Pedestrian Causes Death of Cyclist Through 'Hostile Gesticulation' | Auriol Grey Case Analysis

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  • @tripledair
    @tripledair 11 дней назад +2524

    As soon as I read the title I started speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this.

    • @five12man
      @five12man 11 дней назад +57

      Sometimes it be like that

    • @tripledair
      @tripledair 11 дней назад +35

      @@five12man Karens gotta Karen.

    • @mb5387
      @mb5387 11 дней назад +96

      Did you also not diagnose anybody?

    • @DearDextra
      @DearDextra 11 дней назад +116

      I appreciate that you are not diagnosing anybody here and only speculating.

    • @tripledair
      @tripledair 11 дней назад +41

      @@DearDextra only speculating

  • @tonyjeevar6565
    @tonyjeevar6565 11 дней назад +1024

    I know this woman. She came to our town one day and berated anyone who was walking and using their phones. She took it upon herself to police the sidewalks. It landed her in jail. I'll always remember her for screaming at me what a "little bastard" I was.

    • @organicvids
      @organicvids 11 дней назад

      Dain bramage she has.

    • @Tiglath-PileserXIX
      @Tiglath-PileserXIX 11 дней назад +123

      Obviouslhy, she had a lot of pent up hate.

    • @joyandrews3804
      @joyandrews3804 11 дней назад +93

      Yeah! I have to get out of the way of people looking at their phones. They aren’t watching where they are going. Then they look up and glare at you for daring to be on the sidewalk at the same time as them.

    • @cris-rj5zf
      @cris-rj5zf 11 дней назад +19

      Were you ?

    • @jimbonater
      @jimbonater 11 дней назад +28

      @@joyandrews3804 Nothing a stiff elbow wouldn't cure, when I see people walk across the street glued to their phone they don't realize so are the people driving cars.

  • @thomasrobinson182
    @thomasrobinson182 6 дней назад +95

    I don't ride a bike anymore. If you ride in the street, you battle vehicles, if you ride on sidewalks you deal with angry pedestrians. There's really no place for bikes anymore.

    • @fredmercury1314
      @fredmercury1314 5 дней назад +14

      To be fair, bicycles were an outdated mode of transport about 100 years ago. It's illegal to cycle on the pavement.

    • @APOStLEpaulie
      @APOStLEpaulie 5 дней назад +14

      How about, idk, bike paths???????

    • @samuraiskill7062
      @samuraiskill7062 5 дней назад +6

      Ever hear of a bike lane?

    • @Hawthorneheights888
      @Hawthorneheights888 4 дня назад +6

      They’re called ✨bike lanes✨ if you and the other cyclists care so much then petition the city, especially if you live in a city that wasn’t originally built for bicycle traffic. I’ve seen an accident caused by a cyclist who was on a curvy 45 mph road and a driver had to come to a screeching halt behind him. They really have no place in sidewalks, as they are full of strollers and pets and need to be clear for wheelchairs. This lady was dead wrong but the incident would have been prevented with a proper bike lane. The city is washing their hands of responsibility by charging a mentally ill person.

    • @reggie1847
      @reggie1847 4 дня назад +17

      @@Hawthorneheights888 You must live in fantasy, those Bike lanes are even more dangerous, Cars treat bikers just as bad as motorcycles.

  • @mikefinch4878
    @mikefinch4878 10 дней назад +80

    Notice how the pedestrian was walking in the middle of the "pavement" and making no attempt to share the sidewalk. To me, this showed an attitude of "owning" the whole of the sidewalk, and a clear intent that she was not about to give the cyclist room - and had every intention blocking her and/or forcing her into the street. Then, as the cyclist passed, she very clearly "assisted" her into traffic. There was plenty of room for both ladies, but no, this "entitled" pedestrian was going to make a point - with deadly consequences. Then, she fled the scene with wanton disregard for the injury she caused and then lied to police. She deserves a lot more than three years IMHO.

    • @rickytarkowski6564
      @rickytarkowski6564 3 дня назад +2

      Celia needed to slow down in this situation.

    • @shuheihisagi6689
      @shuheihisagi6689 3 дня назад

      Blaming the lobotimized handicapped lady lmao

    • @jjk2one
      @jjk2one 3 дня назад +3

      You stop your bike when in doubt

    • @SerginhoPMoura
      @SerginhoPMoura 2 дня назад +3

      ​​@@rickytarkowski6564clearly, but that does not change the clear intention of Auriol to cause harm.

    • @DrPwnStar
      @DrPwnStar 2 дня назад +1

      Doesn't matter! That makes her guilty of being an asshole, not a murderer!

  • @MikeC1
    @MikeC1 11 дней назад +359

    The one major point that to me appears mostly overlooked is she's lobotomized. Just because she can articulate morality doesn't mean she has the impulse control to adhere to it or the ability to predict the outcome of an action. In my opinion, her history of behavioral problems suggests she needs far more supervision than she receives.

    • @arkbien9303
      @arkbien9303 9 дней назад +33

      My family is friends with a family who has two sons that have under developed frontal lobes. They are great fellows but lack serious impulse control and need constant supervision.

    • @janethayes1728
      @janethayes1728 8 дней назад +19

      Agreed. She is not mentally capable of understanding the implications of her actions, and subsequent incidents reinforce this assumption.

    • @osier769
      @osier769 7 дней назад +28

      One thing that does seem for sure, she needs more supervision for the safety of all, including herself.

    • @TigerChic
      @TigerChic 7 дней назад +13

      Agree! I also think that she walks around in self defense mode because of the bullying. Not because she lacks empathy. People who have to live with that disability often develop that self defense mode because of being bullied at school or whatever. It’s really sad that people can’t see that their mentality is not the same as ours. 😞

    • @insaneconqueror5421
      @insaneconqueror5421 7 дней назад +9

      Sad, but the family of the victim would not agree.

  • @mariGentle
    @mariGentle 11 дней назад +969

    The elderly cyclist was a retired midwife, she spent her whole life helping people for it to end so awfully, so very sad ❤

    • @serasmiles2
      @serasmiles2 11 дней назад +55

      why does her job have anything to do with it. The peestrian was mobility impaired. The biker was on the sidewalk.

    • @australien6611
      @australien6611 11 дней назад +42

      In my view she had poor control over the bike and shouldn't have been riding it in the first place

    • @gavinjenkins899
      @gavinjenkins899 11 дней назад +46

      So it was a normally nice person who was illegally riding down a sidewalk being a menace in a road-only vehicle? Okay and? If I skydive into an electrical transformer, do I get to sue the power company as long as I opened an orphanage earlier in life?

    • @berniefynn6623
      @berniefynn6623 11 дней назад +30

      The cyclist CHOSE to be on the footpath, CHOSE to not look knowing it a busy road, she caused her own death, HOW does a WAVE BE CAUSE OF SOME ELSE DECISIONS?????????

    • @Kyanzes
      @Kyanzes 11 дней назад +44

      @@serasmiles2 minimal patience/tolerance was all that was needed. But that woman could not muster an iota tolerance. An evil woman. The fact that she left says all.

  • @livlong1686
    @livlong1686 10 дней назад +326

    The fact that she just walked off to go shopping. Doesn't sound like she had any remorse.

    • @bjmaston
      @bjmaston 9 дней назад +24

      SHE WAS LOBOTOMISED

    • @shamancredible8632
      @shamancredible8632 9 дней назад +6

      That's like saying someone should have remorse after swatting a fly

    • @redchief94
      @redchief94 8 дней назад +26

      What does that even mean? Are you calling the cyclist a fly? That's pretty dehumanizing.

    • @starboard9551
      @starboard9551 8 дней назад +7

      Remorse for what? Pointing with her finger? What's there to feel bad about the other person fell over all by themself.

    • @ArthurB26
      @ArthurB26 8 дней назад +25

      ​@@starboard9551 She reached her hand infront of the cyclist causing her swerve into traffic. Her irrational actions resulted in someone death.

  • @BigDog366
    @BigDog366 8 дней назад +34

    Those on here defending Auriol by saying 'it's illegal to ride on the pavement' may technically be correct. However, it's also illegal to protest in the middle of the road, but drivers can't just mow them down, can they?

    • @RoyalFlush7096
      @RoyalFlush7096 3 дня назад

      👍🏼👍🏼

    • @mrstatictunes
      @mrstatictunes День назад

      They can in Texas

    • @matthewgibbs6886
      @matthewgibbs6886 23 часа назад

      @@mrstatictunes and florida it encouraged

    • @eveapple4928
      @eveapple4928 Час назад

      That’s an interesting point. However the vulnerable road user definition within the highway code flexes with the mode of transport. So a person on foot only will always be the most vulnerable, then cyclists, horse riders, motorcyclists etc then car and other vehicle drivers. There’s a clear heirarchy of who must give way or give priority to who.
      Your protestors on the street always enjoy protection as inherently vulnerable road users, but in the Grey case, Grey was the vulnerable pedestrian to the cyclist who should not have been, for that very reason, travelling within the space of a pedestrian because of the risk of harm she could have done to people on foot. If Grey had stepped out into the road, she would have had automatic right of way over car drivers as a more vulnerable road user. Hope that makes sense.

  • @mikyl-fo8rh
    @mikyl-fo8rh 11 дней назад +201

    As an avid cyclist, whenever I feel uncertain about safety, I slow to a stop, for my own safety.
    I don't condemn Celia, but I would have stopped, waited for Arial to pass, then rode away.

    • @crystalquasar6841
      @crystalquasar6841 8 дней назад +3

      This is the right thing to do.

    • @tomruth9487
      @tomruth9487 7 дней назад +23

      @mikyl-fo8rh, I'm a cyclist also. I see your point and I might have done the same thing as you. But if I was walking and I saw a bicycle, even though I know I have the right away, I still would just move over, seems like there was plenty of room for both of them on the sidewalk.

    • @mikyl-fo8rh
      @mikyl-fo8rh 7 дней назад

      @@tomruth9487 me too

    • @oliviastar3812
      @oliviastar3812 7 дней назад +4

      was just saying same thing after watching this - mind you, the benefit of hindsight is 20-20 vision. The poor lady victim was prob unaware until she got too close to danger.

    • @mikyl-fo8rh
      @mikyl-fo8rh 7 дней назад +2

      @@tomruth9487 yep

  • @GhostOfSnuffles
    @GhostOfSnuffles 11 дней назад +1273

    Having the right of way doesn't grant you the right to put other people at risk. The fact Auriol causally walked off and went shopping after someone died proves she has no empathy after what she did.

    • @carltaylor6452
      @carltaylor6452 11 дней назад

      Perhaps - but she is mentally disabled, which may explain her cognitive inability to realise the seriousness of the incident.

    • @sugarspice7768
      @sugarspice7768 11 дней назад +144

      There was plenty of space for both of them on the sideway. She clearly walks right into the cyclist's path. She might not have been intending to killer her, but she certain did not care if the cyclist was killed or badly injured. Not to mention the trauma she inflicted on the unfortunate driver. 😢

    • @KenTeel
      @KenTeel 11 дней назад +26

      Good analysis. Well said.

    • @MrBilly235
      @MrBilly235 11 дней назад +57

      @@sugarspice7768 The side walk is for pedestrians, the cyclist should have gone around the individual with the legally established right of way, the cyclist choose not to and Darwin stepped in and said 'buh bye'.....

    • @acherontiaatropos6048
      @acherontiaatropos6048 11 дней назад +32

      @@MrBilly235 Cyclists are pedestrians and need to stay off the road. You must neither cycle or drive where cyclists are. Cycling in the road is extremely dangerous for cyclists as well as drivers having to maneuver around someone going 1/9th their speed. If they are ever actually banned from sidewalks then they should just not be allowed anywhere. Bye bye environment.

  • @scottfilson5935
    @scottfilson5935 9 дней назад +20

    She was "flinching" out long before the lady came close to her, and then she left the scene when the victim was hit.

    • @Oakleaf700
      @Oakleaf700 3 дня назад

      Grey is a cold hearted horrible woman with aggression issues.

  • @neraklrllessur8844
    @neraklrllessur8844 6 дней назад +8

    You never know what people are going to do! She's walking in the CENTER of the sidewalk, acting like she owns it.

  • @PeterDad60
    @PeterDad60 11 дней назад +265

    The pedestrian made deliberate contact with the cyclist. As a result of that, the cyclist rode off the sidewalk and crashed into the street where she was hit by a motor vehicle and died on the scene. Meanwhile the pedestrian simply walked away. The pedestrian caused the unnecessary death.

    • @darthmcgee2216
      @darthmcgee2216 11 дней назад +7

      The cyclist could have stopped or swerved away from traffic and been on her way. Aggressive finger wagging!

    • @oceana3070
      @oceana3070 11 дней назад +16

      @@darthmcgee2216Could she? Evidently not.

    • @skyhawk_4526
      @skyhawk_4526 11 дней назад +6

      The video is clear in showing the cyclist lost her balance and fell into the road prior to the pedestrian making physical contact with her. I'm not defending the pedestrian, who I do believe at least contributed to the cyclist's death, but to suggest that the physical contact is why the cyclist fell is simply false and contradictory to the video footage.

    • @jamesflames6987
      @jamesflames6987 11 дней назад +1

      Nice theory. But even the prosecution didn't consider the contact relevant. And very unclear if it was deliberate.

    • @MrKanilammit
      @MrKanilammit 11 дней назад +7

      @@skyhawk_4526 It is truly remarkable, the people claiming the cyclist was "pushed," or the pedestrian "walked into" the cyclists path. The video apparently means nothing to them. One wonders how the human brain works sometimes, and God save us if they ever get called as a juror.

  • @jeffharrison1090
    @jeffharrison1090 11 дней назад +270

    People often say, he/she/they will have to "live with that for the rest of their lives". A silly auto response,
    given so many ppl today, can careless of others. She went grocery shopping afterwards, didn't stay around,
    didn't try to help, didn't care. So "she" will have little to no problems the rest of her life!

    • @mjowsey
      @mjowsey 10 дней назад +8

      I thought that when he said it. We have no way of knowing what's going on in Auriel's mind.

    • @AellaMaude-oy9qn
      @AellaMaude-oy9qn 10 дней назад +16

      He also said she had cognitive impairment so how can we assume she makes reasonable decisions?

    • @mr.sinister9035
      @mr.sinister9035 9 дней назад +2

      depends on the person

    • @noBody-ue6cs
      @noBody-ue6cs 9 дней назад +12

      Yeah, she immediately went on living with that act in her life to the groceries immediately afterwards.

    • @Pulapaws
      @Pulapaws 9 дней назад

      She care when the day comes where she in a government nursing home where they just as careless as she is. Glad she served time in jail even though it wasn’t the full sentence.

  • @ciaramorrison1849
    @ciaramorrison1849 11 дней назад +59

    There was ample room for her to move to her right. She caused the death of that woman and should have been charged.

    • @JAMessinaJr
      @JAMessinaJr 10 дней назад +3

      Was there ample room? In the video, it appeared they met at a narrower portion of the walkway due to a post (lamp post?).

    • @karl-niclasburner8451
      @karl-niclasburner8451 10 дней назад +5

      She def sought for a confrontation and conflict. If I fear being hit by a bicycle, i will def not step infront of it.

    • @PaulStevens-se9lc
      @PaulStevens-se9lc 9 дней назад +4

      A: a pedestrian has right of way and does not need to move to the side. B: cycling on the sidewalk is illegal in London so she shouldnt have been there in the first place.

    • @Fuzzira
      @Fuzzira 8 дней назад +6

      @@PaulStevens-se9lc Sleeping on the streets is also illegal in Britain so I guess I can shove the homeless into traffic as well then?

    • @carpathianken
      @carpathianken 8 дней назад +6

      @@Fuzzira You make a good point. Sidewalks are more than 7 feet wide, that pedestrian could have easily side stepped to let the cyclist past but, no she had to do the homicidal dog act & force the cyclist to her death

  • @hughjanus5336
    @hughjanus5336 10 дней назад +8

    Under English law, a person is guilty of involuntary manslaughter when he or she intends an unlawful act that is likely to do harm to the person, and death results which was neither foreseen nor intended. Assault covers a range of actions, from using threatening words to a severe physical attack that leaves the victim permanently disabled. 0:30

  • @winterwoodcottage3657
    @winterwoodcottage3657 11 дней назад +694

    I was in Aurea’s corner until she left the scene. That is horrific to me. To leave a woman hit by a car in the street right next to you is callous beyond belief.

    • @ChristophProbst
      @ChristophProbst 11 дней назад +39

      I felt this way too, but I think technically, she didn't commit a crime. She seems like a terrible person, but I don't think she's a criminal.

    • @rumchata6569
      @rumchata6569 11 дней назад +62

      Her heartless decision to leave is irrelevant to the accident and shouldn’t be a factor.
      The fact is the old lady fell because she had terrible balance and made poor decisions.
      She could have slowed down. Come to a complete stop. Gotten off her bike and walk. Turn around. Ride on the street. Aureas actions would not cause a healthy biker to fall onto the street. A healthy biker would have also made the right choices to not be in a position where they could become unbalanced and fall. This is a classic woman moment of “look what you made me do”. Zero accountability for making the wrong choices and having bad balance. Cars are expected to be mindful of bikers on the street. And bikers are expected to be mindful of pedestrians on sidewalks. It’s not Aurea’s fault the old lady overreacted to the hand gestures. And if the hand gestures were to bad, why did she not stop sooner. Aurea’s only found guilty because she was a rude person. But she’s entitled to be rude it’s her god given right damnit 😤 🇺🇸

    • @amandajolu
      @amandajolu 11 дней назад +56

      ​@@rumchata6569
      I agree to a point but she stayed in the cyclist's path on purpose and waved her hand at her, as if to push her away, knowing there was traffic just on the other side of her. That makes her partly responsible for the cyclist falling over into traffic. Yes, the cyclist should've stopped after seeing how crazy the pedestrian was behaving but maybe she thought she could get around her.

    • @SoundsBogus
      @SoundsBogus 11 дней назад +42

      It was a power trip, or in this case a power push. With a duping delight grin, the perp then went shopping. Somebody paid for her life of Misery.

    • @evonne315
      @evonne315 11 дней назад +10

      Zero understanding for any accident or struggle the woman on the bike may have been having with her bike? Its like a car pulling over for a problem and someone being able to kick it back into traffic.

  • @Johns-Muse
    @Johns-Muse 11 дней назад +533

    To clarify, in the UK, it is illegal to cycle on the pavement. However, in practice, the law isn't typically enforced. In my opinion, we should show some patience and kindness, especially to more vulnerable cyclists such as the old or the very young.

    • @pariacanyon
      @pariacanyon 11 дней назад +41

      Section 72 of the Highway Act 1835 states that bikes are legally allowed to be ridden on the sidewalk/pavement in the UK.

    • @iciajay6891
      @iciajay6891 11 дней назад +26

      Were I live in Canada, it is ilegal for anyone over 18 to ride a bike on a sidewalk. For example, I was walking by my local library, and a man who was in his 30-40 was ridding a bike one handed on the sidealk and using his phone with the other. He was bikeing directly towards a woman with a newborn in a carage. I jumped in, and the guy hit me with his bike wheel a few feet infort of the woman. If i was not so furious, I would have got his details to report him. But i was just happy the baby was safe. He, under my local laws, could be charged with a few crimes. Assult ans battery being some. I have knowticed that it is 90% men who are obviously over 18 on the sidewalks in my town. And cuaseing the issues I see. (I walk a lot). Inthink we should have plates on bikes like with cars. To report issues. My town also y many bike lanes not part of the road and places for bike ridders. So there is no excuse.

    • @upstateshenanigans430
      @upstateshenanigans430 11 дней назад +54

      I don't like the idea of bikes on sidewalks but I really don't like the idea of children and seniors riding in the road, especially a road like this with no shoulders.

    • @neilpook3719
      @neilpook3719 11 дней назад +14

      It is fully legal for, in the UK children to ride on the pavement up to the age of 10. No other age concessions are available. So a new law for OAP cyclists would be a great idea.
      In this case, the police could not clarify whether that particular stretch of pavement was a shared use cycle/foot path or not. Of course, if it wasn't then it would've added some weight to the argument. I'm presuming that there may have been some sparsely positioned signage. Probably in such a way that it is difficult to determine where it starts and finishes'. that pavement would've been adequate, by the width. I've seen some shared use paths where it was difficult to even walk past somebody so cycling was impossible to do safely.

    • @EvenBigger-Brother
      @EvenBigger-Brother 11 дней назад +43

      @@pariacanyon Whoopsie daisy . "Cycling on the footway in England and Wales is an offence under Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835 as amended by Section 85(1) of the Local Government Act 1888."

  • @pameladee
    @pameladee 10 дней назад +7

    If I’m riding my bicycle at age 77, you better not be hostile to me! 🌵

  • @mrwang420
    @mrwang420 5 дней назад +4

    She's 100% guilty. There was more then enough room for her to step aside. These people 100% know what they are doing.

    • @etx8920
      @etx8920 5 дней назад +1

      It is called "buzzing" and it is illegal in the states but it often isnt enforced by police so murderers goes unpunished

  • @danthesquirrel
    @danthesquirrel 11 дней назад +272

    When my mother was alive in her last two years I lived with her. She was a horrible person and she felt she had to be the sickest person anywhere (but she would spend her days gambling or shopping). One day I took her grocery shopping and at the store there was another old woman who was using a walker. As we went through the store she obsessively bitched about what a show that woman with the walker was putting on for others and how she (my mother) had way worse health than her. Later as we passed the old woman who was looking at hot dogs my mother (who was now about 25 feet away from me) walked up behind her and without warning lunged forward and checked her right in the back forcing her to faceplant into the hot dog sections. She said "excuse me" and then walked off with a smile. The old woman didn't appear to be hurt (was immediately helped up) and we walked off. Just another in a long line of psychopathic busts of evil that she unleashed over her life. It doesn't surprise me at all that this horrible old woman thought nothing about killing a vulnerable victim. Who knows how many deaths attributed as accidents or unknown causes each one of these evil people wrack up in their lifetime. How a person does one thing is how they do everything. I doubt she killed just once.

    • @jamieabele9239
      @jamieabele9239 11 дней назад +52

      Too few of us are mindful that our actions impact others. Some of us don’t care. Sorry about your life with a difficult mother.

    • @Alaryicjude
      @Alaryicjude 11 дней назад +34

      So sorry you know people CAN truly be evil from such personal experience. Keep sharing your story though. I think it's important for the people trying to distance themselves from reality.
      Sending 💓

    • @db44491
      @db44491 10 дней назад +32

      So sorry to hear you had a mother like that, seems like you are a good person, i wish you well..

    • @j3suisd3
      @j3suisd3 10 дней назад +20

      Thanks Dan, i really enjoyed your story !! Which is probably why i am on this channel. Also i am truly relieved hotdog lady was ok 😁

    • @carpathianken
      @carpathianken 10 дней назад

      My sister works in a nursing home & she says that dementia type symptoms make a persons personality go to the opposite.
      So the once kind & benevolent person turns into a bitchy witch that the family members are shocked seeing because he never showered malevolence in their lives ever

  • @ChristelVinot
    @ChristelVinot 11 дней назад +442

    it's so tragic. imagine choosing to ride on the sidewalk to avoid being hit by a car, only to end up being hit by a car because you rode on the sidewalk.

    • @isaudy
      @isaudy 11 дней назад +14

      Murphy’s law

    • @johndrake3472
      @johndrake3472 11 дней назад +62

      Bikes aren't supposed to be on sidewalks. If you can't ride on the street, then you shouldn't be riding at all.

    • @Notthecobracommander
      @Notthecobracommander 11 дней назад +18

      I agree this is a very challenging case. I believe she acted inappropriately however I do think accusing her of manslaughter is a stretch. You are correct as a former UK resident I can testify that there is a big feud between cyclist and pedestrians.

    • @ChristelVinot
      @ChristelVinot 11 дней назад +36

      @@johndrake3472 it's not that cyclists can't ride in the street. it's that they might die in the street. lol. safety trumps law.

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 11 дней назад +23

      It's called a "pavement" and it is not legal to cycle on in the UK.

  • @murphychurch8251
    @murphychurch8251 11 дней назад +3

    That's a difficult one. Personally I think that, while she does live on her own, it doesn't mean she's capable of living on her own and without care. Very often, people with disabilities live on their own just because there is no care available or nobody wants to be the carer. And then things like this happen and people say she's fully responsible because she was living on her own, so that means she can be judged like anybody else.
    She clearly is a lot to put up with and a danger for the community around her and should not be left on her own like this. Not for her own and certainly not for communities sake.
    I've seen several people that are left without care despite disabilities and that are abrasive and exhausting. One lady walking around my workplace frequently accuses all of my male colleagues of being rapists, walks into a nursery and makes a fuss because nobody is considerate about her childlessness and she is blacklisted in all shops around. 😕

  • @RyanCarroll-rx3od
    @RyanCarroll-rx3od 11 дней назад +6

    I have 2 friends that had strokes and it completely changed their personalities
    1 had always been a very helpful person before that was always there for everyone in their time of need to being a very combative and only sees things from what’s best for him, it’s very frustrating to everyone around him including his wife that has been considering divorce
    The other one has become the complete opposite of this that is always there for everyone
    Head injuries are very hard for everyone involved

    • @FifiR3
      @FifiR3 9 дней назад

      So true❤

  • @spencershaw4419
    @spencershaw4419 11 дней назад +643

    Auriol stated in an interview that she “touched her” … so she actually made contact with the bicyclist causing her to fall into the road. Any rational person on the sidewalk would self-preserve and move to the side if they really felt a threat. But I guess you just don’t know who’s missing a portion of their brain.

    • @letsgobrandon6281
      @letsgobrandon6281 11 дней назад +56

      Not. She said she may have touched her with fingertips.
      Either way, stay off the sidewalk while riding a bike

    • @daphnejackson841
      @daphnejackson841 11 дней назад +8

      Exactly

    • @goblin-night
      @goblin-night 11 дней назад +26

      That's a lie. Her fingers touching the victim did not cause her to fall, she would have fallen exactly the same if Auriol's fingers hadn't have touched while she was doing "move aside" gestures.
      The prosecutor's wording is crafted to be misleading as hell, and to make Auriol sound as awful as possible so people will even think of their own way to interpret in his favour. Dr Grande included a few of the prosecutor's doosies, he basically treated it like a "manipulate the jury" challenge to get a conviction on a technicality.
      It's not for nothing that Auriol's appeal succeeded and that the prosecutor was also outright denied the chance to retry the case at all.

    • @whosaidthat9265
      @whosaidthat9265 11 дней назад +58

      If someone can cause you to fall into traffic with a fingertip you shouldn’t be riding a bike. Sorry. That’s ridiculous

    • @maryfrancesbeckerhaggerty5353
      @maryfrancesbeckerhaggerty5353 11 дней назад +14

      I got the impression that her shouting "get off the fu$#ing pavement and waving her hand intimidated Cecilia that Aureila was going to maybe strike her - causing her to lose balance and fall.

  • @redeagle999
    @redeagle999 11 дней назад +258

    I hate cases like this. Neither party was without fault and now a person is dead. Also spare a thought for the driver of the car. Such a tragic accident.

    • @rosec6680
      @rosec6680 11 дней назад +48

      She could see the cars coming, she's not that incapacitated if she is out walking.
      Cold and callous to leave and go shopping.
      Poor driver.
      She affected the life of two others with her madness.

    • @sighthoundlady15
      @sighthoundlady15 11 дней назад +31

      @@rosec6680 my thought is either way she’s dangerous right? Either maliciously or due to her mental incapacity, the result was the same, someone died. What else will she “accidentally” do roaming free in public?

    • @baldisaerodynamic9692
      @baldisaerodynamic9692 11 дней назад +6

      yea, and that driver has to pay for it too, im sure no one else had insurance.

    • @brick6347
      @brick6347 11 дней назад +17

      It's a shared space. Legally. Celia was well within her rights to cycle there.

    • @eightw5783
      @eightw5783 11 дней назад +1

      Best comment here.

  • @xenotbbbeats7209
    @xenotbbbeats7209 8 дней назад +5

    Where I live, it's illegal to ride your bike on the sidewalk, but the penalty isn't death.

    • @thomasrobinson182
      @thomasrobinson182 5 дней назад

      Riding in the street is always risking injury. I've been cut off by cars, crashing in one instance,- the driver took off - and having my hand bruised by the door handle of a car as a teen. That driver stopped, but I asked him to leave me alone.

  • @amariev226
    @amariev226 10 дней назад +66

    The elephant in the room here, is that Auriol was missing HALF HER BRAIN, literally. This fact likely affected everything from her depth perception to her anger issues to her empathy abilities. Also the other woman was too old to be navigating a bicycle that close to deadly traffic. Neither of those women should have been where they were that day,

    • @Metqa
      @Metqa 9 дней назад +6

      maybe they should have decent bike lanes and pylons to separate traffic so bicyclists don't get run down by cars or shoved off the pavement by irrational pedestrians.

    • @mjkarger89
      @mjkarger89 9 дней назад +7

      @@Metqa We both watched the same video. She was not shoved into traffic.

    • @madelainepetrin1430
      @madelainepetrin1430 9 дней назад +6

      Agree. Not everyone is able to think things through when they have mental issues. Older people are more likely to lose their balance. All in all, a tragedy.

    • @alisonwilson9749
      @alisonwilson9749 9 дней назад +6

      @@mjkarger89 People who watched the longer video say she was pushed.

    • @Nurse_Kathy
      @Nurse_Kathy 9 дней назад +15

      This video doesn’t show everything but I clearly see her leaning INTO the cyclist, NOT away from her. I don’t buy the self defense argument. Also, just to clarify, only a small “part of” the left hemisphere of her brain was removed to treat her epilepsy, not half of her brain.

  • @RullXov
    @RullXov 11 дней назад +126

    Do a video about Samuel Landis, the DEA agent that intentionally ran a stop sign. He hit Marganne Allen, 53, a married mom on her bicycle, and he now wants police immunity. He said he was late and needed to catch up with the DEA surveillance team.

    • @carpathianken
      @carpathianken 10 дней назад +5

      Now you're talking. I hope Dr.Grande does heed your suggestion. I couldn't think of a better case video topic for him to do & analyse. Personally, I'm equally torn by mixed feeling of knowing how important it is for the DEA to move efficiently on fresh evidence because it can literally mean months of work down the drain if they don't act before that fleeting window of opportunity closes & the suspect weasels out of it, but I also believe in driving standards & putting the general publics safety & health in jeopardy , especially in this day & age of having the many high tech communication options right at their finger tips , just to rendezvous with colleagues is unacceptable.

    • @audreyquinn73
      @audreyquinn73 10 дней назад +9

      As a cyclist who cannot drive, people seem to forget that the person on the bike is a person with family, friends, hopes, and dreams. Every day, before I get onto my bike, I say a prayer that I will make it home alive. Every day. I'm 51 years old, and in 2008, I nearly lost my right leg in a hit-and-run, but I was very lucky, and with physio, I got back on that bike. I love cycling, and I hope to cycle for another 25 years. I do hope that drivers learn to see to the person on the bike before being annoyed by the inconvenience of sharing the road with a bike. In fairness, if there were more people cycling, drivers might be more comfortable and considerate to people on bikes.

    • @RullXov
      @RullXov 10 дней назад +14

      @@carpathianken Ya, there was no imminent danger to the agents, so no reason to drive recklessly. He should go to prison, just like any citizen would. He also should be fired.

    • @kevinscott4081
      @kevinscott4081 10 дней назад +1

      @@RullXov 👍👍

    • @pinkdiamond1847
      @pinkdiamond1847 10 дней назад +2

      The difference is he ran a red light which is actually against the law.
      In the UK it's against the law cycle on the pavement (sidewalk) But it's not really against the law to wave your arms around however The argument is that her actions directly led to the cyclists death even if those actions by themselves are not illegal and even though the cyclist was legally in the wrong to begin with.
      That's why it's more complicated here.

  • @fnumusic
    @fnumusic 11 дней назад +172

    That’s a tough one. I teach my kids to ride on the sidewalk when no bike lane. But, to yield to pedestrians and just get off and walk it if there’s a confrontation.

    • @marlenestewart7442
      @marlenestewart7442 11 дней назад +8

      Children riding for play is a horse of a different color than adults riding.

    • @jennyhaslayer1396
      @jennyhaslayer1396 11 дней назад +23

      ​@@marlenestewart7442 no one said it was for play, children have to get places too. Always ride on the sidewalk when it is not safe to ride on the road, adult or no, playing or no.

    • @eddysgaming9868
      @eddysgaming9868 11 дней назад +3

      This is my understanding.

    • @AntimatterBeam8954
      @AntimatterBeam8954 11 дней назад +8

      It's against the law to cycle on a pavement in the UK as far as I know from living in London. If you ask me I feel funny about that law given how dangerous the roads can be for cyclists especially less confident ones.
      Edit: Yeah I checked, it's backed by the Highway Act 1835 and it's under Highway Code Rule 64
      In my personal experience, people don't care quite often. It's not a major law and police usually just say get off the pavement, you aren't allowed to cycle there. So one will definitely see people breaking this one regularly. Also it's not a severely publicised law either.

    • @rosep8481
      @rosep8481 11 дней назад +8

      It is actually illegal in many cities and counties to ride on sidewalks

  • @codyskyrimvolen
    @codyskyrimvolen 9 дней назад +22

    She is obviously guilty. Waving someone off into traffic causing death is murder.

    • @Endoscopic911
      @Endoscopic911 4 дня назад +4

      You can wave all day it doesn't mean you have to adhere to the request. She could have easily went to the other side of the sidewalk as well.

  • @MariaOC1_
    @MariaOC1_ 11 дней назад +17

    She did know when to walk away.....she heard to sirens and walked away.
    Thank you for highlighting Anger.

  • @HunkumSpunkum
    @HunkumSpunkum 11 дней назад +20

    I don't know about the situation in the US, but here in the UK, cyclists riding on pavements (the sidewalks) are a real problem. Electric bikes/scooters have made this problem even worse due to their high speeds.

    • @danielcalderwood6674
      @danielcalderwood6674 9 дней назад +4

      A big part of the problem is the non enforcement of the law against vehicles being ridden on the footway.

    • @alisonwilson9749
      @alisonwilson9749 9 дней назад +2

      I think it's the speeds that's the real problem on shared paths. IIRC there is, or was, a limit IIRC on shared paths of 12mph. I don't use them because I usually go as fast as that or faster. Personally I stick to roads, in the UK even most cycle paths/lanes where pedestrians are not supposed to go are crap- full of glass, and dangerous at junctions- and often pedestrians wandering in and out of them. And don't get me started about pedestrians walking dogs off lead or on long leads on cycle tracks, they're lethal.

    • @danap472
      @danap472 6 дней назад +2

      Funnily enough in the U.S. it’s the opposite- you’re supposed to remain on the pavement as much as possible with as little interaction on the road as possible (non designated bike lane roads, however when designated you’re meant to use) and you’re supposed to come to a complete stop or veer entirely off onto the grass when a pedestrian is on the same path.

    • @michaelwaninger3155
      @michaelwaninger3155 5 дней назад

      Yes it is the same here. The cyclists don't want to go in the road because it is so dangerous (and it is) for various reasons. One of which is cars are angry the slower bikes are in their way. So the cyclists go on the sidewalk and then they treat the pedestrians on the sidewalk same as the motorists treat them. Living in the city it is not uncommon to have a bike fly by you from behind that you are completely unaware of. They know that if you stepped to the side(not knowing they were coming) they would crash into you and they don't care. You are in there way. There is no communal connection anymore. The propaganda from the media has created all these fake communities and pitted them against each other. The black community gay, feminist, liberal,...People are just too stupid. Just think of how stupid the average person is and realize half the people are stupider than that. George Carlin.

    • @granthropologist3622
      @granthropologist3622 3 дня назад +1

      I’m disabled and move very slowly; walking is painful. In the last decade I’ve had four pavement cyclists collide with me and then hurl abuse at me for being in their way. This is a terrifying barrier to leaving my home.

  • @susanyates8038
    @susanyates8038 11 дней назад +75

    Whatever happened to “love your neighbor as yourself”? All these two women needed to do was say “good morning” and be on their way.

    • @larrydaniels6532
      @larrydaniels6532 11 дней назад +17

      The officials released an incompetent person into an unknowing public, the death of a beloved wife, sister, aunt, grandmother, friend, neighbor was the result.

    • @osirismaximus2787
      @osirismaximus2787 10 дней назад +1

      Right??

    • @htmc2022
      @htmc2022 10 дней назад +8

      Cyclist was endangering herself and everyone on the pavement (sidewalk). You should be able to walk safely on a sidewalk without any kind of vehicle coming at you.

    • @JustAnotherConspiracyTheorist
      @JustAnotherConspiracyTheorist 10 дней назад

      ​@@htmc2022please explain how a bicycle was going to hurt a pedestrian in a 7 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK! Are you stupid?, or just selfish like the old lady in this video? She pushed her into traffic and then went grocery shopping!

    • @osirismaximus2787
      @osirismaximus2787 9 дней назад +12

      @htmc2022 I respectfully disagree that riding a bike on a sidewalk is wrong. Children ride their bikes on sidewalks. Should they be forced into the street and put in danger so that people can walk "safely"?
      Gotta think about it from all angles.

  • @mattycakes1161
    @mattycakes1161 8 дней назад +21

    She pushed her in front of the car, you can see her foot come up as she turns and changes her center of balance. This lady needs to be in prison and not on the streets.

    • @joebidensteleprompteroperator
      @joebidensteleprompteroperator 6 дней назад

      you do not see contact at all...what you see is a cyclist with no helmet riding illegally on the footpath(law in england) who chooses not to stop for a pedestrian lose her balance(no contact...watch again) and get hit by a car.there are two victims in this scenario-the pedestrian and the car driver.put your feelings aside and watch it again.

  • @lauraduffy6177
    @lauraduffy6177 6 дней назад +2

    Thank you Dr. Grande for another informative and entertaining video. ❤❤

  • @rachaelb.
    @rachaelb. 11 дней назад +182

    Being angry at someone for one moment in time should not end in that person's death. That person is someone's parent, sibling, child, spouse, etc. I feel so bad for the family and loved ones of Celia. RiP

    • @langleywallingford260
      @langleywallingford260 11 дней назад +1

      "should not end that person's life" is what you meant to say, or "should not have resulted in a person's death".

    • @feleciaclemons5074
      @feleciaclemons5074 11 дней назад

      I'm pretty sure sure she said what she meant. Doesn't your comment end with the same conclusion?​@@langleywallingford260

    • @OccultDemonCassette
      @OccultDemonCassette 11 дней назад +8

      I don't understand how her being mad at the woman and waving her hands caused her death, though? The cyclist should have stopped and turned around or gone around her. Why would she continue barreling her bicycle towards a pedestrian? Doesn't make any logical sense.

    • @Felbicky1
      @Felbicky1 11 дней назад +1

      @@langleywallingford260oh nice 👍

    • @jamesflames6987
      @jamesflames6987 11 дней назад

      "Should not". But it still might. Have you never lost your temper?

  • @jean-baptiste6479
    @jean-baptiste6479 11 дней назад +73

    As a cyclist I always had to complain about car drivers.
    And now I am into walking. Some cyclist are rude with pedestrians, as if they were car drivers.
    The human being 😢

    • @skyhawk_4526
      @skyhawk_4526 11 дней назад +7

      Yes. Too many people are just plain rude and inconsiderate whether they are walking, riding or driving.

    • @Alaryicjude
      @Alaryicjude 11 дней назад +1

      Yeah, humanity is 🚮.

    • @Zeepjeliefs
      @Zeepjeliefs 10 дней назад +2

      I always ride my bike on the sidewalk to be honest, near my house. But I ride really slowly and give all walking people way. And if it's busy I walk besides my bike. It's just a very big shortcut. But where I live people are really tolerant and we look out for each other.

    • @mjowsey
      @mjowsey 10 дней назад

      The thing is it's only 1 in a 100 that are aholes and cause all the problems. Most People live and let live and go on thier way.

    • @josephj6521
      @josephj6521 10 дней назад +1

      @@Zeepjeliefsyou’re a great role model. I see so many cyclist abuse me to get out of their way whilst I walk on a footpath. But in this video, I truly feel awful for this particular cyclist.

  • @-msssrhmdy88-72
    @-msssrhmdy88-72 11 дней назад +19

    As a Brit, I want to give my own opinon. It's law, in the UK that states, unless it clearly has an official, designated "lane" painted on part of the pavement, riding a bike on the pavement is illegal here. Have I done it? Yes, lots. Do other of people? Yes. Does the law state that police should stop & pull over everyone they see in doing so? Yes. Do they? No. It's a very unfortunate case. I feel so bad for the lady who lost her life - particularly her family! However, Aurial was a mentally disabled woman, who because of this, was usually the target of vile boys/kids on scooters who thought it great fun & entertainment to mock her, tease her & taunt the poor woman. I can only imagine the PTSD this caused her. As much as I respect you & your opinion Dr Grande, I have to disagree some what to things. Her actions led up to the cause of the poor cyclists death, but could Aurial have predicted that by acting as she did, something bad might happen? I highly doubt it. Because of the torment she'd suffered, I believe, at that moment, I could see her unconsciously putting on her tunnel vision, wearing invisible "blinkers" & being unaware of everything else going on around her. It was just her & someone riding a bike. Did she need to cuss & automatically go on the defensive? No, but I presume she either done this because her PTSD made her prepare for the inevitable by putting up a front. That her bullies had made her come to loathe any bikes & scooters & that she was either antisocial because of this or probably even her disability. The UK has too many child/teen "gangs & groups" that spend most of their free time on the streets, doing nothing but causing trouble & making others lives a living hell & misery. The shitty government, house these nicknamed "chavs/yobs" alongside the elderly, vulnerable, mentally & physically handicapped. They (the government) wash their hands of them all. They do nothing to help & support those people, especially the most vulnerable. They (the government & politicians) are totally useless. None of them appreciate how life is for these particular people. Most handicapped people have to either cope alone, or, if they're lucky enough, rely on friends & family for care, support & help. If this crime was committed by a typically abked individual, who was "altogether with it " & a mentally sound person, then I would be outraged & would want the person to be locked away for a good, long while. However you look at it, it's heartbreaking. The poor lady lost her life in such an awful way. I also feel for the driver of the car, although, I'm surprised people haven't come for the driver too & accused her of negligence as they'll say that "if they wasn't driving so fast, the accident could have been avoided..?" I know that all actions lead to consequences, what with the lady loosing and her life! But, the offender was victimised & bullied on a regular basis & wasn't in control, nor, of sound mind!
    If anything, the government needs to pull their fingers out of ass' & give more help & support to the needy & vulnerable so that another repeat of this doesn't happen. Awful!

    • @kitfisto1827
      @kitfisto1827 9 дней назад +9

      being bullied is no excuse for bullying others. We don't absolve adult abusers simply because they were abused as children. That's a cop out.

    • @arkbien9303
      @arkbien9303 9 дней назад +8

      I've been bullied many times and I have autism but I and millions of others like me don't do stuff like this to people just because of our disability.

    • @never2yield20
      @never2yield20 7 дней назад +2

      "riding a bike on the pavement is illegal here" The same is generally true here in the states. We usually have painted lines on the street for bike lanes. If not, it is still usually illegal to ride a bike on the pedestrian sidewalk as we call it. The cyclist should have yielded (stopped) as the other women passed by. That is actually the better plan of action. Then if she had been shoved into the traffic, the case is clear. But people don't react in real life in manners that would make themselves safer. Being illegal, to cycle on the pavement, it is strange the government charged the pedestrian. Here in the states, people put up old bikes painted all white (ghost bikes) at scenes where bicyclists have died. Simple human interactions can be deadly. Sad case.

    • @AspienWaifu
      @AspienWaifu 7 дней назад

      @@arkbien9303same here, I was going to leave the same comment 👍

    • @olecranonrebellion9976
      @olecranonrebellion9976 5 дней назад

      Didnt hear anything about it being the drivers fault so......

  • @useddentalfloss2484
    @useddentalfloss2484 9 дней назад +1

    This is why in the U.S., in my state, we have a law called "Negligent Homicide". If you assault someone, and due to unforeseen circumstances *as a direct result of your actions* leads to their death, you are charged with this crime. In other words, exactly what this situation is. 15 year minimum sentence.

  • @Uprising771
    @Uprising771 11 дней назад +8

    this is one of the most heartbreaking incidences i have ever come across.

  • @loveheals2475
    @loveheals2475 11 дней назад +158

    Glad you kept the snark out of this one. Sad case all around. The perpetrator’s mental disability factors in, in a big way, to her ability to foresee the consequences of her actions.

    • @user-kl8lo6rj5i
      @user-kl8lo6rj5i 11 дней назад +10

      A disabled person should not have her safety threatened by a cyclist. Cyclists can cause injury to someone on foot, and need to choose the safety of others over their own arrogance. That said, Auriel could also have gotten off to the side to avoid getting hit. All very sad. I missed the snark factor tbh.

    • @stonedcyclist6392
      @stonedcyclist6392 11 дней назад

      @user-kl8lo6rj5i stop defending murderous Karens

    • @spazmonkey3815
      @spazmonkey3815 11 дней назад +11

      I also wonder if her great visual distortion and social isolation contributed to this event.
      I may be wrong but people can survive 1/2 of their brain removed due to epilepsy treatment (or functionally, stroke),but when 1/2 of the visual field is wiped out so does 1/2 of their universe.
      This has been proven when patients of this sort draw a portrait of someone, they only draw half of a face . To them the other half doesn't exist. This is a tremendous disability, and may have contributed to her fear of the bicycle.

    • @iffyangel3380
      @iffyangel3380 11 дней назад +32

      She wasn't too disabled to LIE to police, leave the scene and own the sidewalk!

    • @user-lj4xs4gn8u
      @user-lj4xs4gn8u 11 дней назад +7

      I like his snark, in other videos. He knows when to use it. I love his dry humour.

  • @hotpotato4027
    @hotpotato4027 10 дней назад +4

    Dr Todd,
    Please update your channel posting, Auriel has been found not guilty on appeal last week.
    Thank you

    • @alisonwilson9749
      @alisonwilson9749 9 дней назад +1

      Unfortunately.

    • @hotpotato4027
      @hotpotato4027 9 дней назад

      @@alisonwilson9749 it’s matter of opinion now. I say fortunately🤷‍♂️

    • @hotpotato4027
      @hotpotato4027 4 дня назад

      @@hahna77 Nah, hahna

  • @teresapatrick1230
    @teresapatrick1230 9 дней назад

    Gotta love Dr. Grande!

  • @susancole6793
    @susancole6793 11 дней назад +51

    As a physician, I was struck by the extent of this woman's disability. She had poor vision along with impaired emotional and physical functioning due to her brain surgery. Her behavior can be explained by her disability and should have been taken into account by the court. I am surprised Dr Grande did not mention this in his analysis.

    • @brianduffy1338
      @brianduffy1338 9 дней назад +7

      (Joan here). Same surprise here. I was actually going to make this comment. Plus her own experiences in the past with scooters on the sidewalk and bullying and the like - she would have been "informed" by these experiences and been primed accordingly.

    • @bobl703
      @bobl703 9 дней назад +6

      I thought the exact same things and I'm not even a physician. It seemed very obvious to me. I have an autistic child and see similarities where, she will do something without thinking and then when I get angry at her, she will just say "sorry" because she doesn't even remember what she did. And if someone falls and gets hurt in front of her, she will continue to do what she was already doing. It's not that she is heartless or cold, that is just how her brain works. Same with Auriol in this video. I've seen another Dr. Grande analysis and I have not been impressed.

    • @darhug1968a
      @darhug1968a 9 дней назад +2

      I agree to a great extent. This woman seems to have led a lonely life full of difficulty. Where I disagree is your assumption that the court never took her disabilities into account when sentencing her. I think the judge took this into account as manslaughter normally carries a much larger sentence than 3 years. What is disappointing is this was ever charged in the first place (and this has nothing to do with the court).

    • @shamancredible8632
      @shamancredible8632 9 дней назад

      Nah, it shouldn't be considered. You people are the types that allow serial killers to walk free because they're "neurodiverse"

    • @olecranonrebellion9976
      @olecranonrebellion9976 5 дней назад

      Because a person is disabled doesnt make them a saint.

  • @madhatter329
    @madhatter329 11 дней назад +20

    Oh my goodness I couldn’t believe you actually looked at a case which is 30 minutes from me here in uk!! Thank you dr grande

  • @mjowsey
    @mjowsey 9 дней назад +1

    I have done a very similar thing. More than 40 years ago I was a high school kid. I was walking along the sidewalk and a kid from school was cycling towards me on the same sidewalk. I didn't like this kid, he had been mean to me for no reason. So as he got to me I made noise and moved in such a way as to startle him. He fell off his bike and I think that he might have fallen into the roadway. It was a deliberate act intended to cause harm.

  • @christianmcbrearty
    @christianmcbrearty 5 дней назад +1

    Not only is it illegal to ride on the pavement, the victim was old af and clearly unable to effectively keep her balance.
    Auriel was literally missing half her brain and all she did was swear a bit and wave her hand. The blame should be placed ENTIRELY on the victim, not Auriel. Simple as that!

  • @jamesflames6987
    @jamesflames6987 11 дней назад +265

    Extraordinary how many people seem completely unable to distinguish between "I don't like this person" and "this person violated the law".

    • @johnwilloug2717
      @johnwilloug2717 10 дней назад +22

      I think there's quite a bit of 'I don't like this person who clearly violated the law' TBH, and that's taking away from the sympathy that might have helped with the debate of intent....

    • @dannylad1600
      @dannylad1600 10 дней назад +55

      Pushing old ladies into oncoming traffic is in fact violating the law here in the UK believe it or not.

    • @Devi_Seona
      @Devi_Seona 10 дней назад +23

      Hum isn’t killing someone violating the law where you live? Do you think that she didn’t know that making her fall in the traffic would probably kill her?…

    • @elsajones6325
      @elsajones6325 10 дней назад +10

      @@Devi_Seona it seems that this person is not capable of knowing the difference. That's why she continued on her way, having no clue what she'd caused

    • @jaymike3302
      @jaymike3302 10 дней назад +12

      A 77-year-old woman shouldn't be riding a bike near traffic. But Auriol is a mean nasty person.

  • @rosiesingleton6480
    @rosiesingleton6480 11 дней назад +151

    I agree with your opinion 100% on this one. The only victims here were the older biker & the car driver.

    • @christopherfitzgerald774
      @christopherfitzgerald774 8 дней назад +1

      Even though riding a bicycle is AGAINST THE LAW AND A DANGER TO PEDESTRIANS ? After all, pedestrians are not permitted to walk in the centre of the road are they? However, the "Entitled ones" such as cyclists think they can do no wrong don't they.....

    • @hahna77
      @hahna77 4 дня назад

      ​@@christopherfitzgerald774 if it was a child that she pushed into the road would you have the same opinion & defense?

    • @christopherfitzgerald774
      @christopherfitzgerald774 4 дня назад

      @@hahna77 Hypotheticals are of no use in this discussion as no-one knows what the lady would have thought or done in any situation except the one that occurred, so stop trying to muddy the waters.

  • @abelcarrillo927
    @abelcarrillo927 11 дней назад +1

    Love the all the cacti 🌵 you have in the background

  • @michaelbartley9572
    @michaelbartley9572 9 дней назад +1

    He says I'm not diagnosing then always go on to diagnose haha love it Dr big.

  • @jasonmages4323
    @jasonmages4323 11 дней назад +20

    Profoundly Sad nature of Humanity that anyone and everyone feels so entitled to not sharing their space with other's either on the sidewalk or the roadway. For that matter some individuals cannot even walk along side one another in a crowd without expressing hostility and unreasonable territorial insecurities. We all inhabit this world together, and we are all parts of a collective that is interconnected.

  • @javierromero6858
    @javierromero6858 11 дней назад +54

    People with this type of conditions are MASSIVELY bullied all throughout their lives. They are always on the defensive. Sad story

    • @itchynackers
      @itchynackers 9 дней назад

      its not defense when you make the contact, and dont attempt to defensively move out of the way. you never played sports did you? if you had, youd know the difference between offense and defense.

    • @nigefal
      @nigefal 8 дней назад

      Not completely true. The more successful people with the condition (CP) adapt. Those less successful go around with a chip on their shoulder.

  • @TheAutoexecbat
    @TheAutoexecbat 10 дней назад +1

    I used to ride my bicycle to work (10 miles). I had to protect myself first and I also needed to understand that even though its a bicycle, its a vehicle and needs to be on the road

  • @gmacka6333
    @gmacka6333 7 дней назад +2

    Moving your hand or arm in a non threatening way is not a crime.

  • @jeffreybrewer8649
    @jeffreybrewer8649 11 дней назад +30

    I am a daily cyclist in a large city. Generally I ride on the roadway, which is where I should be, or certainly on a bike path when available. There are places where the roadway is simply too dangerous to ride -- tight roadway with fast moving cars, open grids on a bridge, really poor road condition. At these times I WILL use the sidewalk, it is not normal, and at all times, I take responsibility when doing so.
    Roadways are constructed with the foresight for use by cars, sometimes there is simply a gap in the design that precludes bicycles.

  • @tullochgorum6323
    @tullochgorum6323 11 дней назад +452

    Son of a senior British judge here. In my father's view, some cases are simply evenly balanced. This is probably why the first jury was hung. That's life I'm afraid - the law isn't always cut and dried.

    • @bobdadnaila7708
      @bobdadnaila7708 11 дней назад +19

      True that.

    • @whosaidthat9265
      @whosaidthat9265 11 дней назад +44

      The odd part is I have murders granted what I think is called diminished responsibility in the UK and receive ridiculously light sentences. How was this woman not granted that to begin with considering her mental disability

    • @kknn523
      @kknn523 11 дней назад +35

      Seems like it's the biker's fault for not driving safely. Pedestrian was quite an idiot, but, it's the biker that was going too fast.

    • @JaMeshuggah
      @JaMeshuggah 11 дней назад +3

      British law at least

    • @TheDramacist
      @TheDramacist 11 дней назад +50

      It wasnt even though, was it? I work with learning disability residents and they still understand right from wrong. They know aggression is negative. They know not to threaten people verbally or physically. Murder wasnt the intent, but to harass and bully certainly was

  • @HistoricHarpersFerry
    @HistoricHarpersFerry 9 дней назад

    Good analysis, Dr. G. Sad case.

  • @wonderwoman5528
    @wonderwoman5528 10 дней назад +2

    Not only did she cause a life to end with no remorse, but the woman driving the car said she suffers from ptsd and will have life long mental health problems due to having been the person to collide with Celia.

    • @shamancredible8632
      @shamancredible8632 9 дней назад

      No. Bike rider ended her own life by choosing to ride on the sidewalk. And to use your own logic against you, it's illegal to ride on the sidewalks for the same reason it's illegal to not wear a seatbelt or not wear a helmet on motorcycles. You're essentially saying it's illegal to walk on a sidewalk while a bike is coming at you. You have no brain.

  • @enoughalready8088
    @enoughalready8088 11 дней назад +367

    This woman was disabled enough to live alone, argue with many people and curse at her elder. Don’t care, think she should have done more time and maybe she’d learn some manners. Poor lady that died and her family

    • @joan-lisa-smith
      @joan-lisa-smith 11 дней назад +44

      Yes and normally I hate when people are riding on the sidewalk however when I see an older person do it I have enough sense to understand that they are doing so as it's safer. She may have been disabled but the victim was elderly. That woman is just miserable.

    • @sparklemotion8377
      @sparklemotion8377 11 дней назад +3

      Manners?

    • @stevenblackwood6097
      @stevenblackwood6097 11 дней назад +16

      Surprised that more attention wasn’t paid the cerebral palsy of the perp. Sure she was able to live on her own but people with CP face their own mobility challenges. Grande did do a good job of balancing the case. Thus is a tragedy all around. The cyclist lost her life and the perp lost over a year in prison before he condition was reversed.

    • @TheDramacist
      @TheDramacist 11 дней назад +32

      Agree, she lived a life of privilege, of getting her way. Even the jury were afraid they'd be seen as unsympathetic towards the mentally disabled. I'm sure Areal knew this too and tried to milk it. Eventually they gave in!
      Disgusting. She needs to be in prison. We can't let the public believe that a disability gives you a golden pass to behave however you want and to police other people!

    • @joan-lisa-smith
      @joan-lisa-smith 11 дней назад +25

      @@stevenblackwood6097 CP does not cause one to be a bully tho, which she has a history of with others in the area. I feel there could have been 20 feet between them and she still would have been yelling and cursing, it's unfortunate she was close enough to try and push her off her bike. I do agree with the mobility issues but the cyclist had some as well, hence why she was puttering slowly on the sidewalk rather than risk the road. The deciding factor for me in this is how she arrogantly went off shopping without checking on the woman or offering help....that is entitlement and cruelty and shows her nature and it wasn't due to her feeling scared because of mobility issues.

  • @derek04151
    @derek04151 11 дней назад +20

    You can see her plant her left foot and swivel just as the bicycle meets her.
    She was also purposely striding in the middle of the sidewalk.

    • @Oakleaf700
      @Oakleaf700 11 дней назад +7

      She was! I cannot believe people defending this awful Auriole woman. She's a foul mouthed liar from her police interview with zero empathy for the people whose lives she has ruined.

    • @JAMessinaJr
      @JAMessinaJr 10 дней назад +1

      How much room was there where the two met? Seems to be an obstruction due to a post. How much space did that take up?

  • @julieannalbuzbeba253
    @julieannalbuzbeba253 7 дней назад

    I can't take it anymore with these one liners!😂😂😂
    I'm still stuck on a few videos back when the HAT WAS STRETCHED TO THE MAX!

  • @wolfgangschmidt9598
    @wolfgangschmidt9598 11 дней назад +2

    We accept risks ridding , driving and walking. It was an accident. We should stay focused and not allow distractions to change what is non negotiable which is losing control of the bike. Tragic.

  • @user-el1fe3is7p
    @user-el1fe3is7p 11 дней назад +14

    If one moves the video frame by frame one can see that the cyclist was in control and straight when she passed Auriol. The front wheel is straight after it has passed her. Then Auriol stops walking for a moment, her right leg makes a vigoros movement inward and her body moves inward for a moment (visible back not straight as before, but leaning forward for a moment), as if she gives the cyclist a quick push. Only at that moment does the cyclist turn the handlebar to the right to instinctively compensate for the lean to the right which was caused by the push. When the front wheel of thy bicycle enters the road the lean to the right of the cyclist is much steeper than a loss of directional control without a push could possibly have caused in this fraction of second. If she had steered to the right so quickly while going straight then she would have fallen to the left. She falls to the right despite the counteraction of her steering right because the momentum caused to her body by the push was greater than what the countersteering could compensate for. Never mind about the gestures, that happens many times every day, but she was obviously pushed, Why did the prosecution and the court fail to see this quick break of step and leaning over of the body?

    • @jamesflames6987
      @jamesflames6987 11 дней назад

      They must have seen it and come to a different conclusion to you.

  • @tessaducek5601
    @tessaducek5601 11 дней назад +37

    She is disabled and snarky. But i don't think she intended for the woman to die.
    Sounds like an unfortunate accident. If she delibratley shoved her. Then she would absolutely be at fault. Not knowing her obviously i have no idea how she interprets right from wrong.
    Walking away was callous.
    I absolutely feel for the victim and her family. And the poor lady that hit her. That has to be weighing on her.

    • @user-lj4xs4gn8u
      @user-lj4xs4gn8u 11 дней назад +1

      I don’t think he’s no it’s weighing on her.

    • @HypocritesExposd
      @HypocritesExposd 11 дней назад +3

      Her intention is not what is on trial here, it’s her actions.

    • @tessaducek5601
      @tessaducek5601 11 дней назад

      @@user-lj4xs4gn8u
      Probably not. Too bad. Jail is likely when she felt something. It affected her!

    • @tessaducek5601
      @tessaducek5601 11 дней назад +1

      @@HypocritesExposd
      She had to have intent to generate action!

    • @Moodboard39
      @Moodboard39 10 дней назад +1

      She must've miserable and her disabled condition . When she died , she wasn't even thinking, doing her own business .... And angry at the same time ....

  • @payntpot7623
    @payntpot7623 10 дней назад +1

    To quote Ren Gill "Bittersweet Symphony" (The Verve): "Mad how small altercations can define who we are".

  • @OGB2
    @OGB2 15 часов назад +1

    If you look at Auriol's back in the last frame she's visible, it looks like she actually turned towards the bicyclist and leaned towards the roadway. I think she actually pushed her and therefore deliberately caused her death.

  • @kehjeh
    @kehjeh 11 дней назад +44

    I’m a mental health social worker and I work with many people with disabilities who are angry at the world and often attack others due to their antisocial attitudes. They should be held accountable. They most often know right from wrong, and they need others to work to earn the taxes used for their care and activities they participate in daily. Everyone has their problems, but to them, theirs are the only ones that matter. We can’t eliminate disabilities, but their lifestyles are better than ever, so these sorts of people need to be less angry at others and it shouldn’t be tolerated.

    • @skyhawk_4526
      @skyhawk_4526 11 дней назад +11

      This is a great point that a lot of people fail to understand. I'm in law enforcement and have been for about 25 years. I also deal with mentally ill individuals on a daily basis. As you said, nearly all mentally ill people do know the difference between right and wrong and act accordingly, knowing the consequences for criminal behavior. When these people commit crimes, they nearly always know what they are doing is wrong and will result in harm and arrest. High levels of psychosis will override this, but it's actually rare in the grand scheme of things as most people with a diagnosed mental disorder do not actually engage in behaviors that physically harm others because they can appreciate that such actions are harmful in the same way that people without a mental disorder can do so. Plenty of mentally ill people commit crimes, but to excuse the crime by virtue of the defendant's mental illness diagnosis is often defense lawyer propaganda to deceive the courts. I know this by talking to mentally ill suspects after they have committed crimes. Most of the time, they admit knowing their actions were unlawful and therefore wrong. It's only in maybe 1 in 100 cases where a mentally ill person is so psychotic that they truly cannot understand the wrongfulness of their actions. (The same is true for children who commit serious crimes.)

    • @larrydaniels6532
      @larrydaniels6532 11 дней назад

      It is a conundrum, the right of the mentally ill to exist in our society and the right to expect adult decisions from adults.

    • @danielcalderwood6674
      @danielcalderwood6674 9 дней назад

      She's neurologically impaired due to having half her brain removed, not to mention having cerebral palsy. Mental illness is something else entirely.

  • @andrewdewit4711
    @andrewdewit4711 11 дней назад +6

    Here in Japan, pedestrians and cyclists have to share most sidewalks. It’s not pleasant at times, especially because so many people use cellphones while walking/riding, but you learn to deal with the traffic system you have. All lives matter of course, but many cyclists are mothers with small kids.

    • @jamesflames6987
      @jamesflames6987 11 дней назад +2

      Cyclists in Japan go super slow compared to European cities. Also the general politeness of Japanese society means that any sort of confrontation or threatening gestures, etc. is extremely unlikely.

  • @davea4245
    @davea4245 11 дней назад +11

    Why is that a cyclist demands 1 or 1.5 metres of space for safety reasons with cars yet fails to afford the same with pedestrians. If Celia & Auriol made contact that show that Celia was riding recklessly & without any regard to personal safety and much closer to Auriol than 1 metre. This therefore making her the author of her own misfortune.

    • @VE3LIX
      @VE3LIX 10 дней назад

      8 ft wide side walk, seems like more 2 times the space. Auriol had a history of berating people. She like being a bitch.

  • @CriticalLinker
    @CriticalLinker 11 дней назад +3

    If i were cycling towards someone gesticulating and shouting at me, I'd stop, get off my bike and wait for them to go past - I certainly wouldn't try to wobble my way around them.

  • @kdnick8584
    @kdnick8584 11 дней назад +6

    😮This reminds me of something that happened to me. While walking on the sidewalk in NYC, I decided to reach into my purse to get my sunglasses. I took maybe 2 steps to the right and stopped walking. I have a habit of making a Hollywood move and moving my left foot a few inches away from my body to sort of balance myself. As I was reaching in my purse, a man walking to my left, walking behind me, tripped over my foot and fell hard on the sidewalk. He had to 6'5" and 275 pounds. I felt so bad. I assume he was fine because he did get up, but not before he gave me a disgusted look. This reminded me of what happened here.

  • @Simonisms
    @Simonisms 11 дней назад +122

    She pushed an old lady into traffic then went shopping
    That's cold-blooded

    • @darthmcgee2216
      @darthmcgee2216 11 дней назад +12

      Pushed? Lol no that is a wild exaggeration

    • @emmapeel8163
      @emmapeel8163 11 дней назад +4

      @@darthmcgee2216.. "she touched Celia" .. the woman on the bicycle lost control trying to avoid pedestrian who literally forced her off sidewalk by standing in the way.
      but Auriel seems to have many internal issues.
      sad case.

    • @gavinjenkins899
      @gavinjenkins899 11 дней назад +10

      Nobody at any point even the prosecution, said she pushed anyone. You literally just made that up out of thin air.

    • @gavinjenkins899
      @gavinjenkins899 11 дней назад +3

      @@emmapeel8163 Not getting out of the way of an illegal biker while I'm somewhere bikes are not allowed is not "forcing" anything. If you're eating at a cafe sitting at an outdoor table, and a biker starts biking straight at you, are you obligated to jump up, push the table out of the way, and make room? No? Weird. If the biker swerves to avoid your cafe table and hits a car, is that on you? No? Huh, interesting.

    • @MK-jc9ov
      @MK-jc9ov 11 дней назад +4

      ​​@@emmapeel8163
      Given her anger issues and the foul-mouthed order she directed at the victim, I doubt that was merely a touch.

  • @melindadurchholz3738
    @melindadurchholz3738 7 дней назад

    I read about this accident but you had much more info on the pedestrian. It is a difficult situation all around. You did your absolute best to try to be fair. Your admonition at the end allowed this to be a cautionary tale for the hotheads.

  • @tim2024-df5fu
    @tim2024-df5fu 4 дня назад +1

    It's against the law to ride your bike on the pavement. If breaking the law results in someone's death you're at fault, even if it's your own death. Legally this isn't even a brain teaser. She's not guilty of manslaughter.

  • @BlankBrain
    @BlankBrain 11 дней назад +102

    I'm a cyclist. Never ride a bicycle on a pedestrian sidewalk, unless there is specific signage allowing it. Never ride a bicycle across a crosswalk. Either walk the bicycle or ride on the road.

    • @adrianmizen5070
      @adrianmizen5070 11 дней назад +13

      Good advice, but that doesn't justify a pedestrian pushing a cyclist into traffic

    • @gavinjenkins899
      @gavinjenkins899 11 дней назад +17

      @@adrianmizen5070 1) Yes it does if you're pushing them out of the way of crashing into you while they're illegally on the pavement riding into you, 2) Nobody pushed anyone here anyway. So both wrong and irrelevant.

    • @thecatblaster5181
      @thecatblaster5181 11 дней назад +11

      @@gavinjenkins899 we found the Volkswagen driver--it must be you

    • @Como651
      @Como651 11 дней назад +12

      As a cyclist you must know drivers don’t care about your legal right or duty to ride on the road. They will swear at you and tell you to get on the sidewalk and drive you off the road. That street looked way too dangerous for any old lady to be riding her bicycle on regardless of what the law says. The problem is people are selfish and lack comparison and common sense. She could have easily moved to the side to allow the bike by and not hide behind the law to act like a bully.

    • @shaung1719
      @shaung1719 11 дней назад +6

      In many parts of the world it is permitted to ride on the sidewalk and often recommended.

  • @CommentsAllowed
    @CommentsAllowed 11 дней назад +20

    Check out the Last Clear Chance Doctrine. Typically it's used for car accidents and who is liable.
    It basically says that just because someone else is doing something wrong, your duty is to avoid an accident if you have a clear chance to do so. Just because you have the right of way doesn't absolve you from all liability.

    • @shamancredible8632
      @shamancredible8632 9 дней назад +2

      sounds like a dumb as hell concept designed by people who were salty for being clearly and completely in the wrong.

  • @StrawmanBRUCE-cv6ee
    @StrawmanBRUCE-cv6ee 11 дней назад +4

    In my state, Florida, leaving the scene of an accident causing great injury or death, is a 1st degree felony, I think.

  • @Deneteus
    @Deneteus 4 дня назад +1

    Anyone who rides bicycles knows that you stop for anybody or anything in your way. You don't just keep cycling towards someone. She had more than enough time to get off and walk next to the lady. We stop for pets and dogs unless they are chasing us. There should be no reason anyone should be cycling on the sidewalk expecting to not be stopped by pedestrians. In the US we literally have to follow traffic rules. A kid on a bike could tell you that. Adults have no excuses.

  • @Meditations2024
    @Meditations2024 11 дней назад +5

    Cyclists aren't just a danger to pedestrians, they also often violate motor vehicle's right of way too. People seem to believe they're in some law free zone when they get on a bike...
    Funny thing is it's not the kids doing this crap either, it's adults, and usually the older the more obtuse they are to traffic laws.

    • @mrn8645
      @mrn8645 8 дней назад +1

      ''motor vehicle's right of way'' - you just made that up.

  • @linneawhitaker1750
    @linneawhitaker1750 11 дней назад +97

    Another piece exculpatory evidence is the fact that Aurielle is mentally impaired. That factor informs all of her behaviours. She was being accosted by individuals on scooters, teased because she is mentally impaired. I would say that her mental accuity is that of a 7/8 year old child. Her motivation was immediate, no mens rea. Plus the failed police investigation, which could not determine and gave no evidence to support the legality of the victim riding her bicycle on the pavement. The case could not be tried because the investigation was improper, and the court relied on conjecture, not fact, when determining the outcome of the case.

    • @9inchsradius
      @9inchsradius 11 дней назад

      Irrelevant, a person still died.

    • @cknut-rw2dm
      @cknut-rw2dm 11 дней назад +14

      I agree. She cannot be held to standards of what a “normal” person would know or do because she was not a normal person.

    • @alucard6919
      @alucard6919 11 дней назад

      She gets the tard card. Google Chris Chan.

    • @mEnTL32
      @mEnTL32 11 дней назад +13

      Agreed. Doctor is way off on this one, and the comments are staggering. A half-blind disabled person waved at someone and killed them? Give me a break. Tragic accident, nothing more.

    • @Oakleaf700
      @Oakleaf700 11 дней назад +11

      @@cknut-rw2dm If she's not ''normal'' why is she allowed out unaccompanied? Why hasn't she a carer to protect the public from her rages?

  • @androidemulator6952
    @androidemulator6952 8 дней назад +1

    Have just viewed the security camera footage on other websites- shows a little more camera angle - Auriol pivots body to push woman on bicycle into traffic. A danger to society ! ;(

  • @charmcitytoe
    @charmcitytoe 10 дней назад +10

    As a caretaker of 2 profoundly Autistic sisters, I can empathize with Auriol Grey. I have often seen my sisters "misinterpret" situations and actions by others. Their version of events is often exaggerated in comparison with my own. I have had one of them panic at "almost getting hit" in parking lots, when a vehicle passes closer than normal, even though I always maintain my place as the traffic-facing walker. I have not even noticed the car when one of them grabs my arm and exclaims, "I almost got hit!" My point being that perception is so very individual, that I would find it difficult to adjudicate such a case.
    As a driver, rider and traffic observer; I can also very much understand what happened to Ms. Celia, God rest her Soul. As a rider of two-wheeled vehicles, I can speak personally to not understanding what people may be thinking when they are interacting with me. Not wanting trouble seems that it would have been the cause of her reaction as she veered away, only to be met with a lightpole that seems to have gone unnoticed by the Crown and Ms. Grey. The angle does not make my analysis exact, but I have been in similar situations. Celia goes to make sure that she avoids Auriol, suddenly realizes her trajectory to the pole and instinctively continues turning right. Tragedy is the only thing that's left to happen.
    Years of experience for me (including 5 years in law enforcement) have given me the instinct to let things happen. Maintain your lane and perhaps you will live to tell your side of the story. But that's not in everyone's nature. I know this because I have to fight that very instinct on several occasions. I don't want to hurt anyone, anywhere at any time. However, I don't want to die alone in the woods after being cut off by someone who is pissed off with my existence. I'm sure that Celia would have made a different choice if she had known the outcome beforehand. (I guess? Maybe?).
    With all that said (tl:dr). I would have supported the conviction, due to the contact made, which probably did not convince Celia that she was doing the right thing. I would however, have recommended some sort of suspended sentence in lieu of mental health treatment and study. I am fully aware of how dangerous mental disability can be if not acknowledged and treated. Getting to the bottom of Auriol's issues can likely prevent something similar happening again; with her or someone else. That's my long story and I'm sticking to it. :) Very interesting case. Thanks Doc! 👍

  • @clayton56tube
    @clayton56tube 11 дней назад +138

    I'm a lifelong cyclist, usually sticking to the sidewalks, I think it's the cyclist's responsibility to avoid hazards and think ahead. I've also had people strike me and pretend to strike me (which is assault) and avoiding them is part of the responsibility,

    • @Jeff-sp7bg
      @Jeff-sp7bg 11 дней назад +23

      You ride a bike on the sidewalk? That's absolutely asinine. Jesus christ dude

    • @poindextertunes
      @poindextertunes 11 дней назад +19

      @@Jeff-sp7bgcry about it

    • @Ja_Mes
      @Ja_Mes 11 дней назад +2

      @@poindextertunesyou’re alone. Or your girl is not HWP. Prove me wrong.

    • @powerhouse884
      @powerhouse884 11 дней назад +22

      @@Jeff-sp7bg No is not, specially if it’s a wide sidewalk with no pedestrians. Much better to avoid a Car accidents in roads that don’t provide a bike lane.

    • @jeffreybrewer8649
      @jeffreybrewer8649 11 дней назад +14

      @@Jeff-sp7bg It depends. I am a daily cyclist in a large city. Generally I ride on the roadway, which is where I should be, or certainly on a bike path when available. There are places where the roadway is simply too dangerous to ride -- tight roadway with fast moving cars, open grids on a bridge, really poor road condition. At these times I WILL use the sidewalk, it is not normal, and at all times, I take responsibility when doing so.
      Roadways are constructed with the foresight for use by cars, sometimes there is simply a gap in the design that precludes bicycles.

  • @jamesflames6987
    @jamesflames6987 11 дней назад +6

    How on earth can a case get to court and no one be able to figure out what the law actually is?

    • @Chamdar17
      @Chamdar17 19 часов назад

      Exactly 💯
      "Show me the person, I'll figure out a crime."

  • @John_Falcon
    @John_Falcon 6 дней назад +1

    Self defense is not manslaughter, even if you might be handicapped.

  • @flyingdutchmanindustries5877
    @flyingdutchmanindustries5877 5 дней назад

    So sad :(
    For both of those women, and for the others that have been the target of verbal offenses. She is, undoubtedly, difficult to deal with. Where is her family in all this?!?
    So sad :(

  • @michaelbeltran2969
    @michaelbeltran2969 11 дней назад +15

    truly a tragic incident. nice analysis btw.

  • @bthomson
    @bthomson 11 дней назад +148

    The bullies from before made a mind set of grievance. Imo this is a part of the tragedy.

    • @jayclark8284
      @jayclark8284 11 дней назад +18

      I feel the same. If this woman lived in Bali, she would not receive any bullying in the community, and her hostility levels would never have ramped up. It is a bloody tragedy all round and I feel for everyone involved and affected, including the poor driver.

    • @natashamcmullen6559
      @natashamcmullen6559 11 дней назад +12

      Was she actually bullied though?
      I think there's a more likely possibility that she was the bully
      People would ride their bikes, she would try to take over the entire footpath and she would refer to all interactions as bullying.
      I think she often tries to force bikes off the sidewalk and often shoves them. This is just the first time it resulted in death

    • @jayclark8284
      @jayclark8284 11 дней назад +4

      @@natashamcmullen6559so you think a 46 year old mentally and physically disabled women hasn't endured a lifetime of bullying? I'm not excusing her from all culpability, but it cannot be dismissed as a factor... and she did end up staying in jail for a while. If you think modern English culture (and particularly its youth) could hold a candle to the level of kindness and empathy of the Balinese, you obviously haven't been here. My point is she never would have ended up that hostile living here🙏

    • @xixi560
      @xixi560 11 дней назад +2

      To be clear, I went to.. well I won't say which primary school. I have equal fault, or credit regarding her death (as the bullies, or as the disgusting land whale). Maybe the bullies wouldn't have bullied if I didn't go to that primary school many years ago on the other side of the world. Everything is part of this tragedy, this tragedy is part of everything.

    • @miavos3610
      @miavos3610 11 дней назад +1

      I agree. She was always on the defense.

  • @stanettiels7367
    @stanettiels7367 8 дней назад

    I’m British and as far as I’m aware - and we were taught this in school during cycling classes - that you’re not supposed to ride on a pavement and if a pedestrian is using the pavement, they have priority over the cyclist.

  • @perkins1439
    @perkins1439 4 дня назад +2

    The lady on the bicycle could have stopped but she didn't and it was a freak accident

  • @bazyt1
    @bazyt1 11 дней назад +94

    Watched the BBC report when this news first aired -- a cyclist goes right past the reporter, on the pavement...

    • @agostinodublino1387
      @agostinodublino1387 11 дней назад +15

      I've read that in that street they are supposed to share the pavement with pedestrian- so it's legal

    • @bobl1769
      @bobl1769 11 дней назад +27

      Bicycles, except when ridden by children, should be on the road, if on the sidewalk cyclist, need to dismount. This cyclist was riding on the sidewalk at her own risk.

    • @OptimusSatanas
      @OptimusSatanas 11 дней назад +16

      @@bobl1769 You have dumb logic. If someone rides on the sidewalk, it doesnt mean that any unlawful act that occurs to them is their fault.

    • @CankleCankle
      @CankleCankle 11 дней назад +13

      @@bobl1769that’s stupid, why put yourself in the path of traffic when there is a sidewalk. People need to be more courteous.

    • @Lily-ld7fn
      @Lily-ld7fn 11 дней назад +9

      @@OptimusSatanas The pedestrian has right of way in those situations.

  • @MegaLivingIt
    @MegaLivingIt 11 дней назад +80

    Cross country biking has been my sport and as far as rules in America go, to my knowledge bikes are vehicles and we belong in the street with traffic and obeying the laws. If traffic was very dangerous for me, I was WALKING my bike on the sidewalk with deference given to pedestrians.🌿

    • @samhilton4173
      @samhilton4173 11 дней назад +4

      Doesn't mean you can assault them.

    • @judithgannon5642
      @judithgannon5642 11 дней назад +7

      Same here. I was riding my bike as transportation for awhile as a 60 something. There were stretches that the traffic was too busy for me and I went up on the sidewalk--- unless I saw a pedestrian or one entered the walk. Then I stopped and walked it past them. Seems incredible rudeness as well as reckless to ride past a walker.

    • @proprietarycurez8463
      @proprietarycurez8463 11 дней назад +7

      Don't you think its more dangerous for a cyclist to ride on the road than it is for a pedestrian sharing a sidewalk with a bike?

    • @feleciaclemons5074
      @feleciaclemons5074 11 дней назад +1

      ​@@samhilton4173duh! I don't get from the original comment that they think they can or would..

    • @marlenestewart7442
      @marlenestewart7442 11 дней назад +6

      @@proprietarycurez8463 So it may seem like a simple question, but you have to think it through. A bicyclist is in a vulnerable position relative to the motor vehicles on the street, especially when outnumbered. But all the pedestrians are vulnerable to even 1 large metal machine moving at a speed many times faster than they within very close proximity. If the bicyclist cannot ride in the street, it does not give him/her the right to elevate the risks for the pedestrians.

  • @shanetheundertaker8474
    @shanetheundertaker8474 5 дней назад

    This is my home town and I remember it happening.
    This happened outside the mental health centre in Huntingdon , Cambs.
    It was an awful incident and should never have happened.
    I hope their families are doing okay.

    • @shanetheundertaker8474
      @shanetheundertaker8474 5 дней назад

      She was guilty of manslaughter.
      If not for her actions.
      The road is a ring road circling our town.
      The traffic does not exceed 30 miles per hour and there was a pedestrian crossing around 12 feet from the incident.
      This should never have happened.

  • @paulpease8254
    @paulpease8254 9 дней назад

    I’ve thought on so many occasions when on a sidewalk that we are so trusting that the person passing by won’t do something to cause us to crash or fall into the oncoming traffic. Case in point.

    • @shamancredible8632
      @shamancredible8632 8 дней назад

      Case and point quit illegally riding bikes on sidewalks and then whining when something like this happens

    • @paulpease8254
      @paulpease8254 8 дней назад

      @@shamancredible8632 I meant us as in people generally, I don’t ride bikes illegally on a sidewalk. But the exact same thing could happen to a pedestrian. One trip or shove is all it takes.

  • @graemejohnson6709
    @graemejohnson6709 11 дней назад +7

    Bummer they don't have traffic laws figured out over there. A bicycle is a wheeled vehicle and should be following the same traffic laws as cars.

    • @granthropologist3622
      @granthropologist3622 3 дня назад

      Thank you. The situation is madness. I’m a vulnerable, disabled pedestrian and I have been cycled into by speeding pavement cyclists four times in ten years. I have nightmares about bikes and rarely go out alone on foot. It is difficult to read all the defenders of this kind of behaviour.

  • @dyates6380
    @dyates6380 11 дней назад +35

    LOL. I love the doctor's dry, witty humor.

  • @ariannawhite2844
    @ariannawhite2844 10 дней назад +1

    I feel like the biggest part of this that no one has mentioned is the fact that bicyclists have no protected space to ride safely so they are faced with the option to a. Ride in the street with aggressive drivers and risk being hit or B. Carefully navigate the sidewalk wherever it is legal to do so.
    Commuting via bicycle is undeniably more eco friendly, more considerate to people who HAVE to drive (I.e. those going a longer distance or those who cannnot physically ride a bicycle or walk) by limiting unnecessary traffic congestion and/or parking. Yet EVERY SINGLE DAY I am honked at and edged of the road by drivers who yell out their window “get off the road” and flip me off as they drive past the signs that “Share the Road”.
    It is legal here (in Massachusetts) to ride on the sidewalks, but you have the responsibility of not hitting or endangering pedestrians (hence the under 5mph speed limit Celia was going). Yet EVERY SINGLE DAMN DAY I am also yelled at and flipped off my the pedestrians that I pass if I am on the sidewalk (going snail speed). The options for me are to either deal with everyone hating me for just trying to get to work on the only mode of transportation I have at my disposal or walk an hour and arrive at work sweaty.
    The solution is not to just criminalize bicyclists it is to actually pay attention and care about the danger they are forced to put themselves in and, if you really want them out of the street AND off the sidewalk, CREATE A GOD DAMNED BIKE LANE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @FifiR3
      @FifiR3 9 дней назад

      That is a fair and overlooked point. Being stuck behind a bicycle holding up traffic is frustrating, but then I ask myself "so where do u want them to go?" as usually there is no pavement or side lane in these circumstances. The cyclist usually moves out of the way as soon as an alternative presents itself - demonstrating they would be considerate if they had more options.

  • @criticalevent
    @criticalevent 6 дней назад

    A local mentally handicapped man had caused a number of traffic accidents by jumping out from behind power poles and causing cars to brake suddenly or veer into opposing traffic. He was known to cops but they would not do anything about it. Eventually someone who wasn't paying attention hit him and it was his caretakers that were found responsible for not providing proper supervision.