@@Umbralogy I mean, I don't know that the reason for using Firefox is whether Mozilla is a good company or not, but using that argument... Microsoft???
I actually prefer it over arc already. Because of the linux support and because the windows version is quite behind the macos one, still a lot of missing features and you can't hide the top bar like they do in mac. But zen lets you do it, in every platform, that's really nice
@@tanaybhomia2784 The only difference I can think of is if you use a keyboard with via support you cant use the website to change your keyboard settings on firefox. But for everything else they are pretty much the same thing
Unsplit the tabs by clicking the grid view button (the one looking like a link icon) in the url bar. The options are vertical, horizontal, grid and UNSPLIT.
When use use split mode, there is a new button at the end of the address box and you can change the split to horizontal or vertical and to stop split view :D
To me it is an awesome project: vertical tabs being the only option made me realize i actually like them a lot; the ui is good, options are minimal but themes make customising really easy and i see the theme store is pretty active. And for all of those who say "YoU CaN DO It On Ff ToO" yes but if the average joe can skip the hussle and the reaserch let them have it, this attitude is what makes linux still niche and Valve realized it luckly
I never understood the argument that "Firefox is too slow" man I've used Firefox and Chromium for years and haven't noticed a percivable performance difference. Sure it may show up in benchmarks but, realistically are you going to notice in day to day usage? Moreover out of all chromium based browsers, why Edge? Why not brave, Chromium, or anything that isn't sending all of your browser history to Microsoft or Google.
I literally use edge on windows for convenience, (because it makes it easier to do my school work) and have started using zen on my windows partition some and use it strictly on linux now. Zen is a fantastic browser so far.
@@CripplingDuality I dual boot with seperate hard drives instead of separate partitions on the same drive. I absolutely adore my Linux external drive, carrying it around and using it on any computer was such a game changer
i love using Edge as well. one feature i really use is the drop feature where you can sync files, notes, etc, between my phone and system browser. I'm not sure if any other browser has that feature. but hopefully, they add something similar
"WHY DO YOU USE EDGE OH MAH GAH" Some of us... SOME OF US... Have to use it. That's the only way (or it was, now there is a new browser extension for this) to have access to company resources using Microsoft Intune under Linux. Anyhow, forget about MS telemetry and crappy always-feel-like-they-try-to-sell-you-something feeling... I got used to it and love the vertical tabs, auto-organization, workspaces, I have sidebar with some of my most needed apps (webpages, some in mobile view, enough) and it's a pretty good browser since the "Edge" add-ons that are on top of Chromium are damn useful.
After years using Brave and testing other browsers, this one is really neat. Feels fresh and is doing something new. I'm using in the last few days and gonna stick with it
I would be very happy to see a Libadwaita theme that mimics Gnome. I currently use the patch GTK patch for Firefox and it's 90% good. I wish there was a Chromium browser with this much customisation so that I could use that too instead of Brave.
Im a LibreWolf user, just loved the UI and and sidebar way too much to pass Zen up. Giving it a go right now, might stay here because I really enjoy the browser.
I have been running Fedora 40 Asahi Remix on my M2 Air and it is fantastic so far and was stupid easy to install (dual boot). A few things as of now that are not ideal are: in-use battery life is about 50-75% of what I could get before, hibernation is not supported yet, touch-id is not supported yet, thunderbolt is not supported yet, and built-in microphone is not supported yet. So if none of those bother you too much, you might want to give it a try! Still worth the dual-boot if you have the space...
Zen needs profile switching in a single window like Arc does it. Also, tab pinning that is similar to arc.(you are able to reload to base pinned page URL when you - it in arc) Both of those features are so very useful.
Using plain old firefox and waterfox (heavily themed) at home. Not having issues and it is fine for everything i do. At work i use floorp and waterfox... They're all really nice.
Mee too, I changed to Zen I was using Edge by the features in general, I tried Firefox but features and UI doesn’t feel good at all at least for me, I tried different forks too Mercury Floorp etc etc, but still not good as Edge, brave and Thorium. But now with Zen Jesus feels different even when is based on Firefox… and for all people out there which don’t understand the reason of using Firefox is simple to avoid monopoly, almost every Browser is based on Chromium and Safari is just for Apple, then in Linux gnome browser is based on Apple engine too, but is just for Linux, the point is that we need some competition and if we only have one option it doesn’t not is a benefit for us as users.
@@zeeweenor Nothing, which is exactly what I mean. It got a lot of media attention from Linux and Linux-adjacent RUclipsrs, but now it's "just another Firefox fork." Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I feel it just didn't get maintained momentum. It still gets updates, for sure, but they don't get nearly as much attention as they did when all the videos were first coming up.
Honestly I tried floorp and it was clunky so I didn't use it. Zen so far is buttery smooth and isn't proprietary like floorp is, so more people can contribute. I am actually blown away by how smooth this browser is, Floorp to me was literally just a hacky browser. Trust me when I say that this is lightyears better than Floorp, and it's still in alpha. EDIT: I may be wrong with the partially closed source stuff so take my statement with a grain of salt. I'm going to educate myself about it later when I have a chance.
@@Derpingtonshere Floorp isn't proprietary? I know they have some kinda sponsorship program but it's not behind any hidden code, it's pretty out in the open. And yeah, it feeling a bit mish-mashed together isn't an uncommon criticism. Last I checked it was being developed by some Japanese Uni students, so it's not super surprising.
Thank you so much! I was also stuck with edge, and because of manifest3 I was looking for a replacement for it, and haven't found anything as suitable before, zen is just perfect at first glance. The only thing that worries me is the security. Yes, it's an open-source, but it's an obscure small project, no one guarantees that the binary doesn't have differences from the source code or that malicious code won't be hidden with an update. A big concern, considering the value of the information that is usually in the browser
This feels more like what Arc is to chrome, more than edge lol. But I agree that it is very interesting, especially the way you can modify the browser css with themes. I hope they go a long way because I'm switching from Firefox wtih custom css and sidebery to Zen as soon is a bit more mature.
I would love to see MS Edge as an officla Flatpak. My distro doesn't ship Edge :/ Edge has some very nice features which are very overlooked and I am using Windows mainly nowadays on my Laptop because of Edge
I don't care for the UI argument, I tend to delete 99% of the all the unnecessary features on every browser anyway, I don't need my web browser to load up youtube AND scratch my ass for me
Been testing this browser for the past few days it still has some issues that are on firefox especially when it comes to playing media besides that its quite nice but for now am gonna stick with brave and wait for the official release
@@reaperc If it was Windows Smart Screen (or whatever it's called) blocking you, they have a habit of doing that for 'Unknown applications' until they build up a trust score, you can usually bypass it in the/popup somewhere. If it was another antivirus, well, uh, I got nothing. The source code is fully available and I've not seen evidence of a virus, but then I'm just one internet rando and it's probably best not to trust just some guy™️
Just did some tests with Brave on my M1 Mac Mini and it is faster than Edge - plus has privacy - why use something which is not ready for market it is madness
Never listen to these linux fanboys they're toxic af. Many people are leaving linux ecosystems even developers stopped contributing to linux kernal. Just do whatever you like please.
I stopped using Firefox too and switched to MS Edge a few months ago, Firefox gets very slow after say half a day and it has a memory leak. People complain about that memory leak for 5 years and nothing is solved. I don't switch to Zen, because I want a professional organization maintaining my browser, because security is my main concern with browsers.
There's an outstanding pull request to add a Zen Theme for horizontal tabs, and the main browser team are planning on adding proper horizontal tab support to the browser in the future.
The lengths to people go to avoid firefox...
Imagine thinking mozilla is a good company. I use edge on linux and ill continue to use it
@@Umbralogy I mean, I don't know that the reason for using Firefox is whether Mozilla is a good company or not, but using that argument... Microsoft???
@@Umbralogy
Mozilla is an average company with best web browser available
Firefox lacks native vertical tab support.
The plug-ins that offer vertical tabs are also very clunky in use
@@outofsync6599
I heard Mozilla devs plan to add native vertical tabs to Firefox. Not sure how along the way it is though.
Oh hey, Private Mode Highlighting is my theme! It got added only a few days ago, so your recording time was fortuitous.
This is like Arc for Linux users.
I actually prefer it over arc already. Because of the linux support and because the windows version is quite behind the macos one, still a lot of missing features and you can't hide the top bar like they do in mac. But zen lets you do it, in every platform, that's really nice
Also tab split view is superior than arc. Another W for open source software
@@robinquintero2351 that is right. But I don't know why I just can't get myself to use Firefox
@@tanaybhomia2784 The only difference I can think of is if you use a keyboard with via support you cant use the website to change your keyboard settings on firefox.
But for everything else they are pretty much the same thing
“I use Arc btw”
THIS is how you NEED to show a sponsorship. Its not hard. Thanks!
Unsplit the tabs by clicking the grid view button (the one looking like a link icon) in the url bar. The options are vertical, horizontal, grid and UNSPLIT.
Honestly that's why i respect Firefox especially UI, Edge used to be my favorite until they start filling it with useless ads and features
"Oh hey, there's this new, privacy focused browser. Let me use Google as the default search engine." *facepalm*
I mean DDG apparently isnt as private as said, but i use it
considering what a search engine is used for, a private search engine might be counterproductive (and that's the reason i went back to google)
@@luisortega8085this makes very little sense
@@TheRobot13 I use DDG for the !bang shortcuts. Saves time when I need to go into certain websites.
When use use split mode, there is a new button at the end of the address box and you can change the split to horizontal or vertical and to stop split view :D
To me it is an awesome project: vertical tabs being the only option made me realize i actually like them a lot; the ui is good, options are minimal but themes make customising really easy and i see the theme store is pretty active. And for all of those who say "YoU CaN DO It On Ff ToO" yes but if the average joe can skip the hussle and the reaserch let them have it, this attitude is what makes linux still niche and Valve realized it luckly
Yes, that's definitely the takeaway from their wine contributions and SteamOS lmao
I love edging! It feels too good and looks so smooth 😂
"share here your best edges" 💀
Firefox's UI feels like from 2014?! ah hell nah
Personally I feel it’s clunky. For my use cases it’s also doesn’t work right for some sites that I rely on.
Actually the UI feels like 2008.
I Like the old UI Tho >:0
if it aint broke don't fix it @@aluisiofsjr
@@DrCoolZomboi me too :))
I’ll just chill with Firefox ESR. Not too much new features coming every month, security updates, everything a browser needs to function.
A peeve of mine is that Zen Browser doesn't allow you to close the sort of getting started page.
Holy shit they brought the tab organizer back, I’m gonna cry 💜🦊😭
I'll stick to Firefox for time being 😎
my spidersense tingles whenever an open source project has emojis
looks super cool either way, reminds me of betterdiscord or vesktop
I never understood the argument that "Firefox is too slow" man I've used Firefox and Chromium for years and haven't noticed a percivable performance difference. Sure it may show up in benchmarks but, realistically are you going to notice in day to day usage?
Moreover out of all chromium based browsers, why Edge? Why not brave, Chromium, or anything that isn't sending all of your browser history to Microsoft or Google.
maybe because of the design and the sidebar
I literally use edge on windows for convenience, (because it makes it easier to do my school work) and have started using zen on my windows partition some and use it strictly on linux now. Zen is a fantastic browser so far.
It's 2024, you don't need to dual boot.
@@CripplingDuality I dual boot with seperate hard drives instead of separate partitions on the same drive. I absolutely adore my Linux external drive, carrying it around and using it on any computer was such a game changer
i love using Edge as well. one feature i really use is the drop feature where you can sync files, notes, etc, between my phone and system browser. I'm not sure if any other browser has that feature. but hopefully, they add something similar
To unsplit there is a link icon in the adress bar...
"WHY DO YOU USE EDGE OH MAH GAH"
Some of us... SOME OF US... Have to use it.
That's the only way (or it was, now there is a new browser extension for this) to have access to company resources using Microsoft Intune under Linux.
Anyhow, forget about MS telemetry and crappy always-feel-like-they-try-to-sell-you-something feeling... I got used to it and love the vertical tabs, auto-organization, workspaces, I have sidebar with some of my most needed apps (webpages, some in mobile view, enough) and it's a pretty good browser since the "Edge" add-ons that are on top of Chromium are damn useful.
I can't wait for Zen Browser to get out of Alpha. Its suitable for daily driving already but it does crash from time to time
After years using Brave and testing other browsers, this one is really neat. Feels fresh and is doing something new. I'm using in the last few days and gonna stick with it
I would be very happy to see a Libadwaita theme that mimics Gnome. I currently use the patch GTK patch for Firefox and it's 90% good. I wish there was a Chromium browser with this much customisation so that I could use that too instead of Brave.
Thanks a lot! I really like the UI/UX of Zen!
The browser is good but i find it a bit laggy in lower end hardware where like librewolf runs very smoothly
You should also try arcfox, it's not a browser but extension for firefox that replicate arc browser experience.
You should try the Arc Browser, it's chromium based, fast, well designed, and very practical, although customization is limited
Im a LibreWolf user, just loved the UI and and sidebar way too much to pass Zen up. Giving it a go right now, might stay here because I really enjoy the browser.
I have been running Fedora 40 Asahi Remix on my M2 Air and it is fantastic so far and was stupid easy to install (dual boot). A few things as of now that are not ideal are: in-use battery life is about 50-75% of what I could get before, hibernation is not supported yet, touch-id is not supported yet, thunderbolt is not supported yet, and built-in microphone is not supported yet. So if none of those bother you too much, you might want to give it a try! Still worth the dual-boot if you have the space...
I love edge. Especially edge dev with rounded tabs
Zen needs profile switching in a single window like Arc does it. Also, tab pinning that is similar to arc.(you are able to reload to base pinned page URL when you - it in arc) Both of those features are so very useful.
How is this different from the Sidebery extension for firefox?
why noone talk about vivaldi, which is private etc? ._.
Using plain old firefox and waterfox (heavily themed) at home. Not having issues and it is fine for everything i do.
At work i use floorp and waterfox... They're all really nice.
Vivaldi is there for all those and better.
I want to use zen but man it uses too much resources as firefox isn’t as optimised as chromium based browser. Hopefully Firefox will fix it some day.
Mee too, I changed to Zen I was using Edge by the features in general, I tried Firefox but features and UI doesn’t feel good at all at least for me, I tried different forks too Mercury Floorp etc etc, but still not good as Edge, brave and Thorium. But now with Zen Jesus feels different even when is based on Firefox… and for all people out there which don’t understand the reason of using Firefox is simple to avoid monopoly, almost every Browser is based on Chromium and Safari is just for Apple, then in Linux gnome browser is based on Apple engine too, but is just for Linux, the point is that we need some competition and if we only have one option it doesn’t not is a benefit for us as users.
Vivaldi for me leads the battle, so many thing that can be changed and configured
It is good but the main issue is their unreliable sync between devices
@@electrology I sync between 2 Windows, 1 OpenSuse, 2 Androids, without any issues
What's with the 3-letter branding lately?
Zig, Zed, Zen. It's kinda getting confusing lol.
Floorp is another good option. Very responsive.
All cool until it drains your laptops battery twice as fast. Edge is the only thing laptop users should be using in my opinion.
Firefox is like my lifelong relationship 😂 i can give others a try but will go back to ff with betterfox configs
Edge *IS* Good - people just don't give it a chance. It's just a shame it's based on Chromium lol.
Have you tried the Thorium browser?
This is cool, but I'm getting huge Floorp deja vu with all the hype Zen's been getting. Hopefully this hype doesn't die like it did for Floorp.
what happened with floorp if you dont mind me asking?
@@zeeweenor Nothing, which is exactly what I mean. It got a lot of media attention from Linux and Linux-adjacent RUclipsrs, but now it's "just another Firefox fork." Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I feel it just didn't get maintained momentum.
It still gets updates, for sure, but they don't get nearly as much attention as they did when all the videos were first coming up.
Honestly I tried floorp and it was clunky so I didn't use it. Zen so far is buttery smooth and isn't proprietary like floorp is, so more people can contribute. I am actually blown away by how smooth this browser is, Floorp to me was literally just a hacky browser. Trust me when I say that this is lightyears better than Floorp, and it's still in alpha.
EDIT: I may be wrong with the partially closed source stuff so take my statement with a grain of salt. I'm going to educate myself about it later when I have a chance.
@@Derpingtonshere Floorp isn't proprietary? I know they have some kinda sponsorship program but it's not behind any hidden code, it's pretty out in the open.
And yeah, it feeling a bit mish-mashed together isn't an uncommon criticism. Last I checked it was being developed by some Japanese Uni students, so it's not super surprising.
Floorp is open source and it's far from dead, they are working to replace some UI with SolidJS for better performance.
Nice video. I just swtiched the Linux. Going to check this browser. Great review and walkthrough as always.
Every minute of this screamed "he should be using Vivaldi!"
Edge is the best and smoothest pdf reader on windows and linux.......nothing beats it...not even paid software like acrobat in terms of smoothness
Oooohhhhh… I just want to **** the person who came up with the idea that browser should be the standard pdf reader on windows…
The edging browser is not good for your health 😢
The intro of this video was "I finally stopped edging" but I cut it 😢
Haha lol
@@TechHut Why? Being funny is not a crime!
Being overly sexual isnt always funny
It’s like going from Celeron 667 MHz to Ryzen 9 in terms of basedness.
how about the trojan issue on zen browser? it gets diagnosed as a trojan virus in my pc
I have the same thing.
Thank you so much! I was also stuck with edge, and because of manifest3 I was looking for a replacement for it, and haven't found anything as suitable before, zen is just perfect at first glance.
The only thing that worries me is the security. Yes, it's an open-source, but it's an obscure small project, no one guarantees that the binary doesn't have differences from the source code or that malicious code won't be hidden with an update.
A big concern, considering the value of the information that is usually in the browser
This feels more like what Arc is to chrome, more than edge lol. But I agree that it is very interesting, especially the way you can modify the browser css with themes. I hope they go a long way because I'm switching from Firefox wtih custom css and sidebery to Zen as soon is a bit more mature.
Why would you use edge in the first place, is beyond me.
Sooooooo... it's mimicking Opera?
i just use firefox with edge-firefox & custom css to make it basically look & behave just like arc browser
For an alt-chromium browser, Waterfox is great. Uses Firefox extensions.
It's the way things are everything is better then what ur using vice versa
I would love to see MS Edge as an officla Flatpak. My distro doesn't ship Edge :/ Edge has some very nice features which are very overlooked and I am using Windows mainly nowadays on my Laptop because of Edge
workspaces in linux for edge doesn't work yet. So that's a huge workflow negative
Theo telling people to star it really worked huh
I don't care for the UI argument, I tend to delete 99% of the all the unnecessary features on every browser anyway, I don't need my web browser to load up youtube AND scratch my ass for me
"...as what Edge is to Chrome or even what Ubuntu is to Debian."
Why Not Brave
7:15 Ctrl + Alt + U
waiting for the tab group feature in zen
It really looks promising!
Just lack foldering tabs like arc
Firefox is not *that* bad 😭. Like maybe 2018 😭 he's trying his best
Been testing this browser for the past few days it still has some issues that are on firefox especially when it comes to playing media besides that its quite nice but for now am gonna stick with brave and wait for the official release
Is it just me or is the lighting really bad on this video. Really dark - and not helped by choosing the browser dark option
How does it compare to Brave? Does it block pop ups?
you can block pop-ups or any kind of ad in any browser using an extension named uBlock Origin.
Yes and it also doesn't mine crypto and injecting tracking strings into urls.
Tried it for a week, back to ARC i went lol
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I downloaded Zen Browser and it was flagged with a Trojan
@@reaperc If it was Windows Smart Screen (or whatever it's called) blocking you, they have a habit of doing that for 'Unknown applications' until they build up a trust score, you can usually bypass it in the/popup somewhere. If it was another antivirus, well, uh, I got nothing. The source code is fully available and I've not seen evidence of a virus, but then I'm just one internet rando and it's probably best not to trust just some guy™️
Just did some tests with Brave on my M1 Mac Mini and it is faster than Edge - plus has privacy - why use something which is not ready for market it is madness
I... literally switched from Edge to Zen..last night...
Does it have adblock built-in?
Opera gx does but I don’t think zen does
This is great! I never heard of it.
Edge? Anything is an upgrade to Edge!
tab groups?
What's about mullvad? Is it any good?
FIREFOX EXISTS
i switched to Arc browser and honestly love it
How did u managed to make it run on linux?
Zen is the Arc but without the Manifest V3.
Windows?
MSEdge still better...
firefox still solo's fam
.. only downsides are extensions
Never listen to these linux fanboys they're toxic af. Many people are leaving linux ecosystems even developers stopped contributing to linux kernal. Just do whatever you like please.
Looks good and all, but it doesn't have an android app to be able to sync tabs between my phone and the PC, pass
I stopped using Firefox too and switched to MS Edge a few months ago, Firefox gets very slow after say half a day and it has a memory leak. People complain about that memory leak for 5 years and nothing is solved.
I don't switch to Zen, because I want a professional organization maintaining my browser, because security is my main concern with browsers.
Only took you two years to work it out …
Great video
People use egde? I thought that was a joke
No option to turn off vertical tab?
There's an outstanding pull request to add a Zen Theme for horizontal tabs, and the main browser team are planning on adding proper horizontal tab support to the browser in the future.
My bet on Brave....
Lacks DRM-support
Can u pls review cinelerra? It might be better than Penelope
Kdenlive*
Can it filter out all advertisements like Brave does? That's the most important feature and a must have for me.
ublock origin
I think they're planning on integrating Ublock in the browser with their own UI or something. They don't want to just throw in Ublock.
Bold gambit to kick off the video with 17 seconds of cope
ngl edge is better