Framing Part 2! Mass Ply Light Framing Walls Explained
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- Join Matt Risinger and Trent Debth from Timber BLDR as they take you through the progress of their Mass Ply Light project. In this video, they dive into the intricate process of lifting walls. From detailing the building blocks of the house to the precision of crane operations, they reveal the meticulous planning behind each step. With insights into structural integrity, exterior insulation, and sustainable practices, witness the fusion of traditional craftsmanship with contemporary engineering. Follow along for a captivating journey into the world of high-performance building, where every detail shapes the future of construction.
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I am a carpenter by trade...
The crane operators are the unsung heroes on the job.
After 36 years on the job, I'm still impressed 😁
Awesome to see a new version of a “perfect wall” assembly. Have you seen the University of Minnesota SPS system? Basically two layers of 1 1/8” osb large format panels without studs or columns. I think they have built a few habitat houses using that method already. I think we’ll be going towards both these routes for residential construction for energy eff., durability (moisture safety with insulation outboard) and speed of rough in in the coming decade, especially as exterior continuous becomes code most places.
This is basically modern timber framing.
You overlook the monocoque aspect. Those walls aren't just fill between timbers (or oriented strand equivalent). The walls themselves are structural members.
Can you explain the difference between LVL and plywood? The "LVL, not plywood" comment made me ask, because I thought they were essentially the same product. Thanks for putting out this valuable content.
Is it the grain direction?
one is dimensional "lumber" the other is a sheetgood. It's kind of confusing with Matt using the two interchangeably. Normally it would be LVL vs traditional lumber.
There are similarities with plywood when it comes to glue + wood + pressure but the specifics of all of these vary greatly between LVL and all the other flavors of it (LSL vs. LVL vs. PSL vs. Glulam etc).
@@timforgot Yes LVL laminations have parallel grain direction while plywood has cross-directional grain laminations.
Lmao the dog the owner
Needs the right PPE - Pup Protective Equipment.
Looking forward to see how this is all going to work out when the mechanicals come along. Maybe the walls at specific locations are all ready furred out.
I like the thumbnail with the osha violation.
Or the guy standing there caulking connection points with the wall panel hanging in the air RIGHT behind him. Or if something failed he's getting squashed
Whats the cost compared to a stick frame house and a timber frame
Any pictures of what the final home is supposed to look like?
I set tiltwalls and have for 35 years. I am super curious to see the end completion . I would prefer, if this is all exposed on the inside as it is shown today, I would prefer Timbers for the traditional looking Timber frame house with Timber Trusses.
Can you pm me the end cost per Sq foot .
Thank you for bringing us great innovative ideas
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Dod needs DPE dog protective equipment i.e. flouresent yellow vest. dog head gear constisting of hard top helmet with intregral gogles and ear protection, and lastly high grip kevlar dog boots. or DOSHA will fine and suspend work. Ray
Impressive that the panels are stiff enough to allow installing windows on the ground.
You can do that with pretty much any wall that you've applied sheathing to
Supprised the sheets arent pre cut. Or maybe I misunderstood his comment on measuring.
I have many questions.
Get that dog some PPP
All that ppe and walking under a suspended load, not only that but caulking directly under it. I am not a safety nazi but ppe doesn't help with 4500lbs.
Cool construction though.
I would be worried that the windows would flex and shatter
So if you submerge rock wool it won’t act like a sponge?
correct, theres actually some videos of people doing that
@@drysicle This is a very important point!
[In fact, water beads up and rolls off the surface of mineral wool. This promotes water draining and drying if the wall cavity becomes wet, rather than holding water like a sponge.]
- Mineral Wool Insulation Isn't Like Fiberglass (Google title)
The system looks like it would work well for [Hawaiian] single-wall construction, but it seems like the crane has to spend a lot of time on site due to the exterior wall fabrication time.
As currently shown though it looks more material intensive than 2x6 girts on 24" centers plus 5/8" OSB.
Is protection needed for the panels during construction?
The heavy crane necessity is a good point, albeit I'm sure the method is being progressed to the point of eliminating that. Some lift mechanism would still be needed, but the construction would have to be more modular.
If you like the smell of formaldehyde gasses, you're gonna love these walls!
Home built with glue and wood shavings! What’s not to love?! Until it gets slightly wet from any leak
You know concrete tilt wall construction WELL HOW ABOUT WOOD TILT WALL CONSTRUCTION 💥💣🧨🌋🤯
Five guys on the ground plus crane operator @95/hr.
I'm not a fan of this building method. It's basically 21st century balloon framing but it's worse because you are required to use a crane, man lift and other expensive to rent or own equipment.
...but less labor. For a business that is labor constrained that is a huge win.
You realize that “balloon” framing is just the old timer (1800’s) term for the lightweight framing method used today, right? They only referred to it as “balloon” framing because it was the first framing design to use light weight wood that had the walls support the floor members, thus creating an open spaced “balloon” inside, instead of thick heavy post and beam designs. The initial full length framing allowed open cavities that could allow fire spread, whereas later designs used platform framing to combat that, i.e. what we use most now. To an old timer though, any modern day framing is “balloon” framing.
If you’re trying to argue that this method of construction is like balloon framing because it has tall walls, that’s not really logical, because this example just happens to be a home with a modern, open floor plan design with a large open workshop. You could use this building style for any type of floor plan, i.e. shorter walls, platform floor building, exc.
I think we all agree that modern day balloon framing is more efficient than old post and beam, mortise and tenon construction, and this takes it one step further, using basically structurally engineered sheathing to support everything, with framing members where needed for additional strength.
So yes, it’s this is kind of like ballon framing in that it’s potentially using wood more efficiently, compared to previous iterations.
@jimyeats Most current residential construction in the USA is not balloon framing. It is platform framing. Balloon framing has the studs running continuously from the crawl space to the top of the second floor. With the second floor joist attached with ledger boards. There is a flow path for fire from the crawl space to the attic usually. And it required sourcing long studs.
Platform framing has each story framed individually. The first floor is built, walls build on top, second floor, and then second story walls. Shorter framing materials are used, and there is not a fire flow path.
Also, builders 150 years ago knew about fire flow path, and I have old framing books that recommended using fire blocks at each level. Just in practice, they were often skipped.
@@RyanMartin1 You didn’t closely read my initial response. It wasn’t called balloon framing because the studs ran continuously, it was called balloon framing because - whether it was continuous exterior studs, or platform framing - to them it was lightweight framing where the walls of the home are supporting the floor levels, regardless of platform vs continuous, making it look like a hollow balloon at each floor level.
Platform framing is just a more modern iteration of balloon framing in general, but even as platform framing style took over, old timers still referred to that as “balloon” framing.
Continuous studs just happened to be the first use of lightweight framing members that utilized the walls to support floor levels, that’s why it’s thought by people specifically as “balloon” framing, but it’s really any lightweight framing construction using the walls to support floor levels. If platform framing was developed first, old timers would have still referred to that as balloon framing.
Edit: And yes, I’m aware that generic websites like Wikipedia will say balloon framing is specifically only continuous studs, I’m just relaying the actual reason it was called balloon, and how to someone back in the day - who is used to using big heavy timbers - any framing such as what we use now is “balloon” framing.
@patrickkenny2077 all those guys standing around waiting on lifts doesn't look like less labor
I dont see an advantage to this over doing the same insualtion details on a post frame type building with brackets in the concrete
Two I can think of. #1 is I'm not sure you can hang much external insulation/rainscreen with OSB or regular ply sheathed on a post frame......though perhaps a screw will hold into the 2x6 girts enough vs. the 1.5'' ply here, and you could space the girts on the nailing schedule for the rockwool if its more than normal. #2 is you'd have to sheath with the posts and trusses up (just like in RR videos) rather than doing all the details on the ground and lifting the wall (more like awesome framers videos with stick framed rake walls), which I assume saves a lot of labor time especially for window/taping details.
@@greggoralogia7401 I watch the RR build videos, but I never thought about all the time they cut out loading material and slowly moving themselves up with a boom lift.
Doggy is not osha approved
*light kick on butt to shoo *
OK, I guess I'll have to sound like Karen...
Love the dog, but it seems unsafe to me to have it running around loose when you're doing something with the crane.
And I'd have that sill caulked before the wall arrived.
But maybe that's just me.
Glad you got a helmet for this episode instead of the hard hat. Matches your personality better. 😂
OSB vs Plywood IMO is like a chunk of shit vs a rock...
A dog? Really?
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