Brandon Green - How to Play Drums and Feel Great For The Rest of Your Life
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
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Chapters
0:00 - how Brandon became "the guy" for drum mechanics
5:25 - how does Brandon think playing drums differs from sitting at a desk
9:45 - how much range is there for choice within "optimal" setups
13:54 - "rapid fire" 1 - what's the optimal height for drums and cymbals?
16:55 - "rapid fire" 2 - cymbal height
20:59 - what Brandon thinks of Dr. Mike Isratel's critique of posture content
26:19 - what would you recommend to fix bad posture for someone like me?
31:31 - why fixing your mechanics isn't a "silver bullet" but a years-long process
34:11 - cancel me (again)
40:12 - what fitness regime does Brandon recommend?
46:30 - what about "physical therapy" style exercises? 
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Mid 50's drummer wannabe here; I'm just over 2 years into drumming, playing and practicing about 4 to 5 hours/day and am having a few back issues. I gotta go practice right now and only watched the first 5 minutes of this video BUT can't wait to watch the rest later. Super stoked, thanks for this!!!!
I totally agree! I have learned to have my kit setup as efficient as possible.
Super useful, Thank you both!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I have looked down at the floor when I’ve played as a means to focus for so long, I didn’t realize the impact it was having. This is Key wisdom, thank you 🙏🏻
That must be why I have such neck problems, I stare at the floor or the hi hat pedal and go in the zone, I’m wrecked!
I’m off to binge Terri Lyne Carrington videos, I knew she was on to something lol.
Now after playing drums for over 33 years & being almost 50 here, back surgery etc. I'm so glad to have discovered you all. It has been helping my plan for playing drums until I can't anymore. I just wish most of us had discovered so much more to this year's & years ago. But fortunately, every generation has those folks who shed all the right light onto things. All the best & I'll continue listening & learning. 🖤🖤🥁🥁🤘🤘👊🤘👊🥁🥁
This is incredible
Out of all the aspects of drumming, learning cool grooves, licks, balance, etc. , in my opinion this is the hardest thing to work on. Brandon had some great suggestions. I'd be interested to see what he has to say about my situation. I am about to turn 63. I have played drums for 45 years. Between the age 30 and 53 I was drumming at Walt Disney World, mostly playing tenor drums or stacked bass drums. My tenor set up had cowbells, tambourine and a remote hihat attached to the front of the setup. I played 7 shows a day, 5 days a week for many years. Of course I saw a chiropractor during this time. When I was first examined, the chiropractor told me my spine looked like the snake river canyon. Compound my playing drum set on top of the Disney drummingfor all those years with the Buddy Rich hunch over the kit, and my posture is a nightmare. My back doesn't really give me problems with pain at this time, but I know down the road there will be a day to pay the piper. I watch all my videos and I see the posture issues and I worry about my being too long in a bad habit that has physically effected my body where I won't be able to reverse it. Great interview. Thanks Nate and Brandon!
Thanks for this interview, it’s an important topic. Quite recently I did check my hi hat to floor tom angle, and small movements forward/in of them, and me moving back a tiny bit made a huge difference, as I close the angle by something like 30 degrees. I’ve also tried to, for the majority of the playing keep my elbows near my body, picked that up from “manual handling” training. Lastly, I’m going to get a mirror to practise against, just so I can check myself - I definitely do that leaning into the drums or practise pad when I’m learning new things.
would love to see you interview luke titus
Really interested in adding exercises in the gym specifically aimed at improving hand and foot speed on the drums. Where can I find this information?
just look at Brandon's youtube and instagram. I believe he just introduced a paywalled program for drummers if you're interested in going deeper. You can probably just DM him on instagram.
Totally unrelated: where from did he get his accent? Like in "about"?
He’s Canadian. That’s how they speak up there…
How does this guy just like not go to school so he can practice drums as a kid? Strange
I believe he could choose his classes within certain constraints, and chose to have no classes during the first period of the day, so he could practice. I did something similar.
thanks for posting this. confirmed my suspicion. so he was a personal trainer. its cool hes passionate, good talker and overall nice guy but lets understand the difference of passion and expertise. no formal background in biomechanics, physical therapy, exercise science, physics, etc. apparently "worked" with everyone and had many lessons but never got a degree. THIS is why he has stated many mistakes in his videos even if it may "sound" right to a layman. as someone who was a personal trainer and then actually studied kinesiology and exercise science and ended up going into physical therapy, hearing him trying to teach is so cringe. for example, his take on the vertebrae is absolutely WRONG. Your spinal segments are all different sizes and shapes starting from the cervical to your sacrum. Additionally, your spine isnt straight. Your back is curved and as such your load is not distributed as he said within each disc. This guy needs to seriously get some schooling in order to talk about the spine. Beyond that, all he says is a lot of nothing. How people think he's actually saying something of substance is beyond me. All his advice is the most basic ergonomic information that many could figure out by just focusing on your body in relation to space or its just taking from someone else's advice.
I'm surprised his recommended exercises, besides ant tib ones, were useless. You will not benefit from a single leg squat vs any leg exercise for the drums. come on dude. Why even ask him regarding rehab exercises? he has no idea what hes talking about lol. All those therapy exercises he said are all the same are scientifically proven to work and many of them work differently with dynamics, angles, and momentum. Hes again absolutely wrong, they make significant changes with peoples progress. They also do progressive overload but their focus is healing before strengthening or increasing performance.
Even the posture diagram he was talking about where he said someone said one was good and bad, etc. Brandon didn't learn many studies were done regarding that, which specifically showed the degree of strain per distance off alignment. As you said, your posture and patterns can be paramount to longevity, which is why people need correct information and evidence based information when teaching. Again, its to be mean but some people need to be called out.
why does he need to be "called out". Can you give me just one example of harmful advice he's given?
also, what's YOUR background, as it seems you're a very interested party
@@8020drummerI stated a few reason already in the above. so again, its not like giving drum advice or personal training advice. when you are calling yourself a guru or expert, you need the backing to do so. there's literally no credibility. he has NO formal background. that's like me as a PT, giving advice about back surgery because ive had so many of those patients, worked with many surgeons, sat in on there grand rounds and lessons. other than giving some advice on back exercises, it is out of my scope. if a neurosurgery medical assistant was teaching you about brain surgery, would you think it was valid? that they would have the background to do so, even if theyve worked with those patients.
i can't claim to be an expert because of that experience. in health and wellness, you need the backing. in something like drumming, working with a few of the greats could be enough to get good enough and teach drumming. it doesn't work that way with academia, of which he claims to have had his training from. just a lie which is why he cant tell you specifics and why he has no actual degrees. this is the internet dude, fake people need to be called out no matter how nice they are because its offensive to those who really did put in the time, have done research, or otherwise, and have the credibility to speak on topics. this is literally the reason why its estimated 70% of information online is wrong. so much misinformation from people who shouldn't be talking.
for your follow up question, i also mention my back ground. i also started out as a personal trainer, studied kinesiology and exercise science with a focus on sports medicine at the graduate level and then ended up getting a doctorate in physical therapy. so first you asked what harm can he cause? that's not the correct way of looking at it. the way he knocked therapy exercises was a good example though. something he has no idea about but is heavily research based. there's literally no credibility on things hes saying. to a layman, you can get away with it but to people in the field you cant. ive given examples throughout all my responses thus far.
@@MrChopsockey why are academic credentials necessary in physical therapy as opposed to drumming? I'll go ahead and answer what I presume would be your answer: the potential to do lasting harm. It's why chiropractors are so deadly, because they're peddling something with the patina of evidence-based science, which has nothing of the sort. Homeopathics as well. People can suffer lasting injury as a result of chiropractors. (As my dad did.) If you're connecting the dots, that's why I'm looking for a specific example of something analogous that you're asserting that Brandon's done, and 2 examples I can come up with from your comments are (1) his saying that a certain neck position will cause injury and you challenging that it will only cause injury if it's done *chronically* over a long period of time, and (2) Brandon seeming to downplay the relative importance of PT exercise (I believe he made an exception for injury rehab) relative to simple strength training. Before I ask whether the potential harm in those examples rises to anywhere near the same order of magnitude that a chiropractor or homeopathic doctor can inflict, a prelim question: is there any other "damning" example you've given that I've missed? to skip to the end, I'm basically asserting that in order to lean on academic credentials mattering (in the area in which you assert Brandon is missing them), you have to prove potential for harm. Otherwise, I don't see it as too different as calling yourself a drum teacher without a music degree. BTW I'm in NO way conceding that what you're asserting about Brandon's background is true...I'm just running a thought experiment within the rules you've set up.
@@8020drummer I appreciate the input and cordial response. so chiropractors are very unique and not the best example for argument's sake because even amongst those in the healthcare field, theyre felt not to be adequately trained for what they do. youre correct in that they do go to school and get a degree but as someone who has worked with them personally, they are not well trained. so ill give you some credit to that. in general though no one thinks chiros are good, other than their desperate patients looking for some glimmer of hope that they take advantage of. this is exactly why there is academia and accreditation is vital. you wouldn't compare a chiro to an MD would you? although some of what they treat can be similar. ofc both make mistakes but one is much less equipped to do so and will usually follow evidence based practice. sorry to hear about your dad. its unfortunate people still believe they are qualified as such. their vetting process for applying to school and then completing their programs are so low.
so first thing i should point out is that good qualifications are not based on harm done. its based on your training and schooling. there needs to be some sort of measure that shows someone is qualified to do something. generally speaking, that is acknowledged through academics. your performance as a practitioner or even as a specialty can be judged by harm. but again, they are trained to reduce harm even though bad things can still occur.so your question is what did he say thats harmful. thats not the question to ask as far as validity. ANY wrong information regarding health and wellness can be harmful, which is why you want to reduce that chance and maximize evidence based practice by providing correct information. i have a brother and a cousin, who are MDs. theres no such thing as a perfect profession, where there is absolutely no harm done. however, their actions are usually guided by licensing, regulation, vetting, testing, CME, etc to make sure they are practicing with the intent to harm the LEAST. Even Brandon, who may have an actual personal training degree stated he hurt his back, a slipped disc or something, he mentioned after dead lifting. Does it mean hes not a good trainer? Maybe or maybe not. One could argue maybe his form wasn't good enough or he progressively loaded too quickly. Regardless, thats probably his only real area of expertise and i'm sure hes somewhat knowledgeable about that. I also worked as a certified personal trainer and can tell you the schooling is a joke. Thats another story but again the argument of not saying harmful information is substantiating that is correct is not the way to approach it. and who knows, maybe someone could've been hurt with the wrong info. theres no way we would know anyway.
as far as the examples: not only were the consequences of neck positions were incorrectly described, its misleading because he saying a few generic things correctly, so in totality it may sound right. this is not how an expert or a professional provides health information to the public. btw im not setting any rules. having a formal background as an "expert" in any health and wellness format has always been held to a higher standard. I follow a lot of drummers on IG and i came across his page as well. i was intrigued and interested because i play the drums and also have a background in biomechanics. Thats why i previously said, even on his own IG, hes made several mistakes which was pointed out by others, which hes even acknowledged himself and sometimes edited which is good. However, it just shows he doesn't have the knowledge base. Hes got a good niche and chanel. If he really is that passionate and wants be the self proclaimed expert, prove it through schooling, that youre just as good or better than real experts. Thats all im saying. I wouldn't call myself an expert but I and others have even noticed mistakes. That says something, whether its harmful info or not.
Yes, even downplaying rehab exercises just shows ignorance. Just as he did when describing the back positions chart. In order to downplay any of that, a valid point needs to be argued against the current evidence which shows it to be favorable. He was literally speaking like any layman who randomly saw that chart and said straight position is better and leaning is bad. Your point with a music degree and just a random drummer is somewhat right. However, it again depends on the scope of what theyre teaching. Sorry for the long response.