This is a fantastic series on Swiss rifles. You’ve accumulated a vast amount of knowledge and it’s very kind of you to put the effort into sharing it all with us -Thank you!
Excellent Blog et très instructif. En tant que Français, j'adore la touche d'humour... qui a comme un fond de vérité à la fois sur la perception qu'ont les étrangers des Français et de l'accent so Frenchy. kip goyng boye :)
A chart showing when which rifle was in service with which age bracket would be quite useful. I know it's a lot of effort, but I feel like a few diagrams could go a long way in assisting with clarity.
It’s not loaded light. You’re not going to see pressure signs on the cartridge. The cartridge pressure is fine, it’s just too high for the rifle. The only “sign” your going to get is when the gun blows up, or the action fails.
My 1889 is quartersawn European walnut with the red patina you only get with fatty acids in real raw linseed oil. It appears the shellac may have been applied or reapplied later by the arsenal. I got it for 100+ dollars less than others that didn't look as good or as original as mine. I don't think mine has privitization or import marks (being as it's pre1899.) I'll have to have another look.
You mentioned the lebel, but what about the steyr 8mm? Same 8 round tube fed, bolt action design, same diameter bullet... Pretty much same action, same year, 1886, slightly different cartridge.
MrRedeyedJedi Because the Steyr Kropatschek, despite the 8mm round, was not designed as a smokeless rifle even if it smoothly transitioned into the smokeless era without any alterations once the Lebel was on the scene. The Steyr bolt still only locks with its single lug into the side of the receiver. The Lebel naturally shares the feeding system but has a bolt featuring modern symmetrical front locking lugs.
@@BlokeontheRange thanks for the replies. So the lebel was the first and the Portuguese copied it's design? I used to have the steyr, but not the lebel, I only noticed the similarities later on
MrRedeyedJedi It’s more complicated than that. The Kropatschek tube mag with lifter originated in the early 1870s (see our Früwirth vid) and Steyr produced the first mle1878 Kropatscheks for the French navy. The French army then very briefly adopted a near identical rifle as the mle1884 and subsequently the mle1885 featuring a two piece stock, the real precursor to the 1886 Lebel. The 1886 “Portuguese Kropatschek is pretty much the same rifle as the mle1878 but with a proprietary bolt. Incidentally Austria also very briefly used Kropatschek rifles, but in 11mm. The 8mm round actually comes from the Portuguese who developed the single shot Guedes rifle.
Bloke on the Range sir, my K-31 Is 1943 dated. don't think it will help you cuz I'm in South Carolina, USA. Have you gotten in touch with Frank's (RIP) wife? She might be able to help. (Chap said y'all knew him)
Hah, its because I have an 1889 (or 1889/96) in my possession that I can endure all this! Mine is one of the few things I got when my last grandparent died and I have no info on mine other than its missing parts, been sporterized and the bolt is jammed open... Oh and I think theres a piece missing from the mag?
Great videos - well done. Just curious to compare current U.K. prices to those in Switzerland. If I said an 1889 would currently be circa £400 - £495, a Cadet about £100 more than an 89 and an 1893 carbine about £900 - £950 how would those prices compare? Cheers
Wow! We really are being ****** in the U.K.! All of those are a lot less, perhaps (surprisingly) with the exception of the cadet for some reason which at least is in the same ball park.
Agree, accept it extends to FAC sec 1 too - I picked up a nice k31 for £400 and did well as they're now nudging £500. Still, it is what it is. They're still great rifles for the money - a newly built k31 to the same spec would be a £1300 rifle
GAH!! Click through for an episode.... you forward thinker, you. Great stuff, as always; a quick question for you, have you ever used Blender for video work?
It's his lighting. When a camera can't pick up enough light, image quality naturally suffers. Maybe the Bloke will invest in some studio lights with some of that sweet Patreon dough
Keep 'em coming Bloke! I love the "outdated stereotypes".
"complementary outdated stereotypes" C'est un problème qui est plus difficile à faire.
This is a fantastic series on Swiss rifles. You’ve accumulated a vast amount of knowledge and it’s very kind of you to put the effort into sharing it all with us -Thank you!
I liked this for that ending. Really nice response. These are your videos, they can have whatever you want in them, and that's why I enjoy them.
Just bought myself one of these. Looking forward to it!
Danke för die Serie. Sehr informativ.
Ds Edelwyss Hemli passt perfekt zum Thema 👍
Excellent Blog et très instructif. En tant que Français, j'adore la touche d'humour... qui a comme un fond de vérité à la fois sur la perception qu'ont les étrangers des Français et de l'accent so Frenchy. kip goyng boye :)
i am thoroughly enjoying all of your content. keep it up.
I found "They hit the brown note with the Lebel" to be a very fitting way to describe the introduction of the Lebel.
Not outside of the crap your pants sound.
No wonder people just call that rifle the Schmidt-Reuben, that is one heck of a long name.
Arie Heath Schmidt Rubin, at least call it the propper wrong.
i enjoyed , thanks for filming
A chart showing when which rifle was in service with which age bracket would be quite useful. I know it's a lot of effort, but I feel like a few diagrams could go a long way in assisting with clarity.
I fired ppu 7.5 swiss in mine, no pressure signs, wonder if its loaded light….
It’s not loaded light. You’re not going to see pressure signs on the cartridge. The cartridge pressure is fine, it’s just too high for the rifle. The only “sign” your going to get is when the gun blows up, or the action fails.
Mike, I used the ''Intermission'' to get a glass of wine and then you were done.
erg interesant ga deze zeker volgen. Ga je ook nog een serie doen over herladen van patronen voor de 1889
Bloke on the Range Praat je ook al Nederlands? You're not the usual firearms buff I suppose...some serious education is involved here!
Bloke on the Range Je Duitse en Franse uitspraak is erg goed; zeker voor een Engelsman. Goeie informatieve films trouwens!
Jean Claude Mick stole the show..!
I'm starting to think you like Swiss rifles or something, Bloke.
Well you're doing a good job with them! If you ever come to the States we need to team up for a video!
Bloke on the Range
I'm not sure that's true. Frank, Pierre and Peter have prety much explained everything in the greatest of detail!
Brisence can also be called velocity, with the higher the velocity, the more brisencent the propellent.
My 1889 is quartersawn European walnut with the red patina you only get with fatty acids in real raw linseed oil.
It appears the shellac may have been applied or reapplied later by the arsenal.
I got it for 100+ dollars less than others that didn't look as good or as original as mine.
I don't think mine has privitization or import marks (being as it's pre1899.) I'll have to have another look.
Reloading video please.
LOL @ Brown Note.
My mother grew up in Monaco and teaches French I can confirm this is 100% accurate
You mentioned the lebel, but what about the steyr 8mm? Same 8 round tube fed, bolt action design, same diameter bullet... Pretty much same action, same year, 1886, slightly different cartridge.
MrRedeyedJedi Because the Steyr Kropatschek, despite the 8mm round, was not designed as a smokeless rifle even if it smoothly transitioned into the smokeless era without any alterations once the Lebel was on the scene. The Steyr bolt still only locks with its single lug into the side of the receiver. The Lebel naturally shares the feeding system but has a bolt featuring modern symmetrical front locking lugs.
Plus the Lebel is basically a modified French Navy Kropatschek with locking lugs on a separate bolt head.
@@BlokeontheRange thanks for the replies. So the lebel was the first and the Portuguese copied it's design? I used to have the steyr, but not the lebel, I only noticed the similarities later on
MrRedeyedJedi It’s more complicated than that. The Kropatschek tube mag with lifter originated in the early 1870s (see our Früwirth vid) and Steyr produced the first mle1878 Kropatscheks for the French navy. The French army then very briefly adopted a near identical rifle as the mle1884 and subsequently the mle1885 featuring a two piece stock, the real precursor to the 1886 Lebel. The 1886 “Portuguese Kropatschek is pretty much the same rifle as the mle1878 but with a proprietary bolt. Incidentally Austria also very briefly used Kropatschek rifles, but in 11mm. The 8mm round actually comes from the Portuguese who developed the single shot Guedes rifle.
@@thebotrchap either way, both designs clearly bounced off of each other.
Ahh the first gp90 i only know the newer one
Yey, I contributed to a video. They called me mad when I collected number 26. What say thee now?
Bloke on the Range
sir, my K-31 Is 1943 dated. don't think it will help you cuz I'm in South Carolina, USA.
Have you gotten in touch with Frank's (RIP) wife? She might be able to help. (Chap said y'all knew him)
Bloke on the Range
I'm not either. I just know he was the man. from what I understand, his widow only really helps with "light" requests.
Hah, its because I have an 1889 (or 1889/96) in my possession that I can endure all this! Mine is one of the few things I got when my last grandparent died and I have no info on mine other than its missing parts, been sporterized and the bolt is jammed open... Oh and I think theres a piece missing from the mag?
Would the magazine catch piece be serialised to the rifle?
i don't think so
Great videos - well done. Just curious to compare current U.K. prices to those in Switzerland. If I said an 1889 would currently be circa £400 - £495, a Cadet about £100 more than an 89 and an 1893 carbine about £900 - £950 how would those prices compare? Cheers
Wow! We really are being ****** in the U.K.! All of those are a lot less, perhaps (surprisingly) with the exception of the cadet for some reason which at least is in the same ball park.
Agree, accept it extends to FAC sec 1 too - I picked up a nice k31 for £400 and did well as they're now nudging £500. Still, it is what it is. They're still great rifles for the money - a newly built k31 to the same spec would be a £1300 rifle
I'm Belgian and I don't feel attacked by the french cousin ;) Great Stuff ;)
GAH!! Click through for an episode.... you forward thinker, you.
Great stuff, as always; a quick question for you, have you ever used Blender for video work?
I laughed way more than is reasonable at that :P
for us OAPs in UK could you make the videos at listed 2 -3 hours long..
11:22 WALLACE AND GROMET
Nice intermission music
Do an episode on the swiss shirt you’re wearing!😉
Why wasn't it shortened to G89?
great video, and tell your cousin to stay true to his sterotype ;)
Just for your ability to get ö and ch right, i would give 2 additional tumbs up!
Bloke on the Range Äuä!
Oh you tease.
Video quality is quite poor? I'm watching in 1080p but it looks like 480p?
It's his lighting. When a camera can't pick up enough light, image quality naturally suffers. Maybe the Bloke will invest in some studio lights with some of that sweet Patreon dough
I got one.
Ugh not the french.