@@codeobey6821 205 in a sr20 are plenty, its much lighter, and the biggest problem in the GT86 is the torque hole(at around 3000rmp). Which makes it feel slower than any other car at that power-level.
@@gky3019 my friend has a gt86 he has installed headers and a remapped ecu and the torque has increased and the torque dip is non existent now so i guess a new ecu and headers
Max James Then it will bring you pleasure to hear that toyota is planning to release an all wheel drive, boosted version of the 86 to fill the gap between the 86 and the ft1 when its released in a few years ;)
I have no idea *when* Its coming, But I have a friend in toyota that told me the 86 project was green lit for production months before anybody else seemed to have the information, He also told me about the existance of the FT-1 months before rumors etc started popping up. He told me that there is an AWD boosted 86 on the cards in the future, aswell as a mid engined 2 seater hybrid and a front wheel drive "sports" car
Yeah it's so much easier to buy the trd (I would find a way to drop a 1mz in there and it still be rwd. Then turbocharge it. Dual exhaust with x- pipe. ) than to get the pre supercharged and change the bumpers, body stuff blah blah, as I would be swapping the motor anyways. Fuck a flat four..
In my opinion, the FR-S/GT86 doesn't need any boost, its almost there with the power, and it definitely doesn't need any suspension changes, the handling is perfect, it can take a mountain road like some of the newer corvettes I've driven. It just needs about 40-50 more HP and it'll be golden. Intake, exhaust a tune and maybe a cam.
They havent because the STI is subarus flagship sports car Itll be too competitive to plop the engine into a car where they dont even see 100% of the profits
I think the only reason as to why Toyota didn't release a more powerful version of the GT86 is because they want to leave a gap between their low cost sports car and the upcoming Supra (if it ever happens)
yes thank you for knowing your shit haha and um btw it has a boxer in it which the exhaust for those come out the front so its just a normal turbo just mounted backwards.. centrifugal chargers are belt driven
what if this was a car ment to be built by its owner? like what if they didnt want to make a car that would be as fast and handles the same as the next model number but a car that you can customize easily your own way?
I think that was the whole point honestly. Every GT86 with mods is different to the next every say 350hp one is different to the next. It was meant to be built by the owner
Are you kidding me? The TRD 86 cost as much as a base 370Z? What a joke. Toyota always pulls some stupid move like this with their TRD cars or "Special" Scion cars and then over price the hell out of them. They did it with the Celica and MR2. They just put on make up and say they are exclusive and never put any balls under the hood. Jesus christ, not even a Cold Air Intake. What a joke. I'll stick with the more powerful Porsche Boxster/Cayman Killer 370Z.
this is what i've been saying since this car came out. It's overpriced even the standard version because for less money you could get a GTI which is faster and much nicer equipped or for the same price or just a bit over you could get a slightly used 370Z! I am glad HKS understands the car is underpowered and brings out its potential though.
smgs921 I agree. I don't hate the GT86 it's just that I believe it will suffer the same fate as the Celica and MR2 because Toyota didn't learn why those cars stopped selling in their final years. People bought those cars like crazy when they just came out but then later people couldn't justify the price for performance ratio when there are slightly more expensive cars with a drastic increase in performance or cars that cost slightly less with the same performance or better. Like you said a GTI is a better buy, even an older used 350Z HR is a better buy and I won't even mention a 370Z because that's obviously a better car for the money. Not to mention an RX8 or the S2000s that are still out there that makes the TRD 86 look like a joke. It's a good car, I just think it's way too over hyped and overpriced for what it is.
I agree i believe the problem is subaru designed the boxer engine it uses. While toyota doesn't have anything in their lineup that would be affected by an increase in power, subaru has the WRX so they won't release a turbo model since it would affect WRX sales.
smgs921 This is true but didn't they say that they will discontinue the BRZ? If Toyota threw in the engine from the V6 Camry in this thing it would be unbelievable and save them money since they won't have to share with Subaru anymore. The same engine in the Camry is also in the Lotus Evora but it's supercharged.
already?? if that's the case toyota could do some amazing things with this. the camry v6 would be a beast but I think it would throw the weight distribution off. They need to throw in the new 2.0t for the is250 plus then tuning for more power is cheap and easy
In a few years, buy a used GT86/BRZ for under 20,000, get the ~300hp version of the Crawford kit, and still stay under 30,000 for the net price. That would be quite the bargain.
Problem: price of both vehicles is about $36K USD. Plenty of vehicles in that price range that will be competitive or downright give these two a smack down.
Exactly. Even if you only want a new car, a new Camaro SS will destroy both of these in straight line, cornering, track times, sound, practicality etc.
Anton Zuykov I'm not sure if you have seen track numbers for the 1le Camaro SS but they are very fast. Even faster than the BMW m4 and competing with the BMW m4 GTS. The SS could definitely stomp the GT86 in basically every category.
Shid, I’d settle for a good 300whp lol. 350 or more and I may find myself not only getting into trouble but spending a lot more money than I’d like to admit….just yet at least 😅.
I do love the look of both cars, but being 21, I don't think the insurance companies would be very happy with me driving a supercharged rear wheel drive coupe.
Alex has improved so much in 2 years... there is such a difference between this video and the newer ones. He seems awkward in this vid and his on screen confidence is lacking. That and the written script wasnt helping much. Now everything is much better. Good progress CT 👍👍
I've got to say I would still go for the standard GT86, do the power boosting my self ( or get it professionally tuned how I want it) and do the better styling myself, because I can't help thinking that the TRD bodykit looks like a really cheap bolt on kit :( Just my opinion
I really think a supercharger just isn't required on the 86. It's the perfect example where less is more. Everyone complains about being stuck at 3000rpm. Well.... you're in control of that thing! Try 7000rpm for a change.
You could fly to Japan and import a clean silvia s15 spec r, ship it back, put some mods on it and still have money left, which looks better and much faster than a TRD...
I would take smaller Turbo, you can make it really good for daily driving if properly tuned with 280-300 hp. The responsiveness is better and it climes the rpm’s evenly/smoothly if you don’t exaggerate the power and turbo size.
I switched out the Prius tires on my 2013 FR-S to the same size Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 tires. No more drifting like with the Prius tires, it just sticks in the corners like a banshee. As for more power, the GT-86/FR-S/BR-Z are all made in a Subaru factory in Japan, so why don't they put in the Subie 2.5L that comes in the Forester instead of the stock 2L and kick up the horsepower a notch? Seems logical to me.
guyfihi its market is as a cheap sports car, 2.5ltr would have higher fuel costs... i agree it is stupid, as with most modern subarus having a 'more fuel efficent' 2ltr instead of the old EJ25 2.5ltr as standard... nowadays if you want the more powerful 2.5ltr you've gotta get the STI impreza... when it used to be standard equipment on older soobys
***** They should at least offer more power as an option, see if it would sell. I don't think the FR-S is gutless, I mean 6.7 sec 0-60 at sea level with a stick isn't bad, it's just that a lot of family sedans like a Camry with a V-6 call pull that now. But if a person wants a straight line performance sports car better look at a V-6 Genesis, Mustang or Camaro. The handling of the FR-S is phenomenal though, especially with optional tires.
It's called a centrifugal supercharger. Looks the same as a turbo, but as above, it's belt driven. No lag giving it more driveability with power on demand, but of course it uses the power produced from the engine resulting in lower peak power.
Om, I know what a Supercharger is Chris, hence why I said "Ahh, thats a Turbo, not a Supercharger". Its a turbo in this, but I know the difference between the three types of turbos/superchargers. Lol. When their belt driven, they whine, in the case of Superchargers, but he actually mentions hearing it sucking in the air, which only happens with the Turbochargers ran off the exhaust lol.
+TheAventadorSV Celica are rwd,fwd,awd..... last model of Celica are fwd... and the succesor of the ae86 doesnt existe..... because Corolla stile exist
Guys, this is HKS V1 Supercharger that give 225 HP. There is now the V2 kit that give 250/260 HP with SP98 and the 38mm HKS restrictor. That can pass 300/340 HP with no restrictor (with you own risk) and E85.
I really enjoy your videos, i found the channel via the silly stuff (2 guys 1 car) and i stayed because your reviews, RR etc. are all really high quality stuff and i really enjoy them, keep it up.
There are actually people that argue giving this thing a TC/SC will screw up the handling or drivability. That doesn't make any sense, as long as you're not trying to make an absurd amount of HP. The car will still corner perfectly provided you know how to drive....
I'm guessing you're a big fan of initial d lmao. For a street car that 99 percent of people aren't gonna be tracking or doing anything crazy in, more power is better.
Obviously an insult to those cars whose appearance actually match their performance. For FA20, single exhaust is already enough, duo is definitely as far as I would go, for the look of course.
Haha I thought the same thing. Even on the e36 M3 (my fav gen of the M3) the quad is still only two pipes handling 3 cylinders worth of exhaust each. BMW could have given it a better flow but instead just gave us a heavier exhaust system. I love the euro and asia spec 86 but a quad is kind of unwarranted :((
Marvin Chinchilla that's a good classic example. More modern example can be 991.2 carrera. 3.0T 420hp 368lb.ft, with an astonishing 2 exhaust tips. Just more of a lol to the rice overkilled quad exhaust on the like of 86 and some Korean cars too...just smh
I still don't get why Toyota don't offer a more powerful GT86 as a production model. The car looks great but there are diesel hatches out there that will outperform it. HKS is the way to go! Although at 31 grand you can still get more power and RWD from a BMW 135i. It could still do with a bit more than 270bhp to seal the deal.
I'm a half Jew with an abstract mind, in 2012, I bought an 2001 Honda S2000 with a damaged engine...(Scorched Piston) for u.s.$8000.I Rebuild the Engine with Melling 2mm Steel Sleves, added a Accord 2.4L Crankshaft, K1 Connecting rods and Wiseco forged pistons. I increased the Factory 240BHP to 290 and the Torque from ~150 to 200tq, then I added the Vortech Supercharger, which I bought used for $2000 and a standalone ECU, had it all tuned @ 13psi and was making 415WHP, I spend $14,500 total including the car and it was all payed for without a car note. Go get you a $500 Car note for five years! If I would do it all over again, I go Turbo, more reliable and maintenance friendly
i love a mercedes 190, that is like the ideal car for the quote "they don't make them like they used to"... my father bought one brand new in german and drove it to 400,000 miles (not KM) without a single mechanical problem
Ben Dover yep, that was the last Mercedes that designed for long life. Nowday's mercedes cars: if something goes wrong, the repairing bills are starting az 500$. I hate them... My dad and his brother had so many 190, and i could drive one, oh man, that feeling :D Much better than every other v8 shit :D
I still dont get it, why some GT86 owners wants more power??? dont they know that GT86 in its stock setting is already a factory-made drift car? balance engine power, suspension setting, THE PRIUS TIRES, its entire weight, its transmission, all of it are basically balanced to be a drift car. One theory is that, GT86 is the re-incarnated Toyota Corolla Trueno GT Apex 86' model, in other words, the hachiroku. Clarkson already made a review of GT86 in one of their films, Worst car in the world.
With the standards for today's cars, people look for sheer numbers more than what originally made us love cars, the fun of it. sure, it's not very appealing on paper, and yes, because of today's prices, it is just as pricey as the much faster car. but toyota was a brand made for fun daily drivers. When they really make fast cars, its iconic, but that's not their target for the gt86. They made this in mind where it would be ultimately fun on track, but also modular, jdm brands like toyota and honda are known for their easy modularity, meaning the owner can do what he feels, many cars come out with such complicated designs, this one does not. People enjoy what they enjoy, don't take it away because of your beliefs
From where I am, the TRD name is used for some "range topping" Yaris hatchback. With some bodykit and rice looking decals. No gain in power. Automatic only.
The 86 and FR-S are the same car, dude.lol just a different name for a different country. Just like the Lexus SC400 in the US, is called a Toyota Soarer in other countries.
GHOS7v its called a Toyota-scion-subaru alliances.. its ther project together... Use the same platform, scion are more into US market, Toyota more than UK market and Subaru more into Asia market.. yes you can find this all model but it will be in different prices.. Subaru brz have a little bit extra on engine, its have mix around with WRX shaft ( i guess) but when come to Technology , Gt86 win
XeoKill I care since I am poor... lol If I were to buy a new car and it breaks down on me I definitely won't have the cash to fix it so yeah, a warranty on a new car is a must for me
HaloToday bro the HKS is the version of 86 supercharge... By mean, its not a mod car, its come stock with supercharged if you buy the Supercharged version...
why think that? The HKS has the same suspension/ride height and such as the TRD model... and it has a supercharger. so why would the exact same car only naturally aspirated be better in autocross?
Whats the point with supercharger? Isnt a turbo so much better as it can actually LOWER your fuel consumption and not increase it like sup-charger does
turbo doesn't lower fuel consumption... in fact it raises it more than a supercharger would. why turbos are fuel efficient is because you can have a smaller engine with the same power. so putting turbos on an existing engine does not increase the fuel economy... back to your main point. there is no point for super charges. they should die, everything should be turbo'd. i want a turbo on my blender....
Turbos are better for high end power due to them needing to take time to spool up and provide boost whereas supercharges are better for lower end power
Mortalomena super charger = more immediate power at your disposal turbine = more efficient method of increasing power/ often makes hissing noises thats pretty much a basic break down
Mortalomena i heard its because when you want to go hard into a corner you dont want a turbo to spool up and a supercharger lets you have power that you can predict.
Supercharger gives you more instant power, there is no lag like a lot of turbos have aka turbo lag, it doesn't over heat like turbos tend to do with heavy use and there much more reliable.. I'd take a supercharger any day over a turbo.. U don't have to waste time building up boost the power is always there with a supercharger.. There are MUCH more benefits of superchargers than turbos
Toyota and subaru's mentality was to first succeed in selling as many cars as possible around the world with the least amount of fuss .that would accommodate both male and female drivers, and all age brackets which would keep the insurance and the overall cost of the car to a minimum and in turn generate maximum sales forcasts.They succeeded with flying colours in this venture .But why in gods name did they fail to capitalize on say a third version of the car like a GTS-R version that would have covered all the bases and increased sales even more and in turn kept the purist's super happy as well .Imagine a 250 kw version like a rex or evo for around 50 to 60 grand.This in rear wheel drive would have ......OH WAIT THE FUCKERS ARE LEAVING THIS SPACE FOR POSSIBLY THE NEW SUPRA. That's why japanese car manufacturers are no better than there western counterparts, because greed is more important to them these days than what they usaully are known for.BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. Later.
jose jalapenho I think your missing the point.japanese cars are the best in the world.I own a gt 86 and am super happy with my 143 kw.Im sick of these new age hipster jokester's thinking their golf R is a better car than a gt 86 at twice the price.All it has is more horsepower.Hence toyota put a supercharger or turbo on the 86 and sell it for ten to 15 grand less than a golf and watch vw go out of business. Whose running these companies.Turbo's cost car companies like 350 bucks for one unit.For gods sake bolt them on and put Porsche out of business cos its not rocket science
I am doing my best to push The Company for a factory Supercharger, as they have one for the car in development. I am pleased enough that they did in fact improve the car in ways of handling. I went my way to send Scion/Toyota a couple of hints of what could be improved on the vehicle. as I am happy they released a new sports car. (at least) Any remarks on improvement write on my wall!!
Forgive me for not understanding the appeal of the GT86, it's just not fast enough for my tastes... Prefer to buy an almost new 370z for that money, or a decent 350z and spend the rest on fuel :D
I don't know where you're at, but a Z in America costs quite a bit more than an 86. You also don't get the insurance seats so that factors into higher premiums. The car is an everyday sports car to have fun zipping around in. It's more meant to appeal to the miata crowd than anything, really. Z's are nice cars and what a lot of people do to their car puts it into Z price territory, but some more like to customize the platform than just buy it from a dealer. I got an 86 because it was fun to drive, super affordable, and pretty decent on gas. Getting 35 mpg on the highway and still being able to have some safe fun driving around town is a nice combo. It also goes fast enough to get you a speeding ticket, so really it doesn't *need* to be any faster for an everyday driver.
Like ein311 said... lots of people would prefer buying parts for the brz/frs/gt86 and make it their personal work of art compared to a factory vehicle. Also this means that their "project" car still has better fuel economy in most cases. There is also the car club credo "built not bought" of you know what i mean but i mean thats just what i can pick up on from my point of view and infact if you use non-branded or lower brand products which most of the time are equally as good you can get results for even cheaper.
ein311 You realize any car could get you a speeding ticket? The stock GT86 feels slower than my mums Civic. Just plain boring if you don't live near mountains or nice corners.
Husam Hammadi Yea, which is why the whole "MOAR POWAR!!" thing is really pointless for anyone that does all of their driving on public roads. Passing power is nice, but you don't need 400hp to do that. Different people have different tastes in their cars. If you're happy driving around a fwd shoebox, then go for it.
Im really surprised Subaru haven't an sti turbo version of this car, even Toyota's old 3sgte would have been great in this car,i guess well have to wait for the new Supra for some real Toyota power in a 3 door rear drive coupe.
Honda S2000 has 250bhp Rwd with a 9k RPM as standard and you can get a decent one for around 6k add a few mods and you have a beast for so little cash it makes the GT86's 30k+ price tag a total joke.
It would be better to compare it at a race track don't you think? To actually see the real difference with the performance packages. Rather than cruising along city roads.
you speak of the HKS kit not doing much down low ... yeah, its a centrifugal kit. If you went for the Edelbrock twin screw kit for around the same price, you would've gotten the down low grunt you expected from a supercharger; which also happens to enhance the power band where most people use it most of the time. Seems to me, besides lag, the HKS kit would be better replaced with a turbo kit for the high rpm power.
New FRS - 200HP
16 Year olds - "Too slow!"
200,000 Mile 240SX - 112HP
16 Year olds - 🙂
Lancer Mafia 😂Yeah , and the Sr20’s are only making 205hp
@@codeobey6821 205 in a sr20 are plenty, its much lighter, and the biggest problem in the GT86 is the torque hole(at around 3000rmp). Which makes it feel slower than any other car at that power-level.
Miata and gt86 are my favorite cars!!
@@gky3019 my friend has a gt86 he has installed headers and a remapped ecu and the torque has increased and the torque dip is non existent now so i guess a new ecu and headers
Ariyan Khan damn thats good to know, might look into that
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4:54 RIP bug crossing the road.
+Kj16V It survived.
+Kj16V ITS GOOOOOD
PETA
i think he survived
no, I imagine he got ducked up by the supercharger ;-)
Sorry for the reupload guys - RUclips made yesterday's version SD... and who wants to watch a car review in 360p?! Troll.
Actually I watch all my videos in 360p. That way my internet provider doesn't charge me more when I inevitably go over the limit!
Just love the GT86, a great car and still miss the GT-4 even to this day.
Max James Then it will bring you pleasure to hear that toyota is planning to release an all wheel drive, boosted version of the 86 to fill the gap between the 86 and the ft1 when its released in a few years ;)
I have no idea *when* Its coming, But I have a friend in toyota that told me the 86 project was green lit for production months before anybody else seemed to have the information, He also told me about the existance of the FT-1 months before rumors etc started popping up. He told me that there is an AWD boosted 86 on the cards in the future, aswell as a mid engined 2 seater hybrid and a front wheel drive "sports" car
You pronounce Japanese way better than how japanese people pronounce english
How about the TRD with a supercharger? Better looks and more power. That sounds like a nice combination.
And more money :)
1jz turbo+ Rocket Bunny= heaven.
Turbo, as in instead of twins, just one. Lol
Ah ok :)
i have one.... but TURBO ! check my channel
This is like the revived and revised AE86. Long live the legend!
So basically; buy the TRD and turbo it, or the HKS and a body kit/ new wheels?
I've thought the same thing :))
Buy a turbo or buy a bodykit and wheels 😀
+Madness and you have a car a little shy of the R35 GTR .
Yeah it's so much easier to buy the trd (I would find a way to drop a 1mz in there and it still be rwd. Then turbocharge it. Dual exhaust with x- pipe. ) than to get the pre supercharged and change the bumpers, body stuff blah blah, as I would be swapping the motor anyways. Fuck a flat four..
or buy any used version of a higher performing car for the same money
***** lol... didnt you buy the 86/brz for its balance? putting a heavier engine ruins the reason it was built, superb handling
In my opinion, the FR-S/GT86 doesn't need any boost, its almost there with the power, and it definitely doesn't need any suspension changes, the handling is perfect, it can take a mountain road like some of the newer corvettes I've driven. It just needs about 40-50 more HP and it'll be golden. Intake, exhaust a tune and maybe a cam.
Are you a SEAL yet?
@@OngoGablogian185 😂
Subaru and Toyota need to offer the 305 hp STI engine as an option.
i doubt you can handle 200hp to its full potential let alone 305hp bud.
I'm surprised they haven't yet. everybody has been waiting for a factory turbo
They havent because the STI is subarus flagship sports car
Itll be too competitive to plop the engine into a car where they dont even see 100% of the profits
holy shit howd u pronounce those asian names so well lol??? Am I the only one surprised?
Armoni Visuals i am asian
To-yo-ta. I know, it's tough but practice and you'll get it!
Marvin Chinchilla lmao fuck you i have a celica XD
Haha well done. Supras are some of the last good things To-yo-ta made. Nice taste.
Marvin Chinchilla Toy-yo-ta
I think the only reason as to why Toyota didn't release a more powerful version of the GT86 is because they want to leave a gap between their low cost sports car and the upcoming Supra (if it ever happens)
FishTankArmy or maybe cos subaru doesn't want a drop in wrx sale?
you knew the future! Supra is already here
@@jet_trooper but it's a bmw in Toyotas clothes
@@jet_trooper The Supra is soon going to get a GRMN version, so that isn't just a BMW.
FishTankArmy well Supra is out now
Is it me or does it look more like a turbocharger rather than a supercharger
rictorkooldude10 I control f-ed the comments to see if anyone else noticed this.
+Captain Slow GT86 +1
yes thank you for knowing your shit haha and um btw it has a boxer in it which the exhaust for those come out the front so its just a normal turbo just mounted backwards.. centrifugal chargers are belt driven
its not a turbo lol
michael loney It's a centrifugal supercharger
what if this was a car ment to be built by its owner? like what if they didnt want to make a car that would be as fast and handles the same as the next model number but a car that you can customize easily your own way?
Fotografiologia yup
well said !!!
Fotografiologia they built car with less power because you can get way more from the car in the handling department
I think that was the whole point honestly. Every GT86 with mods is different to the next every say 350hp one is different to the next. It was meant to be built by the owner
And, for a sports car it isn't really that expensive. I got the 2016 FRS and I love it, does need a lot more power but I am working on it.
i hate that almost everyone complains that the stock or TRD gt86 has a too small amount of Horsepower! the car is about fun, not horsepower
True
Because when you're just driving to-from your various destinations, it just has no guts inside. Every day isn't track day in the real world.
well then buy yourself a nissan 350z or something
Are you kidding me? The TRD 86 cost as much as a base 370Z? What a joke. Toyota always pulls some stupid move like this with their TRD cars or "Special" Scion cars and then over price the hell out of them. They did it with the Celica and MR2. They just put on make up and say they are exclusive and never put any balls under the hood. Jesus christ, not even a Cold Air Intake. What a joke. I'll stick with the more powerful Porsche Boxster/Cayman Killer 370Z.
this is what i've been saying since this car came out. It's overpriced even the standard version because for less money you could get a GTI which is faster and much nicer equipped or for the same price or just a bit over you could get a slightly used 370Z! I am glad HKS understands the car is underpowered and brings out its potential though.
smgs921 I agree. I don't hate the GT86 it's just that I believe it will suffer the same fate as the Celica and MR2 because Toyota didn't learn why those cars stopped selling in their final years. People bought those cars like crazy when they just came out but then later people couldn't justify the price for performance ratio when there are slightly more expensive cars with a drastic increase in performance or cars that cost slightly less with the same performance or better. Like you said a GTI is a better buy, even an older used 350Z HR is a better buy and I won't even mention a 370Z because that's obviously a better car for the money. Not to mention an RX8 or the S2000s that are still out there that makes the TRD 86 look like a joke.
It's a good car, I just think it's way too over hyped and overpriced for what it is.
I agree i believe the problem is subaru designed the boxer engine it uses. While toyota doesn't have anything in their lineup that would be affected by an increase in power, subaru has the WRX so they won't release a turbo model since it would affect WRX sales.
smgs921 This is true but didn't they say that they will discontinue the BRZ? If Toyota threw in the engine from the V6 Camry in this thing it would be unbelievable and save them money since they won't have to share with Subaru anymore. The same engine in the Camry is also in the Lotus Evora but it's supercharged.
already?? if that's the case toyota could do some amazing things with this. the camry v6 would be a beast but I think it would throw the weight distribution off. They need to throw in the new 2.0t for the is250 plus then tuning for more power is cheap and easy
In a few years, buy a used GT86/BRZ for under 20,000, get the ~300hp version of the Crawford kit, and still stay under 30,000 for the net price. That would be quite the bargain.
Problem: price of both vehicles is about $36K USD. Plenty of vehicles in that price range that will be competitive or downright give these two a smack down.
Exactly. Even if you only want a new car, a new Camaro SS will destroy both of these in straight line, cornering, track times, sound, practicality etc.
$26K then we are talking for these cars. Camaro SS any day over these two turds.
Chase Vineland but JDM man.. JDM.. (._.)
Chase Vineland but JDM man.. JDM.. (._.)
Anton Zuykov I'm not sure if you have seen track numbers for the 1le Camaro SS but they are very fast. Even faster than the BMW m4 and competing with the BMW m4 GTS. The SS could definitely stomp the GT86 in basically every category.
This thing with 400 hp must be a huge blast... Its so light and nimble
Shid, I’d settle for a good 300whp lol. 350 or more and I may find myself not only getting into trouble but spending a lot more money than I’d like to admit….just yet at least 😅.
6:28, the second GT86 kinda looks like an LFA at quick glance
Its a great looking car imo and to be fair, it may not have the power it's deprived of, but its still a fun coupé
I do love the look of both cars, but being 21, I don't think the insurance companies would be very happy with me driving a supercharged rear wheel drive coupe.
Don't tell them
Alex has improved so much in 2 years... there is such a difference between this video and the newer ones. He seems awkward in this vid and his on screen confidence is lacking. That and the written script wasnt helping much. Now everything is much better. Good progress CT 👍👍
I've got to say I would still go for the standard GT86, do the power boosting my self ( or get it professionally tuned how I want it) and do the better styling myself, because I can't help thinking that the TRD bodykit looks like a really cheap bolt on kit :( Just my opinion
Well, the TRD kit pretty much is a bolt on. :P
I love the wheels on the trd package. I can do without the rest of the kit.
I think he should have brought a GT86 with a Rocket bunny kit
Gt86 was never meant to have alot of horses or go fast in the straight it's just meant to to be pure rwd turning joy
I'm quite frustrated with the fact that they call that a supercharger.
We desperately need a different name for it.
hectorae86 how about a Centrifugal type supercharger and not just say supercharger?
I really think a supercharger just isn't required on the 86. It's the perfect example where less is more. Everyone complains about being stuck at 3000rpm. Well.... you're in control of that thing! Try 7000rpm for a change.
Just buy the TRD and install the HKS supercharger kit. Win-win on performance and appearance.
+Idtelos Or just buy a Honda S2000 instead... ;)
+TassieLorenzo no
AkaraFTW Or a Mazda RX-7 instead ;(((((
Or a HKS supercharger with a Rocket bunny kit
4:55, that bug got so lucky on that road.
You could fly to Japan and import a clean silvia s15 spec r, ship it back, put some mods on it and still have money left, which looks better and much faster than a TRD...
your on my level. even a toyota chaser 1jz TRD tourer V with a few bits and bobs could eat this
Alex I love the way this video is made!!! You guys keep improving from video to video.
Just drop the hks kit onto the trd body and bam you got a good looking quick gt86
for close to $40k. smh for that price buy a 370Z new with LSD and run laps around the gt86
For 40k I'd just get or boxster or something or project a mr2 etc
You could get a supra for the price of a gt86 by itself
I would take smaller Turbo, you can make it really good for daily driving if properly tuned with 280-300 hp. The responsiveness is better and it climes the rpm’s evenly/smoothly if you don’t exaggerate the power and turbo size.
I switched out the Prius tires on my 2013 FR-S to the same size Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 tires. No more drifting like with the Prius tires, it just sticks in the corners like a banshee. As for more power, the GT-86/FR-S/BR-Z are all made in a Subaru factory in Japan, so why don't they put in the Subie 2.5L that comes in the Forester instead of the stock 2L and kick up the horsepower a notch? Seems logical to me.
guyfihi or jdm sti engine...
Rory MacKay
Yes exactly, it's a mystery to me.
guyfihi
its market is as a cheap sports car, 2.5ltr would have higher fuel costs...
i agree it is stupid, as with most modern subarus having a 'more fuel efficent' 2ltr instead of the old EJ25 2.5ltr as standard... nowadays if you want the more powerful 2.5ltr you've gotta get the STI impreza... when it used to be standard equipment on older soobys
***** They should at least offer more power as an option, see if it would sell. I don't think the FR-S is gutless, I mean 6.7 sec 0-60 at sea level with a stick isn't bad, it's just that a lot of family sedans like a Camry with a V-6 call pull that now. But if a person wants a straight line performance sports car better look at a V-6 Genesis, Mustang or Camaro. The handling of the FR-S is phenomenal though, especially with optional tires.
If they combined the TRD looks with the hks performance it would be spot on!
Not too troll but...isn't that a Turbocharger, and not a Supercharger? Looks like a turbo from here...
And you are talking about suction noise, that only comes with Turbos. Superchargers have a whine, not a scooping-of-air sound.
Yeah its a turbo
Jacobi Sparks lol a supercharger is a turbo run off a belt and not exhaust gasses. thats a supercharger. Philip Lotto look it up
It's called a centrifugal supercharger. Looks the same as a turbo, but as above, it's belt driven. No lag giving it more driveability with power on demand, but of course it uses the power produced from the engine resulting in lower peak power.
Om, I know what a Supercharger is Chris, hence why I said "Ahh, thats a Turbo, not a Supercharger". Its a turbo in this, but I know the difference between the three types of turbos/superchargers. Lol. When their belt driven, they whine, in the case of Superchargers, but he actually mentions hearing it sucking in the air, which only happens with the Turbochargers ran off the exhaust lol.
you mean to tell me that "Car Throttle" isn't just some guy at home making top 10 videos?
+Ben Dover Not sure... :) Doesn't matter really.
It's the spiritual successor of ae86
+Pronojit Dutta this is celica successor !
+gabriel tanguay The Celica is FWD, its the successor to the AE86
+TheAventadorSV Celica are rwd,fwd,awd..... last model of Celica are fwd... and the succesor of the ae86 doesnt existe..... because Corolla stile exist
Thats why I said the word "spiritual"
gabriel tanguay They only sold them in front wheel drive form in my country. Sorry my bad
You forgot to mention the BRAKES on the TRD. It's the first thing you notice on the images. Big fucken slotted discs with big calipers.
+papapetad oh ok here come the brakes at 3.30...and they're optional which explains the initial description. Nevermind then.
what about the TRD-LZR?
+brunoignaciogi LOL!
it would amaze ya'
bringin' back the full ricey flavour
The race instagater
Guys, this is HKS V1 Supercharger that give 225 HP. There is now the V2 kit that give 250/260 HP with SP98 and the 38mm HKS restrictor. That can pass 300/340 HP with no restrictor (with you own risk) and E85.
6k seems steep for brakes exhaust and a body kit
I still panic when I see oncoming traffic in these videos. I always forget that you guys are supposed to drive on the left side.
ill go for HKS
I really enjoy your videos, i found the channel via the silly stuff (2 guys 1 car) and i stayed because your reviews, RR etc. are all really high quality stuff and i really enjoy them, keep it up.
The answer is Rocket Bunny kit
There are actually people that argue giving this thing a TC/SC will screw up the handling or drivability. That doesn't make any sense, as long as you're not trying to make an absurd amount of HP. The car will still corner perfectly provided you know how to drive....
That Trd body kit is tacky literally...like a tack on after-thought.
But it looks great haha, and that's all that matters imo
An HKS with a TRD rear spoiler would be my choice. The full bodykit looks just a bit too silly.
2020 Toyota supra BMW engine Vs Custom swapped 2JZ
"More power is better!"
Me: have you even heard of BALANCE???
I'm guessing you're a big fan of initial d lmao. For a street car that 99 percent of people aren't gonna be tracking or doing anything crazy in, more power is better.
It's an insult to put quad exhaust on a weak engine powered car like this. What were they smoking? Rice much? How does that improve anything?
Obviously an insult to those cars whose appearance actually match their performance. For FA20, single exhaust is already enough, duo is definitely as far as I would go, for the look of course.
agree! less is more
Haha I thought the same thing. Even on the e36 M3 (my fav gen of the M3) the quad is still only two pipes handling 3 cylinders worth of exhaust each. BMW could have given it a better flow but instead just gave us a heavier exhaust system. I love the euro and asia spec 86 but a quad is kind of unwarranted :((
Marvin Chinchilla that's a good classic example. More modern example can be 991.2 carrera. 3.0T 420hp 368lb.ft, with an astonishing 2 exhaust tips. Just more of a lol to the rice overkilled quad exhaust on the like of 86 and some Korean cars too...just smh
M156 Charles the 2018 Camry has quad exhaust
I want the looks of the TRD, with the performance of the HKS one
How about the Rocket Bunny GT86.
Like this video more than the newer ones
I still don't get why Toyota don't offer a more powerful GT86 as a production model. The car looks great but there are diesel hatches out there that will outperform it. HKS is the way to go! Although at 31 grand you can still get more power and RWD from a BMW 135i. It could still do with a bit more than 270bhp to seal the deal.
I say but the TRD. and the reason why is because of resale value. limited numbers means you'll get most of your money back if you sale it.
+turshin too bad there is no market for this car.
+soundseeker63 because power only isnt the anwser. the GT86 is a very good cornering vehicle. great for driving in the hills or forest roads.
+DevasionX lol under power isn't the answer either at least offer at 240hp version it would help out so much
+DevasionX of course not but 200HP is way to under rated 260 should a be a much better number from the factory.
I'm a half Jew with an abstract mind, in 2012, I bought an 2001 Honda S2000 with a damaged engine...(Scorched Piston) for u.s.$8000.I Rebuild the Engine with Melling 2mm Steel Sleves, added a Accord 2.4L Crankshaft, K1 Connecting rods and Wiseco forged pistons. I increased the Factory 240BHP to 290 and the Torque from ~150 to 200tq, then I added the Vortech Supercharger, which I bought used for $2000 and a standalone ECU, had it all tuned @ 13psi and was making 415WHP, I spend $14,500 total including the car and it was all payed for without a car note. Go get you a $500 Car note for five years! If I would do it all over again, I go Turbo, more reliable and maintenance friendly
For real power kicks in you'll need to look elsewhere - VTEC yo!
The reason you buy a 86 is to tune or have fun the car is built for tuning look at it lightweight rwd and easy to tune engine thank the toyota gods
Which Should I Buy? Mercedes 190.
E30... M50b25 can be easily tuned to ~700hp...
Paveseikkailija You must be a Master tuner to pull that off! Yay for random RUclips car Gurus!
ImSofaxxKingBad No need to be a master tuner, but it requires quite much skill and even more money.
i love a mercedes 190, that is like the ideal car for the quote "they don't make them like they used to"... my father bought one brand new in german and drove it to 400,000 miles (not KM) without a single mechanical problem
Ben Dover yep, that was the last Mercedes that designed for long life. Nowday's mercedes cars: if something goes wrong, the repairing bills are starting az 500$. I hate them... My dad and his brother had so many 190, and i could drive one, oh man, that feeling :D Much better than every other v8 shit :D
I love this , watched many , many times, great review , and yes this car deserves a supercharger! I have one on mine and boy oh boy does it go!
"Ders a soopachargar"
c:
Its a belt driven supercharger. Looks like a Turbo but has a belt that connects to the crankshaft
I still dont get it, why some GT86 owners wants more power???
dont they know that GT86 in its stock setting is already a factory-made drift car?
balance engine power, suspension setting, THE PRIUS TIRES, its entire weight, its transmission, all of it are basically balanced to be a drift car.
One theory is that, GT86 is the re-incarnated Toyota Corolla Trueno GT Apex 86' model, in other words, the hachiroku.
Clarkson already made a review of GT86 in one of their films, Worst car in the world.
With the standards for today's cars, people look for sheer numbers more than what originally made us love cars, the fun of it. sure, it's not very appealing on paper, and yes, because of today's prices, it is just as pricey as the much faster car. but toyota was a brand made for fun daily drivers. When they really make fast cars, its iconic, but that's not their target for the gt86. They made this in mind where it would be ultimately fun on track, but also modular, jdm brands like toyota and honda are known for their easy modularity, meaning the owner can do what he feels, many cars come out with such complicated designs, this one does not. People enjoy what they enjoy, don't take it away because of your beliefs
hks look a lot better
ur funny
+Meth Jayasekera I agree with him
thas ur opinion Ayrton Bondzanga
Meth Jayasekera no shit
I think he should have brought a HKS GT86 with a Rocket bunny kit
The irony that the one with no power change is the one with quad exhausts...
Toyota has been gone for a while. The name TRD is gone, the name TRD is just for marketing purpose for kid.
Denracer yeah bro trd is just for suspension, body kit and exhaust in Indonesia many car using TRD brand name but its just for a city car shit
Denracer well there's at least some decent upgrades. Not a total waste but it doesn't make sense to get the trd anymore
From where I am, the TRD name is used for some "range topping" Yaris hatchback. With some bodykit and rice looking decals. No gain in power. Automatic only.
Gazoo Racing is the "new TRD"
I would get the HSK. But if it was up to me on the brand of the supercharger I would get a Vortech one. The whine is what makes it special.
But I'd prefer a turbo...
i need 1 of these in my life.. 1 of these days when i finally make it big...or in 10-15 years of saving,ill get one
Have you made it yet? XD
wait wait, so theres the scion frs, toyota 86 and subaru's brz? wow....
The 86 and FR-S are the same car, dude.lol just a different name for a different country. Just like the Lexus SC400 in the US, is called a Toyota Soarer in other countries.
steven weber I know, Its just a bit of a shock to me. Seems like a bad marketing move.
+GHOS7v Kinda like the Saturn Sky, Pontiac Solstice, Opel GT
GHOS7v its called a Toyota-scion-subaru alliances.. its ther project together... Use the same platform, scion are more into US market, Toyota more than UK market and Subaru more into Asia market.. yes you can find this all model but it will be in different prices.. Subaru brz have a little bit extra on engine, its have mix around with WRX shaft ( i guess) but when come to Technology , Gt86 win
The best combination: TRD bobykit and wheels and HKS performance plus make it black
Does the HKS super charger kit void the factory warranty?
+HaloToday Yes.
who cares about a damn warranty when you can run 10's in the quarter
XeoKill I care since I am poor... lol If I were to buy a new car and it breaks down on me I definitely won't have the cash to fix it so yeah, a warranty on a new car is a must for me
HaloToday bro the HKS is the version of 86 supercharge... By mean, its not a mod car, its come stock with supercharged if you buy the Supercharged version...
bet you the TRD would kill the HKS in autocross though
why think that? The HKS has the same suspension/ride height and such as the TRD model... and it has a supercharger. so why would the exact same car only naturally aspirated be better in autocross?
Whats the point with supercharger? Isnt a turbo so much better as it can actually LOWER your fuel consumption and not increase it like sup-charger does
turbo doesn't lower fuel consumption... in fact it raises it more than a supercharger would. why turbos are fuel efficient is because you can have a smaller engine with the same power. so putting turbos on an existing engine does not increase the fuel economy... back to your main point. there is no point for super charges. they should die, everything should be turbo'd. i want a turbo on my blender....
Turbos are better for high end power due to them needing to take time to spool up and provide boost whereas supercharges are better for lower end power
Mortalomena super charger = more immediate power at your disposal
turbine = more efficient method of increasing power/ often makes hissing noises
thats pretty much a basic break down
Mortalomena i heard its because when you want to go hard into a corner you dont want a turbo to spool up and a supercharger lets you have power that you can predict.
Supercharger gives you more instant power, there is no lag like a lot of turbos have aka turbo lag, it doesn't over heat like turbos tend to do with heavy use and there much more reliable.. I'd take a supercharger any day over a turbo.. U don't have to waste time building up boost the power is always there with a supercharger.. There are MUCH more benefits of superchargers than turbos
The Car can handle it, you can handle it, love those words!!!
Toyota and subaru's mentality was to first succeed in selling as many cars as possible around the world with the least amount of fuss .that would accommodate both male and female drivers, and all age brackets which would keep the insurance and the overall cost of the car to a minimum and in turn generate maximum sales forcasts.They succeeded with flying colours in this venture .But why in gods name did they fail to capitalize on say a third version of the car like a GTS-R version that would have covered all the bases and increased sales even more and in turn kept the purist's super happy as well .Imagine a 250 kw version like a rex or evo for around 50 to 60 grand.This in rear wheel drive would have ......OH WAIT THE FUCKERS ARE LEAVING THIS SPACE FOR POSSIBLY THE NEW SUPRA. That's why japanese car manufacturers are no better than there western counterparts, because greed is more important to them these days than what they usaully are known for.BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. Later.
they made better cars so they deserve the money. greed is german cars, they are expensive and they suck.
jose jalapenho I think your missing the point.japanese cars are the best in the world.I own a gt 86 and am super happy with my 143 kw.Im sick of these new age hipster jokester's thinking their golf R is a better car than a gt 86 at twice the price.All it has is more horsepower.Hence toyota put a supercharger or turbo on the 86 and sell it for ten to 15 grand less than a golf and watch vw go out of business. Whose running these companies.Turbo's cost car companies like 350 bucks for one unit.For gods sake bolt them on and put Porsche out of business cos its not rocket science
I like the thought of putting super chargers into 86s, but in the end 86s were made for handling, not for power
Can the automatic transmission handle the extra power from the supercharger without breaking ?????
Automatic? F*ck automatic.
Tuddec fcuken youtube trolls lol... , the same bullsh*t everytime I ask a serious question about auto transmissions on gt86/frs/brz
Slickpete83 yeah im pretty sure it can. Ive driven my mates auto 86 and for a typical autobox its quite responsive.
Yep. There are quite a few AT supercharged 86s floating around.
Why would you buy such a drivers car with an AT??
I am doing my best to push The Company for a factory Supercharger, as they have one for the car in development. I am pleased enough that they did in fact improve the car in ways of handling. I went my way to send Scion/Toyota a couple of hints of what could be improved on the vehicle. as I am happy they released a new sports car. (at least) Any remarks on improvement write on my wall!!
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FUCKING BUY TRD WITH HKS SUPERCHARGER #richlyfe
Take the TRD design, wheels, brakes, and exhaust and combine with HKS performance
Forgive me for not understanding the appeal of the GT86, it's just not fast enough for my tastes... Prefer to buy an almost new 370z for that money, or a decent 350z and spend the rest on fuel :D
any Z = win.
I don't know where you're at, but a Z in America costs quite a bit more than an 86. You also don't get the insurance seats so that factors into higher premiums.
The car is an everyday sports car to have fun zipping around in. It's more meant to appeal to the miata crowd than anything, really.
Z's are nice cars and what a lot of people do to their car puts it into Z price territory, but some more like to customize the platform than just buy it from a dealer.
I got an 86 because it was fun to drive, super affordable, and pretty decent on gas. Getting 35 mpg on the highway and still being able to have some safe fun driving around town is a nice combo.
It also goes fast enough to get you a speeding ticket, so really it doesn't *need* to be any faster for an everyday driver.
Like ein311 said... lots of people would prefer buying parts for the brz/frs/gt86 and make it their personal work of art compared to a factory vehicle. Also this means that their "project" car still has better fuel economy in most cases. There is also the car club credo "built not bought" of you know what i mean but i mean thats just what i can pick up on from my point of view and infact if you use non-branded or lower brand products which most of the time are equally as good you can get results for even cheaper.
ein311 You realize any car could get you a speeding ticket?
The stock GT86 feels slower than my mums Civic. Just plain boring if you don't live near mountains or nice corners.
Husam Hammadi Yea, which is why the whole "MOAR POWAR!!" thing is really pointless for anyone that does all of their driving on public roads. Passing power is nice, but you don't need 400hp to do that.
Different people have different tastes in their cars. If you're happy driving around a fwd shoebox, then go for it.
TRD for looks, HKS for the power. add them together and you'll never get tried of the GT86 (FRS in the states)
I've seen the Greddy Turbo kit which boosts the GT86's power from 197/200hp to 350hp
This is just the same as old top gear.
Well... This is old carthrottle
I would get the trd kit with a hks supercharger
I hope these versions come to the US
at 2:17 that would be perfect if that exhaust sound and music were fused together.
Im really surprised Subaru haven't an sti turbo version of this car, even Toyota's old 3sgte would have been great in this car,i guess well have to wait for the new Supra for some real Toyota power in a 3 door rear drive coupe.
Ronan Mc Namee speaking of, BRZ STI is being unveiled at Tokyo Motor Show
We have a GT86 TRD we bought it right now
Honda S2000 has 250bhp Rwd with a 9k RPM as standard and you can get a decent one for around 6k add a few mods and you have a beast for so little cash it makes the GT86's 30k+ price tag a total joke.
It would be better to compare it at a race track don't you think?
To actually see the real difference with the performance packages. Rather than cruising along city roads.
TRD GT86 with an ls2 and t-56 swap 0_0" that is goodness.
Correction. What’s the BRZ/86 needed is an H6.
I Have A Requested...Can You Make On Next Video For Track Car...For KTM ,Ariel Atom And Caterham..Which One Will You Choose.
There is an 86 with a huge turbo that makes 700+hp somewhere in Japan
We need you to review the gr86 now
you speak of the HKS kit not doing much down low ... yeah, its a centrifugal kit. If you went for the Edelbrock twin screw kit for around the same price, you would've gotten the down low grunt you expected from a supercharger; which also happens to enhance the power band where most people use it most of the time. Seems to me, besides lag, the HKS kit would be better replaced with a turbo kit for the high rpm power.
With the reviewer on this, give me the TRD looks with the HKS power. Please.