16:30 it`s so annoying that they always include lesbians, gay men and bisexuals in their stupid arguments. Sexual orientation is not something you identify into like identifying into the opposite sex.
Even if sexual orientation was something you could identify into, it would have zero implications for anyone you weren't in a relationship with. This is one problem with lumping them altogether, you can be gay without anyone needing to recognize it.
@@randomusername3873 they attached themselves parasitically to them like a cancer. Lgb stuff is over, but we’re getting dragged back in by the trans people who decided it apparently isn’t.
A good question to ask these people is : If people had a dysphoria around their race, would this justify the claim that (a) they are the race they say they identify as, and (b) children with racial dysphoria should have their skin bleached or blacked?
Having gender dysphoria is already not a reason to claim that you are the "gender" (whatever that is) that you identify with. Why can't trans women be trans women and trans men be trans men? I think the problem lies with blurring the line between getting rid of physical traits that create discomfort and telling everyone you're the opposite sex and invade their space.
Unfortunately their argument for this is that dysphoria doesn’t exist for all trans people and believing a trans person has to have dysphoria makes you a “trans medicalist’. I agree with what you said, just wanted to point out how they will literally make up new concepts and words, change definitions, and move the needle at the drop of a hat to keep up the lie.
Fact: this is the FIRST thing I can recall that made me start questioning gender ideology! More specifically, the Rachel Dolezal thing. I immediately noticed the parallels, and the extreme hypocrisy of it, as the whole story unfolded. Before those TRA defense mechanisms kicked in, of: "you are not supposed to ever think these very, very bad thoughts! You did NOT see this!" But.. funny how, when you start to see it, and you get that initial sense of "something is WRONG here", you can't really stop questioning it. Or at least I couldn't. Although it took me another 4 years to peak, (because I also fought it, HARD), but I think this was where it all started. "Oh, there's a weird glitch in the Matrix!" / "No, no, NO, there isn't! Lemme just ignore it!" / "Yes, there is.. F*ck." ..I've got the kind of brain that really likes to think in parallels and comparisons. So I think that might have been part of the reason why it worked so well on me. May not work on other people, with different kinds of brains, though. But also, you really never would have known that this one seed found fertile ground, and started growing, for at least the first few years, there! Because I was determined to pretend like it didn't! To myself, even. So.. perhaps there is more hope than we sometimes think. :) I wonder if Terians may also work as a similar example, for other people..? There are young people right now who SINCERELY believe they are, in some kind of meaningful way, not human. That they should in fact have been a different species. (It is also all based on dumb stereotypes, an overactive imagination, and often mental illness, it seems.) Although they still recognize the fact that they're biologically human, though! Whereas current-day TRAs are now largely DENYING the reality of biological sex, altogether. So it's kind of funny, (and also, tragic), seeing the Terians basically mirror the earlier days of gender ideology, in a whole bunch of ways!! History repeats itself. :P
as a therian myself i’d just like to input: i call myself a therian because i do experience involuntary animalistic behaviors and urges (if you want examples i’ll give them but i won’t get into that right now). i wouldn’t say i identify as an animal-i just experience things that aren’t completely normal and can be described as more “animal” than human. however there are people who DO quite literally identify as animals on a non physical level which is a little iffy for me. i think a lot of people enjoy wearing labels too much so they make it their whole personality. i can see the similarities between gender ideology and therians/therianthropy. all of this is interesting to say the least.
Yeah eventually it will go there. People like to identify as what they like to identify as. The freedom to identify as what they feel comfortable with and act how they want to act is where this is going.
@@DorianPaige00here you are... arguing that clothes make a man or a woman 😂 you can be a feminine man and wear feminine clothes. You will still be a man. Clothes won't change your gender, dude . Man in drag is just that. Even if you cut your bits off and inject chemicals that mimic sex Hormones ... you won't change your gender. Drag queens do woman face. It is a sort of low end entertainment for adults. That's it, women face for entertainment.
Another interesting parallel that debunks gender ideology is transage. Consider the following. 1. Age is a social construct. To "assign" an age based upon how many times the Earth as circled the sun is purely arbitrary. One could use any celestial event its place. 2. Age is a spectrum. Few people are exactly the age they claim. 3. Age is fluid. It changes over time. 4. Age has a psychological component. Some children have mental and emotional ages far beyond their years. Some adults have mental and emotional ages far beneath their years. 5. Age has a physiological component. Some people have genetic factors granting them a physiological age significantly greater (or lesser) than their chronological age. All that said, no one would tolerate anyone proclaiming an age that contradicts their chronological age. In contrast, everyone would tell that person that objective reality takes priority over whatever age he or she wishes to identify as. The same standard should apply to "gender."
If anything transage has more logic to it than transgender, if I say "I am 33 but I identify as 22 because I feel like a 22 year old" I actually have the context to know what it feels like to be 22 years old. But I can't know what it feels like to be a different gender.
It's also great at illustrating how easy it would be for abusers to use that logic to gain access to and justify abuse of vulnerable individuals. In this case, pedophiles can argue their way around age difference and legality pretty easily by identifying as minors and having minors identify as adults. They could also gain access to children's spaces (like, say, a playground area for kids under 12). You can point out then, that women are uniquely vulnerable to men due to physical differences and clear evidence of male crime statistics.
I don’t understand why transracial is bs. I think it’s more valid than transgender. Race is MERELY identity backed by your ancestry but say I am 1% African and grew up in a Black neighborhood around Blacks. I identify as Black AND I have Black ancestry…who knows how those genes play out.
What I really don't understand is how you can change YOUR gender if it's a SOCIAL construct. Money is also a social construct, but I can't give the cashier a twenty in the store and say that I'm going to accept it as fifty. Same with race lmfo
The way I approach this when they try to argue that race is biological is to tell them they're conflating genetic ancestry with racial identity. Literally all you have to do is put the word "identity" after any category (race identity, age identity height identity, etc.) and voilà.. you're no longer bound by material reality.
I align with your points, King Critical! It is absurd and blatantly insulting for my ex-husband, the father of my sons, to identify as me, their mother. When someone says why didn't women block this, I respond that we were not asked.
It's like a cancer growing inside you, and you didn't know until you received the test results. "Well why didn't you stop this sooner?" Well I didn't know and never gave the cancer permission to spread.
They never are, either. Watched a lifelong friend basically throw away their marriage because they are transitioning. I blame it on the trauma they experienced as a child(SA at only 8), but they also ARE going the medical route as far as I know, but I cannot confirm that. I barely speak to them anymore. I do have other "TransMedicalist" friends I do speak to frequently that also rank about the stupidly that's taken over.
a lot of tras say racial dysphoria isn’t a thing and therefore it’s different from transgenderism, but i would argue that it definitely is. many, many young black girls wish they were white so they didn’t have to deal with racism. i remember a few years ago, there was this white boy that was adopted by chinese parents, and so obviously his english had that accent, and everyone made fun of him; i bet he wished he was ethnically chinese, so he could fit in with his family and have his poor english and accent be forgiven. i’m mixed race, but race is very complex here in south africa due to apartheid. my father is black and my mother is coloured, but i spent a lotttt more time around my father’s family than i did my mother’s, so i align much more with calling myself black, but most people in the country see me as coloured, esp due to my lighter skin tone (i’m literally more pale than you when my father is a whole ass black, dark-skinned zulu man, but i think that’s just because my depression makes me stay inside all day). to overseas countries, esp westerns, i’m seen as black. i guess you could say i have race dysphoria from being viewed as coloured when i consider myself black, so i guess if i darkened my skin and started “acting” more like zulu people, that would be fine.
I too am mixed race (black and white) and I also get what you could call racial dysphoria. I often wish I were more black so that I could fit in better amongst my darker skinned, curly haired family members. I don't have any contact with the white side of my family so that compounds the feeling I have of not being black enough. Interestingly, I also used to have gender dysphoria and am a detransitioner. I see a pattern emerging... Maybe this is just a self esteem issue and has absolutely nothing to do with being born in the wrong body.
That's the difference, what you describe is wishing to be a different race, because of EXTERNAL factors, to escape racism, to fit better with the environment etc. Gender dysphoria is not developed as a result of external treatment, but an intetnal sense of self
@@kiedystuwroce7871 This argument has absolutely zero weight because there are white people who wish they were black or otherwise non-white while living in white-majority countries, and there are mixed race people who wish they were more of their non-white side. You’d know that if you read my comment. There are also mixed race people who are not white at all, who wish to be more of one of the races they’re mixed with, for example a half black half Japanese person who wishes they were more one or the other. Gender dysphoria can also arise from external factors, such as being gender nonconforming and being told that members of your sex don’t behave the way you do. That kind of treatment makes people internalise the message that they must become the opposite sex in order to be “allowed” to be themselves. That is literally what Egg Culture is, but it feels less abusive than it is because people are saying it “nicely” rather than saying it to shame you. Which is also why it’s so toxic. That language, “allowed to be myself” is also literally what people with gender dysphoria often say about transitioning. They believe that transitioning is allowing them to behave the way they want to. This is obviously a mental disorder caused by a combination of internal and external factors. The fact that it’s about their “internal sense of self” does not in any way contradict that. It’s very ironic that you can conceive of racial dysphoria being caused by racism, but you can’t conceive of the idea of gender dysphoria being caused by sexism. The latter idea is completely unthinkable to you, for some reason.
@@pickupmygroceriespeasant I've never heard of any documented case of a person actually feeling this deep psychological pain regarding their race without having any political agenda in it. There are a lot of conservative trans people, so politics don't always play a part in it. Dysphoria is not just "i want to be something" "i'd rather be", it's all about irrational pain that often leads to depression. Please show me one example of a "race dysphoric" person that's not some tiktok leftist. Gender dysphoria goes all the way back to ancient rome. I agree that it's a mental disorder, and if identified correctly should be treated by transition. Conversion therapy proved that trying to change a person's gender identity is not resultful. And I agree, if the dysphoria comes from not fitting into gender roles, then it should be treated before anything regarding transgenderism, but trans people often hear that they are women or men no matter what, that they can be masculine or feminine no matter their gender and that it's okay, but they still crave the opposite body even if they are accepted, they want the sex characteristics of the other sex, it's irrational, yes, because it's a disorder.
@@kiedystuwroce7871 "Please show me one example of a race dysphoric person that's not some TikTok leftist." First of all, leftists do not defend the concept of racial dysphoria. They outright deny it exists and will instead just say it is fetishisation and exotification. And they are mostly right! People who want to emulate other races are usually doing so because they're racist or have racial biases. People who claim to be leftist and want to change their race are known as RCTAs on TikTok. The desire to change race is obsessive, all-consuming and extreme for these people. But it does not stem from having heritage from the target race, they do not have any relatives who are the target race... It's usually white girls who want to become Asian (e.g. Japanese or Korean). There's no doubt about the fact that they are racist AF. They literally say things like "the Asian race is the superior race". "Please show me one example of a race dysphoric person that's not some TikTok leftist." Literally, me. You're talking to one right now. I've never had a TikTok account and I'm not a leftist (at least not socially, economically maybe. I'm more a centrist than anything). About 1 to 2 years ago my racial dysphoria was so extremely strong and distressing that I was having an identity crisis over it and becoming depressed. It eventually reached the point where I was seriously considering getting all the skin on my entire body tattooed a darker shade of brown. Then I realised that's stupid and not worth the pain, risk of infection and the risk that I wouldn't actually like the permanent, irreversible result. I've always hated the idea of getting tattoos for these reasons so why would I make an exception for what would essentially be glorified fake tan? I'm still considering getting a perm to make my hair more coily, but since perms are not dangerous like tattoos it's not something I've completely ruled out as a possibility to make myself more comfortable with my own appearance. At the moment I just wear a coily wig instead. I'm almost always wearing it around my family. In my case, my "racial dysphoria" is strictly about my physical characteristics and has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to be allowed to emulate racial or ethnic stereotypes, which is the primary motivator for most RCTAs. They have a deep infatuation for the culture of the target ethnic group that they wish to emulate and want to be able to "pass" as a member of that group in order to gain free access to the culture. (Or rather, what they are really infatuated with is their own _fantasy idea_ of the culture, not what it's truly like. This is part of what makes it exotic/fetishistic). Unlike these weirdos, I have absolutely no interest in being allowed to "act black". The very concept is nonsense to me. If I suddenly looked 25% more sub-Saharan African, my personality and behaviour would not change. I would just become happier with my appearance because I would feel that I fit in more with my family. But the more than time passes and the more I heal, the more I understand that my thinking is faulty. There is nothing wrong with my appearance and I fit in with my family just fine, not just because I literally look like a light skin copy paste of my black grandfather but also because we are already a racially diverse bunch. I don't look out of place in the slightest. I agree that people with gender dysphoria may struggle with a desire to have the physical characteristics of the opposite sex regardless of their interests, how masculine or feminine they dress, how they like to behave etc. But that can still result from trauma, internalised sexism, and other adverse experiences. If a girl gets sexually abused, she might develop a hatred of her own female body and want to be rid of it. She might feel that she has to become male in order to feel safe from rapists, who are mostly straight men. (You don't even have to ever be abused to feel this way, merely see it happening to someone else or just know that it's likely). The logic is valid, but the premises are wrong - it's informed by a traumatised mind, not by a healthy mind that observes the world accurately. The same is true for some boys and men who wish to become women - they want female bodies because of psychological conditioning, not because it's some immutable trait. Perhaps they are gay and are only attracted to men who are typically straight so they feel they must become women to attract the type of man they want. The only way they can attract a straight man is by becoming a fascimile of a biological female which can only be achieved through medical transition regardless of how they like to dress or act. Others are autogynephiles and are sexually aroused by the idea of themselves having female bodies. Medical transition is not the right choice for every gender dysphoric person who has genuine sex characteristic dysphoria. I think people who genuinely need to physically emulate the opposite sex because of immutable neurology do exist, but are extremely rare. The vast majority of people presenting to clinics with gender dysphoria are not any such people - they are psychologically disturbed or just confused. They are not neurologically different in a way that cannot be changed. If you know about neuroplasticity - which is quite literally how brains _work_ - then you know that thinking patterns and beliefs can be changed. Conversion therapy doesn't not work because it's conversion therapy - conversion therapy doesn't work because it's cruel. All conversion therapy is really doing is traumatising people. It's creating new neural pathways but the wrong ones - the effect it has on neuroplasticity undermines the brain's ability to be plastic. We know trauma has this effect of reducing the ability to think flexibly. We don't actually _know_ whether or not sexuality and "innate gender identity" (I dispute that there even is such a thing) can be changed because we haven't done the required research to rule that possibility out. Just because conversion therapy has been discredited as cruel and ineffective, doesn't mean that sexual orientation and/or gender identity can't be changed. On the contrary, it's likely that it _can,_ because trans people sometimes report a change in their sexual orientation when they take cross-sex hormones. And the concept of gender fluidity is literally based on the gender identity constantly changing. The assertion that these characteristics can't be changed should be challenged. It's an assertion that literally makes Queer Theory internally contradictory.
My brother and I called in to ask the same question a few months ago. Their response boiled down to “there’s no empirical evidence of racial dysphoria, so it would be offensive to accept it until then”
@@masscreationbroadcasts I don’t remember exactly, but I don’t think we did. We were trying to play it off really cool like “how do I answer people who say transracialism is equally valid?” and then just sat back and listened to their hypocrisy. It was the show on 12.28.2023 if you’re interested, caller named “John”
That’s not true! There’s plenty of evidence of dark skinned girls bleaching skin, straightening hair, having surgeries to alter their racial facial features to more European/white aesthetic! It’s a very well known phenomenon that has affected most cultures!
I'm of European descent, and as a small child I believed that I was Japanese. I never talked about it because I believed it to be inherent, in the same way that I had hands and feet. The belief was so strong that I sometimes wonder if reincarnation exists, and that I was Japanese in a past life. I worked with a mother who said her son believed he was Mexican (he was not). How can anyone say that there is no racial dysphoria? Fortunately no adult was affirming my Japanese-ness, so I outgrew it.
Excellent response. These scripted videos are so razor sharp. The trans race question is what lead to the ultimate demise of my belief in gender identity, and it took many years. I was absolutely stumped by it. I combed the internet for answers, because i knew it had to be different. But nobody actually could answer the question. I thought i had to be missing something, i had to just be dumb because i couldnt make sense of it in my mind.This video you responded to is pretty much standard for gender nuts trying to answer it. And they would give these responses with such conviction and imply that its so obvious how it was different, yet all they did was dance around the question. My professor once posed the question to our class, and while i was trying to answer it, it kept falling apart in my mind while i was talking. I got so frustrated with myself, and thought about it seriously every month for 5 or 6 years until i accepted that it was just as much bullshit as transgenderism.
Excuse me, transphobe. I think you mean, "people who menstruate face". Just because you birthing people can produce theybies from your front Vs and nurture them with your chest feeding you think you own the whole ladies book club? I can leak fluids out of my nipples too, all I need is an internal sense of self, a prescription, and the police to police my pronouns.
These people tend to believe in CRT. Just ask them if racial identity exists, and they might tend to agree. If so, then one CAN identify as another race
Thank you for helping me realise just how bananas the trans ideology truly is. I drank the kool aid for the longest time, a few terms/reasonings bothered me but I brushed them off because I thought I still believed in their core values. More and more started bothering me but I couldn’t articulate what exactly. You’re a gem.
Even if people are bringing up the "trans-racial" angle with dishonesty, so what? If trans ideology is a full-proof ideological concept then it should be able to stand and be simple enough to dismantle something that is seen as "dishonest" while retaining it's material truth. It's just funny how these people just do not see how nebulous and ridiculous the trans ideology is and it's why they try so hard to get people to not try to even question it because once you do, it starts to not make sense and the "trans racial" or even "trans-species" arguments really demonstrate this untenable belief. 18:06 LOL... (The Curb Your Enthusiasm theme playing in the background as we see various images of trans-identifying men taking on stereotypes of women from mild to super AGP style) They really walked into that one, if you shouldn't fall on stereotypes for trans-racialism, why is it different when it comes to sex class? Hmm....
A natal female can instill a male puberty with testosterone and massive changes would happen. It's always a transwoman argument because they don't change as much especially if they are large. Sure the chromosomes will be the same but the body will develop when the medicine is taken into the body and processed. The Louisiana governor has no problem with castrating sex offenders and thus giving them low dose estrogen for bone maintenance saying that one can live a healthy life for years. My question to you is why are transgender people treated worse than that by denying them medicine? Why should the incentive be to offend as the only legal way to obtain gender affirming care? As a side-note adult bans are effectively in place in Florida and now South Carolina where a doctor can not be reimbursed with Medicaid or Medicaid dollars for any other procedure non-transgender related for any non-transgender patient. A doctor is totally excluded and thus will be bankrupt. In Florida, 80% of adult transgender patients lost their provider because the Draconian regulations make it unprofitable. There literally has been over 5,000 laws proposed over the last couple years regarding this group.
Unlike sex, transracialism is literally a spectrum that's (largely) socially constructed. And unlike sex it's not important to racially segregate things like sports, locker rooms, and prisons. Therefore transracialism is both infinitely more valid and less societally damaging than transgenderism.
also, trans racial isnt ONLY an argument against trans ideology. there are PLENTY of people who wish they were korean or japanese due to their fetishization of their desired culture. there are plenty of people who wish they were white to be treated better by society. there are plenty of people who wish they were black to be treated better by society. you can culturally observe this for the past hundreds of years. even in modern day you see white or asian or middle eastern people performing black culture and they could easily say “oh i LIVE as a black person” which would be absurd.
Transracialism actually makes a lot more sense. Race isn't even a thing in humans, and the thing we call "race" is just some variable of the skintone, which is certainly something that can change (go watch the white people at the beach in the summer).
Speaking as an anthropologist, race does have a biological component to it. If humans were described how we describe other organisms, race absolutely could be broken down into subspecies. Though this concept is starting to fall out of favor across the biological field as subspecies is difficult to quantify. Though, race isn’t just skin deep. There are a mosaic of traits that are found within each racial group that exist because their population were at one point isolated from other populations. Humans, just as any other animal species are at the mercy of evolutionary change and speciation. There is about the same level of genetic diversity between human races as there are between chimpanzees and bonobos, yet the latter two are regarded as separate species. All three species are great apes more closely related to each other than to gorillas. For the sake of consistency, race should be recognized as biological diversity aka subspecies within a species, or chimpanzees and bonobos should be regarded as the same species. Regardless, transgender and transracial are allegorical to each other. I see no reason why one should be more socially acceptable than the other. I’d even add trans-species to the table since these are all basically a social construct.
@logenvestfold4143 Good thing we don't let anthropologists decide things about biology then, because you have no idea what you're talking about. Altho, you also don't know what you're talking about concerning anthropology either, so I don't know what to tell you. But you've clearly gone off the deep end into fantasy land.
@@Canthavemybones yup, live action role playing. You can be a dinosaur, a person of color or a member of another sex or gender according to transgender nonbinary ideology
@@Canthavemybones kids do it. Only children should do it. Adult human beings should be ashamed of themselves if they do it. There is no pride in being an adult who is LARPing.
So glad you challenged Arden on this. And you did it so well. I watched a few videos of Transatlantic expecting the same standards of argument to trans issues as is delivered generally on atheist topics this host covers. I wanted to understand since I was having concerns as to how so little of the trans activist arguments were based on anything measurable and I could see the terrible consequences such beliefs could lead to for others, especially women and children. I was immediately struck by the dishonesty, the dodges, the mocking and talking over callers, and how these hosts were using the same flawed argument style and fallacies that they rip apart when discussing atheism. So thanks again, KC. More of these well thought out challenges are needed to counter people like Arden who ride largely on popularity, counting on that being enough to be taken at their word.
There isn't an external quality that coresponds with gender? Oh man, i guess every human being up until about 5 minutes ago was just stupid and wrong. I am so glad i live in the age of information.
The transracial stuff is what made me start question the mainstream narrative on gender identity etc. No one can take the pro - gender identity arguments, apply them consistently to a "transracial" identity and not realize that by the same standards, transracial is at least as legitimate if not more than transgender (as a category of sorts, not as a reality obviously, I'm not arguing in favor of discrimination etc. that's something completely different that trans activists don't seem to get)
10:54 You gotta love the programming error this NPC is having when they need to both have "born this way" and "anyone can identify as LGBT" at the same time.
Transracial actually makes some sense. I look like a white person, but i do have a small percentage african dna. Technically i am african. If i identified that way it wouldnt be incorrect, although it would look pretty silly considering i look thoroughly caucasian.
There are many white people in the United States who claim to be part Native American, even though they are not one bit. Would they count as transracial?
From what I've seen, every TACIS short that gets posted gets a negative response from commenters (and that's even with many commenters getting censored). The longer videos get more positive responses. I'm guessing that's either cos supporters are more willing to watch their longer content or they censor their longer content more thoroughly. Either way, it's worth checking out the comments on TACIS shorts. Also, their idea of a call going "well" is really strange. They edited one of my calls into a video (ruclips.net/video/NGaviBe38cI/видео.html) and it's the one where the hosts are constantly contradicting themselves and each other which makes them look like complete idiots. I guess they think me being confused by their contradictory nonsense means when they're beating me, LOL. It's like they think they're playing Undertale and the goal is to mentally trick me into not fighting them, rather than actually convince me of anything.
That is interesting actually. I mean my understanding is that the show is hosted on an atheist channel so i guess a lot of people there aren't necessarily likely to be fans of trans ideology
This is all very rational and reasonable and aligns with what most people probably think but can’t articulate. The scary thing is that when I was growing up, this is how the mainstream thought. This would be the compassionate cultural position. But now, this rational thought sounds unusual and subversive and would not be aired in mainstream media for fear of it being too extreme. Let’s hope things normalise and it becomes socially acceptable to engage your brain again.
Have you ever noticed that people talking about transexuals haven't had genital surgery. Really tired of them pushing thier clothing fetish and sexual orientation issues onto my transexual medical history.
I used to be a huge fan of the Line and all their hosts until they exposed their own fallacies and cognitive dissonance with trans topics. They’re incredibly arrogant and equally dishonest.
Many channels and people like that unfortunately.... 😔 I stopped watching and unsubscribed to so many channels over this. I just can't take anything they say seriously after that. I mean, if you are blind to these glaring fallacies and inconsistencies, who know what else you are blind to. And if you do it for clout and grift, even worse.
@@saoirse2963 exactly. They’re not people I can take any serious intellectual guidance from and it made me rethink all their other talking points on various topics. I’d feel so much better if it was a grift but they are definitely true believers or just afraid of any form of dissent.
I also like the transage comparison and even asked it once to them. The transage argument has the advantage that age roles clearly exists. Adults are for example not expected to play with dolls. And people also already say ´I feel old´. And the inheritance argument doesn´t work of course as you pointed out in the video.
If adults want to play with dolls... well what is your objection to that exactly? The other way around you can see where it mught be problematic bc kids dont have the wisdom of adults, but seriously if a 40 y o man wants to play with dolls or whatever whats your issue?
@@HalasterBlackCloak-u2w I don't have an objection. Just like I do not have an objection to men wearing dresses. The problem arises when they identify as children or women.
Notice how in the “argument” the fact that there is some indication of heritability in the “L”, only the “L” as far as I know, it’s just applied to the entire “LGBT” - is there ANY evidence suggesting that the there a heritable component to the “T”? None that I’ve heard of, and I’m sure that if there was, it would have a pillar of their arguments by now. So once again the “T” attaches itself to the other categories, to which there’s no actual relation, they are not remotely the same, and we are just supposed to not notice that.
It's funny that one of them refers to the fact it's inappropriate to take on stereotypes of race, when that's exactly what most trans people are doing in terms of gender; long hair, a dress and makeup doesn't make a woman, just like short hair doesn't make you a man...
The one ingredient that transracialism is still lacking is the veneer of science, but all it would take would be for some professor at a university with a PhD or other credentials after their name to study the phenomenon and publish a paper filled with graphs and charts in a scientific journal and to have it be accepted by the cathedral. Any social justice activist looking for a new pet cause could then point to the existence of the paper (even if they haven't read it) whenever it's pointed out that their talking points don't make sense. The sticking point at the moment is that researchers don't know in advance if the cathedral would accept their work, but there'd quickly be a flood of such papers if this were signaled.
The primary argument for the difference is that gender is a biologically meaningful set of traits driven towards reproduction. Race doesn't carry any of this biological power. There's almost nothing more powerful than the biological drive to reproduce. That's why most people automatically see a difference. Race is much shallower and limited to appearance.
Race, biologically speaking, doesn't exist. We all are far and away much more the same than we are different. Race, politically speaking, socially and culturally speaking, DO exist, yes. But if we are to differentiate peoples based on their skin colour, if we measure by that yardstick, then we could use eye colour or hair colour as a means to differentiate ourselves with absolutely just as much validity!
If we can honor and take people at face value when they say they identify as the oppsite gender, we should honor what someone trans racial says if its the same concept and practice. Anyone who says "I identify as ______" we should just honor and agree. People cant have their cake and eat it too. Its fucked to yes to one group of people and no to another.
I hate transphobes and people who see other people as lesser because of some intrinsic quality about them, but this is a situation where I don't think I agree with the "good side". I want to support these people but I do appreciate taking the time to make a logical, fact-driven argument to point out where transgenderism doesn't make sense. It's like yes, I support you, but I don't agree with you. The thing with it too is if you fight against it at all you're instantly labeled a transphobe and a bigot, when really from at least this video it doesn't seem like you are, you're just pointing out actual holes in the argument that should be addressed.
The vast majority of people against trans ideology don't think lesser of "trans" people. That's something TRAs made up to demonise those that disagree with them.
Even when someone is asking a question dishonestly (thought experiments are not dishonest though) that only means that person wont change their mind. On a public conversation it is still useful to respond if that was the only problem because the less biased people in the audience can still be convinced
what’s so interesting is that people have identified into races all the time. race classification debates have been a long standing precedent, with the law even stepping in to try and guide this such as the one drop rule
The best defense against transfacialism is imho the biological component of race. Just as with your sex (and 99% of the time your gender as well), your race is determined by your genetic makeup. Not your culture, not your morals, not your way of seeing the world. Just your genetics.
The irony is that "race" has even historically been more of a "social construct" than gender. In the sense that its not just skin color, but also commonly status. Two people can be the same ethnicity, but of the "white" race if they were being receptive to english culture, the other being "yellow" if they stuck with their asian culture. Or I guess the same way that Kamala is black... Essentially, being "trans race" has a lot more of an actual backing to it that could be logical than gender ever could, just based on history. Granted the entire thing with race being based on status is often more of a dehumanization tactic, but just saying, that's actually been variable based on social status.
Roxanne Tickle (ridiculous childish name) wept outside an Australian court because he has always “felt like a woman”, because he likes wearing dresses, and putting on makeup. As though all women do that. What makes someone “feel like a woman”? Ask a female or a male how they “feel” like the sex that they are. Neither me, nor my husband , can come up with an answer.
The way I rationalize transsexual people vs transracial people is that there is no psychological difference between the races that we know of. With men and women we know their brains are different and as a result lead them to act differently. So to me it makes sense someone could develop a birth defect that causes their brain to be structured more similarly to the opposite sex, which we perceive as the mental disorder "gender dysphoria" Meanwhile with race, there's really no actual measure of this because we often boil down race to things like black, white, latino, asian, etc. The problem here is a white Russian person is not going to be born the same as a white person in the US. There's too many factors and variance to make any case for a specific pattern that one race is different brain composition wise. It's why I feel like the transracial or transage stuff is more just a paraphilia rather than a distressing mental disorder like gender dysphoria
I have been saying for a while now where the atheist talk shows/podcasts have actually adopted a new form of religion. A lot of the same arguments that would have been shut down in The Atheist Experience is now being used to defend their position on the matters of factual claims. Which makes me sad, because one of the biggest criticisms Christians levied against people like me who are atheist's, that I am only rejecting their religion while believing in my own self made one (science was a common example). Which is was just a coping mechanism after hearing that someone didn't buy into the same belief system or one at all. Now it just seems like this Christians guessed correctly in some instances.
The claim that sexism is far more wise spread abd historically routed than sexism is a ridiculous one. Plus the whole „opression olympics route“ is a bad one to go down, because you never mention „trans men“ during that part of any „debate“ because it complicates your argument
It seems like the argument is we are in a post-racial society (which isn't true), but we are not in a post-gender one. People actually believe there is something inherently different (spiritually) between man and woman, but they don't believe there is something different between different races.
Tbf, the fact that gender critical people are distinguishing between sex and gender does kinda go to show that trans ideology raised at least one legitimate point.
@d007ization Agreed Sex is a factual reality. Gender is different..it is what some wish or imagine themselves to be. Such people deserve respect, understanding and the appropriate treatment.
bro just offended a whole bunch of intersex individuals with either male or female presenting phenotypes. also when you account for what race differences in genes code for in comparison to what the xx or xy code for you find that xy and xx differences code for more deeper biological processes, a bug one being skeleton morphology and brain wiring and gray and whute matter distribution, additionally the monthly functionality of the hypothalamus and purtitary gland. race of the other hand is mostly presented in external phenotypes, like height, skin tone. So yeah to be purely objective is all genetics and if you can be a different gender you can be a different race. additionally anyone who chooses to argue against this ask your self have you ever argued the idea of the creation of whiteness as a tool of oppression of non whites, which is a social contruct you seem to accept. you do inherit your parents age, its scientifically known the later you have children the more likely they are you have some sort of disability or genetic defect. my last point their are many examples of children being discovered been raised by wild animals, to which im fairly sure those children very much did not see them selves as human, an example of transpecies. i quite frankly just think its because most people feel that being a different race your not is more touchy than gender. its a todem pole of percieved oppression where race sits below gender.
The conflation of race and ethnicity in US American discourse makes the original question very difficult to understand and deal with properly. The analogy should be: race/sex and ethnicity/gender. Although race and sex are based in physical reality (race to a much lesser extent of course, as genetic variation within homo sapiens does not come close to the standard used in biology. The animal dog has real races - the animal human does not.) So, can you ”become black”, like Rachel Dolezal attempted/claimed to have? Racially, well no. Socially, that is ethnically - well of course! ”Changing” or transcending the ethnicity you were born and raised it is the story of countless people throughout all of human history. You will always have this history of transcending, though. I was A, and became B. That is not a bad thing in and out if itself. It seems to me that some people have a neurotic fear of this change, ironically. That to me seems to be the real transfobia: hating the ’trans-’ and only acknowledge the ’-woman’ of transwomen
Here’s the sufferers and see if you spot it. Race and racial identity is not an internalised thing. There are tons of people of different races who feel comfortable appreciating art forms that are usually not associated with their racial community. For example there are blank people who love rock music and country music there are white people who love hip hop and rap. It’s not seen as purely dosh to race of you like those Yong’s. It’s not an internal thing. Your gender identity is an internal thing that your gender identity doesn’t match your body. I know this difficult for people the anti trans side to understand. That a lot of trans people try to deny the feelings especially with the climate now Brcause who wants to be told they are making people uncomfortable or they are potential groomers.
Here's the problem with your argument. You assume natal women have this "internal feeling" about our sex or our identity as women which is what makes us women, the problem is... we don't. I'm a woman because I'm an adult human female and that's about it. Being a woman isn't a feeling, an expression or a performance... It's an immutable trait that is entirely biological and objective. So no, I don't think trans identified males are actually women. Most people don't either.
@@nataliekhanyola5669most people are wrong then. It doesn’t matter it’s a reality. Again being of female sex is one thing, then we have womanhood where people’s expression of they looks different. Now for a small percentage the same way we get a smell percentage who have two eyes a different colour or the heart on the wrong place. Their body doesn’t match its not an argument and the fact you think it’s one of the issue it isn’t. This is t like of one believes in a fox or one’s political beliefs. All of which are subjective opinions this an experience that is stressful especially if you are forced which people thanks to the cass report looks likely to go through the wrong puberty. Now things things are demonstrably things that happen in peoples lives. I’m Not trans I just was alive in the 90s when people said the same things about gay people
@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs Except it is! Sex is an immutable, biological trait, it's not some "pathway" you can take or change... no matter how much trans activists wish it were. I can't change my sex, and neither can the men who claim to be women. Likening sex to a pathway is like saying your species is a pathway, "being human is a pathway that not all people take, some people can choose to identify as Goldfish or Horses." To me that's how ridiculous trans activists sound.
I love that you take Katie Montgomerie on and he replies twice then runs a mile cos he's not nearly as intelligent as he thinks he is. 😂 Thanks for doing that!
I know that I am probably the only person in this comment section that pushes back against the notion presented in this video either because this video is not recommended to people that have a differing opinion or because they do not watch videos like that because of personal preference. I will ignore the framing in this and other videos of yours and will jump to your arguments right away while still emphasising that a good faith debate looks different than what is presented here or in your comment sections. The problem with the comparison between Transgenderism and Transracialism does not have to be debated on an ontological level but it simply does not help us in determining the validity of either of those. It is totally valid arguing on this level simply because basically all examples of transracial individuals that we could see are (as mentioned in the video) examples of people that identify themselves as transracial due to gaining an advantage, either attention as for example Oli London who since is a devout christian or Dolezal who identified as transracial to get admitted to University. We do not have empirical evidence for "race dysphoria" except for people that experience racism and are therefore uncomfortable with their racial disposition which is entirely exogenous compared to the necessary endogenous gender dysphoria experienced by trans individuals hence the scarcity in examples of transracial individuals (the topic itself culminated around 5 years ago and is totally unimportant in contemporary discourse). Additionally we do not even have an idea on the mechanism of how someone would identify as transracial especially because there are no psychological differences in human "races" whereas we do have theories and brain scan evidence of systemic differences in trans brains compared to cis individual brains. Even without all of those observations it is nonsensical solving the question of trans identity through a transracial analogy because we do have evidence of the effectiveness of gender affirming care and we do have evidence of the ineffectiveness and impossibility of trying to make use of conversion therapy or other means of "making people not trans" without having to look at transgender identity through a philosophical lens, leading us to the conclusion that the way we help and look at transgenderism at the moment is broadly correct even when having differing opinions on individual claims or arguments. On a last note I think that discussions like these usually stem from the politicisation of topics like trans identity that make us sway away from evidence based treatments and current medical debates which is usually not helpful to anyone involved in trans affirming care or the public perception of trans people. If anyone actually reads this and wants to reply to my comment I want to say in advance that I am not interested in debating or answering people denying simply proven medical evidence around trans individuals and my claims surrounding these topics and would simply advise anyone that wanted to do that to read and investigate those topics as it is not worth my time backing up claims that can be answered by a search engine in less than five minutes.
@pinktod9253 Delusion:- The unshakeable belief that something is true despite hard evidence to the contrary. Transracial.... Delusional Transgender..Delusional Any hard evidence out there to disprove either?
@@brockreynolds870 Racist "jokes" aren't funny unless they're meant to make fun of racism itself. This "joke" was simply an insensitive reference to a racial stereotype. And good fucking lord to you, too.
@@saoirse2963 I know he didn't mean to, but he slipped up and made a racist joke. It's not the end of the world and it doesn't mean he's a horrible person. We all make mistakes. He seems to be a man of integrity so I'd guess he'd prefer to avoid repeating it.
race is a social construct based on lineage. gender is a social construct based on neurology. your race is going to be determined by the race of your parents. your gender is going to be determined by your brains wiring. acting like the two can be conflated and you can just opt in and out of identities for either one is intentionally bad faith.
Before a pedophile created the term "gender identity", the term gender referred to a grammatical concept, not expression or brain wiring. Men and women are therefore technically not genders although in some languages they are gendered. Men and women are sexes not expression or brain wiring.
Race is also based on neurology in the way sex is based on biology. Infact, he addressed this in the video by claiming that if we were to be honest, we could just construct a "racial identity" that has high correlation with race but can differ. Just like gender identity and sex. We could also claim that racial identity is determined by one's brain wiring. What is stopping you from understanding how the analogy is perfect, and honestly, transracialism makes more sense than transgenderism is because the left is currently engaged with the black, Jewish and Hispanic communities. If the liberal train isn't halted, I guarantee in the next 20 years, if not sooner, transracialism would resurface as a "legitimate" ideology and people of the past would be called transphobic.
@@VicecrackVoldermort there is no inherent differences between the neurology of different races. there are inherent differences between the neurologies of different genders. race is not based in neurology or biology. gender is. that’s not an opinion that’s what every textbook on these topics say and no you can’t just claim racial identity is determined by brain wiring. you’d have to have proof to make that claim
@@babs_babs I concede the point with the race being based on neurology. That was an off-the-cuff comment. I have no proof for my claim. Just like there was no proof of gender differences many years ago. And in the current political climate, I don't expect any meaningful research into this topic. Just remember, gender differences weren't studied years ago either. And it's not just because of lack of technology. It's because this idea was bollocks then just like transracialism is bollocks now.
Since I have had the displeasure of seeing this video come across my recommended, please allow me to take a crack at explaining why these ideas are not analogous to your satisfaction. As far as I can track it, your argument seems to be: Definitions: Race: a mix of ethnicity and skin tone, but mostly skin tone 1. Race is ambiguous sex is generally not, outside various exceptions* 1.5. Implied but not explicitly stated gender and sex are inherently and inexorably linked to the point of being synonyms (please do correct me if I am wrong here) 2. Ergo being transsexual (and from your implicit assumption transgender) makes no sense due to the minimal ambiguity 3. Due to risk of causing offense the nonsense of any trans identity should be ignored I concede at the outset baring significant advances in human biology changing sex in its entirety** is impossible for humans My argument is as follows: Definitions: Race: As it applies to modern humans is a meaningless word, created by a bunch of people who were fond of measuring skulls. It only becomes real once a population of humans is no longer able to breed with another population of humans. Ethnicity: The cultural background of a person to include food, customs, traditions, religion, and any other cultural demarcation regardless of skin tone. 1. Being trans-ethnic is entirely possible, example: someone raised in the US marries a foreigner and adopts the ethnic customs of their spouse forsaking their birth ethnicity. 2. Sex and gender are not the same thing. Just like skin color and ethnicity are not the same thing. One is inherent, the other is performed. 3. Being transgender is comparable to left handedness as gender identity is innate, even if the performance of it varies from ethnicity to ethnicity. 4. It's only unacceptable to be "trans-racial" because the US ethnicity, among many other ethnicities deem skin tone to be race, and said ethnicities have brutalized various skin tones and ethnic backgrounds for fun and profit. Our contention seems to be in disagreement over the meaning of the word "race", and understanding of handedness vs performing gender. I will full stop deny race any credence as a real category until such time as modern humans manage to become a ring species, or a branch of human evolution becomes unable to breed with another branch, or the parent body (aka all humans alive today). Without a back and forth that must suffice and I will assume my definition of race and substitution with my definition of ethnicity is acceptable (though regrettably it does ruin your dick joke though the stereotype is dumb and likely founded in racism and fears of mixed marriages, ultimately skin tone is not a good predictor of penis size). In regards to gender identity being comparable to handedness, I can share various anecdotes from those I know, but in an attempt to keep things empirical, and avoid one offs such as Alan Turing's suicide likely being caused by forced feminization (taking estrogen as ordered by the court) resulting in dysphoria between gender and perceived sex, due to a conviction of being gay, I would instead point out this study: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8955456/ which makes it clear at least in the case of trans women (the study did not include trans men) even prior to hormonal intervention their brains appear to be disproportionately more inline with females than with males. The consistency with which self reporting prior to intervention shows that result strongly suggests that similar to being left handed, it's a quirk of brain development that people end up being trans gender. In conclusion, I reject your definition of race in its totality as it's not an impartial term as you use it, and it's presence muddies the waters of a real discussion due it's cultural implications. I Further offer a weight on the scale in favor of gender being closer to handedness than you give it credit for, and if this were not a youtube comment would search for replications of the study. Or other studies that do an analysis of multiple reports of lived experience in absence of more brain scans. However I think I provided sufficient evidence to at the minimum bring your implied connection of external sex and internal gender into question, in addition to substituting my own definitions for yours resulting in a requirement to re-evaluate what trans-racial means. As under my definition it's impossible unless someone were to try to become a horse or other entity incapable of breeding with humans, and the cultural component is perfectly valid unless you want to get into no true Scotsmen teritory. *michaelson.lab.uiowa.edu/sites/michaelson.lab.uiowa.edu/files/wysiwyg_uploads/beyondxxthumbnail_3.png **though the effects of HRT bring observable characteristics outside gonadal and chromosomal characteristics aline a trans person with what is expected of cis individuals: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8090355/
"aline (sic) a trans person with what is expected of cis individuals" :D :D :D Yeah, dressing up or having purely cosmetic surgery is "just like the real thing" :D :D :D The hubris with which you lot defend cosplaying really betrays your emotional immaturity. Refusing to accept the physical reality you were born into is the polar opposite of "being your authentic self". Bunch of narcissists who think they can bully the world into their demands of transcending material reality just because they want it to be so, and then the avalanche of projection, accusing others of being "anti-science", "bigoted" etc. which follows because you can't make others do what you want. The constant mention of males becoming weaker on HRT is one of the dumbest "arguments" you lot have, because it's a complete "so what" issue; weak males are still male. Maybe geriatric male pensioners should also be allowed in female spaces and sports too because of their weakness? Or should we have a strength-test to determine whether people are men or women next?
This comment posted above was also relevant to your bs: logenvestfold4143 "Speaking as an anthropologist, race does have a biological component to it. If humans were described how we describe other organisms, race absolutely could be broken down into subspecies. Though this concept is starting to fall out of favor across the biological field as subspecies is difficult to quantify. Though, race isn’t just skin deep. There are a mosaic of traits that are found within each racial group that exist because their population were at one point isolated from other populations. Humans, just as any other animal species are at the mercy of evolutionary change and speciation. There is about the same level of genetic diversity between human races as there are between chimpanzees and bonobos, yet the latter two are regarded as separate species. All three species are great apes more closely related to each other than to gorillas. For the sake of consistency, race should be recognized as biological diversity aka subspecies within a species, or chimpanzees and bonobos should be regarded as the same species. Regardless, transgender and transracial are allegorical to each other. I see no reason why one should be more socially acceptable than the other."
Ah yes, the classic "HRT gives me big boobs, therefore I am *more* of a woman now" no, HRT doesn't _somewhat_ change sex any more than aesthetic facial surgeries change race, it does not change sex at all, secondary characteristics are not sex.
Race was invented in the 1600's. Women (including trans women) have been around since written history (and probably before written history). Transgenderism is something that is based on behavioral factors whereas race isn't. You can't act black, but you can act like a black stereotype (and even that stereotype changes as black culture changes). When a black child is born and develops their personality they are no different than an Asian or white child. When a trans child is born and develops their personality, the difference in behavior is stark and oftentimes the parent will socialize them away from that behavior to varying results. Do white parents have to socialize their 11 month old out of acting "Black" and what behaviors would a white child be exhibiting that would be black behavior? I think the evidence shows that there is actually something biologically sound and brain related at the earliest states of human development about being transgender, and there is nothing biologically sound about being a transrace person.
Oh please... the term "gender identity" and other buzzwords used by trans activists are less than 70 years old, that's hardly anything in the scope of human civilization. Also no... there is no credible evidence of "trans women" in history. Historically in fact there are numerous cases in which people have claimed to be a different tribe, race or ethnicity than their own. You can "act black" in the same way a man can "act like a woman", both statements are equally loaded, presumptuous and bigoted. The difference between them is society treats men who claim to be women as a special protected group which it in no way does to a white person claiming to be black or Asian. Dylan Mulvaney is the definition of a walking minstrel show but just for women, and he is mostly lauded and praised by the mainstream press and academia, has a career cosplaying a woman and has made millions from it. We as a sex are being told to not only accept said behavior but celebrate it. I say all this as a black TERF!
I love the argument that, gender isn’t heritable? Like how do you think heritability is inherited? Through reproduction, and gender is informed by biological sex, which is the vehicle for passing down genes that we inherit
“there’s nothing about me, above the waist…” LMAO 💀 slipped that in there so casually
side note thanks for another great video :D
I had to pause and double-back to see if that was in fact the zinger I thought I heard. Bravo indeed.
Yes. Well played. Very well played indeed. 👍
16:30 it`s so annoying that they always include lesbians, gay men and bisexuals in their stupid arguments. Sexual orientation is not something you identify into like identifying into the opposite sex.
Something that you are born with as opposed to choosing to become something after the fact.
That's because for some bizzarre reason trans people are put together with them in the LGBT community
@@andretorres8452 how would you know?
Even if sexual orientation was something you could identify into, it would have zero implications for anyone you weren't in a relationship with. This is one problem with lumping them altogether, you can be gay without anyone needing to recognize it.
@@randomusername3873 they attached themselves parasitically to them like a cancer. Lgb stuff is over, but we’re getting dragged back in by the trans people who decided it apparently isn’t.
"Just don't think" could be the Trans Cult's slogan.
Yup!!💯💯💯
"don't think about it, just believe in it." Trans activists and Christians
A good question to ask these people is : If people had a dysphoria around their race, would this justify the claim that (a) they are the race they say they identify as, and (b) children with racial dysphoria should have their skin bleached or blacked?
Having gender dysphoria is already not a reason to claim that you are the "gender" (whatever that is) that you identify with. Why can't trans women be trans women and trans men be trans men? I think the problem lies with blurring the line between getting rid of physical traits that create discomfort and telling everyone you're the opposite sex and invade their space.
And even still that probably wouldn’t be as bad as the medical harm of stunting puberty.
They'll say that's not a thing, despite the countless examples of it in fact being a thing.
Unfortunately their argument for this is that dysphoria doesn’t exist for all trans people and believing a trans person has to have dysphoria makes you a “trans medicalist’. I agree with what you said, just wanted to point out how they will literally make up new concepts and words, change definitions, and move the needle at the drop of a hat to keep up the lie.
@@jessicab8613I got told off by a transient that I'm an evil transphobe that knows nothing because """gender euphoria""" is also a thing
Fact: this is the FIRST thing I can recall that made me start questioning gender ideology! More specifically, the Rachel Dolezal thing. I immediately noticed the parallels, and the extreme hypocrisy of it, as the whole story unfolded. Before those TRA defense mechanisms kicked in, of: "you are not supposed to ever think these very, very bad thoughts! You did NOT see this!" But.. funny how, when you start to see it, and you get that initial sense of "something is WRONG here", you can't really stop questioning it. Or at least I couldn't. Although it took me another 4 years to peak, (because I also fought it, HARD), but I think this was where it all started. "Oh, there's a weird glitch in the Matrix!" / "No, no, NO, there isn't! Lemme just ignore it!" / "Yes, there is.. F*ck."
..I've got the kind of brain that really likes to think in parallels and comparisons. So I think that might have been part of the reason why it worked so well on me. May not work on other people, with different kinds of brains, though. But also, you really never would have known that this one seed found fertile ground, and started growing, for at least the first few years, there! Because I was determined to pretend like it didn't! To myself, even. So.. perhaps there is more hope than we sometimes think. :)
I wonder if Terians may also work as a similar example, for other people..? There are young people right now who SINCERELY believe they are, in some kind of meaningful way, not human. That they should in fact have been a different species. (It is also all based on dumb stereotypes, an overactive imagination, and often mental illness, it seems.) Although they still recognize the fact that they're biologically human, though! Whereas current-day TRAs are now largely DENYING the reality of biological sex, altogether. So it's kind of funny, (and also, tragic), seeing the Terians basically mirror the earlier days of gender ideology, in a whole bunch of ways!! History repeats itself. :P
as a therian myself i’d just like to input:
i call myself a therian because i do experience involuntary animalistic behaviors and urges (if you want examples i’ll give them but i won’t get into that right now). i wouldn’t say i identify as an animal-i just experience things that aren’t completely normal and can be described as more “animal” than human.
however there are people who DO quite literally identify as animals on a non physical level which is a little iffy for me. i think a lot of people enjoy wearing labels too much so they make it their whole personality. i can see the similarities between gender ideology and therians/therianthropy. all of this is interesting to say the least.
Yeah eventually it will go there. People like to identify as what they like to identify as. The freedom to identify as what they feel comfortable with and act how they want to act is where this is going.
Why is ‘blackface’ offensive but ‘womanface’ not?
Maybe women need to stop wearing pants and if the Claremont Institute has any say, they won't have many professional licenses. Keep stirring the pot.
@@DorianPaige00here you are... arguing that clothes make a man or a woman 😂 you can be a feminine man and wear feminine clothes. You will still be a man. Clothes won't change your gender, dude . Man in drag is just that. Even if you cut your bits off and inject chemicals that mimic sex Hormones ... you won't change your gender. Drag queens do woman face. It is a sort of low end entertainment for adults. That's it, women face for entertainment.
Maybe because you don’t know the history of Blackface and it’s racist context. Gender =/= Racism
Exactly!!
Womanace isn't realy
Thank you. Listening to you is a bit like watching a hopelessly tangled ball of thread being untangled and stretched out
Thanks!
Another interesting parallel that debunks gender ideology is transage. Consider the following.
1. Age is a social construct. To "assign" an age based upon how many times the Earth as circled the sun is purely arbitrary. One could use any celestial event its place.
2. Age is a spectrum. Few people are exactly the age they claim.
3. Age is fluid. It changes over time.
4. Age has a psychological component. Some children have mental and emotional ages far beyond their years. Some adults have mental and emotional ages far beneath their years.
5. Age has a physiological component. Some people have genetic factors granting them a physiological age significantly greater (or lesser) than their chronological age.
All that said, no one would tolerate anyone proclaiming an age that contradicts their chronological age. In contrast, everyone would tell that person that objective reality takes priority over whatever age he or she wishes to identify as. The same standard should apply to "gender."
Best argument here to conpare contrast.
You'd be surprised how many people would tolerate that Transage logic.
If anything transage has more logic to it than transgender, if I say "I am 33 but I identify as 22 because I feel like a 22 year old" I actually have the context to know what it feels like to be 22 years old. But I can't know what it feels like to be a different gender.
It's also great at illustrating how easy it would be for abusers to use that logic to gain access to and justify abuse of vulnerable individuals.
In this case, pedophiles can argue their way around age difference and legality pretty easily by identifying as minors and having minors identify as adults. They could also gain access to children's spaces (like, say, a playground area for kids under 12).
You can point out then, that women are uniquely vulnerable to men due to physical differences and clear evidence of male crime statistics.
Anyone who argues about the age of consent would agree with all of this
I don’t understand why transracial is bs. I think it’s more valid than transgender. Race is MERELY identity backed by your ancestry but say I am 1% African and grew up in a Black neighborhood around Blacks. I identify as Black AND I have Black ancestry…who knows how those genes play out.
What I really don't understand is how you can change YOUR gender if it's a SOCIAL construct. Money is also a social construct, but I can't give the cashier a twenty in the store and say that I'm going to accept it as fifty. Same with race lmfo
Exactly. To say it's a social construct is to say as a society we have agreed that it assumes a specific value.
There are diferent kinds of social constructs obviously.
@@Jdudec367 right but if it's constructed socially that means people can all understand it with little to no explanation
The best way to approach this conversation is to make a race vs ethnicity distinction in order to better parallel the sex vs gender distinction
Oh, fun seeing you here too lol
@@xehaexox Hey!
The way I approach this when they try to argue that race is biological is to tell them they're conflating genetic ancestry with racial identity.
Literally all you have to do is put the word "identity" after any category (race identity, age identity height identity, etc.) and voilà.. you're no longer bound by material reality.
@@VTAcraft Lol yeah seriously!
There's no such thing as sex when it comes to transracialism though because race isn't biologically real
I align with your points, King Critical! It is absurd and blatantly insulting for my ex-husband, the father of my sons, to identify as me, their mother. When someone says why didn't women block this, I respond that we were not asked.
It's like a cancer growing inside you, and you didn't know until you received the test results. "Well why didn't you stop this sooner?" Well I didn't know and never gave the cancer permission to spread.
They never are, either. Watched a lifelong friend basically throw away their marriage because they are transitioning. I blame it on the trauma they experienced as a child(SA at only 8), but they also ARE going the medical route as far as I know, but I cannot confirm that. I barely speak to them anymore. I do have other "TransMedicalist" friends I do speak to frequently that also rank about the stupidly that's taken over.
the final step in most trans ideological arguments is “just dont think about it”
No, the step immediately after your rational argument is to call you a transphobic nazi and attempt to get you fired/deplatformed/removed
a lot of tras say racial dysphoria isn’t a thing and therefore it’s different from transgenderism, but i would argue that it definitely is. many, many young black girls wish they were white so they didn’t have to deal with racism. i remember a few years ago, there was this white boy that was adopted by chinese parents, and so obviously his english had that accent, and everyone made fun of him; i bet he wished he was ethnically chinese, so he could fit in with his family and have his poor english and accent be forgiven. i’m mixed race, but race is very complex here in south africa due to apartheid. my father is black and my mother is coloured, but i spent a lotttt more time around my father’s family than i did my mother’s, so i align much more with calling myself black, but most people in the country see me as coloured, esp due to my lighter skin tone (i’m literally more pale than you when my father is a whole ass black, dark-skinned zulu man, but i think that’s just because my depression makes me stay inside all day). to overseas countries, esp westerns, i’m seen as black. i guess you could say i have race dysphoria from being viewed as coloured when i consider myself black, so i guess if i darkened my skin and started “acting” more like zulu people, that would be fine.
I too am mixed race (black and white) and I also get what you could call racial dysphoria. I often wish I were more black so that I could fit in better amongst my darker skinned, curly haired family members. I don't have any contact with the white side of my family so that compounds the feeling I have of not being black enough.
Interestingly, I also used to have gender dysphoria and am a detransitioner.
I see a pattern emerging... Maybe this is just a self esteem issue and has absolutely nothing to do with being born in the wrong body.
That's the difference, what you describe is wishing to be a different race, because of EXTERNAL factors, to escape racism, to fit better with the environment etc. Gender dysphoria is not developed as a result of external treatment, but an intetnal sense of self
@@kiedystuwroce7871 This argument has absolutely zero weight because there are white people who wish they were black or otherwise non-white while living in white-majority countries, and there are mixed race people who wish they were more of their non-white side. You’d know that if you read my comment. There are also mixed race people who are not white at all, who wish to be more of one of the races they’re mixed with, for example a half black half Japanese person who wishes they were more one or the other.
Gender dysphoria can also arise from external factors, such as being gender nonconforming and being told that members of your sex don’t behave the way you do. That kind of treatment makes people internalise the message that they must become the opposite sex in order to be “allowed” to be themselves. That is literally what Egg Culture is, but it feels less abusive than it is because people are saying it “nicely” rather than saying it to shame you. Which is also why it’s so toxic.
That language, “allowed to be myself” is also literally what people with gender dysphoria often say about transitioning. They believe that transitioning is allowing them to behave the way they want to. This is obviously a mental disorder caused by a combination of internal and external factors. The fact that it’s about their “internal sense of self” does not in any way contradict that.
It’s very ironic that you can conceive of racial dysphoria being caused by racism, but you can’t conceive of the idea of gender dysphoria being caused by sexism. The latter idea is completely unthinkable to you, for some reason.
@@pickupmygroceriespeasant I've never heard of any documented case of a person actually feeling this deep psychological pain regarding their race without having any political agenda in it. There are a lot of conservative trans people, so politics don't always play a part in it. Dysphoria is not just "i want to be something" "i'd rather be", it's all about irrational pain that often leads to depression. Please show me one example of a "race dysphoric" person that's not some tiktok leftist. Gender dysphoria goes all the way back to ancient rome.
I agree that it's a mental disorder, and if identified correctly should be treated by transition. Conversion therapy proved that trying to change a person's gender identity is not resultful. And I agree, if the dysphoria comes from not fitting into gender roles, then it should be treated before anything regarding transgenderism, but trans people often hear that they are women or men no matter what, that they can be masculine or feminine no matter their gender and that it's okay, but they still crave the opposite body even if they are accepted, they want the sex characteristics of the other sex, it's irrational, yes, because it's a disorder.
@@kiedystuwroce7871 "Please show me one example of a race dysphoric person that's not some TikTok leftist."
First of all, leftists do not defend the concept of racial dysphoria. They outright deny it exists and will instead just say it is fetishisation and exotification. And they are mostly right! People who want to emulate other races are usually doing so because they're racist or have racial biases. People who claim to be leftist and want to change their race are known as RCTAs on TikTok. The desire to change race is obsessive, all-consuming and extreme for these people. But it does not stem from having heritage from the target race, they do not have any relatives who are the target race... It's usually white girls who want to become Asian (e.g. Japanese or Korean). There's no doubt about the fact that they are racist AF. They literally say things like "the Asian race is the superior race".
"Please show me one example of a race dysphoric person that's not some TikTok leftist."
Literally, me. You're talking to one right now. I've never had a TikTok account and I'm not a leftist (at least not socially, economically maybe. I'm more a centrist than anything). About 1 to 2 years ago my racial dysphoria was so extremely strong and distressing that I was having an identity crisis over it and becoming depressed. It eventually reached the point where I was seriously considering getting all the skin on my entire body tattooed a darker shade of brown. Then I realised that's stupid and not worth the pain, risk of infection and the risk that I wouldn't actually like the permanent, irreversible result. I've always hated the idea of getting tattoos for these reasons so why would I make an exception for what would essentially be glorified fake tan? I'm still considering getting a perm to make my hair more coily, but since perms are not dangerous like tattoos it's not something I've completely ruled out as a possibility to make myself more comfortable with my own appearance. At the moment I just wear a coily wig instead. I'm almost always wearing it around my family.
In my case, my "racial dysphoria" is strictly about my physical characteristics and has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to be allowed to emulate racial or ethnic stereotypes, which is the primary motivator for most RCTAs. They have a deep infatuation for the culture of the target ethnic group that they wish to emulate and want to be able to "pass" as a member of that group in order to gain free access to the culture. (Or rather, what they are really infatuated with is their own _fantasy idea_ of the culture, not what it's truly like. This is part of what makes it exotic/fetishistic). Unlike these weirdos, I have absolutely no interest in being allowed to "act black". The very concept is nonsense to me. If I suddenly looked 25% more sub-Saharan African, my personality and behaviour would not change. I would just become happier with my appearance because I would feel that I fit in more with my family. But the more than time passes and the more I heal, the more I understand that my thinking is faulty. There is nothing wrong with my appearance and I fit in with my family just fine, not just because I literally look like a light skin copy paste of my black grandfather but also because we are already a racially diverse bunch. I don't look out of place in the slightest.
I agree that people with gender dysphoria may struggle with a desire to have the physical characteristics of the opposite sex regardless of their interests, how masculine or feminine they dress, how they like to behave etc. But that can still result from trauma, internalised sexism, and other adverse experiences. If a girl gets sexually abused, she might develop a hatred of her own female body and want to be rid of it. She might feel that she has to become male in order to feel safe from rapists, who are mostly straight men. (You don't even have to ever be abused to feel this way, merely see it happening to someone else or just know that it's likely). The logic is valid, but the premises are wrong - it's informed by a traumatised mind, not by a healthy mind that observes the world accurately.
The same is true for some boys and men who wish to become women - they want female bodies because of psychological conditioning, not because it's some immutable trait. Perhaps they are gay and are only attracted to men who are typically straight so they feel they must become women to attract the type of man they want. The only way they can attract a straight man is by becoming a fascimile of a biological female which can only be achieved through medical transition regardless of how they like to dress or act. Others are autogynephiles and are sexually aroused by the idea of themselves having female bodies. Medical transition is not the right choice for every gender dysphoric person who has genuine sex characteristic dysphoria.
I think people who genuinely need to physically emulate the opposite sex because of immutable neurology do exist, but are extremely rare. The vast majority of people presenting to clinics with gender dysphoria are not any such people - they are psychologically disturbed or just confused. They are not neurologically different in a way that cannot be changed. If you know about neuroplasticity - which is quite literally how brains _work_ - then you know that thinking patterns and beliefs can be changed.
Conversion therapy doesn't not work because it's conversion therapy - conversion therapy doesn't work because it's cruel. All conversion therapy is really doing is traumatising people. It's creating new neural pathways but the wrong ones - the effect it has on neuroplasticity undermines the brain's ability to be plastic. We know trauma has this effect of reducing the ability to think flexibly.
We don't actually _know_ whether or not sexuality and "innate gender identity" (I dispute that there even is such a thing) can be changed because we haven't done the required research to rule that possibility out. Just because conversion therapy has been discredited as cruel and ineffective, doesn't mean that sexual orientation and/or gender identity can't be changed. On the contrary, it's likely that it _can,_ because trans people sometimes report a change in their sexual orientation when they take cross-sex hormones. And the concept of gender fluidity is literally based on the gender identity constantly changing. The assertion that these characteristics can't be changed should be challenged. It's an assertion that literally makes Queer Theory internally contradictory.
"Above the waist" Cheeky
😆😆😆 I thought the same thing!
My brother and I called in to ask the same question a few months ago. Their response boiled down to “there’s no empirical evidence of racial dysphoria, so it would be offensive to accept it until then”
Did you ask "why is affirming gender dysphoria valid"?
@@masscreationbroadcasts I don’t remember exactly, but I don’t think we did. We were trying to play it off really cool like “how do I answer people who say transracialism is equally valid?” and then just sat back and listened to their hypocrisy.
It was the show on 12.28.2023 if you’re interested, caller named “John”
That’s not true! There’s plenty of evidence of dark skinned girls bleaching skin, straightening hair, having surgeries to alter their racial facial features to more European/white aesthetic! It’s a very well known phenomenon that has affected most cultures!
In translation: transracial is not a thing because the democrats now have all the cultural and institutional power and they say so.
I'm of European descent, and as a small child I believed that I was Japanese. I never talked about it because I believed it to be inherent, in the same way that I had hands and feet. The belief was so strong that I sometimes wonder if reincarnation exists, and that I was Japanese in a past life. I worked with a mother who said her son believed he was Mexican (he was not). How can anyone say that there is no racial dysphoria? Fortunately no adult was affirming my Japanese-ness, so I outgrew it.
Excellent response. These scripted videos are so razor sharp. The trans race question is what lead to the ultimate demise of my belief in gender identity, and it took many years. I was absolutely stumped by it. I combed the internet for answers, because i knew it had to be different. But nobody actually could answer the question. I thought i had to be missing something, i had to just be dumb because i couldnt make sense of it in my mind.This video you responded to is pretty much standard for gender nuts trying to answer it. And they would give these responses with such conviction and imply that its so obvious how it was different, yet all they did was dance around the question. My professor once posed the question to our class, and while i was trying to answer it, it kept falling apart in my mind while i was talking. I got so frustrated with myself, and thought about it seriously every month for 5 or 6 years until i accepted that it was just as much bullshit as transgenderism.
As a woman I find it infuriating and offensive that men can just assume they can ‘wear’ woman face and be angry at my objection 🤬
Excuse me, transphobe. I think you mean, "people who menstruate face". Just because you birthing people can produce theybies from your front Vs and nurture them with your chest feeding you think you own the whole ladies book club? I can leak fluids out of my nipples too, all I need is an internal sense of self, a prescription, and the police to police my pronouns.
Women wear pants everyday and take men's jobs.
It’s not woman face
@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs Right I think she meant, "people who menstruate face".
@@zachb8012hilarious parody of what the transes talk like bro you got the whole squad laughing
There's nothing about me ABOVE THE WAIST that can be mistaken as black
😂😂😂 Good one lolll
fantastic! 😂
These people tend to believe in CRT. Just ask them if racial identity exists, and they might tend to agree. If so, then one CAN identify as another race
Thank you for helping me realise just how bananas the trans ideology truly is. I drank the kool aid for the longest time, a few terms/reasonings bothered me but I brushed them off because I thought I still believed in their core values. More and more started bothering me but I couldn’t articulate what exactly. You’re a gem.
Even if people are bringing up the "trans-racial" angle with dishonesty, so what? If trans ideology is a full-proof ideological concept then it should be able to stand and be simple enough to dismantle something that is seen as "dishonest" while retaining it's material truth. It's just funny how these people just do not see how nebulous and ridiculous the trans ideology is and it's why they try so hard to get people to not try to even question it because once you do, it starts to not make sense and the "trans racial" or even "trans-species" arguments really demonstrate this untenable belief.
18:06 LOL... (The Curb Your Enthusiasm theme playing in the background as we see various images of trans-identifying men taking on stereotypes of women from mild to super AGP style) They really walked into that one, if you shouldn't fall on stereotypes for trans-racialism, why is it different when it comes to sex class? Hmm....
A natal female can instill a male puberty with testosterone and massive changes would happen. It's always a transwoman argument because they don't change as much especially if they are large. Sure the chromosomes will be the same but the body will develop when the medicine is taken into the body and processed.
The Louisiana governor has no problem with castrating sex offenders and thus giving them low dose estrogen for bone maintenance saying that one can live a healthy life for years. My question to you is why are transgender people treated worse than that by denying them medicine? Why should the incentive be to offend as the only legal way to obtain gender affirming care? As a side-note adult bans are effectively in place in Florida and now South Carolina where a doctor can not be reimbursed with Medicaid or Medicaid dollars for any other procedure non-transgender related for any non-transgender patient. A doctor is totally excluded and thus will be bankrupt. In Florida, 80% of adult transgender patients lost their provider because the Draconian regulations make it unprofitable. There literally has been over 5,000 laws proposed over the last couple years regarding this group.
Unlike sex, transracialism is literally a spectrum that's (largely) socially constructed. And unlike sex it's not important to racially segregate things like sports, locker rooms, and prisons.
Therefore transracialism is both infinitely more valid and less societally damaging than transgenderism.
No it aint
@@zerotoanime3953 Narrator voice: It, in fact, is.
@@zerotoanime3953 What a compelling argument
4:52 above the waist 😂😂😂😂😂
Man it's always the smaller creators who have the best takes, awesome vid man!
also, trans racial isnt ONLY an argument against trans ideology. there are PLENTY of people who wish they were korean or japanese due to their fetishization of their desired culture. there are plenty of people who wish they were white to be treated better by society. there are plenty of people who wish they were black to be treated better by society. you can culturally observe this for the past hundreds of years. even in modern day you see white or asian or middle eastern people performing black culture and they could easily say “oh i LIVE as a black person” which would be absurd.
In the first case a nice comparison could be made to autogynephilia.
Transracialism actually makes a lot more sense. Race isn't even a thing in humans, and the thing we call "race" is just some variable of the skintone, which is certainly something that can change (go watch the white people at the beach in the summer).
Also can change due to genetics, like vitiligo. Which is why Michael Jackson went from black skin to white skin
Colour is on a spectrum and nationality is literally a made up construct based on some lines someone defined on a map.
@@starstorm1267 and albinism. Which in some cultures can be a death sentence.
Speaking as an anthropologist, race does have a biological component to it. If humans were described how we describe other organisms, race absolutely could be broken down into subspecies. Though this concept is starting to fall out of favor across the biological field as subspecies is difficult to quantify. Though, race isn’t just skin deep. There are a mosaic of traits that are found within each racial group that exist because their population were at one point isolated from other populations. Humans, just as any other animal species are at the mercy of evolutionary change and speciation. There is about the same level of genetic diversity between human races as there are between chimpanzees and bonobos, yet the latter two are regarded as separate species. All three species are great apes more closely related to each other than to gorillas. For the sake of consistency, race should be recognized as biological diversity aka subspecies within a species, or chimpanzees and bonobos should be regarded as the same species. Regardless, transgender and transracial are allegorical to each other. I see no reason why one should be more socially acceptable than the other. I’d even add trans-species to the table since these are all basically a social construct.
@logenvestfold4143 Good thing we don't let anthropologists decide things about biology then, because you have no idea what you're talking about. Altho, you also don't know what you're talking about concerning anthropology either, so I don't know what to tell you.
But you've clearly gone off the deep end into fantasy land.
LARPing is LARPing. I used to say transgender. I am done with it.
I always see this word capitalized. Is this an acronym?
@@Canthavemybones yup, live action role playing. You can be a dinosaur, a person of color or a member of another sex or gender according to transgender nonbinary ideology
@@Canthavemybones kids do it. Only children should do it. Adult human beings should be ashamed of themselves if they do it. There is no pride in being an adult who is LARPing.
@@Canthavemybones "live action role playing"
@@Gingerblaze 😂🤣 nice
So glad you challenged Arden on this. And you did it so well. I watched a few videos of Transatlantic expecting the same standards of argument to trans issues as is delivered generally on atheist topics this host covers. I wanted to understand since I was having concerns as to how so little of the trans activist arguments were based on anything measurable and I could see the terrible consequences such beliefs could lead to for others, especially women and children. I was immediately struck by the dishonesty, the dodges, the mocking and talking over callers, and how these hosts were using the same flawed argument style and fallacies that they rip apart when discussing atheism. So thanks again, KC. More of these well thought out challenges are needed to counter people like Arden who ride largely on popularity, counting on that being enough to be taken at their word.
There isn't an external quality that coresponds with gender? Oh man, i guess every human being up until about 5 minutes ago was just stupid and wrong. I am so glad i live in the age of information.
The transracial stuff is what made me start question the mainstream narrative on gender identity etc. No one can take the pro - gender identity arguments, apply them consistently to a "transracial" identity and not realize that by the same standards, transracial is at least as legitimate if not more than transgender (as a category of sorts, not as a reality obviously, I'm not arguing in favor of discrimination etc. that's something completely different that trans activists don't seem to get)
10:54 You gotta love the programming error this NPC is having when they need to both have "born this way" and "anyone can identify as LGBT" at the same time.
Above the waist killed me. So off the cuff 😂😂
Admitting to curly leg hairs is TMI.
Same. I laughed so hard at that!
Same!! His gf must love that part of him, lol
@@winxclubstellamusa Gf? Wife now, if I'm not mistaken. 🙂
@@PeakTrans and now we know why she said yes! Lol. In addition to him being handsome, sane, and smart.
Transracial actually makes some sense. I look like a white person, but i do have a small percentage african dna. Technically i am african. If i identified that way it wouldnt be incorrect, although it would look pretty silly considering i look thoroughly caucasian.
There are many white people in the United States who claim to be part Native American, even though they are not one bit. Would they count as transracial?
Thank you thank you thank you! Been dying to hear someone call bull on Ardens "logic".
From what I've seen, every TACIS short that gets posted gets a negative response from commenters (and that's even with many commenters getting censored). The longer videos get more positive responses. I'm guessing that's either cos supporters are more willing to watch their longer content or they censor their longer content more thoroughly. Either way, it's worth checking out the comments on TACIS shorts.
Also, their idea of a call going "well" is really strange. They edited one of my calls into a video (ruclips.net/video/NGaviBe38cI/видео.html) and it's the one where the hosts are constantly contradicting themselves and each other which makes them look like complete idiots. I guess they think me being confused by their contradictory nonsense means when they're beating me, LOL.
It's like they think they're playing Undertale and the goal is to mentally trick me into not fighting them, rather than actually convince me of anything.
That is interesting actually. I mean my understanding is that the show is hosted on an atheist channel so i guess a lot of people there aren't necessarily likely to be fans of trans ideology
@@KC_Streams True!
Will come back to watch this later, until then have an algorithm comment!
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This is all very rational and reasonable and aligns with what most people probably think but can’t articulate. The scary thing is that when I was growing up, this is how the mainstream thought. This would be the compassionate cultural position. But now, this rational thought sounds unusual and subversive and would not be aired in mainstream media for fear of it being too extreme. Let’s hope things normalise and it becomes socially acceptable to engage your brain again.
One of the best videos explaining all of this!
The algorithm has been kind enough to show me your channel. New sub!
Have you ever noticed that people talking about transexuals haven't had genital surgery. Really tired of them pushing thier clothing fetish and sexual orientation issues onto my transexual medical history.
Commenting fot the algorithm but also because you do gods work here and im thankful
I used to be a huge fan of the Line and all their hosts until they exposed their own fallacies and cognitive dissonance with trans
topics. They’re incredibly arrogant and equally dishonest.
Many channels and people like that unfortunately.... 😔
I stopped watching and unsubscribed to so many channels over this. I just can't take anything they say seriously after that. I mean, if you are blind to these glaring fallacies and inconsistencies, who know what else you are blind to. And if you do it for clout and grift, even worse.
@@saoirse2963 exactly. They’re not people I can take any serious intellectual guidance from and it made me rethink all their other talking points on various topics. I’d feel so much better if it was a grift but they are definitely true believers or just afraid of any form of dissent.
I also like the transage comparison and even asked it once to them. The transage argument has the advantage that age roles clearly exists. Adults are for example not expected to play with dolls. And people also already say ´I feel old´.
And the inheritance argument doesn´t work of course as you pointed out in the video.
If adults want to play with dolls... well what is your objection to that exactly? The other way around you can see where it mught be problematic bc kids dont have the wisdom of adults, but seriously if a 40 y o man wants to play with dolls or whatever whats your issue?
@@HalasterBlackCloak-u2w I don't have an objection. Just like I do not have an objection to men wearing dresses. The problem arises when they identify as children or women.
Notice how in the “argument” the fact that there is some indication of heritability in the “L”, only the “L” as far as I know, it’s just applied to the entire “LGBT” - is there ANY evidence suggesting that the there a heritable component to the “T”? None that I’ve heard of, and I’m sure that if there was, it would have a pillar of their arguments by now.
So once again the “T” attaches itself to the other categories, to which there’s no actual relation, they are not remotely the same, and we are just supposed to not notice that.
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It's funny that one of them refers to the fact it's inappropriate to take on stereotypes of race, when that's exactly what most trans people are doing in terms of gender; long hair, a dress and makeup doesn't make a woman, just like short hair doesn't make you a man...
The one ingredient that transracialism is still lacking is the veneer of science, but all it would take would be for some professor at a university with a PhD or other credentials after their name to study the phenomenon and publish a paper filled with graphs and charts in a scientific journal and to have it be accepted by the cathedral. Any social justice activist looking for a new pet cause could then point to the existence of the paper (even if they haven't read it) whenever it's pointed out that their talking points don't make sense. The sticking point at the moment is that researchers don't know in advance if the cathedral would accept their work, but there'd quickly be a flood of such papers if this were signaled.
This paper already exists. It's called "In Defense of Transracialism" by Rebecca Tuvel, published in Hypatia in 2017.
It was not very well received.
He said "above the waist" 🤣
4:45 - "above the waist" SMOOTH!!! LMAO
Above the waist!
Nope. Its exactly the same. Cosplay.
"Verse" is incorrect. The word is "versus."
Thanks... I don't know words
The primary argument for the difference is that gender is a biologically meaningful set of traits driven towards reproduction. Race doesn't carry any of this biological power. There's almost nothing more powerful than the biological drive to reproduce. That's why most people automatically see a difference. Race is much shallower and limited to appearance.
good points. Im ambiguous looking, so people always ask; what i r u? Id prob just say im aracial or racefluid and watch them throw a fit. 😅
It would have been interesting to see more of the video in question.
Great arguments KC❤
Race, biologically speaking, doesn't exist. We all are far and away much more the same than we are different.
Race, politically speaking, socially and culturally speaking, DO exist, yes.
But if we are to differentiate peoples based on their skin colour, if we measure by that yardstick, then we could use eye colour or hair colour as a means to differentiate ourselves with absolutely just as much validity!
If we can honor and take people at face value when they say they identify as the oppsite gender, we should honor what someone trans racial says if its the same concept and practice. Anyone who says "I identify as ______" we should just honor and agree. People cant have their cake and eat it too. Its fucked to yes to one group of people and no to another.
I hate transphobes and people who see other people as lesser because of some intrinsic quality about them, but this is a situation where I don't think I agree with the "good side".
I want to support these people but I do appreciate taking the time to make a logical, fact-driven argument to point out where transgenderism doesn't make sense. It's like yes, I support you, but I don't agree with you.
The thing with it too is if you fight against it at all you're instantly labeled a transphobe and a bigot, when really from at least this video it doesn't seem like you are, you're just pointing out actual holes in the argument that should be addressed.
The vast majority of people against trans ideology don't think lesser of "trans" people. That's something TRAs made up to demonise those that disagree with them.
Thanks!
Above the waist? Ayo?
Even when someone is asking a question dishonestly (thought experiments are not dishonest though) that only means that person wont change their mind. On a public conversation it is still useful to respond if that was the only problem because the less biased people in the audience can still be convinced
what’s so interesting is that people have identified into races all the time. race classification debates have been a long standing precedent, with the law even stepping in to try and guide this such as the one drop rule
This!
Right, actually.
The best defense against transfacialism is imho the biological component of race. Just as with your sex (and 99% of the time your gender as well), your race is determined by your genetic makeup. Not your culture, not your morals, not your way of seeing the world. Just your genetics.
The irony is that "race" has even historically been more of a "social construct" than gender.
In the sense that its not just skin color, but also commonly status. Two people can be the same ethnicity, but of the "white" race if they were being receptive to english culture, the other being "yellow" if they stuck with their asian culture.
Or I guess the same way that Kamala is black...
Essentially, being "trans race" has a lot more of an actual backing to it that could be logical than gender ever could, just based on history.
Granted the entire thing with race being based on status is often more of a dehumanization tactic, but just saying, that's actually been variable based on social status.
Roxanne Tickle (ridiculous childish name) wept outside an Australian court because he has always “felt like a woman”, because he likes wearing dresses, and putting on makeup.
As though all women do that.
What makes someone “feel like a woman”?
Ask a female or a male how they “feel” like the sex that they are.
Neither me, nor my husband , can come up with an answer.
Excellent video.
The way I rationalize transsexual people vs transracial people is that there is no psychological difference between the races that we know of. With men and women we know their brains are different and as a result lead them to act differently. So to me it makes sense someone could develop a birth defect that causes their brain to be structured more similarly to the opposite sex, which we perceive as the mental disorder "gender dysphoria"
Meanwhile with race, there's really no actual measure of this because we often boil down race to things like black, white, latino, asian, etc. The problem here is a white Russian person is not going to be born the same as a white person in the US. There's too many factors and variance to make any case for a specific pattern that one race is different brain composition wise. It's why I feel like the transracial or transage stuff is more just a paraphilia rather than a distressing mental disorder like gender dysphoria
I like Katy, Arden and Dr. Ben, but they are not good at responding to their own cognitive dissonance on this topic.
Love your content bro ❤
I’m literally a black lesbian
Stunning and brave
I have been saying for a while now where the atheist talk shows/podcasts have actually adopted a new form of religion. A lot of the same arguments that would have been shut down in The Atheist Experience is now being used to defend their position on the matters of factual claims. Which makes me sad, because one of the biggest criticisms Christians levied against people like me who are atheist's, that I am only rejecting their religion while believing in my own self made one (science was a common example). Which is was just a coping mechanism after hearing that someone didn't buy into the same belief system or one at all. Now it just seems like this Christians guessed correctly in some instances.
4:45 “There is nothing about me-above the waist-that would indicate that I would be black…” 🤣
The claim that sexism is far more wise spread abd historically routed than sexism is a ridiculous one.
Plus the whole „opression olympics route“ is a bad one to go down, because you never mention „trans men“ during that part of any „debate“ because it complicates your argument
I'm getting the sense that they only consider the perceptions of reality as the only true reality.
All their arguments essentially come down to "it is true because I have declared that it is true"
It seems like the argument is we are in a post-racial society (which isn't true), but we are not in a post-gender one. People actually believe there is something inherently different (spiritually) between man and woman, but they don't believe there is something different between different races.
Do you think you might call in on the transatlantic show on tuesdays and thursday woth Adren and Lux?
Tbf, the fact that gender critical people are distinguishing between sex and gender does kinda go to show that trans ideology raised at least one legitimate point.
That was feminism in the 70s my dude.
@d007ization
Agreed
Sex is a factual reality.
Gender is different..it is what some wish or imagine themselves to be.
Such people deserve respect, understanding and the appropriate treatment.
bro just offended a whole bunch of intersex individuals with either male or female presenting phenotypes. also when you account for what race differences in genes code for in comparison to what the xx or xy code for you find that xy and xx differences code for more deeper biological processes, a bug one being skeleton morphology and brain wiring and gray and whute matter distribution, additionally the monthly functionality of the hypothalamus and purtitary gland. race of the other hand is mostly presented in external phenotypes, like height, skin tone. So yeah to be purely objective is all genetics and if you can be a different gender you can be a different race. additionally anyone who chooses to argue against this ask your self have you ever argued the idea of the creation of whiteness as a tool of oppression of non whites, which is a social contruct you seem to accept. you do inherit your parents age, its scientifically known the later you have children the more likely they are you have some sort of disability or genetic defect. my last point their are many examples of children being discovered been raised by wild animals, to which im fairly sure those children very much did not see them selves as human, an example of transpecies. i quite frankly just think its because most people feel that being a different race your not is more touchy than gender. its a todem pole of percieved oppression where race sits below gender.
If space was not real nasa wouldn't get billions of dollars worth of funds.simple logic,my guy.😂😂
Yasuke was trans-nipponese /s
The conflation of race and ethnicity in US American discourse makes the original question very difficult to understand and deal with properly. The analogy should be: race/sex and ethnicity/gender. Although race and sex are based in physical reality (race to a much lesser extent of course, as genetic variation within homo sapiens does not come close to the standard used in biology. The animal dog has real races - the animal human does not.)
So, can you ”become black”, like Rachel Dolezal attempted/claimed to have? Racially, well no. Socially, that is ethnically - well of course! ”Changing” or transcending the ethnicity you were born and raised it is the story of countless people throughout all of human history. You will always have this history of transcending, though. I was A, and became B. That is not a bad thing in and out if itself.
It seems to me that some people have a neurotic fear of this change, ironically. That to me seems to be the real transfobia: hating the ’trans-’ and only acknowledge the ’-woman’ of transwomen
18:29 Yes!!!! This!!!
Here’s the sufferers and see if you spot it.
Race and racial identity is not an internalised thing. There are tons of people of different races who feel comfortable appreciating art forms that are usually not associated with their racial community. For example there are blank people who love rock music and country music there are white people who love hip hop and rap. It’s not seen as purely dosh to race of you like those Yong’s. It’s not an internal thing. Your gender identity is an internal thing that your gender identity doesn’t match your body. I know this difficult for people the anti trans side to understand. That a lot of trans people try to deny the feelings especially with the climate now Brcause who wants to be told they are making people uncomfortable or they are potential groomers.
Here's the problem with your argument. You assume natal women have this "internal feeling" about our sex or our identity as women which is what makes us women, the problem is... we don't.
I'm a woman because I'm an adult human female and that's about it.
Being a woman isn't a feeling, an expression or a performance... It's an immutable trait that is entirely biological and objective.
So no, I don't think trans identified males are actually women. Most people don't either.
@@nataliekhanyola5669most people are wrong then. It doesn’t matter it’s a reality. Again being of female sex is one thing, then we have womanhood where people’s expression of they looks different. Now for a small percentage the same way we get a smell percentage who have two eyes a different colour or the heart on the wrong place. Their body doesn’t match its not an argument and the fact you think it’s one of the issue it isn’t. This is t like of one believes in a fox or one’s political beliefs. All of which are subjective opinions this an experience that is stressful especially if you are forced which people thanks to the cass report looks likely to go through the wrong puberty. Now things things are demonstrably things that happen in peoples lives. I’m
Not trans I just was alive in the 90s when people said the same things about gay people
@@nataliekhanyola5669no one argues that sex isn’t a real thing wgat people argue is it’s not a set path for everyone
@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs Why are you so obsessed with lying about humans being able to change sex? Humans cannot change sex.
@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs Except it is!
Sex is an immutable, biological trait, it's not some "pathway" you can take or change... no matter how much trans activists wish it were. I can't change my sex, and neither can the men who claim to be women.
Likening sex to a pathway is like saying your species is a pathway,
"being human is a pathway that not all people take, some people can choose to identify as Goldfish or Horses."
To me that's how ridiculous trans activists sound.
I love that you take Katie Montgomerie on and he replies twice then runs a mile cos he's not nearly as intelligent as he thinks he is. 😂 Thanks for doing that!
Race doesn’t exist. We’re all one race. The human race. Nationalities exist, not race.
Unfortunately race as a social construct does still exist
"Nationalities exist" lmao imagine thinking imagimary lines drawn on a map are real
I know that I am probably the only person in this comment section that pushes back against the notion presented in this video either because this video is not recommended to people that have a differing opinion or because they do not watch videos like that because of personal preference. I will ignore the framing in this and other videos of yours and will jump to your arguments right away while still emphasising that a good faith debate looks different than what is presented here or in your comment sections. The problem with the comparison between Transgenderism and Transracialism does not have to be debated on an ontological level but it simply does not help us in determining the validity of either of those. It is totally valid arguing on this level simply because basically all examples of transracial individuals that we could see are (as mentioned in the video) examples of people that identify themselves as transracial due to gaining an advantage, either attention as for example Oli London who since is a devout christian or Dolezal who identified as transracial to get admitted to University. We do not have empirical evidence for "race dysphoria" except for people that experience racism and are therefore uncomfortable with their racial disposition which is entirely exogenous compared to the necessary endogenous gender dysphoria experienced by trans individuals hence the scarcity in examples of transracial individuals (the topic itself culminated around 5 years ago and is totally unimportant in contemporary discourse). Additionally we do not even have an idea on the mechanism of how someone would identify as transracial especially because there are no psychological differences in human "races" whereas we do have theories and brain scan evidence of systemic differences in trans brains compared to cis individual brains. Even without all of those observations it is nonsensical solving the question of trans identity through a transracial analogy because we do have evidence of the effectiveness of gender affirming care and we do have evidence of the ineffectiveness and impossibility of trying to make use of conversion therapy or other means of "making people not trans" without having to look at transgender identity through a philosophical lens, leading us to the conclusion that the way we help and look at transgenderism at the moment is broadly correct even when having differing opinions on individual claims or arguments. On a last note I think that discussions like these usually stem from the politicisation of topics like trans identity that make us sway away from evidence based treatments and current medical debates which is usually not helpful to anyone involved in trans affirming care or the public perception of trans people. If anyone actually reads this and wants to reply to my comment I want to say in advance that I am not interested in debating or answering people denying simply proven medical evidence around trans individuals and my claims surrounding these topics and would simply advise anyone that wanted to do that to read and investigate those topics as it is not worth my time backing up claims that can be answered by a search engine in less than five minutes.
@pinktod9253
Delusion:- The unshakeable belief that something is true despite hard evidence to the contrary.
Transracial.... Delusional
Transgender..Delusional
Any hard evidence out there to disprove either?
Race is a social construct.
It’s not no, your born with your race, gender can change
Ugghh
"Above the waist" Ugh. That was unfortunately ignorant in an otherwise thoughtful discussion.
Agreed 😒
It's a joke!!! Good lord.
It's a joke...
@@brockreynolds870 Racist "jokes" aren't funny unless they're meant to make fun of racism itself. This "joke" was simply an insensitive reference to a racial stereotype. And good fucking lord to you, too.
@@saoirse2963 I know he didn't mean to, but he slipped up and made a racist joke. It's not the end of the world and it doesn't mean he's a horrible person. We all make mistakes. He seems to be a man of integrity so I'd guess he'd prefer to avoid repeating it.
race is a social construct based on lineage. gender is a social construct based on neurology.
your race is going to be determined by the race of your parents. your gender is going to be determined by your brains wiring.
acting like the two can be conflated and you can just opt in and out of identities for either one is intentionally bad faith.
Before a pedophile created the term "gender identity", the term gender referred to a grammatical concept, not expression or brain wiring. Men and women are therefore technically not genders although in some languages they are gendered.
Men and women are sexes not expression or brain wiring.
Race is also based on neurology in the way sex is based on biology. Infact, he addressed this in the video by claiming that if we were to be honest, we could just construct a "racial identity" that has high correlation with race but can differ. Just like gender identity and sex. We could also claim that racial identity is determined by one's brain wiring. What is stopping you from understanding how the analogy is perfect, and honestly, transracialism makes more sense than transgenderism is because the left is currently engaged with the black, Jewish and Hispanic communities. If the liberal train isn't halted, I guarantee in the next 20 years, if not sooner, transracialism would resurface as a "legitimate" ideology and people of the past would be called transphobic.
@@VicecrackVoldermort there is no inherent differences between the neurology of different races. there are inherent differences between the neurologies of different genders.
race is not based in neurology or biology. gender is. that’s not an opinion that’s what every textbook on these topics say
and no you can’t just claim racial identity is determined by brain wiring. you’d have to have proof to make that claim
@@babs_babs I concede the point with the race being based on neurology. That was an off-the-cuff comment. I have no proof for my claim. Just like there was no proof of gender differences many years ago. And in the current political climate, I don't expect any meaningful research into this topic. Just remember, gender differences weren't studied years ago either. And it's not just because of lack of technology. It's because this idea was bollocks then just like transracialism is bollocks now.
@@VicecrackVoldermort you’re telling me that years ago, there was no proof that boys and girls had different minds?
Both are fine. And transspecies / otherkin. I'd even go so far as to say that thinking otherwise is just closed-minded prejudice.
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@@AlquimistEd What's the issue?
@@someonesomeone25 you
@@AlquimistEd I don't see how.
@@someonesomeone25 Otherkin is rational now?
Yet cool.Can we stop using the phrase?I destroyed? It is completely played out And has zero impact
Guess you're not really "hip" to tone.
Since I have had the displeasure of seeing this video come across my recommended, please allow me to take a crack at explaining why these ideas are not analogous to your satisfaction.
As far as I can track it, your argument seems to be:
Definitions:
Race: a mix of ethnicity and skin tone, but mostly skin tone
1. Race is ambiguous sex is generally not, outside various exceptions*
1.5. Implied but not explicitly stated gender and sex are inherently and inexorably linked to the point of being synonyms (please do correct me if I am wrong here)
2. Ergo being transsexual (and from your implicit assumption transgender) makes no sense due to the minimal ambiguity
3. Due to risk of causing offense the nonsense of any trans identity should be ignored
I concede at the outset baring significant advances in human biology changing sex in its entirety** is impossible for humans
My argument is as follows:
Definitions:
Race: As it applies to modern humans is a meaningless word, created by a bunch of people who were fond of measuring skulls. It only becomes real once a population of humans is no longer able to breed with another population of humans.
Ethnicity: The cultural background of a person to include food, customs, traditions, religion, and any other cultural demarcation regardless of skin tone.
1. Being trans-ethnic is entirely possible, example: someone raised in the US marries a foreigner and adopts the ethnic customs of their spouse forsaking their birth ethnicity.
2. Sex and gender are not the same thing. Just like skin color and ethnicity are not the same thing. One is inherent, the other is performed.
3. Being transgender is comparable to left handedness as gender identity is innate, even if the performance of it varies from ethnicity to ethnicity.
4. It's only unacceptable to be "trans-racial" because the US ethnicity, among many other ethnicities deem skin tone to be race, and said ethnicities have brutalized various skin tones and ethnic backgrounds for fun and profit.
Our contention seems to be in disagreement over the meaning of the word "race", and understanding of handedness vs performing gender. I will full stop deny race any credence as a real category until such time as modern humans manage to become a ring species, or a branch of human evolution becomes unable to breed with another branch, or the parent body (aka all humans alive today). Without a back and forth that must suffice and I will assume my definition of race and substitution with my definition of ethnicity is acceptable (though regrettably it does ruin your dick joke though the stereotype is dumb and likely founded in racism and fears of mixed marriages, ultimately skin tone is not a good predictor of penis size). In regards to gender identity being comparable to handedness, I can share various anecdotes from those I know, but in an attempt to keep things empirical, and avoid one offs such as Alan Turing's suicide likely being caused by forced feminization (taking estrogen as ordered by the court) resulting in dysphoria between gender and perceived sex, due to a conviction of being gay, I would instead point out this study: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8955456/ which makes it clear at least in the case of trans women (the study did not include trans men) even prior to hormonal intervention their brains appear to be disproportionately more inline with females than with males. The consistency with which self reporting prior to intervention shows that result strongly suggests that similar to being left handed, it's a quirk of brain development that people end up being trans gender.
In conclusion, I reject your definition of race in its totality as it's not an impartial term as you use it, and it's presence muddies the waters of a real discussion due it's cultural implications. I Further offer a weight on the scale in favor of gender being closer to handedness than you give it credit for, and if this were not a youtube comment would search for replications of the study. Or other studies that do an analysis of multiple reports of lived experience in absence of more brain scans. However I think I provided sufficient evidence to at the minimum bring your implied connection of external sex and internal gender into question, in addition to substituting my own definitions for yours resulting in a requirement to re-evaluate what trans-racial means. As under my definition it's impossible unless someone were to try to become a horse or other entity incapable of breeding with humans, and the cultural component is perfectly valid unless you want to get into no true Scotsmen teritory.
*michaelson.lab.uiowa.edu/sites/michaelson.lab.uiowa.edu/files/wysiwyg_uploads/beyondxxthumbnail_3.png
**though the effects of HRT bring observable characteristics outside gonadal and chromosomal characteristics aline a trans person with what is expected of cis individuals: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8090355/
"aline (sic) a trans person with what is expected of cis individuals" :D :D :D Yeah, dressing up or having purely cosmetic surgery is "just like the real thing" :D :D :D The hubris with which you lot defend cosplaying really betrays your emotional immaturity. Refusing to accept the physical reality you were born into is the polar opposite of "being your authentic self". Bunch of narcissists who think they can bully the world into their demands of transcending material reality just because they want it to be so, and then the avalanche of projection, accusing others of being "anti-science", "bigoted" etc. which follows because you can't make others do what you want.
The constant mention of males becoming weaker on HRT is one of the dumbest "arguments" you lot have, because it's a complete "so what" issue; weak males are still male. Maybe geriatric male pensioners should also be allowed in female spaces and sports too because of their weakness? Or should we have a strength-test to determine whether people are men or women next?
This comment posted above was also relevant to your bs:
logenvestfold4143
"Speaking as an anthropologist, race does have a biological component to it. If humans were described how we describe other organisms, race absolutely could be broken down into subspecies. Though this concept is starting to fall out of favor across the biological field as subspecies is difficult to quantify. Though, race isn’t just skin deep. There are a mosaic of traits that are found within each racial group that exist because their population were at one point isolated from other populations. Humans, just as any other animal species are at the mercy of evolutionary change and speciation. There is about the same level of genetic diversity between human races as there are between chimpanzees and bonobos, yet the latter two are regarded as separate species. All three species are great apes more closely related to each other than to gorillas. For the sake of consistency, race should be recognized as biological diversity aka subspecies within a species, or chimpanzees and bonobos should be regarded as the same species. Regardless, transgender and transracial are allegorical to each other. I see no reason why one should be more socially acceptable than the other."
Ah yes, the classic "HRT gives me big boobs, therefore I am *more* of a woman now"
no, HRT doesn't _somewhat_ change sex any more than aesthetic facial surgeries change race, it does not change sex at all, secondary characteristics are not sex.
You said it maybe 100 times better than I ever could
Race was invented in the 1600's.
Women (including trans women) have been around since written history (and probably before written history).
Transgenderism is something that is based on behavioral factors whereas race isn't.
You can't act black, but you can act like a black stereotype (and even that stereotype changes as black culture changes).
When a black child is born and develops their personality they are no different than an Asian or white child.
When a trans child is born and develops their personality, the difference in behavior is stark and oftentimes the parent will socialize them away from that behavior to varying results.
Do white parents have to socialize their 11 month old out of acting "Black" and what behaviors would a white child be exhibiting that would be black behavior?
I think the evidence shows that there is actually something biologically sound and brain related at the earliest states of human development about being transgender, and there is nothing biologically sound about being a transrace person.
Oh please... the term "gender identity" and other buzzwords used by trans activists are less than 70 years old, that's hardly anything in the scope of human civilization. Also no... there is no credible evidence of "trans women" in history.
Historically in fact there are numerous cases in which people have claimed to be a different tribe, race or ethnicity than their own.
You can "act black" in the same way a man can "act like a woman", both statements are equally loaded, presumptuous and bigoted. The difference between them is society treats men who claim to be women as a special protected group which it in no way does to a white person claiming to be black or Asian. Dylan Mulvaney is the definition of a walking minstrel show but just for women, and he is mostly lauded and praised by the mainstream press and academia, has a career cosplaying a woman and has made millions from it.
We as a sex are being told to not only accept said behavior but celebrate it.
I say all this as a black TERF!
"Race was invented in the 1600's"
Incredible.
@Phlostonparadise2971 Yep! Glad you learned something. Cheers! 🍻
@@K2daMFG Y'all really can't see you're at "Flat Earth" levels of retardry with this shit.
I love the argument that, gender isn’t heritable? Like how do you think heritability is inherited? Through reproduction, and gender is informed by biological sex, which is the vehicle for passing down genes that we inherit