just really want arc for windows to feel, stable, i should be able to go to any website and have the same trust itll work like i do in chrome, instead of still having to open chrome for some tasks
Yeah, and I'd love Arc to be as customisable and beautiful as it is on Apple devices... the Windows version looks bland and seriously unfinished, whereas the Apple version looks clean and polished, with loads of customisation and all
Have a feeling this is the goodbye message for the arc browser. Whenever a company says they are building a diff product for a larger audience against a product for a small set of users that's free, one just needs to do the math.
Arc isn't going anywhere. The number of people using Arc every day has grown ~4x this year. It'd be silly for us not to continue making it more stable, secure and performant. Our team poured their hearts into Arc. We're just not going to keep cramming new features into it to try to make it something it's not meant to be. I've personally been burned by software that becomes a Frankenstein product. I know future actions will speak louder than words but this is about building a second browser for the people that Arc doesn't resonate with. There's a reason we called it The Browser Company (not Arc). We're inspired by Apple to have different product lines for different types of people and use cases.
@@joshmiller973 cmon bro. all we're asking for is ONE feature. whether it'd be a command+K menu inside Cmd+T or a cooler layout or a nicer theme, thats all we're looking for. I think privacy is pretty important. if you think ur not gonna be adding stuff can u just add a toggle for us to turn off telemetry? its frustrating that you still force us to have it cuz i don't feel safe using ur browser anymore. And yes, stability is a concern for me too. In the time u spent designing a product that will never see the light of day, you could have been integrating apple WebKit into the browser to improve speeds and protect us from Google craziness I just don't like that you were hyping us up with podcasts and tweets for it all to just lead us to this... What happened to linear support in Live Folders for example? Also, I wouldn't mind a shared with you google docs type of live folder too cuz thats p useful also, arc just keeps getting worse and worse. you removed an actually good feature: Arc Notes, which has solid markdown features and stuff. You could've worked on that to bring table support but instead u just removed it to focus on other things, like what? and the bug/feature report menu was perfect. why did u guys have to screw it up with some horrible site instead?
More like "Work on Arc will slow down dramatically as the team chases a concept that A) appeals to a larger monetizable audience, B) takes better advantage of AI which is all that investors care about right now, and C) is original enough that Google can't just copy it and ship the same thing 6 months later."
You guys made the promise of changing the whole browsing experience and now it feels like you're dropping that midway to focus on some other shiny stuff. Will stick with Arc as long as it good and keeps improving, but yeah will drop it if it doesn't.
@@codexyt1513 firefox and edge are playing catch-up. Arcs features are fantastic and other browsers will copy it. So yes, you will have a viable alternative if tomorrow Arc stops innovating.
You know ... I understand from the standpoint of excited developers wanting to do this new thing. But a lot *of us users* have been working around bugs and dealing with missing features and memory leaks - especially on Windows, and being a cross-platform user makes them even harder to swallow - for a long time expecting that they'd be addressed in Arc 2.0. I'm so disappointed, man. Part of me is interested in The New Product. But a bigger part of me just feels jerked around.
This was confusing. So basically arc will be around but go stagnant. Meanwhile you’ll make a new browser for the masses with some sort of subscription model?
If there's no money to be made from Arc and there's no plans to keep improving it, then perhaps open source it so the community can take it and build upon it? Or do what Sentry is doing with "Fair Source" licensing, only open sourcing a version after it has been used in production for some time, but isn't the latest.
Two thoughts: First - Arc struggling with their browser being both 'it's perfect' and 'it's too complex' is like watching a real life example of "Crossing The Chasm" where the early adopters want all the tech stuff but they can't get to mass adoption. Second, it was fascinating watching Josh actively avoid saying "AI" when that's what the second act is all about is kind of funny. Arc's next product is just more AI jammed into an area that I'm not convinced needs it.
I appreciate Josh talking in terms of problems/use cases instead of just vomiting out the 'AI' umbrella term. It's as pointless as saying "we will digitise the workplace to improve efficiency" or "we will leverage the cloud to revolutionise our business".
So key takeways : 1. Arc is mostly feature complete now and is probably going to be in maintenance mode for the long-term (Please make it open-source, if so). 2. The second product is a desktop version of their mobile apps. Where it has familiar characteristics to other browsers but a lot more AI features available like browse for me, search with AI etc.
My impression: Arc is not as successful as expected, and they are working on something new with AI, which will only work partially, because AI is not yet ready to replace a lot of things. Arc will be discontinued progressively.
Arc sucks, it doesn't work properly on windows, heck even the UI is inconsistent. It has no clear identity. And the experience is mediocre and unsecure...
I use Arc on Mac/Windows and Search on iOS... I will often stop what I'm doing on my computer and pick up my phone just to ask Arc Search to browse something for me. Bring THAT to the desktop, please!
The problem with having a nerdy audience is that they can see through the “Silicon Valley/VC” lens and read into what’s going on… Wishing the best for Arc, but it seems like you’re hitting a wall and that VC push will inevitably dry up and there doesn’t seem a way to sustain TBC without it…
Arc on Windows is a mess. Arc on Mac has had no significant updates for months. Why dont you focus on supporting your current product instead of trying to come up with new ideas and leaving the existing ones half done? It feels like a software dev with ADHD is running TBC, starting one project having never finished the last and in the end you just have a heap of unfinished projects.
@@onatics That's fine, but the company is not made up of one person. Ultimately you should focus on what works. Arc is a great product. They can work on the new AI thingy but also making sure Arc has feature parity (and a complete sync like every other browser that has one) would go a long way.
Because they are VC funded based on the assumption they will be able to beat google chrome in number of users. They don't think Arc will get there anymore.
Yep, I’m sorry to say that this sounds like the wrong direction to me. At least in terms of the browser company being a company that services my needs. They are of course more than welcome to go and build a completely different product for a completely different audience, but it effectively means that the arc browser that we have today It’s not gonna continue to evolve or improve.
thanks for at least letting us know in advance that the ride is coming to an end. Your browser has been a positive addition to my life (excluding all the AI stuff that will eventually boil the oceans dry). I can't think of any piece of software that has been this useful in a very long time. Hopefully other browsers adopt the good work you have done
It seems like they failed to monetise Arc hence they are building second product. It's nice that they are failing fast and failing forward. I just don't want more AI features in Arc nor I want them to discontinue Arc.
We all understand what “stability updates” means. Abandoning Arc and the community that helped it grow through word of mouth is bad enough without expecting us to feel excited about it. Since you’ve made it clear that we aren’t an important enough market to keep supportimg, I guess I’ll check out Zen or head back to Safari. I expect similar reactions from my coworkers using Arc when this video hits our Slack tomorrow. I feel bad for convincing some of them to use Arc in the first place.
I switched to Zen browser after Arc was taking way too much ram to run a couple tabs. I've found that Zen is way faster, lower footprint, has a cleaner design and and has more security features than Arc. Never even got a solid windows version, and now the company is leaving behind their flagship product to make something that is more easy to monetize with AI features.
I need you to update the Windows version with more features from macOS, then my friends will love it as I love arc. My friends are considering to change to arc, but they want more for windows. After all, it's the most used OS.
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Sounds to me like what you wanna do is turn Arc Search into your main product and Arc into like a Pro product.
Arc for Mac has been buggy and missing a lot of features. Its still my main browser and I love its interface a lot. I get you guys need money, but I was so hyped for you guys and this is just sad.
Focus on what you already have and then you can think of doing other things, every version of arc except for MacOS is very basic and without significant features, I want Arc for windows to be better, I want Arc for Android to be better
Why can't there be a basic and advanced setting for the browser? If those three things are too much for the average person, then cut them down for the application's default launch. But for the people who want all three core features and even more, have an advanced mode. Or better yet, just have it so you can toggle any feature and keep vertical tabs as the default. I mean I am sure this has been thought of, but why not go down a more modular route?
That's the exact thought I had watching the entire video, why not abstract/hide all the "advanced" features that are kind of clutter by default in a default "minimal" setting, and leave the people that want an "advanced" setting pick it during onboarding/from settings. It would make so much more sense.
Arc for windows is such a let down it feels like Arc hasn’t made anything good in well over a year. The original mac app was lighting in a bottle then poof
Love using Arc on my Macbook, but using it on windows is such a pain in the ass. Every time I use it on windows, it makes my monitors refresh rate to go all over the place. Why can't you all fix the problems you have before branching off to another product barely anyone will touch. Also, also waiting on a Linux version like every other browser has.
I was tired of waiting for any significant update for Arc on Windows and already moved to Brave browser. So far i have zero plans to try Arc again unless important updates starting to roll out for Windows.
Many annoying things about the browser, like “remove history” or “clear cookies” being hidden behind 5000 tabs, truly like MacOS, hiding even basic features behind 5000 clicks (Settings isn’t even settings)
Almost no product will appeal to everyone. I guess your goal (as a vc backed company) is to make that rare product that does? To make the next google search? Good luck I guess! If that’s what you think is best for the world to do which it very well might be esp if you are an optimist But you can also build a sustainable business appealing to only a few millions of people instead of billions. Then there can be many different products that appeal to different groups of people. Which you might be realizing by letting arc be what it is and starting a new product. But I hope you don’t neglect arc too bad
Sounds like a misstep. Like Windows and Android are both in their barebones beginnings. But now you are gonna move on to AI. AI is probably the least attractive thing on the web in my opinion, so im out.
Bummer, I used Arc for Windows for a little over a month, but switched back because it was buggy, slow, and generally less polished than Arc for Mac. It has potential as a browser, and the base ideas are great but at least on Windows it's borderline unusable. I think I'm in the majority, at least in the comments, when I say we don't want more AI stuff, we want to be the ones browsing the web and we want to do that browsing on Arc...so give us a reason to use Arc, particularly on Windows.
It would be cool if one of these features (maybe a smaller one) was added a bit early so we can feel like we're getting a new 'update' and not just patch notes. But I understand these things take time.
So the ark browser is dead or least just done where it is at and the shiny new AI is king. Investors love anything AI. We have all been here before. They cannot go after search, that is suicide. This is some sort of AI clippy thing.
Meh. So you're basically saying you want to build something you can monetize.... like a LLM so you can charge a subscription since you probably can't get away with doing it on a browser. Arc on Windows is basically a chrome skin at this point and you are already changing focus to something else.... that doesn't really make me trust your company will support your products in the long run.
I will continue to use Arc on all of my devices but please continue dev on Arc OG and just like you have started, add the extras to whatever you are using for us as well.
I think it's very good that the Arc community is very critical in the comments. I also understand the Arc team's thinking and I think it's good that they want to meet both requirements. the new Arc product -- a super easy-to-use program for the most important digital tasks (browsing, messaging e.g. via email, time planning, notetaking etc.). the existing Arc -- And a program that HOPEFULLY has the same features as the simple one, just more functions through the UI with tabs, spaces, lots of shortcut options etc. But I also want to say that the Android app and especially the Windows app should still be the top priority!!
I am excited for what you guys are cooking in the background but I hope you won't stop innovating Arc, listening to the community and bringing new features to Arc
You should keep those features but allow users to disable them for the sake of simplicity. Or, when onboarding new users, there should be options that basically range from "I want this to be like my old browser" to "Completely change this sh*t up." This would give new, potentially less tech savvy, users a way to feel more comfortable starting out using Arc. There could be some way to ease them into newer, less familiar, features?
But, gentlemen, let’s not forget The Gentlemen family motto that Edward ‘Eddie’ Horniman, the 13th Duke of Halstead, reveals to Susie Grass in the final episode of season 1: ‘None sine periculo’ - ‘Not without danger.’ Here’s to knocking on wood for the Arc team… and for us users! 🤞❤️
@@Libre-Lol i'd still prefer to stay delusional because arc seems like a useful tool for me and i love linux for it's extencibility and customizability so :(
I love arc - I really like it, but man I’m not sure this is the right move. Arc should’ve had a different onboarding process with different default settings for users that don’t want something new - ‘let arc adapt to you’. But now you have this divide of two products, one seeming like it’s not even being updated anymore, and the other designed for the people who didn’t use arc for what it is. This needs to be one product - arc is what got you here, and it’s not yet ready to be abandoned. I love the way you guys work and how transparent you are, but I urge you to have another think - this isn’t Arc 2.0 and no other browser will be. Arc itself needs to take that leap - it’s amazing and has so much more potential.
I swear this entire company revolves around acting like they know what they want whilst not knowing, so many of these poetic overedited videos about a vision your users most likely don't need.
cmon bro. all we're asking for is ONE feature. whether it'd be a command+K menu inside Cd+T or a cooler layout or a nicer theme, thats all we're looking for. I think privacy is pretty important. if you think ur not gonna be adding stuff can u just add a toggle for us to turn off telemetry? its frustrating that you still force us to have it cuz i don't feel safe using ur browser anymore. And yes, stability is a concern for me too. In the time u spent designing a product that will never see the light of day, you could have been integrating apple WebKit into the browser to improve speeds and protect us from Google craziness I just don't like that you were hyping us up with podcasts and tweets for it all to just lead us to this... What happened to linear support in Live Folders for example? Also, I wouldn't mind a shared with you google docs type of live folder too cuz thats p useful
Welp, we've had a good run guys. I've been using Arc for almost 2 years, and it was one of the main reasons I kept using macOS and Windows, but the absolutely abysmal state of performance, unfixed bugs, and recent clown-show with the security vulnerability (how does a browser get Firebase ACLs wrong? Why would a browser use Firebase in the first place?) in these months of silence has given me the final push needed to jump ship to Firefox on Linux. Whilst I miss vertical tabs and quickly switching spaces with a swipe, I also enjoy having a secure and reliable browser. That's pretty important too, you know. Plus, container tabs aren't too bad of a profiles replacement. And I'm enjoying KDE way more than I ever did macOS and Windows combined. Zen Browser looks like a good alternative, but it doesn't look ready yet. RIP Arc, I'll miss you.
i don't want you guys to give up on arc. even if currently i m using it on windows, i really love it. it help me concentrate on one thing at the time. help me focus and navigate better. something browser like chrome or firefox can feel really overwhelming but arc make it easy. i really hope , you continue giving us the best
I think the biggest factor in whether our friends and families use the new product is whether it is free or not (no shade. I totally understand if it is paid, but still)
Arc PC, or Arc Phone. These are the only products I can think of a new Arc product. Arc PC is Chromebook done right. Arc Phone is changing the world. It's a device in your pocket that can be used as a phone (iPod, phone, internet communication device - thanks Steve), plus an AI buddy, and an I/O connector, that seamlessly connects to displays (turn the phone into a big Arc browser), speakers, cameras (for video conferencing), keyboards, mics (voice input), and more.
Arc isn't going anywhere but this is clearly a direction that is putting a stop to it's development. Arc still has a lot of room to grow and it's disappointing to see it won't reach it's full potential
Guys, LOVE Arc and used it solid for 6ths or so in an M1 Mac Mini but have had to stop unfortunately. It simply strangles the life outta my machine. Setting up a similar setup (as close as possible) in Brave has NO such issues. Get under the hood and optimise it somehow because something ain’t right. Arc would hands down be my browser of choice (I love the easels that allow me to build dashboards, the spaces feature is well implemented and serves my use perfectly) but something is killing my Mac (easels maybe, are they overloaded?) looking for help/advice here guys. Upgrading to M4 Mini on launch so will try again but IMO it needs optimising.
This feels like a huge U turn from your previous standpoint of revolutionizing the browsing and Windows app still does not have the color changing of websites and all of those features we see here. Even Arc Search.
You know what, I honestly and fully agree with this take. I tried to get people on board to Arc but almost all of them switched back to Chrome due to it being to complex or not willing to learn. An Arc Search but for MacOs and Windows would be great but provided that the Arc browser is not put in the back burner and there is feature parity between both.
Browsewith10... still, fix what's broken before starting something new. You say Arc is going nowhere... then treat it like it isn't. Arc Windows barely has any of the Mac features, and is filled with bugs. I'll stay with Arc for now, but my patience is waning...
I can't say I understood why Arc was being hyped on every tech site or channel anyway. The main draw seems to just be the sidebar: other browsers do offer "vertical tabs", if you really like that. And other features like Easel (online whiteboards), Boosts (changing the look and theme of websites) and Instant Links (the browser middle-clicks on loads of sites for you) I never hear anyone talk about. I guess the sidebar and Spaces features are all people really use it for, and other browsers could surely copy? 🤔
I've been using Arc as default browser in MacBook for about a year, but when It comes to Windows things go different. So, In my point of view, a stable, reliably windows version should be the priority, as what you said you want more people join to the "Arc family".
This is a very VC decision. Lack of happiness over quadrupling the user base in a year and not seeing a path to billions of users… I get it… but seems shortsighted. If it works, then great. But can’t see how I can recommend this product to anyone any more
Things that got me use less and less ARC: it's not possible to import bookmarks from file or other browser (I have tons of very important bookmarks). And the second is ARC Mobile that requires Android 13+.
man i really love my arc browser, and i'm really glad you guys arent going to remove stuff from it. but i'm also glad you guys are still innovating. i'm looking forward to what you guys make
just really want arc for windows to feel, stable, i should be able to go to any website and have the same trust itll work like i do in chrome, instead of still having to open chrome for some tasks
Same here
Lots and lots of simple bugs. Example: after a simple arc update, the arc icon disappears in taskbar
Chrome is still snappier in almost everywhere...
Yeah, and I'd love Arc to be as customisable and beautiful as it is on Apple devices... the Windows version looks bland and seriously unfinished, whereas the Apple version looks clean and polished, with loads of customisation and all
same, I just uninstalled ARC, maybe in the future I will reinstall it
Have a feeling this is the goodbye message for the arc browser. Whenever a company says they are building a diff product for a larger audience against a product for a small set of users that's free, one just needs to do the math.
Yep... I love arc on mac and IOS its really useful but on windows its just pointless.
@@onatics try Zen Browser
Arc isn't going anywhere. The number of people using Arc every day has grown ~4x this year. It'd be silly for us not to continue making it more stable, secure and performant. Our team poured their hearts into Arc. We're just not going to keep cramming new features into it to try to make it something it's not meant to be. I've personally been burned by software that becomes a Frankenstein product. I know future actions will speak louder than words but this is about building a second browser for the people that Arc doesn't resonate with. There's a reason we called it The Browser Company (not Arc). We're inspired by Apple to have different product lines for different types of people and use cases.
@@joshmiller973 cmon bro. all we're asking for is ONE feature. whether it'd be a command+K menu inside Cmd+T or a cooler layout or a nicer theme, thats all we're looking for.
I think privacy is pretty important. if you think ur not gonna be adding stuff can u just add a toggle for us to turn off telemetry? its frustrating that you still force us to have it cuz i don't feel safe using ur browser anymore.
And yes, stability is a concern for me too. In the time u spent designing a product that will never see the light of day, you could have been integrating apple WebKit into the browser to improve speeds and protect us from Google craziness
I just don't like that you were hyping us up with podcasts and tweets for it all to just lead us to this...
What happened to linear support in Live Folders for example? Also, I wouldn't mind a shared with you google docs type of live folder too cuz thats p useful
also, arc just keeps getting worse and worse. you removed an actually good feature: Arc Notes, which has solid markdown features and stuff. You could've worked on that to bring table support but instead u just removed it to focus on other things, like what? and the bug/feature report menu was perfect. why did u guys have to screw it up with some horrible site instead?
@@joshmiller973 sir you deleted my message?
2:50 "The Arc you know and love is not going anywhere." Translation: What Arc is now is all Arc will ever be.
And that's perfectly okay
@@abhishekmore2750 Not on windows it's not
@@abhishekmore2750 I agree with that on Mac, but on Windows it's buggy as all heck :(
@@toml8273 They will improve it on windows ig
More like "Work on Arc will slow down dramatically as the team chases a concept that A) appeals to a larger monetizable audience, B) takes better advantage of AI which is all that investors care about right now, and C) is original enough that Google can't just copy it and ship the same thing 6 months later."
You guys made the promise of changing the whole browsing experience and now it feels like you're dropping that midway to focus on some other shiny stuff. Will stick with Arc as long as it good and keeps improving, but yeah will drop it if it doesn't.
is there a better alternative if it doesnt keep improving...?
@@codexyt1513zen browser!
@@codexyt1513 firefox and edge are playing catch-up. Arcs features are fantastic and other browsers will copy it. So yes, you will have a viable alternative if tomorrow Arc stops innovating.
@@codexyt1513 There can be potential if Zen out their alpha & beta stage
@@codexyt1513 not as polished but Zen and SigmaOS
Bro fix the windows app
Don't need to, use brave
just buy a mac lol
Just use Brave
Windows app sucks, and support is silent.
just use zen, it doesnt require an account, respects your privacy and can be made to look and operate identical to arc
You know ... I understand from the standpoint of excited developers wanting to do this new thing. But a lot *of us users* have been working around bugs and dealing with missing features and memory leaks - especially on Windows, and being a cross-platform user makes them even harder to swallow - for a long time expecting that they'd be addressed in Arc 2.0.
I'm so disappointed, man. Part of me is interested in The New Product. But a bigger part of me just feels jerked around.
This was confusing. So basically arc will be around but go stagnant. Meanwhile you’ll make a new browser for the masses with some sort of subscription model?
My takeaway was: Arc will still exist, but we want to create our own LLM / AI Chat app 🤔
If there's no money to be made from Arc and there's no plans to keep improving it, then perhaps open source it so the community can take it and build upon it?
Or do what Sentry is doing with "Fair Source" licensing, only open sourcing a version after it has been used in production for some time, but isn't the latest.
Two thoughts: First - Arc struggling with their browser being both 'it's perfect' and 'it's too complex' is like watching a real life example of "Crossing The Chasm" where the early adopters want all the tech stuff but they can't get to mass adoption. Second, it was fascinating watching Josh actively avoid saying "AI" when that's what the second act is all about is kind of funny. Arc's next product is just more AI jammed into an area that I'm not convinced needs it.
I appreciate Josh talking in terms of problems/use cases instead of just vomiting out the 'AI' umbrella term. It's as pointless as saying "we will digitise the workplace to improve efficiency" or "we will leverage the cloud to revolutionise our business".
I agree, they want the slice of the market that uses chrome to switch to an AI-based browser with a subscription. I don’t think it will work at all
So key takeways :
1. Arc is mostly feature complete now and is probably going to be in maintenance mode for the long-term (Please make it open-source, if so).
2. The second product is a desktop version of their mobile apps. Where it has familiar characteristics to other browsers but a lot more AI features available like browse for me, search with AI etc.
My impression: Arc is not as successful as expected, and they are working on something new with AI, which will only work partially, because AI is not yet ready to replace a lot of things. Arc will be discontinued progressively.
Arc sucks, it doesn't work properly on windows, heck even the UI is inconsistent. It has no clear identity. And the experience is mediocre and unsecure...
Arc isn't revolutionary, it sucks. Safari is way better. There's no contest
@@lolous-studio It sucks (at least to me) on Mac too.
I use Arc on Mac/Windows and Search on iOS... I will often stop what I'm doing on my computer and pick up my phone just to ask Arc Search to browse something for me. Bring THAT to the desktop, please!
Browse for me? Same love that feature
I think that is part of this new product they're talking about
The problem with having a nerdy audience is that they can see through the “Silicon Valley/VC” lens and read into what’s going on…
Wishing the best for Arc, but it seems like you’re hitting a wall and that VC push will inevitably dry up and there doesn’t seem a way to sustain TBC without it…
"Arc is not going anywhere" emphasized 3 times in 6 mins: sounds like you're afraid too that it's going away.
probably to try to speak to people like you who read too much into a 6 minute video?
Months of silence, with no real updates... only to reveal that there is no Arc 2.0, but a new AI project?
So? Life is good as it is
Well, if this is the direction, there's nothing else to do but say goodbye. Every version of Arc is missing something, some way more than others.
Arc on Windows is a mess.
Arc on Mac has had no significant updates for months.
Why dont you focus on supporting your current product instead of trying to come up with new ideas and leaving the existing ones half done? It feels like a software dev with ADHD is running TBC, starting one project having never finished the last and in the end you just have a heap of unfinished projects.
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Well most people who make businesses have adhd.
wouldnt he surprised if josh is high adhd
@@onatics That's fine, but the company is not made up of one person. Ultimately you should focus on what works. Arc is a great product. They can work on the new AI thingy but also making sure Arc has feature parity (and a complete sync like every other browser that has one) would go a long way.
Because they are VC funded based on the assumption they will be able to beat google chrome in number of users. They don't think Arc will get there anymore.
Yep, I’m sorry to say that this sounds like the wrong direction to me. At least in terms of the browser company being a company that services my needs. They are of course more than welcome to go and build a completely different product for a completely different audience, but it effectively means that the arc browser that we have today It’s not gonna continue to evolve or improve.
i hope this increase in ambition is met with increase in workforce because i dont want the attention put on arc to be halved.
thanks for at least letting us know in advance that the ride is coming to an end. Your browser has been a positive addition to my life (excluding all the AI stuff that will eventually boil the oceans dry). I can't think of any piece of software that has been this useful in a very long time. Hopefully other browsers adopt the good work you have done
Keep an eye on Zen Browser
man, you're a child.
It seems like they failed to monetise Arc hence they are building second product. It's nice that they are failing fast and failing forward. I just don't want more AI features in Arc nor I want them to discontinue Arc.
I genuinely believe in you guys, please don't succumb to enshittification
Never trust a company
they'll need to make money eventually, it's inevitable
Comparing yourself to waymo isn't the pump you think it is.
We all understand what “stability updates” means. Abandoning Arc and the community that helped it grow through word of mouth is bad enough without expecting us to feel excited about it.
Since you’ve made it clear that we aren’t an important enough market to keep supportimg, I guess I’ll check out Zen or head back to Safari. I expect similar reactions from my coworkers using Arc when this video hits our Slack tomorrow. I feel bad for convincing some of them to use Arc in the first place.
please allow disabling these AI features. i dont want AI shit on my browser
arc has become so successful because it was built for the enthusiast niche, not because it was built for "everyone"
I switched to Zen browser after Arc was taking way too much ram to run a couple tabs.
I've found that Zen is way faster, lower footprint, has a cleaner design and and has more security features than Arc.
Never even got a solid windows version, and now the company is leaving behind their flagship product to make something that is more easy to monetize with AI features.
They're not leaving anything behind you fucking amoeba
U-turn speech
Arc is probably the only browser without a history sync functionality and you move on to a new product. It is interesting.
I don’t love how you keep referring to Arc in the past tense…
Like I know he said it’s not going anywhere but does that mean it’s not going to be getting innovated on anymore??
@@DarthMeh117he said it will be stable and performant. At any point he didn't say it will be developed further
@@jakosss I know that’s what I don’t like. I want arc to keep developing further.
I need you to update the Windows version with more features from macOS, then my friends will love it as I love arc. My friends are considering to change to arc, but they want more for windows. After all, it's the most used OS.
Sounds to me like what you wanna do is turn Arc Search into your main product and Arc into like a Pro product.
Arc for Mac has been buggy and missing a lot of features. Its still my main browser and I love its interface a lot. I get you guys need money, but I was so hyped for you guys and this is just sad.
Ya'll switched up real fast. Crazy
Focus on what you already have and then you can think of doing other things, every version of arc except for MacOS is very basic and without significant features, I want Arc for windows to be better, I want Arc for Android to be better
Why can't there be a basic and advanced setting for the browser? If those three things are too much for the average person, then cut them down for the application's default launch. But for the people who want all three core features and even more, have an advanced mode. Or better yet, just have it so you can toggle any feature and keep vertical tabs as the default. I mean I am sure this has been thought of, but why not go down a more modular route?
Too complex to build and maintain.
just the idea of it is so complicated than to actually use the browser for the first time 🤦🏻
That's the exact thought I had watching the entire video, why not abstract/hide all the "advanced" features that are kind of clutter by default in a default "minimal" setting, and leave the people that want an "advanced" setting pick it during onboarding/from settings. It would make so much more sense.
Arc for windows is such a let down it feels like Arc hasn’t made anything good in well over a year. The original mac app was lighting in a bottle then poof
Love using Arc on my Macbook, but using it on windows is such a pain in the ass. Every time I use it on windows, it makes my monitors refresh rate to go all over the place. Why can't you all fix the problems you have before branching off to another product barely anyone will touch. Also, also waiting on a Linux version like every other browser has.
Please just fix Arc for Windows 10/11 before focusing on a new product.
I was tired of waiting for any significant update for Arc on Windows and already moved to Brave browser. So far i have zero plans to try Arc again unless important updates starting to roll out for Windows.
I tried brave but the profile switching is so annoying there
Many annoying things about the browser,
like “remove history” or “clear cookies” being hidden behind 5000 tabs,
truly like MacOS, hiding even basic features behind 5000 clicks
(Settings isn’t even settings)
Dude, We want more Updates for Windows, NOT a new app for our families, which don't even know how to use a phone yet
Almost no product will appeal to everyone. I guess your goal (as a vc backed company) is to make that rare product that does? To make the next google search? Good luck I guess! If that’s what you think is best for the world to do which it very well might be esp if you are an optimist
But you can also build a sustainable business appealing to only a few millions of people instead of billions. Then there can be many different products that appeal to different groups of people. Which you might be realizing by letting arc be what it is and starting a new product. But I hope you don’t neglect arc too bad
TL;DR: They're pivoting.
In windows It's already mess.
Now (from 2 weeks) the search bar is so sloww that it's unusable.
I'm planning to switch
Try Zen
I've switched to Brave (using Brave search and Leo AI) and it's soooo superior
Sounds like a misstep. Like Windows and Android are both in their barebones beginnings. But now you are gonna move on to AI. AI is probably the least attractive thing on the web in my opinion, so im out.
honey, you... don't matter to Arc.
Bummer, I used Arc for Windows for a little over a month, but switched back because it was buggy, slow, and generally less polished than Arc for Mac. It has potential as a browser, and the base ideas are great but at least on Windows it's borderline unusable. I think I'm in the majority, at least in the comments, when I say we don't want more AI stuff, we want to be the ones browsing the web and we want to do that browsing on Arc...so give us a reason to use Arc, particularly on Windows.
WE WANT ARC LINUX
Also, weirdly Windows app after major updates loses all their spaces, all of my data and completely resets.
It would be cool if one of these features (maybe a smaller one) was added a bit early so we can feel like we're getting a new 'update' and not just patch notes. But I understand these things take time.
This is such a bummer. Time to look for an alternative.
Zen Browser is there for you and me
Try Zen
total nothing burger-video said nothing but ideals and buzzwords and Windows isn't stable yet.
Windows is stable??
got whiplash hearing lorde in the back of this video
Please make the windows arc better
I'm literally shifting to edge now
So the ark browser is dead or least just done where it is at and the shiny new AI is king. Investors love anything AI. We have all been here before. They cannot go after search, that is suicide. This is some sort of AI clippy thing.
Good it felt like an identity crisis when you started to talk about AI. Like you wanted to do to many things that don't fit together.
Well that was fun while it lasted... I'm willing to wait and see but not great feeling when no mention or continued dev or support for arc.
Great video. So, what was it about...?
Arc is now in bug-fix only mode, no future new features.
But we're shifting to focus solely on LLMs and AI, expect more from us in that area soon
just today i´ve downloaded arc the first time for my laptop. So far i really like this approach, but it feels like a somewhat unfinished product.
Meh. So you're basically saying you want to build something you can monetize.... like a LLM so you can charge a subscription since you probably can't get away with doing it on a browser. Arc on Windows is basically a chrome skin at this point and you are already changing focus to something else.... that doesn't really make me trust your company will support your products in the long run.
If they made Arc for Windows stable would you pay for it?
@@Oxilorix nope. thats why I said they can't get away with charging for a browser
I will continue to use Arc on all of my devices but please continue dev on Arc OG and just like you have started, add the extras to whatever you are using for us as well.
Thank you, for allowing us to be part of this journey. It's been a priviledge. Looking forward to this new product!
I think it's very good that the Arc community is very critical in the comments.
I also understand the Arc team's thinking and I think it's good that they want to meet both requirements.
the new Arc product --
a super easy-to-use program for the most important digital tasks (browsing, messaging e.g. via email, time planning, notetaking etc.).
the existing Arc --
And a program that HOPEFULLY has the same features as the simple one, just more functions through the UI with tabs, spaces, lots of shortcut options etc.
But I also want to say that the Android app and especially the Windows app should still be the top priority!!
I am excited for what you guys are cooking in the background but I hope you won't stop innovating Arc, listening to the community and bringing new features to Arc
Sounds like you're spreading yourselves too thin
You should keep those features but allow users to disable them for the sake of simplicity. Or, when onboarding new users, there should be options that basically range from "I want this to be like my old browser" to "Completely change this sh*t up." This would give new, potentially less tech savvy, users a way to feel more comfortable starting out using Arc. There could be some way to ease them into newer, less familiar, features?
We want Browser company to make chrome: Bhrome
But, gentlemen, let’s not forget The Gentlemen family motto that Edward ‘Eddie’ Horniman, the 13th Duke of Halstead, reveals to Susie Grass in the final episode of season 1: ‘None sine periculo’ - ‘Not without danger.’ Here’s to knocking on wood for the Arc team… and for us users! 🤞❤️
linux arc when?
Probably not, they work on Windows and Mac separately. So I doubt it will happen.
@@Libre-Lol i'd still prefer to stay delusional because arc seems like a useful tool for me and i love linux for it's extencibility and customizability so :(
Rest in Peace ARC. It was a great ride while it lasted.
Dude. Just make Arc for Android actually a thing 😮
I don't think it is ever going to happen....
tabs on top option please!
lesson from the founder: make a product that you would want your family to use
I love arc - I really like it, but man I’m not sure this is the right move. Arc should’ve had a different onboarding process with different default settings for users that don’t want something new - ‘let arc adapt to you’. But now you have this divide of two products, one seeming like it’s not even being updated anymore, and the other designed for the people who didn’t use arc for what it is. This needs to be one product - arc is what got you here, and it’s not yet ready to be abandoned. I love the way you guys work and how transparent you are, but I urge you to have another think - this isn’t Arc 2.0 and no other browser will be. Arc itself needs to take that leap - it’s amazing and has so much more potential.
To switch so soon to a different product, it feels they're throwing down the towel on Arc.
I swear this entire company revolves around acting like they know what they want whilst not knowing, so many of these poetic overedited videos about a vision your users most likely don't need.
cmon bro. all we're asking for is ONE feature. whether it'd be a command+K menu inside Cd+T or a cooler layout or a
nicer theme, thats all we're looking for.
I think privacy is pretty important. if you think ur not gonna be adding stuff can u just add a toggle for us to turn off telemetry? its
frustrating that you still force us to have it cuz i don't feel safe using ur browser anymore.
And yes, stability is a concern for me too. In the time u spent designing a product that will never see the light of day, you could have
been integrating apple WebKit into the browser to improve speeds and protect us from Google craziness
I just don't like that you were hyping us up with podcasts and tweets for it all to just lead us to this...
What happened to linear support in Live Folders for example? Also, I wouldn't mind a shared with you google docs type of live folder too
cuz thats p useful
Welp, we've had a good run guys. I've been using Arc for almost 2 years, and it was one of the main reasons I kept using macOS and Windows, but the absolutely abysmal state of performance, unfixed bugs, and recent clown-show with the security vulnerability (how does a browser get Firebase ACLs wrong? Why would a browser use Firebase in the first place?) in these months of silence has given me the final push needed to jump ship to Firefox on Linux. Whilst I miss vertical tabs and quickly switching spaces with a swipe, I also enjoy having a secure and reliable browser. That's pretty important too, you know. Plus, container tabs aren't too bad of a profiles replacement. And I'm enjoying KDE way more than I ever did macOS and Windows combined. Zen Browser looks like a good alternative, but it doesn't look ready yet. RIP Arc, I'll miss you.
i don't want you guys to give up on arc. even if currently i m using it on windows, i really love it. it help me concentrate on one thing at the time. help me focus and navigate better. something browser like chrome or firefox can feel really overwhelming but arc make it easy. i really hope , you continue giving us the best
you haven't finished the first you're going for another?
This technology doesn’t understand humans for the first time ever, bro. It just makes sh!t up. 🙄
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
I think the biggest factor in whether our friends and families use the new product is whether it is free or not (no shade. I totally understand if it is paid, but still)
every product doesn’t need to incorporate AI. Just make improvements to the current ARC we don’t need AI
I moved back to Edge, simple because of Arc's power consumption. Feels like it will never be fixed with the shift in focus to another product.
Arc PC, or Arc Phone.
These are the only products I can think of a new Arc product.
Arc PC is Chromebook done right.
Arc Phone is changing the world. It's a device in your pocket that can be used as a phone (iPod, phone, internet communication device - thanks Steve), plus an AI buddy, and an I/O connector, that seamlessly connects to displays (turn the phone into a big Arc browser), speakers, cameras (for video conferencing), keyboards, mics (voice input), and more.
Sad day... But looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Trust you guys ❤
Arc isn't going anywhere but this is clearly a direction that is putting a stop to it's development. Arc still has a lot of room to grow and it's disappointing to see it won't reach it's full potential
Guys, LOVE Arc and used it solid for 6ths or so in an M1 Mac Mini but have had to stop unfortunately. It simply strangles the life outta my machine. Setting up a similar setup (as close as possible) in Brave has NO such issues. Get under the hood and optimise it somehow because something ain’t right.
Arc would hands down be my browser of choice (I love the easels that allow me to build dashboards, the spaces feature is well implemented and serves my use perfectly) but something is killing my Mac (easels maybe, are they overloaded?) looking for help/advice here guys.
Upgrading to M4 Mini on launch so will try again but IMO it needs optimising.
This feels like a huge U turn from your previous standpoint of revolutionizing the browsing and Windows app still does not have the color changing of websites and all of those features we see here. Even Arc Search.
You know what, I honestly and fully agree with this take. I tried to get people on board to Arc but almost all of them switched back to Chrome due to it being to complex or not willing to learn. An Arc Search but for MacOs and Windows would be great but provided that the Arc browser is not put in the back burner and there is feature parity between both.
I'm so exited to use this new project...
Browsewith10... still, fix what's broken before starting something new. You say Arc is going nowhere... then treat it like it isn't. Arc Windows barely has any of the Mac features, and is filled with bugs.
I'll stay with Arc for now, but my patience is waning...
I can't say I understood why Arc was being hyped on every tech site or channel anyway.
The main draw seems to just be the sidebar: other browsers do offer "vertical tabs", if you really like that.
And other features like Easel (online whiteboards), Boosts (changing the look and theme of websites) and Instant Links (the browser middle-clicks on loads of sites for you) I never hear anyone talk about.
I guess the sidebar and Spaces features are all people really use it for, and other browsers could surely copy? 🤔
I've been using Arc as default browser in MacBook for about a year, but when It comes to Windows things go different. So, In my point of view, a stable, reliably windows version should be the priority, as what you said you want more people join to the "Arc family".
Reading the comments and how this video comes across ... looks like I'm going back to my old browser ... *sighs*
This is a very VC decision. Lack of happiness over quadrupling the user base in a year and not seeing a path to billions of users…
I get it… but seems shortsighted. If it works, then great. But can’t see how I can recommend this product to anyone any more
Things that got me use less and less ARC: it's not possible to import bookmarks from file or other browser (I have tons of very important bookmarks). And the second is ARC Mobile that requires Android 13+.
I really hope arc for windows will also get 2.0 the same time as mac and the same thing to not just a slob
man i really love my arc browser, and i'm really glad you guys arent going to remove stuff from it. but i'm also glad you guys are still innovating. i'm looking forward to what you guys make
So the new browser will be Arc Search, maybe with a different name, but in idea what Arc search is currently for iPhones.
I assume so, yes.
I wonder if the Android version has been cancelled too? 🤔