It can be hard to give a hard number for a population for a Ecumenopolis in sci-if. Writers probably gave a high number that sounded good like they did with the clones number.
yeah, but I don't think "200,000 with a million more on the way" EVER actually made sense for fighting a GALACTIC war from the beginning. That's barely enough to cover the standing army of a single modern, militarized country on as single planet.
@@zachchartier570writers aren’t military experts, they just picked a big number. Plus, when you give actual galactic scale numbers, normal people can tend to think it sounds ridiculous. Reminds of when they gave some number about the durability of durasteel which sounded big but was actually weaker than cardboard
@@Krzaczor-ym9gdyeah I agree, it makes no sense that a single clone legion, even if they were elite, would be ablw to conquer an entire planet. 10,000 clones is the size of a normal large city’s police department, nyc has 34,000 uniformed officers.
@@zachchartier570 oh yeah 1.2 million where you compare to modern militaries is nothing Even the Napoleonic Wars in 1815 had 5 million deaths. 1.5 million total soldiers is nothing
@@sulljoh1 Exactly. It's mind-blowing that you can calculate the scope of something like this (Population based on density and area) in like 5 to 15 minutes, and yet so few do. It hurts my brain when I hear that a planet of thousands of layers of skyscraper cities has a population of [Insert small number] because it "Sounds big, therefore should be about right"
I think the size of the habitable areas in the undercity alone pretty clearly demonstrates that the planetary census only extends to the very upper most layer of the planets surface Meaning theres potentially 100x as many people living, unregistered and unreported, in the dense verticle sprawl that stretches about 15 miles down to the planets surface Coruscant's population is, imo, likely to be in the tens, if not 100's of Trillions of people, simply due to how massive the urban sprawl actually is As a comparison, a Hive City from 40K stretches about 6-8 miles into the sky, and can house nearly a trillion inhabitants inside itself Coruscant is if you made a hive city taller, and instead of a single city, covered the entire planets surface with urbanization
That would make sense. If police don't want to travel too far down, what's the likelihood that census workers would travel down to ensure the data is collected?
@@EGRJ And even if it was, how many down there can read or write? The further you go down the more lawless it becomes but i'm sure education also suffers.
There was a great disturbance in the Force as everyone in every level of Coruscant attempted to log onto the census website to submit their form, only to be faced with sad faces when the website timed out. (In reference to Australia's census failure of 2016)
According to analysis, Coruscant has ample living room for a quadrillion and, with recycling, no issues with food, clean water, or clean air. Poverty and widespread crime is a policy choice.
I imagine our current best hope for such a show is another clone focused animated show, that shows whatever Captain Rex and Echo got up to when they weren't with the rest of the Bad Batch. Given that Rex is staying predominantly on Coruscant between 19 and 18 BBY
Which is something akin to what Coruscant should have. Authors of many fictional settings often low ball the population counts because we really don't have a sense of scale at that level.
@@dinoblacklane1640 Indeed. The massive shifts in scale are quite accurate. Nonetheless, the number would always be somewhere in the quadrillions, givent he flux of people in any out and about.
@@ServantOfOdin Correct, Terra is an ecumenopolis with lot of layers like Coruscant and is considered the most massive hive city in all of the Imperium, this alone tells alot.
This absurdly sized population was also the reason that Darth Malgus assumed the Sith Empire would orbitally bombard the planet instead of occupying it after the sacking of Coruscant. (He did not know that the Emperor and Dark Council wanted Coruscant as a bargaining chip in the ongoing negotiations on Alderaan.)
That assumes 75% of the surface is inhabited. Imagine the amount of food impoerted by space ship for 100 trillion people. What if most of the surface areas is composed of urban farms and food factories. Water storage and reclamation. Atmosphere control etc. vast space ports importing raw materials and factory districts. Even with 10% or 20% inabated we would still be talking about many trillions of inhabitants.
@@papapalps2415we see parts of the planet in the movies, not all of it. Do you have any idea how much food, water, and other goods would have to come in every day for a populations of quadrillions if there weren’t also some local farms, plants, and manufacturing? One bump in the supply chain and trillions die. It’s not just a matter of multiplying Manhattan by the entire planet and its levels. Additionally half the lower levels could be toxic to human life and many of them uninhabitable. Might be interesting to do archeological expeditions to them though.
@@evangreen3080 This is a pathetic way to try to worm your way out of the issue here; you are trying to pretend a city-planet, who's entire conception, purpose, and per every description in the entire franchise is as an entirely, fantastically urbanized megapolis cityscape, has less population density than rural America. Do you have any earthly idea how silly that is?
@@papapalps2415 nowhere near as silly as your tone. Like how old are you? What are you even talking about? This is a sci-fi franchise we’re talking about. And my points stand. How many people do you think are on the planet? I put it at no more than a quadrillion.
Zootopia has multiple environments for different species from the same planet shouldn't corasant have different environments for different atmospheres and gravity levels
“Only if those residents could afford those environments” is the correct answer I think. It’s not unusual to see non-human people wearing all sorts of breathing apparatus and life support suits in Star Wars. Fun fact: non-human person is an actual legal term.
You also have to remember the huge sections of Coruscant on all of the levels that would be required not just for energy production, but also manufacturing and other industries and spaceports. Most importantly, water and air purification and distribution since there is no natural air or water supply, as well as sewage treatment. I'm guessing that would take up anywhere from 20 to 40 percent of the space on all levels of the planet.
Glad, Star War Generation pick up on solution to the housing crisis 6:55 America used to build lots of housing but started slowing down over 30 years ago to the point there little housing being built.
This episode does make me curious, what was Coruscant like before being settled, what was the climate like, how many land masses versus oceans, etc. I also am curious how they built levels over the oceans and inhospitable areas because clearly they didn’t just wake up one morning and decide to alter an entire planet's biosphere to build a few more high rises. Like the process had to have taken thousands of years to slowly eliminate all signs of plant and animal life as they built upwards.
When I read thrawn I found it very interesting when Arindha found herself on a lower level and almost got attacked by a gang and I found it very interesting learning her view of them all
What a facinating video, I love looking at inconsistencies like this. GT really reminded me that just because something is said in star wars doesn’t mean it’s an absolute fact. If something doesn’t make sense, there could be an in-universe reason why it’s wrong. Especially when it comes to numbers.
Okay you should definitely do a video on the different types of currencies in the Star Wars universe and what you might think they are worse. Not in comparison to like US dollars or anything but in comparison to each other and the specific denominations you think each are worth such as the bronze silver and gold Republic credits. There's never been a fixed number on those, but you are so thorough with your research that I think you guys could sleuth out any good numbers and get pretty close to what each type of credit might be worth based on just context clues from everything. I would love that video so much because that's the thing that I'm weirdly focused on Now, and I don't know why
How in the hell could such a city be supported? How many ships would be needed to deliver food and goods? How does the government ( empire ) govern such a city.
How many ships? Alot lol How is it governed I'm pretty sure to empire's reach barely goes beyond the first few lower levels. The empire rules through fear. So despite the fact that there were probably more than enough people to overthrow the empire, the sight of massive star destroyers and several fleets of highly trained troopers was probably enough to scare the galaxy into submission
Apparently the most efficient housing is 6 storey terraced houses. Big tower blocks can't be built everywhere, but in theory you could cover an entire city in 6 storey apartment buildings.
Near train/tram/subway stations it makes sense to build higher, further away it would be lower. I don't think there can be any "one size fits all" solution, it would be suboptimal.
This is something that bugs me in Isaak Asimov's Foundation books. In the first book, we are introduced to the Imperial Capitol and Throneworld of Trantor, a City-Planet like Coruscant (and indeed it's direct inspiration). We are told that owing to the planet's vast population, over 80% of whom are entirely employed in the Empire's vast bureaucracy, the planet is increasingly vulnerable to conquest by siege, where one would only have to blockade the planet and just wait for the population to start starving within a matter of days without shipments of food from off-world. And the population numbers given is 45 Billion, IE a fraction of Coruscant's official population, despite having a similar Undercity.
Some of us did the math, and if you assume Trantor's city only covered a continental landmass roughly the size of Earth's, and it only had, on average, 100 levels, if the given population was spread out evenly the major problem on Trantor wasn't overcrowding, it was finding someone to talk to. (The math for those interested: Earth has 149 million square kilometers of not-water. Multiply that by 100, you get 10.49 billion square kilometers. That gives you a population density of 3 people per square kilometer, or significantly less than that of Canada, and about the same as Australia which, needless to say, still has vast areas devoted to farmland, industry, or just being left alone where no one lives.)
@@keith6706 I think we can assume that Asimov gave the population numbers on Trantor as what seemed an unimaginably vast number when he was writing back in the 1950's, but didn't really do the math on it and didn't consider it important anyway, since what he was really interested in was the big concepts like Psycho-History and the fall of the Empire.
When I first heard the official number of 3 trillion, I knew that it was bs. I almost guarantee that that number is only taking into account those who reside on the highest levels, but not the lower ones. In reality, Coruscant’s population may be closer to around 100 or perhaps 200 trillion or more.
As you said, the number would be between 900 trillion and 1.1 quadrillion whilst make pretty generous assumptions on living area per person. The real "population cap" would simply be the amount passive body heat generated by that many people, you would need massive basically "magical" infrastructure to vent out all this heat off the planet, and that's without counting the heat generated by the engines of billions of ships moving on and off everyday
Given they have the technology to vent wate heat from a planet-vaporizing superlaser with relatively minimal effort, it would be a fairly safe bet, yes.
yeah this would be the main problem, Earth's maximum could be increased to 17 trillion assuming all non-visible light is blocked with orbital mirrors to reduce the incoming heat caused by the sun.
Corusants air is artificial maybe they have something in the air to prevent the planet from over heating. It even rains on the planet which no way be possible with its type of landscape and not having visible oceans
If this video does one thing, it greatly inflates the casualty rate of the Vong War. You can't even imagine how many people they and their bio-constructs killed on this one planet alone, never mind the path of brutality and violence they carved through the rest of the Galaxy.
Hello there Allen, my name is James, I cant get enough of your videos and SW info, yet this one peaked an interesting point, if coruscant has 5000 levels and the peak of there biggest mountain can just be visible, how large would the original plant surface be and how high is the highest mountain? Surely all the levels would change the dynamics of mass for the planet. See you In the next one
Do we know anything about the Coruscant system ? Are there other inhabited planets or moons? Are there orbital farms in the system? Or are all ressources even food coming from hyperspace.
If I remember correctly they do get quite a lot of resources off world but they also have extensive on-planet farming in the lower levels. Can’t remember what book it was that mentioned it but one said something about large under level farming. Probably hydroponics or some other advanced tech…
Just checked, most facts are from legends but apparently there is a lightly inhabited planet right next to it in the system called Vandor 3 that still gas oceans and nature. It's still very dense compared to Galactic standard but it's comparably livable. I wonder if some affluent Coruscanti live in countryside suburbs on Vandor 3 and commute every day.
@@arthurbriand2175I agree, and with the technology of the SW galaxy that sort of thing would be childsplay. I only vaguely remember some Legends book talking about undercity farms
Hundreds of Trillions of lifeforms on Coruscant would not surprise me at all. I always thought of it as a blend of every crowded city on Earth multiplied by 10K but it should be more like 1 million times.
I’ve always thought that Coruscant actually has a significant portion of its levels completely uninhabitable to humans and species that coexist with humans. Most of those thousands of levels can’t be lived in by beings who could fathom the idea of being a citizen. That 1-3 trillion number is also definitely just the surface and important levels.
Are these levels like individual floor in a building? Or are they more like vertical districts with mulit-story buildings and floors within them? 5000 floors is like 25 km in height, 5000 levels would be hundreds of km in height
Not 10 people in EU, all this lore infrastructure was built because there were many stories going on, all the planets in the galaxy map are from some EU author writing about their stuff, not just made up for no reason.
Star Wars: you don’t know how many people are living on coruscant!? It’s our capital planet! We’re trying ok! Warrhammer 40K: Hey how many people are living on Holy Terra? lol I don’t fucking know lol
There is a Star Wars licensed coffee. It was too expensive when it came out so it wasn't moving. My grocery store has already marked it down and it's still expensive.
Would this much weight and life on a planet's surface do anything strange to the planet itself? Like, when we have miles of concrete and steel plus several quadrillion lifeforms, does all that concentrated weight matter on a planetary scale, or are we still dealing with something much too small to matter on a planetary level? I have to imagine that the heat and bodily emissions alone would do something, even if the weight didn't.
Mass wise/gravity, it's nothing. Heat wise, yes. Earth can physically only sustain 12 trillion human beings. Going beyond that, it would require active intervention to reduce the amount of waste heat being retained, so some kind of heat sink or radiator, or something else to far future to speculate on.
Well if you look at the light pollution depicted on most if not all depictions of the planet you would notice that it actually isn't that bad, our world during night/dark side view from space has more light pollution over populated areas, especially Europe, China, India and North America. There is also a very important issues that ecumonopolis has, and that's heat radiation, to many people and to much machinery would cause to much heat for the planet surface to handle, why they depict those giant circular structure on the planet's surface that are supposed to be heat vents channeling the access heat away from the population centres. What I'm trying to say is that I think that only about 20% of the surface is actually urban centres the rest is just heat channels. Tho yes, the 3 trillion estimation would still be to low, but going in to quadrillion would just be hell. Oh and cooling isn't the same as heating, the energy still needs to go somewhere, and empty space doesn't radiate heat(Can't shoot in to space), so it would be stuck ON the planet to be either stored in some way or redistributed.
if they removed their own ozone layer and managed to channel the heat into say massive heat stores that boil water for power or fuel mini suns for fusion power in containment, and then have both soylent green [there are not tower sized stacks of dead bodies on planet, the bodies go somewhere] and waste recycling into those star trek food maker things, it would be hell for most of the people that aren't super rich but livable* remember they stripped the planet surface, water included, to bedrock, made thousands of layers of sci fi cities on top of eachother and the upper levels are in the upper atmosphere above even the tallest natural mountain on planet. now heat and pollution from all the air speeders and other equipment... that would have to be handwaved as much as the channeling of heat for the power generation. which coruscant does have massive power generation in the lowest levels where no people live. because remember each level is height of a skyscraper or hundreds of feet on own. their atmosphere is way thicker than earths due to that almost certainly, and the area in the clouds is breathable normally like at ocean level according to ep2.
The heat capacity for Earth has been estimated as 12 Trillion humans. But I remember novels where they talk about heating the poles with space mirrors, so I don't believe the authors have thought about heat sinks.
@@the_Kutonarch Also why I mentioned light pollution is because its a good indicator of urban sprawl, and as mentioned using that you can infer that Chorusant actually isn't that "Urbanised" sure there are metallic "things" covering the surface but vast majority if you look closely is just dark, meaning there is no urban activity there whatsoever.
@Geraduss Well Allen said that a large portion of the surface is covered in manufacturing complexes, so perhaps that's what they're supposed to represent.
@@the_KutonarchCoruscant has large manufacturing facilities, yes; in much the same way a modern city has them. Which is to say, they exist, but will take up a tiny proportion of space relative to habitation.
Anyone that watches Isaac Arthur is not shocked and know this is actually completely viable irl. I thought he was going to say quadrillion at least btw
This and your other videos remind me of a thought I've had concerning the Star Wars universe. That thought is that there is nothing whatsoever that could induce me to live on Coruscant. I'll stick to worlds like Naboo or Lothal.
I can see it being very easy to do a census of the upper levels of coruscant, but once you start fitting down to the really lower levels for the planetary core levels, I'm sure it becomes very difficult if not even dangerous to conduct a proper census
Population density isn't the limiting factor. Life support is. How many trillions can the artificial atmosphere generators support? How fast can they recycle CO2 into breathable oxygen? A quadrillion people generating CO2 will rapidly make areas of the undercity uninhabitable (likely starting with the lowest levels because CO2 is heavier than O2). How fast can their sewage processing plants clean up the water? How many ships do they have harvesting water from off planet sources and how many are taking sewage and "exporting" it to dump sites (or deep space)? Star Wars doesn't seem to have replicators for food production (which would allow them to turn sewage into food), so where are the calories coming from to feed a quadrillion people?
Many levels (probably most) are uninhabitable to humans (and a lot to anyone), a lot of levels are farming, water recycling and power, and a lot of shipments coming in every second across the entire world.
The technology of Coruscant would be quite robust and constant maintenance by nearly countless droids and other automation would allow for more than enough life support for an arbitrarily large populace. Water, organic food stuffs and other resources would be recycled at close to 100% efficiency, and the constant interstellar traffic seen around the planet would easily supply any necessity or luxury.
Star Wars doe actually have a replicator equivalent; they are amusingly, uncreatively called duplicators. There's also a similar derivative/possibly same(?) technology called molecular furnaces that amount to much the same thing. Even that aside, SW also has agri-worlds; a number of them are undoubtedly dedicated solely to feeding Coruscant's appetite. As for life support; given the population densities observed, evidently the only real answer is 'advanced enough it doesn't matter'.
I've always wondered how people breath on Coruscant. The lower levels the air would be so polluted they would be unbreathable and the upper most levels are than mountains so Oxygen would be less, literally in the "death zone". I'm sure the answer will be that they have machines that allow them to breath or control the atmospherics or something like, I'd like to see a video on that.
I think too-large numbers just sound unreal. It's like how people feel as if actual randomness isn't random. For actually random music shuffling for instance, occasionally songs will repeat or sequential songs will play sequentially. This doesn't FEEL random, and so shuffling algorithms include constraints to prevent that.
The funny thing about randomness is that it's not a naturally occurring phenomena. It's a mathematical notion, a piece of algebra often constrained by the range of numbers that can be produced.
YEAAAA CORUSCANT LOORE! Love criminal underworld and planet lore. Coruscant and the criminal underworld are the definition of underutilized. Wish we had actual good games, movies, shows about both.
It's correct because Empire has just stopped feeding the under city, all cargo shipments to Coruscant are closely monitored so it's not possible to smuggle food for trillions of people.
If you take the population density of NYC (roughly 30k per square mile) and spread that over the entire earth (including oceans) you get roughly 6 trillion. That was just rough numbers. Density on Coruscant would have a significant vertical component with cubic miles (or kilometers) being relevant given the presumed several mile depth of the city-scape on that planet.
→ Is there even a concept of "surface" here? What counts as surface? Everything from where you can see the sky? → Shouldn't you be able to get a somewhat reliable estimation of population by the amount of food imported?
For what it's worth: *A census literally means counting everyone; that's the whole point* - And last I researched the Census data was _not_ used to put people in internment camps (Why bother? You have property records, driver's licenses, neighbors and good ol' fashioned racism). Though there was concern census records were used by the FBI to monitor Japanese people on the east coast (this seems credible to me). So the Census Bureau of the US does use statistical models to estimate the accuracy of their census _and_ estimate population using samples during the intervening years but, yeah, a census is meant to count every single person.
You would still need to have a reasonably accurate census. Or the undercounted people would die within a handful of days, somewhat more if they resort to cannibalism. Coruscant produced practically none of its own food, but had to import astronomical amounts daily. You have to import enough even to feed "uncounted" people. Official census numbers could be wrong, but they would need to know how many people need food.
More likely, you can just easily rationalize the single digit trillion absurdity as referring solely to Imperial/Republic City, which is a specific 'city' or district of the planet (and is, coincidentally, where the vast majority of the action we see takes place, as it has the Senate Rotunda, Jedi Temple Imperial Palace, and so on). Which would also, naturally, be less populated than would be average, given it would be mostly consisted of higher-class people. .... ....... .......... Or, y'know, just ignore the number entirely because it's overrides by higher canon material anyways, lul. That's also always an option.
You have to also take into consideration that a lot of Coruscant is not habitable. It's estimated that only the first 10-15 layers are habitable. The further you go down the more and more rundown and it gets and the less and less people there are. That's just what I read. Could be wrong though.
This isnt true, no, nor does it actually change anything in the slightest; most population estimates people do for the planet, in actual fact, are only taking into account the surface level anyways; the obscenely huge building complexes and other levels will just boost it.
Census could be pretty accurately (we talking margin of error of 100% in either direction) determined based on the amount of goods being imported. Food and water for example are very much needed by all inhabitants (ok maybe oil for droids or whatever they use). The fact that this is never mentioned or brought up, could mean that there is indeed food and some sort of water recycling systems that are at play. Food maybe party or fully synthetic.
I don't think there is any in universe reason for why Coruscant's population is so far off. I think the real reason is because lots of people writing sci-fi can't really comprehend numbers like this and don't actually spend time doing the math to calculate what a reasonable number would really be. Even in Warhammer 40k which is the biggest of any of the major Sci-Fi IPs is comically under populated for a galaxy spanning civilization.
Personally I think the population went down massively after the rise of the empire. Most folk wouldn’t want to live under a totalitarian state , let alone live in its centre
Im curious. With a good number of Imperial defectors during the Galactic Civil War, did the Empire ever use that to their advantage to insert spies/Imperial Intelligence agents into the Rebellion?
A much more accurate way to calculate it would be by calories. Despite whatever surface area is available for living the real limit will be food. Either through imports or agriculture. At least you will need to account for the surface area needed to feed the population even if it is all grown indoors or imports.
I don't see how the number could be so high as all these people would still have to be fed. They can't be fed from imports, like the surface dwellers, because it would show in the import statistics. So they have to grow their own food in an underground city without rain, sunlight, soil or fresh air. And even if you have access to some super-lichen or something that just doesn't work. So while the videos number of surface dwellers is probably more realistic than canon I can only speculate that we always see the few population centers and not the vast stretches of ghost towns/super-lichen farms when we visit the Coruscant undercity in SW.
Armies in Star Wars are tiny by earth Standards. 1-2% of a planet's total population, tops. Even at those tiny numbers, Couruscant has enough people to conquer the rest of the Galaxy. Easily.
Well I mean it does help that you have not even just a planetary logistics Network but a galactic logistics Network. There are many worlds that are literally just dedicated to farming known as agriworlds like Chandrilla.
My guess is that the census only accounted for the upper part, likely the one with at least 75% of sunlight per day, you know, because they are people whose lives are considered living and not just vegetating along their existence. Also, if the lower levels are firmly in the grips of criminals, a census-taker might not even have dared to go there in the first place, robbing the entire lower half of ever being heard. And given that the lower half is likely far more crowded due to the sheer sizes of crammed-in bunk apartments, that likely accounted for the majority of the population anyway. So I'd guess that 3 trillion is closer to the upper 5% of the entire population, the one that the Empire not only felt comfortable to count, but also felt safe to be counted. And probably, they disregarded any non-human to begin with, given the xenophobic sentiment.
If they import most of their food and fresh water, wouldn't that be enough info to base your population numbers on? I do assume that the lower levels had some kind of factory/vertical farming going on, at a large enough scale that maybe they didn't need to import food to the underworld? The same for recycling water - the planet must have had seas and oceans at one point, so I guess all that water has been purified over and over countless times? I assume that the tech in Star Wars would make that fairly easy to do. What I don't understand is how they keep the planet habitable? No surface plant life and no sea life would mean no oxygen production. I guess they recycled the air, even above the "surface" level? I also guess that they have planetary weather control, while all of that hard scape would reflect light and cool the planet, trillions upon trillions of people, and the industry and transportation networks they use, would heat up the planet quite a bit.
There are some indirect observations that will help give you a population count. For instance human bodies (and alien bodies!) give off heat, so temperature radiated into space would be an indicator. That would also explain why the rich live at the top of high towers, to take advantage of natural cooling. Recycling is not 100% efficient, so imported food is another indirect indicator. Sensitive Jedi would be able to give rough estimates just by the level of the Force! I'm sure more sophisticated metrics would be available in such a (superficially at least) civilisation.
510,064,472 km² Earth - Surface Area New York is the world's 37th city by population density at 20,288 per sq/km 510,064,472 * 20,288 = 10,348,188,007,936 Or about 10.3 trillion people
It can be hard to give a hard number for a population for a Ecumenopolis in sci-if. Writers probably gave a high number that sounded good like they did with the clones number.
yeah, but I don't think "200,000 with a million more on the way" EVER actually made sense for fighting a GALACTIC war from the beginning. That's barely enough to cover the standing army of a single modern, militarized country on as single planet.
@@zachchartier570writers aren’t military experts, they just picked a big number. Plus, when you give actual galactic scale numbers, normal people can tend to think it sounds ridiculous. Reminds of when they gave some number about the durability of durasteel which sounded big but was actually weaker than cardboard
@@zachchartier570 i agree with you but that could be interpreted by units of an unknown size so it could be 1.2 million legions, division etc.
@@Krzaczor-ym9gdyeah I agree, it makes no sense that a single clone legion, even if they were elite, would be ablw to conquer an entire planet. 10,000 clones is the size of a normal large city’s police department, nyc has 34,000 uniformed officers.
@@zachchartier570 oh yeah 1.2 million where you compare to modern militaries is nothing
Even the Napoleonic Wars in 1815 had 5 million deaths. 1.5 million total soldiers is nothing
Underreporting Coruscant's population as 3 trillion is like trying to convince people the USA has a population of 3500
Scifi authors have no sense of scale
@@sulljoh1 Exactly. It's mind-blowing that you can calculate the scope of something like this (Population based on density and area) in like 5 to 15 minutes, and yet so few do.
It hurts my brain when I hear that a planet of thousands of layers of skyscraper cities has a population of [Insert small number] because it "Sounds big, therefore should be about right"
350,000 more like. A lie that might be believed if 99% of the population were mole people we never saw, and all media was government controlled.
I think the size of the habitable areas in the undercity alone pretty clearly demonstrates that the planetary census only extends to the very upper most layer of the planets surface
Meaning theres potentially 100x as many people living, unregistered and unreported, in the dense verticle sprawl that stretches about 15 miles down to the planets surface
Coruscant's population is, imo, likely to be in the tens, if not 100's of Trillions of people, simply due to how massive the urban sprawl actually is
As a comparison, a Hive City from 40K stretches about 6-8 miles into the sky, and can house nearly a trillion inhabitants inside itself
Coruscant is if you made a hive city taller, and instead of a single city, covered the entire planets surface with urbanization
Hive cities don't house a trillion people, the largest number in the tens of billions
That would make sense. If police don't want to travel too far down, what's the likelihood that census workers would travel down to ensure the data is collected?
@@WhitefangGreytail Mail service probably ain't exactly reliable either.
@@EGRJ And even if it was, how many down there can read or write? The further you go down the more lawless it becomes but i'm sure education also suffers.
environmental monitoring would easily be able to detect that difference from the listed population. Double or 10x, that's believable, but not 100x
There was a great disturbance in the Force as everyone in every level of Coruscant attempted to log onto the census website to submit their form, only to be faced with sad faces when the website timed out.
(In reference to Australia's census failure of 2016)
How do Austrians mark their census when everything is upside down?
@@Menaceblue3 I'm sure the Austr(al)ian pens are upside down as well.
According to analysis, Coruscant has ample living room for a quadrillion and, with recycling, no issues with food, clean water, or clean air. Poverty and widespread crime is a policy choice.
Like everybody here I imagine, I would have loved and still hope for a show about the lower levels and the underworld of Coruscant.
Or a video game?
... oh, darn.
I imagine our current best hope for such a show is another clone focused animated show, that shows whatever Captain Rex and Echo got up to when they weren't with the rest of the Bad Batch. Given that Rex is staying predominantly on Coruscant between 19 and 18 BBY
Issac Authur covers this, most sci fi either thinks to big in some areas and too small in others...
Holy Terra in 40k population is counted in the quadrilions in some novels, imagine that.
Which is something akin to what Coruscant should have. Authors of many fictional settings often low ball the population counts because we really don't have a sense of scale at that level.
Terra's population has changed multiple times with multiple authors
Actually that describes 40k a lot
@@dinoblacklane1640 Indeed. The massive shifts in scale are quite accurate. Nonetheless, the number would always be somewhere in the quadrillions, givent he flux of people in any out and about.
@@ServantOfOdin people visiting dont count as inhabitants
@@ServantOfOdin Correct, Terra is an ecumenopolis with lot of layers like Coruscant and is considered the most massive hive city in all of the Imperium, this alone tells alot.
This absurdly sized population was also the reason that Darth Malgus assumed the Sith Empire would orbitally bombard the planet instead of occupying it after the sacking of Coruscant. (He did not know that the Emperor and Dark Council wanted Coruscant as a bargaining chip in the ongoing negotiations on Alderaan.)
That assumes 75% of the surface is inhabited. Imagine the amount of food impoerted by space ship for 100 trillion people. What if most of the surface areas is composed of urban farms and food factories. Water storage and reclamation. Atmosphere control etc. vast space ports importing raw materials and factory districts. Even with 10% or 20% inabated we would still be talking about many trillions of inhabitants.
Imagine unironically trying to pretend less than half of Coruscant is actually urbanized or major inhabited, lmfao. Watch the Goddamn movies.
@@papapalps2415we see parts of the planet in the movies, not all of it. Do you have any idea how much food, water, and other goods would have to come in every day for a populations of quadrillions if there weren’t also some local farms, plants, and manufacturing? One bump in the supply chain and trillions die. It’s not just a matter of multiplying Manhattan by the entire planet and its levels. Additionally half the lower levels could be toxic to human life and many of them uninhabitable. Might be interesting to do archeological expeditions to them though.
@@evangreen3080 This is a pathetic way to try to worm your way out of the issue here; you are trying to pretend a city-planet, who's entire conception, purpose, and per every description in the entire franchise is as an entirely, fantastically urbanized megapolis cityscape, has less population density than rural America. Do you have any earthly idea how silly that is?
@@papapalps2415 nowhere near as silly as your tone. Like how old are you? What are you even talking about? This is a sci-fi franchise we’re talking about. And my points stand. How many people do you think are on the planet? I put it at no more than a quadrillion.
Zootopia has multiple environments for different species from the same planet shouldn't corasant have different environments for different atmospheres and gravity levels
In legends Coruscant was the homeworld of humanity. Disney just copies that without saying it.
“Only if those residents could afford those environments” is the correct answer I think. It’s not unusual to see non-human people wearing all sorts of breathing apparatus and life support suits in Star Wars. Fun fact: non-human person is an actual legal term.
@@robertnelson9599So their earth.
You also have to remember the huge sections of Coruscant on all of the levels that would be required not just for energy production, but also manufacturing and other industries and spaceports. Most importantly, water and air purification and distribution since there is no natural air or water supply, as well as sewage treatment. I'm guessing that would take up anywhere from 20 to 40 percent of the space on all levels of the planet.
No. That's absurd, and utterly and completely incoherent and inconsistent with every depiction or description of the planet in all of SW.
Glad, Star War Generation pick up on solution to the housing crisis 6:55 America used to build lots of housing but started slowing down over 30 years ago to the point there little housing being built.
This episode does make me curious, what was Coruscant like before being settled, what was the climate like, how many land masses versus oceans, etc. I also am curious how they built levels over the oceans and inhospitable areas because clearly they didn’t just wake up one morning and decide to alter an entire planet's biosphere to build a few more high rises. Like the process had to have taken thousands of years to slowly eliminate all signs of plant and animal life as they built upwards.
When I read thrawn I found it very interesting when Arindha found herself on a lower level and almost got attacked by a gang and I found it very interesting learning her view of them all
All I'm going to say is that Rebels did not do that woman just compared to how the book depicted her.
What a facinating video, I love looking at inconsistencies like this. GT really reminded me that just because something is said in star wars doesn’t mean it’s an absolute fact. If something doesn’t make sense, there could be an in-universe reason why it’s wrong. Especially when it comes to numbers.
Okay you should definitely do a video on the different types of currencies in the Star Wars universe and what you might think they are worse. Not in comparison to like US dollars or anything but in comparison to each other and the specific denominations you think each are worth such as the bronze silver and gold Republic credits. There's never been a fixed number on those, but you are so thorough with your research that I think you guys could sleuth out any good numbers and get pretty close to what each type of credit might be worth based on just context clues from everything. I would love that video so much because that's the thing that I'm weirdly focused on Now, and I don't know why
man, one of your best videos! ty! you always have the coolest sw questions to ask
How in the hell could such a city be supported? How many ships would be needed to deliver food and goods? How does the government ( empire ) govern such a city.
How many ships?
Alot lol
How is it governed
I'm pretty sure to empire's reach barely goes beyond the first few lower levels. The empire rules through fear. So despite the fact that there were probably more than enough people to overthrow the empire, the sight of massive star destroyers and several fleets of highly trained troopers was probably enough to scare the galaxy into submission
Frankly I doubt after
lower levels were ever supported, probably lawless and resorting to cannibalism, etc
Apparently the most efficient housing is 6 storey terraced houses. Big tower blocks can't be built everywhere, but in theory you could cover an entire city in 6 storey apartment buildings.
Near train/tram/subway stations it makes sense to build higher, further away it would be lower. I don't think there can be any "one size fits all" solution, it would be suboptimal.
This is something that bugs me in Isaak Asimov's Foundation books. In the first book, we are introduced to the Imperial Capitol and Throneworld of Trantor, a City-Planet like Coruscant (and indeed it's direct inspiration). We are told that owing to the planet's vast population, over 80% of whom are entirely employed in the Empire's vast bureaucracy, the planet is increasingly vulnerable to conquest by siege, where one would only have to blockade the planet and just wait for the population to start starving within a matter of days without shipments of food from off-world. And the population numbers given is 45 Billion, IE a fraction of Coruscant's official population, despite having a similar Undercity.
Some of us did the math, and if you assume Trantor's city only covered a continental landmass roughly the size of Earth's, and it only had, on average, 100 levels, if the given population was spread out evenly the major problem on Trantor wasn't overcrowding, it was finding someone to talk to.
(The math for those interested: Earth has 149 million square kilometers of not-water. Multiply that by 100, you get 10.49 billion square kilometers. That gives you a population density of 3 people per square kilometer, or significantly less than that of Canada, and about the same as Australia which, needless to say, still has vast areas devoted to farmland, industry, or just being left alone where no one lives.)
@@keith6706 I think we can assume that Asimov gave the population numbers on Trantor as what seemed an unimaginably vast number when he was writing back in the 1950's, but didn't really do the math on it and didn't consider it important anyway, since what he was really interested in was the big concepts like Psycho-History and the fall of the Empire.
When I first heard the official number of 3 trillion, I knew that it was bs. I almost guarantee that that number is only taking into account those who reside on the highest levels, but not the lower ones.
In reality, Coruscant’s population may be closer to around 100 or perhaps 200 trillion or more.
As you said, the number would be between 900 trillion and 1.1 quadrillion whilst make pretty generous assumptions on living area per person. The real "population cap" would simply be the amount passive body heat generated by that many people, you would need massive basically "magical" infrastructure to vent out all this heat off the planet, and that's without counting the heat generated by the engines of billions of ships moving on and off everyday
That number is 12 trillion for Earth.
But they have advanced technology there, I imagine they have some technobabble solution for it.
Given they have the technology to vent wate heat from a planet-vaporizing superlaser with relatively minimal effort, it would be a fairly safe bet, yes.
@@papapalps2415 yep, agreed
yeah this would be the main problem, Earth's maximum could be increased to 17 trillion assuming all non-visible light is blocked with orbital mirrors to reduce the incoming heat caused by the sun.
Corusants air is artificial maybe they have something in the air to prevent the planet from over heating. It even rains on the planet which no way be possible with its type of landscape and not having visible oceans
If this video does one thing, it greatly inflates the casualty rate of the Vong War. You can't even imagine how many people they and their bio-constructs killed on this one planet alone, never mind the path of brutality and violence they carved through the rest of the Galaxy.
16:06 man, I had hope that the sequel can be this cool but no it's Rey's times (20th times)
Hello there Allen, my name is James, I cant get enough of your videos and SW info, yet this one peaked an interesting point, if coruscant has 5000 levels and the peak of there biggest mountain can just be visible, how large would the original plant surface be and how high is the highest mountain? Surely all the levels would change the dynamics of mass for the planet. See you In the next one
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My inner scientist says the population is heavily constrained by resource flux. Food, water, O2 and CO2, power, heat.
We seriously need a 1313 game where all the scum and villainy can be found
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Do we know anything about the Coruscant system ? Are there other inhabited planets or moons? Are there orbital farms in the system? Or are all ressources even food coming from hyperspace.
If I remember correctly they do get quite a lot of resources off world but they also have extensive on-planet farming in the lower levels. Can’t remember what book it was that mentioned it but one said something about large under level farming. Probably hydroponics or some other advanced tech…
Just checked, most facts are from legends but apparently there is a lightly inhabited planet right next to it in the system called Vandor 3 that still gas oceans and nature. It's still very dense compared to Galactic standard but it's comparably livable. I wonder if some affluent Coruscanti live in countryside suburbs on Vandor 3 and commute every day.
@@ForsworcenThey could do orbital farms, it's easier to get sunlight than in lower levels.
@@arthurbriand2175I agree, and with the technology of the SW galaxy that sort of thing would be childsplay. I only vaguely remember some Legends book talking about undercity farms
Hundreds of Trillions of lifeforms on Coruscant would not surprise me at all. I always thought of it as a blend of every crowded city on Earth multiplied by 10K but it should be more like 1 million times.
Under count of 1 planet is 3 trillion and there's billions of planets. In that galaxy yet everything in that galaxy revolves around like 10 people
I’ve always thought that Coruscant actually has a significant portion of its levels completely uninhabitable to humans and species that coexist with humans. Most of those thousands of levels can’t be lived in by beings who could fathom the idea of being a citizen. That 1-3 trillion number is also definitely just the surface and important levels.
You're forgeting builing codes are some times too strict some are needed but some needs to go and land prices are way too damn high.
Are these levels like individual floor in a building? Or are they more like vertical districts with mulit-story buildings and floors within them?
5000 floors is like 25 km in height, 5000 levels would be hundreds of km in height
Seemingly each level is basically a whole other city built atop the last one, so yeah, it goes deep
almost every level is like manhattan but 3x denser
Nihilus should have just been chilling in a small ship in orbit of coruscant for decades instead of doing what he did.
Just watched your other video about Cori and how it’s built over so this is great timing
Great job on the video Adam!😁
3 trillion is a Minimum half 🐴 count for 1 planet . In a galaxy of billions of planets yet the everything in that galaxy revolves around lol 10 people
Not 10 people in EU, all this lore infrastructure was built because there were many stories going on, all the planets in the galaxy map are from some EU author writing about their stuff, not just made up for no reason.
Star Wars: you don’t know how many people are living on coruscant!? It’s our capital planet!
We’re trying ok!
Warrhammer 40K: Hey how many people are living on Holy Terra?
lol I don’t fucking know lol
To look weaker towards other Empires.
I can see Allen having his own coffee brand called corusant coffee
There is a Star Wars licensed coffee. It was too expensive when it came out so it wasn't moving. My grocery store has already marked it down and it's still expensive.
Would this much weight and life on a planet's surface do anything strange to the planet itself? Like, when we have miles of concrete and steel plus several quadrillion lifeforms, does all that concentrated weight matter on a planetary scale, or are we still dealing with something much too small to matter on a planetary level? I have to imagine that the heat and bodily emissions alone would do something, even if the weight didn't.
Mass wise/gravity, it's nothing.
Heat wise, yes.
Earth can physically only sustain 12 trillion human beings.
Going beyond that, it would require active intervention to reduce the amount of waste heat being retained, so some kind of heat sink or radiator, or something else to far future to speculate on.
@@the_Kutonarch This would probably make a good topic for a video honestly. I know some of these ideas have been addressed in the old EU.
Considering Coruscant's importance, will the Empire dared use the Death Star on it if its most likely more than trillion population revolted?
Spacebattles, in a forum debate on the Imperium of Man vs The Empire, the population was concluded to be about 4 Quadrillion.
Well if you look at the light pollution depicted on most if not all depictions of the planet you would notice that it actually isn't that bad, our world during night/dark side view from space has more light pollution over populated areas, especially Europe, China, India and North America. There is also a very important issues that ecumonopolis has, and that's heat radiation, to many people and to much machinery would cause to much heat for the planet surface to handle, why they depict those giant circular structure on the planet's surface that are supposed to be heat vents channeling the access heat away from the population centres.
What I'm trying to say is that I think that only about 20% of the surface is actually urban centres the rest is just heat channels. Tho yes, the 3 trillion estimation would still be to low, but going in to quadrillion would just be hell.
Oh and cooling isn't the same as heating, the energy still needs to go somewhere, and empty space doesn't radiate heat(Can't shoot in to space), so it would be stuck ON the planet to be either stored in some way or redistributed.
if they removed their own ozone layer and managed to channel the heat into say massive heat stores that boil water for power or fuel mini suns for fusion power in containment, and then have both soylent green [there are not tower sized stacks of dead bodies on planet, the bodies go somewhere] and waste recycling into those star trek food maker things, it would be hell for most of the people that aren't super rich but livable*
remember they stripped the planet surface, water included, to bedrock, made thousands of layers of sci fi cities on top of eachother and the upper levels are in the upper atmosphere above even the tallest natural mountain on planet.
now heat and pollution from all the air speeders and other equipment... that would have to be handwaved as much as the channeling of heat for the power generation. which coruscant does have massive power generation in the lowest levels where no people live. because remember each level is height of a skyscraper or hundreds of feet on own. their atmosphere is way thicker than earths due to that almost certainly, and the area in the clouds is breathable normally like at ocean level according to ep2.
The heat capacity for Earth has been estimated as 12 Trillion humans.
But I remember novels where they talk about heating the poles with space mirrors, so I don't believe the authors have thought about heat sinks.
@@the_Kutonarch Also why I mentioned light pollution is because its a good indicator of urban sprawl, and as mentioned using that you can infer that Chorusant actually isn't that "Urbanised" sure there are metallic "things" covering the surface but vast majority if you look closely is just dark, meaning there is no urban activity there whatsoever.
@Geraduss Well Allen said that a large portion of the surface is covered in manufacturing complexes, so perhaps that's what they're supposed to represent.
@@the_KutonarchCoruscant has large manufacturing facilities, yes; in much the same way a modern city has them. Which is to say, they exist, but will take up a tiny proportion of space relative to habitation.
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There wasn't an "income tax" in the United States until 1909.
The first income tax in the US was implemented during the Civil War. Maybe you were thinking of the 16th Amendment (though that was ratified in 1913)
It was originally only for the rich
was there property tax
I've learned so much more about the American census process in five minutes than in forty years as an American .. :D
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Anyone that watches Isaac Arthur is not shocked and know this is actually completely viable irl.
I thought he was going to say quadrillion at least btw
1:53 did you just make a pun?
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This and your other videos remind me of a thought I've had concerning the Star Wars universe.
That thought is that there is nothing whatsoever that could induce me to live on Coruscant. I'll stick to worlds like Naboo or Lothal.
I can see it being very easy to do a census of the upper levels of coruscant, but once you start fitting down to the really lower levels for the planetary core levels, I'm sure it becomes very difficult if not even dangerous to conduct a proper census
More important then the capitol of everything legal is the capitol of everything illegal 2 most important most visited planets
Population density isn't the limiting factor. Life support is. How many trillions can the artificial atmosphere generators support? How fast can they recycle CO2 into breathable oxygen? A quadrillion people generating CO2 will rapidly make areas of the undercity uninhabitable (likely starting with the lowest levels because CO2 is heavier than O2). How fast can their sewage processing plants clean up the water? How many ships do they have harvesting water from off planet sources and how many are taking sewage and "exporting" it to dump sites (or deep space)? Star Wars doesn't seem to have replicators for food production (which would allow them to turn sewage into food), so where are the calories coming from to feed a quadrillion people?
Many levels (probably most) are uninhabitable to humans (and a lot to anyone), a lot of levels are farming, water recycling and power, and a lot of shipments coming in every second across the entire world.
The technology of Coruscant would be quite robust and constant maintenance by nearly countless droids and other automation would allow for more than enough life support for an arbitrarily large populace. Water, organic food stuffs and other resources would be recycled at close to 100% efficiency, and the constant interstellar traffic seen around the planet would easily supply any necessity or luxury.
Star Wars doe actually have a replicator equivalent; they are amusingly, uncreatively called duplicators. There's also a similar derivative/possibly same(?) technology called molecular furnaces that amount to much the same thing.
Even that aside, SW also has agri-worlds; a number of them are undoubtedly dedicated solely to feeding Coruscant's appetite.
As for life support; given the population densities observed, evidently the only real answer is 'advanced enough it doesn't matter'.
I've always wondered how people breath on Coruscant. The lower levels the air would be so polluted they would be unbreathable and the upper most levels are than mountains so Oxygen would be less, literally in the "death zone". I'm sure the answer will be that they have machines that allow them to breath or control the atmospherics or something like, I'd like to see a video on that.
I think too-large numbers just sound unreal. It's like how people feel as if actual randomness isn't random. For actually random music shuffling for instance, occasionally songs will repeat or sequential songs will play sequentially. This doesn't FEEL random, and so shuffling algorithms include constraints to prevent that.
The funny thing about randomness is that it's not a naturally occurring phenomena. It's a mathematical notion, a piece of algebra often constrained by the range of numbers that can be produced.
I, too, recently watched WesHammer's video on what it's like to live on Terra.
Oh no, we are talking about crowd sizes? 😂
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Wow. I already never wanted to live on Coruscant, this only reinforces that opinion. 😯
This is a topic I've wondered about
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If the levels are open to the surface I wonder what the atmospheric pressure is on the bottom levels?
To see Star Wars as presented by disney you would think Tatooine was the most important planet in the galaxy 🤣
YEAAAA CORUSCANT LOORE!
Love criminal underworld and planet lore. Coruscant and the criminal underworld are the definition of underutilized. Wish we had actual good games, movies, shows about both.
I've raised this issue a few times in various videos.
Love the YIMBY shoutout! Build housing everywhere!
I wonder what the entire population of the known galaxy is then?
It's correct because Empire has just stopped feeding the under city, all cargo shipments to Coruscant are closely monitored so it's not possible to smuggle food for trillions of people.
Infinitely greater is a bold claim. 😮
If you take the population density of NYC (roughly 30k per square mile) and spread that over the entire earth (including oceans) you get roughly 6 trillion. That was just rough numbers. Density on Coruscant would have a significant vertical component with cubic miles (or kilometers) being relevant given the presumed several mile depth of the city-scape on that planet.
→ Is there even a concept of "surface" here? What counts as surface? Everything from where you can see the sky?
→ Shouldn't you be able to get a somewhat reliable estimation of population by the amount of food imported?
For what it's worth: *A census literally means counting everyone; that's the whole point* - And last I researched the Census data was _not_ used to put people in internment camps (Why bother? You have property records, driver's licenses, neighbors and good ol' fashioned racism). Though there was concern census records were used by the FBI to monitor Japanese people on the east coast (this seems credible to me).
So the Census Bureau of the US does use statistical models to estimate the accuracy of their census _and_ estimate population using samples during the intervening years but, yeah, a census is meant to count every single person.
You would still need to have a reasonably accurate census. Or the undercounted people would die within a handful of days, somewhat more if they resort to cannibalism. Coruscant produced practically none of its own food, but had to import astronomical amounts daily. You have to import enough even to feed "uncounted" people. Official census numbers could be wrong, but they would need to know how many people need food.
More likely, you can just easily rationalize the single digit trillion absurdity as referring solely to Imperial/Republic City, which is a specific 'city' or district of the planet (and is, coincidentally, where the vast majority of the action we see takes place, as it has the Senate Rotunda, Jedi Temple Imperial Palace, and so on). Which would also, naturally, be less populated than would be average, given it would be mostly consisted of higher-class people.
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Or, y'know, just ignore the number entirely because it's overrides by higher canon material anyways, lul. That's also always an option.
You have to also take into consideration that a lot of Coruscant is not habitable. It's estimated that only the first 10-15 layers are habitable. The further you go down the more and more rundown and it gets and the less and less people there are. That's just what I read. Could be wrong though.
This isnt true, no, nor does it actually change anything in the slightest; most population estimates people do for the planet, in actual fact, are only taking into account the surface level anyways; the obscenely huge building complexes and other levels will just boost it.
If all or most the food is imported...You can get really close number by looking at the inputs.
Census could be pretty accurately (we talking margin of error of 100% in either direction) determined based on the amount of goods being imported. Food and water for example are very much needed by all inhabitants (ok maybe oil for droids or whatever they use).
The fact that this is never mentioned or brought up, could mean that there is indeed food and some sort of water recycling systems that are at play. Food maybe party or fully synthetic.
Needs a show or game or movie about courasant lower levels
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You would probably need take the mean number of people in each type of mega block as i would assume there are many different types and sizes
Kowloon Walled City was indeed something out of this world
5127 levels multiplied by 5 meters would mean the top thousand levels were over 20 kilometers, how could you have enough oxygen at that level
I don't think there is any in universe reason for why Coruscant's population is so far off. I think the real reason is because lots of people writing sci-fi can't really comprehend numbers like this and don't actually spend time doing the math to calculate what a reasonable number would really be. Even in Warhammer 40k which is the biggest of any of the major Sci-Fi IPs is comically under populated for a galaxy spanning civilization.
Personally I think the population went down massively after the rise of the empire. Most folk wouldn’t want to live under a totalitarian state , let alone live in its centre
What if SW planets are tiny like in Kerbal space program?
It explains a lot
Im curious. With a good number of Imperial defectors during the Galactic Civil War, did the Empire ever use that to their advantage to insert spies/Imperial Intelligence agents into the Rebellion?
A much more accurate way to calculate it would be by calories. Despite whatever surface area is available for living the real limit will be food. Either through imports or agriculture. At least you will need to account for the surface area needed to feed the population even if it is all grown indoors or imports.
Could you make a video on whether the eternal empire (zakull) could have actually taken over the galaxy and ruled it effectively
I don't see how the number could be so high as all these people would still have to be fed. They can't be fed from imports, like the surface dwellers, because it would show in the import statistics. So they have to grow their own food in an underground city without rain, sunlight, soil or fresh air. And even if you have access to some super-lichen or something that just doesn't work.
So while the videos number of surface dwellers is probably more realistic than canon I can only speculate that we always see the few population centers and not the vast stretches of ghost towns/super-lichen farms when we visit the Coruscant undercity in SW.
This is absurd, naturally, and utterly inconsistent with how the planet is described, shown, and otherwise depicted in all of the franchise.
Armies in Star Wars are tiny by earth Standards. 1-2% of a planet's total population, tops.
Even at those tiny numbers, Couruscant has enough people to conquer the rest of the Galaxy. Easily.
So, the next important question... How did they feed all these people? It's not like Star Wars has replicators.
Well I mean it does help that you have not even just a planetary logistics Network but a galactic logistics Network. There are many worlds that are literally just dedicated to farming known as agriworlds like Chandrilla.
Trade between planets.
You know there's like people living in the walls 😂
I would never live in coruscant, i would just start a new life in some farming colony
My guess is that the census only accounted for the upper part, likely the one with at least 75% of sunlight per day, you know, because they are people whose lives are considered living and not just vegetating along their existence. Also, if the lower levels are firmly in the grips of criminals, a census-taker might not even have dared to go there in the first place, robbing the entire lower half of ever being heard. And given that the lower half is likely far more crowded due to the sheer sizes of crammed-in bunk apartments, that likely accounted for the majority of the population anyway.
So I'd guess that 3 trillion is closer to the upper 5% of the entire population, the one that the Empire not only felt comfortable to count, but also felt safe to be counted. And probably, they disregarded any non-human to begin with, given the xenophobic sentiment.
If they import most of their food and fresh water, wouldn't that be enough info to base your population numbers on?
I do assume that the lower levels had some kind of factory/vertical farming going on, at a large enough scale that maybe they didn't need to import food to the underworld? The same for recycling water - the planet must have had seas and oceans at one point, so I guess all that water has been purified over and over countless times? I assume that the tech in Star Wars would make that fairly easy to do.
What I don't understand is how they keep the planet habitable? No surface plant life and no sea life would mean no oxygen production. I guess they recycled the air, even above the "surface" level? I also guess that they have planetary weather control, while all of that hard scape would reflect light and cool the planet, trillions upon trillions of people, and the industry and transportation networks they use, would heat up the planet quite a bit.
There are some indirect observations that will help give you a population count. For instance human bodies (and alien bodies!) give off heat, so temperature radiated into space would be an indicator. That would also explain why the rich live at the top of high towers, to take advantage of natural cooling. Recycling is not 100% efficient, so imported food is another indirect indicator. Sensitive Jedi would be able to give rough estimates just by the level of the Force! I'm sure more sophisticated metrics would be available in such a (superficially at least) civilisation.
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I think there is a Sasquatch behind you Allen?!😅
510,064,472 km²
Earth - Surface Area
New York is the world's 37th city by population density at 20,288 per sq/km
510,064,472 * 20,288 = 10,348,188,007,936
Or about 10.3 trillion people