AJ: "So, which band copied who?" >Slipknot & Mushroomhead fans standing to raise their torches and pitchforks if he chooses the "wrong answer." AJ: "Mr. Bungle!" >Slipknot and Mushroomhead fans slowly sit back down in confusion.
I like both slipknot and mushroomhead but for different reasons. Slipknot for their more crazy heavy music and their insane live shows. Mushroomhead for their underground live shows and their more nu metal sound. I'll definitely be checking out Mr bungle
Huge fan of both bands. Slipknot being my favorite, Mushroomhead being a band I'm super passionate about. 100% both bands were inspired by Mr. Bungle. You can definitely hear the inspiration in Mushroomhead's music with all the keyboards and weird elements. Seen both Slipknot and Mushroomhead live. Slipknot has an incredible stage presence, and killer sound. While Mushroomhead's shows are smaller, they're a bit more intimate. People can like whoever they want, both bands are great to me!
Basically neither band copied each other. They just had similar ideas... Mr. Bungle Rules by the way. "The Air Conditioned Nightmare" is my favorite song by them & I love their new album (The Bunny). Thanks for this video it is great for other people in this hobby/scene to learn new things about more obscure sh*t. 🤘🏻
ILL ALWAYS PICK MUSHROOMHEAD BUT I LIKE SLIPKNOT TOO U KNOW, IT HAS ITS MOMENTS, BUT U CANT HATE ON SOMEONES GIG MASKS MAKE UP, ITS ALL BEEN DONE BEFORE, YOU CANT HATE OR LIKE MUSIC JUST CAUSE OF THE LOOK, MUSIC IS MUSIC, PLAN AND SIMPLE, FUCK ITS IMAGE!
I'm glad MRH doesn't have the mainstream appeal Slipknot does, don't have to worry about as many douchebags, and smaller venues mean more intimate shows. Plus they pack the shit out of those clubs.
I legitimately believe that Mike Patton is literally one of the most gifted singers who has ever lived. People always roll their eyes when I say that, but who else has ever demonstrated the sheer vocal range that he has? He can sound like an angel one second, and completely inhuman the next with zero effort. His high notes, the animal noises, the guttural Cookie Monster vocals, sometimes all in the same breath- it's insane. Always great to see some Mr Bungle love on the channel. Do you have any Mr Bungle masks?
I couldn't agree with you more, I honestly respect Him incredibly. Mike Patton and Corey Taylor Ironically are two of the most talented vocalists in my eyes. Mikes the #1 best singer out there. How High, Low, Deep, and Weird he can make his voice sound good is honestly incredible to me. I love him so much!
Devin Townsend. Although Townsend is stronger vocally in every thing he does than Patton. And unlike Patton he's also not an asshole (had the displeasure of meeting Patton a few times, and both time he behaved like a schmuck). I still like Disco Volante though.
I honestly don't think either band intentionally copied the other, at least not at first. They're not the first bands to choose to wear masks and makeup and they won't be the last. I first heard Mr. Bungle back around 1994, my sister had their CD. Still to this day random lyrics from their song Squeeze Me Macaroni will pop into my head out of nowhere.
@@TheHouseOfMasks I did. Did I miss something? You gave your opinion in the video, I gave mine in the comments, and our opinions are basically the same. So what's the problem?
@@TheHouseOfMasks Yeah, I edited it to add the part about Mr. Bungle. Sorry you don't believe that I watched the video. I don't know what your problem is, all I did was leave a comment agreeing with most of what you said. If you don't want people commenting on your videos then either turn off the comments or stop acting like a beeatch and STFU.
You hit the nail right on Craig's head with the Mr. Bungle connection, AJ. That was always my theory about this whole thing as well. I never thought either band ripped each other off, I just thought they were both very inspired by Mr. Bungle. Like you showed in the vid, both bands early music clearly shows that influence. Funny enough, just last night I was listening to a YT mix compilation of old Slipknot stuff (tracks from MFKR and some old demos) and YT's automatic content ID mistakenly claimed one of the songs as "The Bends" by Mr. Bungle 🤣. Strangely, that was the only song claimed too. I actually had a bit of an audible chuckle from that. So even YT's algorithms seem to agree about the Mr. Bungle influence lol. As for The Knot and Mushroomhead playing a show together, I think that would be pretty fucking epic tbh. Many fans seem to want it to happen and I think it probably will happen at some point. I just wish both bands would have handled the bs better from the start. I always thought it was a missed opportunity for the fans that they never played shows together. I've also thought each band would compliment each other extremely well if they toured together or at least played random shows together. Any Slipknot show you go to will be massive ofc, but if they announced even a single special show with Mushroomhead, it would be insane. It would be pretty monumental. Anyway, great job on the video. I really like the direction you took it in, and introducing new people to the legendary Mr. Bungle & Mike Patton is always a good thing 🤘. • Oh, and if anyone wants to see the YT algorithm thinking OG Slipknot is Mr. Bungle for themselves: The vid is titled "SlipKnoT Demos '95-'97" on some random channel called 8DaezTV. It's weird to realize that Mr. Bungle is getting some royalties off of Slipknot tracks. It's as if Slipknot is paying forward their tribute to Bungle without even knowing 😂.
They didn't mistakenly put "the bends by mr. Bungle" on accident, because in the actual video it shows the bends by mr bungle and that's because slipknot used the song at their live concert at clearwater beach 1996
Mr. Bungle was so influential because they were such a diversity of so many types of music. As you were saying that both bands were very influenced by them. Mr. Bungle were super underated & way ahead of there time. AJ if you ever get a chance to, check out an old band called 'Pinkly Smooth.' If you haven't ever heard of them before. It's Brian Haner Jr. (Synister Gates) & Jimmy Sullivan (The Rev) (R.I.P.) from Avenged Sevenfold's old band before A7X. Keep the content coming & take care of yourself. Stay metal. 🤘
I have seen mushroomhead live like a week ago. It was the best show I have ever seen from any band (btw I've seen Slipknot twice before). They were taking photos with people, signing their stuff and just casually talking with everybody. Its a shame that they stayed in a shadow of slipknot and aren't as popular as they should :(
Sadly its not so much that they stayed in the shadow, as much as they didnt want to sign away the rights to their music to get a big push from a label. In the end it probably wasn't the best/smartest financial or professional decision, but they (Steve specifically) do/does own 100% of the library. I fully believe that if they had signed with Roadrunner in 96 or 98 or whenever, that the placement on the large festivals would have pushed them up in place of Slipknot. Especially considering RR only went and found Knot after the MRH deal didnt work out. An entire multiverse of possible "what if" scenarios for sure. For better or worse our musical tastes are largely based on what is easily presented before us. And the Knot got loads of radio play, touring opportunities, and advertisement beyond anything MRH could muster. Think I'm wrong, look no further than these comments on how many people are utterly oblivious to who Mr Bungle is. Or really any thing Mike Patton has done beyond Faith No More.
Slipknot is a studio band put together by a RoadRunner producer, the music isn't better, it's more saccharin and homogenized for the masses. When Slipknot signed with RR it was 4 guys, no masks and singer who wrapped himself with tape. Two years later, and it's nine guys in masks and orange jumpsuits, you do the math.
I actually found out about mushroom head through this whole situation of "who copied who" when I found out mushroomhead was from Ohio (my home state. Can't wait till October AJ 🤘) I was stoked. Slipknot will always and forever be one of my favorite bands. But there elements of mushroomhead that I really enjoy. I got to go to a mushroomhead show in Cleveland at the agora when I was 13 that was 5 years ago and I still loved that show. It was the best experience of my life and I wouldn't change anything about it. But hey. Everyone has their opinions on MRH just like elbows we got a couple of them so 🤷🏻♂️
Was crazy seeing MH live in Cleveland back in the 90's-2000's. Some of my favorite memories are from those shows. Some of Mushroomhead's members have alot of other bands that are super sick too. Especially Jmann & Dave "Gravy" Felton's bands. Dave is easily one of my favorite guitarists. Loved those shows as well. So many hidden metal gems that came out of Cleveland that most of the world have no clue about. I guess you'd have to frequent and grow up in that scene to fully respect and appreciate it. This was a time of no social media. Lots of hear say, Concert flyers, News papers and magazines is what got the word out about bands back then. Mushroomhead & Slipknot both will forever be killer bands to me . Old Skool MH is my shit. I'll say what isn't being said here about the MH success or lacking of it. They f*cked up turning down Roadrunner. It's that simple. With that Roadrunner support, Money and promotion they could have easily been as successful as Slipknot. Being bad decisions were made we'll never know now. I suppose it's all a matter of my opinion at this point lol. Despite of knowing how the industry works and how fans or just humans react with the psychology of these things being put in their face and ear holes. They would have definitely been more successful with Roadrunner. Love your channel dude. 🤘🏼💀
@@sammitchell3657 I understand the feels man. They haven't sound the same since. They try like hell but it's just Mushroomhead Lite to be honest. I'm probably gonna catch some sh*t for saying that. F*ck it.
@@sammitchell3657 Yeah... Skinny is a prick. I love OG Mushroomhead, but there has been a lot of treacherous shit happening in that band over the years. Skinny (along with his wife) has taken full control of the whole band in every aspect and thinks he's the whole damned show too. Yet, he's the one who's ran that band into the ground, and in so many different ways too. They haven't released a good album (imo) since XIII. Which is because Skinny takes over the role of producer (on top of everything else), instead of working with somebody who knows what they're doing. Unfortunately, MH has just sounded like a huge clusterfuck to me for years and years now. The potential is there, but the music is just taken in such ridiculous and nonsensical directions. Skinny thinks he is Mushroomhead, but they'd be much better off without him. All this bs has been sad to see.
@@EXSENTRIX Ehh... Hopefully i'll take the brunt of it from my take I just posted lol. Like you said though, fuck it. *EDIT:* I really miss those shows from back in the day too man. Unfortunately I never got to see them in their hometown in Cleveland, but the shows were still off the wall here in AZ back then. I can only imagine the home shows 🤘.
Hit the nail on the coffin, Mr Bungle is one of the most greatest bands ever! am a huge Die Hard Mushroomhead fan my first show was they're Halloween show in Cleveland of 99. I also love Slipknot! Both bands are great and sound nothing like each other but are similarities for sure. This video was the best analogy on these bands and I'm so glad you brought up Mr Bungle cuz without Mr Bungle these two bands would have never been what they are. If you love this kind of music you should check out Circus of Dead Squirrels and dog fashion Disco! I guarantee you will not be let down!
Mr Bungle is one of my favorite bands. Bought all of their studio albums back in 2000 when a friend introduced me to the song Goodbye Sober Day. Still my favorite song of theirs. Also, I saw Mushroomhead and Slipknot the following year.
I had always wondered about the probability of 2 different random groups of people in different states having the same music ideas around the same time. This certainly does help clarify and increase that probability. Had never heard of Mr. Bungle but will be looking them up. Thanks.
Mr.Bungle fact: the clown on the cover of their self titled album was done in the likeness of Paul "Chesty" Mortier. Paul was a clown with Ringling Bros back in the 1940's/1950's and pioneered some of the signature clown routines that carried over to future generations.
The great thing about Mr. Bungle is how deep and profound the subject matter of their songs (usually) is, the lyrics are just often veiled under several layers of silly goofy metaphors. Also their unique eccentricity and musical prowess is greatly underappreciated
Mr bungle 1991 Travolta music video influenced a ton of up coming bands and they did while grunge was dominating the scene, pretty impressive. Also Mike Patton and FNM in 1992 angel dust became the blueprint for nu metal, even the fashion, short haired vocalist with eyebrow piercing, wearing sports hats 😂 if you saw a 1992 picture of Mike Patton in you would think it was from 1998.
Funnily enough, there’s another masked band from this era that also sounded pretty similar to Mr. Bungle. There was this little-known band called Sykotik Sinfoney. They wore these weird masks and costumes and their only claim to fame was having their song “Manic Depresso” in a horror movie called Bad Channels. I think they broke up awhile back, but their music was actually pretty cool imo. It definitely had that Mike Patton influence all over it. You should check them out for a masked band review.
You know I don’t think people appreciate just how influential Mr Bungle actually is, Korn has sited them as one of their main influences sound wise, if you take a way the hip hop drum and bass pattern and listen to the guitars, it’s a bunch of reworked bungle riffs, And korn wether you like them or not was a helluva influence on metal in the 90s gaining hella popularity and having people emulate the Korn sound, Low af tunings and crazy sounding riffs, So with no Mr bungle, the modern metal scene would not have become what it is today. Shouts out to Mr Bungle
Yea I read somewhere that mike Patton was not happy that he was one of the major influences on the whole “nu-metal “ genre lol. Bc they all cite him as major influence
Never heard of Mr Bungle, now I'm gonna check them out. I think you did great with this video and explained everything really well. For sure both bands took inspiration from them.
@@truthhurts79 its actually his main band, FNM is more of a day job for Patton. Btw for the dude who wants to start with Bungle , start of with their song Travolta, you'll see where the mask and horror sound came from.
I'm so happy to see Mr. Bungle get some more exposure. They don't get nearly enough recognition. I'm a big fan of Pink Cigarette, and the awesome fan made music video. Great stuff!
I'm a huge Mushroomhead fan & I am so glad you're finally making a video speaking out the truth of the whole "SLIPKNOT V. MUSHROOMHEAD" fiasco. The reason I never jump into that garbage comparison because I am sick of these belligerent grade-A douchebags who are fans from both bands always mouthing off & beefing against each other like they're at some Civil War reenactment. Everything you said in that video are 100% correct, both bands did in fact hate each other, both were talking shit about each other, even Mushroomhead tried to fabricate & sugarcoat it to make it where they're like "oH iTs AlL fAnMaDe iT wAs AlL dOnE bY dA fAnS wE lUv SlIpKnOt" to hide away the fact that they're guilty of the involvement of this feud. You are totally correct that both bands actually got their inspirations from Mr. Bungle. Not gonna lie, I do love that song "Quote Unquote". It really sounds like that weird goofy Willy Wonka Looney Tunes style music. Mike Patton is such a musical genius! I get that you don't like Mushroomhead which I no problem with that, I'm just so glad that you finally brought the truth about this whole insanely nonsensical comparison. I'll continue watching your videos because I definitely love watching your entire mask collection!
I really like the video (especially the Les Claypool joke) and the only thing I would disagree with is that the first slipknot and mushroomhead albums are pretty different. The mushroomhead ablum is heavily keyboard driven with less focus on guitar while the keyboards in the slipknot albulm are more of a supporting role to the guitar.
Also, Corey recently (within the last year) had mentioned wanting to do a tour. Honestly, out of MH, Jeffery was really the only band member to fuel anything. This is coming from a native Clevelander who knows people connected to the band. Most members were, sure, envious of Slipknot's success, but happy for them. The MH fans, however, they were just jerks, but only the ones out of Cleveland. It is though, highly noticed that Slipknot doesn't do shows in Cleveland very often and I think it has a lot to do with the beef, and quite frankly what happened at their first show that came through
XIII is a masterpiece of an album especially at the time. Whats unfortunate is that both bands lost their touch over the years and haven't put out a good album in awhile.
Idk..I loved The Righteous and The Butterfly, and the guy replacing Nothing has insane range. My favorite off the new album ruclips.net/video/yNxp3MpsBCc/видео.html And my fave off TRTB ruclips.net/video/jnLQ7CvTM3g/видео.html U may like
@@jacklevitt3727 I love TRTB too! I was including that in my comment, the album is almost ten years old 🤧I do like the newest album too it has a lot of shining moments but its just doesn't stand on its own like the old ones do, at least in my opinion.
As a teenager I remember coming across a Mr bungle CD at a CD shop and immediately love them. This was 20 plus years ago and my friends all looked at me like I was crazy for liking the band but now that they came across this video they all agree with me 😂😂😂🤷 thank you so much for bringing them to light they are definitely a band worth mentioning 💖
I like both bands but never really thought either of them copied each other. You did hit the nail on my major issue with Mushroomhead and it's definitely the business decisions they've made over the years. Also glad to see someone bring up Mr. Bungle here.
Hats off for mentioning Mr Bungle and Mike Patton! J-Mann has openly expressed his love for Mike Patton, Mr bungle and Faith No More. Interestingly I think Mike Patton liked wearing the gimp mask because he just hit it big with faith no more epic video on mtv and didn't want that to distract from bungle. Similar to the reason you said mushroomhead wore their masks being in different bands.
Literally the only person I’ve ever even heard mention Mr. Bungle in regards to Slipknot and it makes so much sense. Corey even attributed Faith No More’s performance of Epic at I believe the VMAs as the reason he didn’t kill himself and decided to continue with music. As always on your shit with the music. (Sad I missed Mr. Bungle AND Faith No More when Mike dropped out of the tour)
Not to mention! Dave Lombardo was in Mr. Bungle! If one of the greatest drummers in the world joins your band? You know you're doing something right. 🤘🏻
So as huge mushroomhead fan before a slipknot fan as a teen and Going to see mushroomhead a few days from now still as a fan, but after never hearing about Mr. Bungle to now... I seeeeeee. Wow. Just makes me like all the bands (including slipknot, mushroomhead, and Mr bungle) even more
I'm always learning from your videos. There was a few things I didn't know about the Slipknot/MushroomHead situation. Also never heard of Mr. Bungle. Thanks for the knowledge, and the content 🖤🤟🏼
I really like both bands. I never understood the point of the debate since they're 2 different beasts. Fans are still all "who came first?" when both bands were inspired by Mr. Bungle like you pointed out.
As someone who was actually there, a close friend of members of the Slipknot, and watched the progression and evolution of the band, I think maybe I can clear up a lot of this silliness. Mr. Bungle was a huge influence on Shawn, no way around it. He was way into that band along with a lot of more experimental bands and confrontational industrial Art like Survival Research Laboratories. When I first saw Slipknot in 1995 it seemed more like Performance Art than a Metal Show. Unlike metal and rock's standard grandstanding and pain-stricken guitar solo faces, it was like a weird Dadaist play, backyard freak show, or a DIY horror movie. I think unless you were a part of the underground music scene in the late 80s and early 90s, it's hard to understand the level of experimentation that was going on. Since no one was paying attention, a lot of strange and sometimes wonderful bands appeared. Largely because of the Punk and Hardcore influence on the underground, pretty much anything was allowed. From Riot Grrll bands playing topless and mutilating strapons on stage with chainsaws to Gwar to bands doing complete stage shows with lighting and special effects, they can up with on their own. There was always a sense of danger in going to a show by a band you had never heard of. I mean was it going to be four guys staring at their shoes for 45 minutes or were you going to watch a guy shoot half dollars out of his belly button, a 6foot woman do fire breathing or get sprayed with urine. And the boys were at Safari night after night taking notes. As far as the mask thing goes, it started out with their first show being Halloween and it just became their thing. Now the coveralls thing is a little different. Mr. Bungle, Slipknot, and Mushroomhead were not the first to wear coveralls. Also, they were the first to use numbers. If you really want to go far back, DeVo started performing in Ohio back in 1972. I know they aren't really metal but they were a huge band in the early 80s. So coveralls and masks are really nothing groundbreaking. Oh, and something must people miss is the influence of Clockwork Orange. In 1997, Shawn owned Safari Nite Club and there are two bands that played that summer that both wore coveralls and identified with numbers. The first was Bobgoblin and the other was Mog Stunt Team. MST is a prime example of the weirdness of 1990 and a wonderful rabbit hole to explore. They "believed" that an alien was following them around and sabotaging their shows. They were scheduled twice in 1997, the first time hours before the show, the whole club flooded with sewage. The second time Slipknot opened for them on September 12th, 1997. the most notable part of this show is that Andy quit on stage. Now did he quit because of the alien's influence? It is one of those mysteries that may never be solved. One thing I can say is that the numbers appeared shortly after that. Also, MST was on Amphetamine Reptile Records and toured extensively and I'm sure played Cleveland and so did Bobgoblin. By the time they were signed to Roadrunner in July of 1998, Slipknot's music including a majority of the Self-Titled album were standards in their set. The masks, coveralls, stage show, and numbers had been a part of the band for over 10 months. For the most part, they were the band that would appear at Ozzfest and takes everyone by surprise. The first time the band even had heard the name Mushroomhead was during a visit to Roadrunners offices in New York to finalize the details of the contract. Paul told me a few days after they returned that one of the A&R people at RR had shown them a press kit of this band from Ohio that wore masks and coveralls. They had shopped themselves to RR but nothing came of it. So, this idea that they copied Mushroomhead or that Roadrunner "Developed" Slipknot, is not founded in facts. Though I can see where seeing this band come out of nowhere and seems a lot like yours on a label you had shopped to, could raise some eyebrows. However, at the time I don't think anyone outside of Ohio had a clue who they were. I've heard a lot of rumors over the years about MRH's dealings with RR. One was that they flat out were rejected by RR and the other was that MRH had refused the deal offered to them. Who knows what the truth is. I know that one thing is a fact, RR didn't sign Slipknot, Ross Robinson did on his imprint label. Ross had an ongoing relationship with the band and had even showcased them in Los Vegas at the EAT'M festival. It was after the three or four major labels that seemed interested passed that Ross decided to just sign them to IAM Recordings and release them through RR. Really without Ross' belief in the band, who knows what would have happened. Most of the major labels at the time were scared of Slipknot. They just didn't see them as a "product" they could invest in. In a way, Mushroomhead should have been thanking Slipknot for bringing masked, coverall-wearing metal bands into the mainstream.
What I got out of it was Shawn owned a night club and had the opportunity to borrow themes from many bands. Threw it into a huge pot called it slipknot. Then they sold it to everyone. Including myself. It’s great fucking music. We can all cry about line up changes but everyone watching has labeled themselves a maggot at sometime or another or you wouldn’t be watching.
Honestly in my opinion it doesn’t matter who copied who because at the end of the day slipknot is cool and has good masks and mushroom head is not cool and has worse masks
I was fortunate enough to see Mr. Bungle when they got back together for a Knotfest show. Aren't my cup tea but they are definitely an influential group! Never thought about them influencing both bands but you make a really good argument.
"I'm not knocking Mushroomhead, even though I am because they deserve it" "Slipknot sells more tickets so they are superior" Show us on the doll where Mushroomhead hurt you
As much as I liked them both, to finally hear that neither of them ripped off from each other now lays my confusion to res. Thanks AJ! And I luv SK and MSH altogether
actually great video covering pop culture history, ty! the corey tattoo is some psychotic shit lol it’s a shame it affected slipknot bc pauls pig mask is not just his best but one of the bands most emblematic look, i still take it over most of the masks slipknot has now.. it’s getting too mm fancy
I like em both, they're similar yet different in their sound. But Mushroomhead started in 93 and had a pig mask, Slipknot started in 95 and had a pig mask. It's pretty hard to not think Slipknot was influenced by them heavily But they definitely loved Patton faith no more and Mr Bungle
I've really always been more of a Mr bungle person, and it actually infuriated me when people brought up Slipknot vs. Mushroom head. Glad you brought mr bungle into the conversation, doing gods work. 🙏
Damn I honestly didn’t think there was really any “copying” I just assumed there was at least some inspiration but hearing about me. Bungle has me intrigued. I will definitely look into their music.
It’s funny cause this answer is basically just from a Slipknot fan who doesn’t wanna admit mushroomhead did it first, so instead goes back to find some of the influences of both bands to give them credit lol
Kinda funny thing I got into Mr. Bungle cause of this dumb feud lol. Not at first it was from a much more chill Slipknot fan that just found the whole thing funny a "ya the early days where close cause they were both inspired by Mr. Bungle and emulating them duh" that actually made me check him out and really loved it. Better for everyone to move past it but any time the "feud" gets brought up now a days it just gives me a chuckle at this point.
I said the same thing 9ish years ago in high school. I had a buddy show me Bungle back then & after getting into them I swore to him OG self-titled Slipknot reminded me of them. I didn't expect you to bring it up in this by no means honestly.
People's definition of success is super different. If I'm able to perform my art in front of people for 30 years and make a living off it I call that success.
Mike Patton got me into some weird music, from the EP with Dillinger, Moon Child, Mr Bungle etc. He is literally the reason I fell in love with music from FNM. But hey, fools be fools and they be dumb.
LOVE Mr Bungle (and FNM too) and it’s great to see AJ giving them some love. That first album is a must listen and the new album is super. The middle two albums are worth a definite listen. Cheers again AJ for the Mr Bungle mention and their importance.
Both bands are good in my mind. Sincerely love them both. Have listened to both religiously since I was a teenager. When it comes to comparing bands and sounds. All of slipknot albums have consistency, and have a very distinctive sound. You listen to slipknot, you know what you're getting. While mushroomhead albums all sound very different. Some had more of a straight forward metal sound, some have more ballads and clean vocals, some have a nu-metal sound where others are more experimental and throw techno stuff in. They're definitely different and have their own thing going on. Between the two? Slipknot wins. They have more visuals and their live shows are better, but not knocking mushroomhead in the slightest bit. They're both good. I never understood why so many people had to choose and argue between the two. Enjoy them both, and support em both. But, I will say this. fuck skinny. I heard he's a dick. No coincidence why so many members have left and been fired over the years. The guy is a huge egomaniac.
Taking the Mr. Bungle comparison even further - members of Dog Fashion Disco (a band very openly inspired by Mr. Bungle's sound) collaborated with members of Mushroomhead (and Ryan Dunn of Jackass) in a band called The Alter Boys, another very Mr. Bungle inspired band.
i really wish they keep the mr bungle vibe for a little longer for both bands because mushroomhead could be much cooler than they are right know (if they are cool that is)
Mike Patton is basically the Dude. Faith No More, Mr. Bungle, Tomahawk and FANTOMAS!!! Yes... I saw one of Fantomas' first shows (before they even released their CD) at the tiny Galaxy Club in Dallas, TX we had Mike Patton , Trevor Dunn, Dave Lombardo and Buzz Osbourne.... SO.... room full of musicians because well... look who's in the band right. THEN they come out and do this Fantomas thing... we were like WHAT THE??? They got booed over and over... but Mike Patton kept right on with it. Probably one of the best shows I've even been to... period. I'll never forget that experience.
Dude u never cease to amaze me AJ ❤️ I immediately thought of Mr. Bungle😂. And I also thought that mushroom head and slipknot beef was started by both bands because they are based close to each other. And that beef boosts popularity. So they were probably in on it together. Because they know this👍
Mad good theory. So true. I’ve heard Slipknot talk about Bungle, but I first heard about them from Korn. Head gives them full credit for his guitar sound
December 25,1990 I got my first ever album that was mine and not borrowed from my older sister, Faith No More - The Real Thing. I got that cassette and a Emerson Am/FM Tape player for Christmas. I got some other stuff that year but it was all put to the side and I was glued to the cheap tape player and Blue cassette I got. (Yes the inner tape was Blue) I played the hell out of it. I can even remember first time hearing Slipknot. I got a We Sold Our Soul For Rock 'N' Roll: The Ozzfest '99 Cd sampler with 2 rough mixes of Surfacing and Wait and Bleed. I played it on repeat until the self titled came out a couple weeks later. Holy shit the things you remember and don't.
I love how this video turned into a big shout out to Mr Bungle. They def need more coverage here but most importantly EVERYWHERE. Still waiting on that history of GWAR documentary though AJ
I think we can thank Mr Bungle for pretty much all of the Nu Metal scene, alongside Primus. Literally all the main Nu Metal bands take some inspiration from Mr Bungle, the main examples being Korn and Slipknot.
💯 , Mr bungle and Primus greatest bands no one talks about because they arent into mainstream stuff, I'm sure both of those bands wont care for nu metal as the genre is a watered down version of what made their songs great, but nu metal got big and can no longer be denied, its great to hear that atleast they are being recognized as highly influential acts.
It's worth noting that even before Mr. Bungle, there were bands like The Residents and Devo who wore masks on stage with goofy antics that undeniably had to have influence on Mr. Bungle.
Funny enough, I first got into Mr. Bungle when I was... 11 or 12 years old because Slipknot fansites commented on the inspiration (and there were interviews where Joey gushed about his appreciation for them, I think he even mentioned his favorite album at the time was California). Love the excerpt of Mr. Bungle's LA concert you included! And incredible point to the video overall, Mr. Bungle definitely deserves all the appreciation.
I had a tattoo artist in the early 00s that was crazy about slipknot. Once I got into them, i probably never gave MH a fair chance and have never really regretted that decision. Thx for the scoop on Mr. bungle.
Damn, House of Masks, I see your videos since ~ 2015. Still today I enjoy watching you. Sorry for my bad english in writing. I can understand english but writing is a little bit difficult for me. Keep going, you Rock ! Greetings from a german fan ☺
Mr. Bungle for sure. Especially for Slipknot I think. Saw an interview where CT said that watching Faith No More play Epic on MTV VMA's was super inspiring.
Aaaahhhhhhhhh AJ you nailed it I was going to say somewhat the same thing. Plus I've always been a huge fan of Mr Bungle since I saw the shirt on Mike Patton in The Epic video. You killing it with the videos AJ super solid and to the point ! Finally someone who gets it ! Always bringing the goods! Enjoy AJ
Not for nothing but I saw Mushroomhead 3 nights ago as they opened up for Static X. They were solid AF. Super tight performance. I love Slipknot more but just saying LOL
To me,, slipknot sounds like alot like other bands... mushroomhead songs are more interesting and the imagery of the costumes are extra creepy. I'm a guitar player and truly like mushroomhead better. Although no guitar solos, still like them better.
Back in 06 or 07 there was talk of a documentary called A Few Tears Short of a Clown and it was supposed to feature members of Mushroomhead exposing Slipknots rise to fame but it never came out
I remember being in junior high, completely obsessed with Slipknot, and scouring the old angelfire fan sites. That’s when I first heard about Mr. Bungle, and the similarities between them and Slipknot. Fuck, I’m old.
I don't understand how rock fans in the USA are unaware of many bands? I mean, they tour for years in front of thousands of people in each city, is every generation disconnected from each other or do people not share music?
Of that Bay Area art, rock-against-rock music scene, I always preferred Acid Rain/Idiot Flesh to Mr. Bungle, probably because I heard them first. They later became Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and created some genuinely odd metal(?) music. Hymn to the Morning Star and Donkey-Headed Adversary are amazing back to back songs, along with Sleep is Wrong. Sort-of Dadaist music and worth a look - Nils Frykdahl is a genius.
I have seen both bands live. Seen slipknot play twice, once in 2015 & then again in January of 2020. Saw mushroomhead open for Insane Clown Posse in 2017 . While slipknot, are without a doubt the bigger band. Hands down! I think there is still something really unique, about watching a Mushroomhead set. With the Blue man group style water drums? Yes... I do also listen to Mr Bungle, from time to time! 🤙
Big yikes to all the people commenting before watching. Ya look dumb.
People not getting past the TITLE?! On a RUclips video?!
It's more likely than you think!
Great video!
They played themselves.
It's easy to look dumb, when you are dumb. YOLO.
They do be ragin
AJ: "So, which band copied who?"
>Slipknot & Mushroomhead fans standing to raise their torches and pitchforks if he chooses the "wrong answer."
AJ: "Mr. Bungle!"
>Slipknot and Mushroomhead fans slowly sit back down in confusion.
I like both slipknot and mushroomhead but for different reasons. Slipknot for their more crazy heavy music and their insane live shows. Mushroomhead for their underground live shows and their more nu metal sound. I'll definitely be checking out Mr bungle
Great video like always AJ🔥🤘🏿 the beginning with the sticker, fucking hilarious bro . If you know you know no need to even talk lol
Mr. Bungle... dude prepare for one helllllll of a deep rabbit hole lol
@@jaygage1555 checked them out. I didn't really care for em. Just not my cup of tea
@@slipknotmaggot666m8 lol yea they are definitely an acquired taste lol
@@slipknotmaggot666m8 you gotta give an open minded listen to the California album. Kicks the fuck out of everything mushroomhead has ever done
Huge fan of both bands. Slipknot being my favorite, Mushroomhead being a band I'm super passionate about. 100% both bands were inspired by Mr. Bungle. You can definitely hear the inspiration in Mushroomhead's music with all the keyboards and weird elements. Seen both Slipknot and Mushroomhead live. Slipknot has an incredible stage presence, and killer sound. While Mushroomhead's shows are smaller, they're a bit more intimate. People can like whoever they want, both bands are great to me!
Basically neither band copied each other. They just had similar ideas...
Mr. Bungle Rules by the way.
"The Air Conditioned Nightmare" is my favorite song by them & I love their new album (The Bunny). Thanks for this video it is great for other people in this hobby/scene to learn new things about more obscure sh*t. 🤘🏻
Squeeze me macaroni is my personal favorite from Mr bungle. Such a quirky and high energy song!
Man, there life performance of ACN is amazing.
Bungle does rule. Thank u.
Techno Desert Allah is mine next to either Dead Goon or Girls Of …
Yea whole California album was so fire
THERE REALLY SHOULD BE A MUSHROOMHEAD AND SLIPKNOT CONCERT, IMAGINE IF BOTH THESE BANDS HAD EACOTHERS BACK AND COLLABORATED!!
And they'd play it out like a duel, bassist vs bassist and what not
ILL ALWAYS PICK MUSHROOMHEAD BUT I LIKE SLIPKNOT TOO U KNOW, IT HAS ITS MOMENTS, BUT U CANT HATE ON SOMEONES GIG MASKS MAKE UP, ITS ALL BEEN DONE BEFORE, YOU CANT HATE OR LIKE MUSIC JUST CAUSE OF THE LOOK, MUSIC IS MUSIC, PLAN AND SIMPLE, FUCK ITS IMAGE!
Mushroom head and slipknot make absolute bangers
I'm glad MRH doesn't have the mainstream appeal Slipknot does, don't have to worry about as many douchebags, and smaller venues mean more intimate shows. Plus they pack the shit out of those clubs.
I legitimately believe that Mike Patton is literally one of the most gifted singers who has ever lived. People always roll their eyes when I say that, but who else has ever demonstrated the sheer vocal range that he has? He can sound like an angel one second, and completely inhuman the next with zero effort. His high notes, the animal noises, the guttural Cookie Monster vocals, sometimes all in the same breath- it's insane. Always great to see some Mr Bungle love on the channel. Do you have any Mr Bungle masks?
I couldn't agree with you more, I honestly respect Him incredibly. Mike Patton and Corey Taylor Ironically are two of the most talented vocalists in my eyes. Mikes the #1 best singer out there. How High, Low, Deep, and Weird he can make his voice sound good is honestly incredible to me. I love him so much!
Devin Townsend.
Although Townsend is stronger vocally in every thing he does than Patton.
And unlike Patton he's also not an asshole (had the displeasure of meeting Patton a few times, and both time he behaved like a schmuck). I still like Disco Volante though.
@@beezle1976 I've never met Patton so I can't comment on that, but I'll agree that talent-wise, Devin Townsend is for sure up there with him.
@@beezle1976 just the trend of all fucking trends that refuses to die, he's done fuck all worth listening to since SYL.
Gifted singer, yet his bands still suck!
MFKR really shows how much the band took inspiration from Mr. Bungle to stand out. Do Nothing is a great example of the inspiration.
I honestly don't think either band intentionally copied the other, at least not at first. They're not the first bands to choose to wear masks and makeup and they won't be the last.
I first heard Mr. Bungle back around 1994, my sister had their CD. Still to this day random lyrics from their song Squeeze Me Macaroni will pop into my head out of nowhere.
Watch the video lol
@@TheHouseOfMasks I did. Did I miss something? You gave your opinion in the video, I gave mine in the comments, and our opinions are basically the same. So what's the problem?
@@Sandman60077 you edited your comment, so sorry, that’s not how that works lol
@@TheHouseOfMasks Yeah, I edited it to add the part about Mr. Bungle. Sorry you don't believe that I watched the video. I don't know what your problem is, all I did was leave a comment agreeing with most of what you said. If you don't want people commenting on your videos then either turn off the comments or stop acting like a beeatch and STFU.
You hit the nail right on Craig's head with the Mr. Bungle connection, AJ. That was always my theory about this whole thing as well. I never thought either band ripped each other off, I just thought they were both very inspired by Mr. Bungle. Like you showed in the vid, both bands early music clearly shows that influence. Funny enough, just last night I was listening to a YT mix compilation of old Slipknot stuff (tracks from MFKR and some old demos) and YT's automatic content ID mistakenly claimed one of the songs as "The Bends" by Mr. Bungle 🤣. Strangely, that was the only song claimed too. I actually had a bit of an audible chuckle from that. So even YT's algorithms seem to agree about the Mr. Bungle influence lol. As for The Knot and Mushroomhead playing a show together, I think that would be pretty fucking epic tbh. Many fans seem to want it to happen and I think it probably will happen at some point. I just wish both bands would have handled the bs better from the start. I always thought it was a missed opportunity for the fans that they never played shows together. I've also thought each band would compliment each other extremely well if they toured together or at least played random shows together. Any Slipknot show you go to will be massive ofc, but if they announced even a single special show with Mushroomhead, it would be insane. It would be pretty monumental.
Anyway, great job on the video. I really like the direction you took it in, and introducing new people to the legendary Mr. Bungle & Mike Patton is always a good thing 🤘.
• Oh, and if anyone wants to see the YT algorithm thinking OG Slipknot is Mr. Bungle for themselves: The vid is titled "SlipKnoT Demos '95-'97" on some random channel called 8DaezTV.
It's weird to realize that Mr. Bungle is getting some royalties off of Slipknot tracks. It's as if Slipknot is paying forward their tribute to Bungle without even knowing 😂.
They didn't mistakenly put "the bends by mr. Bungle" on accident, because in the actual video it shows the bends by mr bungle and that's because slipknot used the song at their live concert at clearwater beach 1996
Mr. Bungle was so influential because they were such a diversity of so many types of music. As you were saying that both bands were very influenced by them. Mr. Bungle were super underated & way ahead of there time. AJ if you ever get a chance to, check out an old band called 'Pinkly Smooth.' If you haven't ever heard of them before. It's Brian Haner Jr. (Synister Gates) & Jimmy Sullivan (The Rev) (R.I.P.) from Avenged Sevenfold's old band before A7X. Keep the content coming & take care of yourself. Stay metal. 🤘
I have seen mushroomhead live like a week ago. It was the best show I have ever seen from any band (btw I've seen Slipknot twice before). They were taking photos with people, signing their stuff and just casually talking with everybody. Its a shame that they stayed in a shadow of slipknot and aren't as popular as they should :(
Its not a shame IMO, Slipknot is just a better band. The numbers dont lie 🤷🏼♂️
@@devilsadvocate1685 facts
I like Mushroomhead, but their music just doesn't stand up to Slipknot.
Sadly its not so much that they stayed in the shadow, as much as they didnt want to sign away the rights to their music to get a big push from a label. In the end it probably wasn't the best/smartest financial or professional decision, but they (Steve specifically) do/does own 100% of the library.
I fully believe that if they had signed with Roadrunner in 96 or 98 or whenever, that the placement on the large festivals would have pushed them up in place of Slipknot. Especially considering RR only went and found Knot after the MRH deal didnt work out.
An entire multiverse of possible "what if" scenarios for sure. For better or worse our musical tastes are largely based on what is easily presented before us. And the Knot got loads of radio play, touring opportunities, and advertisement beyond anything MRH could muster. Think I'm wrong, look no further than these comments on how many people are utterly oblivious to who Mr Bungle is. Or really any thing Mike Patton has done beyond Faith No More.
Slipknot is a studio band put together by a RoadRunner producer, the music isn't better, it's more saccharin and homogenized for the masses. When Slipknot signed with RR it was 4 guys, no masks and singer who wrapped himself with tape. Two years later, and it's nine guys in masks and orange jumpsuits, you do the math.
I actually found out about mushroom head through this whole situation of "who copied who" when I found out mushroomhead was from Ohio (my home state. Can't wait till October AJ 🤘) I was stoked. Slipknot will always and forever be one of my favorite bands. But there elements of mushroomhead that I really enjoy. I got to go to a mushroomhead show in Cleveland at the agora when I was 13 that was 5 years ago and I still loved that show. It was the best experience of my life and I wouldn't change anything about it. But hey. Everyone has their opinions on MRH just like elbows we got a couple of them so 🤷🏻♂️
Was crazy seeing MH live in Cleveland back in the 90's-2000's. Some of my favorite memories are from those shows. Some of Mushroomhead's members have alot of other bands that are super sick too. Especially Jmann & Dave "Gravy" Felton's bands. Dave is easily one of my favorite guitarists. Loved those shows as well. So many hidden metal gems that came out of Cleveland that most of the world have no clue about. I guess you'd have to frequent and grow up in that scene to fully respect and appreciate it. This was a time of no social media. Lots of hear say, Concert flyers, News papers and magazines is what got the word out about bands back then. Mushroomhead & Slipknot both will forever be killer bands to me . Old Skool MH is my shit. I'll say what isn't being said here about the MH success or lacking of it. They f*cked up turning down Roadrunner. It's that simple. With that Roadrunner support, Money and promotion they could have easily been as successful as Slipknot. Being bad decisions were made we'll never know now. I suppose it's all a matter of my opinion at this point lol. Despite of knowing how the industry works and how fans or just humans react with the psychology of these things being put in their face and ear holes. They would have definitely been more successful with Roadrunner. Love your channel dude. 🤘🏼💀
"Gravy" was one of their best guitarists. I was super bummed when they split with him. Fired by his own brother. Smh.
@@sammitchell3657 I understand the feels man. They haven't sound the same since. They try like hell but it's just Mushroomhead Lite to be honest. I'm probably gonna catch some sh*t for saying that. F*ck it.
@@sammitchell3657 Yeah... Skinny is a prick. I love OG Mushroomhead, but there has been a lot of treacherous shit happening in that band over the years. Skinny (along with his wife) has taken full control of the whole band in every aspect and thinks he's the whole damned show too. Yet, he's the one who's ran that band into the ground, and in so many different ways too. They haven't released a good album (imo) since XIII. Which is because Skinny takes over the role of producer (on top of everything else), instead of working with somebody who knows what they're doing. Unfortunately, MH has just sounded like a huge clusterfuck to me for years and years now. The potential is there, but the music is just taken in such ridiculous and nonsensical directions. Skinny thinks he is Mushroomhead, but they'd be much better off without him. All this bs has been sad to see.
@@EXSENTRIX Ehh... Hopefully i'll take the brunt of it from my take I just posted lol. Like you said though, fuck it.
*EDIT:* I really miss those shows from back in the day too man. Unfortunately I never got to see them in their hometown in Cleveland, but the shows were still off the wall here in AZ back then. I can only imagine the home shows 🤘.
Hit the nail on the coffin, Mr Bungle is one of the most greatest bands ever! am a huge Die Hard Mushroomhead fan my first show was they're Halloween show in Cleveland of 99. I also love Slipknot! Both bands are great and sound nothing like each other but are similarities for sure. This video was the best analogy on these bands and I'm so glad you brought up Mr Bungle cuz without Mr Bungle these two bands would have never been what they are. If you love this kind of music you should check out Circus of Dead Squirrels and dog fashion Disco! I guarantee you will not be let down!
Mr Bungle is one of my favorite bands. Bought all of their studio albums back in 2000 when a friend introduced me to the song Goodbye Sober Day. Still my favorite song of theirs. Also, I saw Mushroomhead and Slipknot the following year.
I had always wondered about the probability of 2 different random groups of people in different states having the same music ideas around the same time. This certainly does help clarify and increase that probability. Had never heard of Mr. Bungle but will be looking them up. Thanks.
Mr.Bungle fact: the clown on the cover of their self titled album was done in the likeness of Paul "Chesty" Mortier. Paul was a clown with Ringling Bros back in the 1940's/1950's and pioneered some of the signature clown routines that carried over to future generations.
The great thing about Mr. Bungle is how deep and profound the subject matter of their songs (usually) is, the lyrics are just often veiled under several layers of silly goofy metaphors. Also their unique eccentricity and musical prowess is greatly underappreciated
Mr bungle 1991 Travolta music video influenced a ton of up coming bands and they did while grunge was dominating the scene, pretty impressive. Also Mike Patton and FNM in 1992 angel dust became the blueprint for nu metal, even the fashion, short haired vocalist with eyebrow piercing, wearing sports hats 😂 if you saw a 1992 picture of Mike Patton in you would think it was from 1998.
Funnily enough, there’s another masked band from this era that also sounded pretty similar to Mr. Bungle. There was this little-known band called Sykotik Sinfoney. They wore these weird masks and costumes and their only claim to fame was having their song “Manic Depresso” in a horror movie called Bad Channels. I think they broke up awhile back, but their music was actually pretty cool imo. It definitely had that Mike Patton influence all over it. You should check them out for a masked band review.
You know I don’t think people appreciate just how influential Mr Bungle actually is,
Korn has sited them as one of their main influences sound wise, if you take a way the hip hop drum and bass pattern and listen to the guitars, it’s a bunch of reworked bungle riffs,
And korn wether you like them or not was a helluva influence on metal in the 90s gaining hella popularity and having people emulate the Korn sound,
Low af tunings and crazy sounding riffs,
So with no Mr bungle, the modern metal scene would not have become what it is today.
Shouts out to Mr Bungle
Yea I read somewhere that mike Patton was not happy that he was one of the major influences on the whole “nu-metal “ genre lol. Bc they all cite him as major influence
Never heard of Mr Bungle, now I'm gonna check them out. I think you did great with this video and explained everything really well. For sure both bands took inspiration from them.
It's Mike Patton of Faith no more side band
@@truthhurts79 its actually his main band, FNM is more of a day job for Patton. Btw for the dude who wants to start with Bungle , start of with their song Travolta, you'll see where the mask and horror sound came from.
Mr.Bungle is absolutely amazing! Mike Patton is hands down without a doubt the most underrated best vocalist of all time. Thank you for sharing!!
I'm so happy to see Mr. Bungle get some more exposure. They don't get nearly enough recognition. I'm a big fan of Pink Cigarette, and the awesome fan made music video. Great stuff!
I'm a huge Mushroomhead fan & I am so glad you're finally making a video speaking out the truth of the whole "SLIPKNOT V. MUSHROOMHEAD" fiasco. The reason I never jump into that garbage comparison because I am sick of these belligerent grade-A douchebags who are fans from both bands always mouthing off & beefing against each other like they're at some Civil War reenactment. Everything you said in that video are 100% correct, both bands did in fact hate each other, both were talking shit about each other, even Mushroomhead tried to fabricate & sugarcoat it to make it where they're like "oH iTs AlL fAnMaDe iT wAs AlL dOnE bY dA fAnS wE lUv SlIpKnOt" to hide away the fact that they're guilty of the involvement of this feud. You are totally correct that both bands actually got their inspirations from Mr. Bungle. Not gonna lie, I do love that song "Quote Unquote". It really sounds like that weird goofy Willy Wonka Looney Tunes style music. Mike Patton is such a musical genius! I get that you don't like Mushroomhead which I no problem with that, I'm just so glad that you finally brought the truth about this whole insanely nonsensical comparison. I'll continue watching your videos because I definitely love watching your entire mask collection!
Civil War reenactment 😂
I really like the video (especially the Les Claypool joke) and the only thing I would disagree with is that the first slipknot and mushroomhead albums are pretty different. The mushroomhead ablum is heavily keyboard driven with less focus on guitar while the keyboards in the slipknot albulm are more of a supporting role to the guitar.
I absolutely love that you throw light on Bungle and Patton. Such legends!
Also, Corey recently (within the last year) had mentioned wanting to do a tour. Honestly, out of MH, Jeffery was really the only band member to fuel anything. This is coming from a native Clevelander who knows people connected to the band. Most members were, sure, envious of Slipknot's success, but happy for them. The MH fans, however, they were just jerks, but only the ones out of Cleveland.
It is though, highly noticed that Slipknot doesn't do shows in Cleveland very often and I think it has a lot to do with the beef, and quite frankly what happened at their first show that came through
As soon as I started the video, I was hoping you would mention Mr. Bungle. Such an awesome band. Great vid!
XIII is a masterpiece of an album especially at the time. Whats unfortunate is that both bands lost their touch over the years and haven't put out a good album in awhile.
Idk..I loved The Righteous and The Butterfly, and the guy replacing Nothing has insane range.
My favorite off the new album
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And my fave off TRTB
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U may like
@@jacklevitt3727 I love TRTB too! I was including that in my comment, the album is almost ten years old 🤧I do like the newest album too it has a lot of shining moments but its just doesn't stand on its own like the old ones do, at least in my opinion.
@@TheModernModder their newest album does not compare to The righteous and the butterfly
As a teenager I remember coming across a Mr bungle CD at a CD shop and immediately love them. This was 20 plus years ago and my friends all looked at me like I was crazy for liking the band but now that they came across this video they all agree with me 😂😂😂🤷 thank you so much for bringing them to light they are definitely a band worth mentioning 💖
I like both bands but never really thought either of them copied each other. You did hit the nail on my major issue with Mushroomhead and it's definitely the business decisions they've made over the years. Also glad to see someone bring up Mr. Bungle here.
Hats off for mentioning Mr Bungle and Mike Patton! J-Mann has openly expressed his love for Mike Patton, Mr bungle and Faith No More.
Interestingly I think Mike Patton liked wearing the gimp mask because he just hit it big with faith no more epic video on mtv and didn't want that to distract from bungle. Similar to the reason you said mushroomhead wore their masks being in different bands.
I can definitely see Mr Bungle being an influence to both bands during those ancient times
Literally the only person I’ve ever even heard mention Mr. Bungle in regards to Slipknot and it makes so much sense. Corey even attributed Faith No More’s performance of Epic at I believe the VMAs as the reason he didn’t kill himself and decided to continue with music. As always on your shit with the music.
(Sad I missed Mr. Bungle AND Faith No More when Mike dropped out of the tour)
Not to mention! Dave Lombardo was in Mr. Bungle! If one of the greatest drummers in the world joins your band? You know you're doing something right. 🤘🏻
Hell yeah man🤘
So as huge mushroomhead fan before a slipknot fan as a teen and Going to see mushroomhead a few days from now still as a fan, but after never hearing about Mr. Bungle to now... I seeeeeee. Wow. Just makes me like all the bands (including slipknot, mushroomhead, and Mr bungle) even more
I'm always learning from your videos. There was a few things I didn't know about the Slipknot/MushroomHead situation. Also never heard of Mr. Bungle. Thanks for the knowledge, and the content 🖤🤟🏼
I really like both bands. I never understood the point of the debate since they're 2 different beasts. Fans are still all "who came first?" when both bands were inspired by Mr. Bungle like you pointed out.
As someone who was actually there, a close friend of members of the Slipknot, and watched the progression and evolution of the band, I think maybe I can clear up a lot of this silliness. Mr. Bungle was a huge influence on Shawn, no way around it. He was way into that band along with a lot of more experimental bands and confrontational industrial Art like Survival Research Laboratories. When I first saw Slipknot in 1995 it seemed more like Performance Art than a Metal Show. Unlike metal and rock's standard grandstanding and pain-stricken guitar solo faces, it was like a weird Dadaist play, backyard freak show, or a DIY horror movie.
I think unless you were a part of the underground music scene in the late 80s and early 90s, it's hard to understand the level of experimentation that was going on. Since no one was paying attention, a lot of strange and sometimes wonderful bands appeared. Largely because of the Punk and Hardcore influence on the underground, pretty much anything was allowed. From Riot Grrll bands playing topless and mutilating strapons on stage with chainsaws to Gwar to bands doing complete stage shows with lighting and special effects, they can up with on their own. There was always a sense of danger in going to a show by a band you had never heard of. I mean was it going to be four guys staring at their shoes for 45 minutes or were you going to watch a guy shoot half dollars out of his belly button, a 6foot woman do fire breathing or get sprayed with urine. And the boys were at Safari night after night taking notes.
As far as the mask thing goes, it started out with their first show being Halloween and it just became their thing. Now the coveralls thing is a little different. Mr. Bungle, Slipknot, and Mushroomhead were not the first to wear coveralls. Also, they were the first to use numbers. If you really want to go far back, DeVo started performing in Ohio back in 1972. I know they aren't really metal but they were a huge band in the early 80s. So coveralls and masks are really nothing groundbreaking. Oh, and something must people miss is the influence of Clockwork Orange.
In 1997, Shawn owned Safari Nite Club and there are two bands that played that summer that both wore coveralls and identified with numbers. The first was Bobgoblin and the other was Mog Stunt Team. MST is a prime example of the weirdness of 1990 and a wonderful rabbit hole to explore. They "believed" that an alien was following them around and sabotaging their shows. They were scheduled twice in 1997, the first time hours before the show, the whole club flooded with sewage. The second time Slipknot opened for them on September 12th, 1997. the most notable part of this show is that Andy quit on stage. Now did he quit because of the alien's influence? It is one of those mysteries that may never be solved. One thing I can say is that the numbers appeared shortly after that. Also, MST was on Amphetamine Reptile Records and toured extensively and I'm sure played Cleveland and so did Bobgoblin.
By the time they were signed to Roadrunner in July of 1998, Slipknot's music including a majority of the Self-Titled album were standards in their set. The masks, coveralls, stage show, and numbers had been a part of the band for over 10 months. For the most part, they were the band that would appear at Ozzfest and takes everyone by surprise. The first time the band even had heard the name Mushroomhead was during a visit to Roadrunners offices in New York to finalize the details of the contract. Paul told me a few days after they returned that one of the A&R people at RR had shown them a press kit of this band from Ohio that wore masks and coveralls. They had shopped themselves to RR but nothing came of it. So, this idea that they copied Mushroomhead or that Roadrunner "Developed" Slipknot, is not founded in facts. Though I can see where seeing this band come out of nowhere and seems a lot like yours on a label you had shopped to, could raise some eyebrows. However, at the time I don't think anyone outside of Ohio had a clue who they were.
I've heard a lot of rumors over the years about MRH's dealings with RR. One was that they flat out were rejected by RR and the other was that MRH had refused the deal offered to them. Who knows what the truth is. I know that one thing is a fact, RR didn't sign Slipknot, Ross Robinson did on his imprint label. Ross had an ongoing relationship with the band and had even showcased them in Los Vegas at the EAT'M festival. It was after the three or four major labels that seemed interested passed that Ross decided to just sign them to IAM Recordings and release them through RR. Really without Ross' belief in the band, who knows what would have happened. Most of the major labels at the time were scared of Slipknot. They just didn't see them as a "product" they could invest in. In a way, Mushroomhead should have been thanking Slipknot for bringing masked, coverall-wearing metal bands into the mainstream.
What I got out of it was Shawn owned a night club and had the opportunity to borrow themes from many bands. Threw it into a huge pot called it slipknot. Then they sold it to everyone. Including myself. It’s great fucking music. We can all cry about line up changes but everyone watching has labeled themselves a maggot at sometime or another or you wouldn’t be watching.
ok but that jeffery nothing tattoo goes so fucking hard
Honestly in my opinion it doesn’t matter who copied who because at the end of the day slipknot is cool and has good masks and mushroom head is not cool and has worse masks
😂
I was fortunate enough to see Mr. Bungle when they got back together for a Knotfest show. Aren't my cup tea but they are definitely an influential group! Never thought about them influencing both bands but you make a really good argument.
"I'm not knocking Mushroomhead, even though I am because they deserve it"
"Slipknot sells more tickets so they are superior"
Show us on the doll where Mushroomhead hurt you
Now that’s what I call a cringey comment
As much as I liked them both, to finally hear that neither of them ripped off from each other now lays my confusion to res. Thanks AJ! And I luv SK and MSH altogether
The "Cough Cough" at Les Claypool killed me 😂 But, honestly, I am a Maggot at heart and always found a few Mushroomhead songs unique.
Bro your research/ topic videos are always so fucking good
Thanks!
Glad I got to see the original. I’m saying we sack RUclips, and by sack I’m mean smell my balls. Great vid, always love mushroomhead digs.
During an 1996 Slipknot gig - "The Bends" by Mr Bungle, can be heard playing between breaks.
Mike Patton is a musical/artistic genius.that guy is and always will be fucking rad.
An acid head in 89
Put me up on Mr bungle.
Was really weird music at the time lol.
actually great video covering pop culture history, ty! the corey tattoo is some psychotic shit lol
it’s a shame it affected slipknot bc pauls pig mask is not just his best but one of the bands most emblematic look, i still take it over most of the masks slipknot has now.. it’s getting too mm fancy
I like em both, they're similar yet different in their sound.
But Mushroomhead started in 93 and had a pig mask, Slipknot started in 95 and had a pig mask. It's pretty hard to not think Slipknot was influenced by them heavily
But they definitely loved Patton faith no more and Mr Bungle
I've really always been more of a Mr bungle person, and it actually infuriated me when people brought up Slipknot vs. Mushroom head. Glad you brought mr bungle into the conversation, doing gods work. 🙏
In that video of slipknot in australia during self titled corey says they're mr bungle fans, that's how I found out about bungle
I miss band feuds they were pretty fun
Who can we start a new one with?
Damn I honestly didn’t think there was really any “copying” I just assumed there was at least some inspiration but hearing about me. Bungle has me intrigued. I will definitely look into their music.
It’s funny cause this answer is basically just from a Slipknot fan who doesn’t wanna admit mushroomhead did it first, so instead goes back to find some of the influences of both bands to give them credit lol
Kinda funny thing I got into Mr. Bungle cause of this dumb feud lol. Not at first it was from a much more chill Slipknot fan that just found the whole thing funny a "ya the early days where close cause they were both inspired by Mr. Bungle and emulating them duh" that actually made me check him out and really loved it. Better for everyone to move past it but any time the "feud" gets brought up now a days it just gives me a chuckle at this point.
I said the same thing 9ish years ago in high school. I had a buddy show me Bungle back then & after getting into them I swore to him OG self-titled Slipknot reminded me of them. I didn't expect you to bring it up in this by no means honestly.
People's definition of success is super different. If I'm able to perform my art in front of people for 30 years and make a living off it I call that success.
They don’t make a living off of it though, that’s why they all have regular jobs and/or end up leaving the band permanently lol
Mike Patton got me into some weird music, from the EP with Dillinger, Moon Child, Mr Bungle etc.
He is literally the reason I fell in love with music from FNM.
But hey, fools be fools and they be dumb.
I saw a video years ago where Cory Taylor talked about this. He suggested doing a tour with Slipknot, Mushroomhead, GWAR, and Mudvayne.
While I was acutely aware of all 3 bands. This was a very entertaining lil plug for bungle.
LOVE Mr Bungle (and FNM too) and it’s great to see AJ giving them some love. That first album is a must listen and the new album is super. The middle two albums are worth a definite listen.
Cheers again AJ for the Mr Bungle mention and their importance.
I literally only came to this channel for these kind of videos but after checking out your other videos im kinda hooked, so keep up the good work mate
Both bands are good in my mind. Sincerely love them both. Have listened to both religiously since I was a teenager. When it comes to comparing bands and sounds. All of slipknot albums have consistency, and have a very distinctive sound. You listen to slipknot, you know what you're getting. While mushroomhead albums all sound very different. Some had more of a straight forward metal sound, some have more ballads and clean vocals, some have a nu-metal sound where others are more experimental and throw techno stuff in. They're definitely different and have their own thing going on. Between the two? Slipknot wins. They have more visuals and their live shows are better, but not knocking mushroomhead in the slightest bit. They're both good. I never understood why so many people had to choose and argue between the two. Enjoy them both, and support em both.
But, I will say this. fuck skinny. I heard he's a dick. No coincidence why so many members have left and been fired over the years. The guy is a huge egomaniac.
Taking the Mr. Bungle comparison even further - members of Dog Fashion Disco (a band very openly inspired by Mr. Bungle's sound) collaborated with members of Mushroomhead (and Ryan Dunn of Jackass) in a band called The Alter Boys, another very Mr. Bungle inspired band.
i really wish they keep the mr bungle vibe for a little longer for both bands because mushroomhead could be much cooler than they are right know (if they are cool that is)
Solitary unravelling by Mushroom head is my fave song
Mike Patton is basically the Dude. Faith No More, Mr. Bungle, Tomahawk and FANTOMAS!!! Yes... I saw one of Fantomas' first shows (before they even released their CD) at the tiny Galaxy Club in Dallas, TX we had Mike Patton , Trevor Dunn, Dave Lombardo and Buzz Osbourne.... SO.... room full of musicians because well... look who's in the band right. THEN they come out and do this Fantomas thing... we were like WHAT THE??? They got booed over and over... but Mike Patton kept right on with it. Probably one of the best shows I've even been to... period. I'll never forget that experience.
Dude u never cease to amaze me AJ ❤️ I immediately thought of Mr. Bungle😂. And I also thought that mushroom head and slipknot beef was started by both bands because they are based close to each other. And that beef boosts popularity. So they were probably in on it together. Because they know this👍
I remember hearing about Mr. Bungle through the Y2K-Records from IllWillPress (who also makes the Foamy the Squirrel cartoons).
100% correct, Mr Bungle and FNM were a massive influence on all Nu Metal so it makes complete sense
Mad good theory. So true. I’ve heard Slipknot talk about Bungle, but I first heard about them from Korn. Head gives them full credit for his guitar sound
December 25,1990 I got my first ever album that was mine and not borrowed from my older sister, Faith No More - The Real Thing. I got that cassette and a Emerson Am/FM Tape player for Christmas. I got some other stuff that year but it was all put to the side and I was glued to the cheap tape player and Blue cassette I got. (Yes the inner tape was Blue) I played the hell out of it. I can even remember first time hearing Slipknot. I got a We Sold Our Soul For Rock 'N' Roll: The Ozzfest '99 Cd sampler with 2 rough mixes of Surfacing and Wait and Bleed. I played it on repeat until the self titled came out a couple weeks later. Holy shit the things you remember and don't.
I love how this video turned into a big shout out to Mr Bungle. They def need more coverage here but most importantly EVERYWHERE. Still waiting on that history of GWAR documentary though AJ
I never heard of mr bungle but I’m happy you introduced him to me thank you
I think we can thank Mr Bungle for pretty much all of the Nu Metal scene, alongside Primus. Literally all the main Nu Metal bands take some inspiration from Mr Bungle, the main examples being Korn and Slipknot.
💯 , Mr bungle and Primus greatest bands no one talks about because they arent into mainstream stuff, I'm sure both of those bands wont care for nu metal as the genre is a watered down version of what made their songs great, but nu metal got big and can no longer be denied, its great to hear that atleast they are being recognized as highly influential acts.
It's worth noting that even before Mr. Bungle, there were bands like The Residents and Devo who wore masks on stage with goofy antics that undeniably had to have influence on Mr. Bungle.
Funny enough, I first got into Mr. Bungle when I was... 11 or 12 years old because Slipknot fansites commented on the inspiration (and there were interviews where Joey gushed about his appreciation for them, I think he even mentioned his favorite album at the time was California). Love the excerpt of Mr. Bungle's LA concert you included! And incredible point to the video overall, Mr. Bungle definitely deserves all the appreciation.
I had a tattoo artist in the early 00s that was crazy about slipknot. Once I got into them, i probably never gave MH a fair chance and have never really regretted that decision. Thx for the scoop on Mr. bungle.
Damn, House of Masks, I see your videos since ~ 2015. Still today I enjoy watching you. Sorry for my bad english in writing. I can understand english but writing is a little bit difficult for me.
Keep going, you Rock !
Greetings from a german fan ☺
Old metal revolver magazine had an article about Mike Patton where they had quoted Joey about his love for Patton's bands
God, I love Mr. Bungle. Mike Patton is one of my favorite singers.
Thank you for introducing us to Mr Bungle I am checking them out now good sir 👍👍
Mr. Bungle for sure. Especially for Slipknot I think. Saw an interview where CT said that watching Faith No More play Epic on MTV VMA's was super inspiring.
Aaaahhhhhhhhh AJ you nailed it I was going to say somewhat the same thing. Plus I've always been a huge fan of Mr Bungle since I saw the shirt on Mike Patton in The Epic video. You killing it with the videos AJ super solid and to the point ! Finally someone who gets it ! Always bringing the goods! Enjoy AJ
Not for nothing but I saw Mushroomhead 3 nights ago as they opened up for Static X. They were solid AF. Super tight performance. I love Slipknot more but just saying LOL
To me,, slipknot sounds like alot like other bands... mushroomhead songs are more interesting and the imagery of the costumes are extra creepy. I'm a guitar player and truly like mushroomhead better. Although no guitar solos, still like them better.
Mushroomhead is one of my favorite bands I’ve seen them live 5 or 6 times
I’m sorry
Back in 06 or 07 there was talk of a documentary called A Few Tears Short of a Clown and it was supposed to feature members of Mushroomhead exposing Slipknots rise to fame but it never came out
I remember being in junior high, completely obsessed with Slipknot, and scouring the old angelfire fan sites. That’s when I first heard about Mr. Bungle, and the similarities between them and Slipknot. Fuck, I’m old.
I don't understand how rock fans in the USA are unaware of many bands? I mean, they tour for years in front of thousands of people in each city, is every generation disconnected from each other or do people not share music?
Who are you talking to? You're making a very, very stupid assumption. Are all the people from your country as stupid as you are? See how that works?
Pretty Informative Video Aj. I always thought that both bands just got the inspiration for their looks from The Shape.
Also on atomic opera's (Jim's old band) 1992 cassette at around the 40 minute mark, faith no more's "falling to pieces" starts playing.
Of that Bay Area art, rock-against-rock music scene, I always preferred Acid Rain/Idiot Flesh to Mr. Bungle, probably because I heard them first. They later became Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and created some genuinely odd metal(?) music. Hymn to the Morning Star and Donkey-Headed Adversary are amazing back to back songs, along with Sleep is Wrong. Sort-of Dadaist music and worth a look - Nils Frykdahl is a genius.
I have seen both bands live. Seen slipknot play twice, once in 2015 & then again in January of 2020.
Saw mushroomhead open for Insane Clown Posse in 2017 .
While slipknot, are without a doubt the bigger band. Hands down!
I think there is still something really unique, about watching a Mushroomhead set. With the Blue man group style water drums?
Yes... I do also listen to Mr Bungle, from time to time! 🤙
I didn't know about mushroom head until today when I was researching the soundtrack for Return to House on Haunted Hill.