is a very strong album.
Wow. I'm crazy about the first two albums. When Tiny Music came out, I thought it was played, tired and too derivative. Didn't turn me on much. But I will go back and check it out again on y'all's recommendation.
I was never a huge fan of the 2010 album. It's of course good music and songs like Hickory Dichotomy and Dare If You Dare are great but it just seemed like a classic rock sound that we'd already heard. And then you get to Cinnamon which is like.. an indie song? Personally I think the 2018 album has stronger writing than 2010 (especially the second half) although I do miss Scott's voice (not to say that Jeff is bad at all). My main complaint with the newer albums (mostly 2018) is that it has that generic modern rock sound, not from the writing but the tones. Dean's tone especially is just not that great, and something like Roll Me Under could be much better if the guitars sounded more like Core/Purple. I hope we can see another Tiny Music/Shangri esque album soon.
My list is:
8 - 2010 (honestly could be 2018 and vice versa)
7 - 2018
6 - Perdida
5 - No.4 (Could be higher just from Atlanta alone)
4 - Shangri
3 - Core
2 - Tiny Music
1 - Purple
Same list for me
1 - Purple
2 - Tiny Music ...
3 - Shangri-La dee Da
4 - No.4
5 - Core
6 - Stone Temple Pilots (2010)
5. Core
4. Shangri-La-Di-Da
3. No. 4
2. Tiny Music
1. Purple
For me:
1. Purple
2. Core
3. Vol.4
4. Shangri-La-Di Da
5. Tiny Music
6. STP (2018)
7. STP (2012)
8. Perdida
1. Core
2. Purple
3. Tiny Music
4. Shangri-La Dee Da
5. No. 4
6. Stone Temple Pilots (2010)
7. Stone Temple Pilots (2018)
8. Perdida
My raking is the same =D
Talk Show was my favorite thing the DeLeo's and Kretz ever did. Dave Coutts is still my favorite vocalist to this day.
Tiny Music is next.
I love going back and re-watching some of your reviews. Is there any way you can add your star ratings to these older videos, maybe in the comments? Sure, #8 might be bad, but how bad?
No way. You’ll have to wait for the “Ultimate Edition” when we re-do them in 5 years. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic C'mon, I know you guys just sit around with nothing better to do. Hah. Keep doing what you do. By the way, I'd like to give to your channel but I do not do monthly subscriptions. If there was a one-time non-repeating option I would like that. Maybe throw in a hat or cup or something.
1. Tiny Music
2. Purple
3. Core
4. No.4
5. Shangri
6. STP
Havent heard the rest. Without Scott, its just another band unfortunately.
I put core as the best by far but i have to say that core has the best album cover ive ever seen it's kind of creepy a woman in the middle of a field with a tree behind her and she's holding the orb like a ghost or something
Ok, well my list is seemingly far different than you guys for the most part, and that's totally fine. You're all wrong!!!!
Lmao.
Of course not. Each of you are 100% right.
Anywhoo, here's my worthless two cents.
6. Shangrilla. Nope, not for me.
5. Self titled. I really need to play this again. I gave it a couple spins it's debut week, and I only recall thinking it was better than #6.
Once I started collecting vinyl again, I had to get 4-1. Must haves.
4. Tiny Music. STP getting their glammy Beatles on.... and I dig it.
3. No. 4. Every time i play it, I like it more than I remembered.
--very difficult picking between 1&2
2. Core. I like many of the deeper cuts better than the singles.
1. I like the deeps and the singles pretty similarly, and that slight distinction is the difference.
Core is their best album in my opinion.
Why listen to any record from STP when there is The Grays' '
Ro Sham Bo' ?!...
My fav is core as well
interesting takes, great video. im in my 40s, i was into the band when they were releasing all this stuff. i wouldnt underestimate grunge, theyre very much a grunge band. nirvana are kind of meh, forget nirvana, but pearl jam, soundgarden, smashing pumpkins, these are amazing bands with a seriously diverse set of sounds. a few journalists thought core was ripping off pearl jam, theyre just idiots. core does sound more like 'once' off ten by pearl jam than anything else at the time but stp were always their own band and every bit as good as pearl jam, they were much loved by the public.
tiny music was not widely received as some amazing masterpiece. people liked it but generally what they wanted was purple part 2, and they didnt get it. for you lot looking back youve had decades of grunge influence from the awful music of nickleback to the amazing mastodon. but at the time there was the 60s, 70s and 80s, 3 decades of those retro sounds, grunge was new and we had a small handful of amazing grunge albums. so its not like "omg theyre doing this new thing with tiny music", they were abandoning a new thing and playing to stuff we had already got 3 decades of.
its an amazing album, i love it. but scotts addiction was destroying the band, kurt was dead, layne staleys addiction was destroying alice in chains. there was some masterpiece albums, superunknown, down on the up, siamese, infinite sadness, vs, purple, core, dirt, but now this whole area that produced these albums in such a short space of time was imploding. you could count the good grunge/grunge adjacent bands on your fingers and half of them were falling apart. we felt like stp were over, they just about managed to get tiny music made and released, alice just about got the 3 legged dog album out, but the dream people had when they heard purple and dirt was obviously over, we were not gonna get more albums like this.
tiny music and 3 leg dog are amazing albums, i love them, but the reaction to both at the time was mostly disappointment, the acceptance that these bands were probably dead now and their last offerings were not gonna be the sequels to their fans favourite albums, we would not get to see them live, stp were gone, alice were gone, nirvana were gone, soundgarden were gone, pearl jam were releasing increasingly experimental weird albums to subvert their fame. this was not a time of wonder for fans, it was the end, the world of music crashing down on us while trash like limp bizkit, blink 182 and the increasingly tedious korn were completely taking over in the ashes of the amazing grunge and groove metal that existed for such a short window in the first half of the 90s.
8 stp self titled 2010
7 stp no. 4
6 perdida
5 stp 2018
4 shangri la de da
3 tiny music
2 core
1 purple
I also liked High Rise
Crazy to me in that even bavk in 2021 that people tanked band albums in a digital world you can just download each fav song from every album on their own merits. I am only 40, yet i know none of you were alive or old enough to have lived out the age of when ranking albums was an actual thing.
I am also 40
1. Purple
2. Tiny Music
3. Core
Never got into the rest of them...
1) tiny music
2) no. 4
3) shangri la dee da
4) purple
5) core
6) 2010
7)Perdida
8)2018
My relationship with STP is interesting. I LOVE their first album "Core", it's one of my favorite albums of all time. After that.... I don't really like anything else. "Purple" has a handful of decent tracks, "No. 4" to a lesser extent and that is about it.
That seems odd. I don’t think their sound changed that much until Tiny Music. - Joe
Where is the theme music from?
It's just stock audio from RUclips's library of free tracks. It's call Bird Therapist by Craig MacArthur.
@@TastesLikeMusic Reminds me of "Savoy Truffle", always expect to hear "Creeeeaaam Tangerine..."
You HAVE TO PUT HIGH RISE in here. EP or no, it’s still the band firing on all cylinders.
Purple
Tiny Music
STP 2010
Core
No 4
High Rise
Shangri-La
Perdida
Like the high ranking of STP 2010. - Joe
Listography yeah, that record has some AWESOME choruses. Great ADT. Very melodic. Also great slide playing and very gnarly chord progressions ... the best late career album of any 90s band by far I think.
Personally for me its core i just like it i wouldn’t say its metal but it seems it has some influence from metal
I can see (or hear that). Grunge definitely had some metal influences, especially Soundgarden and Alice In Chains. But I can hear some in STP, too.
Listography yeah
I agree that STP is not grunge. Never was. I think of them as harder edged pop rock band with some psychedelic elements.
Tiny music
Purple
No.4 and Shangri la are so close
Core
Etc.
It's a shame that they got overlooked as just another Grunge band given the jazzy complexity they had in their songwriting and instrumentation. Also they are one of the best live bands ever! Here's a full show from 2001 that is flawless: ruclips.net/video/KO5sPkssrmM/видео.html
tbh there wasnt really that many grunge bands and most of them were amazing. soundgarden, pearl jam and smashing pumpkins are all probably as good as stp in their own ways. its not like there were 100s of grunge lands and they were all dismissible. i think grunge gets a bad rep from nirvana who were the most well known but also the most crude, basic and uninspiring thing the genre had to offer.
Core at #6??????
Scott Weiland is the singer of STP.
Yall are smokin. No. 4 doesnt lean that hard into the hard grunge save for a few songs. And the pop tunes on there blow anything on shangri la out the water
Core at number 6 is infuriating! Do better, Jason!
All these guys are wrong...
1. Purple (redefined their sound and each song is massive from beginning to end)
2. Core (if you didn’t grow and get introduced to STP with songs like plush, sex type thing, wicked garden, creep, you can’t be an STP fan)
3. Tiny music (fucking massive experiment of sounds that explodes all the talent these guys have
4. Shangriladeeda (it’s a beautifully well written album, more balladish but quite dynamic)
5. #4 (has some weak songs but other fantastic songs)
6. Self titled (album gets lost as it progresses)
The rest are irrelevant
Alt-rock bands from the 90s that have sold 40 million records or more:
Oasis, 100 million. They have album video
Nirvana, 85 million. They don't have video
RHCP, 80 million. They don't have video
Blur, 75 million. They have video
Pearl Jam, 65 million. They have TWO videos
The Cranberries, 50 million. They don't have video
Radiohead, 45 million. They have video
STP, 40 million. They have video
What are you getting at. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic I was kidding a bit, but I mean that of the best-selling bands of the 90s, still have half to analyze
I think core has scott best vocals later on the drugs to me fucked up his vocals to me it got really naisly
He was just doing different styles on purpose.
Well, I went back and listened and I gotta say...I want what you guys are smokin. I still consider Tiny Music... to be a sharp decline for STP. Not impressed with the tunes, the suicide, the "I'm not dead and I'm not for sale." Ride the cliche? Definitely. A few decent songs and I do love the guitar solo in Trippin, but c'mon guys. This can't touch the first two.
the album has lady picture show god damn it
Agree completely. The first 2 are damn near perfect and Tiny Music was a nice attempt at stretching out into new terrain (which I give them credit for trying) but it just never clicked for me. All of their albums after Tiny Music seemed to have less and less to draw me in. In fact I liked Weilands 12 Bar Blues solo album more than the later STP catalog.
Dean Deleo is a massively under appreciated guitarist too....his live guitar tone is excellent. I've seen them 6 times (5 with Scott 1 with Jeff)
@@warborn_inc. Awesome. I'm also a big fan of 12 Bar Blues.
8.) STP (2010)
7.) Core
6.) 4
5.) STP (2018)
4.) Tiny Music
3.) Perdida
2.) Shangri
1.) Purple
No Weiland no stp
Could never see the “Core is a Pearl Jam ripoff “ at all. Ironically PJ to me is derivative and unmemorable.
STP whatever their faults had their own sound but the leading “rock critics” had focussed on Seattle and wouldn’t back down afraid of losing their street cred.
The critics hatred of STP really made me like them more as a kid. - Joe
This (and Counting Crows) was probably my least favourite of the artists featured on your channel. Might have been a bit harsh with the scores, but I found their music so boring and uninteresting. Not a big grunge fan, and their later more eclectic stuff wasn't too good either.
8. Stone Temple Pilots (2018) ★
7. Perdida (2020) ★
6. Stone Temple Pilots (2010) ★½
5. Shangri-La Dee Da (2001) ★½
4. No. 4 (1999) ★½
3. Core (1992) ★★
2. Purple (1994) ★★
1. Tiny Music... Songs From the Vatican Gift Shop (1996) ★★½
★★★★★ - Masterpiece
★★★★½ - Really great
★★★★ - Great
★★★½ - Really good
★★★ - Good
★★½ - OK
★★ - Bad
★½ - Really bad
★ - Awful
½ - The worst
Brian Johnson is not the "same" as Bon Scott.
They are literally the same person. - Joe
@@TastesLikeMusic They both sound rough and gritty, but there is a distinct difference from the era of Scott to Johnson. You have to realize that the rest of the band are literally the same people.
@@nodaysback8390 Yes but so is the singer
Purple hasn‘t aged well for me, I only like Interstate and Big Empty, the rest bores me to death.
Not a great opinion.
I find it ironic that people were calling STP a Pearl Jam rip off if only PJ had more than one good album
I was an STP fan long before Sour Girl but that was one hell of a track. Bob DeLeo may be my favorite bass player of all time.