I work with seniors. I had a Dutch client who had spent all of WW2 as forced labor in German factories. When the war was over and he went home, he got conscription papers to be sent to fight in Indonesia. He said he didn't survive a war to go and do the same thing to someone else. So he joinsd the merchant marines and fled to Canada.
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
I WILL NOT TOLERATE MISINFORMATION AS A NATIONALIST! WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
The sad reality is that, after decades of separate histories, West and East Papuans have become so different from each other that reunification as one nation is highly unlikely. West Papuans have primarily been advocating for independence from Indonesia, rather than for reunification with East Papua (Papua New Guinea). Going slightly off-topic, here’s my perspective on the Free Papua Movement (Organisasi Papua Merdeka, or OPM): I don’t think Papua would be better off with full autonomy or complete independence. For now, they are likely better off as part of Indonesia. Papua currently lacks the infrastructure and economic capacity to sustain its own people effectively. Despite having abundant natural resources, Papua doesn’t have the capital or technical expertise to exploit these resources efficiently, rendering them largely untapped for the foreseeable future. If the push for independence is driven by nationalism, I still believe it’s not the best approach. Independence might lead to greater challenges, such as economic instability, lack of governance, and vulnerability to external influence or exploitation by foreign powers. Moreover, Indonesia, as a larger and more developed nation, provides significant financial and logistical support to Papua, even though many argue it could do more to address development and inequality in the region. Until Papua has stronger infrastructure, governance, and financial independence, breaking away might do more harm than good. Lastly, this argument ignores the genuine grievances of Papuans today. Issues like systemic inequality, lack of representation, and exploitation of Papua’s natural resources by Indonesia are central to their calls for independence. Simply pointing to a tenuous historical link doesn’t address the present realities of marginalization and underdevelopment that Papuans face. If Indonesia truly wants to integrate Papua, it must earn the trust and consent of its people through equitable development, respect for their rights, and genuine dialogue-not by relying on dubious historical claims. And to those in the comments saying, “Oh, Papua is part of Indonesia and was once part of the Sultanate of Tidore long before the Dutch arrived,” here’s why I think that argument doesn’t really work. First, the Sultanate of Tidore didn’t really control Papua in the way people think. The Papuans weren’t ruled directly by the Sultanate or part of its system. It was more of a loose relationship where some groups paid tribute, but most Papuans probably had no idea the Sultanate even claimed them. Using this as a reason for Papua being part of Indonesia today doesn’t make much sense because things back then were very different from how countries work now. Second, Indonesia itself is a country that was shaped by colonial rule. The Dutch were the ones who brought all these islands together under one system. Papua, with its own unique cultures, languages, and people, was added to Indonesia after independence, not because of shared history but because of those colonial borders. If we’re using history as a reason, we could say Indonesia should still be ruled by the Dutch because they were the ones who unified it. Obviously, that’s a ridiculous argument, but it shows how weak the historical connection idea is. By that same logic, we could argue that England should still rule parts of France, like Normandy and Aquitaine, because they controlled those areas hundreds of years ago. Of course, nobody would take that seriously today. Just because something happened a long time ago doesn’t mean it’s relevant to the way things should work now. Lastly, this kind of thinking ignores the problems Papuans face today. They’re dealing with unfair treatment, lack of opportunities, and their resources being used by others without much benefit for them. Pointing to history doesn’t fix these problems or explain why Papua should stay part of Indonesia. If Indonesia really wants to keep Papua, it needs to do more to help its people, treat them fairly, and listen to what they want-not just rely on arguments about history that don’t really hold up.
Ofc its different the word Papua has its origin in Indonesia. Its a native word due to historical ties with North Moluccan Sultanates. Papo Ua Gam Sio: the not united nine villages, under Tidore. Mistaken by westerners to mean slave, curly, not having father, etc They have more ties than to the east named after a region in Africa by westerners. No one even in the separatist factions wanted unification with Papua New Guinea. What you say is true for some but not other region in Western New Guinea. For some it was direct rule and explicit recognition of local ruler with title, for other it was tax collector directly sent from Tidore not through intermediaries. Other was entrusted to collect tax from other regions like the Raja Ampat rulers.
Yeah true, and most of the papuan are get higher education in Java. my rough estimate if they want to keep up with modernisation they better start ramping up the numbers for education and health.
If Papuan Island are unified there's still like a total of 800+ Native languages which is more than the rest of Indonesian archipeligo combined, even at our current situation tribal conflict is still an every month news in Papua, Bouganville alone will saparate from PNG in a few years. This really shows how diverse Papua Island is. Also I am totally agree with you regarding Independence movement will lead to huge loss of Economy and Logistics. This happened in Indonesia after the Dutch got kicked out by Japan although Japan brutal occupation make it 100x worse, the resulting loss of governance and market made Indonesia the 3rd poorest in the world in the 60s. If this whole ww2 didn't happen i would argue Indonesia would be better off under the Dutch commonwealth.
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
THIS VIDEO IS BIASED, I AGREE LET ME HELP YOU FIGHT MISINFORMATION WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutiepapua ya papua...melanesia bukan austronesia... Papua jelas jauh beda dengan indonesia lainnya....dan seharusnya mereka dikasih referendum..biar mereka yg memutuskan sendiri apa yg mereka inginkan untuk daerah mereka...
USA said that nato wont backup, since usa had a natural resources interest. Since indonesia inline with usa interest, usa give the way. If it were not, Indonesia would have been definitely crushed just like what they did to Iraq, etc. And when President Soekarno put a little disagreement, USA set an operation there, thats when President Soeharto came in office, and give USA the gold. That, unfortunately, still happen as of today. Conflict management. Still so many resources in Papua.
You did not mention why the US endorsed the New York Agreement in 1962. And the US asked the Netherlands to hand over West Papua to Indonesia. In fact, the US obtained a gold and copper mining concession in the Grasberg Mountains in West Papua through the company Freeport McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc. And on April 7, 1967, PT Freeport Indonesia (PTFI) was established and began mining gold and copper in Tembagapura, West Papua until today. But in 2018, Indonesia struggled to buy 51.2% of PTFI shares. And in the future Indonesia will buy back PTFI shares up to 61%. So the conclusion: all of this is about gold and copper mining in West Papua.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 still very biased video, cherry picking everywhere 1. no detailed explanation about sultanate of ternate territory in papua 2. 1884 dutch new guinea ? that name first appeared is in 1949 3. no info about great east region of dutch east indies (1938 - 1945) 3. in linggardjati agreement, west papua along with bali, lesser sunda islands, celebes, and moluccas is belong to great east under the control of united state of indonesia, but the Dutch did as they pleased to create great east without west papua, and split other territory within united state of indonesia and yeah don't forget about the threat to indonesia government if the government didn't accept the dutch revision of linggardjati agreement 4. the creation of BFO to decrease the existence of republic of Indonesia / nationalist within United state of indonesia in Renville agreement 5. one of the point of Roem-Van Roijen Agreement "The Dutch to refrain from establishing any more federal states in the territory of the future United States of Indonesia" (7 May 1949). 6. in Round Table Conference, "the status of Western New Guinea would be determined through negotiations between the United States of Indonesia and the Netherlands within a year of the transfer of sovereignty." but the reality is, there is no cooperation from the dutch, instead they self-declare west papua in 1950. see the last 2 agreement is violated by the dutch 7. yeah sukarno nationalize the industry, but why not explaining the cause much more detail ? also don't forget, even the dutch violated the last agreement, indonesia still pay its debt according to the agreement before the termination of diplomatic relations with the dutch
FUNFACT :West Papuan people today speak Bahasa Indonesia very well, even in better way than people in Jakarta Bahasa also as the bridge 500 natives different language.. why they speak Bahasa Indonesia anyway? Because Dutch never willing to allowed theirs colonial area to learn and speaking their exclusive language.
isn't better off speaking a language related to your ancestors like malay aka indonesian instead of speaking an european language like latino-americans that speak portugues and spanish?, stop complaining about the language that you didn't learn, since it looks like if you were wishing to have learned an european langauge like latin americans
@@abdulrazaksulaiman2211which is part of Indonesian and its many dialect. A Baliem Valley tribesman can speak with Batak highlander in Toba Lake more easily than with PNG.
@@arthurmoran4951 Papua is one of the most linguistically diverse region in the world, hence using one language is making it easier to speak to other tribe. This is why a lot of Papuan adopt Indonesian language, even the secessionist like OPM themself. He's saying that if the Dutch is serious in teaching Papuan dutch, it will be the lingua franca of the west papua. But the Dutch didn't. Indonesia instead, serious in teaching Papuan Indonesian, hence it became west papua's lingua franca.
ironic isnt it how indonesia cries about their centuries of oppresion by the eropean colonial rules, but once they got their independence, they continue that same legacy of colonial rule, rebranded under different flag. til this day indonesian papua is still oppressed and fighting for their true independance and self determination. #freepapua
@@trafficaxaquinos AH, but they are dreaming all right. Thats one of the method for them to make big bucks. Thats why they are all so salty of putin as well.
You forgot to mention Frans Kaisiepo, a Papuan who advocating for integration into Indonesia, wrong year of independence but instead the year of recognition, Soviet aids that freaked out the Dutch, etc.
Indonesia making hospital and school even in remote mountains area, and got burned by the separatist and Indonesia still got blame never care of papua jeez. Even papuan alone got money from Jakarta more than any province in Indonesia even Bali
@@jamesboth3785The one building is Papuan regional government, elected by local Papuans as Indonesian citizens. And as per special autonomy they have to be local Papuans. The dutch appoint their controleur to govern the populace. Dutch East Indies citizens do not have the same status as Dutch citizens. Plenty of horror stories on Indo discrimination in Netherlands. They was to be expelled in Netherlands New Guinea colony, ala Apartheid in South Africa. To the protest of local Papuan leader like Nicolas Jouwe. It was not the same.
@@jamesboth3785 no, that is just occupation or annexation. Colonization also means settling your own people in to the region that you are occupying/annexing. Colonization Is an entire process not just occupying, but also making colonies where your own people can settle, form their own communities and expand the influence of thr nation.
People say the lands should give back to papuans, ah they already did? Every single governer and regional parliament MP are mandated by law to must be ethnic papuan native
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
AS A NATIONALIST WE ARE INDONESIAN! #PROTECTINDONESIA WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@Dhani817similar cases to Aceh's government tbh. They'd both given lots of autonomy but had done nothing other than enriching their local overlords. It's a systemic problem and the central government won't do anything to them anymore.
Actually the people of Papua themselves want to be part of Indonesia, in 1928 Papua sent their representatives to makes an oath together with other islands to formed a united country named Indonesia. in 1945, after Indonesia declaring their independence, in that same year Papua formed a group called "Komite Indonesia Merdeka (Committee of Freedom Indonesia)" to celebrate the freedom of Indonesia and helps to arrange the government in Papua. But the Dutch Government that still in Papua region can't accept it, and they decided to create "devide et impera" by creating a new organization in 1946 (that later become OPM) telling the Papuan people that they're different from the Indonesian people. This action has led to some minority Papuans became rebels till now.
@@JackRoopers no legitimate referendum = all these stories are of no importance. Somebody sending some people in 1928 and 1945 does not mean popular support from West Papuans.
Nahhh already did lol, these peoples never know how the situations both sides especially how the field situation was, anything for Indonesia's balkanization lol, I take most of these comments unserious, besides, they couldn't imagine how is it feels to have separatist that fought the past regime's brutality then the whole nation blamed for the oppression within the separatist areas 🤷
All of these Papua stuff are basically "If Western did it it's okay, if non-western did it it's not okay". No one ask why British own New Guinea Papua and why this country is poorer + messier than Indonesian side of Papua.
orang Papua memilih bersatu dengan Indonesia, aksi separatis hanya terjadi di tempat yang belum terjamah pembangunan..... Hahahah kenapa orang luar harus ikut campur dengan urusan negeri kami ? Kalian bisa memberi apa kepada kami kalo kami berpisah ? Tidak ada kan. kalian hanya mencoba membuat kami makin miskin (walau miskin kami tetap hidup damai) seperti apa yang terjadi di newguinea setelah kalian tinggalkan. sangat lucu orang serakah menceramahi urusan orang lain yang berjarak jutaan kilometer dari kalian Sangat lucu, tidak ada yang memiliki Papua, terus orang Papua yang mengakui mereka adalah bagian dari Indonesia kalian mau anggap apa ? Hewan yang di gembala? Mengerikan sekali pemikiran kalian.
It's surprising how little is said about PNG independence from Australia. PNG politicians simply did the paperwork and the Australian government granted independence to a massive resource rich territory. No fighting no bad feelings and the relationship stays strong to this day. It was such a great transfer of power that it was like nothing happened at all.
You’re very naive. Australian “advisors” micromanage every single policy the PNG govt makes. They have their teeths sunk into every part of our govt/military. Our politicians may have autonomy to make bad decisions as long as it benefits Australia. But when the locals decide to rise against it, situations like the Bougainvillean War happen.
@@ambo9569 Australia doesn't benefit from png tho, Australia loses billions of revenue because of PNG, Australia's is PNG biggest development partner and aid. Png benefits from Australia. Only thing Australian govt is concerned about is Chinese influence in PNG. No one should trust a non democratic country (china). If China can take over PNG they would, Australia just temporarily controlled png as a External territory. well more like babysit it because of German colonialism. It's PNG politicians not Australia's. Decisions, Australia never had interest in png. Png also doesn't need to listen to Australia. Its your own backyard you need to be worried about. Btw it's called diplomacy not micromanage. Every country does it, and if Australia actually wanted png, png would become a state then png can create a referendum to become a independent country, which they will win. Your comment irks me...
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
AS A NATIONALIST I WILL DEFEND FROM MISINFORMATION ANGAIST MY NATION! WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie so colonization is only wrong when white people do it? Got it. They aren't Indonesian. They are their own people. Look nothing alike. But it goes against the narrative white liberals tell the world so nobody cares.
Tidak pernah ada referendum untuk orang asli Amerika dan Australia, untuk menanyakan apakah mereka ingin merdeka atau bergabung, hingga saat ini. Mereka diusir dan dibunuh, tanah mereka diambil, dan masih banyak lagi kejahatan. Tapi untuk menutupi kejahatan mereka, maka mereka bahas negara lain, seperti Indonesia.
betul, tapi yg pro papua merdeka itu bukan negara barat, tapi warganya - bukan negara atau pemerintahnya. kalo secara negara seluruh dunia ngaku papua bagian indonesia.
@@leecantz1216 ya, jumlahnya memang sangat kecil, tapi mereka sangat vokal dan sudah seperti anggota aliran sesat. misalnya utk mencari perhatian mereka sebarkan info bahwa indonesia melakukan genosida dan membunuh 500 ribu rakyat papua (dulu 800 ribu, lalu 700 ribu, kadang 300 ribu). sayangnya yang ikut mengeruhkan suasana adalah sebagian pihak gereja yg bersimpati dg OPM, sehingga di negara2 oceania mereka dipercaya.
Indonesia sendiri juga sama lucunya.. Di PBB berkoar² mengecam Zionis Israel sementara dalam negri sendiri seperti Zionis lokal. Kalau teriak free palestine berarti harus free west papua jg seperti yg dikatakan Ibu Connie Bakrie.
Native Indonesian here. Although I very much am skeptical of the "official" narrative of why Papua must be integrated into the territory of Indonesia, and especially how it came to be integrated, nowadays, Papuans are our brothers and sisters. It sucks that it had to be this way, but it is what it is. Constitutionally, the Papuans enjoy the same rights as every Indonesians. We love our Papuan siblings, and I'm not saying that there aren't racists in Indonesia - I've certainly met a few who are racists against the Papuans, but most of us here are very accepting.
Very dubious they had any say on it. Indonesia is buying itself a big problem the moment nationalism becomes a thing in Papua. It's gonna be another East Timor.
@@red_chicken_not_redchicken1800 sukarno the first president litetally expanded the territory with bullets. If native & local want to be independent, who are you to say no? The first constitution of 1945 are meaningless. If the young & old papuan want to be separate, who are you to say no?
@@The.Dark.Side.Officiallearn your history again. Indonesia is the only one which majority’s language is not used as national language. Being Jawa doesnt give you any advantage over others. in colloquial term Jawa is often used as a derogatory word since it’s often associated with low skill labor people. it is a contrast if you compare with every other country especially US or Malaysia where your race define your social status
2:41 It's Soekarno who really wants Papua, because they belong under East Dutch Indies territory, but Hatta doesn't want Papua because they were too different culturally, although he himself prefer Malaysia-Indonesia country
Hatta then Agree after discussing again. Papua is Truly Indonesian. Read Uti Possidetis Juris. In Uti Possidetis Juris, a new Independence country must have territory As Same As their former colonizer's territory. Papua was part of Dutch East Indies territory so Papua Is Part Of Indonesia🇮🇩.
@@ChadreiOlaño since first delegation from papua have agree to join indonesia since 1928, but dutch couldnt agree w that so they implement divide and conquer tactic among papuan (yk, they promised independence) and that was unnaceptable
@@ahmadsulthanaqila4669yeah Nicolaas Jouwe have explained this, the elite and representatives of Papuan at the time wanted to join NIT Hence Kaisiepo proclaim Irian name in Malino, seeing this Dutch prevented any papuan representatives in Denpasar conference. They formed PIDRIS (Partai Irian Dalam Republik Indonesia Serikat) then, the Dutch ofc detain its leaders and members.
@fabianicoles Refendum Which was held in Papua in the 1960s It is unfair, and illegal. Indonesia has unilaterally chosen people to make a refendum at gunpoint and bribe several officials in Papua to join Indonesia. The 1960s New York Agreement was ignored by Indonesia, the refendum was supposed to use one person, one vote and it was ignored by Indonesia. Indonesia is tempted by the one-person, one-city, system. And forcing Papuans to vote for Indonesia 100%
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie Just because they are close in blood,doesn't give them the right to take over their land.By your logic,russia has the right to take over the balkans because they are all some variations of slavs.And about the Australia stealing resources?Trust me Indonesia is not doing things out of good will.They are controlling Papua because they have oil and so much timber and resources.They are doing the same thing the dutch did over there
It is so funny to think that these people who do not know what's the real situation in western papua keep claiming that western papuan are suffering, when the only country where native are more happier than western papuan when being rulled/part of countries that from different race are the new zealand. Yes. The people of maori are the only native that is happier than western papuan. Which means, if you are not someone from newzealand, you better not criticizing indonesian government. You better fights for the right of native that being suppressed in your country or native in other countries that indirectly colonized by your country. I specificaly mentioning australian, canadian, USA, british and french.
i agree LOL AS A NATIONALIST I AM TRIGGERED. THAT I HAVE TO COMMENT THEN GIVE THE THE TRUTH LIKE THIS WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie you being nationalist automatically disqualifies you from any conversation on the topic as you will twist facts to fit your nationalist narrative
I'm Indonesian, there were 3 places in Indonesia that always wanted to break apart. The first was Aceh. They wanted to create an Islamic state, which opposes the constitution of Indonesia. This was mediated (if I'm not mistaken) by some Western countries, hence Aceh became a special province (which actually still violates partly the "unitary state" principle, as they have different constitution). The second one is East Timor. This was, jowever, resolved by a referendum, where the absolute majority wanted independence. Hence, it has been resolved. The last one is Papua. This one has not been resolved yet to this day. The government has been trying to make them happy, for instance, by giving them greater autonomy (e.g. their governor shall always be a Papuan). The government had also built many new infrastructures there. I think the best way to resolve this is via referendum. Elections in Indonesia are always democratic and fair, hence I believe this is the correct way (just like Scotland). However, I don't think the Free Papua Movement would do any good. We learn about this in school in Indonesia. They kidnapped a pilot (from NZ), burned schools, destroyed infrastructures. I hope this movement can be peaceful. Aceh and East Timor used to be like this too, but we can resolve it peacefully.
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
WEST PAPUA IS RULED BY PAPUAN ETHNICITY AND DESCENDENTS BY LAW! IT IS SOVEREIGNLY PART OF INDONESIA AS A NATIONALIST I MUST DISAGREE! WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
read history bro. Before dutch Papua was part of the Sultanate of Tidore long before European colonizers arrived in the Indonesian archipelago. Do not measure the existence of a nation solely from the arrival of you, the European colonizers. ruclips.net/video/NeunKFw6aZI/видео.html&pp=ygUWc2VqYXJhaCBwYXB1YSBkciBjb25ueQ%3D%3D
@@EdukasiPerpus "read history bro." I just knew some bonehead was going to come out with that shit. There's always one. First of all, I'm not your goddam "bro" and second of all, what the f**k do you think I'm doing by watching these videos if not learning history??
Papua was part of the Sultanate of Tidore long before European colonizers arrived in the Indonesian archipelago. Do not measure the existence of a nation solely from the arrival of you, the European colonizers. ruclips.net/video/NeunKFw6aZI/видео.html&pp=ygUWc2VqYXJhaCBwYXB1YSBkciBjb25ueQ%3D%3D
We Papua New Guinea are independent many of us are poor but we are free from foreign and racial issues we are not killed as our brothers on the other side we have over 800 plus language but our unofficial language Tok pisin unite us one day we will be will be ok we live in a democratic country and we are free to choose for ourselves.
@@insectslayer1374Tidore historical border is the basis for the Netherland indies boundaries with Papua and New Guinea Territory. Example the Tobati people near the border with PNG in Jayapura acknowledged Tidore Sultan as their ruler, and whose descendant Ahmadi later bevame Hamadi clan still is the ondoafi.
the fight for WestPa will never die, Westpa Day is celebrated in Papua New Guinea capital in honour of our melansian people who struggle under oppresive rule. Humanity will never be free untill his Spirit is FREE...morning star, port moresby, papua new guinea
I am Indonesian. I will make a little joke. I hope Indonesian people are not mad at me. From the experience of more than 300 years of colonization, I think with Trikora operation, Indonesia showed the world the results of their learning about colonization.
You missed a little detail about the debate whether Papua should be part of Indonesia or not. Muhammad Hatta, the co-founding father and first vice president argued that Papua should be left alone since they genetically, culturally and historically very different compared to other part of Indonesia
Not really true because other people like Maluku island and some Eastern island has different culture too, and they're paid golden to dutch. And the government not forced Papua people to changing their culture so many war tribes still happened in Papua untill 10 years ago, now rarely to see that's. Government/police never charge them.
Actually the people of Papua themselves want to be part of Indonesia, in 1928 Papua sent their representatives to makes an oath together with other islands to formed a united country named Indonesia. in 1945, after Indonesia declaring their independence, in that same year Papua formed a group called "Komite Indonesia Merdeka (Committee of Freedom Indonesia)" to celebrate the freedom of Indonesia and helps to arrange the government in Papua. But the Dutch Government that still in Papua region can't accept it, and they decided to create "devide et impera" by creating a new organization in 1946 (that later become OPM) telling the Papuan people that they're different from the Indonesian people. This action has led to some minority Papuans became rebels till now.
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
Although papuan have one ancestor, in the past, Papua areas were heavily isolated. It was Impossible for west and east papua to communicate, and easier for West Papua to communicate to the rest of the island of Indonesia instead. All harbours city of Indonesia, all oriented towards center. Whether it is Bali, borneo, java, including West Papua. The common language is also proto Malay, just the same as the rest of Indoensian tribes. Also, Molluca kingdom have claim over some areas of Papua. That is why west papua become Indonesia. Not just because colonizer.
urgh another load of BS again...West Papuans a very close culturally and genetically to PNGeans not indonesians..... typical indonesian state sponsored propaganda.
Indonesia is made up of over 10k islands and hubdreds of cultures and languages, so why should the west Papuans only get a right to be seperate? You'd have to let every group vote to be seperate.
@@rusticcloud3325 if the javanese became weak and no longer able to hold INDONESIA as one.. Then i North Mollucan will declare a new GREATER MELANESIA MELAYU REPUBLIC from sabang till merauke
Interesting facts. Spending time in Indonesia has been epic! The culture is amazing, there is so much history everywhere and the people are fun! I can't stop taking pictures and making videos here.
Based on available data, on average, the people living in the Papua region controlled by Indonesia are more prosperous than those in Papua New Guinea. Papua New Guinea has a GDP per capita of approximately $3,518, while the Papua region in Indonesia, although specific data is not separated, is likely closer to Indonesia's national average of around $4,981, which is higher than Papua New Guinea's figure. The poverty rate in Papua New Guinea is significantly high at around 39.9%. In comparison, the poverty rates in the Indonesian-controlled Papua region are generally lower, such as 17% in the Province of Papua and 32% in Papua Pegunungan. These figures reflect notable differences in economic conditions between the two regions. Additionally, Papua New Guinea's Human Development Index (HDI) is 0.558, which is considered very low. While the HDI for Papua in Indonesia is not specifically separated, it shows an improving trend, with the government reporting significant progress in human development indicators for the region. Papua New Guinea faces significant challenges in literacy, with an estimated adult literacy rate of below 15%. In comparison, the literacy rate in Papua Indonesia, although still lower than the national average, is generally higher, with reports indicating that approximately 36.1% of students in the region possess sufficient literacy skills. This suggests that, despite ongoing educational challenges in both regions, Papua Indonesia has a higher literacy rate than Papua New Guinea. From an economic and human development perspective, the Papua region managed by Indonesia tends to be more prosperous on average compared to Papua New Guinea. However, it is important to note that there remains a significant disparity within the Papua region in Indonesia itself. Furthermore, prosperity is not solely measured by economic figures but also includes social, cultural, and political aspects. This analysis is derived from objective data and does not intend to favor any particular side.
@@Smighty946what? Do you think no West Papuan own land? Do you really think that the Indonesian enslave them or something? Dude, they are more prosperous than the Eastern side. Why don't you go visit there sometimes and see for yourself.
All your points can to be summarised by comparing Vanimo Town in PNG to Jayapura in Papua Indonesia. Almost a 2hr drive apart, but worlds apart in terms of infrastructure development.
@KingsleyMaiauka , PNG is free from colonialism. That's all that matters. It will be very hard for people in most countries to understand. Let me put it this way . We own the land with the rainforest that is worth millions of dollars, and the government has no say on what on our land. We are not poor. We just don't have cash.
8:42 Knowledgia never said it wrong. Because indeed it's not wrong. But some random people maybe think it's wrong, wrong according to who? I know According your mother you are the smartest man but Maybe you ever thought that UN general secretary is smarter than you? If your national respresentatif congressman decides for something does it mean invalid because not everyone vote? According to UN general secretary referendum in Papua by 1000 Tribal Chief is legitimate. Tribal Chief is elected by their people. Back then they weren't even one item but scattered tribes
The fact that you are so scared of people saying how wrong the Act of Free Choice was just shows morally bankrupt you are because you know it’s wrong. Out of a population of at least 750,000 in 1969, the Indonesian military handpicked 1,000 Papuans, isolated them from journalists and international observers, and threatened their families with violence and torture if they didn’t vote for integration with Indonesia. What a surprise they unanimously voted for integration, 1000 out of 750000. You call that democratic? You think it’s right because the UN secretary general approved it? He was always going to let Indonesia have it because he and US president Kennedy didn’t want Indonesia to side with the soviets, so they forced the Netherlands to give them Papua, pretend to give them an indenpendence referendum, and then just say no. It was rigged from the start, and the Indonesians played it smart to get Papua but it still dosent change the fact that the majority of Papuans want independence and Indonesia is forcibly colonising them for minerals from Grasberg and Papuans timber resources. If a majority of Papuans wanted to be part of Indonesia then the Papuan insurgency would have ended 50 years ago, but yet it has continued for over 50 years and has in fact become more intense in the last few years, and that can only happen if the general population still supports the rebels, publicly or secretly.
@@newtonchamboand then if Papua becomes independent nowadays, do you guarantee that they will all be way better? the westerners take as much of papua natural resources as possible for your own interests, you and your country will exploit the resources there, only your country will enjoy the results and the Papuan people themselves will be marginalized how ironically such a double standard, shameful, and uneducated westerner that didn't know anything lmfao
@newtonchambo how come you said it intensifying when rebel casualties have keep dwindling even lower compared to years1960s. I have been to Papua myself and speaking with local papuan they grateful to become the most prosperous Melanesian in the world. All other Melanesian country are way way poorer than local Indonesian papuan
@@newtonchamboI've been to the island. Spoke with a lot of people from the remote parts of the west. Yeah, they hated those rebels. Partly because they don't actually represent the tribes and, this is shocking to me, most of those rebel group comes from the east Papua. Losing tribes that lost their lands to other tribes. There some tiktok and youtube videos talking about it but goodluck finding them now. I guess mainstream media don't want to publish this side of story.
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutieIt's an imaginary line drawn by colonizers across ONE island and one people. Indonesia lies to the west. You're arguing over an imaginary line.
greetings from east timor to our brothers in west papua. i hope you all can follow our steps. we still remember what they did to us "santa cruz 1991" 🌹.
what's the correlation between wealth and Independence 😂. anyway i will tell you something interesting. east timor only had around 1,3 millions people ( roughly 1/10 jakarta population ) and we had natural oil+petrolum (bayu-undan field). thanks for the free oil oh forgot to mention we also included in "Pacific Australia Labour Mobility" so we can work freely in australia with better wages than yours. 😁
The Indonesian army conducted a fake referendum in 1969 calling it the "act of free choice Choosing 1000 West Papuans at Gun Point to vote for Indonesian rule. Americans, Australians, and Dutch citizens were present and witnessed it all. However there was little they could do as the USA and Indonesian government at that time had agreed to split the proceeds of the worlds largest gold and copper mine. Freeport Mine. America at that time was also trying to stop the spread of communism so it turned over a blind eye. The United Nations has blood on its hands too as after decolonization , the indigenous people of a land get to decide their fate via their own country. The West Papuans never got that chance, indonesians are not culturally or historically indigenous to west papua. Since then there has been a low level insurgency but indonesia uses exessive military force to displace and kill west papuans - many of them now refugees in PNG. Indonesia also actively blocks foreign media access to west papua, and their bots online try to get information blocked and removed. (This comment most likely will). Every day Papua New Guineans citizens and the rest of melanesian countries support west papua quest for independence. God willing they get it.
Giving West Poplar over to the Indonesian state I was only going to have one outcome and It was either naïve or negligent, that the government wouldn’t have ever granted West Papua a referendum
All of these Papua stuff are basically "If Western did it it's okay, if non-western did it it's not okay". No one ask why British own New Guinea Papua and why this country is poorer + messier than Indonesian side of Papua.
Does British still own western Papua New Guinea ? Didn't they get independent in 1975 ? They are in commonwealth but British monarch is just the figure head like Canada or New Zealand.
@@eleethtahgra7182 They get independent in 1975. They are in common wealth but like Canada or New Zealand, British monarch is just the figure head. They can elect their own PM and formed government. The role of the royal appointed governer is to oversee the smooth transaction of governance. He cannot make policy or choose the leader. Rich or poor is dependent on the local government.
Papuan or the people of Sahul also Indonesian ancestors before Aji Saka/Ajivaka from Bumi Majeti/Kali Serayu river in Jambudwipa (India) came... They are well-known as Dewata Cengkar and have a very strong physique... Later, Aji Saka from Jambudwipa and the people of Yunan (South China) mix with Dewata Cengkar/the people of Sahul and became the present day Indonesian... They are basically Indonesian... And already settled in Sahul land and Sundaland long before Sundaland sunk into the ocean and became Saptadwipa (Malay archipelago) according to wayang Purwa... Sri Kresna (Batara Wisnu) also depicted as black-skinned person in Sunda region (West Java) because he is related with the inhabitants of Sundaland before Mahapralaya era (the great flood)... Meanwhile, Sri Kresna in India is depicted as blue person... The percentage of Denisovan DNA is also quite large in Papuan population... We can see that there are large manusia purba fossils on Java island (Denisovan)... Without Papua, Indonesia not complete...
You could say that Papua (Sahul/Upasunda), Yunan-Champa, Irrawadi-Mekong river and Kali Serayu river/Bumi Majeti in Jambudwipa (Guava island/India) as the land of Indonesian ancestors... You can trace it from: 1. The folklore of Aji Saka/Ajivaka 2. Wayang golek Purwa (manusia purba, buta, etc) 3. Sanghyang Nilakanta/Girinata and the formation of Saptadwipa (7 islands/Greater Sunda Islands) with Mt. Semeru/Mahameru in East Java as the center of the archipelago... 4. The reason why Batara Wisnu/Vishnu/Sri Kresna in Indonesia (especially Sunda region in West Java) depicted as black skinned person (black symbolises holy strength)
The depiction of the Pacific Ring of Fire according to wayang golek Purwa from Sunda region (West Java) also says the same thing. Namely, Sanghyang Anantaboga/Antaboga/Anantasesa (naga) coils around Mount Semeru/Mahameru in East Java, circling the Greater Sunda Islands (Saptadwipa) with its face facing the land of Sahul (present day Papua and Australian great desert)...
Even though the above comment is a folklore legend passed down from mouth to mouth that has not been scientifically proven, it still has a special place in the hearts of many Indonesians, especially Sundanese people...
West Papua has received manyyy manyyyy prioritization and subsidy from Indonesian govt, in reality, other regions are jealous but they understand why.. Yet as the whole Indonesia govt struggling with corruption, so does West Papua. Corruption kills every potential advancement and is still the biggest hindrance of the whole archipelago to develop into a better nation.
because they are blocked from foreign media, internet, or a decent education and political representation. Keep them silent and feed them scraps while pillaging their natural resources..that what indonesia does to them.
West Papua’s independence is not just an emotional call for justice; it’s a practical solution to decades of marginalization, economic exploitation, and cultural suppression under Indonesian rule. Let’s break this down in clear terms. Culturally, West Papua is a Melanesian land in every sense. The people there speak over 250 indigenous languages, practice traditions rooted in their deep connection to the land, and predominantly follow Christianity. Compare this to Indonesia’s Austronesian identity and Muslim-majority population, and the cultural divide is obvious. It’s no surprise that West Papuans feel alienated within a system that doesn’t reflect their heritage or values. Independence would allow them to revive and protect their cultural identity without interference. Economically, let’s talk numbers. West Papua contributes billions of dollars annually to Indonesia’s GDP, mainly through its vast natural resources. The Grasberg mine, located in West Papua, is the largest gold mine and the second-largest copper mine in the world. Yet, despite this wealth, the province has one of the lowest GDPs per capita in Indonesia, at approximately $3,000 USD, compared to Indonesia's average of over $12,000 USD. The benefits of these resources flow outward to Jakarta and foreign corporations, leaving the locals impoverished. Independence would mean West Papuans could control their own wealth, reinvesting it into education, healthcare, and infrastructure. On the topic of development, West Papua has some of the poorest living standards in Indonesia. The region has a population density of just 11 people per square kilometre (compared to Indonesia's national average of 151), which should ideally allow for more effective resource distribution. Yet, over 27% of the population lives below the poverty line, and access to education and healthcare is woefully inadequate. Literacy rates hover around 65% in some rural areas, far below Indonesia’s national average of 96%. An independent West Papua could focus on grassroots development tailored to its people, prioritizing education, healthcare, and infrastructure in ways Jakarta has failed to do. Historically, the annexation of West Papua by Indonesia in 1969 was nothing short of a sham. The so-called "Act of Free Choice" involved only 1,026 handpicked individuals coerced into voting for integration under the watchful eyes of the Indonesian military. This violated the principle of self-determination enshrined in the United Nations Charter. Restoring independence would finally correct this historical injustice and respect the will of West Papuans, who have long fought for their right to self-rule. Lastly, let’s not ignore the human cost. For decades, West Papua has been a site of conflict, with over 100,000 estimated deaths resulting from military operations, protests, and human rights abuses. Granting independence would put an end to the violence and give the people of West Papua a chance to govern themselves peacefully. All in all, West Papua’s independence isn’t just about righting past wrongs-it’s about giving the region a fair chance to thrive. With its immense resource wealth, low population density, and resilient people, an independent West Papua has the potential to become a self-sustaining, prosperous nation. Let them have their shot.
Only because native people of Papua couldn't fight the terrorists they were taking advantage of and their land was stolen and now it's been dry drain of their resources and destroyed free Papua free Papua now .
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
AS A NATIONALIST OF INDONESIA I UST REMIND YOU WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
Fun fact Moh Hatta was not agree with Invasiob of West Papua, he says we should help West Papua gain their independence not invading them.. One of Hatta reason was, the difference between papuanese and rest of indonesian is too great, diff language, diff culture, diff skin color, even diff race Hatta was Indonesia 1st vice president
He didn't say anything about you Indonesians had to help us to gain our independence... He didn't want anything to do with us,He said "Regarding Papua,not my interest. The papuans deserve to determine their own fates on their own land". It is your first,dictactor,Romusha foreman, president Soekarno who was ambitious to rule Papua land so he Shouted Trikora... wanna know a truth ? We,the indigenous people of West Papua never wanted your presence on our land...
Please.... Tell us history of Australia... How many native turned off, now we recognize Australia controlled by white, Timor Leste separarated now... Who got the oil of Timor? Papua has a gold, for years Indonesia just got a very little of it.. Meanwhile white guy got the most of it. Indonesia now control take control that gold mine 51%-49% Now propaganda about Papua pop up😂 quess why???
Wrong, western side of Papua was part of Tidore sultanate until the dutch took over in 1830s. And there's no genocide so try again kiddo 😂 You can visit the region and enjoy the tourism there whenever you want.
I don't know how trusted this source is. but I could hear some hatred, jealousy, or some malicious intent from the narrator. The narrator obviously just follow the script made by some white guy. While we as Indonesian fought for our independence together as one entity. Maybe you could elaborate or compare this like hawaii is one of the founding states or whateverr you call it
The vast majority of West Papua's population has nothing in common with the rest of Indonesia ethnically or religiously, and is part of it solely for the same reason that Indonesia was once a Dutch possession: by brute force. And that is a simple fact.
Actually the people of Papua themselves want to be part of Indonesia, in 1928 Papua sent their representatives to makes an oath together with other islands to formed a united country named Indonesia. in 1945, after Indonesia declaring their independence, in that same year Papua formed a group called "Komite Indonesia Merdeka (Committee of Freedom Indonesia)" to celebrate the freedom of Indonesia and helps to arrange the government in Papua. But the Dutch Government that still in Papua region can't accept it, and they decided to create "devide et impera" by creating a new organization in 1946 (that later become OPM) telling the Papuan people that they're different from the Indonesian people. This action has led to some minority Papuans became rebels till now.
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
ME TOO BUT I MUST FIGHT MISSINFORMATION WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
Nobody is taking the Papuans seriously. Their lands and resources are viewed as something to be claimed to deny the rivals leverage over the other. Before West Papua was "integrated" into Indonesia and before the arrival of the Dutch the natives lived contentedly in their lands. Raising a middle class and stating that they would be better off under Indonesian or Western rule via Australia or America should eclipse the fact that the majority of the people may not want to be associated with either.
As an Indonesian, I can must say that I can understand native Papuan's desire for independence considering that Indonedian government had the country's resources pretty much centralized in the Java and gave minimum attention to Papua.
Explain why national fund is higher for papua region not North Molluca or even manado Those are my taxes meant to develop us as a nation together.. And im more than willing if papua got more of it Javanese could sxxx themselves, but independence is out of the table since 1945
That is the reason of the new province pf Central Papua was created, they dont like the resource of Grasberg is taken to Jayapura instead of in staying in Central Papua.
Is it? But that's literally everyone who's ever been colonized. England was colonized by rome. China was colonized by England. The America's were colonized by England. Europe is being colonized by the middle east/africa today. It's literally just human nature, it's strange to me that isn't obvious.
@@eleethtahgra7182 Agree. But the whole Nusantara are related but the European separated them as they wish. The same happened in Middle East and Africa too.
read history bro. Before dutch Papua was part of the Sultanate of Tidore long before European colonizers arrived in the Indonesian archipelago. Do not measure the existence of a nation solely from the arrival of you, the European colonizers. ruclips.net/video/NeunKFw6aZI/видео.html&pp=ygUWc2VqYXJhaCBwYXB1YSBkciBjb25ueQ%3D%3D
Sultanate and ruled are big words. More like trade posts at the western tip of the Island trading with the Papuans and only achieving power once backed by the Dutch. Stop exaggerating. From one colonizer to the next is all. 😂😂😂😂
Papuans has the same right as other indinonesian. Every governor and mayor in Papua are Papuans. There are racism here in indonesia, yes, but that also happened to chinese indonesian and other ethnic groups, that's the homework of the government.
The is called Irian Jaya it belonged to the Indonesians not the Papua New Guineans at all as they came later their forefathers yet they were kind enough to give them the Papua New Guineans the easter side many say all sorts of nonsense but that belonged to Indonesia 🇮🇩 they were there first there forefathers Papua New Guineans from Africa their forefathers the other side
@diorizky8922 West Papuans originally dont even speak Austronesian languages tho lol..... They can speak Bahasa sure, but that is an imposed lingua franca. Kinda like how Manila is trying to impose "Filipino" which is modified Tagalog upon non-Tagalog speakers in the Philippines
@@ontariofirs7347 You have to read the history of the independence of the Indonesian nation, our nation is not as small as the Philippines, there are many ethnic languages, even more than 17,000 islands and more than 500 regional languages. This is not about differences but about how to unite all groups to fight together against colonialism
I play rugby with Papuans in Bali, they all are happy to be part of Indonesia. It gives them more opportunity. There are heaps of West Papuans in the Indonesian military
The big question is: Why did the USA forces Netherlands to release Papua? The answer is gold mountain, Grasberg in Papua is the second largest, producing 55.9 million tons gold
yes but we must focus on protecting our people #PROTECTINDONESIA WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
Indonesia did not steal the territory but Indonesia only seized the right to sovereignty in the region, Some parts of the sovereign territory of the unitary state of the Republic of Indonesia over all Dutch colonial territories Why don't you just comment on Australia or America which is standing on land stolen by native people by Europeans? In fact, you have never heard the story about the United States invading the sovereign Hawaiian kingdom in the Pacific and ending the sovereign Hawaiian kingdom in the Pacific.
@@WardiSuhro I mean, basically they came in and did exactly what the dutch did which is do a land grab while barely talking to the native population. Wahhh wahhh America/Australia wahhh wahhh. Look man two wrongs don't make a right. That lands stolen too. But when it's not a western country taking stuff, stop pretending like you are special or immune to doing the same shit. It was pretty much taken and then those same native were given no voice. It's the same thing man, truth hurts get over it. Yeah I know about Hawaii too, same shit, stolen. The only difference is I acknowledge and accept where as you deny. I mean it's pretty much part of Indonesia now but let's not lie to feel better and say it wasn't stolen because it was.
@@WardiSuhro No they stole. They did exactly what the dutch did. They came in for a land grab and didn't talk to the native population or didn't give them a voice. That's exactly what the dutch did. AU/US stolen land including Hawaii, yeah that's stolen too. Two wrongs don't make a right. The only difference is I accept and acknowledge reality where as some places are livining in delusion land and make up history to fit their ideals/narrative to what sounds nice to them. Indonesia went on an island grab campaign after WW2. Don't believe me? Ask TImor Leste.
@@anonymityismynameyou know no shit about Timor leste. Why you never ask about west Timor (basically same people habitating the same Timor island)? Look at the face of East Timor president Xanana Gusmao. He's a f*ing European descent. He and his gang provoked timorese natives to think that Indonesia is colonial force instead of anti colonial one.
USA and SU cooperated and threatened thet Netherlands with a Soviet attack on the Dutch fleet in Hollandia. RFK was the American who threatened Luns with this attack. When KGB archives were open in 1990-1991 this was confirmed. A few years later enemies of RFK killed him. Shortly after that Luns became head of NATO for a long time.
I take a notes that this video had 2 big mistake First, Mr Hatta, the first vice president of Indonesia, never said that Papuans should became a distict nation and West Papua must became independent country. The fact is he said that the Papuans should ask to determine their choices, either remain as part of the Dutch, became independent nations or being part of Indonesia. Second, the intension of Indonesia goverment to "reclaim" West Papua in early 1960's is'nt based of oil discovery in West Papua. It mainly based that the Dutch is broke their promise to discuss and consult the question with Indonesia. More than 10 years since 1949 The Hague aggrement, the Dutch still keep this question "internally" althought international community pressure them to solving this question with the UN and Indonesian regime.
The stupid question is that the sovereign territory of the Indonesian state is that the Indonesian state has the right to defend the sovereignty of its state. You asked the Philippines whether the Mindanao region controlled by the Moros would be willing to secede and become an independent country?You ask, is India willing to let its sovereign territory in Kashmir be separated from India and become an independent country?You asked Türkiye if its sovereign territory inhabited by ethnic Kurds would be separated from Türkiye and become an independent country?You ask whether China is willing to make its regions of Tibet and Uighurs independent countries and Taiwan independent?You are asking whether Serbia will not recognize the sovereign independence of Kosovo?You asked Ukraine whether its sovereign territory in Crimea and Donetsk would be separated from Ukraine and become Russian territory?You ask whether France is willing to let its sovereign territory in the Pacific, New Colondonia, be separated from France and become an independent country?
If Papuan Island are unified there's still like a total of 800+ Native languages which is more than the rest of Indonesian archipeligo combined, even at our current situation tribal conflict is still an every month news in Papua, Bouganville alone will saparate from PNG in a few years. This really shows how diverse Papua Island is. Independence movement will lead to huge loss of Economy and Logistics. This happened in Indonesia after the Dutch got kicked out by Japan although Japan brutal occupation make it 100x worse, the resulting loss of governance and market made Indonesia the 3rd poorest in the world in the 60s. If this whole ww2 didn't happen i would argue Indonesia would be better off under the Dutch commonwealth.
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
lol in asia, it's normal to have billions of people per country. a population of not even a million is really small for asian country demographic standards
Papua new Guinea is 6.6 times the landmass of Ireland, and had a population of 8-10 million before the famine.... So yes , a very small population for that landmass
Even in the comments it’s a reflection of the paternalistic colonial attitudes towards Papua. What everyone else thinks or says is good for us versus what we actually want.
For regional geopolitic defense strategic, Indonesia learned a lot after losing Timor Leste (thanks to Australia and friends). So does Timor Leste. That's the reason why Indonesia is supporting Timor Leste joining ASEAN. Let's be honest here, looking on how Australia involved as 'security' in Papua New Guinea's election, just like looking a wolf guarding chicken den. If Indonesia out from West Papua, that region would be blood bath field, worse than Middle East or Haiti, not only Indonesia would affected by it, but the whole South East Asia region and countries. We know China, Australia, USA, UK, eyeing that region, and how eager NATO countries having war in this region.
i think its better to push to stick with Indonesia but on fairer treatment, representation and some autonomy. independence doesn't guarantee good future. If West Papua became independent likely foreign powers will interfere to get a share of their resources. i don't see any long term real benefit of independence, usually young nations are very fragile.
Europe doesn't own North America; It's America that owns Europe. As for Africa, you need to ask all the African dictators that sold out to Europe that question.
@@arthurmoran4951 oh yes, apparently Indonesian is "colonizing" Papuan, treating them as second class, enslaved, extract their resources and give nothing back to their people and land?
This is Indonesia's sovereign territory and Indonesia is not a colonial country. If this is the case, why don't you ask other countries?Like Thailand, why not let go of the rebellious Pattani region even though it is culturally and ethnically different, namely Malay?You ask why the Philippines doesn't relinquish its sovereign territory in Mindanao, which is dominated by Moro Muslims who rebelled to the Philippines?Why doesn't India relinquish its sovereign territory in rebellious Kashmir to become an independent state?You ask Türkiye, why doesn't it just relinquish its sovereign territory, which is predominantly Kurdish, to become an independent state?You ask China why it doesn't just let go of the Uighur-majority region of Xinjiang, and make Tibet an independent country and Taiwan an independent country.?You ask Ukraine if it is willing to annex its sovereign territories in Crimea and Donetsk to Russia?You asked whether Serbia would recognize Kosovo's independence? If you want to ask about areas that are still colonies, just ask France, is its sovereign territory in the Pacific, namely New Colondonia, willing to become an independent country?
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
THIS IS A LIE YOUR ACCOUNT IS 12 YEARS OLD AND YOU ONLY HAVE 2 COMMENTS, YOU BOT ACCOUNT! LET ME FIGHT YOUR MISSINFORMATION WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation! For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie why would Australia take over land? Indonesia occupied East Timor from 1975 even though they did not want to join Indonesia, in the 1990s they regained their freedom Even after Indonesia became independent, there were still groups that did not want to join Indonesia, and yet no one listened to them, there were conflicts that continued until the early 2000s. even in the 1960s, Indonesia had a war with Malaysia on Borneo, because Indonesia wanted the entire island, but that failed I have my respect for Indonesia, but no country should hide its dark side as if they have done nothing wrong towards their independence or their existence Expressing criticism is part of history, everyone learns the right way, or they learn different sides that can lead to conflict
The whole Papuan island has the right to gain their freedom. Let the Papuan alone with their island, let them manage their own independent country. No matter if it Dutch, UK, Aus or Indonesian, all of this entities are foreign colonialist. In fact, Indonesia should be only from Jawanese Island. Indonesian Sukarno even betrayed Aceh Sultanate in Sumatra.
Nope. Only Indonesia can bring the spirit of unity in the region. Indonesia is not foreign entity for papua. I had some papuan friends when I was in college in North sumatera, we speak same language, share common knowledges, if we're not same people, I don't know what it is.
The biggest irony is: The Soviet Union supplying Indonesia's colonialist expansion into Papua The US throwing a fellow NATO member under the bus for a country that won't align with them The Indonesians going against their own constitution that "Liberty Was The Right Of EVERY NATION" Indonesia also tried to do the same to Malaysia when they caught wind of Malaysia's independence.
The problem is that Malaysia's independence was given by the British, not the people's struggle and that is dangerous because the British still have interests in the region, if you don't know, just keep quiet
itu karena amerika sekutu belanda dan amerika jelas dong ga mau bantu Indonesia, makanya presiden sukarno pada saat itu meminta bantuan ke uni soviet. Kan sudah jelas di perjanjian meja bundar yg mengatakan semua daerah yg menjadi bekas jajahan belanda di nusantara adalah Indonesia, pada saat itu papua masih menjadi bagian belanda kan hal ini tidak sesuai dong dengan imperialisme yg masih terjadi. Untuk isu papua merdeka sudah jelas juga, pada saat itu diadakan jejak pendapat bersama masyarakat Papua dengan perwakilannya dan hasilnya mereka lebih memilih untuk menjadi bagian nkri dan hal ini juga sudah diakui pbb
do you know why aussie aborigines are not yet independent. You know why Native Americans are not yet independent. Do you know why Japan has not become independent until today? Thats irony
@@masc3137you got huge deposit of gold, but most of them mine by foreigners, You have vast palm oil farm, but half of them own by foreigners, You have big amount of petroleum, but your people can't get any benefit from it, But you still complain about your neighbour independence? It's call negation, even Indonesia have it. Remember how much you need to pay, after Dutch suck your nation so much?
A voice from a American West Papuan. In the quiet moments of reflection, I feel the weight of two worlds pressing upon my heart. As a Papuan American, my identity is a tapestry woven from the vibrant threads of West Papua's rich heritage and the diverse culture of my adopted homeland, America. Yet, amidst this blend, a profound sorrow lingers-the sorrow of a nation overlooked, forgotten, and perpetually caught in the shadows of greater powers. Once, West Papua stood as a beacon under Dutch stewardship, a land of beauty and resilience. But the tides of history are relentless, and Indonesia's grasp tightened, erasing pieces of our identity and autonomy. The spirit of colonization, once distant, now feels uncomfortably familiar as we find ourselves entangled in the modern echoes of a Cold War 2.0. Between the towering influence of America and the rising might of China, West Papua becomes an unintended pawn, its destiny teetering on the whims of global titans. How long, I wonder, will the divine gaze allow my people to endure this suffering? Our cries for recognition and justice often go unheard, buried beneath geopolitical agendas and economic interests. The land we cherish-its mountains, forests, and seas-bear silent witness to our struggle, yearning for liberation and respect. Yet, amidst the despair, a resilient hope persists. Justice must prevail, not just for West Papua, but for all who are marginalized and silenced. It is a call to action that transcends borders, demanding that the world acknowledge our plight and stand in solidarity with our fight for self-determination and peace. In the heart of America, where dreams are built and freedom is celebrated, I carry the spirit of West Papua-a reminder that true justice knows no boundaries. May our voices rise above the din of global politics, echoing the enduring hope that one day, our nation will no longer be snubbed or forgotten, but honored and free.
@ Improving your writing and using proper grammar can definitely help you capture more attention and effectively communicate your ideas. Clear and well-structured messages are often more persuasive and engaging, whether you're sharing your thoughts online or professionally. I understand that it can be especially challenging being Indonesian, considering the struggles with government corruption. Despite these obstacles, honing your communication skills can empower you to voice your opinions more strongly and connect with a wider audience. Keep striving to enhance your writing-your efforts can make a meaningful difference!
The reality is most Papuans today are happy to be a part of 🇮🇩. You won't see any unrest in the cities. Previous president Jokowi visited Papua dozens of times and significantly improved infrastructure there, building paved roads to connect isolated villages to the main cities. People forget that those separatists are 0.001% of the Papuan population, plus they control an incredibly miniscule portion of land, hiding deep in the forested mountains without any clear plan/progress. All the best for Papua no matter what happens. There have been some clear injustice in the past, but thankfully current politicians have opened their eyes and shined a light on it. ❤
I work with seniors. I had a Dutch client who had spent all of WW2 as forced labor in German factories. When the war was over and he went home, he got conscription papers to be sent to fight in Indonesia. He said he didn't survive a war to go and do the same thing to someone else. So he joinsd the merchant marines and fled to Canada.
It is ironic that the mainstream media is not talking about this. This is Islamic occupation and should be uprooted
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
I WILL NOT TOLERATE MISINFORMATION AS A NATIONALIST!
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutieBro, just chill
Good man.
The sad reality is that, after decades of separate histories, West and East Papuans have become so different from each other that reunification as one nation is highly unlikely.
West Papuans have primarily been advocating for independence from Indonesia, rather than for reunification with East Papua (Papua New Guinea).
Going slightly off-topic, here’s my perspective on the Free Papua Movement (Organisasi Papua Merdeka, or OPM):
I don’t think Papua would be better off with full autonomy or complete independence. For now, they are likely better off as part of Indonesia. Papua currently lacks the infrastructure and economic capacity to sustain its own people effectively. Despite having abundant natural resources, Papua doesn’t have the capital or technical expertise to exploit these resources efficiently, rendering them largely untapped for the foreseeable future.
If the push for independence is driven by nationalism, I still believe it’s not the best approach. Independence might lead to greater challenges, such as economic instability, lack of governance, and vulnerability to external influence or exploitation by foreign powers.
Moreover, Indonesia, as a larger and more developed nation, provides significant financial and logistical support to Papua, even though many argue it could do more to address development and inequality in the region. Until Papua has stronger infrastructure, governance, and financial independence, breaking away might do more harm than good.
Lastly, this argument ignores the genuine grievances of Papuans today. Issues like systemic inequality, lack of representation, and exploitation of Papua’s natural resources by Indonesia are central to their calls for independence. Simply pointing to a tenuous historical link doesn’t address the present realities of marginalization and underdevelopment that Papuans face.
If Indonesia truly wants to integrate Papua, it must earn the trust and consent of its people through equitable development, respect for their rights, and genuine dialogue-not by relying on dubious historical claims.
And to those in the comments saying, “Oh, Papua is part of Indonesia and was once part of the Sultanate of Tidore long before the Dutch arrived,” here’s why I think that argument doesn’t really work.
First, the Sultanate of Tidore didn’t really control Papua in the way people think. The Papuans weren’t ruled directly by the Sultanate or part of its system. It was more of a loose relationship where some groups paid tribute, but most Papuans probably had no idea the Sultanate even claimed them. Using this as a reason for Papua being part of Indonesia today doesn’t make much sense because things back then were very different from how countries work now.
Second, Indonesia itself is a country that was shaped by colonial rule. The Dutch were the ones who brought all these islands together under one system. Papua, with its own unique cultures, languages, and people, was added to Indonesia after independence, not because of shared history but because of those colonial borders. If we’re using history as a reason, we could say Indonesia should still be ruled by the Dutch because they were the ones who unified it. Obviously, that’s a ridiculous argument, but it shows how weak the historical connection idea is.
By that same logic, we could argue that England should still rule parts of France, like Normandy and Aquitaine, because they controlled those areas hundreds of years ago. Of course, nobody would take that seriously today. Just because something happened a long time ago doesn’t mean it’s relevant to the way things should work now.
Lastly, this kind of thinking ignores the problems Papuans face today. They’re dealing with unfair treatment, lack of opportunities, and their resources being used by others without much benefit for them. Pointing to history doesn’t fix these problems or explain why Papua should stay part of Indonesia.
If Indonesia really wants to keep Papua, it needs to do more to help its people, treat them fairly, and listen to what they want-not just rely on arguments about history that don’t really hold up.
Dont forget islamisation
Ofc its different the word Papua has its origin in Indonesia. Its a native word due to historical ties with North Moluccan Sultanates. Papo Ua Gam Sio: the not united nine villages, under Tidore. Mistaken by westerners to mean slave, curly, not having father, etc
They have more ties than to the east named after a region in Africa by westerners. No one even in the separatist factions wanted unification with Papua New Guinea.
What you say is true for some but not other region in Western New Guinea. For some it was direct rule and explicit recognition of local ruler with title, for other it was tax collector directly sent from Tidore not through intermediaries. Other was entrusted to collect tax from other regions like the Raja Ampat rulers.
Yeah true, and most of the papuan are get higher education in Java. my rough estimate if they want to keep up with modernisation they better start ramping up the numbers for education and health.
Reunification? They never unified to begin with
If Papuan Island are unified there's still like a total of 800+ Native languages which is more than the rest of Indonesian archipeligo combined, even at our current situation tribal conflict is still an every month news in Papua, Bouganville alone will saparate from PNG in a few years. This really shows how diverse Papua Island is.
Also I am totally agree with you regarding Independence movement will lead to huge loss of Economy and Logistics. This happened in Indonesia after the Dutch got kicked out by Japan although Japan brutal occupation make it 100x worse, the resulting loss of governance and market made Indonesia the 3rd poorest in the world in the 60s. If this whole ww2 didn't happen i would argue Indonesia would be better off under the Dutch commonwealth.
You didn't include what's in the agreement for Dutch to relinquish claim on Papua. I think the Dutch demand that Indonesia pay Dutch's national debt
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
THIS VIDEO IS BIASED, I AGREE LET ME HELP YOU FIGHT MISINFORMATION
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie Yeah I don't think Australia is going to be stealling any resources anymore bro. I must fight misinformation.
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutiepapua ya papua...melanesia bukan austronesia...
Papua jelas jauh beda dengan indonesia lainnya....dan seharusnya mereka dikasih referendum..biar mereka yg memutuskan sendiri apa yg mereka inginkan untuk daerah mereka...
@@Jim_Colbertgk ada manusia yg 100% austronesia, 100% melanesia, 100% india dll.. pasti ada campur2nya sama etnis2 di sekitarnya.
USA said that nato wont backup, since usa had a natural resources interest. Since indonesia inline with usa interest, usa give the way. If it were not, Indonesia would have been definitely crushed just like what they did to Iraq, etc. And when President Soekarno put a little disagreement, USA set an operation there, thats when President Soeharto came in office, and give USA the gold.
That, unfortunately, still happen as of today. Conflict management. Still so many resources in Papua.
You did not mention why the US endorsed the New York Agreement in 1962. And the US asked the Netherlands to hand over West Papua to Indonesia.
In fact, the US obtained a gold and copper mining concession in the Grasberg Mountains in West Papua through the company Freeport McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc. And on April 7, 1967, PT Freeport Indonesia (PTFI) was established and began mining gold and copper in Tembagapura, West Papua until today.
But in 2018, Indonesia struggled to buy 51.2% of PTFI shares. And in the future Indonesia will buy back PTFI shares up to 61%.
So the conclusion: all of this is about gold and copper mining in West Papua.
I spend 8 months at the mine doing network installation in 1994.
@Chris_at_Home Wow, in 1994, I was still a kid and in school. I just started an IT project for the local government in Timika during 2004-2010.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 still very biased video, cherry picking everywhere
1. no detailed explanation about sultanate of ternate territory in papua
2. 1884 dutch new guinea ? that name first appeared is in 1949
3. no info about great east region of dutch east indies (1938 - 1945)
3. in linggardjati agreement, west papua along with bali, lesser sunda islands, celebes, and moluccas is belong to great east under the control of united state of indonesia, but the Dutch did as they pleased to create great east without west papua, and split other territory within united state of indonesia and yeah don't forget about the threat to indonesia government if the government didn't accept the dutch revision of linggardjati agreement
4. the creation of BFO to decrease the existence of republic of Indonesia / nationalist within United state of indonesia in Renville agreement
5. one of the point of Roem-Van Roijen Agreement "The Dutch to refrain from establishing any more federal states in the territory of the future United States of Indonesia" (7 May 1949).
6. in Round Table Conference, "the status of Western New Guinea would be determined through negotiations between the United States of Indonesia and the Netherlands within a year of the transfer of sovereignty." but the reality is, there is no cooperation from the dutch, instead they self-declare west papua in 1950. see the last 2 agreement is violated by the dutch
7. yeah sukarno nationalize the industry, but why not explaining the cause much more detail ? also don't forget, even the dutch violated the last agreement, indonesia still pay its debt according to the agreement before the termination of diplomatic relations with the dutch
@@NAHUNAHU_187cry
@@NAHUNAHU_187vietnam in german, do you try reverse colonized europe 🤣🤣🤣
@@NAHUNAHU_187what are you gonna do about it? Cry?
@@NAHUNAHU_187 cry
@@NAHUNAHU_187 say that to israel
The voice sounds really off is he using ai again?
I think he has been for at least several months... You can always hear certain words that are just way off.
Boooo
Agreed, makes it unwatchable.
FUNFACT :West Papuan people today speak Bahasa Indonesia very well,
even in better way than people in Jakarta
Bahasa also as the bridge 500 natives different language..
why they speak Bahasa Indonesia anyway?
Because Dutch never willing to allowed theirs colonial area to learn and speaking their exclusive language.
isn't better off speaking a language related to your ancestors like malay aka indonesian instead of speaking an european language like latino-americans that speak portugues and spanish?, stop complaining about the language that you didn't learn, since it looks like if you were wishing to have learned an european langauge like latin americans
They speak Papuan Malay or 'Bahasa Melayu Papua'..do your research.. before Indonesia occupied West Papua they already use Malay as Lingua franca..
@@abdulrazaksulaiman2211which is part of Indonesian and its many dialect. A Baliem Valley tribesman can speak with Batak highlander in Toba Lake more easily than with PNG.
@@arthurmoran4951 Papua is one of the most linguistically diverse region in the world, hence using one language is making it easier to speak to other tribe. This is why a lot of Papuan adopt Indonesian language, even the secessionist like OPM themself.
He's saying that if the Dutch is serious in teaching Papuan dutch, it will be the lingua franca of the west papua. But the Dutch didn't. Indonesia instead, serious in teaching Papuan Indonesian, hence it became west papua's lingua franca.
@@arthurmoran4951 tbf a lot of the modern latin americans are of mixed european and native decent thus why Spanish and Portuguese are spoken
ironic isnt it how indonesia cries about their centuries of oppresion by the eropean colonial rules, but once they got their independence, they continue that same legacy of colonial rule, rebranded under different flag. til this day indonesian papua is still oppressed and fighting for their true independance and self determination. #freepapua
Majority Papuan enjoyed to be part of Indonesia, get your facts
Because indonesia do not apply rodi and romusha....
You didnt know anything about what happened in west papua
cry kid😭, papua is part of Republic of Indonesia forever, don't ever have a dream to seperate our nation, cuz it's never gonna happen🤫🤪🤪
@@trafficaxaquinos AH, but they are dreaming all right. Thats one of the method for them to make big bucks.
Thats why they are all so salty of putin as well.
You forgot to mention Frans Kaisiepo, a Papuan who advocating for integration into Indonesia, wrong year of independence but instead the year of recognition, Soviet aids that freaked out the Dutch, etc.
Why the island is called New Guinea?
Since both of the countries using Papua as its name, so the name of the Island should be Papua island.
@@definzgoody5448maps in Indonesia called it Papua island tho
@@definzgoody5448 maybe because British and American like the name better
Free Papua❤
From Indonesia
@@windows10-k8h Orang bego,
Indonesia making hospital and school even in remote mountains area, and got burned by the separatist and Indonesia still got blame never care of papua jeez. Even papuan alone got money from Jakarta more than any province in Indonesia even Bali
The Europeans did the same to every country they colonized, yet they weren't saint either😂
I don't think Bali needs money from jakarta since they have tourist money
@@jamesboth3785The one building is Papuan regional government, elected by local Papuans as Indonesian citizens. And as per special autonomy they have to be local Papuans.
The dutch appoint their controleur to govern the populace. Dutch East Indies citizens do not have the same status as Dutch citizens. Plenty of horror stories on Indo discrimination in Netherlands. They was to be expelled in Netherlands New Guinea colony, ala Apartheid in South Africa. To the protest of local Papuan leader like Nicolas Jouwe. It was not the same.
@abcddef2112 maybe a softer version, but occupying one's land in the name of another ( Indonesia) is still colonization.
@@jamesboth3785 no, that is just occupation or annexation.
Colonization also means settling your own people in to the region that you are occupying/annexing.
Colonization Is an entire process not just occupying, but also making colonies where your own people can settle, form their own communities and expand the influence of thr nation.
People say the lands should give back to papuans, ah they already did? Every single governer and regional parliament MP are mandated by law to must be ethnic papuan native
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
AS A NATIONALIST WE ARE INDONESIAN! #PROTECTINDONESIA
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie yes yes we know it.. Now stop spamming
but yet, they do more corruption than before than non-Papuan governer and parliament.
@@Dhani817similar cases to Aceh's government tbh. They'd both given lots of autonomy but had done nothing other than enriching their local overlords. It's a systemic problem and the central government won't do anything to them anymore.
When the “colonised” colonise…
Legit
“Controlling land = colonise” for these idiots🤦♂️ learn what the word means
@@tranium67 they are definitely colonising it 🤣 not that a yankee would have the brain to understand that
Actually the people of Papua themselves want to be part of Indonesia, in 1928 Papua sent their representatives to makes an oath together with other islands to formed a united country named Indonesia. in 1945, after Indonesia declaring their independence, in that same year Papua formed a group called "Komite Indonesia Merdeka (Committee of Freedom Indonesia)" to celebrate the freedom of Indonesia and helps to arrange the government in Papua.
But the Dutch Government that still in Papua region can't accept it, and they decided to create "devide et impera" by creating a new organization in 1946 (that later become OPM) telling the Papuan people that they're different from the Indonesian people. This action has led to some minority Papuans became rebels till now.
@@JackRoopers no legitimate referendum = all these stories are of no importance. Somebody sending some people in 1928 and 1945 does not mean popular support from West Papuans.
I'm sure the comment section isn't going to be filled with people advocating for the balkanization of Indonesia....
Nahhh already did lol, these peoples never know how the situations both sides especially how the field situation was, anything for Indonesia's balkanization lol, I take most of these comments unserious, besides, they couldn't imagine how is it feels to have separatist that fought the past regime's brutality then the whole nation blamed for the oppression within the separatist areas 🤷
All of these Papua stuff are basically "If Western did it it's okay, if non-western did it it's not okay". No one ask why British own New Guinea Papua and why this country is poorer + messier than Indonesian side of Papua.
Nobody own Pupua, either West or Indonesia. Simple. Papua decide their own fate.
@@Mardshima89It's okay if you have nukes
orang Papua memilih bersatu dengan Indonesia, aksi separatis hanya terjadi di tempat yang belum terjamah pembangunan..... Hahahah kenapa orang luar harus ikut campur dengan urusan negeri kami ?
Kalian bisa memberi apa kepada kami kalo kami berpisah ? Tidak ada kan. kalian hanya mencoba membuat kami makin miskin (walau miskin kami tetap hidup damai) seperti apa yang terjadi di newguinea setelah kalian tinggalkan.
sangat lucu orang serakah menceramahi urusan orang lain yang berjarak jutaan kilometer dari kalian
Sangat lucu, tidak ada yang memiliki Papua, terus orang Papua yang mengakui mereka adalah bagian dari Indonesia kalian mau anggap apa ? Hewan yang di gembala? Mengerikan sekali pemikiran kalian.
It's surprising how little is said about PNG independence from Australia. PNG politicians simply did the paperwork and the Australian government granted independence to a massive resource rich territory. No fighting no bad feelings and the relationship stays strong to this day. It was such a great transfer of power that it was like nothing happened at all.
You’re very naive. Australian “advisors” micromanage every single policy the PNG govt makes. They have their teeths sunk into every part of our govt/military. Our politicians may have autonomy to make bad decisions as long as it benefits Australia. But when the locals decide to rise against it, situations like the Bougainvillean War happen.
@@ambo9569 Australia doesn't benefit from png tho, Australia loses billions of revenue because of PNG, Australia's is PNG biggest development partner and aid. Png benefits from Australia. Only thing Australian govt is concerned about is Chinese influence in PNG. No one should trust a non democratic country (china). If China can take over PNG they would, Australia just temporarily controlled png as a External territory. well more like babysit it because of German colonialism.
It's PNG politicians not Australia's. Decisions, Australia never had interest in png. Png also doesn't need to listen to Australia.
Its your own backyard you need to be worried about. Btw it's called diplomacy not micromanage. Every country does it, and if Australia actually wanted png, png would become a state then png can create a referendum to become a independent country, which they will win.
Your comment irks me...
That's my bad, I'll give it back tomorrow mate
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
AS A NATIONALIST I WILL DEFEND FROM MISINFORMATION ANGAIST MY NATION!
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie so colonization is only wrong when white people do it? Got it. They aren't Indonesian. They are their own people. Look nothing alike.
But it goes against the narrative white liberals tell the world so nobody cares.
Negara negara barat ini lucu.. Lebih tepatnya ironi.. Bahkan mereka sampai saat ini masih mengkolonisasi beberapa negara di Pasifik.
Tidak pernah ada referendum untuk orang asli Amerika dan Australia, untuk menanyakan apakah mereka ingin merdeka atau bergabung, hingga saat ini. Mereka diusir dan dibunuh, tanah mereka diambil, dan masih banyak lagi kejahatan. Tapi untuk menutupi kejahatan mereka, maka mereka bahas negara lain, seperti Indonesia.
betul, tapi yg pro papua merdeka itu bukan negara barat, tapi warganya - bukan negara atau pemerintahnya. kalo secara negara seluruh dunia ngaku papua bagian indonesia.
@@Rumble2024injungleperlu di
Catat juga, yg mo merdeka cuma sebagian kecil, opm… Jangan mengabaikan yg mayoritas…
@@leecantz1216 ya, jumlahnya memang sangat kecil, tapi mereka sangat vokal dan sudah seperti anggota aliran sesat. misalnya utk mencari perhatian mereka sebarkan info bahwa indonesia melakukan genosida dan membunuh 500 ribu rakyat papua (dulu 800 ribu, lalu 700 ribu, kadang 300 ribu). sayangnya yang ikut mengeruhkan suasana adalah sebagian pihak gereja yg bersimpati dg OPM, sehingga di negara2 oceania mereka dipercaya.
Indonesia sendiri juga sama lucunya.. Di PBB berkoar² mengecam Zionis Israel sementara dalam negri sendiri seperti Zionis lokal. Kalau teriak free palestine berarti harus free west papua jg seperti yg dikatakan Ibu Connie Bakrie.
Native Indonesian here.
Although I very much am skeptical of the "official" narrative of why Papua must be integrated into the territory of Indonesia, and especially how it came to be integrated, nowadays, Papuans are our brothers and sisters.
It sucks that it had to be this way, but it is what it is. Constitutionally, the Papuans enjoy the same rights as every Indonesians. We love our Papuan siblings, and I'm not saying that there aren't racists in Indonesia - I've certainly met a few who are racists against the Papuans, but most of us here are very accepting.
Another problem is that the armed rebellion movements in West Papua seems to be (mostly) led by racist figures inspired by fascistic ideas... 😢
Very dubious they had any say on it. Indonesia is buying itself a big problem the moment nationalism becomes a thing in Papua. It's gonna be another East Timor.
Colonize?😂
@@red_chicken_not_redchicken1800 sukarno the first president litetally expanded the territory with bullets. If native & local want to be independent, who are you to say no? The first constitution of 1945 are meaningless.
If the young & old papuan want to be separate, who are you to say no?
@@The.Dark.Side.Officiallearn your history again. Indonesia is the only one which majority’s language is not used as national language. Being Jawa doesnt give you any advantage over others. in colloquial term Jawa is often used as a derogatory word since it’s often associated with low skill labor people. it is a contrast if you compare with every other country especially US or Malaysia where your race define your social status
2:41 It's Soekarno who really wants Papua, because they belong under East Dutch Indies territory, but Hatta doesn't want Papua because they were too different culturally, although he himself prefer Malaysia-Indonesia country
Malaysians refuse to be part of Indonesia, and Papuans accept being part of Indonesia.
Hatta then Agree after discussing again. Papua is Truly Indonesian. Read Uti Possidetis Juris. In Uti Possidetis Juris, a new Independence country must have territory As Same As their former colonizer's territory. Papua was part of Dutch East Indies territory so Papua Is Part Of Indonesia🇮🇩.
The point is : All places that colonized by dutch are part of Indonesia
@@ChadreiOlañoReferendum held by united nation and Papuans vote for Indonesia
@@ChadreiOlaño since first delegation from papua have agree to join indonesia since 1928, but dutch couldnt agree w that so they implement divide and conquer tactic among papuan (yk, they promised independence) and that was unnaceptable
@@ahmadsulthanaqila4669yeah Nicolaas Jouwe have explained this, the elite and representatives of Papuan at the time wanted to join NIT
Hence Kaisiepo proclaim Irian name in Malino, seeing this Dutch prevented any papuan representatives in Denpasar conference.
They formed PIDRIS (Partai Irian Dalam Republik Indonesia Serikat) then, the Dutch ofc detain its leaders and members.
@fabianicoles Refendum Which was held in Papua in the 1960s It is unfair, and illegal. Indonesia has unilaterally chosen people to make a refendum at gunpoint and bribe several officials in Papua to join Indonesia. The 1960s New York Agreement was ignored by Indonesia, the refendum was supposed to use one person, one vote and it was ignored by Indonesia. Indonesia is tempted by the one-person, one-city, system. And forcing Papuans to vote for Indonesia 100%
Suriname should be part of Indonesia
Like always,it all started with the british
Spanish!
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie no they're not. They want to be independent. They don't care about being related to y'all are not.
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie Just because they are close in blood,doesn't give them the right to take over their land.By your logic,russia has the right to take over the balkans because they are all some variations of slavs.And about the Australia stealing resources?Trust me Indonesia is not doing things out of good will.They are controlling Papua because they have oil and so much timber and resources.They are doing the same thing the dutch did over there
@@skullrevenant9573oh yeah really? Source: trust me bro
It is so funny to think that these people who do not know what's the real situation in western papua keep claiming that western papuan are suffering, when the only country where native are more happier than western papuan when being rulled/part of countries that from different race are the new zealand.
Yes. The people of maori are the only native that is happier than western papuan.
Which means, if you are not someone from newzealand, you better not criticizing indonesian government. You better fights for the right of native that being suppressed in your country or native in other countries that indirectly colonized by your country.
I specificaly mentioning australian, canadian, USA, british and french.
i agree LOL AS A NATIONALIST I AM TRIGGERED. THAT I HAVE TO COMMENT THEN GIVE THE THE TRUTH LIKE THIS
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie you being nationalist automatically disqualifies you from any conversation on the topic as you will twist facts to fit your nationalist narrative
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie Free West Papua.
@@bopndop2347 keep yapping
Orang Barat Ciptakan Perang Lalu Berusaha Jadi Pahlawan, Jangan Anggap Kita Bodoh Dan Takut Dengan Mereka Yang Mengganggu Ketentraman Bangsa Indonesia
@@ChadreiOlaño
No. Indonesia is more rich than Philippines..and dont claim Sabah. Sabah part of Malaysia
@@ChadreiOlaño bahasa filipina dan indonsi banyak kesaman
Warriors vs nukes
you want to fight nukes?
@@Pakun-q1vpeacful abdol and the most tolerant abdol be like 😂😂😂
0:28 Greenland is the second largest island. Australia is the largest. New Guinea is third.
I'm Indonesian, there were 3 places in Indonesia that always wanted to break apart.
The first was Aceh. They wanted to create an Islamic state, which opposes the constitution of Indonesia. This was mediated (if I'm not mistaken) by some Western countries, hence Aceh became a special province (which actually still violates partly the "unitary state" principle, as they have different constitution).
The second one is East Timor. This was, jowever, resolved by a referendum, where the absolute majority wanted independence. Hence, it has been resolved.
The last one is Papua. This one has not been resolved yet to this day. The government has been trying to make them happy, for instance, by giving them greater autonomy (e.g. their governor shall always be a Papuan). The government had also built many new infrastructures there. I think the best way to resolve this is via referendum. Elections in Indonesia are always democratic and fair, hence I believe this is the correct way (just like Scotland).
However, I don't think the Free Papua Movement would do any good. We learn about this in school in Indonesia. They kidnapped a pilot (from NZ), burned schools, destroyed infrastructures. I hope this movement can be peaceful. Aceh and East Timor used to be like this too, but we can resolve it peacefully.
Pretty clear that Papua should be one united island but the Europeans really like to mess up borders.
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
WEST PAPUA IS RULED BY PAPUAN ETHNICITY AND DESCENDENTS BY LAW! IT IS SOVEREIGNLY PART OF INDONESIA AS A NATIONALIST I MUST DISAGREE!
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie You are working overtime shilling for Indonesian government
@@bopndop2347i thought it is one of your asussi boogan counter argument auto bot
Free Papua!
Great video! Never knew any of this.
Why don't Aboriginal tribes have their own country in Australia? why don't maori people have their own country in new zealand?
read history bro. Before dutch Papua was part of the Sultanate of Tidore long before European colonizers arrived in the Indonesian archipelago. Do not measure the existence of a nation solely from the arrival of you, the European colonizers. ruclips.net/video/NeunKFw6aZI/видео.html&pp=ygUWc2VqYXJhaCBwYXB1YSBkciBjb25ueQ%3D%3D
@@EdukasiPerpus "read history bro." I just knew some bonehead was going to come out with that shit. There's always one.
First of all, I'm not your goddam "bro" and second of all, what the f**k do you think I'm doing by watching these videos if not learning history??
Papua was part of the Sultanate of Tidore long before European colonizers arrived in the Indonesian archipelago. Do not measure the existence of a nation solely from the arrival of you, the European colonizers. ruclips.net/video/NeunKFw6aZI/видео.html&pp=ygUWc2VqYXJhaCBwYXB1YSBkciBjb25ueQ%3D%3D
Tidore clearly only controlled the western coastal areas of papua and not all of it
technically the europeans controlled all of it
We Papua New Guinea are independent many of us are poor but we are free from foreign and racial issues we are not killed as our brothers on the other side we have over 800 plus language but our unofficial language Tok pisin unite us one day we will be will be ok we live in a democratic country and we are free to choose for ourselves.
@@insectslayer1374 so europeans n europeans 🤣
@@insectslayer1374Tidore historical border is the basis for the Netherland indies boundaries with Papua and New Guinea Territory.
Example the Tobati people near the border with PNG in Jayapura acknowledged Tidore Sultan as their ruler, and whose descendant Ahmadi later bevame Hamadi clan still is the ondoafi.
@@rodneyyoku6276Did u know all provinces of Indonesia including in Western New Guinea have just held election?
the fight for WestPa will never die, Westpa Day is celebrated in Papua New Guinea capital in honour of our melansian people who struggle under oppresive rule. Humanity will never be free untill his Spirit is FREE...morning star, port moresby, papua new guinea
I am Indonesian. I will make a little joke. I hope Indonesian people are not mad at me. From the experience of more than 300 years of colonization, I think with Trikora operation, Indonesia showed the world the results of their learning about colonization.
6:08 India 🇮🇳 supported Indonesia 🇮🇩 in its claim and now Indonesians hate India for no reason
You missed a little detail about the debate whether Papua should be part of Indonesia or not. Muhammad Hatta, the co-founding father and first vice president argued that Papua should be left alone since they genetically, culturally and historically very different compared to other part of Indonesia
Not really true because other people like Maluku island and some Eastern island has different culture too, and they're paid golden to dutch. And the government not forced Papua people to changing their culture so many war tribes still happened in Papua untill 10 years ago, now rarely to see that's. Government/police never charge them.
it was never about the Papuans it wass like in all wars about oil and everything else that could be mined
Actually the people of Papua themselves want to be part of Indonesia, in 1928 Papua sent their representatives to makes an oath together with other islands to formed a united country named Indonesia. in 1945, after Indonesia declaring their independence, in that same year Papua formed a group called "Komite Indonesia Merdeka (Committee of Freedom Indonesia)" to celebrate the freedom of Indonesia and helps to arrange the government in Papua.
But the Dutch Government that still in Papua region can't accept it, and they decided to create "devide et impera" by creating a new organization in 1946 (that later become OPM) telling the Papuan people that they're different from the Indonesian people. This action has led to some minority Papuans became rebels till now.
@@adryanmuktiwicaksono6125 still, the "referendum" was a scam. Indonesia became a colonizer
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
Although papuan have one ancestor, in the past, Papua areas were heavily isolated. It was Impossible for west and east papua to communicate, and easier for West Papua to communicate to the rest of the island of Indonesia instead. All harbours city of Indonesia, all oriented towards center. Whether it is Bali, borneo, java, including West Papua. The common language is also proto Malay, just the same as the rest of Indoensian tribes. Also, Molluca kingdom have claim over some areas of Papua. That is why west papua become Indonesia. Not just because colonizer.
@@erriwibowo hahahahah proto Malay good joke there!
@@eldariontelkontarYour pacific people will be drowning in the Pacific Ocean and you want the rich land of Papua for you to live in
Eh 😂
urgh another load of BS again...West Papuans a very close culturally and genetically to PNGeans not indonesians..... typical indonesian state sponsored propaganda.
Indonesia is made up of over 10k islands and hubdreds of cultures and languages, so why should the west Papuans only get a right to be seperate? You'd have to let every group vote to be seperate.
... and that would be Balkanization of Indonesia.
@@rusticcloud3325 Devide Et Impera.
Nah. AInt gonna happen. Too bad, so sad, whoopsie.
@@rusticcloud3325 if the javanese became weak and no longer able to hold INDONESIA as one..
Then i North Mollucan will declare a new GREATER MELANESIA MELAYU REPUBLIC from sabang till merauke
@@NextFuckingLevel ah yes another ethnocentric establishment that has always been an issue
Interesting facts. Spending time in Indonesia has been epic! The culture is amazing, there is so much history everywhere and the people are fun! I can't stop taking pictures and making videos here.
Based on available data, on average, the people living in the Papua region controlled by Indonesia are more prosperous than those in Papua New Guinea. Papua New Guinea has a GDP per capita of approximately $3,518, while the Papua region in Indonesia, although specific data is not separated, is likely closer to Indonesia's national average of around $4,981, which is higher than Papua New Guinea's figure.
The poverty rate in Papua New Guinea is significantly high at around 39.9%. In comparison, the poverty rates in the Indonesian-controlled Papua region are generally lower, such as 17% in the Province of Papua and 32% in Papua Pegunungan. These figures reflect notable differences in economic conditions between the two regions.
Additionally, Papua New Guinea's Human Development Index (HDI) is 0.558, which is considered very low. While the HDI for Papua in Indonesia is not specifically separated, it shows an improving trend, with the government reporting significant progress in human development indicators for the region.
Papua New Guinea faces significant challenges in literacy, with an estimated adult literacy rate of below 15%. In comparison, the literacy rate in Papua Indonesia, although still lower than the national average, is generally higher, with reports indicating that approximately 36.1% of students in the region possess sufficient literacy skills. This suggests that, despite ongoing educational challenges in both regions, Papua Indonesia has a higher literacy rate than Papua New Guinea.
From an economic and human development perspective, the Papua region managed by Indonesia tends to be more prosperous on average compared to Papua New Guinea. However, it is important to note that there remains a significant disparity within the Papua region in Indonesia itself. Furthermore, prosperity is not solely measured by economic figures but also includes social, cultural, and political aspects. This analysis is derived from objective data and does not intend to favor any particular side.
Building road is difficult mate....
At least people in PNG owns land. The PNG Government owns only 1% of the in PNG unlike poor west papuans slaves. 😅
@@Smighty946what? Do you think no West Papuan own land? Do you really think that the Indonesian enslave them or something? Dude, they are more prosperous than the Eastern side. Why don't you go visit there sometimes and see for yourself.
All your points can to be summarised by comparing Vanimo Town in PNG to Jayapura in Papua Indonesia. Almost a 2hr drive apart, but worlds apart in terms of infrastructure development.
@KingsleyMaiauka , PNG is free from colonialism. That's all that matters.
It will be very hard for people in most countries to understand.
Let me put it this way . We own the land with the rainforest that is worth millions of dollars, and the government has no say on what on our land. We are not poor. We just don't have cash.
8:42 Knowledgia never said it wrong. Because indeed it's not wrong. But some random people maybe think it's wrong, wrong according to who? I know According your mother you are the smartest man but Maybe you ever thought that UN general secretary is smarter than you? If your national respresentatif congressman decides for something does it mean invalid because not everyone vote? According to UN general secretary referendum in Papua by 1000 Tribal Chief is legitimate. Tribal Chief is elected by their people. Back then they weren't even one item but scattered tribes
The fact that you are so scared of people saying how wrong the Act of Free Choice was just shows morally bankrupt you are because you know it’s wrong. Out of a population of at least 750,000 in 1969, the Indonesian military handpicked 1,000 Papuans, isolated them from journalists and international observers, and threatened their families with violence and torture if they didn’t vote for integration with Indonesia. What a surprise they unanimously voted for integration, 1000 out of 750000. You call that democratic? You think it’s right because the UN secretary general approved it? He was always going to let Indonesia have it because he and US president Kennedy didn’t want Indonesia to side with the soviets, so they forced the Netherlands to give them Papua, pretend to give them an indenpendence referendum, and then just say no. It was rigged from the start, and the Indonesians played it smart to get Papua but it still dosent change the fact that the majority of Papuans want independence and Indonesia is forcibly colonising them for minerals from Grasberg and Papuans timber resources. If a majority of Papuans wanted to be part of Indonesia then the Papuan insurgency would have ended 50 years ago, but yet it has continued for over 50 years and has in fact become more intense in the last few years, and that can only happen if the general population still supports the rebels, publicly or secretly.
@@newtonchamboand then if Papua becomes independent nowadays, do you guarantee that they will all be way better? the westerners take as much of papua natural resources as possible for your own interests, you and your country will exploit the resources there, only your country will enjoy the results and the Papuan people themselves will be marginalized
how ironically such a double standard, shameful, and uneducated westerner that didn't know anything lmfao
@newtonchambo how come you said it intensifying when rebel casualties have keep dwindling even lower compared to years1960s. I have been to Papua myself and speaking with local papuan they grateful to become the most prosperous Melanesian in the world. All other Melanesian country are way way poorer than local Indonesian papuan
@@newtonchamboI've been to the island. Spoke with a lot of people from the remote parts of the west. Yeah, they hated those rebels. Partly because they don't actually represent the tribes and, this is shocking to me, most of those rebel group comes from the east Papua. Losing tribes that lost their lands to other tribes. There some tiktok and youtube videos talking about it but goodluck finding them now. I guess mainstream media don't want to publish this side of story.
The more interesting question is how did the British Empire come to own half of New Guinea?
to this day
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutieIt's an imaginary line drawn by colonizers across ONE island and one people.
Indonesia lies to the west.
You're arguing over an imaginary line.
greetings from east timor to our brothers in west papua. i hope you all can follow our steps.
we still remember what they did to us "santa cruz 1991" 🌹.
No, I don't want to be poor like you. Sorry, I'm better off in Indonesia.
im sorry about that. i learn something new today, just found out about that genocide in east timor.
LOL aren't you guys poor now ? how you Portugese language now ?
Ikut menderita seperti kalian saat ini? 😅😅
Ironis
what's the correlation between wealth and Independence 😂.
anyway i will tell you something interesting. east timor only had around 1,3 millions people ( roughly 1/10 jakarta population ) and we had natural oil+petrolum (bayu-undan field). thanks for the free oil
oh forgot to mention we also included in "Pacific Australia Labour Mobility" so we can work freely in australia with better wages than yours. 😁
The Indonesian army conducted a fake referendum in 1969 calling it the "act of free choice Choosing 1000 West Papuans at Gun Point to vote for Indonesian rule. Americans, Australians, and Dutch citizens were present and witnessed it all. However there was little they could do as the USA and Indonesian government at that time had agreed to split the proceeds of the worlds largest gold and copper mine. Freeport Mine. America at that time was also trying to stop the spread of communism so it turned over a blind eye.
The United Nations has blood on its hands too as after decolonization , the indigenous people of a land get to decide their fate via their own country. The West Papuans never got that chance, indonesians are not culturally or historically indigenous to west papua. Since then there has been a low level insurgency but indonesia uses exessive military force to displace and kill west papuans - many of them now refugees in PNG.
Indonesia also actively blocks foreign media access to west papua, and their bots online try to get information blocked and removed. (This comment most likely will). Every day Papua New Guineans citizens and the rest of melanesian countries support west papua quest for independence. God willing they get it.
They only chose about 400 west papuan,rest of that is people from Java,Madura,Makassar,Bugis,Manado and Ambon.
Giving West Poplar over to the Indonesian state I was only going to have one outcome and It was either naïve or negligent, that the government wouldn’t have ever granted West Papua a referendum
All of these Papua stuff are basically "If Western did it it's okay, if non-western did it it's not okay". No one ask why British own New Guinea Papua and why this country is poorer + messier than Indonesian side of Papua.
Does British still own western Papua New Guinea ? Didn't they get independent in 1975 ? They are in commonwealth but British monarch is just the figure head like Canada or New Zealand.
@@trevoryin Ergo, still under britain.
And, whatever. Why are they poorer than West Papua?
@@eleethtahgra7182 They get independent in 1975. They are in common wealth but like Canada or New Zealand, British monarch is just the figure head. They can elect their own PM and formed government. The role of the royal appointed governer is to oversee the smooth transaction of governance. He cannot make policy or choose the leader. Rich or poor is dependent on the local government.
@Mardshima89 Poor? Messy?
You mean FREE?
@@trevoryin Ah, so it means that Indonesian govt is more adept than PNG govt.
Good to know.
Papuan or the people of Sahul also Indonesian ancestors before Aji Saka/Ajivaka from Bumi Majeti/Kali Serayu river in Jambudwipa (India) came...
They are well-known as Dewata Cengkar and have a very strong physique... Later, Aji Saka from Jambudwipa and the people of Yunan (South China) mix with Dewata Cengkar/the people of Sahul and became the present day Indonesian...
They are basically Indonesian... And already settled in Sahul land and Sundaland long before Sundaland sunk into the ocean and became Saptadwipa (Malay archipelago) according to wayang Purwa...
Sri Kresna (Batara Wisnu) also depicted as black-skinned person in Sunda region (West Java) because he is related with the inhabitants of Sundaland before Mahapralaya era (the great flood)... Meanwhile, Sri Kresna in India is depicted as blue person...
The percentage of Denisovan DNA is also quite large in Papuan population... We can see that there are large manusia purba fossils on Java island (Denisovan)... Without Papua, Indonesia not complete...
You could say that Papua (Sahul/Upasunda), Yunan-Champa, Irrawadi-Mekong river and Kali Serayu river/Bumi Majeti in Jambudwipa (Guava island/India) as the land of Indonesian ancestors...
You can trace it from:
1. The folklore of Aji Saka/Ajivaka
2. Wayang golek Purwa (manusia purba, buta, etc)
3. Sanghyang Nilakanta/Girinata and the formation of Saptadwipa (7 islands/Greater Sunda Islands) with Mt. Semeru/Mahameru in East Java as the center of the archipelago...
4. The reason why Batara Wisnu/Vishnu/Sri Kresna in Indonesia (especially Sunda region in West Java) depicted as black skinned person (black symbolises holy strength)
The depiction of the Pacific Ring of Fire according to wayang golek Purwa from Sunda region (West Java) also says the same thing. Namely, Sanghyang Anantaboga/Antaboga/Anantasesa (naga) coils around Mount Semeru/Mahameru in East Java, circling the Greater Sunda Islands (Saptadwipa) with its face facing the land of Sahul (present day Papua and Australian great desert)...
Even though the above comment is a folklore legend passed down from mouth to mouth that has not been scientifically proven, it still has a special place in the hearts of many Indonesians, especially Sundanese people...
I am Javanese and I consider Papua as Indonesians, but what you are saying is mad conspiracy nonsense
@@alexanderhansen3232 Just sharing some local legend from West Java... It isn't proven btw...
West Papua has received manyyy manyyyy prioritization and subsidy from Indonesian govt, in reality, other regions are jealous but they understand why.. Yet as the whole Indonesia govt struggling with corruption, so does West Papua. Corruption kills every potential advancement and is still the biggest hindrance of the whole archipelago to develop into a better nation.
The real problem is we need to talk about Indonesian Facist indoctrination.
tf does the word 'fascist' even mean anymore these days lol.
@@AntoineLasalle-1775 *Israel fascist indoctrination*
Was Ernest Douwes Dekker or Dipa Nusantara Aidit, both are leftists who advocates inclusion of Papua in an independent Indonsia, are fascists?
No west papuan in comment section,all are Indonesian or outsiders....nobody knows what average west papuan says
lol papuans identify as indonesian, it's like a texan isn't american. how misleading
because they are blocked from foreign media, internet, or a decent education and political representation. Keep them silent and feed them scraps while pillaging their natural resources..that what indonesia does to them.
Because west papuan are Indonesian lol 😂😂
West Papua’s independence is not just an emotional call for justice; it’s a practical solution to decades of marginalization, economic exploitation, and cultural suppression under Indonesian rule. Let’s break this down in clear terms.
Culturally, West Papua is a Melanesian land in every sense. The people there speak over 250 indigenous languages, practice traditions rooted in their deep connection to the land, and predominantly follow Christianity. Compare this to Indonesia’s Austronesian identity and Muslim-majority population, and the cultural divide is obvious. It’s no surprise that West Papuans feel alienated within a system that doesn’t reflect their heritage or values. Independence would allow them to revive and protect their cultural identity without interference.
Economically, let’s talk numbers. West Papua contributes billions of dollars annually to Indonesia’s GDP, mainly through its vast natural resources. The Grasberg mine, located in West Papua, is the largest gold mine and the second-largest copper mine in the world. Yet, despite this wealth, the province has one of the lowest GDPs per capita in Indonesia, at approximately $3,000 USD, compared to Indonesia's average of over $12,000 USD. The benefits of these resources flow outward to Jakarta and foreign corporations, leaving the locals impoverished. Independence would mean West Papuans could control their own wealth, reinvesting it into education, healthcare, and infrastructure.
On the topic of development, West Papua has some of the poorest living standards in Indonesia. The region has a population density of just 11 people per square kilometre (compared to Indonesia's national average of 151), which should ideally allow for more effective resource distribution. Yet, over 27% of the population lives below the poverty line, and access to education and healthcare is woefully inadequate. Literacy rates hover around 65% in some rural areas, far below Indonesia’s national average of 96%. An independent West Papua could focus on grassroots development tailored to its people, prioritizing education, healthcare, and infrastructure in ways Jakarta has failed to do.
Historically, the annexation of West Papua by Indonesia in 1969 was nothing short of a sham. The so-called "Act of Free Choice" involved only 1,026 handpicked individuals coerced into voting for integration under the watchful eyes of the Indonesian military. This violated the principle of self-determination enshrined in the United Nations Charter. Restoring independence would finally correct this historical injustice and respect the will of West Papuans, who have long fought for their right to self-rule.
Lastly, let’s not ignore the human cost. For decades, West Papua has been a site of conflict, with over 100,000 estimated deaths resulting from military operations, protests, and human rights abuses. Granting independence would put an end to the violence and give the people of West Papua a chance to govern themselves peacefully.
All in all, West Papua’s independence isn’t just about righting past wrongs-it’s about giving the region a fair chance to thrive. With its immense resource wealth, low population density, and resilient people, an independent West Papua has the potential to become a self-sustaining, prosperous nation. Let them have their shot.
Hear Hear....they deserve their rightful independence.
This should be pinned 😢❤
I love how the borders between the two countries are straight and then a random bump of the river border just bend into Indonesia's side
Only because native people of Papua couldn't fight the terrorists they were taking advantage of and their land was stolen and now it's been dry drain of their resources and destroyed free Papua free Papua now .
The word you were looking for is "escalation" not "elevation" - "the US wanted to prevent further "
...because they wanted oil from a "friendly" government.
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
AS A NATIONALIST OF INDONESIA I UST REMIND YOU
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
Fun fact Moh Hatta was not agree with Invasiob of West Papua, he says we should help West Papua gain their independence not invading them.. One of Hatta reason was, the difference between papuanese and rest of indonesian is too great, diff language, diff culture, diff skin color, even diff race
Hatta was Indonesia 1st vice president
Free Australian Aborigin 🇨🇺🇨🇺🇨🇺
@@BadrYudi jadi negara miskin 😂😂
@RamdhanRomanov4107 Gak Papa Yang penting Aborigin Sebagai Penduduk Asli Bisa Menjalankan negaranya sendiri 🤣🤣🤣
He didn't say anything about you Indonesians had to help us to gain our independence... He didn't want anything to do with us,He said "Regarding Papua,not my interest. The papuans deserve to determine their own fates on their own land". It is your first,dictactor,Romusha foreman, president Soekarno who was ambitious to rule Papua land so he Shouted Trikora... wanna know a truth ? We,the indigenous people of West Papua never wanted your presence on our land...
@@BadrYudisekrang kan pemerintah papua dah dipegang org papua, kurang apalagi? Freeport itu cuman seupil dibanding pulau lain kyk kalimantan
Please.... Tell us history of Australia... How many native turned off, now we recognize Australia controlled by white, Timor Leste separarated now... Who got the oil of Timor? Papua has a gold, for years Indonesia just got a very little of it.. Meanwhile white guy got the most of it. Indonesia now control take control that gold mine 51%-49%
Now propaganda about Papua pop up😂 quess why???
Never thought of this. Thx for sharing
That line was made between Spain and Portugal. It has nothing to do with the Dutch or the British, or Indonesia. Stop the genocide now......!
Wrong, western side of Papua was part of Tidore sultanate until the dutch took over in 1830s.
And there's no genocide so try again kiddo 😂
You can visit the region and enjoy the tourism there whenever you want.
I don't know how trusted this source is. but I could hear some hatred, jealousy, or some malicious intent from the narrator. The narrator obviously just follow the script made by some white guy. While we as Indonesian fought for our independence together as one entity. Maybe you could elaborate or compare this like hawaii is one of the founding states or whateverr you call it
The vast majority of West Papua's population has nothing in common with the rest of Indonesia ethnically or religiously, and is part of it solely for the same reason that Indonesia was once a Dutch possession: by brute force. And that is a simple fact.
The audacity to say, Free Palestine from the Indonesians who literally done similar shit to People in Timor Leste and Papua new guinea
Well the funny part is many Papuans support Israel😂
Not even close
@@paul5475 no palestinian did not given 1000trilion rupiah from ruling government to improve their quality of life
Actually the people of Papua themselves want to be part of Indonesia, in 1928 Papua sent their representatives to makes an oath together with other islands to formed a united country named Indonesia. in 1945, after Indonesia declaring their independence, in that same year Papua formed a group called "Komite Indonesia Merdeka (Committee of Freedom Indonesia)" to celebrate the freedom of Indonesia and helps to arrange the government in Papua.
But the Dutch Government that still in Papua region can't accept it, and they decided to create "devide et impera" by creating a new organization in 1946 (that later become OPM) telling the Papuan people that they're different from the Indonesian people. This action has led to some minority Papuans became rebels till now.
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
Me when i see the video about papua: **sigh** (putting my hazmat suit on and look at the comment section)
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
ME TOO BUT I MUST FIGHT MISSINFORMATION
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
fr they think they know everything about papua after watching this video
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie indonesian propaganda bot
Nobody is taking the Papuans seriously. Their lands and resources are viewed as something to be claimed to deny the rivals leverage over the other.
Before West Papua was "integrated" into Indonesia and before the arrival of the Dutch the natives lived contentedly in their lands.
Raising a middle class and stating that they would be better off under Indonesian or Western rule via Australia or America should eclipse the fact that the majority of the people may not want to be associated with either.
Next please do “Why do English people own Australia and New Zealand?”
Heres 2 history lessons on that request
Australia Day
Treaty of Waitangi
Easy!
As an Indonesian, I can must say that I can understand native Papuan's desire for independence considering that Indonedian government had the country's resources pretty much centralized in the Java and gave minimum attention to Papua.
Explain why national fund is higher for papua region not North Molluca or even manado
Those are my taxes meant to develop us as a nation together.. And im more than willing if papua got more of it
Javanese could sxxx themselves, but independence is out of the table since 1945
15 years ago, yes. But so is the rest of Indonesia other than Java too. But our government is learning and getting better now.
That is the reason of the new province pf Central Papua was created, they dont like the resource of Grasberg is taken to Jayapura instead of in staying in Central Papua.
@@thatguywhois 🤡
As per your login China should hand over Hong Kong back to UK. UK made HK international shipping port, life the population out of poverty, isn't it?
It is allways strange, when the fromer colonized, becones the colonizers.
Almost like no humans are innocent or something
Makes them sound like hypocrites?
Learn from the best, mate !
no one colonize anyone, there are UN lead referendum who decide that
Is it? But that's literally everyone who's ever been colonized.
England was colonized by rome.
China was colonized by England.
The America's were colonized by England.
Europe is being colonized by the middle east/africa today.
It's literally just human nature, it's strange to me that isn't obvious.
You might as well made a story about East Timor.
Another example how colonization by the western world separated a "country".
They werent even originally a country.
@@eleethtahgra7182 Agree. But the whole Nusantara are related but the European separated them as they wish. The same happened in Middle East and Africa too.
Papua and Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬 we are Melenisian wanpla ground wanlpa island.
read history bro. Before dutch Papua was part of the Sultanate of Tidore long before European colonizers arrived in the Indonesian archipelago. Do not measure the existence of a nation solely from the arrival of you, the European colonizers. ruclips.net/video/NeunKFw6aZI/видео.html&pp=ygUWc2VqYXJhaCBwYXB1YSBkciBjb25ueQ%3D%3D
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@@arthurmoran4951truth hurts.
Yups agree with you... Sultanate Tidore from Maluku/Molucca (now part of Indonesia) rule Papua long before Dutch imperialist came...
Sultanate and ruled are big words. More like trade posts at the western tip of the Island trading with the Papuans and only achieving power once backed by the Dutch. Stop exaggerating. From one colonizer to the next is all.
😂😂😂😂
Because Dutch colonized them and all of former Dutch colony became Indonesia. 😂.
Papuans has the same right as other indinonesian. Every governor and mayor in Papua are Papuans. There are racism here in indonesia, yes, but that also happened to chinese indonesian and other ethnic groups, that's the homework of the government.
Even the major tribes like Javanese and Sundanese also got racism from an anonymous minority entity
The is called Irian Jaya it belonged to the Indonesians not the Papua New Guineans at all as they came later their forefathers yet they were kind enough to give them the Papua New Guineans the easter side
many say all sorts of nonsense but that belonged to Indonesia 🇮🇩 they were there first there forefathers
Papua New Guineans from Africa their forefathers the other side
Finally, an interesting Knowledgia video 😊
As a Filipino, West Papua isnt even Austronesian like West Indonesia and Malaysia, it was forced by Indonesia to become a part of Indonesia.
You have to read Indonesian history, don't just believe western media
@diorizky8922 West Papuans originally dont even speak Austronesian languages tho lol..... They can speak Bahasa sure, but that is an imposed lingua franca. Kinda like how Manila is trying to impose "Filipino" which is modified Tagalog upon non-Tagalog speakers in the Philippines
@@ontariofirs7347 You have to read the history of the independence of the Indonesian nation, our nation is not as small as the Philippines, there are many ethnic languages, even more than 17,000 islands and more than 500 regional languages. This is not about differences but about how to unite all groups to fight together against colonialism
I thought Filipino were smarter than Indo. I was wrong then.
@@fahrezyman Dutty bwattybwoy
Chad Indonesian Nationalist vs Virgin Western Colonizers (This comment is totally not rage bait)
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I play rugby with Papuans in Bali, they all are happy to be part of Indonesia. It gives them more opportunity. There are heaps of West Papuans in the Indonesian military
Yes and there are tons of Arab-origin soldiers in the IDF, doesn’t make the Palestinian liberation struggle any less valid. Your point being?
The big question is: Why did the USA forces Netherlands to release Papua?
The answer is gold mountain, Grasberg in Papua is the second largest, producing 55.9 million tons gold
Can I have some?
@@cashewnuttel9054ask the americans, they own it since the 60
Dont forget maori new zealand, and abborigin australia thos are their land
yes but we must focus on protecting our people #PROTECTINDONESIA
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
+cancel lee kwan yu of singapore if u think like this, 😅
It's Papua Island, not New Guinea
In other words.... Indonesia stole it.... got it.
Indonesia did not steal the territory but Indonesia only seized the right to sovereignty in the region, Some parts of the sovereign territory of the unitary state of the Republic of Indonesia over all Dutch colonial territories Why don't you just comment on Australia or America which is standing on land stolen by native people by Europeans?
In fact, you have never heard the story about the United States invading the sovereign Hawaiian kingdom in the Pacific and ending the sovereign Hawaiian kingdom in the Pacific.
@@WardiSuhro I mean, basically they came in and did exactly what the dutch did which is do a land grab while barely talking to the native population. Wahhh wahhh America/Australia wahhh wahhh. Look man two wrongs don't make a right. That lands stolen too. But when it's not a western country taking stuff, stop pretending like you are special or immune to doing the same shit. It was pretty much taken and then those same native were given no voice. It's the same thing man, truth hurts get over it. Yeah I know about Hawaii too, same shit, stolen. The only difference is I acknowledge and accept where as you deny. I mean it's pretty much part of Indonesia now but let's not lie to feel better and say it wasn't stolen because it was.
@@WardiSuhro No they stole. They did exactly what the dutch did. They came in for a land grab and didn't talk to the native population or didn't give them a voice. That's exactly what the dutch did. AU/US stolen land including Hawaii, yeah that's stolen too. Two wrongs don't make a right. The only difference is I accept and acknowledge reality where as some places are livining in delusion land and make up history to fit their ideals/narrative to what sounds nice to them. Indonesia went on an island grab campaign after WW2. Don't believe me? Ask TImor Leste.
@@anonymityismynameyou know no shit about Timor leste. Why you never ask about west Timor (basically same people habitating the same Timor island)?
Look at the face of East Timor president Xanana Gusmao. He's a f*ing European descent. He and his gang provoked timorese natives to think that Indonesia is colonial force instead of anti colonial one.
USA and SU cooperated and threatened thet Netherlands with a Soviet attack on the Dutch fleet in Hollandia. RFK was the American who threatened Luns with this attack. When KGB archives were open in 1990-1991 this was confirmed. A few years later enemies of RFK killed him. Shortly after that Luns became head of NATO for a long time.
I take a notes that this video had 2 big mistake
First, Mr Hatta, the first vice president of Indonesia, never said that Papuans should became a distict nation and West Papua must became independent country. The fact is he said that the Papuans should ask to determine their choices, either remain as part of the Dutch, became independent nations or being part of Indonesia.
Second, the intension of Indonesia goverment to "reclaim" West Papua in early 1960's is'nt based of oil discovery in West Papua. It mainly based that the Dutch is broke their promise to discuss and consult the question with Indonesia. More than 10 years since 1949 The Hague aggrement, the Dutch still keep this question "internally" althought international community pressure them to solving this question with the UN and Indonesian regime.
Low intensity conflict?! With few casualties? As opposed to what??? Doesn't mean the killings of innocent papuans are any less brutal and animalistic.
If Indonesia has a right to be independent then why not Papua too?
The stupid question is that the sovereign territory of the Indonesian state is that the Indonesian state has the right to defend the sovereignty of its state.
You asked the Philippines whether the Mindanao region controlled by the Moros would be willing to secede and become an independent country?You ask, is India willing to let its sovereign territory in Kashmir be separated from India and become an independent country?You asked Türkiye if its sovereign territory inhabited by ethnic Kurds would be separated from Türkiye and become an independent country?You ask whether China is willing to make its regions of Tibet and Uighurs independent countries and Taiwan independent?You are asking whether Serbia will not recognize the sovereign independence of Kosovo?You asked Ukraine whether its sovereign territory in Crimea and Donetsk would be separated from Ukraine and become Russian territory?You ask whether France is willing to let its sovereign territory in the Pacific, New Colondonia, be separated from France and become an independent country?
@@WardiSuhro they all share one thing in common, colonizers
Ask the same question about why Scotland, North Ireland, Catalan and Basque didn't get their freedom ... LOL
if we give every region/ethnolinguistic group independence, it would set precedence, and the world would be a clusterfuck of chaos
They was independent from Dutch, cause part of Dutch east Indies.
If Papuan Island are unified there's still like a total of 800+ Native languages which is more than the rest of Indonesian archipeligo combined, even at our current situation tribal conflict is still an every month news in Papua, Bouganville alone will saparate from PNG in a few years. This really shows how diverse Papua Island is.
Independence movement will lead to huge loss of Economy and Logistics. This happened in Indonesia after the Dutch got kicked out by Japan although Japan brutal occupation make it 100x worse, the resulting loss of governance and market made Indonesia the 3rd poorest in the world in the 60s. If this whole ww2 didn't happen i would argue Indonesia would be better off under the Dutch commonwealth.
3:03, ah yes, a relatively small population of almost half a million people
Compared to the Island of Java and Sumatra yes thats small
"relatively"
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
lol in asia, it's normal to have billions of people per country. a population of not even a million is really small for asian country demographic standards
Papua new Guinea is 6.6 times the landmass of Ireland, and had a population of 8-10 million before the famine.... So yes , a very small population for that landmass
Even in the comments it’s a reflection of the paternalistic colonial attitudes towards Papua. What everyone else thinks or says is good for us versus what we actually want.
For regional geopolitic defense strategic, Indonesia learned a lot after losing Timor Leste (thanks to Australia and friends). So does Timor Leste. That's the reason why Indonesia is supporting Timor Leste joining ASEAN.
Let's be honest here, looking on how Australia involved as 'security' in Papua New Guinea's election, just like looking a wolf guarding chicken den.
If Indonesia out from West Papua, that region would be blood bath field, worse than Middle East or Haiti, not only Indonesia would affected by it, but the whole South East Asia region and countries.
We know China, Australia, USA, UK, eyeing that region, and how eager NATO countries having war in this region.
Devide et Impera.
Free Papua❤
Free Catalan
No one colonized PNG. A few trading spots on the coast, thats it.
Whites couldn't live in the tropics for long in that era.
Read more history book kiddo, especially the one about Africa.
Indonesia should return the land to the Papuans
No, they shouldn’t.
For what reason?
@@Open_56that bogus referendum
So Australian can stole it from the Locals ? Yeah, right..
i think its better to push to stick with Indonesia but on fairer treatment, representation and some autonomy. independence doesn't guarantee good future. If West Papua became independent likely foreign powers will interfere to get a share of their resources. i don't see any long term real benefit of independence, usually young nations are very fragile.
Why European own north America Australia new Zealand etc etc etc 😢😢😢
That's how the world has always worked.
Because they discovered and modernised these countries! just a guess!
Because they were smarter and stronger at the time
Because they are colonialists
Lol discovered? Don't you ever read about word "native"? @@rods6405
Papua is part of Indonesia, if Papua wants freedom they can for Papua New Guinea
Are we going to talk about the Indonesian genocide against the Black people in West Papua?
The same question as "Why does European own North America, Australia, and half of Africa's Resource (probably even more)"
Europe doesn't own North America; It's America that owns Europe. As for Africa, you need to ask all the African dictators that sold out to Europe that question.
colonizer justifying colonization XD
@@arthurmoran4951 oh yes, apparently Indonesian is "colonizing" Papuan, treating them as second class, enslaved, extract their resources and give nothing back to their people and land?
@@arthurmoran4951 colonizing papua is always be the best irony to heard from a white man
Because they developed technologies faster than everyone else during the age of exploration
Indonesia liberated from colonialism, became colonial itself.
This is Indonesia's sovereign territory and Indonesia is not a colonial country.
If this is the case, why don't you ask other countries?Like Thailand, why not let go of the rebellious Pattani region even though it is culturally and ethnically different, namely Malay?You ask why the Philippines doesn't relinquish its sovereign territory in Mindanao, which is dominated by Moro Muslims who rebelled to the Philippines?Why doesn't India relinquish its sovereign territory in rebellious Kashmir to become an independent state?You ask Türkiye, why doesn't it just relinquish its sovereign territory, which is predominantly Kurdish, to become an independent state?You ask China why it doesn't just let go of the Uighur-majority region of Xinjiang, and make Tibet an independent country and Taiwan an independent country.?You ask Ukraine if it is willing to annex its sovereign territories in Crimea and Donetsk to Russia?You asked whether Serbia would recognize Kosovo's independence? If you want to ask about areas that are still colonies, just ask France, is its sovereign territory in the Pacific, namely New Colondonia, willing to become an independent country?
What?? before the entry of West Papua into Indonesia they held a referendum between Indonesia or the Netherlands and the winner was Indonesia
You didnt know anything lol
@@WardiSuhro Because it's only right when I say it's right, and wrong when I say it's wrong.
This shows that not even the Indonesia didn't care about the Papua people,
They are still unaliving them to this date
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
THIS IS A LIE YOUR ACCOUNT IS 12 YEARS OLD AND YOU ONLY HAVE 2 COMMENTS, YOU BOT ACCOUNT! LET ME FIGHT YOUR MISSINFORMATION
WEST PAPUA ARE INDONESIAN BECAUSE AUTRONESIANS ARE COUSINS OF MELANESIANS JUST LIKE SLAVS ARE COUSINS OF CAUCASIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT AUSTRONESIAN INTERBREED WITH FOREIGNER WHILE MELANESIAN ARE ISOLATIONIST AND STAYED SIMILARLY GENETICALLY,LIKE AFRICANS, DARKER SKIN TONES. as a nationalist i must fight misinformation!
For centuries, Austronesian descents live in western papua province. If they want get their independence, it's up to them but it doesn't guarantee that Australia won't steal all their resources and leave them with nothing, ask timorese people 😂
@@LadyknightAnonymousSadistCutie
why would Australia take over land?
Indonesia occupied East Timor from 1975 even though they did not want to join Indonesia, in the 1990s they regained their freedom
Even after Indonesia became independent, there were still groups that did not want to join Indonesia, and yet no one listened to them, there were conflicts that continued until the early 2000s.
even in the 1960s, Indonesia had a war with Malaysia
on Borneo, because Indonesia wanted the entire island, but that failed
I have my respect for Indonesia, but no country should hide its dark side as if they have done nothing wrong towards their independence or their existence
Expressing criticism is part of history, everyone learns the right way, or they learn different sides that can lead to conflict
In other words. Indonesia and other big countries stole the Papua lands and separate its people.
Nyari penonton ye bang ? awoawokawok
The whole Papuan island has the right to gain their freedom. Let the Papuan alone with their island, let them manage their own independent country. No matter if it Dutch, UK, Aus or Indonesian, all of this entities are foreign colonialist.
In fact, Indonesia should be only from Jawanese Island. Indonesian Sukarno even betrayed Aceh Sultanate in Sumatra.
Nope. Only Indonesia can bring the spirit of unity in the region. Indonesia is not foreign entity for papua. I had some papuan friends when I was in college in North sumatera, we speak same language, share common knowledges, if we're not same people, I don't know what it is.
Imagine crying for decades for independence and then double down on those who wants independence from you too.... indonesia style
Yeah, tell that to the Catalan.
Said someone from nazi speaking countries lol
said from a kid that doesnt know but pretend like he know
@@TabbyCATasmr777 Bro still mad after more than 70 Years, pathetic
Said by outsider who got false news by US propaganda
The biggest irony is:
The Soviet Union supplying Indonesia's colonialist expansion into Papua
The US throwing a fellow NATO member under the bus for a country that won't align with them
The Indonesians going against their own constitution that "Liberty Was The Right Of EVERY NATION"
Indonesia also tried to do the same to Malaysia when they caught wind of Malaysia's independence.
The problem is that Malaysia's independence was given by the British, not the people's struggle and that is dangerous because the British still have interests in the region, if you don't know, just keep quiet
itu karena amerika sekutu belanda dan amerika jelas dong ga mau bantu Indonesia, makanya presiden sukarno pada saat itu meminta bantuan ke uni soviet.
Kan sudah jelas di perjanjian meja bundar yg mengatakan semua daerah yg menjadi bekas jajahan belanda di nusantara adalah Indonesia, pada saat itu papua masih menjadi bagian belanda kan hal ini tidak sesuai dong dengan imperialisme yg masih terjadi.
Untuk isu papua merdeka sudah jelas juga, pada saat itu diadakan jejak pendapat bersama masyarakat Papua dengan perwakilannya dan hasilnya mereka lebih memilih untuk menjadi bagian nkri dan hal ini juga sudah diakui pbb
do you know why aussie aborigines are not yet independent. You know why Native Americans are not yet independent. Do you know why Japan has not become independent until today?
Thats irony
Sukarno was afraid that Malaysia would become a British puppet so he tried to destroy it
@@masc3137you got huge deposit of gold, but most of them mine by foreigners,
You have vast palm oil farm, but half of them own by foreigners,
You have big amount of petroleum, but your people can't get any benefit from it,
But you still complain about your neighbour independence?
It's call negation, even Indonesia have it. Remember how much you need to pay, after Dutch suck your nation so much?
Wrong question western media!
It should be: why does half of New Guinea not part of Indonesia?
Because it is an unofficial Australian territory
@ why should it become Australian territory in the first place? Why should there even be America anyways in the first place?
Secret.
A voice from a American West Papuan.
In the quiet moments of reflection, I feel the weight of two worlds pressing upon my heart. As a Papuan American, my identity is a tapestry woven from the vibrant threads of West Papua's rich heritage and the diverse culture of my adopted homeland, America. Yet, amidst this blend, a profound sorrow lingers-the sorrow of a nation overlooked, forgotten, and perpetually caught in the shadows of greater powers.
Once, West Papua stood as a beacon under Dutch stewardship, a land of beauty and resilience. But the tides of history are relentless, and Indonesia's grasp tightened, erasing pieces of our identity and autonomy. The spirit of colonization, once distant, now feels uncomfortably familiar as we find ourselves entangled in the modern echoes of a Cold War 2.0. Between the towering influence of America and the rising might of China, West Papua becomes an unintended pawn, its destiny teetering on the whims of global titans.
How long, I wonder, will the divine gaze allow my people to endure this suffering? Our cries for recognition and justice often go unheard, buried beneath geopolitical agendas and economic interests. The land we cherish-its mountains, forests, and seas-bear silent witness to our struggle, yearning for liberation and respect.
Yet, amidst the despair, a resilient hope persists. Justice must prevail, not just for West Papua, but for all who are marginalized and silenced. It is a call to action that transcends borders, demanding that the world acknowledge our plight and stand in solidarity with our fight for self-determination and peace.
In the heart of America, where dreams are built and freedom is celebrated, I carry the spirit of West Papua-a reminder that true justice knows no boundaries. May our voices rise above the din of global politics, echoing the enduring hope that one day, our nation will no longer be snubbed or forgotten, but honored and free.
Bla bla bla.
Crimea river and enjoy your wellfare food stamp.
Dutch lapdog.
@ Improving your writing and using proper grammar can definitely help you capture more attention and effectively communicate your ideas. Clear and well-structured messages are often more persuasive and engaging, whether you're sharing your thoughts online or professionally. I understand that it can be especially challenging being Indonesian, considering the struggles with government corruption. Despite these obstacles, honing your communication skills can empower you to voice your opinions more strongly and connect with a wider audience. Keep striving to enhance your writing-your efforts can make a meaningful difference!
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Because they are no better than the colonisers they fought and rebelled against for so long…
The reality is most Papuans today are happy to be a part of 🇮🇩. You won't see any unrest in the cities. Previous president Jokowi visited Papua dozens of times and significantly improved infrastructure there, building paved roads to connect isolated villages to the main cities. People forget that those separatists are 0.001% of the Papuan population, plus they control an incredibly miniscule portion of land, hiding deep in the forested mountains without any clear plan/progress. All the best for Papua no matter what happens. There have been some clear injustice in the past, but thankfully current politicians have opened their eyes and shined a light on it. ❤
no they don't! As a Filipino, Indonesians you acts like China. Disgusted me. Lack of Morals
They won't listen, just following a trend that is happening.
The separatist groups control large swaths of territory in the interior they should have a right to independence and not be apart of Indonesia
@@epiccrusadr8583 Yea large swathes sure. Source: trust me bro
@@worlds3061 No, he's following government script.