Hopefully this is something fun that everyone can enjoy for the 25th Anniversary of Final Fantasy VII! Tell me what other types of challenges you think might make for an interesting video!
@@velvetbutterfly It would depend on how enjoyable it might be as a video. I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of the idea of doing challenges for the same games I've already done one on. But I won't say never, per-se :)
@@LibraScopeplenty of people make exceptions for their favourite games/series, I don't think people would complain if you did it some point down the line, just don't oversaturate the same game
@@velvetbutterfly Right. But what I'm saying is that I don't know if I'd want to. A video also has to be interesting to me, or it's a real chore to make, since they can sometimes be hundreds of hours of work. I'm already not really a challenge run channel (even though YT really wants me to be, lol), so I don't do the videos that often to begin with. So I want every one of them I make to be something I loved making :)
I just stumbled upon this video after watching some other FF7 challenge runs. Man, hearing, "the idea is a challenge that can be fun for everyone to try," is so refreshingly wholesome. Instant sub.
:D I'm glad that's appreciated! Unfortunately, it DOES mean it's rather difficult to come up with new ideas for challenges. But rest assured that I'll do them when I think of them, and the goal will always be to find stuff that's fun rather than simply difficult :)
Looks like a fun challenge but I'd probably take the Tifa Powersoul critical health speedrunner choice to deal massive damage. Would be interesting to see if you can do some of this with only 2 party members alive!
My Run: No Yuffie No Vincent No Optional Encounters No Wutai No Ultimate weapons No Knights of the round Lvl 1 limit breaks Steal the good attack items Face Sephiroth at Lvl 40 It’s more fun when he’s still a threat
I've played this game continuously since it launched, and watched a TON of content on 7, and I never knew that Ultimate Weapon's steals switch when in the air. Thats why I still look for videos on RUclips. Great video, man. This is a pretty fun, but attainable challenge.
Yeah, it's definitely an interesting quirk. And for me, a satisfying one since they can both be decently useful items in certain circumstances. Even the Curse Ring from the story fight can be. Glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching!
Awwwwe, does it bother you that I say the name of a fictional piece of magic differently? I'm so sorry. Should I get you a tissue? Just wait until you hear how I say Hydrocity Zone. Honestly, go 'zoomer' complain somewhere else, bruh. Thanks for the engagement though ;)
As a kid I was too impatient to catch a chocobo so I'd touch the closest corner of the marsh to get the zoom to come after me and once it did I'd try to run across once I got a good pattern from it. Took forever to do but I got to where I could run straight across without fighting it most of the time. Never finished it back then but when I bought the remaster I tried again and realized why I never finished the game doing stuff like that.
I tried this challenge as a kid, but I couldn’t get past Demon Wall Granted I wasn’t doing a challenge run, I just couldn’t be bothered with all the fights lol
I actually did a No Encounters challenge run on FF7 last month and it’s definitely not too difficult but does require forward thinking and decision making around what materia and equipment you need well in advance of quite a few boss battles. Such as picking up elemental materia to pair with Lightning materia for materia keeper or picking up the Destruct materia from Sephiroth in Nibelheim for ironically dispelling Sephiroth Wall spell in the final battle. This challenge is super fun and gets you coming up with strategies and materia combinations you wouldn’t normally use. Sephiroth is a pretty easy final boss as well so the final battle is not too bad even at a low level. Useful materias in this run are Restore (levelled up to Regen), Elemental, All, Added Effect, Time, Barrier (levelled up to MBarrier), Destruct (for the final battle), Double Cut, Long Range, Enemy Skill (for Trine, Aqua Lung, Shadow Flare and Beta), the 3 bahamuts and Comet for good damage, also Fire, Ice, Lightning for the early game and pairing with elemental materia on armour. Also characters like Barrett who attack with full damage from the back row are good.
that was a pretty nice and well done challenge, but i have some tips that maybe make it a bit easier:1. you can either get beta for the enemy skill materia that you already have, or, if youre lucky, just run straight through the swamp and dont get the midgar zolom encounter 2.get between 60 and 90 points when you have to "dance" for rufus, and you get a hp plus materia, its not only way earlier but also the force stealer is wayy cheaper and you can buy it in corel, and there is only the 1 bird fight and jenova between getting hp plus/force stealer and corel.3. wait with the last wutai fight until you have atleast 3 enemy skill materia, to learn trine from him, so all 3 characters can use it.(im playing ff7 again atm. on ps4 and the back row is really useful, i never put anyone there, and the 2 eyes in the ancient temple gave even me, who was lvl 35 with 3 hp plus etc. some trouble, theyre worse than the disc 2 enemies in junon) 4. you can also get a weapon for cid, vincent and a megaelixier in bone village at that point
All good points! I thought about going for Beta, but it felt like too much trouble to be worth it for me personally. And honestly, I just completely forgot about the HP Plus Materia offered in the minigame for impressing Rufus. Definitely a better reward.
The FREE Force stealer SUCKS its buyable shorty AFTER you get the more USEFUL HP plus materia for free besides on this version I'll still keep the 3x speed and INFINITE HP cheat on for a no encounters run for the entire game.
Rapps could have been made much easier by using Barett’s Mindblow Limit to greatly reduce its MP at the beginning of the fight so you don’t have to eat many Aero3s. Also pretty sure they sell Bio2 attack items somewhere.
Totally fair suggestions. Unfortunately, they're ones I did try. I looked up where to get Bio consumable items, and there aren't any places to buy them; only Morph/drop/Steal. And while Mindblow should've worked, since it's Gravity-based and Rapps isn't resistant or immune to Gravity, it took 0MP when I did it. Maybe there's another factor that I don't understand with Mindblow though, since it's a Limit that I never use, so I'm unfamiliar with its intricacies.
@@sephy26946 As I said, I don't really use it, so I might not fully understand it. But most times I use it it either takes no MP, or so little that I don't find it worth it.
@@tasselhoff1293 Sorry, RUclips never notified me about this comment. Yoshiyuki is a really risky option, since to get the most out of it, the other party members need to be KO'd, which would mean I'm basically always one Aero away from a Game Over. Also, can't steal Adaman Bangles if I can't do random battles :P
@@LibraScope I admit I've never tackled that boss without having Barret ready to use it and doing it immediately so maybe there is some weirdness to it
I could be wrong, but I think Primalliquid has probably done that? GarlandTheGreat almost certainly has a challenge that includes no EXP in it as well :)
An evolution of this challenge that might be interesting would be to use gameshark codes or cheat engine to prevent all experience gains. You'd be allowed to fight random battles and power up your materia, but at level 3 or so maybe the final crater would be a challenge? I would also ban the use of overpowered stuff like KotR or the W-Item glitch.
This is something that SHOULD be possible, given the low levels speedruns reach the end at, and the HP/MP Conversion runs people do. I've also seen people do Emerald Weapon with just Cloud, at the starting level of 6, no KotR and such. I'm not entirely sure how that or the HP/MP conversion runs are accomplished, but somehow they get it so that they take extremely low damage. I think 4-8 Productions one time even did an HP/MP conversion run where he never refilled his MP. So you can definitely push the game far harder than I did, successfully :D
I had no idea you could go and rest during the wutai bosses... I always assumed you were stuck in that building till it was done omg I've been making those fights significantly harder than I've needed too...
I did this challenge with random encounters off and no items a couple months ago. That was really hard but man was it fun! Really makes you think who to use in battle and what materia/armor to equip cause each fight is different.
I'm sure you've obtained it a bunch of times then. But it's definitely one of those Materia that - in a normal playthrough - has no necessary utility. It always has use, but you rarely need to put party members in the back row usually. And as such, it seems useless, particularly since it doesn't pair with anything in any way. I didn't really use it for the longest time either; outta sight, outta mind.
Love the concept! You can clear the marsh land without encountering the Midgar Zolom. A bit of timing required but it should avoid the save and load sequence.
Sorry, lol. I just thought it was funny, since when doing the challenge, I didn't know whether to keep her name Aeris, or change it to Aerith. So I combine them into Aeristh instead, and decided to reflect that in my script :D I knew I'd only really need to say her name through the first disc, so I figured it'd be a silly way to spice up the delivery. I'm glad you're enjoying it so far, and I hope you do indeed end up enjoying the channel as a whole!
Most likely not especially with older rpg titles, the only way to get stronger, more powerful, get new magic powers, skills etc. was to engage enemies and defeat them
I bet an interesting challenge would be "minimum battles". If you turn random encounters off and do Guard Skip in Midgar (to skip Air Buster), Cosmo Canyon skip (to skip 2 stingers and the Gi tribe leader), and Midgar Skip (to skip Proud Clod), and then play the minigame at Fort Condor to skip that boss, I think the total required battles comes in just under 50. I haven't tallied up all the EXP from those battles but it'd be an interesting (and probably very hard) challenge.
I love the idea, and instead of watching and seeing what you did, I'm gonna attempt to do this on my own and circle back and see what we did similar. :D
My first play though I had to restart the whole game at the death wall thing at temple of the ancients because my only save was right before it and I couldn’t beat it. I don’t know how this is possible.
I had a similar experience with my first playthrough, except I got stuck at the boss in Mount Nibel, then the wall in the Temple, and then finally at the boss before you take the submarine :D
Would have liked to know how possible the other weapons would be, if they are unquestionably impossible, or mostly impossible lol. I love challenges that take away the boring stat clash element in rpgs (love kh level one runs) and this is so up my alley, I'm almost tempted to buy this game again to have the option (only have the original). I'd be down for other vids like this. Maybe doing a no sphere grid run of FFX? It's been done before many times but I've heard its quite fun.
I thought about it. And defeating the other Weapons is always something I can go back to and try. There are absolutely going to be ways to take them down. The question is how you would limit the role luck plays, which is going to differ pretty vastly between Emerald and Ruby.
@@kurik_yt Thinking about it, yeah if I could take Ruby down through cheese, Emerald basically becomes automatic, since Ruby will get you access to a Gold Chocobo, which means you can grab Knights of the Round, which would mean the standard Mime/HP Absorb/KotR combo would be available. Technically, you can do the reverse too, since beating Emerald would grant Master Summon. But that seems like the harder option by far.
Umm the title asks if one can beat ff7 without random encounters… You answer the question early and that makes it “clickbait”…? I don’t know about others but I generally expect if a question is put to me in a video title, I feel that question SHOULD be answered at some point anyhow. Though usually in videos like this, it’s at videos end the answer is given lol- but who cares at what point it’s given? Very interesting video concept. 7, 8, & 9… Lol the main FinalFantasy games I have indulging in lol 😂 Played some of Final fantasy 3 of RECENT 2-3 years and played what I think is Final Fantasy 4…. With the character Cicil.. And beat it easily… Game is maybe too easy BUT fun & depressing story- first time around anyhow, as I knew not what would happen later 😅 Major part of the fun FIRST time around!!
A small but not insignificant amount of people still ended up getting upset at me for 'spoiling' that the run can be done that early. I guess I overestimated how easy people realize this game is :D Sounds like you're having fun with the series yourself! Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and I appreciate that you took the time to watch it!
@@LibraScope I hardly think that can count as a spoiler… Well, not one worthy of getting upset about. Actually, kind of nice knowing ahead of time then seeing so much of the video and if the answer is/ was “no” finding out after spending SO much of your day waiting to see- if you know upfront IF it’s going to be a fail, one can watch without that *possible* (depending on the person) nasty feeling of “time being wasted”… As one might be expecting the RUclipsr pulled it off; as RUclipsrs like yourself pull this challenge stuff you make videos I’d say in about 99.49 percent of the time in posted videos. Rare to encounter an epic fail at some challenge a expert tries. Cause experts tend to fail at failing, til they expect too much out of their own abilities lol 😝 But even a failed attempt is 100 and ten % worth showing as it shows the limits of how far you can push it when trying to challenge yourself- but I feel it’s possible that some would get upset over someone showing a failed challenge, as everyone is different and it takes all kinds lol Btw being careful not to spoil anything about the video via my comment here lol. Takes all kinds…
Ah, I see you went for a non-Powersoul strategy, brave. Also, if you hoard ethers and accessories until Cosmo Canyon, you can sell them and have enough Gil for 3 HP Plus materia, more Phoenix Downs and Tranquillizers, and enough for your next Gold Saucer trip. (I speedrun this on 3x speed, my record is 5hrs 11mins)
Any good uses for the reflect rings? I try to get them though it is annoying chasing Ultima... But yes, there really are some hard-hitting bosses, I noticed on casual replays, like rapps, demon wall, lost number... though it is true as a kid, all I remember is pressing X...
I'll be honest and say that I've never really used Reflect much at all in VII (or most of the games in the series, really), because of the inconsistency. Sometimes things that you'd assume are spells or that do magic damage are 'special attacks' that can't be reflected. A lot of the time the enemy using a spell absorbs that element, so reflecting it just heals them. Most of the games give reflected spells a damage bonus, so having Reflect on someone and then casting a spell on them yourself could be beneficial. It works well in some of the other games. But off the top of my head, I can't think of any place where Reflect would offer a transformatively effective or interesting strategy. And Reflect Rings are obtained so late that even in a challenge run like this, they're basically completely unnecessary. They could maybe offer some use against Ruby or Emerald, potentially. But I'm not sure.
@@LibraScope Ruby does have that Ultima, but then it's ultima and it may bypass Reflect. Also, the Dark Dragon has Ultima. I was thinking maybe at least Magic Breath from Parasites in the Northern Crater could reflect? Though I forget if they actually use that by themselves or if you only Manipulate them to use it. Can Lvl 4 Death from the Gargoyles reflect? Maybe Shadow Flare? Ruby uses that sometimes, as well as the Dragon Zombie.
@@erikofskullisland3987 I'm pretty sure Ultima is a spell that can't be reflected, but Shadow Flare can be. I don't think Lvl 4 Death is considered a spell, so that probably can't be.
I suppose that could be the case. I haven't seen a glitchless FFVII speedrun in years, but last time I did, they still couldn't get rid of some random encounters on larger screens. They also don't have reason or opportunity to explore a lot of side content or alternative strategies that could be helpful. I feel like the lower stress environment of not trying to go as fast as possible, makes this experience stand out from the speedrun either way. Not as a better experience; just a different one.
I just bought a switch oled just so i could play 7, 8 and 9. I had the originals as a child and never fully understood them being so much to keep up with and of course i was a kid. Such a great time im having on 7. Hope 8 and 9 are as enjoyable as i remember. Cheers dude!
@@TheKylebreezy I've heard a lot of iffy things about the recent ports, and I don't know if they've been fixed. Most people would argue 4, 5, and 6 are worth playing at least. But for me personally, I really only like going back to 5.
I've tried for YEARS and never was able to get that landing glitch for Quadra Magic to work. I had to bred chocobos and get it the hard way. What's the secret?
Honestly, I'm not really sure. It's something I was going to try a few times, and if I didn't get it I was gonna move on. Because I've also had a harder time with it on modern ports. It seems like it might just be pixel perfect, so the best advice I can give, is to get it so that the left side of the Highwind's shadow is just touching the cliffside, and then when you land, hold Square to activate the ship's strafing mode, and push it left so that the middle of the shadow JUST passes the cliffside. At least based on when I did it for this video, it looks like the goal is to get the ship to initially touch the top of the cliffside, and then since there's not enough room to land there, it pushes itself down to the bottom. That's the best advice I have.
As far as I can find, you can't do so without mods, surprisingly. Modding Final Fantasy VII is actually really easy using the 7th Heaven mod manager though. It basically does everything for you. You could ALSO maybe try using a controller, if you aren't already. All of the forums I could find about this topic seemed to be playing with keyboard and mouse. But the feature MIGHT exist in the same way as the console ports with a controller connected, which would be clicking L3+R3 at the same time.
@@batross5791 Ahh, coolarooney. I hope you enjoy playing around with random encounters being off! And anything else you try in 7th Heaven. New Threat Mod is definitely worth a look.
@@LibraScope Yup, it's the first time I play FF7, so I want to enjoy the game in the most similar way to the original, but without random encounters which are a waste of time for me.
I'm trying this now, but with a modification: I start each battle with full HP, MP and limit gauge. If you do random encounters, you'd have money for restorative potions. And you could use random battles to build your limit gauge before every boss. Thus, I rationalize, it's not really cheating. Right? it's not, right?
I'm kind of doing a challenge run with my channel. I'm not going out of my way to farm experience and essentially fighting every single fight from A to B. I'm about 2 maybe 3 hours in and I'm already at the shinra building to save Aries. And I'm only level 12 to 13 with Cloud, Tifa, Barrett. Plan on giving each character a job to be and sticking to it. Going to redo FF8 afterwards and see what fun can be had there. Great vid! Keep it up!
The only issue with something like this is you miss some fantastically weird bad guys. From Gamefaqs guides, a hundred times more effort went into most of the random encounters than you'll ever notice during gameplay (partly due to glitched AI). For example the Zolokalter enemy can actually work with your party as it attacks anything under Poison status, so if you poison other enemies he attacks them! And there are missing enemy abilities, dummied abilities etc.
You got me pumped to do it so I’m at the end game. All that’s left is Emerald and Ruby. Currently trying to beat Ruby!! I’m doing 7000 damage before I have to throw another dazer at him (I stole a dazer from the mushroom caps and ran from battle, beforehand). I’ve gotten him down 3/4 of the way before I inevitably mess up and he throws a whirlwind at me :( I wish there was some way to raise my stats slightly just to do more damage. 8000 would be nice so I know it’s about 100 dazers to win. I’m using cloud tifa and red XIII since I leveled them the highest in my game.
@@franimal86 Oh wow! You're more brave than I was. While I of course knew Emerald and Ruby were possible, I wasn't sure I had the patience to figure out how to best them in such a challenge. I really hope you can though!
@LibraScope I beat Ruby! I morphed a 3rd ribbon from ho-chu in battle square which was useful. Took 86 dazers to go down. I made sure to always have a person waiting on the dazer turn to not allow Ruby to gain any ATB. 6 rounds of attacks+dazers. Sadness the whole time. Start battle with everyone alive and let him kill 2 of your guys with swipe. Got the gold chocobo which means lots of loot! I morphed the guide book in battle square too, but I’m gonna take a break before I consider fighting Emerald. 200k more HP plus a hard limit on materia is gonna be rough.
Hahaha, that's good, because after I recorded it, I wasn't sure if it was annoying or not. But I didn't wanna redo like two hours of voiceover recording :D
One simple thing that makes Wutai easier is doing the Temple of the ancients first, because it has the no materia high attack weapons for everyone and for free. I don't know if it really makes it easier in this specific challenge, but going to Wutai immediately is sort of a noob trap for players that already beated the game.
That's fair. In a challenge like this specifically, I'm also not sure if Wutai's rewards would benefit the Temple more, or vice versa. It's an interesting question for sure.
@@LibraScopealso, great video! Concise, funny and informative! If you don't know it, I recommend the new threat mod. It's the most balanced that I played in any game in general. It expands the gameplay, doesn't just buff enemies without sense.
For limit breaks, you can get the next levels limits in any order. So if you focus on just kills, you can get the second level, and then the third levels limit break that needs kills. And then you can get all the limits you get by using limits. You don't actually have to go back and forth of using limits or getting kills to get your limit breaks.
Right, this is true. In a run like this, there just aren't going to be enough enemies to do that for a full party, if even a single party member. I didn't count exactly how many enemies you could defeat in a single run, and I should've. But unless you're taking advantage of every optional encounter you can, there's an extremely low amount. Even if you ARE, there's still a low amount. Then you factor in party configurations forcing people out of your party, and each party member has access to even fewer enemies to kill.
There's usually never any need to, unless you know exactly what you're looking for. But there are a fair few decent things you can Steal in the game. It's not quite as lucrative as it is in games like FFIX though, simply because most bosses in VII don't have anything at all, and mobs usually don't have anything valuable. In games like IX though, most every boss has something worth stealing.
as a speed runner my first thought was "yeah of course, that's how speed runs work" then I thought about it. Runs to take *some* encounters to get e-skills and to duplicate sources, so without those 2 things I don't think the speed runs would work
Yeah, it's a question that I feel has a pretty obvious answer. And if it was exactly like the speedruns, I think I'd have just not made the video. But the combination of not having access to certain things speedrunners do, and also HAVING the ability to take some other things slowly because you're not speedrunning, gives it a relatively unique vibe I think :)
Hahaha! It's legitimately taken me all day to figure out what your comment meant, because it never crossed my mind that the video would have SO MANY likes :D Next stop is 7777 I guess!
A lot of people don't like it, lol. But even though I understand it's based on the word "regenerate", it's also the name of a made up magical spell that - as far as I know - has never been said by a voice actor in Final Fantasy history. There's no real precedent for how it SHOULD be pronounced. So as far as I'm concerned, anything that follows basic English language conventions is fair game for pronunciation, and so I'm choosing to continue to pronounce it the way I have since I was 10 years old :D
Even though I've played through all of the numbered titles, I have much less experience with the 2D era, since they just don't gel with me in the same way. FFVIII though, all I'd have to do is find an interesting/engaging challenge, and I'd love to make a video on that!
@@m.c.i.d23 I'm sure I know the game well enough to do it. But I'm also not sure I have the patience for it from what I've seen, lol. Just the thought of how far I can get before early mistakes start coming back to haunt me is anxiety inducing :D
equip elemental+Choco/mog to barrets weapon for bottomswell fight in junon, since he is weak against wind, be sure to have barret with w/machine gun or whatever ranged weapon u have at the time. cheers
@@LibraScope I can't believe I missed that. I didn't connect the two at all until you said that. I feel like a doofus, but then again I just learned something new about a game I have played for a few decades.
Not worth it I'll still KoTR Carry armor to death and even at 9999 HP having Chocobuckle do 2222 damage to abuse the 64x 7777 hits but without random encounters you'll never really master even 1 HP plus and lv 60 party members need at least 2 to 3 for 9999 HP 999 MP each against Carry armor.
@@veghesther3204 min maxing isn't what I worry about. I just find it funny to deal 9999 damage with the enemy skill as early as mythril cave. Yes, it is essentially worthless in most scenarios but it has the memes
I'm pretty sure very briefly I mentioned selling stuff once or twice? Maybe I didn't. Regardless it's totally allowed per the rules in the video, though if someone wanted a harder challenge they could disallow it. It's up to them. That being said, selling stuff isn't SUPER viable either way, until you've already passed the point where you'll have enough money to make do. If you think about it, you're not getting random battle drops to sell, you don't have the money to buy a full party's worth of equipment at each town to later sell, etc. And as such, you don't have much to sell that's worth Gil, but useless to your party. It's the type of thing that in the first half of the run could probably get you a Gold Saucer ticket in a pinch, and if you sold EVERYTHING outside of your current equipment and such, you could probably grab an HP Plus Materia once initially arriving at Cosmo Canyon. But it's not far beyond that where you can do Wutai and beat Godo for a healthy payout anyway.
@LibraScope I have a bad habit of commenting as soon as I think of it. It was inregards to early game where you said it would end your run. Finished the whole video now. You def did.
Correction: Leviathan is NOT in Wutai. The people of Wutai worship Leviathan, and there's a treasure cave there where you need the Leviathan Scale, but the Leviathan Summon materia is in the Junon submarine harbor. Right before the submarine minigame. It's one if the few materia in the game that's completely missable.
Not quite. I did indeed make a mistake, so good catch! But you get the Leviathan Scale in Junon's submarine harbor, and the Materia you get in the treasure cave is Steal as Well. You actually get Leviathan from beating Godo in the tower challenge. I have also heard over the years that no summon materia is completely missable, because you can dig them up in Bone Village. Though I've never needed to try, so I can't confirm :)
@@LibraScope I stand corrected. Could have sworn it was the other way around, but I just googled it and you're right. Also I'm pretty sure Alexander is missable. I don't think you can get back to the great glacier after the north crater fiasco. At least not without a chocobo to get past the village. I could be wrong.
Should have gotten HP Plus from Rufus in Junon, the 2nd Enemy Skill materia from the Intermediate Hall and bought the Force Stealer from Mt. Corel, if necessary. Force Stealer is alright, but the Demon’s Gate boss would have been WAY easier with Aerith having more HP. In that case, since Fury with Aerith basically gives free group heals for the first half of the game, it’s more valuable than the alternative strat. The math is NOT straightforward, like you made it out to be. Sadness makes you grow your limit bar slower… but this equation ALSO factors in damage taken, which is similarly reduced. Aerith will basically ALWAYS die against tougher enemies if she’s in Sadness. By contrast, Fury doesn’t incur extra damage, but DOES grant additional limit generation. Dying more often is terrible, but being in Sadness will cut your damage almost in half… but it will also lock you out of some potentially useful stronger limits. Most characters can’t reach the higher levels under these constraints, but some CAN reach them, and it’s entirely based on how often you use the limits. The boss in the cave of the GI can be killed with Phoenix Down as well, which is an altogether different proposition than spending an X potion. I didn’t see you do it in the video, but Cure Materia is super effective against the ghosts, as long as you cast it against your enemies. Every time you fight Reno and/or Rude, you can steal Touph Rings and Zeidrichs. If I had anything else to say about the strats in this video, I’d wonder about the “Joke” weapons for a run like this. You’re gonna find a lot of them, and since you aren’t able to afford a ton of materia or master half as many as that, you could put some major work in. It isn’t useful for long but it could be worth checking out.
Some of that is fair, like getting HP Plus instead of Force Stealer, absolutely. But some of it also doesn't hold water here. For example, when we're fighting so few enemies, it doesn't matter if you have Fury on and get your Limits regularly or not. You will still ultimately be stopped at the next set of Limits until you can defeat enough enemies. Across this entire challenge (at least the way I did it, where I didn't abuse infinitely spawning non-random fights), there are approximately 40-ish bosses, and then maybe another 40-50 standard enemies you can fight (maybe around 70 if you could get all the way through the mandatory Battle Square at the end of Disc 1). And some of those fights require you to use a specific party member, like the fights in the Wutai tower being Yuffie-only, first fight with Shinra soldiers or the ones before you jump onto the top of the train being Cloud-only, or conversely not being able to use Cloud in any of the fights through most of Disc 2. While you can usually skip to the next tier of Limits by killing enough enemies before using enough of the previous Limit, you cannot do the reverse. What this effectively means, is that most characters literally cannot (or at least effectively cannot) even access Limit Level 2, because there aren't enough enemies to defeat along the way. Cloud for example needs to kill 120 enemies to access Blade Beam. And while Red only needs 72 to gain Blood Fang, he also misses basically every fight through Midgar, cutting the number of kills he has access to even further. And ALL of this is running under the assumption that you make sure a SINGLE character gets basically every available kill along the way. So while it is definitely possible to get certain characters to Limit Level 2 (but pretty much only one per playthrough), it's going to be extraordinarily tedious, and I'm pretty confident there aren't any that could get to Limit Level 3. Even getting Yuffie as early as possible still requires 128 kills with just her, to get to Level 3. And Vincent almost assuredly won't have 96 available kills left, by the time you get him. You end up only really being able to get his Level 2 and Cait Sith's Level 2 without putting in any substantial effort here. And even getting both of those in one run will be kinda tight. Similarly, while Phoenix Down work on Gi Nattak, it's only a 1/4th chance, which isn't worth the risk of wasting so many on such a tight Gil budget to me, and I didn't really wanna use save scum strats personally. It would work of course, but the cost is going to vary wildly. Enemy Skill doesn't afford the player much here either. Yes, having an extra person to cast Aqua Lung, Trine, or Beta (had I cared to grab it), would've been nice (I did grab every Enemy Skill out of habit, by the way... I just didn't choose to use my limited Materia slots on more than one :P ). But you're severely limited in which skills you can grab, because you can't fight most of the enemies who hold enemy skills. Only the Disc 2 and later fights with Reno/Rude have that equipment. The early fights all have no steals. And I did (and always do) get all of their steals that are available, hence mentioning it in the video. I basically always get every boss steal. The joke weapons might be useful. I use them in normal runs for sure; at least the Rocket Punch and Nail Bat anyway, because their stats are so high for when they're obtained. But, I think your stats are going to be low enough until the second half of the second disc (when bosses start dropping a wealth of EXP, and you can do optional fights like Ultima or the Gelnika Turks fight), that the boost to physical damage won't amount to much. We're talking about doing like 120 damage with physical attacks with Cloud, to bosses at the end of the first disc and such, in the back row. If you did what someone else suggested and sold a bunch of stuff for a few HP Plus Materia in Cosmo Canyon (as well as your suggestion with the Junon HP Plus), you might be able to avoid the back row and boost that damage. But it still isn't likely to be substantial enough to matter too much. And it definitely won't beat out things like Poison ticks. Still, you're right that there may very well be some strategy I'm not thinking of, that could use the joke weapons really well :)
You do whatever challenge you want but Yuffie is a random encounter full stop. Yeah you can get her first try but that’s not a 100% encounter it’s not forced it’s a random battle
I really do think that's up to interpretation, and I disagree. Firstly, there are plenty of other battles that aren't forced, but aren't random either. Similar to all of them, it's a battle that I have to choose to engage in, by meeting certain criteria. The criteria is simply different, since it's not related to opening a chest, or entering a specific screen, or being seen when I'm supposed to be sneaking or whatever. But it's still one I choose to engage in by meeting those very specific criteria. The benefits related to after-battle spoils are also intentionally miniscule. It CAN also be guaranteed by save scumming. But most importantly, in the Rocket Town forest, the chances that she'll spawn are 255/256, which means she's got a 99.61% chance of showing up. Meaning, while it's TECHNICALLY possible you could get a different fight first, you're likely to encounter her roughly 255 times or more, before you encounter anything else. Those odds are high enough for me to feel like it's not random, even though it uses the random battle system to engage with it. You're free to continue to disagree of course :)
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Hopefully this is something fun that everyone can enjoy for the 25th Anniversary of Final Fantasy VII! Tell me what other types of challenges you think might make for an interesting video!
Added Effect>Transform completely stops the giant spiders from effective because they're susceptible to both mini and toad.
When I do that, I kinda miss the Sting bomb, though, I admit.
My favorite "challenge" run is and always will be the enemy skill only challenge. It's not at all hard, but it's so much fun.
Ooooh, that's really interesting! I've never thought of that actually.
@@LibraScopefuture video idea?
@@velvetbutterfly It would depend on how enjoyable it might be as a video. I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of the idea of doing challenges for the same games I've already done one on. But I won't say never, per-se :)
@@LibraScopeplenty of people make exceptions for their favourite games/series, I don't think people would complain if you did it some point down the line, just don't oversaturate the same game
@@velvetbutterfly Right. But what I'm saying is that I don't know if I'd want to. A video also has to be interesting to me, or it's a real chore to make, since they can sometimes be hundreds of hours of work. I'm already not really a challenge run channel (even though YT really wants me to be, lol), so I don't do the videos that often to begin with. So I want every one of them I make to be something I loved making :)
I just stumbled upon this video after watching some other FF7 challenge runs. Man, hearing, "the idea is a challenge that can be fun for everyone to try," is so refreshingly wholesome. Instant sub.
:D I'm glad that's appreciated! Unfortunately, it DOES mean it's rather difficult to come up with new ideas for challenges. But rest assured that I'll do them when I think of them, and the goal will always be to find stuff that's fun rather than simply difficult :)
Looks like a fun challenge but I'd probably take the Tifa Powersoul critical health speedrunner choice to deal massive damage. Would be interesting to see if you can do some of this with only 2 party members alive!
My Run:
No Yuffie
No Vincent
No Optional Encounters
No Wutai
No Ultimate weapons
No Knights of the round
Lvl 1 limit breaks
Steal the good attack items
Face Sephiroth at Lvl 40
It’s more fun when he’s still a threat
Haven't even finished the video, and I'm already extremely invested. I love your videos!
:D :D :D Thanks! Glad you're enjoying it! I hope you continue to enjoy it from here :D
Been bringing your content then saw your views/subs and was even more amazed by the quality of the video's good job.
Haha, thanks! Yeah, I've been doing this for... a while now, lololol. Glad you're enjoying the channel!
I've played this game continuously since it launched, and watched a TON of content on 7, and I never knew that Ultimate Weapon's steals switch when in the air. Thats why I still look for videos on RUclips. Great video, man. This is a pretty fun, but attainable challenge.
Yeah, it's definitely an interesting quirk. And for me, a satisfying one since they can both be decently useful items in certain circumstances. Even the Curse Ring from the story fight can be.
Glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching!
Re-G-En
Dude.
What does Regen stand for?
I can't with the zoomer level of reading comprehension, it's...
Awwwwe, does it bother you that I say the name of a fictional piece of magic differently? I'm so sorry. Should I get you a tissue? Just wait until you hear how I say Hydrocity Zone.
Honestly, go 'zoomer' complain somewhere else, bruh. Thanks for the engagement though ;)
As a kid I was too impatient to catch a chocobo so I'd touch the closest corner of the marsh to get the zoom to come after me and once it did I'd try to run across once I got a good pattern from it. Took forever to do but I got to where I could run straight across without fighting it most of the time. Never finished it back then but when I bought the remaster I tried again and realized why I never finished the game doing stuff like that.
I fell like I actually did that once as well, because for a while, I was just terrible at using Greens well enough to catch chocobos :D
I tried this challenge as a kid, but I couldn’t get past Demon Wall
Granted I wasn’t doing a challenge run, I just couldn’t be bothered with all the fights lol
Definitely a challenging one for sure!
This is a good challenge, and probably one of the more approachable ones for people wanting to get into challenge runs.
Thanks! That's exactly the type of role I was hoping it could fill.
I actually did a No Encounters challenge run on FF7 last month and it’s definitely not too difficult but does require forward thinking and decision making around what materia and equipment you need well in advance of quite a few boss battles. Such as picking up elemental materia to pair with Lightning materia for materia keeper or picking up the Destruct materia from Sephiroth in Nibelheim for ironically dispelling Sephiroth Wall spell in the final battle.
This challenge is super fun and gets you coming up with strategies and materia combinations you wouldn’t normally use. Sephiroth is a pretty easy final boss as well so the final battle is not too bad even at a low level.
Useful materias in this run are Restore (levelled up to Regen), Elemental, All, Added Effect, Time, Barrier (levelled up to MBarrier), Destruct (for the final battle), Double Cut, Long Range, Enemy Skill (for Trine, Aqua Lung, Shadow Flare and Beta), the 3 bahamuts and Comet for good damage, also Fire, Ice, Lightning for the early game and pairing with elemental materia on armour. Also characters like Barrett who attack with full damage from the back row are good.
that was a pretty nice and well done challenge, but i have some tips that maybe make it a bit easier:1. you can either get beta for the enemy skill materia that you already have, or, if youre lucky, just run straight through the swamp and dont get the midgar zolom encounter 2.get between 60 and 90 points when you have to "dance" for rufus, and you get a hp plus materia, its not only way earlier but also the force stealer is wayy cheaper and you can buy it in corel, and there is only the 1 bird fight and jenova between getting hp plus/force stealer and corel.3. wait with the last wutai fight until you have atleast 3 enemy skill materia, to learn trine from him, so all 3 characters can use it.(im playing ff7 again atm. on ps4 and the back row is really useful, i never put anyone there, and the 2 eyes in the ancient temple gave even me, who was lvl 35 with 3 hp plus etc. some trouble, theyre worse than the disc 2 enemies in junon) 4. you can also get a weapon for cid, vincent and a megaelixier in bone village at that point
All good points! I thought about going for Beta, but it felt like too much trouble to be worth it for me personally. And honestly, I just completely forgot about the HP Plus Materia offered in the minigame for impressing Rufus. Definitely a better reward.
The FREE Force stealer SUCKS its buyable shorty AFTER you get the more USEFUL HP plus materia for free besides on this version I'll still keep the 3x speed and INFINITE HP cheat on for a no encounters run for the entire game.
For the Rapps fight, just use barrets limit break, "mindblow" it'll make Rapps unable to cast aero 3
Rapps could have been made much easier by using Barett’s Mindblow Limit to greatly reduce its MP at the beginning of the fight so you don’t have to eat many Aero3s. Also pretty sure they sell Bio2 attack items somewhere.
Totally fair suggestions. Unfortunately, they're ones I did try. I looked up where to get Bio consumable items, and there aren't any places to buy them; only Morph/drop/Steal.
And while Mindblow should've worked, since it's Gravity-based and Rapps isn't resistant or immune to Gravity, it took 0MP when I did it. Maybe there's another factor that I don't understand with Mindblow though, since it's a Limit that I never use, so I'm unfamiliar with its intricacies.
@@LibraScope I've never seen Mindblow do 0mp at the start of the battle
@@sephy26946 As I said, I don't really use it, so I might not fully understand it. But most times I use it it either takes no MP, or so little that I don't find it worth it.
@@tasselhoff1293 Sorry, RUclips never notified me about this comment. Yoshiyuki is a really risky option, since to get the most out of it, the other party members need to be KO'd, which would mean I'm basically always one Aero away from a Game Over.
Also, can't steal Adaman Bangles if I can't do random battles :P
@@LibraScope I admit I've never tackled that boss without having Barret ready to use it and doing it immediately so maybe there is some weirdness to it
The sthsth had me dying. Thank you.
Hahaha, glad it could provide some enjoyment and laughter :)
I want to see a No exp challenge run for this game.
I could be wrong, but I think Primalliquid has probably done that? GarlandTheGreat almost certainly has a challenge that includes no EXP in it as well :)
An evolution of this challenge that might be interesting would be to use gameshark codes or cheat engine to prevent all experience gains. You'd be allowed to fight random battles and power up your materia, but at level 3 or so maybe the final crater would be a challenge? I would also ban the use of overpowered stuff like KotR or the W-Item glitch.
This is something that SHOULD be possible, given the low levels speedruns reach the end at, and the HP/MP Conversion runs people do. I've also seen people do Emerald Weapon with just Cloud, at the starting level of 6, no KotR and such. I'm not entirely sure how that or the HP/MP conversion runs are accomplished, but somehow they get it so that they take extremely low damage. I think 4-8 Productions one time even did an HP/MP conversion run where he never refilled his MP. So you can definitely push the game far harder than I did, successfully :D
Alt title: Milestone vs XP level ups
(TTRPG joke for the curious)
I had no idea you could go and rest during the wutai bosses... I always assumed you were stuck in that building till it was done omg I've been making those fights significantly harder than I've needed too...
Hahaha, I think it took me a while to realize it as well :D
Eyyyy, been doing the same challenge here!
Currently just got out of Midgar!
I hope you end up enjoying it! It can certainly be a really rewarding challenge :D
So *THAT'S* where Omori got the "Sadness increases your defense" idea! XD
I did this challenge with random encounters off and no items a couple months ago. That was really hard but man was it fun! Really makes you think who to use in battle and what materia/armor to equip cause each fight is different.
no random encounters is a crazy challenge to undertake
Bruh. I've beaten this game more times than I can count, and I never knew about the long range materia. I've never even heard of it.
I'm sure you've obtained it a bunch of times then. But it's definitely one of those Materia that - in a normal playthrough - has no necessary utility. It always has use, but you rarely need to put party members in the back row usually. And as such, it seems useless, particularly since it doesn't pair with anything in any way. I didn't really use it for the longest time either; outta sight, outta mind.
Love the concept!
You can clear the marsh land without encountering the Midgar Zolom. A bit of timing required but it should avoid the save and load sequence.
What was with aerith's pronunciation lol love this vid right at corneo aps bit I think im going to enjoy your channel! I like your cadence.
Sorry, lol. I just thought it was funny, since when doing the challenge, I didn't know whether to keep her name Aeris, or change it to Aerith. So I combine them into Aeristh instead, and decided to reflect that in my script :D I knew I'd only really need to say her name through the first disc, so I figured it'd be a silly way to spice up the delivery.
I'm glad you're enjoying it so far, and I hope you do indeed end up enjoying the channel as a whole!
Most likely not especially with older rpg titles, the only way to get stronger, more powerful, get new magic powers, skills etc. was to engage enemies and defeat them
;)
I bet an interesting challenge would be "minimum battles". If you turn random encounters off and do Guard Skip in Midgar (to skip Air Buster), Cosmo Canyon skip (to skip 2 stingers and the Gi tribe leader), and Midgar Skip (to skip Proud Clod), and then play the minigame at Fort Condor to skip that boss, I think the total required battles comes in just under 50. I haven't tallied up all the EXP from those battles but it'd be an interesting (and probably very hard) challenge.
Subbed. Glaf i found this page. Great content
Thanks for the sub! I hope you find some other things to enjoy on the channel!
Thank you for the Aerithsfthfs 😂😂😂❤❤ a tale as old as time.
:D :D :D
I love the idea, and instead of watching and seeing what you did, I'm gonna attempt to do this on my own and circle back and see what we did similar. :D
Ahh okay, sounds fun!
My first play though I had to restart the whole game at the death wall thing at temple of the ancients because my only save was right before it and I couldn’t beat it. I don’t know how this is possible.
I had a similar experience with my first playthrough, except I got stuck at the boss in Mount Nibel, then the wall in the Temple, and then finally at the boss before you take the submarine :D
Would have liked to know how possible the other weapons would be, if they are unquestionably impossible, or mostly impossible lol. I love challenges that take away the boring stat clash element in rpgs (love kh level one runs) and this is so up my alley, I'm almost tempted to buy this game again to have the option (only have the original). I'd be down for other vids like this. Maybe doing a no sphere grid run of FFX? It's been done before many times but I've heard its quite fun.
I thought about it. And defeating the other Weapons is always something I can go back to and try. There are absolutely going to be ways to take them down. The question is how you would limit the role luck plays, which is going to differ pretty vastly between Emerald and Ruby.
@@LibraScope I know with Ruby, you can paralyze him and cheese him fairly easily. Emerald is a whole different beast in himself, though
@@kurik_yt Thinking about it, yeah if I could take Ruby down through cheese, Emerald basically becomes automatic, since Ruby will get you access to a Gold Chocobo, which means you can grab Knights of the Round, which would mean the standard Mime/HP Absorb/KotR combo would be available.
Technically, you can do the reverse too, since beating Emerald would grant Master Summon. But that seems like the harder option by far.
That's still useless I had to KoTR Ruby weapon to death even at lv 60 with 9999 HP 999 MP party members.
I was sitting here like "man is he gonna do this aeristhsthsth thing for the whole video" but no I guess there is a definitive end point isn't there.
Yeah, lol. I wasn't sure where to dial it back, but I figured it should probably be earlier rather than later. Hopefully it wasn't too much :D
Big fan of Aeristh here xD
:D :D :D
Loved the video, with all the explanations, the fact that you want to share what you learned, and of course Aerithsthsthstzsh.
Hahaha, glad you enjoyed it so much!
would "losing" condor so you can fight and get the paltry fight rewards violate your rules?
Doing so once, technically no. I did that very thing in fact, at the point where finishing Fort Condor was necessary to progress.
Aeristh is my new head cannon name for her
:D :D :D
I'm working on Solo Cloud No Experience (using a gameshark code). It's tough, but doable I think!
Ooooh wow, sounds awesome!
Umm the title asks if one can beat ff7 without random encounters… You answer the question early and that makes it “clickbait”…?
I don’t know about others but I generally expect if a question is put to me in a video title, I feel that question SHOULD be answered at some point anyhow.
Though usually in videos like this, it’s at videos end the answer is given lol- but who cares at what point it’s given?
Very interesting video concept.
7, 8, & 9… Lol the main FinalFantasy games I have indulging in lol 😂
Played some of Final fantasy 3 of RECENT 2-3 years and played what I think is Final Fantasy 4…. With the character Cicil.. And beat it easily… Game is maybe too easy BUT fun & depressing story- first time around anyhow, as I knew not what would happen later 😅
Major part of the fun FIRST time around!!
A small but not insignificant amount of people still ended up getting upset at me for 'spoiling' that the run can be done that early. I guess I overestimated how easy people realize this game is :D
Sounds like you're having fun with the series yourself!
Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and I appreciate that you took the time to watch it!
@@LibraScope I hardly think that can count as a spoiler… Well, not one worthy of getting upset about. Actually, kind of nice knowing ahead of time then seeing so much of the video and if the answer is/ was “no” finding out after spending SO much of your day waiting to see- if you know upfront IF it’s going to be a fail, one can watch without that *possible* (depending on the person) nasty feeling of “time being wasted”…
As one might be expecting the RUclipsr pulled it off; as RUclipsrs like yourself pull this challenge stuff you make videos I’d say in about 99.49 percent of the time in posted videos. Rare to encounter an epic fail at some challenge a expert tries.
Cause experts tend to fail at failing, til they expect too much out of their own abilities lol 😝
But even a failed attempt is 100 and ten % worth showing as it shows the limits of how far you can push it when trying to challenge yourself- but I feel it’s possible that some would get upset over someone showing a failed challenge, as everyone is different and it takes all kinds lol
Btw being careful not to spoil anything about the video via my comment here lol. Takes all kinds…
Is that parsle tongue, I detect? Lol
Ah, I see you went for a non-Powersoul strategy, brave. Also, if you hoard ethers and accessories until Cosmo Canyon, you can sell them and have enough Gil for 3 HP Plus materia, more Phoenix Downs and Tranquillizers, and enough for your next Gold Saucer trip. (I speedrun this on 3x speed, my record is 5hrs 11mins)
Nice! And good point actually about selling stuff for HP Plus :D
Any good uses for the reflect rings? I try to get them though it is annoying chasing Ultima...
But yes, there really are some hard-hitting bosses, I noticed on casual replays, like rapps, demon wall, lost number... though it is true as a kid, all I remember is pressing X...
I'll be honest and say that I've never really used Reflect much at all in VII (or most of the games in the series, really), because of the inconsistency. Sometimes things that you'd assume are spells or that do magic damage are 'special attacks' that can't be reflected. A lot of the time the enemy using a spell absorbs that element, so reflecting it just heals them. Most of the games give reflected spells a damage bonus, so having Reflect on someone and then casting a spell on them yourself could be beneficial. It works well in some of the other games. But off the top of my head, I can't think of any place where Reflect would offer a transformatively effective or interesting strategy. And Reflect Rings are obtained so late that even in a challenge run like this, they're basically completely unnecessary. They could maybe offer some use against Ruby or Emerald, potentially. But I'm not sure.
@@LibraScope Ruby does have that Ultima, but then it's ultima and it may bypass Reflect. Also, the Dark Dragon has Ultima. I was thinking maybe at least Magic Breath from Parasites in the Northern Crater could reflect? Though I forget if they actually use that by themselves or if you only Manipulate them to use it. Can Lvl 4 Death from the Gargoyles reflect? Maybe Shadow Flare? Ruby uses that sometimes, as well as the Dragon Zombie.
@@erikofskullisland3987 I'm pretty sure Ultima is a spell that can't be reflected, but Shadow Flare can be. I don't think Lvl 4 Death is considered a spell, so that probably can't be.
I tried this challenge recently and I made it as far as demon wall
Ahh, yeah. Definitely a difficult bit for sure. If you decide to go back to it, I hope you can get past it next time!
So basically a glitchless speedrun, since that doesn't deal with random encounters to save time
I suppose that could be the case. I haven't seen a glitchless FFVII speedrun in years, but last time I did, they still couldn't get rid of some random encounters on larger screens. They also don't have reason or opportunity to explore a lot of side content or alternative strategies that could be helpful. I feel like the lower stress environment of not trying to go as fast as possible, makes this experience stand out from the speedrun either way. Not as a better experience; just a different one.
I just bought a switch oled just so i could play 7, 8 and 9. I had the originals as a child and never fully understood them being so much to keep up with and of course i was a kid.
Such a great time im having on 7. Hope 8 and 9 are as enjoyable as i remember.
Cheers dude!
@@TheKylebreezy Thanks! I hope you end up enjoying them. 8 is rough but creative. And 9 is still charming as heck.
@@LibraScope I think I will! I didn't understand the junction system in 8. I do remember 9 being such a charm.
Thanks for the video
@@LibraScope you think 1-6 is worth a try as well?
@@TheKylebreezy I've heard a lot of iffy things about the recent ports, and I don't know if they've been fixed.
Most people would argue 4, 5, and 6 are worth playing at least. But for me personally, I really only like going back to 5.
I've tried for YEARS and never was able to get that landing glitch for Quadra Magic to work. I had to bred chocobos and get it the hard way. What's the secret?
Honestly, I'm not really sure. It's something I was going to try a few times, and if I didn't get it I was gonna move on. Because I've also had a harder time with it on modern ports.
It seems like it might just be pixel perfect, so the best advice I can give, is to get it so that the left side of the Highwind's shadow is just touching the cliffside, and then when you land, hold Square to activate the ship's strafing mode, and push it left so that the middle of the shadow JUST passes the cliffside. At least based on when I did it for this video, it looks like the goal is to get the ship to initially touch the top of the cliffside, and then since there's not enough room to land there, it pushes itself down to the bottom. That's the best advice I have.
I'm playing the steam version, how do I turn off the random encounters?
As far as I can find, you can't do so without mods, surprisingly. Modding Final Fantasy VII is actually really easy using the 7th Heaven mod manager though. It basically does everything for you.
You could ALSO maybe try using a controller, if you aren't already. All of the forums I could find about this topic seemed to be playing with keyboard and mouse. But the feature MIGHT exist in the same way as the console ports with a controller connected, which would be clicking L3+R3 at the same time.
@@LibraScope I downloaded 7th Heaven and I made it. Thank you very much!
@@batross5791 Ahh, coolarooney. I hope you enjoy playing around with random encounters being off! And anything else you try in 7th Heaven. New Threat Mod is definitely worth a look.
@@LibraScope Yup, it's the first time I play FF7, so I want to enjoy the game in the most similar way to the original, but without random encounters which are a waste of time for me.
@@batross5791 Ahh, okay that's understandable. I hope you end up enjoying the game in it's original for then!
I'm trying this now, but with a modification: I start each battle with full HP, MP and limit gauge.
If you do random encounters, you'd have money for restorative potions. And you could use random battles to build your limit gauge before every boss. Thus, I rationalize, it's not really cheating. Right? it's not, right?
However you choose to do it isn't cheating, because you're free to modify the rules in whatever ways make it fun for you :)
I'm kind of doing a challenge run with my channel. I'm not going out of my way to farm experience and essentially fighting every single fight from A to B. I'm about 2 maybe 3 hours in and I'm already at the shinra building to save Aries. And I'm only level 12 to 13 with Cloud, Tifa, Barrett. Plan on giving each character a job to be and sticking to it. Going to redo FF8 afterwards and see what fun can be had there. Great vid! Keep it up!
The job bit sounds particularly interesting and fun. I hope you enjoy it! And thanks for watching!
The only issue with something like this is you miss some fantastically weird bad guys. From Gamefaqs guides, a hundred times more effort went into most of the random encounters than you'll ever notice during gameplay (partly due to glitched AI). For example the Zolokalter enemy can actually work with your party as it attacks anything under Poison status, so if you poison other enemies he attacks them! And there are missing enemy abilities, dummied abilities etc.
Very true!
You can easily make it across the marsh if you wait until the Zolom is in the farthest left hand corner (East-most area on the world map)
This is true, but for me it's always been kinda inconsistent.
You got me pumped to do it so I’m at the end game. All that’s left is Emerald and Ruby. Currently trying to beat Ruby!! I’m doing 7000 damage before I have to throw another dazer at him (I stole a dazer from the mushroom caps and ran from battle, beforehand). I’ve gotten him down 3/4 of the way before I inevitably mess up and he throws a whirlwind at me :( I wish there was some way to raise my stats slightly just to do more damage. 8000 would be nice so I know it’s about 100 dazers to win. I’m using cloud tifa and red XIII since I leveled them the highest in my game.
@@franimal86 Oh wow! You're more brave than I was. While I of course knew Emerald and Ruby were possible, I wasn't sure I had the patience to figure out how to best them in such a challenge. I really hope you can though!
Thanks! I’m gonna collect the third ribbon from the battle square and try again. I’ll keep you updated.
@LibraScope I beat Ruby! I morphed a 3rd ribbon from ho-chu in battle square which was useful. Took 86 dazers to go down. I made sure to always have a person waiting on the dazer turn to not allow Ruby to gain any ATB. 6 rounds of attacks+dazers. Sadness the whole time. Start battle with everyone alive and let him kill 2 of your guys with swipe. Got the gold chocobo which means lots of loot! I morphed the guide book in battle square too, but I’m gonna take a break before I consider fighting Emerald. 200k more HP plus a hard limit on materia is gonna be rough.
you can use transform on the spiders in the gi cave to minimize mp usage there
i love how you say aeristhshtshthsth, i do the same thing when i talk about this game, got a smile out of me lol
Hahaha, that's good, because after I recorded it, I wasn't sure if it was annoying or not. But I didn't wanna redo like two hours of voiceover recording :D
One simple thing that makes Wutai easier is doing the Temple of the ancients first, because it has the no materia high attack weapons for everyone and for free. I don't know if it really makes it easier in this specific challenge, but going to Wutai immediately is sort of a noob trap for players that already beated the game.
That's fair. In a challenge like this specifically, I'm also not sure if Wutai's rewards would benefit the Temple more, or vice versa. It's an interesting question for sure.
@@LibraScopeprobably the gil is the most important thing from Wutai, because there's no direct item that you need for demon's gate.
@@kevin7242 Right. Agreed :)
@@LibraScopealso, great video! Concise, funny and informative!
If you don't know it, I recommend the new threat mod. It's the most balanced that I played in any game in general. It expands the gameplay, doesn't just buff enemies without sense.
@@kevin7242 Yup, I've played New Threat :) I mention it in my longform critique of FFVII.
And thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
For me 9 is number 1
7 is 1.5
And 4 (2 nes) is a close second
For limit breaks, you can get the next levels limits in any order. So if you focus on just kills, you can get the second level, and then the third levels limit break that needs kills. And then you can get all the limits you get by using limits. You don't actually have to go back and forth of using limits or getting kills to get your limit breaks.
Right, this is true. In a run like this, there just aren't going to be enough enemies to do that for a full party, if even a single party member. I didn't count exactly how many enemies you could defeat in a single run, and I should've. But unless you're taking advantage of every optional encounter you can, there's an extremely low amount. Even if you ARE, there's still a low amount. Then you factor in party configurations forcing people out of your party, and each party member has access to even fewer enemies to kill.
God, I wish I knew about that Midgar Zolom hack as a kid
Yeah, so useful :D
I never took advantage of the steal skill
There's usually never any need to, unless you know exactly what you're looking for. But there are a fair few decent things you can Steal in the game. It's not quite as lucrative as it is in games like FFIX though, simply because most bosses in VII don't have anything at all, and mobs usually don't have anything valuable. In games like IX though, most every boss has something worth stealing.
Balanced gameplay is FF7 New Threat 2.0
You have a really nice voice!
Hahaha, I think a lot of people would disagree, but thank you :D
That final boss isn't being particularly safe at all, really. He's actually behaving quite dangerously.
Danger Sephiroth.
Lol aeristh
22:22
Oh my God… he dabbed.
Hahahahahaha! It totally is a dab!!! That's amazing!
If you run across the mountain range in the forest where yuffie is, its basically gurrenteed she shiws up!
Right! Exactly :D
as a speed runner my first thought was "yeah of course, that's how speed runs work" then I thought about it. Runs to take *some* encounters to get e-skills and to duplicate sources, so without those 2 things I don't think the speed runs would work
Yeah, it's a question that I feel has a pretty obvious answer. And if it was exactly like the speedruns, I think I'd have just not made the video. But the combination of not having access to certain things speedrunners do, and also HAVING the ability to take some other things slowly because you're not speedrunning, gives it a relatively unique vibe I think :)
@@LibraScope was a pretty cool take on a category I watch a lot of. Keep it up :)
@@QuiniansBudgetCrafts Thanks!
just do this X3 speed and the enemies are a LOT stronger (PS4 only)
4,5,6,7, and 9 are my top ffs. Sorry 8 but squall was too emo and i already got cloud lmao
Heck yeah! Another fan of FFV :D Always nice to see.
Really enjoyed watching that cheers
Glad you enjoyed it!
u can for sure just look at speedruns no random enc they run from them all.
Thank you for this fun challenge!! Just finished it ☺️
Nice! Glad you enjoyed it!
Aeristh.
Indeed.
Fun video, thanks for the content you've got my subscription.
Glad you liked it! And thanks for watching, as well as the sub!
778th like, sorrynotsorry
Hahaha! It's legitimately taken me all day to figure out what your comment meant, because it never crossed my mind that the video would have SO MANY likes :D
Next stop is 7777 I guess!
The first encounter out of mideel, pretty sure is 100% chance in the forest around it of hte encounter or quite high. 2nd disk, after aeris' death.
Sorry, I don't quite understand 😅I'm assuming since you're talking about a forest, you mean encountering Yuffie?
Respect for pronouncing the regeneration spell regen with a hard G
A lot of people don't like it, lol. But even though I understand it's based on the word "regenerate", it's also the name of a made up magical spell that - as far as I know - has never been said by a voice actor in Final Fantasy history. There's no real precedent for how it SHOULD be pronounced. So as far as I'm concerned, anything that follows basic English language conventions is fair game for pronunciation, and so I'm choosing to continue to pronounce it the way I have since I was 10 years old :D
You GOTTA do ff4 and 8 stuff!
Even though I've played through all of the numbered titles, I have much less experience with the 2D era, since they just don't gel with me in the same way.
FFVIII though, all I'd have to do is find an interesting/engaging challenge, and I'd love to make a video on that!
A very sad run...
Indeed...
FF7 necrosis mod when
You know... part of me has wanted to try it.
Another part of me is absolutely terrified of it, lol.
@@LibraScope seems like a pretty good test for your ff7 skills, gives you a chance to really use what you know
@@m.c.i.d23 I'm sure I know the game well enough to do it. But I'm also not sure I have the patience for it from what I've seen, lol. Just the thought of how far I can get before early mistakes start coming back to haunt me is anxiety inducing :D
wild this has been going so long
another LibraScope W
:D :D :D Thanks!
Aeristh's lmao!!!
equip elemental+Choco/mog to barrets weapon for bottomswell fight in junon, since he is weak against wind, be sure to have barret with w/machine gun or whatever ranged weapon u have at the time. cheers
Good tip!
@@LibraScope this video has made me want to try this run. Looks really fun.
@@spokiee2000 I'd definitely say go for it! There seem to be quite a few ways to go about it, if the comments are anything to go by!
What's really creative with Rapps? Is there a pun I am missing or something?
No, that was sarcasm, because Corneo's sewer pet was Aps, and so the absolute genius decided to name his next pet... Rapps, lol.
@@LibraScope I can't believe I missed that. I didn't connect the two at all until you said that. I feel like a doofus, but then again I just learned something new about a game I have played for a few decades.
@@Suchega_Uber Hahaha, no worries. It was probably over a decade before I realized it myself :D
cant wait for some ai enhanced remake of this game, crisp 4k version
Depending on what exactly you're looking for, you can already kind of get that with mods to the PC version :)
I like to do this but with encounters turned on so I can flee to power up Chocobuckle
Ahh, interesting augmentation!
Not worth it I'll still KoTR Carry armor to death and even at 9999 HP having Chocobuckle do 2222 damage to abuse the 64x 7777 hits but without random encounters you'll never really master even 1 HP plus and lv 60 party members need at least 2 to 3 for 9999 HP 999 MP each against Carry armor.
@@veghesther3204 min maxing isn't what I worry about.
I just find it funny to deal 9999 damage with the enemy skill as early as mythril cave.
Yes, it is essentially worthless in most scenarios but it has the memes
My guy did no say Regen with the soft g 😢
I did indeed say it with a soft g ;)
I didn't see anywhere in the run that said you couldn't sell stuff. Did I miss that? If you needed money couldn't you just sell some random items?
I'm pretty sure very briefly I mentioned selling stuff once or twice? Maybe I didn't. Regardless it's totally allowed per the rules in the video, though if someone wanted a harder challenge they could disallow it. It's up to them.
That being said, selling stuff isn't SUPER viable either way, until you've already passed the point where you'll have enough money to make do. If you think about it, you're not getting random battle drops to sell, you don't have the money to buy a full party's worth of equipment at each town to later sell, etc. And as such, you don't have much to sell that's worth Gil, but useless to your party.
It's the type of thing that in the first half of the run could probably get you a Gold Saucer ticket in a pinch, and if you sold EVERYTHING outside of your current equipment and such, you could probably grab an HP Plus Materia once initially arriving at Cosmo Canyon. But it's not far beyond that where you can do Wutai and beat Godo for a healthy payout anyway.
@LibraScope I have a bad habit of commenting as soon as I think of it. It was inregards to early game where you said it would end your run. Finished the whole video now. You def did.
Correction:
Leviathan is NOT in Wutai.
The people of Wutai worship Leviathan, and there's a treasure cave there where you need the Leviathan Scale, but the Leviathan Summon materia is in the Junon submarine harbor. Right before the submarine minigame. It's one if the few materia in the game that's completely missable.
Not quite. I did indeed make a mistake, so good catch! But you get the Leviathan Scale in Junon's submarine harbor, and the Materia you get in the treasure cave is Steal as Well. You actually get Leviathan from beating Godo in the tower challenge.
I have also heard over the years that no summon materia is completely missable, because you can dig them up in Bone Village. Though I've never needed to try, so I can't confirm :)
@@LibraScope I stand corrected. Could have sworn it was the other way around, but I just googled it and you're right.
Also I'm pretty sure Alexander is missable. I don't think you can get back to the great glacier after the north crater fiasco. At least not without a chocobo to get past the village. I could be wrong.
@@ToniBingi You can. The snowboarding out of Icicle Inn is never disabled :)
@@LibraScope huh. You learn something new every day. 😁
AERITHSHSHSHSHTHTH
Exactly! :D
North crater being chill was pretty funny
Great video thanks mate
Thank you for watching!
@@LibraScoperecently found your channel keep it up 👍🏻 you come across likeable and knowledgeable 😁
@@elseabe6561 Hehehe, thanks! I hope you enjoy any future videos you choose to check out!
Should have gotten HP Plus from Rufus in Junon, the 2nd Enemy Skill materia from the Intermediate Hall and bought the Force Stealer from Mt. Corel, if necessary. Force Stealer is alright, but the Demon’s Gate boss would have been WAY easier with Aerith having more HP. In that case, since Fury with Aerith basically gives free group heals for the first half of the game, it’s more valuable than the alternative strat. The math is NOT straightforward, like you made it out to be.
Sadness makes you grow your limit bar slower… but this equation ALSO factors in damage taken, which is similarly reduced. Aerith will basically ALWAYS die against tougher enemies if she’s in Sadness. By contrast, Fury doesn’t incur extra damage, but DOES grant additional limit generation. Dying more often is terrible, but being in Sadness will cut your damage almost in half… but it will also lock you out of some potentially useful stronger limits. Most characters can’t reach the higher levels under these constraints, but some CAN reach them, and it’s entirely based on how often you use the limits.
The boss in the cave of the GI can be killed with Phoenix Down as well, which is an altogether different proposition than spending an X potion. I didn’t see you do it in the video, but Cure Materia is super effective against the ghosts, as long as you cast it against your enemies.
Every time you fight Reno and/or Rude, you can steal Touph Rings and Zeidrichs.
If I had anything else to say about the strats in this video, I’d wonder about the “Joke” weapons for a run like this. You’re gonna find a lot of them, and since you aren’t able to afford a ton of materia or master half as many as that, you could put some major work in. It isn’t useful for long but it could be worth checking out.
Some of that is fair, like getting HP Plus instead of Force Stealer, absolutely. But some of it also doesn't hold water here. For example, when we're fighting so few enemies, it doesn't matter if you have Fury on and get your Limits regularly or not. You will still ultimately be stopped at the next set of Limits until you can defeat enough enemies. Across this entire challenge (at least the way I did it, where I didn't abuse infinitely spawning non-random fights), there are approximately 40-ish bosses, and then maybe another 40-50 standard enemies you can fight (maybe around 70 if you could get all the way through the mandatory Battle Square at the end of Disc 1). And some of those fights require you to use a specific party member, like the fights in the Wutai tower being Yuffie-only, first fight with Shinra soldiers or the ones before you jump onto the top of the train being Cloud-only, or conversely not being able to use Cloud in any of the fights through most of Disc 2.
While you can usually skip to the next tier of Limits by killing enough enemies before using enough of the previous Limit, you cannot do the reverse. What this effectively means, is that most characters literally cannot (or at least effectively cannot) even access Limit Level 2, because there aren't enough enemies to defeat along the way. Cloud for example needs to kill 120 enemies to access Blade Beam. And while Red only needs 72 to gain Blood Fang, he also misses basically every fight through Midgar, cutting the number of kills he has access to even further. And ALL of this is running under the assumption that you make sure a SINGLE character gets basically every available kill along the way. So while it is definitely possible to get certain characters to Limit Level 2 (but pretty much only one per playthrough), it's going to be extraordinarily tedious, and I'm pretty confident there aren't any that could get to Limit Level 3. Even getting Yuffie as early as possible still requires 128 kills with just her, to get to Level 3. And Vincent almost assuredly won't have 96 available kills left, by the time you get him. You end up only really being able to get his Level 2 and Cait Sith's Level 2 without putting in any substantial effort here. And even getting both of those in one run will be kinda tight.
Similarly, while Phoenix Down work on Gi Nattak, it's only a 1/4th chance, which isn't worth the risk of wasting so many on such a tight Gil budget to me, and I didn't really wanna use save scum strats personally. It would work of course, but the cost is going to vary wildly.
Enemy Skill doesn't afford the player much here either. Yes, having an extra person to cast Aqua Lung, Trine, or Beta (had I cared to grab it), would've been nice (I did grab every Enemy Skill out of habit, by the way... I just didn't choose to use my limited Materia slots on more than one :P ). But you're severely limited in which skills you can grab, because you can't fight most of the enemies who hold enemy skills.
Only the Disc 2 and later fights with Reno/Rude have that equipment. The early fights all have no steals. And I did (and always do) get all of their steals that are available, hence mentioning it in the video. I basically always get every boss steal.
The joke weapons might be useful. I use them in normal runs for sure; at least the Rocket Punch and Nail Bat anyway, because their stats are so high for when they're obtained. But, I think your stats are going to be low enough until the second half of the second disc (when bosses start dropping a wealth of EXP, and you can do optional fights like Ultima or the Gelnika Turks fight), that the boost to physical damage won't amount to much. We're talking about doing like 120 damage with physical attacks with Cloud, to bosses at the end of the first disc and such, in the back row. If you did what someone else suggested and sold a bunch of stuff for a few HP Plus Materia in Cosmo Canyon (as well as your suggestion with the Junon HP Plus), you might be able to avoid the back row and boost that damage. But it still isn't likely to be substantial enough to matter too much. And it definitely won't beat out things like Poison ticks. Still, you're right that there may very well be some strategy I'm not thinking of, that could use the joke weapons really well :)
Ohh this is... maybe that i was looking for.
I hope it was indeed what you were looking for, lol.
Ah yes the reverse circlmastr run
Hahahahaha!
You do whatever challenge you want but Yuffie is a random encounter full stop. Yeah you can get her first try but that’s not a 100% encounter it’s not forced it’s a random battle
I really do think that's up to interpretation, and I disagree. Firstly, there are plenty of other battles that aren't forced, but aren't random either. Similar to all of them, it's a battle that I have to choose to engage in, by meeting certain criteria. The criteria is simply different, since it's not related to opening a chest, or entering a specific screen, or being seen when I'm supposed to be sneaking or whatever. But it's still one I choose to engage in by meeting those very specific criteria. The benefits related to after-battle spoils are also intentionally miniscule. It CAN also be guaranteed by save scumming.
But most importantly, in the Rocket Town forest, the chances that she'll spawn are 255/256, which means she's got a 99.61% chance of showing up. Meaning, while it's TECHNICALLY possible you could get a different fight first, you're likely to encounter her roughly 255 times or more, before you encounter anything else. Those odds are high enough for me to feel like it's not random, even though it uses the random battle system to engage with it. You're free to continue to disagree of course :)
Some of the pronunciation is killing me
Should I call a doctor?! :D Professor Hojo is super great at dealing with weird illnesses, or so I've heard. Don't worry, he'll take care of you.