New Heart Scan Data for 64 Participants with high LDL Cholesterol on a Ketogenic Diet
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Dave interviews Professor Matthew Budoff, Chair of Preventive Cardiology at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center and Principal Investigator of the Lean Mass Hyper-Responder (LMHR) Study.
LMHR are individuals who exhibit extremely high LDL cholesterol (LDL-C) on a ketogenic diet, along with low triglycerides and high HDL-C, indications of good metabolic health. This prospective study aims to assess atherosclerotic plaque development in 100 LMHR using the most sensitive non-invasive imaging technology available, a coronary artery calcium scan with coronary CT angiography.
In the interview, Dave discusses the findings from the baseline scans of the 64 LMHR recruited to date (August 2022). Highlights include that: Participant a mean age is 53 years; Have been on a ketogenic diet with extremely high LDL-C (mean of 233 mg/dl) for an average of 4 years; And, consistent with prior literature (below), LDL-C levels were normal (mean 135 md/dl) prior to their ketogenic diet, they were negative for monogenetic familial hypercholesterolemia, and were indeed leaner than the average American (mean BMI 22.6 kg/m2).
Given the participants’ age and duration of time with LDL-C levels in the top 0.1% of the population, one might expect a substantial amount of plaque in their coronary arteries. However, about two-thirds of participants have 0 Total Plaque Score; and, across all 64 participants, the highest plaque score was 8, out of a 45 scale. Professor Budoff reports the plaque findings are “much lower than I anticipated” (4:45).
DISCLAIMER: This video is based on unpublished and preliminary data that should not be used for the basis of clinical decision making.
Prior studies:
LMHR cohort, Current Developments in Nutrition:
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LMHR case study, low-saturated fat:
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Lipid Energy Model:
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Dave’s cholesterol drop n = 1:
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Dave Feldman went from noticing his LDL was high on keto to organizing and running this scientific study to help us all. That is curiosity and science in action! Amazing work.
(Nobel Prize..... sshhhh)
Dave says a keto diet involves meat and saturated fat - it doesn’t necessarily
@@michaelashley2855 no meat is fine but I think having some saturated fat is necessary.
I've been eating 'wrong' all of the 52 years and yet all my arteries were totally clean when I developed sarcoidosis (most likely a flu aftermath) and I got studied extensively... I've been eating salt and fat without reservations and yet my BP was 104/67 on my last test 🤣
😂😂😂😂 I'm Carnivore and my BP went down 20 points! Triglycerides went down 90 points! My pre diabetes is going away Get! Get your facts straight guys. Having a higher cholesterol is safer then it being lower. It's the HDL you should be worried about especially if it's low.
I am 81 with an LDL in the mid 250s. My Dr. did every cardiac test known in my area to prove to me that I needed to be on a statin. All tests were normal and my CAC score was 2. I have been on Keto since November 2019.
You are playing with fire 🔥 with an LDL that high.
@videogazer801 obviously. That's why all of her cardiac tests were perfect.
I was prediabetic; I went into a keto diet about 60% carnivore 40% veggies. I have all my life have had elevated LDL but good HDL and Tryglicerides. On keto my LDL went even higher again my HDL went high and try got lower. My dr wanted to put me on statins, and I refused. After several requests she finally gave me the order for the CAC. My score was 0 and everything in my cardio vasculatur looks normal. I forgot to tell you that I am 66 years old, and never been overweight, normal blood pressure. However, diabetes runs in my family as well as HTN. So far , I am a happy camper, and my A1C returned to normal.
I just feel it is not just these blood numbers but something more to do with genes too. But there should be more data. I think people will choose to eat what they want to eat anyways. But having more research in this area to give more data should convince scientists not to simply look at numbers but find real cause of problems which I find frustrating that every scientist selling something today will not dig into to discover and tell us. Some people may not do well on certain diet and some will and these numbers will not determine I feel it will be MORE and that is what I am curious to see science discover.
Your story is my story exactly, I’m just a few years older. I too am a happy camper. And isn’t good health what everyone wants, especially seniors??
Keri is 60 to 80% fat tho
Amazing stuff! Doctor’s recommendation is based on outdated science.
Same here couple weeks ago Dr. recomended me take small dose of statin and I kindly reject the idea because my totall was 255 but hdl is good at 50. I discovered keto and IF 6 years ago my hbaic went from 6 to 5.9 winthin a month of keto. 6 years later it drop down to 5.7
As a professional cameraman for over 35 years and have followed many native tribes and native people I can definitely say that meat and fat do not cause heart disease at all.
I have come across native peoples that do eat a high carbohydrate diet but they only eat it before going on a run or going hunting(which can last for days)like the Hadza(they eat honey or roots) in Tanzania or Tarahumara Indian runners in Mexico(Maize drink). Make note though that both tribes do not mix carbohydrates and meat/fat together at the same time and their staple diet is meat and fat, always eaten by itself.
I've eaten meat and fat for 57 years and my recent(2021) CT Angio was clear and zero 0 calcium score.
Thank you so very much for sharing. Incredible insight, especially not mixing carbs with meats & fats.
@@johnhern1975 Welcome. Yes, that's an oddity that I've never seen native tribes do, mixing fuel sources, may well cause problems.
The Vegan community have always hijacked the Tarahumara Indian runners in Mexico as some sort of super humans fueled on carbohydrates, which is only partly true. They also eat Chicken and Fish in the evenings or when there's no running about as they use the complete Amino acid profile in Chicken and Fish to repair their muscles but they don't drink their maize drink then. The thing that makes me laugh though is that you will never see a native Hadza warrior in Tanzania say"Oh trim the fat off, I don't want to get heart disease! they actually inspect the animal and if it's not fat(Fat Baboon Bum)they get disappointed!. Hahaha.
Uh, what's the average lifespans of native and indigenous peoples?
@@terryjackson9395 You cannot really talk about"Average Lifespans" in native people because they face much more dangerous environments than we do and also their births and deaths are not really recorded as such. I have seen natives that look elderly by their advanced sarcopenia and some that look at least in their 60,s but still climb huge tall trees and are very agile. On the whole, I would say they are healthier far into old age but they do get sick and do have injuries and they will make their way to medical outposts for basic treatment.
There was even one tribe in the Amazon that took poison once they perceived themselves to be"Old" and couldn't hunt anymore or because they were injured or sick.
@@littleyummy1517 . I didn't bring them up as an example, you did. Bottom line their average lifespans are short. And inuit still to this day live a lot shorter than Canadians who live a few hundred miles away.
There's plenty of research on methionine and ACM. There can be no controlled studies on human populations with diet (just as there never have been any on smoking... it's impossible). Meta data and all other research shows high animal protein shortens lifespan, and they know the mechanisms for this. It's great to lose weight, but you'll live longer losing weight on low or zero animal protein, the research is fairly conclusive.
I went full keto 8 months then 4 months carnivore. Today, my lipids were like this: in one year, total cholesterol went from 296 to 475, HDL from 88 to 109, triglycerides from 104 to 59, LDL from 191 to 364, VLDL from 17 to 3. Doctor was ready to inject meds and statins, very concerned. I told him I was fine. I’m 61, non smoker non drinker, I run 65 miles a weak and muscular with 6 pack abs from weight training. I agreed to get a CAC score and check LDL particle size test. Doc was clueless on nutrition as he asked if I was B12 deficient. I said meat is the best source of B12, but Vegans have a problem with B12. That exchange sealed it for me, not to take advice from that Doctor. I’ll healthy and fit and eat the most nutritional foods. What do you all think.
Got into a conversation with a guy while walking last week about carnivore and cholesterol and when I stated that I was not concerned about cholesterol as it was a poor marker for overall health compared to others and needed to be considered in context, he laughed at me and said since he was a physician and the medical literature did not support that I was totally wrong and shouldn't be talking about this to people. Told him it was a good thing for both of us that he would never be my doctor.........
@@seanveach950 doctors are educated by highly miss-lead in the science of cholesterol. You keep preaching what you are preaching. I try to convert every person to carnivore diet
@@alanlierz3745 I hear you. Keep up the good fight, right there with you!
I think youre running too much. I read a study showing older men who ran more than 450 minutes a week actually have more plaque build in their arteries because of the hours and hours of stress put on the heart from running so much. Peronally if I were you Id cut back on the jogging a bit and focus on putting on muscle, which is very important for someone your age.
@@TravisBiggie this
I don’t think I am overstating it that Dave Feldman should be considered for a Nobel prize in medicine or the equivalent.
I agree.
I second that 👌🏻
YES!!!
Just for his patience in working with these overpaid arrogant dangerous fools he deserves a prize
@@freemocean489 😂 true !
I've been keto for about 10 months now. Reversed type 2 diabetes, triglycerides down, lost weight etc... But? My doctor only wanted to discuss my LDL. I had to explain to her why it isn't concerning to me in the least. *She of course wanted to add a statin. I said never.
Very smart. But then again you are not owned by big Pharma.
Still using her?
@@imadogsass6717 In my rural area there are few doctors and none that seem low carb or well informed - so? I am stuck. But? I'll stick to my guns regarding medications etc.
Having this discussion with health care providers is tiresome.
Like you, I have lowered my Triglycerides, bettered my HDL, and reversed my T2D but the doctors want to push statins because of elevated LDL.
you didnt reverse type 2 diabetes, your diabetes is probably worse atm
I wish I had known about this study earlier!! I've been keto for a year and z half. My total cholesterol has gone from 230's before to 518 after. Ldl 150's before to 422 after, triglyceride 150's before 68 after, and hdl 53 before to 72 after. My docs are freaking out, pushing hard for Statins. I refuse. My bp is down, my weight is down 80 lbs.
ur on the right track
I’ve been refusing statins for awhile. Maybe have my best interests, but I don’t trust the meds.
I have to wonder....if you stick to keto...just what those numbers will look like a few more years down the road. I suspect that they will all fall into a normal range once your body heals completely from all the crappy food we've eaten all our lives.
You guys are Al in a a land hating on statins and big pharma eating yourself to early death
@@seanfrank4158 yes typically on keto they go up then down over time.
This would be buried on page 157 of most cholesterol studies or thrown out totally because it won't sell statins.
If this result came from a pharmaceutical drug, it would be immediately paraded around promoting that drug.
18 months on keto, four eggs and bacon everyday, Eat steak several times a week, I also have a lot of vegetables in my diet, less than 75 carbs a day.
My blood work is looking better each time I have it done, bad cholesterol of 116 now, where before it was over 150.
75 and feel like I`m 55.
75 cards or less? More like 50 carbs or less for keto, probably closer to 30 max.
@@shaunre8363 most days it is less than 50 carbs, I also burn about 3,000 calories, walk, run tens miles a day, probable could use 75 carbs a day.
Bad cholesterol is an outdated idea. What are your APOBs
@@marcdaniels9079 I agree cholesterol markers are outdated.
Do not know about my APOB`s, but my triglycerides is 42, A1c is 5.1, I can live with numbers like that.
Cut the vegetables out and you will feel 35
Pick me! I’m on low carb / mostly keto diet. Since I started it 6 or so months ago, my total cholesterol shot up to 308. Total in March of this year (7 months ago) was 248. My LDL rose to 221, non HDL is 238, HDL is 70, Triglycerides are 100. My dr literally got mad at me and acted like he was done with me when I refused statins.
i had similar situation. while my ldl was as high as 230+ for many years and I refused to take statins, my doctors were very unhappy. Their minds were imprinted that patients with high LDL would die soon unless they took medicines. I still survive with my extremely high LDL for more than 10 years without any medicines.
Thank you noth for all of your work. Am on KETO/Carnivore and LDL is 172.
Am 78 and still hike in the Rockies.
Total C - 288
HDL 50
LDL 224
Tri 72
Went to my Dr appt regarding my Cholesterol...as expected, he thought it was horrid. (I am 52 yr old male - 5'9", 246lbs down to 175lbs)
Apparently, in Canada...the Tri/HDL ratio is NOT even a 'thing'...it's Total C/HDL ratio is what they look at, as their baseline. Then he ridiculed me for believing 'any youtuber' with sketchy credentials and that I need to be realistic on my views and how in 10 years I will be a 20% risk for heart disease.
Oh and the dr said red meat causes Cancer, and eggs are a poison and high protein/fat with low carb is deadly. He DID mention that I should be eating nuts, grains and lots of vegetables for fibre and that our bodies NEED fibre and carbs to stay healthy -- I eat meat, eggs, some dairy and some fruit - thats my main diet these days - feel great as well.
Needless to say, I think he needs to reevaluate the current Cholesterol PROVEN research statistics. Basically, he called me an idiot for believing in anything other than a shitty diet that made me fat/inflamed and miserable.
I left on bad terms with him - also, he wouldn't give me a CAC test because there is too much radiation - so he agreed to do a heart stress test and it will show how my heart muscles work during a stressed type exam - not sure the value here.
So disheartening. :(
UPDATE: I did the heart stress test to determine any artery blockage - results came back perfect. So, I guess he will focus on other things that will cause me death with a low carb, high animal fat diet.
Well the thing is stress tests can only show you a 70% blockage….so anything less it won’t show. Your triglycerides are excellent so is your HDL, so the issue is your LDL which u do want below 130 to be perfect but even if u get to like 150-160 with your balance of lipids it’ll be better than the majority of population.
You should see if you can diet and exercise and see if it’ll go down. If never really been able to lower my LDL thru diet. And I’ve done it all mines at 190 which my doc says is to high and put me on crestor, which has horrible sides
Not sure where you are located in Canada….my husband and I went to Minot, ND and had a CAC for $60US
@@gailruf4141 Thx Gail...I am in Toronto. I may look into doing that - thx! :)
Since the 9 months that I originally posted that, I am still animal based diet - I have even less fruit (an apple once every few weeks - or similar)...I have added more butter and salt to all my meats. I weigh around 171-173lbs - floating average. I even added an extra meat/egg meal every other day - I found I was slowly still dropping weight - which I didn't want to lose any more. (no exercise other than walking 6K steps a day). Feeling great even with a Cholesterol ratio that isn't 'ideal' to the dr.
An interesting note: I 'added' popcorn as a treat on friday nights - and I am noticing frequent headaches and some hand stiffness. So...i am dropping that again to see if it improves. All the best in 2023!
EBCT has lower radiation. I got my scan on an EBCT machine in Newport Beach California, self-pay.
You can pass a stress test and still have CAD (Problems)
Dr. Nadir Ali, Cardiologist would be an excellent addition to include in these studies. What he has experienced and seen in his practice by implementing a Nutritional Ketogenic lifestyle is eye opening and further supports these and other findings. ✨
I thought the exact thing, these brillant researchers would welcome others qith similar ideology and their years of experience.
Agreed. They should collaborate for future projects.
Dr Ali is my cardiologist - love him-Was in healthcare for 35 years in ICU
being a critical thinker is of utmost importance
I love the way he thinks
We've all been raised with wrong(harmful) dietary guidelines.
I had a scan right after starting carnivore. My score was 11. Three years later, I had another . My score was .32 - basically zero. I was 66 years old at the time of the second test. lDL was about 232 the entire time. Total cholesterol was around 305.
Why eat a high methionine diet when it's proven to shorten average lifespan and increase aging?
How was your triglyceride?
@@tomg5405 That is the question! 👍
Aren’t CAC scores done with radiation? I would rather just do what I would do if I was told I had a bad CAC score, than get exposed to unnecessary radiation.
@@HappyLife-wv5msCAC radiation is 10x lower that the previous generation of machines.
Awesome, brilliant work Dave. A study with no confounders and presenting the data accurately. This will go a long way in establishing the LMHR and LEM!
Dave , so excited to see this. I am 65 year old male foodie who has used the Keto / Atkins diet off and on since the 70’s to control my weight. I have never been obese but rather up and down 30 lbs. or so throughout my adult life. Currently I added fasting and have been able to take it up a notch and keep my weight under control for the past three years. I am in better physical heath now than in my 30’s, the only problem is my high lipid scores. My doctor is not buying of this info and wants to put me on meds to control my scores. I hope your research will once and for all put an end to my and her worries. Nice work, THANK YOU
Don't take advice from women, because they will kill you before they admit they or the authority they cling to are wrong
What's your CAC Score ?
I've been reversing mine.
I have been a vegan for 8 years , never been obese and never struggling with my health. And not taking part in an abusive industry destroying our planet. You are clearly delusional. Meat is not healthy and not curing your unhealthy body. Maybe the lack of the unhealthy habits you did before is making you feel better, not the meat.
@@Libb-oleffub I was a former vegan myself for several years under Dr Essyltyn's diet and I was educated under the national C.H.I.P. at my local hospital twice. I learned a lot but I also learned that it wasn't doing enough for me even though my blood cholesterol fell like a rock.
I got a CAC Score and it was 299 then 5 years later it was 660. Very disturbing 😕.
I was told about Linus Pauling reversing heart disease and I was off...
Twenty months later that score came down to 458.
The question is what's your CAC Score?
@@SET12DSP Hi, what diet are you on and for how long? Please share your comparison scores. I've heard other people say that they have managed to reduce their plaque. I had a CAC last year at age 65 and mine was 0. Nothing to do with diet though. Thank you.
As a 70 y/o male, great news. Doing keto since 2015, I signed up to be a part of the study, but was only excluded because I was diagnosed with T2D in 2008. Now, I'll just cheer the LMHR team on and give the studies to my primary care physician who thinks I'm going to die any day now even though my calcium score is very low.
Dale.. my wife and I started Keto, dropped 55+ lbs... blood sugar now between 4.2 and 5.7. No longer take any Diabetic pills, feel great. All good!
High methionine diets are proven to shorten lifespan
@@terryjackson9395 Could you direct me to your proof?
@@dalemerrick1253
3rd try... They literally keep deleting response (rolls eyes), those 'folks' are super paranoid we'll say something against them. LOL.
You can do search of phrases within the quotes:
"Low methionine ingestion by rats extends life span"
"Lowered methionine ingestion as responsible for the decrease in rodent mitochondrial oxidative stress"
Also..
"Lower carbohydrate diets and all-cause and cause-specific mortality: a population-based cohort study"
"Low-carbohydrate diets and all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies"
"The ratio of macronutrients, not caloric intake, dictates cardiometabolic health, aging, and longevity"
"Legumes: the most important dietary predictor of survival in older people"
Honestly, at age 80 you've already done great, brother... amino acid ratios probably not going to matter much at this point I'd think.
The most important thing is probably daily exercise like walking & weights, using cronometer to make sure you get enough nutrients like magnesium, keeping your immune system strong with natural sunlight and mushrooms, and getting k2 every day to avoid stroke.
(BTW There's no absorb-able animal source of K2, have to eat greens and convert it, or eat natto, or just supplement it)
@@dalemerrick1253 3rd try. My responses keep getting deleted.
My cholesterol was above 240 for the last 20 years, my doctor has been trying to put me statins for over 10 years. I did carnivore for 90 days and had blood work done, my cholesterol went down to 190. I’m scheduling a cac test soon.
I’d love to hear how the CAC scan goes!
What was your CAC score? Mine was 435 at age 65 and then 530 at age 67 so only getting worse! Thanks to 35 years of oatmeal and low fat food?
@@dwights1464 205, with most being in the LAD. I’m 52, but recently had 1 friend die of a heart attack at 49, and another just had a triple bypass at 55. I’m trying to avoid both scenarios
@@jeremyking3986 When I got my first CAC scan, I immediately got on a statin. Unfortunately, it took several tries (due to leg tingling) and a different cardiologist to finally arrive at 5mg rosuvastatin and what may be even more important (for my case), 10 mg ezetimibe daily. It is not a statin. Based on information online from videos interviewing Dr. Thomas Dayspring (an M.D. and lipidologist who's been interviewed on a number of RUclips channels) I've ignored particle size and LDL cholesterol and focused on particle count. My LDL-P (number of LDL particles, not their size or the cholesterol they carry which is LDL-C) has declined from over 1413 ("normal" is less than 1,000) to 734 now. The drop only took a couple of months but I've been on the drugs for almost 4 years. The drugs are supposed to stabilize unstable plaque also. Although my calcium score went up, hopefully it was calcifying the plaque that had not yet been stabilized. Unfortunately, my A1c is now 6.0 and not sure if it's the cardio drugs or junk food. I'm going to cut out the sweets and a lot of carbs and see what happens next. Best of luck to you!
@@dwights1464 If you eat lots of refined carbs there is your answer. If you eat mainly animal fat in your low fat diet there is the answer too. All that is not recommended in the old food pyramid and not the new recommendations as well.
You could have a genetic predisposition for high cholesterol called familial hypercholesteremia which is no joke and reduces life span by 15 - 30 years when untreated. And yes it gets worse with time, it is a slow progressing disease if you don‘t do something. There is no cure for the damage done to your arteries, you can only stop further progression or reduction in size of the plaques, mostly with statins. And there is a study of a vegan diet having achieved that. That‘s why saying don‘t worry about high LDL-C, high triglycerides, high blood pressure, don‘t get treatment is so harmful. Because once you realize you should have, it is to late.
I’m 62 been on keto for 3 yrs. Lift heavy weights 2 times a week, drink a cruciferous smoothie daily, intermediate fast most every day. My blood work came back and my doctor said it looked good just keep doing what I’ve been doing
im interested on your cruciferous juice. how to make it?
@@banjobandasan3725You blend veggies that are cruciferous. Not hard to understand. Maybe fruit for sweetness. I doubt bbb just blends cruciferous vegetables.
be careful with the oxalates they can give you kidney stones
A long road before it is mainsteam, but this admittedly premlimary study is very hopeful and relieves a lot of my anxiety...as a 76 y/o male. All my numbers have become great on keto over the past few years, except some bit of concern about the super high ldl. This gives a lot of support to those who have plausibly argued high ldl was not dangerous in the context of keto, and now we are seeing hard evidence. Wow!
This is very far from hard evidence. The vast body of evidence points to it still being a concern. Try a whole foods lower saturated fat higher soluble fiber higher nuts and seeds diet, and you’ll be surprised to see all your good numbers remain good, but your LDL will come down as well.
Higher LDL in men over 60 is associated with longer life. But of course Association does not mean causation.
Being low carb/keto your LDL will be the large fluffy particles that do not get stuck in the arteries. Higher reading, but healthy lipoproteins. I am guessing your triglycerides are very low.
The high carb diets that lower your LDL often do so by creating more of the tiny, sticky particles that get stuck and clog the arteries. So lower readings, higher risk. Higher triglycerides.
Look up the Korean Cholesterol Mortality Study published in 2019. Over 12 million subjects. No money from big pharma or the Adventist controlled food industry. People with Cholesterol between 200 and 240 live the longest. After that the increase in all deaths is barely noticeable until 300. Even then far from impressive.
Then look at the all cause death rate for those under 200. It goes up high and fast. This includes suicide and violence, as well as cancer, diabetics and heart disease.
Vegans often have very low cholesterol and very high triglycerides. A mega study out of Europe showed that not only do vegan die earlier, they have earlier onset of dementia. The dementia is also far more severe.
I know this contrasts very much with the Adventist cult study published in North America. But the problem with religion controlled science is that it gets the results the cult masters want. Truth means nothing.
I can not tell you how many times I have read, dispite a healthy vegan diet, such and such died of. Usually very young. Adventist have a lot of control over MSM. Think Kellogg and Post. Cult plus money.
The food pyramid was designed by an expert nutritionalist. But she refused to have her name on it after the senator in charge let his vegan buddies change it to the monstrosity that came out. She warned them if they put it out and people followed it that there would be a massive increase in obesity, diabetics, heart attacks, strokes, depression, dementia, autoimmune disease, cancer, etc. She was right. But instead of admitting their mistake they did the vegan gaslighting thing of blaming the victims of their lies.
The Academy of Nutrition is an Adventist organization. They are the people who have been pushing the vegan diet on babies. When the babies die, they distance themselves from their followers by claiming they did it wrong and pointing out other people starve babies to death. Which is true. Druggies starve their children all the time. But druggies do not virtue signal. Vegans do.
So I suggest you keep doing what you are doing and ignore the evil vegan.
@@Seanonyoutube Nope, nope and nope! I’m curious as to how old you are. I was a strict vegan for 35 years eating exactly as you’ve indicated and exercising most every day. I ate only organic, whole grains, fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds and always, always low fat. Homemade everything. Ground the grain to make my own bread. Certainly no standard American diet! Everything was fine, until it wasn’t. My entire adult life I’ve had high LDL but when I hit my 60’s, all my metabolic numbers went wrong. Gained weight that would not come off though I increased exercising. Glucose numbers spiking after every vegan low-fat meal accompanied by blurry vision. AST/ALT numbers showing borderline fatty liver. Triglycerides going higher every year. I was slowly killing myself.
Switched to low carb, high fat, med-high protein. In one month 15lbs of excess weight came off (though I was actually exercising less at that time). Had blood work done 3 months later and A1C dropped to 5.3. Triglycerides dropped into the 50’s. HDL up 30 points. Fatty liver gone completely. Arthritis inflammation gone. Every year since, my numbers have stayed the same. I take no meds, though keep being pressured to take statins. So, had a CAC done last year (four years after starting low-carb eating) - score was zero.
My point is that the human body is incredibly resilient - until it isn’t. While I don’t think there is one way of eating for every “body”, I know that this way of eating has turned my health around. And when you are in your senior years, good health is everything!
@@WickedLowCarb My numbers were at their worst 6 years ago when I experimented with vegetarian diet and ate LOTS of salads. Trigs and blood sugar skyrocketed and HDL crashed but HDL was "normal"
@@WickedLowCarb 76 y/o male here...similar life experience with diet and outcomes as you.
Carnivore here, five years. Age 68. My LDL is around 230. HDL 80. My CAC score went from 11 in the beginning of eating this way to .32 after three years carnivore.
Did you mean that it went from 11 to 0.32? If so, that is amazing! I had a CAC of 30, at age 68 this past January, so am interested in the clarification. It would be awesome to lower it on the carnivore lifestyle.
I need to drop weight, I to am 68, did you drop weight as well?
I did drop 15 lbs over several months on keto/ketovore. Carbs go straight to my waist, so I really have to be vigilant in avoiding them. Never had that problem until my 50's!
"We want you to continue working with your doctor".... How in the world can that happen when every Dr I know: is owned by Big Pharma, is often anti Keto/Carnivore, is mostly overweight themselves, and want to put you on statins.
Five years Keto/Carnivore, CAC score 0, 63 years old, feel better than in my 30s, no meds. Still looking for a doctor that is not controlled by the system.
He said that because of one thing: liability. He doesn’t want to give “medical advice” because the risk is too great in this litigious society.
@@techhoppy Yes you are right. Unfortunate that everything one says can be held against them.
@@techhoppy Exactly correct. Our system is SO corrupt.
Thanks Dave for all you do! You and Ivar Cummins are true hero's in my eyes!
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My mother has high numbers she is 93!
We need a larger well controlled study. 64 people aren’t enough.. very encouraging though
29 years old LDL 182
Doc recommended statin therapy
3 months meatbased ldl went up one point but trigs went up 100 pts. Most likely due to the cycle of what david explains with how your blood reacts when messing with fasting etc.
Asked doc for a calcium coronary score
All 0’s doc was very surprised
All other metabolic factors are normal
CAC scores won’t show up until you’re like 60… it’s very late stage to show anything… doesn’t mean you’re not damaging yourself
Statins are POISON
How do you expect to detect any coronary calcium at 29 years of age without familial hypercholesteremia?
CAC shows advanced disease which is simply not present at that age.
The mean age of diagnosis of coronary artery disease is around 61 years of age.
Why your doc was surprised - no idea.
Great news! How exciting to be a part of this study. Thank you for the work you are doing!
Regarding the early disclaimer about seeing your doctor, I haven’t seen my old GP in several years. No point, really, since I’m not going to voluntarily change what I eat (95% animal products) now that I feel the best I have in my life (mid-50s) and am able to go without eating for long periods each day. No prescriptions, and won’t voluntarily take any either after being able to quit asthma and allergy meds years ago when I stopped grains, sugar, and vegetable/seed oil, and switched to animal foods. I fixed that; doctors didn’t. Also no interest in blood tests because my numbers are determined by my body. I’m far more likely to die driving a car or riding motorcycles, so my diet is more about supporting endurance and stamina on a daily basis. Nonetheless, it is interesting to keep up with this kind of research and Mr. Feldman.
Dave, Congratulations! Thank you so much for your hard work and dedication. It's amazing what one person can accomplish. The most amazing part for me is that there are huge drug companies that sell cholesterol lowering drugs fighting this information and you were able to succeed.
Well that’s because there are many many studies showing a positive correlation between high apob and CVD. This is one study against many time more that show the opposite is true
I’m still alive after 6yrs carnivore and cholesterol is over 600. I wanted to be on the study but had no previous baseline but my cholesterol was “normal” prior to carnivore diet.
I'm carnivore/high fat, my latest LDL was high, my doctor wants to give me statins. I'm very healthy no liver, kidney, blood pressure and diabetes problems. I said no thanks, she responded that she would document my refusal. Cheers Rosemary Western Australia 73yrs
You are playing with fire 🔥 for ignoring your doctor’s orders. Your life is at risk
I didn’t do the keto diet exactly but I did cut out all obvious carbs (most things contain some carbs), my diet was centred around poultry, salads and low to no carb vegetables, plenty of water and cut out all processed foods. I added in some Pork, Olive Oil (served at room temperature) and increased salt slightly. To begin with my actual A1c was 94, overall Cholesterol was 7.2 and one off blood glucose tests peaked at 22. That was 30 days ago, using the Libre Free blood glucose monitor after 30 days my average Glucose is 5.5 and estimated a1c is down to 38 (5.6%), so far I have lost 2stone 7lbs, resting heart rate is 50, blood pressure is typically 125/70. I am following Professor Roy Taylor’s method for reversing type 2 diabetes, all I can say is so far so good and I believe carbs are the enemy whatever your diet !
Any physician prescribing statins based solely on the LDL number in a basic lipid panel in 2022 is a coward, a quack, or a cowardly quack. Sadly, I was a victim of such quackery for over 20 years until I learned what a CAC test was!
I’m about 4 years into keto and 80 years old, and put my heart under stress with weights regularly without discomfort. I’ll check with my heart doc to see if I have any calcification or other heart problems.
Almost a certainty that you would have some calcification at 80 and without a before keto and after keto, what value would it have?
Yippee! So glad to contribute to this research. Hoping my provider will take a look but not hopeful!
Awesome presentation today at LowCarb USA, Dave! I just opened up my RUclips app to relax for the day and your video popped up in my feed. Really awesome work you’re doing! 🙌🏼
I wish I were an LMHR.. I'd gladly get into this group on principle, just to help further the science. Interestingly, my total cholesterol stayed the same when I transitioned from a more or less SAD to LCHF, but my LDL actually dropped by 20 points and my HDL went up by the same, while my TG absolutely plummeted (400+ to 60ish).
Not only has this exact data shown up in my historical bloodwork, it seems as thought a high protein/fat diet along with intermittent fasting has sustained my results for more than 15yrs (intermittent fasting before it was cool lol). I wish more doctors would educate themselves Vs. trying to put everyone on a statin. Thank you to those diving into real life data.
74 years old Total cholesterol 211, Try 55, HDL 68, LDL 132 ( 132 is up 20 points after losing 25 Lbs. from previuos test. Triglyceride HDL ratio = triglyceride level ÷ HDLHealth experts designate the following triglyceride HDL ratios as follows: ideal: 2.0 or less. good: 4.0 to 6.0. bad: over 6.0 or above. MIne is .80. When you have low triglyceride levels but high LDL levels, it could indicate that you have a diet filled with healthy fats. I clock 30 -35 miles a week walking part uphill. I golf 3 times per week and work out 3 times per week moderate weghts, planks, pushups & stretching. My cardio wanted me to go on Statins, I discussed this with my GP and he explaimed to me that I wasn't necessarliy a candidiate for statins & it should be my choice. I decide NO. I add a very good organic olive oil to salads, I take d3/k2, Krill oil tabs, biotin, B-12, magnesium tabs , Organ protein drinks. I do not eat fast foods or junk foods.
After my heary attack I began keto and ate bacon everyday for 90 days. My LDL dropped to 47 and my hdl increased to 89. My blood pressure dropped and I lost weight. Keto works but not every fat works.
What were you eating?
It's wonderful to see research being done in this area, thank you for sharing your early findings and as more information is found and more participants join in, the studies will become more robust over time.
As much as I’m impressed by the work done so far, you are a very long way from being able to influence the lipidology model of CAD. It would be shot down on lack of numbers, an atypical cohort group no follow-on studies (so far) by independent research groups. Then there is the lipid model of CAD vested interest groups: primarily the pharmaceutical industry and mainstream cardiologists, their high income working modality is dependent on this not being true.
Nope, has nothing to do with money. Statins are cheap - there are so many genetics, not that profitable.
Would be more profitable to support the hypothesis that only metabolic health matters. Ozempic and wegovy as well as januvia and other diabetes drugs are far more profitable since they are newer and there are no or few generics, so they can sell them at a high profit margin, especially if the demand is very high.
Cardiologist make their money whether this is true or not - this is not lowering the prevalence or incidence of cardiovascular disease, there are enough diabetics and overweight people around, that do not want to give up their bad habits, look at the fat acceptance movement.
Proving smoking is detrimental to health has not stopped so many people from starting it and still maintaining it, even if there are doctors.
The interest of the meat and dairy industry on scientific research is big as well as their lobbying fund - spending the second highest amount of money amongst the food lobby to influence the 2015 American dietary guidelines with success. Here are current research projects funded by a beef lobbing group:
beefresearchorg/Media/BeefResearch/Docs/checkoff_nutr_research_in_the_field_arms071123-12-finalpdf
They have been involved in funding diet research too. And also ones in favor of LCHF:
Take a look at this:
sverigesradiose/artikel/4670843
wwwthelocalse/20110830/35846
And keto studies seem to have huge conflicts of interests too:
sci-fitnet/investigation-keto-scientists-companies/
You can play this game in any direction - industry will fund studies and thus you can easily create conspiracy theories.
Here, look at this study funded by the dairy industry:
jamanetworkcom/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/409791
Look at this study funded by the meat industry🫢:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9154224/
And doctors advocating for low carb and carnivore making big buck too by views, selling supplements, selling books, selling courses - not caring that what most of the stuff is based on no or insufficient evidence and is dependent on the theory, that studies that disagree and do not fit into the narrative are corrupt because of funding.
Research is not possible though without funding, especially if you want good quality data - so it happens that a industry funds something.
Having good methodology is key to find a good study, having bad methodology speaks for influence.
Dave - what you have started is going to turn cardiology and lipidology sideways! I’m betting (and hoping!) that you knock it outta the park with this study. So very exciting to watch this unfold!!
No it's not . . . The pool of participants is too narrow for this to be significant. Look at what your profile has to be to even participate in this study. It's at the top of the page.
@@hikerJohn as I said, baby steps. Think about it - Dave has a study underway by a renowned university cardiology dept. That alone is huge for those of us who believe in keto. I believe this will - finally - be the first of many such studies showing that those of us with high LDL but every other test perfect are not on death’s door. The geni will be out if the keto bottle and the statin pharma kings won’t be able to put it back. Go Dave!!
@@WickedLowCarb but MOST of us do not have every other test perfect so it's relatively meaningless to the rest of us. Did you look at what it takes to qualify for this study group and how few actually qualified? Do YOU meat the qualifications?
@@hikerJohn my LDL is a bit too low to qualify, but high enough that I keep getting statins pushed (unsuccessfully so far) on me. I think this study will be the opening for additional studies that include others with T2D, fatty liver, PCOS etc to see the affects keto has on these folks.
@@hikerJohn wanted to add, the study may be meaningless to you now, but I think Dave is opening the door to more studies being done that will help those with the not-yet-perfect results. He is helping to legitimize keto among mainstream medical and we desperately need it!
I was formerly glad that my former smoker status left me out of this trial, for which I otherwise qualified, but now I sort of wish we had raised enough money so you could justify collecting that data. I'm excited, regardless. Thanks, Dave.
Thanks Dave, this is huge data! You are changing the cholesterol hypothesis.
Awesome!! Thanks Dave for all the work! By the way thanks for helping out on hacking my cholesterol for my insurance policy 2 years back!
My labs are back-I’m an LMHR!! All data points -High TC, Low TG, High HDL, Low BMI , CAC-0.
I look forward to providing the study info to my doctor!
Thank you for this Study! I am a LMHR, and it’s certainly made my doctor take notice! But she also noticed my a1c went from 5.8 to 5.4 in 5 months, and that I’d lost 15 lbs. I gave her a copy of the initial Study, and she was happy to receive it. She is OK with me not choosing statin drugs, though it’s the typical protocol for someone with LDL of 286! My trig/HDL is 1.4, and waist to height ratio is .4. In my mind, it’s a “Proceed with caution,” but proceed. I’m tweaking a few things Diet-wise, and redoing bloodwork in 4 months or so.
DF is killing it! Putting data to fact, and fact to paper. Keep going like this though and he'll end up like John McAffee.
Oh you mean like he fact that you believe.
You mean he’ll become a felon and eventually kill himself?
3 years ago a CAC of 370 after 20 years low fat with 40mg of statins daily. Started carnivore 2 years ago just g got my CAC back and it's a 0! Also take 20k vitamin d and k2 daily for last 2 years!
fantastic!
How much vitamin K2 do you take?and is it mk4 or mk7?
@@AMN320 3 to 400 mcg a day mk7
@@jaydajediful do you think it is okay to take K2 on its own without the vitamin d
@@AMN320 absolutely but I would make sure I'm not deficient in vitamin d either thru diet or sun exposure. K2 moves calcium from soft tissue into bone so I definitely wouldn't take D3 without it!
56 Keto diet A1C 5.2. I feel great and never want to go back to highly processed food. You are what you eat, simple. 🤠
Remember that guy that drank helicobacter pylori to cause a stomach ulcer and then cured himself with antibiotics to prove his point??…ya Dave Feldman puts that dude to shame! Give this guy a Nobel prize already!
Hey don't knock the prof! :)
I told a supposed keto doctor that I didn't care about my LDL - just my VLDL. He actually said "I deal with real science backed information". I said "well VLDL is a real thing backed by science". He advertised he was a keto doctor just to get new patients. He didn't know anything about it.
Keto Doctor 😅 Very scary avoid as the meato diet is fundamentally dangerous
Thank you Dave Feldman!! While this doesn’t prove anything yet, it would appear that there are are only two explanations. Either that high LDL takes longer than 4 years to cause harm, or that your Lipid Energy Model is correct. Hoping you will fill this study population by the end of the year, but if not, I might be candidate when I hit 2 years of carnivore January 2023. Never felt better!
Or it can mean that LDL is necessary but not sufficient to cause atherosclerosis.
(A hint: high insulin / insulin resistance seems to be involved in virtually every step in the progression of atherosclerosis. LDL is involved in just one of these...)
Just make sure everyone involved is legit. These day I wouldn't trust someone who vegan wouldn't mess with the results. Like so many before them that got us down this rabbit hole. Keep up the work, thank you!
I would expect and want my LDL-C to be higher, being a low carb Carnivore, in order for the healthy fats to be transported to all the cells of the body that benefit from this proper human diet/lifestyle. Thank you for your work, Dave.
But what transports ketones? . . . The carnitine shuttle system? What role does LDL play? References?
You want to intentionally increase your risk of heart disease?
Found the two anti-keto posters.
@@bidnow2946 Nothing gets past you, such a genius.
@@cyberfunk3793 Finally an accurate comment.
Thank you so much Dave, this helps a lot, my LDL (over 200) has been in the top 1% for years. I did a 23 and Me genetic test and it said no variants for FH. Have no diabetes, low triglycerides, high HDL. However, am not on statins yet.
I hope all doctors start to take notes. This is a significant study that will save lives. I’m sure there will be a lot of push-back and misinformation coming from the statin and drug industry to fight the merits of this study.
No it isn't. The cohort wasn't chosen properly and it seems designed to show a certain result.
Doctors don’t care about you , putting everyone on Statins is very profitable.
Doesn’t need to be as all the facts are well established and have been repeated across the globe multiple times in huge sample sizes. Just the meato whackos can’t accept it
mainly carnivore here.. my LDL is through the roof and I couldnt be happier about it. I also have a CAC score of zero. About "working with your doctor"... thats a no go for me, and many people. They just can not break from from their training in med school and seemingly most GP's will not listen to patients. Ive been in a constant battle with mine over statins and him telling me that Im doing myself a disservice with the way I eat.
How old are you? CAC sadly doesn't meassure soft plaque, which is an earlier stage and more dangerous.
With inflammation and oxidative stress down high LDL may be okay, but there's not enough research on it yet.
Next time you are at your doctor's ask about checking ApoB instead of LDL, it's a more accurate marker (indicates the total number of atherogenic lipoprotein particles), that usually but not always correlates with LDL. If ApoB is normal, than you really have no reason to worry about LDL.
@@eliskarutteova2653 thank you, I will look into ApoB and learn about it. If soft plaque is an earlier stage of atherosclerosis I imagine getting a CAC scan every 2 years will ensure I'm good. If i see my score going up then I know something is going on and needs to be corrected.
I've been a fitness freak my entire life, but spent that last 5 or so years doing a diet of high protein, high fat, and low carbohydrates.
I have literally had people in my family tell me that the meat and butter that I eat is going to give me heart disease. All the while I'm like 7% body fat and they're 25% lol
yeah, I don't see how others don't see the irony when they're morbidly obese and tell me (5'9" 145lbs, 120/80 with no blood panel issues other than high ldl, vldl is very low though) I'm killing myself with my diet, lol. It's insane. It would be like me telling Mike Tyson how to throw a punch.
So I always doubt people who claim single digit BF… but assume from that this is classic fallacy. What you look like to serve you ego and body dysmorphia had literally zero to do with the havoc you are wreaking long term in your health with meato. As a fitness freak you may have noticed in passing how many of your fellow obsessive s drop dead while looking shredded peeled etc … don’t tell me it’s the gearbox the diuretics I know. It’s the point of principle.
I wonder how long until youtube takes this video down or just makes it so the algorithm stops recommending it
Comparison to Miami heart will be verrrry interesting. Very excited to see a general population cohort to compare
LDL carries nutrition to the brain and through cell membranes. Hence the name, "low density". It has to be to deliver the nutrition. LDL is critical for survival.
The big question is and always will be : why and how does plaque build up on arteries..... is it because our arteries are like sink drains and clog up because of the all the gunge running through them.....or is it because something in the arteries themselves attracts the plaque to stick ? All the evidence I've seen suggests the latter but I'm not an expert. I'm 76 with 250+ cholesterol with high levels of LDL and clear coronary arteries (angiogram results). I won't take statins and won't until overwhelming evidence suggests I should......on a side note, I have done lots of exercise my entire life and I always try to eat "clean" so I don't know if that has anything to do with it.......
LDL is conventionally measured as a single value. The trouble with that is that it is not looking at particle size or oxidation, and it is particle size and oxidation that matters. I would like to know what antioxidant -rich vegetables they were eating, or, if carnivore, how much glutathione and melatonin (our DIY, endogenously produced antioxidants) they are now able to generate, plus how well they were producing nitric oxide.
Doctor still believes in LDL and fiber as relevant. Tell me again why I should talk to physicians? Sounds like a dangerous idea to me
100%
Because a keto diet won't help if you break your arm.
@@bidnow2946 o well it will help the recovering, but i know what you mean lol.
Open minds nurture open minds
Try shitty without fibre. You’re welcome for me educating doopid. It means you need fibre.
I’m starting to think I may fall in this category. Started Keto and carnivore in January. Had my blood work done in May. LDL 316, HDL 68 and Trig 108. CAC is 0 and contrast CT came out as unremarkable.
Your Trig are surprisingly high for keto even if they are in the normal range. But that LDL is one of the highest I've seen in various comments.
Contrast CT means the one that also detects soft plaque right? Congrats on it being ok.
There is no guarantee it will stay that way, if you've only had these high LDL levels for a few months. Have you ApoB checked next time, it's a better test for CVD risk than LDL. If it's high, you might still want to adjust how you do keto.
I can say that I am within the age range of this group that was studied and have similar numbers to theirs and also have a 0 Calcium score. Had all the other heart tests as well which also came back good. I’m also on a ketogenic diet with intermittent fasting.
For now
@@marcdaniels9079 you could say that for anything.
Fascinating ! High LDL probably has nothing to do with cardiovascular health. Keto has a positive effect.
Lots of unknowns
@@CashMoneyMoore Yes, lots of unknowns. But what we do know is that this group of people with high to super high LDL did not develop coronary artery disease while eating a keto diet.
@@SomeTechGuy666 oh I misread, thought you said high HDL. Yep pretty exciting so far
@@CashMoneyMoore lol, me too.
@@SomeTechGuy666 Actually, we don't know that. The sample is small, we don't have control group, and we don't have their plaque measured before the diet. And CAC score is usually very low in people in their 50s regardless of coronary artery disease. This study really shows us nothing
67.5 years of age- Chol 315, Trig 102, VLDL 20, LDL 210, HDL 55, Apob 169.. Just had Calcium score= ZERO!
Exciting news ... I've been waiting for the results of this study ... guarded optimism! Keep up the great work Dave.
I am one of those keto patients. I have sky high cholesterol. My Dr hassled me about it. I said, send me for a scan. At 55 the scan showed ZERO deposits in my coronary arteries. My Dr shut up about it.
The fat is not the risk factor. Inflammatory seed foods and seed oils are what causes these deposits as the body's natural attempt to soothe/cover inflamed vascular tissues.
It's not the only risk factor, but it is a risk factor.
CAC sadly doesn't meassure soft plaque, which is an earlier stage and more dangerous.
With inflammation and oxidative stress down, you may be okay with high LDL, but there's not enough research on it yet.
Next time you are at your doctor's ask about checking ApoB instead of LDL, it's a more accurate marker (indicates the total number of atherogenic lipoprotein particles), that usually but not always correlates with LDL. If ApoB is normal, than you really have no reason to worry about LDL.
@@eliskarutteova2653 There were zero soft plaques either.
Soft plaques are actually quite dangerous as they can break off and travel, causing blockages.
@@jeffhutjens I assumed that the scan you had done was just the coronary artery calcium test, apparently not. And if it was actual angiography, that detects even soft plaque, then the result zero is truly amazing. Congratulations.
Love your work Dave, keep it going. Such important research.
Dr.B! He did my CAC testing on Torrance, CA! I had a zero 👍
230 LDL is in the top 10% of the top 1%?!?!? What is my LDL ranked at since it is knocking hard on the door for 400?!?!!
I experienced the same as many other commenters here. Carnivore now 9 months, LOTS of improvement in many areas. Doctor only concerned about my higher LDL and is pushing statins. Can't even bring herself to say "good work" on the 10 other things that have gotten better. Tells me this way of eating is not sustainable... All I could say back to her silly comment was the word "Eskimo". Looking for a new doc, someone who can be my cheerleader and keep more up to date on research.
Wondeful facts. After a lifetime of eating "normally" and only a few years on keto, this lean mass hyperesponding cohort has very low risk , and this cohort includes a lot of male seniors....wow. It will be interesting if we can get numbers on the next cac readings. Could it be that keto not only does not increase plaque but decreases it? Not absurd to think right now that it is highly probable. Otherwise, we would expect to see the group that has been on keto for years to have average numbers , but apparently it is low risk....How come? Anyhow, I hope this good news motivates participants to stay in the study.
Doctors should be mandated to study these findings, and not be blinded by traditional practice.
There's nothing traditional about pharmaceuticals!
Fantastic preliminary results! I'm feeling a lot easier with my ldl level now
10.5 months into carnivore my total was 250. Ldl 170. Triglycerides 90. Hdl 63. Vldl 18. My dr was happy with those numbers. Ldl we have no idea what size or how many. So that aside my weight is down. Never had bp issues. I’m 65.
Even though I am a vegetarian and believe in balanced diet with fiber, fat, healthy carbs and proteins with vitamins and minerals through my diet, I sill appreciate this study only and only for ONE reason and I want this study to continue to tell us more because I do not support vegan propagandist support fake meat industry in name of environment or better health. Such studies should come out but also continued long term. Because someone will be born who will invest into science and try to find real cause of disease then not just correlation. This is the only reason I support such studies and wish they continue to give us some insight why plaques are depositing but not for all even with high numbers. Let us see if this Doctor continues his study longer and shows unbiased and real courage to do so. I do not expect that unbiased courage from plant invested doctors. Despite being a vegetarian, I do pray this study continues long.
What is a healthy carb, and how does the body know the difference?
Dave Feldman intentionally chose a highly respected researcher and doctor who was antagonistic towards his hypothesis. He didn't want any confirmation bias. So the guy conducting the study actually believes everyone will experience accelerated cardiovascular disease and only one year from having high LDL.
@@claybutler Didn't know this! Although the doc does say he would "expect" the opposite. Looks like he was a great choice as a researcher, first to avoid bias, secondly looks like he will be supportive of the outcome, whether it confirms or denies his previous expectations.
I would suggest that you get a CAC scan yourself, just so you can remain confident in your dietary choice.
@@bidnow2946 of course I will continue to and still follow my own path.
The calcification isn't detectable until you get 60 or 70
No matter how high the LDL is it's not likely to find any calcification build up in any group of the population amongst 50 year olds.
(Unless you have FH)
did the study also include something like a C-reactive protein (CRP) test for assessing inflammation and possible "soft" plaque?
I am 50 and my triglycerides have always been below 40, cholesterol always over 250, HDL high at 86, LDL high at 165. I’ve been ketovore for 15 months and workout 5 days a week. My primary doc tells me every year I need to be on a statin and I refuse to. She asked if I would take red yeast rice and COQ10.
And clearly LDL and cholesterol doesn't cause heart disease.
LOL. If only it was so clear to everybody.
You guys are brainwashed. High LDL is a recipe for heart attack and stroke. I’ll stick to having low LDL, thank you
This is a fascinating study as this commenter learns more about the SCIENCE of nutrition, it's positive effects and how Allopathic Medicine only seems at patient expense to ensure the passage to the next station on the route - the Medical Examiner's Office, followed by the Mortuary.
It has taken me years, but this commenter, with the help of videos like this, has gotten wise. The mere fact that, at well past the age of consent, the physical and emotional conditions of this commenter are the best they have been since aged 11, writes more volumes that can be held in the library at my Alma Mater!
Much credit goes to this platform, as well as my brother who is a top-flight researcher.
On keto for 2 1/2 years. Just had a medical. LDL was 5.4 (Canadian system) which is high. Triglycerides were extremely low. Doctor had be undertake a test to see if my LDL particles were large or small. Awaiting the results. Can’t wait to hear about the final results of this study.
How was it?
@@river6449 see my doctor on the 21st to discuss the test results.
Hope it is good news.
@@timhanley9992 And?????
@@martijnrood8060they unfortunately were small dense particles. However all blood panels are still good. except for LDL. 🤪
Brilliant information, cant wait for the final study to come out! Thanks Dave.
I have more faith in the panda bear in the picture than I do the medical profession. BigPharma, AHA, etc. lied to us for decades. I'll stick to my 8 eggs and 1/2lb of steak each day, thanks.
❤❤
The big problem with this study is that there is no control group.
Of course -,they are not going to use a study that won’t give the results they desire.
Great video. I would be interested in seeing tests on a group that are on the carnivore diet.
Inflamed artery walls is the cause of artery plaque not LDL. Doctors should know what causes inflamed artery walls by now. I think a lot of them do but are under a lot of pressure to prescribe statin drugs are extremely expensive LDL lowering shots by their employers.
funny, I don't recall them mentioning the "soft" plaque. Perhaps they will also consider doing C-reactive protein (CRP) tests.
The higher level of LDL on keto is known to be normal and absolutely NOT a problem! I remember having to school my doctor on this topic the first time he reacted to my higher choleterol level after starting keto years ago!
Yes it’s known to be normal and known to ABSOLUTELY BE A MAJOR problem. I bet your doctor just could wait to get rid of you spewing your absurd nonsense 😅
Yeah it's not known at all. You keep telling yourself that. ApoB is the strongest and most established risk factor for Coronary heart disease that we have, and LDL is very good approximation of ApoB.
This study shows us nothing, since we had no control group and their plaque score before diet. So it's basically meaningless, irrelevant.
Proof? Trust me bro.
I really want to see a large study of patients with high LDL and high vitamin D compared to patients with high LDL and low vitamin D.
Did the study measure the CAC scores before the subjects started the diet? Would be interested in the change, if any, over the course of the dirt.
Obviously I wasn’t in this study but, I had a CAC score done 4.5 years ago when I resembled this group. Doctor tried to put me on statins and to be honest, was getting annoyed and pissed at me for saying no. He knew I was on the Keto diet and had lost 47 lbs in 4 months. STRICT KETO and worked out 6 days a week with lots of cardio. Well that CAC was ZERO.
Fast forward to a few months ago, new Doctor concerned with my blood work and he sent me for a CAC,…..well just like my last one, this CAC was ZERO. LDL is around 180.
You want hdl to be high. Mob-grazed on diverse pasture has most nutrients, and includes fats that closely resemble olive oil in profile, along with higher omega 3s, etc.
Would be interested to see another follow up study with same participants maintaining same diet in few years to find trends, if any. Curious if anyone ever REVERSES plaque, especially if using intermittent fasting regularly.
Plaque reversal is not possible, you only can reduce size. Damage to the vessel wall is done, it does not simply vanish.
What has shown so far to be effective is statin treatment, weight loss, LDL- C reduction in several studies. If only over lowering triglycerides, that caused a reduction in LDL-P. But I doubt that, since LDL-P increases due to high saturated fat. I could only see that happening in a low saturated fat low carb diet, not in a high saturated fat diet.
So IF can reduce plaque via weight loss.