Why Is The Curse of Oak Island Lying to Us?
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This past week, the show turned from shading the truth to outright lying to us. In the episode, “The Master Plan,” the show resurrected the Zena Halpern map, revealed a few years earlier.
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SEMANTIC STUDY OF LA ROCHEFOUCAULD AND LA FORMULE DOCUMENTS
Olivier Schmitt
7 Jan 2021
All dictionary references sources are from www.cnrtl.fr which is the site of the CNRS (National Scientific Research center), who compiled all known old French dictionaries in this online database. If you want to use it, here is an example with the word “Anse”:
www.cnrtl.fr/definition/anse
Just change “Anse” for any query you need.
Introduction
I’m hereafter assessing the date at which the first known reference for the word is certified by the CNRS. I’m letting off trivia words and concentrating on the most appealing to me. My ultimate goal is to date the time at which these words were written based on their chronological context.
La Rochefoucauld Map - Bottom text
MILLE
I personally don’t believe un mille trois cent quarante sept is a date on this map. Why ? because the word “un”. In French, when you express a date, you don’t use an article, and specifically not “Un”. On the opposite “un mille” is one mile. No other meaning possible.
I needed to check that the modern word “Mile” spelled the same in French and English did exist under the form “Mille” long time ago. It is the case, since 1213 : Étymol. et Hist. 1. 1213 «mesure itinéraire de mille pas chez les anciens Romains». Interesting, this is defined as one thousand steps in Roman time….
www.cnrtl.fr/definition/mille
INDIEN
When did the French start to use the word Indien to describe native Americans?
1588 for Amerindien, and 1721 for the short contraction Indien
www.cnrtl.fr/definition/Indien
La Rochefoucauld Map - Top right corner text
DESSIN
to CNRS, the word Dessin under this spelling for only appeared in….. 1680 !
I doubed this until I read: 1680 dessin (Rich. : Quelques modernes écrivent le mot de dessein [t. de peint.] sans e après les deux s, mais on ne les doit pas imiter en cela).
Let me translate this bit: Richelieu wrote : “some modern people write dessin without “e” after the 2 “s”, we should not imitate them”. So Richelieu (1585 - 1642) , was saying I heard some crazy people wrote dessin this way but it shouldn’t be. The official registered date for this spelling is 1680, but could have appeared in common language of some artists as early as 1605.
The former spelling was dessein, in use since 1529.
VERRE
Officially recorded since 1160 for a drinking glass
La Rochefoucauld Map - Island
VOUTE
Voute had the form “Volte” in 1135, “Voste” in 1526, and took is “Voute” form only since 1678.
Another surprise here. If the text was written before 1678, the spelling would have been “Volte or Voste” !
SOUPAPE
Certified in this form since 1419.
Conclusions:
The text on this document was written after 1721, base on the INDIEN word, or 1678 based on the spelling of VOUTE.
LAST THOUGHS:
The UN MILLE SOIXANTE CINQ PIED sentence :
If it is “MILLE SOIXANTE CINQ PIED”, it means 1065 feet
If it is « UN MILLE SOIXANTE CINQ PIED », it means 1 Mile and 65 feet. (now that I know Mile used to be spelled Mille)
If I take 1 mile from the “Atterrissage” point with is quite specific on the map, I end up with this....
Can't put puctures here but try for yourself with Googl earth. It hits 2 pints on Oak Island.....
I did the same study with La Formule if you're interested......
Thanks for reading
:)
Merci, Olivier. I greatly appreciate the time and effort you spent to gather and share this valuable information. It is very useful to hear from someone far more knowledgeable on French. What you found confirms the suspicions I had about the words on the map. The conclusion that map, if authentic, was was likely composed after 1721 fits with all of the verified artifacts on Oak Island. And yes, I am interested in what you found regarding La Formule.
There you are :)
La formule
HALTE
Halt (without the “e” at the end) dates back 1566. 1636 till 1665, the spelling changed to Alte.
The final Halte form only appeared in 1694
TERRER
I was surprised to learn that “terrer” does not mean to dig. It is the absolute contrary, as it means to fill a void. The striking definition I found “Combler une cavité du sol en y faisant couler une eau qui y dépose la terre qu'elle chasse », translates into « to fill a void in the ground by pouring water that will flush the present soil”. Striking as this is in perfect match with the money pit water trap.
I could translate the first words by : ”STOP, do not flush the bottom with water”, which add tremendous context !
The date at which we can find the first records of TERRER is 1180 (an old word)
ATTEINTE (literally “Reach”)
Here again, I did not know the word had slightly different meaning in old times. It can mean to reach one’s objectives, back in 1285. Ca 1295 : venir à son atteinte « parvenir à ses fins ».
« Porter atteinte » mean to hit something or someone in the 15th century.
“Hors d’atteinte” means out of reach back in the 17th century, and still today.
DEGRE
So we knew degre is currently a measure of trigonometry. But between 1050 and roughly 1750, we were using this word to describe a “STEP” on a staircase.
CREUSER
Creuser exists sin 1172, no issue here.
HAMPE
Hampe meant in 1471 and still means a wooden stick or rod that is found on military pikes. Not a shaft, not a hole, no a digging related word, I think/
It can also describe a connector between letters in calligraphy. When, in hand writing, you connect a t and n for instance, the little dash connecting the 2 letters is a Hampe.
It can finally be a lever (wooden rod), which could put new light to the La formule statement, combining with the other Degre meaning I found: Arrived after 45 steps at a certain point, move the lever by 500 something
Excellent, thank you for your analysis. I wish the show would practice the same degree of due diligence.
Si l'auteur du dessin est anglais, ce qu'il me semble bien dû à certaines erreurs de français, il se peut qu'il aurait traduit "ONE thousand" to "UN mille"
Pour moi ce n'est pas une date, et puisque nous parlons d'aterrissement, c'est plutôt une mesure, et effectivement il existe une mesure "um mille".
"Mille" pourait aussi être la traduction de l'anglais "miles", toujours dans le cas, comme je le pense, òu l'auteur serait anglais.
En ce qui concerne "un petitE verre", au siècle 19 cette expression avec "petite" au lieu de "petit" signifiait "un verre d'absynthe".
That was well spotted and thankyou for posting this, it would make sense if treasure was buried in places other than Oak Island as it would keep treasure hunters off the trail of where the treasure is buried.
The number on the map makes sense for a location point and the Curse of Frog Island sounds more scary than the Curse of Oak Island lolz.
Thanks and you're welcome. I'm not offering any theories, but it's interesting how they seldom mention Frog Island on the show. They did do some work on Apple Island, where the map says not to go, and they've done more work than is shown on the show. That's my complaint: the increasing dishonesty.
@@InsertPhilosophyHere I like the show and think it is fascinating the amount of work and effort the guy's are putting in. Alot of it is guess work and they have to follow whatever leads they have, which is why it is strange that information on maps are not neing investigated properly, overlooked and kept from the public.
Why dont u attempt to contact the History Channel or Lagina's to reveal this to them. I'd try to contact them if i was u..
Great explanation that speaks to some nagging doubts I've been having. Good to have another point of view. Thanks.
Thanks. The show could be so much better if they'd just be more honest about what the data tells us.
This was better than finding rocks that mean nothing .and wood that means something but nobody knows what.
Could this be linked to tresure. naaaa not this time
I was intrigued by the title of your video and watched this as well as your other Oak Island related video you composed and posted . Whilst I agree with your idea that the show shouldn't be treated as a documentary or as factual I think that it has been lying to the viewers for years ,rather than shading the truth . In your example I believe that the map's provenance is highly suspect or missing and you were right to preface that fact before your translation of the number on it . The Curse of Oak Island never mentions how dubious the map's origins are so the casual or first time viewer sees it as a genuine artefact . There are too many lies of omission in the show to mention them all but I do get annoyed when the recent ringbolt was found and Carmen Legge stated it was from a small ship or boat . Two weeks later the narrator said it was from a large sailing ship !! My other perennial favorite is the show describing how Samuel Ball become one of the richest men in Nova Scotia !! His will is on the internet and he was certainly not a wealthy man when he died . He does have a genuinely interesting life though which leads me to a very positive experience from the show .
I started watching the Curse of Oak Island during season 3 . I had no previous interest in treasure stories but a lot of free time and cable TV . Although I came upon the show by accident , within a few weeks I had started to research the story and then other treasure hunting and metal detecting stories and shows . So I give the show credit for sparking something inside of me .
I believe that most viewers quickly catch on to the continuity issues , repetition and shading of the truth but for those with a genuine interest in the story Curse of Oak Island has unfortunately become the only was to get current news about the developments happening on the island . As you pointed out we rarely get to hear from the Fellowship of the Dig without them having to be careful what they reveal because of NDA's demanded by the production company .
I hope the benefits of the show outweigh the many frustrations and that it gives you many more leads or clues to follow up yourself . I too take what I want from the show as the story itself deserves further research . The one thing the show has proved is that something big happened on the island before 1795 .
Thank you very much for your great comment. I had read the Reader's Digest article years before so was quite excited by the show. It's interesting but the frequent red herrings and sensationalized nonsense is disappointing. I blame the production company.
But absolutely, yes, the Laginas have proven that something significant happened on Oak Island in the 17th and 18th centuries.Hopefully someday we'll be allowed to see and hear what really is going on.
Related to the myth that the Templars were responsible for the works at Oak Island, this article shows that the lead cross is not unique and not that ancient: atlantic.ctvnews.ca/16th-century-french-cross-found-at-n-b-development-site-1.4458120
I just saw this episode again and was confused, because the swamp was “made” during the 16-17 century. According to doctor spooner. Thanks for clearing things up
You are correct, Dr.Spooner's evidence points to swamp being created in the 1680s. Every dateable piece of evidence found on the island is from the 1680s or later.
Being french, I see another misinterpretation of one of the translation from french to english. Indeed, on top of the island on the island, it is said the the Angel, because it is assumed the french word looks like « la ange » except that it is not what is written. It is not La Ange (who actually shiuld be wriiten l’Ange to be proper french) but La Anse (what we see is not a G but a S. La Anse in english means the Creek !! Which here makes far more sense.
Yes, excellent observation, thank you.
Ah oui bien vu je confirme
At this point who cares if they find "treasure" . Just the artifacts and archeological finds are really fun to see them unearth
This is what happens when TV gets involved. I believe they know much more than what they are telling us. I'm sure they know all about Lidar. Flying a plane over the island with lidar would show every tunnel and other buried things.
You make a great point about lidar. Expensive though. But I think the fault lies in the Laginas and Craig Tester rather than with the TV show producers. 2020 showed how those three have the very common human bias of proceeding on the basis of what they know. They know how to dig holes, so that is what they did for six years. It was years before they brought in a metal detectorist, an archaeologist, and a . The pandemic forced them to give on the Big Dig idea and shift gears. That was when they discovered archaeology in earnest and the idea of testing the water, among other things. As they progress, they are increasingly open-minded about new technologies. Maybe lidar will happen someday.
And Lidar has been done twice....does it change a lot in 4-5 years??
@@InsertPhilosophyHere You can use lidar without a plane to save money. It looks like a lawn mower and you just pull or push it. They could get 100 volunteers if they wanted. That's another thing...why don't they bring in 100+ people to pick away at the roads and Ball's house instead of 4? It seems they just want to stall this show as much as possible. I now believe that a treasure was there but is long gone. Don't you think they would have found one piece of silver or gold from all those holes? They even found Marty's silver dollar that he threw down into one of the holes.
@@theborg They wisely don't invite volunteers because they are proceeding in a controlled scientific manner. I commend them for that. It is no surprise that they have found few objects of "treasure." This isn't made-for-TV "we need a happy ending each season" show. Archaeology, which is what they are doing, takes time. They are slowly piecing it together and we just need to get rid of the silly Templar nonsense and get to the truth. All of the evidence so far indicates the "treasure" was deposited in the 1680s and partially or fully recovered in the 1740s.
@@InsertPhilosophyHere What about the ship's railing? I think they said 1500s. Do you think that just washed in? The stone platform in the back of the swamp is even earlier than 1500. Don't you think they could bring in more "real" archeologists instead of the few that they have now. At first they had none, then they brought in one. Maybe they couldn't get permission...who knows.
Frog island also has a man made swap where parts of a ship was found . It was believed to be a sort of dock for repairing ships/ loading cargo etc.
Apple island is the "dont go here with a boat" with what appears to be a gravel jetty. the rest of the shore surrounding the island is very shallow. a larger ship would be grounded, but a raft could make it to the jetty. they also found what looked like sink holes on Frog island.
It was excavated by some folks from ST FX Uni. (i believe) who reported it to be natural erosion of giant portion of limestone rock. As for the Swamp feature, I remember something along the lines , they were stuck on something of it being a very unusual formation and unlikely natural.
Great information, thanks.
I know that a woman on the show recently, was trying to pinpoint where she thought the treasure vault might be, according to Zenas map. She said that where "La Volte en bas de terre" is pointing to on the French map, is where it is, and that they've been looking at "it" this whole time. The translated English version of the map that they've been looking at reads, "The Earth Vaulted Bay", which is NOT the correct translation... The correct translation would be, "The Vault is under the Earth/ground "... I have been scratching my head, asking myself, why hasn't anyone translated this correctly yet? That's ridiculous to me!
Thank you for that clarification. That is important to know and I had missed that error. I had high hopes that Erin Helton would bring some fact-based clarity to the investigation. Her first appearance was great, but this second one seemed to pander to the Templar myth. You pointing the incorrect translation confirms they are again bending the truth to push a myth..
@@InsertPhilosophyHere I'm 51yrs old, born in Chicago, both parents from Italy, and was raised in the Catholic Church. As a child, we would visit our family in Italy every 3 years, and while going to church, they would say Mass in Latin. I picked up on the similarities between the two languages, obviously because the Italian language came from the Latin language... Well, it's kind of the same with the French language. I don't know the French language, but, because I understand Italian, I can sort of understand French. The Lagina Brothers are of Italian decent, and they have had so many people helping them... I can't be the only one out there that has noticed the incorrect translation on the English version of Zenas map...
My wife is born and raised in Chicago and we lived there the first 9 years we were married. I know what you mean about knowledge of languages. My wife is fairly fluent in French so she can read much of Spanish and Italian. No doubt, you are correct that the Laginas and others involved have to know the show is mistranslating the map and it disappoints me that this subterfuge continues..
@@InsertPhilosophyHere Cool info about your wife and yourself! Yeah, ya know, it might just be so they can continue to bring us The Curse of Oak Island?? I mean, it is a really good show, I think anyway. There are some things that I question, but, for the most part, I believe that what they are finding, is truly amazing. The Lagina brothers are pretty wealthy guys, but I don't think they would pour money into this enormous project, if they didn't think there was some amazing history to uncover and discover on Oak Island...
I totally agree with you….if that “Dated” map was real and made by the Templars in 1347…..then the writing would have been in Latin not French….that map….if it’s even real….which is another question…..was made much later….
This is a wrong assumption. In 1315 the Rochefoucauld Grail manuscript was written in French, not Latin.
And by the way, 1347 is NOT a date. It is a DISTANCE, as proven by Dot to Dot on his youtube channel.... Regards
@@oakislandresearch Thank you for weighing in. People are so eager to run to a conclusion they like without first checking the facts.
@@InsertPhilosophyHereThe 'Rochefoucauld Map' and the ' La Formule' Debunk themselves ! ... They are NOT written in 'Old French' or 'Middle French' but , in 'Modern French' used from the late 17th century to present day ! ...
@@oakislandresearch Templar's being a Catholic Order would've definitely spoken and corresponded ln Latin ! ....
@@oakislandresearch Dot to Dot is Wrong ! ... If 1347 were meant to be a MEASUREMENT , it would have the word " PIEDS" or , some other french word that pertains to a measurement at the end of it ....
Could “the South Indian work very good” be a cipher?
Could be, yes.
It's stunning to me that anybody gives any credence at all to the map, when there's no proof it ever existed before Zena Halpern. I love the show and think they do a great job, but when the producers keep bringing up crap like this map it really takes away from the other parts of the show that are more honest. I don't blame the brothers for 1 bit of it, they seem extremely honest to me.
I completely agree with you. Zena's explanation of "I found it between the pages of a book" is not convincing. This map is clearly fake, regardless of who created it.
@@InsertPhilosophyHere - Zenas HUMBUG MAP -Ein Teil des Schatzes und die Shakespeare Manuskrpte sind bei mir
In maritime talk ''Le atterissage'' (which should read ''L'atterissage'' if written in french properly) is the point in time when the sailors see the land , not when they arrive on it ....so 1347 could also be a unit of mesure of that point .
Also the phrase '' Les Sud indiens travail très bon'' looks like it was translated word for word from english ( the south indians work really good).......no french speaking would say it or write it like that.......the proper way would be ''' les indiens du sud travaillent très bien''
Merci for that. What you say is undoubtedly correct. Others have also remarked that the French seems like a poor translation by a non-native speaker of French. It doesn't prove it's a recent fake, but it does indicate the map was not what the show claims it to be.
Calling the show "entertaining" is being more than generous. It's about 75% just the narrator reminding us what everyone's name is (take a drink every time he says "Rick Lagina, together with his brother Marty, and members of the Oak Island team...") and answering rhetorical questions with more rhetorical questions.
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Despite I understand most of the words used on the french map, it looks to me this french map is not an original. It looks like the poorly french translation of a another map. Many sentences are not the way french people talk. It's like someone trying to speak french with poor knowledge of it. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an original English map, and what we see here is a poor translation of it, and Zena Halpern attempt to re-translate it back to English making even worse...
I agree.
I have been wanting to make a video like this to expose the foolishness of the current television series, but I'm too lazy to do so. Thank you for speaking the truth.
Not a date... Correct. It turns out to give a number for scale. Check out channels "DOT to DOT" and "Oak Island Research", who seem to have cracked the code on this map. All of the odd usages of French are intentional and meaningful.
What do you expect from the channel that airs Ancient Aliens?
Did you see my lambasting of Ancient Aliens? ruclips.net/video/rxmY3r0-LY4/видео.html
@@InsertPhilosophyHere I'm going to now.
тамплиеры у берегов канады - это сумасшествие полное...
Da. The idea that the Templars went to Canada is a crazy idea.
Why is the compass rose so elaborate? East and West Looks like two six masted ships pointing North. Quite possible all or most of annotation’s on the Island are red herrings. Let’s not forget when the British blockaded Quebec, they were all over that area for ages. They had dozens of ships and thousands of men inc Army. Look up Capt Cook on RUclips. He was a Masters Mate at the time and played a pivotal role in the fall of French Quebec.
It's the History Channel and they're generally full of shit anyway. Their producers will twist and distort facts to manufacture intrigue or interest because it brings in tons of viewers and in turn tons of advertising revenue. Whatever. In spite of that I watch every episode because I LOVE it. It's fun to watch and to imagine what could be. I try to ignore the what i call "History Channel fluff" and try my best to discern their rhetoric from the actual finds that are made. I try my best to stay grounded but something significant clearly happened on Oak Island. If there ever was a "treasure" buried there i seriously doubt that it's still there and been long since removed. Regardless, I admire Rick and Marty for their sense of adventure and their commitment to living out their childhood dreams; makes me kinda jealous.
I agree with everything you say! I watch because I admire the Laginas and crew and because I want to see the answer as to what happened on Oak Island. That the producers and network has to junk up and sensationalize this search is frustrating. I've watched Ancient Aliens since its beginning for sheer entertainment: the cheap sensationalism and leaps of illiogic are funny. Ancient Aliens is easy to laugh at because the whole premise is farcical. But something DID happen on Oak Island, so the dishonesty from the show rankles me at times.
Someday skeptics may have to eat their hats.
I don't think anyone can still say that nothing was buried on Oak Island.
B4 my visit in 2018 they were excavating what looked like a ship in the swamp on Google earth yet is only now, 4/21 they seem to be doing this. They certainly show things out of order..
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another american theme of disney, that's how is looks from europe !