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@9:40 that two hand weapon retention was pretty good. It looks like that could be your next video! It looks like his left knee keeps you from rotating to turn into him. It's thing like that people don't see or practice.
Have you thought about the necessity of carrying multiples? Refer to Clint Smith "one is none and two is one". I would also suggest blades as a defensive tool as a means to remove any obstacles preventing accessibility when you have close encounters. Fixed blades as an absolute standard. I don't know where you're at, but yes fixed blades are legal in my area. Some ideas to keep in mind, if you haven't thought of them yet. Additionally, empty handed skills are fantastic to have as well. Every tool is simply an answer to a question and every question needs an answer.
@@jasonadams8549 The Clinch pick from Shiv Works is meant for that exact thing. It's supposed to be a knife you can get out when you can't get anything else out. Like if you're pinned to the ground, or you're being shoved up against a wall, or you're in your car, and someone is in the passenger seat shoving you into the D pillar. Getting a clinch pick out is either going to make them get off of you, and give you enough space to get a firearm out, or, they're going to get filleted. You can;t really take a clinch pick away from someone without getting cut real bad.
You are working with big guys, big guys dont have anywhere near as many threats to assess. When there is a threat for a big guy, it is usually full on red cuz whoever it is just pulled an equaliser out of their trunk. Get some average sized guys.
@Christy Guichard you're just making shit up lol, no one is calling people nazis for shooting actual muggers in a struggle, typical shit to just make up a scenario and get mad about it
@Ike but no Mike It's not about whether or not the person who attacks you is trained but even if you assume that most males in America have played football or done wrestling which means 8 times out of ten they will tackle you pretty effective or sucker punch you if you watch world star you see it happen all the time and like Mike says everyone has a plan till they are punched. So to say oh I'm going to do (insert b.s. here) is not practical unless you train and even then it is a hard task you still need to be able to fight. This also excludes legal ramifications and legal issues that may be presented after the fact.
Yes "I would just shoot them" is my second favorite line. Only topped by "I would just kick em in the nutz" We all know that attackers come up bow politely then stand bow legged and say "excuse me good citizen I am your attacker would you like to defend before I rob you"
That and maze, stabbing etc. does not work in every instance but shooting worked for George Zimmerman even though he was on the ground and being pummeled. It's not bad to know some unarmed self-defense just like it's not bad to take a first aid course but not every person needs to be a doctor and it's obnoxious to ridicule them for it. Most people would rather be mugged, raped and even killed than spend ten years rolling on a fungus ridden mat so they would be considered effective by some guy who plays on people's fears to make money.
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 Zimmerman actually did have some MMA training, so it probably helped him access to his weapon. And the mats at gyms and dojos are cleaned and disinfected. Shouldn't be fungus riddled unless the place sucks. The fear mongering for profit applies to everything though, guns too. People saying "I would just shoot him" are often mocking the idea of training martial arts, so I'm not really mad at returning the sentiment tbh. People oversimplify way too much stuff these days, and not in just self defense.
I like how you respect the size and skills of your students. A lot of teachers have that tough-guy mentality with big guys, even though everyone in the room knows what happens if they go all out.
Every fight in this was amusing and entertaining, and then each time I remembered I was actually watching my hypothetical self getting my shit absolutely kicked in
100% I'm Mike's height. I'm laughing until I think, holy crap that's what I would look like but worse because I don't make my living by train LOL, so I'm extra screwed . Makes you respect big dudes more , the sheer strength they have to go ape shit and smash is nuts
Never even thought of that initial point. By the time you have a justifiable reason to use force, you're already going to be fighting to get to your weapon Great video and visualisation as always
@@isaweesaw Its ok i can understand maybe ur country is different law wise but for me i would shoot i wont let them take advantage of me.I know how to defend myself and read behavioural patterns.
Takes me a few moments and a lot of screaming to charge up my chi blasts. Best course of action is to have a climactic battle (maybe get beaten up a bit so you have an underdog finish) and then launch your kamehameha as a finishing blow. Don’t forget to double tap.
A lot of gun owners need to watch this. I know I'm not good at fighting so when I carry I focus all of my energy on avoiding conflict and being aware of my surroundings. Also started carrying pepper spray because you don't always have to shoot someone.
Very informative. Might I add one thing.. If your attacker had a knife, I think that would change everything. I personally know it would. And most knife attacks happen with out warning making it very unlikely you will get your firearm out. I know the police here have a 20 foot rule. Any closer and they wouldn't be able to draw and shoot before the person is on them. Great video. Good info. Keep up the great content
in this scenario, you will get cut anyway, but how severely, depends on your training. For police, security and others who are likely to be stabbed due to their occupation, the reasonable solution to improve the chance of survival would be stab proof/resistant armor.
The 21' "rule" was never intended as a rule. It started from some testing that was done and they found it was the minimum distance that an officer could reliably draw and get at least one shot off if charged by someone they are watching. That means you are almost certainly getting cut or stabbed at that distance unless you also move or get an immediately incapacitating hit, think central nervous system only. That's assuming you are completely focused on your attacker, carrying open and have a respectable draw to first shot time too. Pistols suck at stopping people quickly so you better be a really good shot or plan to move as it's happening.
@@chrisjones6002 But it also doesn't account for the fact that you're not likely to run into people stupid enough to keep charging through bullets. Nearly all people will fuck off when they see a gun, unless you are particularly special.
@@totalmetaljacket789 a rational person would stop of course but many violent people aren't rational. Did you see the videos of the guys charging police with knives lately? I remember seeing two separate incidents where the cops had to shoot them. Also people who are worked up won't necessarily know they've been shot or even react to it before getting to you.
@@chrisjones6002 I'm not a cop, and most violent people are rational enough to avoid death. This isn't a made up opinion. I've seen my fair share of self defense shootings in my time on the internet, and most run.
You would also have to consider if the other person notices the weapon on your body they will probably also try to take it from you, like in some extended wrestling
For real, impeded malfunction clearance is one of those things most people never even think of, so huge props, Mike. Tap-rack-bang plus a few extra steps is a lot harder to do right. Learn to use your kit, ffs.
As the old saying goes, dont put all your eggs into one basket. A serious question though, if you were to flip the scenario and say you tackled someone because youre scared they may have a gun, would it look like this grappling/wrestling kind of scenario? If so how would you further develop it to have a higher success rate of disarming the guy?
Gotta say the part at 3:24 was super informative. Underhook then across the back to pin the arm to prevent punches, but set up with the free hand attaining wrist control and pushing it to position. Head position plus arm hold takedown. Then at 3:42 punch the head get them to grab your wrists and guide that away from their body opening up a knee slide across the bicep, to NS. Solid. I'll try that next time I roll. Great video. I know many fat guys who have this mentality.
@@hard2hurt Thanks mate, love your videos, wish I could train with y'all but I'm over in VA. I'm just trying to be a sponge so I can be better than yesterday.
Kinda reminds me of that time when Shane from fightTips talked about his home self-defense class where they simulated an attacker in your bedroom and you had to draw your pistol from the nightstand. Shane was the only one who successfully fended off the attacker & got a shot off because he was the only one who focused on using unarmed fighting/jiujitsu to subdue the attacker first. Everyone else tried to reach for the pistol first and got into a wrestling match over it (which they lost).
You: Just woke up in surprise from a dead sleep. Intruder: Just spent 10 minutes psyching himself up to fuck somebody up if he has to. Who's going to win the first 30 seconds of that wrestling match?... You probably don't want that 30 seconds to be wrestling over a gun.
Agreed. Good stuff. The one with John and the UFC fighter is really good. I put the Clinchpick video in another comment on here about car weapons. Probably the best on-person carry defense tool I’ve seen.
Another really well thought out video. You are one of the best guys on YT because you actually give a counter argument to all the shit mall ninjas talk about. Lots of people out there act like everything is easier than it sounds and that there are short cuts for training. You always demonstrate the contrary.
Hey I just found your channel and I'm such a big fan already, your vids remind me of shooting the shit with my crossfit or bjj coaches before class, I really miss training these days and these videos keep me thinking about technique, i really appreciate it
Saw a video a while ago on a similar situation... What if your instinct is to fall on your back as you draw your weapon? Increase the distance immediately. You do open yourself to smacking your head on something but you might get the shot off.
Great vid mate, people always seem to forget about the practicalities of where you place your self defence tools, if you can't get it out and ready to go when someones got you pinned you fkd up big time, as a rule I always leave the house with a knife or two (two is one one is none) sometimes three depending on time of day/night and where I'm heading one is purposed for self defence the other two are multifunctional for general purposes, always put in the same spots and all easy to get to if I ever need one of them, would rather have one and not need it than need it and not have it especially in today's world
This is essentially what i always say, if someone hasn't tried to lay hands in you, you aren't drawing a deadly weapon, and if they have, a gun isn't going to save you if you can't already fight.
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Remember, and I do not mean this in an aggravating way, I want to remind you that semi autos with vasculating barrels are very unreliable when you push them into someone. I say this because you're seen a couple of times stabbing the guy with the barrell. And in a striker fired gun like a glock if you fuck that up the gun becomes useless. Take care nice video
@@hard2hurt I just noticed you saying it, it wasnt clear enough for me just because I don't speak good english and had to replay a few times, my bad. In that case well done man, love your channel keep it up.
This is why weapon lights are awesome. Get a tlr-1 on a g19 or something and it's a built in stand off. But best practice would be to try and hold it back. Craig Douglas has awesome videos on that
How practical would it be to use your legs for that first initial encounter just to gain distance? I have a back ground in Tae Kwon Do (obviously traditional martial arts have little practicality in real life situations) but my first instinct would be to create as much distance as I could by driving front push kick to the centre mass. Even with a huge bloke who knows how to grapple that unexpected kick would be enough to push him away or cause a slight stumble so you can retreat at least 2 steps back to give you time to draw your firearm? Would love to see your thoughts and see if it would work? I maybe completely wrong but in my head it seems to have a chance of working?
When I say kick I mean when he's first reaching out his arms going for that shoulder grab. Of course if he gets too close all you'll be doing is driving up your knee and making it easier to be taken to the floor. 🤣
This was interesting and very informative. Another thing in addition to people being nice, is that it's probably a little legally dubious to go for a gun in the middle of a one on one fist fight where you're still standing and contact has just been made.
I love seeing videos like this. Too many people won't carry because they train in martial arts, and too many people don't train in martial arts because they carry a gun. And most of the people in those groups just don't train enough lol. Keep up the realistic videos!
this video GREATLY illustrates why the idea of carrying a firearm for self defense but NOT having a round in the chamber is completely ludicrous. As hard as it was in each of these for you to get the firearm into action and clear, imagine if you had to do that AND rack the slide before you could use it effectively...
I'm skeptical of appendix carry. The number of fights I've seen end up in the mount makes me think it would be impossible to get to your weapon when you need it.
If it's appendix you can shrimp or bridge and get to it. You only have to move his weight. If it's 4 o clock you have to bridge both of you up. Try it. Look up Craig Douglas ECQC.
@@hard2hurt if you're responding to me, I didn't say its easy, just said it's possible. :) by which I mean if you're on your back with a dude in mount a gun at 4 o'clock might as well be on Mars.
This is exactly the concept of randori I was taught in Aikido, you can't try to go for any specific moves off the bat, you can't 'just do this', you have to work through the situation until there's an opportunity to execute, and everything else you're doing is managing the situation in hopes of finding an opportunity. You have to tread water and hold your breath under the big waves before the trough appears and you can get your breath back type of thing. Sometimes the wave is too big and you just don't get that opportunity in time unfortunately, but that's why you train, to give yourself as much opportunity as possible. Survival is a game of probabilities. And that final line is exactly the same kind of philosophy I agree with, if we really care about self defense, why are we trying to defeat people? We want to prevent and deescalate situations ideally before they get to this level. Extreme violent responses should be a last resort, not a first... as proven by so many over reactive untrained police unjustly murdering people.
LOVE THIS STUFF!!! Your thought process in real situations is spot on, in my on idiot opinion. Maybe it's time to up the ante with the pepperball gun and rubber balls?? You guys are as nuts as I am, I think it would be a great upgrade
A few thoughts about this. First, if you escalate from ordinary force to deadly force against an unarmed person, depending where you live, you will probably end up locked up. Second, if it does warrant a deadly response, you don't have to play by the rules. Bite em, poke them in the eye, hit them in the throat. Do what you need to break free.
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Love this my man, great points Mike! A friend of mine took a $1,400 course for 10 weeks (one class a week) on self defense and now claims to be a hand to hand expert. He spent the past few years dogging any kind of martial arts. Even though he took that class, he refuses to be pressure tested even by sparring in a controlled/safe environment. I’d be willing to bet you and I agree with how foolish that is, but I still would like to hear your thoughts.
@@hard2hurt I'm actually not far from you haha I do Karate up in Charlotte NC and I've been wanting to hit up your place next time the girl and I head to the beach
Actually, statistically speaking, a knife is one of the most effective weapons. They're quick and can do a decent amount of damage with basically no training.
The speed, ability to close distance quickly, and surprise are what make knives so “effective”. But that is thinking of it mostly from an offensive perspective, or a defensive one where it’s in your hand already and you have a “green light” that this person is someone you need to deal with. Having them tucked in places in your home is cool.. indoor range I’d take a long blade over almost anything. Anyone in your home is a threat.. but outside that they become less ideal. Problem with knife as personal carry in public is none of the big advantages of a knife benefit you. You still face speed of deployment/target recognition problem.. it’s got legal issues in that it’s too severely wounding/lethal for many situations. Requires commitment and getting in it to use effectively (but as you said, not tons of skill).
To be controversial, I’ve heard revolvers work better in a tussle because they are less likely to have issues like a semi auto, like jamming into someone and pulling the trigger won’t hang it up
Also having a weapon light that slightly protrudes past the barrel and slide makes it easier to push the weapon into something without taking it out of battery. This is why I have a tlr1hl on my g19 instead of a flush fitting light.
Great vid, some concepts you just gotta physically show. Another thing that goes against the "I'd just shoot him" argument: The shots you got off on the ground where from really awkward angles with your wrist, with the gun near your own head. I would NOT have the balls to shoot like that.
"Malfunctions" DING DING DING DING DING This right here. Having been in my share of fights i recognize that EVERY fight goes to grappling at some point and a firearm that needs to reciprocate in that space will probably end up out of battery. I carry a .38 revolver as my backup gun for this reason. Still have to be conscious of the blast from the forcing cone if you carry a .357 and i dont like holes in me if i can avoid it. Training with a dummy gun like this is INVALUABLE for carriers but rarely practiced. Thank you Icy Mike.
Craig Douglas of Shivworks is an expert of how to draw your gun when you're entangled with an attacker. It's pretty much use wrestling to get behind your attacker then draw your gun and fire. If you can't, use a knife that's carried opposite of your gun, and draw that and stab your assailant until they back off so you can draw your gun. Check him out, he has some good stuff.
Excellent video. Situational awareness does help but it's not always 100% foolproof. I would expect to get hurt, possibly knocked down and more in a violent encounter. Could I draw my pistol and defend myself? I don't know and I hope I never find out.
that last scenario is the scenario that literally nobody ever seems to want to admit or think about even if they admit all the other stuff of how hard it is in a real situation weapons can be used against you if you lose control of your weapon.
Another thing that is really scary about this is that most of those "shots" wouldn't even have gone off because when a glock (or any tilting lock semi-auto's for that matter) is barrel stuffed into someone like that, the gun isnt in battery and wont go bang when you want it to. Actually one of the few big advantages of revolvers is this scenario.
What if you true well falling backwards onto your lower back with your holding your head up, hunched, I mean, you’d have to worry about shooting yourself in the foot you could ward him off with your feet while you shot him, or keep him from closing with the thread of your feet and shoot him those are both advantages I see with appendix caring
you should try to add eye rakes or eye pokes in these situational exercises that is a weapon more reliable than one that is tucked away. Musashi wrote" when you sacrifice your life, you must make fullest use of your weaponry"
One of my favorite drills during a BJJ class was when we would wrestle for a gun. One person would put a plastic gun in their belt and as soon as their partner would reach for the gun it was on. If you could get to your back and use your legs to make space that would usually give you enough room to draw and fire.
@@johnh8546 Same here, wrestling isn't that popular where I'm from and idek if there's a gym in my town 😂. I'd be absolutely clueless against a wrestler nevermind one that can strike
That is why I love my Ka Bar TDI. You can draw it so quickly and easily. It can buy you time to pull your gun. If you carry a gun, you should carry a short fixed blade knife like a Cold Steel Push Dagger or Ka Bar TDI.
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@9:40 that two hand weapon retention was pretty good. It looks like that could be your next video! It looks like his left knee keeps you from rotating to turn into him. It's thing like that people don't see or practice.
Have you thought about the necessity of carrying multiples? Refer to Clint Smith "one is none and two is one". I would also suggest blades as a defensive tool as a means to remove any obstacles preventing accessibility when you have close encounters. Fixed blades as an absolute standard. I don't know where you're at, but yes fixed blades are legal in my area. Some ideas to keep in mind, if you haven't thought of them yet.
Additionally, empty handed skills are fantastic to have as well. Every tool is simply an answer to a question and every question needs an answer.
@@jasonadams8549 The Clinch pick from Shiv Works is meant for that exact thing. It's supposed to be a knife you can get out when you can't get anything else out.
Like if you're pinned to the ground, or you're being shoved up against a wall, or you're in your car, and someone is in the passenger seat shoving you into the D pillar.
Getting a clinch pick out is either going to make them get off of you, and give you enough space to get a firearm out, or, they're going to get filleted. You can;t really take a clinch pick away from someone without getting cut real bad.
You are working with big guys, big guys dont have anywhere near as many threats to assess. When there is a threat for a big guy, it is usually full on red cuz whoever it is just pulled an equaliser out of their trunk. Get some average sized guys.
Start doing a series where you compare self defense tools, something like machete vs hammer
Mike: "You've got a 50/50 chance of failing at self defense or succeeding at murder."
Narrator: They hated him, because he spoke the truth.
@Christy Guichard you're just making shit up lol, no one is calling people nazis for shooting actual muggers in a struggle, typical shit to just make up a scenario and get mad about it
My legs are my concealed weapons, but only when I wear pants
thank you sensei seth very cool
Are they registered as lethal weapons though?
@@StormBringare of course, I’m a law abiding citizen
@@SenseiSeth
And my farts are deadly, between you, me and Bruce Lee we almost have an entire lethal human.
Running away is the 2º best self defense move.
Duh.. just draw your piece when you hear the scary music!
Damn...
😂
hahahahahahaahahaa
Never carry just a piece of the firearm sir. Always carry the entire gun machine!
go into VATS and shoot while time slows.
"I would *just* do this thing!"
Ah yes, Just-Jutsu, the most popular form of Bullshido.
I'm a dectuple stripe 15th degree super kami guru dragon black belt in Just jutsu.
If it was easy to win a fight with just one "thing" everyone could do it and win the fight
@Ike but no Mike It's not about whether or not the person who attacks you is trained but even if you assume that most males in America have played football or done wrestling which means 8 times out of ten they will tackle you pretty effective or sucker punch you if you watch world star you see it happen all the time and like Mike says everyone has a plan till they are punched. So to say oh I'm going to do (insert b.s. here) is not practical unless you train and even then it is a hard task you still need to be able to fight. This also excludes legal ramifications and legal issues that may be presented after the fact.
@@MrKeepnit100 Super kami guru... TFS?
@@Murcielag0scuro I see you also are one of culture
What I like about this channel is that the self defense tips are leavened with a helping of common sense and sarcasm.
"Any time you put a 'just' in there, you're full of crap."
Mike, it astounds me how much you say which is simply perfect. This is why I am here.
I'm sorry, clearly Mike is ignoring how I could just use my magical powers of flight to escape
That is my take-away from this video.
yeah, it’s j… it’s ju- it’s perfect
Yes "I would just shoot them" is my second favorite line. Only topped by "I would just kick em in the nutz" We all know that attackers come up bow politely then stand bow legged and say "excuse me good citizen I am your attacker would you like to defend before I rob you"
Let us play a game of chess for your wallet
That and maze, stabbing etc. does not work in every instance but shooting worked for George Zimmerman even though he was on the ground and being pummeled. It's not bad to know some unarmed self-defense just like it's not bad to take a first aid course but not every person needs to be a doctor and it's obnoxious to ridicule them for it. Most people would rather be mugged, raped and even killed than spend ten years rolling on a fungus ridden mat so they would be considered effective by some guy who plays on people's fears to make money.
"Just kick him in the knee."
I actually used to say that when I was a kid. Then, I wasn't a kid and stopped.
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252
Zimmerman actually did have some MMA training, so it probably helped him access to his weapon.
And the mats at gyms and dojos are cleaned and disinfected. Shouldn't be fungus riddled unless the place sucks.
The fear mongering for profit applies to everything though, guns too.
People saying "I would just shoot him" are often mocking the idea of training martial arts, so I'm not really mad at returning the sentiment tbh. People oversimplify way too much stuff these days, and not in just self defense.
You forgot the famed "I would just kick them in the knee "
I like how you respect the size and skills of your students. A lot of teachers have that tough-guy mentality with big guys, even though everyone in the room knows what happens if they go all out.
Not good instructors
‘Well, because you’re in my personal space and you just-‘
And now I'm dead lol
It says a lot about Nate's character that he didn't even know how to PRETEND to be a bad guy walking up to you
I can't say the same lol...
Mike: is being smothered by wrestler
Also mike: "I would just shoot him"
Sounds about right for the comments lol
Every fight in this was amusing and entertaining, and then each time I remembered I was actually watching my hypothetical self getting my shit absolutely kicked in
Yeah its fun until you think what we are simulating lol
100% I'm Mike's height.
I'm laughing until I think, holy crap that's what I would look like but worse because I don't make my living by train LOL, so I'm extra screwed .
Makes you respect big dudes more , the sheer strength they have to go ape shit and smash is nuts
Lmaooo! When Nate had you on the ground and you were saying “I would just shoot him” I was dying.
I only wear thai shorts and a gi top on a date
Gi top with a bow tie for weddings.
"I'm here to assault you!"
"No thanks, already had rough day."
Never even thought of that initial point. By the time you have a justifiable reason to use force, you're already going to be fighting to get to your weapon
Great video and visualisation as always
Just shoot before they try or stay far away
murder is better then trouble
@@gamersforlife3440 How about neither? You can't just shoot everyone you think might threaten you
@@isaweesaw Lol if someone coming at me or trying to provoke me will aim gun and if he do something i will shoot if u wont u are an idiot bro :)
@@isaweesaw Its ok i can understand maybe ur country is different law wise but for me i would shoot i wont let them take advantage of me.I know how to defend myself and read behavioural patterns.
Takes me a few moments and a lot of screaming to charge up my chi blasts. Best course of action is to have a climactic battle (maybe get beaten up a bit so you have an underdog finish) and then launch your kamehameha as a finishing blow.
Don’t forget to double tap.
Just casually screams for 5 min
Thats why you need b level characters to be cannon fodder while you power up. Perhaps a friend no one really likes?
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I love how Mike's idea of motivation for his students to tackle him is to slap them in the face.
He started to back off and i had to slap him again to get him to go when we were on the ground too lol
A lot of gun owners need to watch this. I know I'm not good at fighting so when I carry I focus all of my energy on avoiding conflict and being aware of my surroundings. Also started carrying pepper spray because you don't always have to shoot someone.
Very informative.
Might I add one thing..
If your attacker had a knife, I think that would change everything. I personally know it would. And most knife attacks happen with out warning making it very unlikely you will get your firearm out. I know the police here have a 20 foot rule. Any closer and they wouldn't be able to draw and shoot before the person is on them. Great video. Good info. Keep up the great content
in this scenario, you will get cut anyway, but how severely, depends on your training. For police, security and others who are likely to be stabbed due to their occupation, the reasonable solution to improve the chance of survival would be stab proof/resistant armor.
The 21' "rule" was never intended as a rule. It started from some testing that was done and they found it was the minimum distance that an officer could reliably draw and get at least one shot off if charged by someone they are watching. That means you are almost certainly getting cut or stabbed at that distance unless you also move or get an immediately incapacitating hit, think central nervous system only. That's assuming you are completely focused on your attacker, carrying open and have a respectable draw to first shot time too. Pistols suck at stopping people quickly so you better be a really good shot or plan to move as it's happening.
@@chrisjones6002 But it also doesn't account for the fact that you're not likely to run into people stupid enough to keep charging through bullets.
Nearly all people will fuck off when they see a gun, unless you are particularly special.
@@totalmetaljacket789 a rational person would stop of course but many violent people aren't rational. Did you see the videos of the guys charging police with knives lately? I remember seeing two separate incidents where the cops had to shoot them.
Also people who are worked up won't necessarily know they've been shot or even react to it before getting to you.
@@chrisjones6002 I'm not a cop, and most violent people are rational enough to avoid death.
This isn't a made up opinion. I've seen my fair share of self defense shootings in my time on the internet, and most run.
Weapon retention or force on force classes will open eyes to those "I'll just shoot'em."
You would also have to consider if the other person notices the weapon on your body they will probably also try to take it from you, like in some extended wrestling
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cliff was like "chill out bro it's just a wallet"
The most emotion we’ve ever seen cliff show next we see a big smile
For real, impeded malfunction clearance is one of those things most people never even think of, so huge props, Mike. Tap-rack-bang plus a few extra steps is a lot harder to do right. Learn to use your kit, ffs.
Yes, I can, I'm very good at drawing. And I always carry some paper, so I can have something to draw on.
What does this even mean lol?
@@scottratliff9776 Just a joke.
I thought it was funny
Wild western artist
Thanks Mike and company!
Best weapon self defense video on the web! I'm a officer and sometimes I feel like no one on Earth has a clue until watch these videos. Thanks bro!
As the old saying goes, dont put all your eggs into one basket.
A serious question though, if you were to flip the scenario and say you tackled someone because youre scared they may have a gun, would it look like this grappling/wrestling kind of scenario? If so how would you further develop it to have a higher success rate of disarming the guy?
Get a training gun and wrestle over it with a friend. That's what it looks like.
Don’t tackle people with guns. Case in point, Kyle Rittenhouse.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 tell that to the bad guy in this video demonstration 😂
@@perrenchan6600 You’re forgetting that most of them got shot 😂
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 they got shot either way, it's almost as if it's bad to attack people 🤔😂
I`m trying to convince some of the BJJ crew to try this with me. Most of us carry and I feel like this type of training often gets neglected.
This is hands down my favorite Hard2Hurt video.
I want an "I would just shoot him" t-shirt with you trapped under Nate.
Gotta say the part at 3:24 was super informative.
Underhook then across the back to pin the arm to prevent punches, but set up with the free hand attaining wrist control and pushing it to position.
Head position plus arm hold takedown.
Then at 3:42 punch the head get them to grab your wrists and guide that away from their body opening up a knee slide across the bicep, to NS.
Solid. I'll try that next time I roll.
Great video. I know many fat guys who have this mentality.
lol this dude likes to learn... he's looking at the video behind the video
@@hard2hurt Thanks mate, love your videos, wish I could train with y'all but I'm over in VA. I'm just trying to be a sponge so I can be better than yesterday.
First video I saw of yours and can’t wait to see more
Kinda reminds me of that time when Shane from fightTips talked about his home self-defense class where they simulated an attacker in your bedroom and you had to draw your pistol from the nightstand. Shane was the only one who successfully fended off the attacker & got a shot off because he was the only one who focused on using unarmed fighting/jiujitsu to subdue the attacker first. Everyone else tried to reach for the pistol first and got into a wrestling match over it (which they lost).
You: Just woke up in surprise from a dead sleep.
Intruder: Just spent 10 minutes psyching himself up to fuck somebody up if he has to.
Who's going to win the first 30 seconds of that wrestling match?... You probably don't want that 30 seconds to be wrestling over a gun.
@@JCPRuckus Well I'd hope I wouldn't be waking up when they get to my bedroom door... All the other noise beforehand would probably be good enough.
@@totalmetaljacket789 - Yeah, but that's not the scenario OP was talking about. So that's not the point I was making.
Great video Mike!! The content and the production was both really good.
This one reminds me of Craig Douglas’s ECQC stuff. Are you familiar with that?
I literally just commented that when I saw the first minute I thought of Craig lol
Agreed.
Good stuff.
The one with John and the UFC fighter is really good.
I put the Clinchpick video in another comment on here about car weapons.
Probably the best on-person carry defense tool I’ve seen.
Oof. I'm getting sweaty just remembering that course. That one left me bruised for a bit.
Another really well thought out video. You are one of the best guys on YT because you actually give a counter argument to all the shit mall ninjas talk about. Lots of people out there act like everything is easier than it sounds and that there are short cuts for training. You always demonstrate the contrary.
This is one of the most important videos you have made. Well done.
"I'd rather be judged by 12, than be carried by 6 guys"
damn!
I have that same holster. Love it! Ronin 3-L for M&P 2.0C. Great video guys, keep up the good work!
Hey I just found your channel and I'm such a big fan already, your vids remind me of shooting the shit with my crossfit or bjj coaches before class, I really miss training these days and these videos keep me thinking about technique, i really appreciate it
Are you doing something at least? calisthenics? conditioning? solo drills?
7:23 that would make a great movie line after a realistic tussle / grappling fight for a gun.
Saw a video a while ago on a similar situation... What if your instinct is to fall on your back as you draw your weapon? Increase the distance immediately. You do open yourself to smacking your head on something but you might get the shot off.
Great vid mate, people always seem to forget about the practicalities of where you place your self defence tools, if you can't get it out and ready to go when someones got you pinned you fkd up big time, as a rule I always leave the house with a knife or two (two is one one is none) sometimes three depending on time of day/night and where I'm heading one is purposed for self defence the other two are multifunctional for general purposes, always put in the same spots and all easy to get to if I ever need one of them, would rather have one and not need it than need it and not have it especially in today's world
This is essentially what i always say, if someone hasn't tried to lay hands in you, you aren't drawing a deadly weapon, and if they have, a gun isn't going to save you if you can't already fight.
Wish we had someone local like this cus this is worthwhile practical self defense training I would sign up for
Love LAS concealment. They're one of the few holster manufacturers that support Olight and they make great, high quality products. I've rocked a Saya for two years straight - love it!
Remember, and I do not mean this in an aggravating way, I want to remind you that semi autos with vasculating barrels are very unreliable when you push them into someone. I say this because you're seen a couple of times stabbing the guy with the barrell. And in a striker fired gun like a glock if you fuck that up the gun becomes useless.
Take care nice video
You mean like i said would happen in the video lol?
@@hard2hurt I just noticed you saying it, it wasnt clear enough for me just because I don't speak good english and had to replay a few times, my bad. In that case well done man, love your channel keep it up.
This is why weapon lights are awesome. Get a tlr-1 on a g19 or something and it's a built in stand off. But best practice would be to try and hold it back. Craig Douglas has awesome videos on that
6:22 "I would just shoot him" while Mike was currently in the process of being converted into a bowling ball. 11/10
I love how mike is always on the edge of murder when teaching self defense but you gotta do what you gotta do
Last time I was watching streetbeefs, and this dude got mounted, and someone in the crowd screamed “STAND UP, JUST STAND UP” and I spit out water.
How practical would it be to use your legs for that first initial encounter just to gain distance? I have a back ground in Tae Kwon Do (obviously traditional martial arts have little practicality in real life situations) but my first instinct would be to create as much distance as I could by driving front push kick to the centre mass. Even with a huge bloke who knows how to grapple that unexpected kick would be enough to push him away or cause a slight stumble so you can retreat at least 2 steps back to give you time to draw your firearm? Would love to see your thoughts and see if it would work?
I maybe completely wrong but in my head it seems to have a chance of working?
When I say kick I mean when he's first reaching out his arms going for that shoulder grab. Of course if he gets too close all you'll be doing is driving up your knee and making it easier to be taken to the floor. 🤣
It's a mixed bag. If you're good at kicking, yeah go for it. I would use it... but that wasn't the context of what we are working on here.
You need to have Craig Douglas on his ECQC course is something you need to experience.
7:36 thats alot of weight aint it 😭😭😭😂😂😂
That's exactly what I've been saying in some gun channel, thanks for bringing this subject up...
Plus I usually keep my knife on the opposite side of my hip incase of such encounter...
You’ll know when to draw before the attacker comes at you cause the epic boss battle music will start playing
I noticed that the time you where able to draw your weapon note safely was when you where able to creat distance.
This was interesting and very informative. Another thing in addition to people being nice, is that it's probably a little legally dubious to go for a gun in the middle of a one on one fist fight where you're still standing and contact has just been made.
I love seeing videos like this. Too many people won't carry because they train in martial arts, and too many people don't train in martial arts because they carry a gun. And most of the people in those groups just don't train enough lol. Keep up the realistic videos!
Nice job using your knee/shin to break the grips off your wrist. Works great in alot of situations.
This is one of the most important videos y'all have done. People really need to think about this stuff.
When someone says "I would just shoot him," what I hear is someone waiting for an excuse - real or imagined - to pull a gun on another person.
this video GREATLY illustrates why the idea of carrying a firearm for self defense but NOT having a round in the chamber is completely ludicrous. As hard as it was in each of these for you to get the firearm into action and clear, imagine if you had to do that AND rack the slide before you could use it effectively...
I'm skeptical of appendix carry. The number of fights I've seen end up in the mount makes me think it would be impossible to get to your weapon when you need it.
U get mounted not matter what ur carry position, ur f’ed anyway
If it's appendix you can shrimp or bridge and get to it. You only have to move his weight. If it's 4 o clock you have to bridge both of you up. Try it.
Look up Craig Douglas ECQC.
Lol... yeah see... super simple... hahaha
@@hard2hurt if you're responding to me, I didn't say its easy, just said it's possible. :) by which I mean if you're on your back with a dude in mount a gun at 4 o'clock might as well be on Mars.
@@Jamoni1 thats his whole point. Its all possible, easier said than done.
This is exactly the concept of randori I was taught in Aikido, you can't try to go for any specific moves off the bat, you can't 'just do this', you have to work through the situation until there's an opportunity to execute, and everything else you're doing is managing the situation in hopes of finding an opportunity. You have to tread water and hold your breath under the big waves before the trough appears and you can get your breath back type of thing. Sometimes the wave is too big and you just don't get that opportunity in time unfortunately, but that's why you train, to give yourself as much opportunity as possible. Survival is a game of probabilities.
And that final line is exactly the same kind of philosophy I agree with, if we really care about self defense, why are we trying to defeat people? We want to prevent and deescalate situations ideally before they get to this level. Extreme violent responses should be a last resort, not a first... as proven by so many over reactive untrained police unjustly murdering people.
LOVE THIS STUFF!!! Your thought process in real situations is spot on, in my on idiot opinion. Maybe it's time to up the ante with the pepperball gun and rubber balls?? You guys are as nuts as I am, I think it would be a great upgrade
A few thoughts about this. First, if you escalate from ordinary force to deadly force against an unarmed person, depending where you live, you will probably end up locked up. Second, if it does warrant a deadly response, you don't have to play by the rules. Bite em, poke them in the eye, hit them in the throat. Do what you need to break free.
"I don't know how to walk up to you and just tackle somebody." *(receives a slap of encouragement)*
Nate is such a sweet boy.
That holster looks amazing!! Have you ever tested a Raw Dog Tactical Holster? You will not be disappointed. It’s so comfortable, you don’t know you are wearing it and it’s very hard for someone else to disarm you, when under attack, but easy for you quick draw. They make IWB and OWB holsters with adjustable retention that fit like a glove. I love your videos and that you test different equipment in real-life scenarios and show how to confront various threats. Keep up the great work!!
3:46 he was in the perfect condition to do an oil check
Love this my man, great points Mike! A friend of mine took a $1,400 course for 10 weeks (one class a week) on self defense and now claims to be a hand to hand expert. He spent the past few years dogging any kind of martial arts. Even though he took that class, he refuses to be pressure tested even by sparring in a controlled/safe environment. I’d be willing to bet you and I agree with how foolish that is, but I still would like to hear your thoughts.
I could give you 6 boxing lessons and you would beat the fuck out of him lol
@@hard2hurt I'm actually not far from you haha I do Karate up in Charlotte NC and I've been wanting to hit up your place next time the girl and I head to the beach
@South Paw I believe his name was Steve Rodgriguez with Foo Dogs Tactical
Lol! Think this is my favorite H2H videos this far. Funny and informative. Classic!
I think this is one of your best videos. Nice work guys!
And this is why I carry I knife for lethal self-defense instead of a gun , I know they're not the best but they work
Actually, statistically speaking, a knife is one of the most effective weapons. They're quick and can do a decent amount of damage with basically no training.
@@huntsclan001 yeah I know the statistics, and the range of an attack is what has me carrying a knife
what statistics are you guys talking about lol
@@hard2hurt i heard them from funker tactical but I don't know the actual source, but knife attacks have high serviceability
The speed, ability to close distance quickly, and surprise are what make knives so “effective”.
But that is thinking of it mostly from an offensive perspective, or a defensive one where it’s in your hand already and you have a “green light” that this person is someone you need to deal with.
Having them tucked in places in your home is cool.. indoor range I’d take a long blade over almost anything.
Anyone in your home is a threat.. but outside that they become less ideal.
Problem with knife as personal carry in public is none of the big advantages of a knife benefit you. You still face speed of deployment/target recognition problem.. it’s got legal issues in that it’s too severely wounding/lethal for many situations. Requires commitment and getting in it to use effectively (but as you said, not tons of skill).
If aikido guys are messing with you just go for the body!
Or anything, I mean I’m pretty sure aikido training is worse than no training
This video plus the taser video are so eye opening. As important to the martial arts/ self-defense community as 'MMA vs Aikido'.
Actually in texas you can brandish a weapon while being threatened with physical violence even if the assailant is unarmed.
To be controversial, I’ve heard revolvers work better in a tussle because they are less likely to have issues like a semi auto, like jamming into someone and pulling the trigger won’t hang it up
That's not controversial. That's just true.
The cylinder can be jammed up from the sides though. But it definitely wont fail to eject because it doesnt eject in the first place lol.
Also having a weapon light that slightly protrudes past the barrel and slide makes it easier to push the weapon into something without taking it out of battery. This is why I have a tlr1hl on my g19 instead of a flush fitting light.
@@hard2hurt this is why I love your channel!
Great vid, some concepts you just gotta physically show.
Another thing that goes against the "I'd just shoot him" argument: The shots you got off on the ground where from really awkward angles with your wrist, with the gun near your own head. I would NOT have the balls to shoot like that.
Excellent video! This really shows the need to train at all levels. Would love to see you add a knife into the mix as a additional option.
I’m new to the channel, I’m enjoying your directness
You should make a video trying to run from an attacker since everyone seems to think they would just run away.
Love that north/south setup
"Limp-wrist test your guns with ammo," I heard Mike say. Awesome stuff!
"Malfunctions" DING DING DING DING DING
This right here. Having been in my share of fights i recognize that EVERY fight goes to grappling at some point and a firearm that needs to reciprocate in that space will probably end up out of battery.
I carry a .38 revolver as my backup gun for this reason. Still have to be conscious of the blast from the forcing cone if you carry a .357 and i dont like holes in me if i can avoid it.
Training with a dummy gun like this is INVALUABLE for carriers but rarely practiced. Thank you Icy Mike.
Lmaooo 6:12 “idk how to just walk up to you and tackle you”
*slap
“Come on man!”
Craig Douglas of Shivworks is an expert of how to draw your gun when you're entangled with an attacker. It's pretty much use wrestling to get behind your attacker then draw your gun and fire. If you can't, use a knife that's carried opposite of your gun, and draw that and stab your assailant until they back off so you can draw your gun. Check him out, he has some good stuff.
I would love to take a seminar on this. I personally don't carry but I think it would be a great learning experience.
Wow DOPE VIDEO!!! Thx for the info.👍
Great self defense training module.
Since carrying is not thinkable here in Germany I am more interested in your Adidas Sneakers :) what model are those?
Are you at least allowed to have pepper spray ?
@Oliver So, all a criminal has to do is bring a friend ?
@Oliver Then explain, please.
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y You will not need it , because in Germany nobody "just" (lol) gets assaulted ;-)
@@bombastikderteutone6858 I remember a firefighter getting assaulted by some drunk teens and dying, a few months ago.
What's this training gun you got? looks good
Its just a blue gun
Excellent video.
Situational awareness does help but it's not always 100% foolproof.
I would expect to get hurt, possibly knocked down and more in a violent encounter. Could I draw my pistol and defend myself? I don't know and I hope I never find out.
that last scenario is the scenario that literally nobody ever seems to want to admit or think about even if they admit all the other stuff of how hard it is in a real situation weapons can be used against you if you lose control of your weapon.
Another thing that is really scary about this is that most of those "shots" wouldn't even have gone off because when a glock (or any tilting lock semi-auto's for that matter) is barrel stuffed into someone like that, the gun isnt in battery and wont go bang when you want it to. Actually one of the few big advantages of revolvers is this scenario.
What if you true well falling backwards onto your lower back with your holding your head up, hunched, I mean, you’d have to worry about shooting yourself in the foot you could ward him off with your feet while you shot him, or keep him from closing with the thread of your feet and shoot him those are both advantages I see with appendix caring
Thank you for talking about this
you should try to add eye rakes or eye pokes in these situational exercises that is a weapon more reliable than one that is tucked away. Musashi wrote" when you sacrifice your life, you must make fullest use of your weaponry"
One of my favorite drills during a BJJ class was when we would wrestle for a gun. One person would put a plastic gun in their belt and as soon as their partner would reach for the gun it was on. If you could get to your back and use your legs to make space that would usually give you enough room to draw and fire.
"i would just shoot him" is my favorite line next to "wouldn't work in a real fight" or " if it was me ill just-..." lol
I love when people who've never trained watch a fight and say I would just do this.
Well if the mountain of a man that is Cliff attacked me I know exactly what I would do. I would just get my ass kicked. Your move.
@@johnh8546 I'd do my utmost to avoid getting in that situation in the first place 😂
@@PepeLa_ me too seeing as that's about my only hope to not loose.
@@johnh8546 Same here, wrestling isn't that popular where I'm from and idek if there's a gym in my town 😂.
I'd be absolutely clueless against a wrestler nevermind one that can strike
That is why I love my Ka Bar TDI. You can draw it so quickly and easily. It can buy you time to pull your gun. If you carry a gun, you should carry a short fixed blade knife like a Cold Steel Push Dagger or Ka Bar TDI.