WYSR: The King Killer Chronicles
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- Опубликовано: 1 ноя 2019
- My thoughts on the fantasy epic by Patrick Rothfuss, The King Killer Chronicles and why you should read it.
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What books have you changed your mind on a bit as time has gone by?
All newer sci-fi. Grew up reading nothing but old Asimov and Doctor Who books so they were hard to get into when changing over into more character intensive stories. Now Peter f. Hamilton's Commonwealth series is my favourite sci-fi series of all time. Fantastic books.
Edit: obviously also was a little difficult to get into the bigger fantasy series, because I basically started with WoT and Malazan. Now they are some of my favourite fantasy series. Behind the First Law though.
Definitely books by Sarah J Maas. The more time passed the more I grown to... not like them as much as I used to. Now I'm struggling with finishing the last Throne of Glass book mostly for closure.
You're probably gonna hate me on this. But for me its the Foundation series.
(spoiler warning for the prince of thorns series)
The Princes of Thorns series, I liked iy because of the audiobook, but as the story went on, I started to dislike it. After the next book I started to hate the character. But I held hope, I thought that he would meet a girl who soften his rotten heart. Oh how wrong was I! I listen to last book just hoping, praying for a redemption arch, but none came. So I started liking and ending hating it.
Now, after typing this, let me take a hundred showers, to clean my mind and soul.
Daniel Greene Wheel of time.
On the next episode of "Fantasy news" : RUclipsr known for his controversial opinion on the "Kingkiller Chronicles" actually recommends the books.
Why you should read: the series is pretty good
Why you shouldn't read: next book probably won't come out within the next century
I'm picking up unusual levels of sarcasm in this sector, Captain
@@tomboyle4312 lmao
@@gamesarefunyea Ha! Good one man! I should write that one down!
gamesarefunyea it’s was also scheduled to release in 2018... sooo
@@gamesarefunyea no it isn't if you're referring to the date on Amazon that's just a placeholder
Some of my favorite Fantasy Storytelling ever is when Rothfuss is telling a ‘legend’ or ‘folktale’ within the world. Myr Tariniel, the Luckless Boy, the Cthaeh, every single tale is dripping with this ethereal, unreal energy that I find beyond compelling.
The Ctaeh is a cool concept
The story where the boys butt falls off is my favorite
I just wish there was more lore on the Chandrian. Such an awesome concept imo. Leave me thirsting for more
@@CheatcodeGlitch I've does re reading that part the last 5 times I've reread that book. ❤️
"Planned as a trilogy"...
Let's remember that WoT was supposed to be six books. No way this ends in 3.
Maybe he wants to stick to a trilogy and the doors of stone is 5k pages. Maybe that's the reason for it taking a decade hehe
I think it is gonna be a trilogy.. and a lot of the questions we have.. well the big ones at least, will be answered. But the other not so pertinent and world stuff will be left unanswered... until supplementary books come out :D
Im sure that The Wise Mans Fear would've been better if it was split into at least 2 books. I still love the book, just wish he would've taken more time to go in depth into the arcs.
Kingkiller Chronicle will be a trilogy but Roofhus has hinted that it is a prologue so what'll probably happen is that book 3 will finish Kvothe's story but the main conflict won't be resolved and instead it will be dealt with in the other books if they ever get written
@@captainwilhelm9657 i suspect he is writing drafts for further books and outlining them, planning them, creating the world/characters, etc. But he is also polishing book 3 at the same time so that it will all tie together well. That is what I think, but I could be wrong of course.
Who are you and what have you done with Daniel Greene?
Well, if he starts praising Terry Goodkind's work, we can certainly get worried...
@@GabrielRodriguesYT xD haha rawr
@@GabrielRodriguesYT ooohhh I so want to see this video. Maybe next april
@@lukeblake91 Me too
After reading the second book...there's NO WAY it's gonna be a trilogy unless it's like 2000 pages or something.
He said the third book will be shorter then the second. though he also said it won't be the last book in that world, so it might still not be the end of the story
@@za012345678998765432 he also said he's written 3-400k words which is more than wise mans fear
Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a man in the process of changing. -Brandon Sanderson, Oathbringer
That's perfect
And people say fantasy can’t be deep. Psh
Words never were said that ring so true
I guess the Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez is a Sanderson fan.
The music not the sex is what allowed him to escape, she let him go so that he could finish a song about her.
I wonder if the dude actually read the book at this point
He didn't win over Felurian by sex, even he says that in the book, he wins her over cuz of the song and his power over the wind. He makes a song about her but doesn't finish it and says if she doesn't free him the song won't spread over the world and no one will know of Felurian. After he makes that deal with her, she starts teaching him about sex and stuff about it.
Yes.
Honestly your relationship with KKC is one of the greater reasons I have incredible respect for you as a reviewer. Nothing better highlights your ability to separate your subjective and objective criticisms of a book than your videos with this series. Combined with the fact that it's a great example of your growth as a reviewer, with your evolving opinion on the series as you grow and come across more and more content.
I am a massive KKC fan and still agree with a heavy majority of what you had to say about the series, and I really want to thank you for not letting a distaste for the series to make you not recommend it to others who might very much enjoy it.
John Todd thanks man!
I think the next great epic fantasy should be about Daniel's (Mr. Greene's? Dan's? DannyBoy's!?) relationship with this book, and it culminating at the end with him receiving a signed copy of the third book and ultimately reading and reviewing it.
But I agree with you John, big fan of the KKC and also agree with most of what Daniel (I'm sticking with Daniel) has to say. I love this series a lot, even though I don't believe Kvothe to be the best guy out there... I mean the guy is a bit of a tool at times. I both appreciate and respect Danie's thoughts and the evolution of how he's been able to express and review this series.
Keep up the great work.
John Todd yes it is one of the reasons I feel I can always trust Dan’s opinion, I might not always agree with them, but I can always respect his thoughts.
I honestly never thought Kvothe was unreliable to the point that he's lying, he's just biased. Of course his motivations are "pure" in his own mind. That being said, he isn't really a nice guy, I've always thought he was kind of an arrogant, self centered, thought he was smarter than he really was kind of guy. He reminds me of people I've met with genius level IQs who can't seem to figure out basic skills that would let them keep a job or relationship healthy.
He does carry that weight, but he would never had been that way if his family wasn’t butchered, didn’t get trapped in Tarbean that taught him the cruelty of the status quo system, facing the worse of the poor and the rich indigenous, without a care of normal civility. The majority are cruel and full of disdain, always judging a book by its cover. Cynicism, self-righteous anger, and pessimism are born from those who are something else, but have been treated unjustly by simple misunderstanding. Kvothe faced that for three hard years, and then one time losing his patronage simply because of his Edema Ruh background. And growing through child to adolescent, it is simple conditioning that made into what he is. In terms of nature, his honesty was at least intact. He is of the Edema Ruh, after all; storytelling is in his blood. He would bend the truth, but he would never break it, because that of itself is lying. Bending the truth is like adding legends to the context. That’s what storyteller does. 100% truth would make it boring. So yes, he can be a real asshole at times, doing things that makes us want to shout at the book, at him, to stop. That’s just what life taught him after his tragedy. But I don’t believe he’s lying or being biased, at least not completely. I think there are some, and some of them are used for dramatic flare for his biography.
Also, we are witnessing a tragic story here. It isn’t your typical hero’s journey, the story is set up for a bad end for Kvothe with everything that’s been hinted in each book. And by his current presentation, he seems to be wrapped in guilt. People who usually retold their story in this state would portray themselves in bad light, in their lowest self-esteem. After all, that was his silence. The heavy weight of guilt pressuring down on his existence. The kind of silence that silents all other silences. It was “the patient, cut-flower sound of a man who is waiting to die”. So at the very least, this could be looked as the one thing that’s making Kvothe biased in his narration, which is self-damnation.
I think you nailed it, heatwave. 100% agree. Kvothe's flaws are so rooted in his tragedy. They come about because of his horrific trauma as a child and will ultimately lead to...well, whatever brought him to be his current, self loathing, inn keeping self. I love him as a character because of it. He's an arrogant jerk sometimes, that's what makes him feel real to me.
I agree- he is VERY talented so a lot of his issues don’t stem from being inadequate, they stem from his pride and hot headed temper which as a reader I thought was super interesting because many very talented people are like this and end up getting in their own way
@@atlasprime6193 i. LOVE. YOU.
Everything you said beyond perfect
@@megteg He is also very traumatised as well. People need to understand how such deep trauma both shapes and cripple you as you navigate the world around you. There is no such thing as therapy in that age and world so Kvothe's worst traits being amplified by his trauma is inevitable and maybe we shouldn't be so quick to condemn him. Anyone who has suffered as he has would probably react in similar ways, if not worse.
I have "accidentally" stayed up past midnight reading both books because I was so engaged and could not put them down
Me 100%
I wish I could read that fast. Haha took me 2 hours to read 57 pages in a very engaging page turning Andy Weir book.
How tf do you read that fast
@@RobinsMusic ha, multiple midnights
@@erikpip3024 ooh okay, that makes me feel a little better about myself haha
The countless webs of plots in his books was like a dopaminergic surge to my plot-driven brain.
Also, regarding Pat's female characters, if you like Auri, you can read her Novella. He really painted a *real* person with Auri, the psychology behind her character. And then, he once mentioned that he had a project about a middle-aged mother going on an adventure in the same world, but his publishers told him to focus on the third book.
I loved Auri, I cried when she comforted Kvothe after the plum incident
I love the king killer chronicles so much that i almost wish i never read it because the anticipation for the third book is killing me
I think the criticism of Kvothe escaping Felurian as "so good at sex the first time a sex demon lets you go" is focused on a misinterpretation of what that scenario actually is. Kvothe is unskilled but through weeks (or years? It's implied Kvothe spent a LOT more time in there than he expected) he eventually learns about the sensual arts from Felurian. But this isn't why she let him go. She was perfectly happy to keep him and wear him out until he died like all the others. Kvothe had to trick her into letting him go so he could write a properly descriptive poem about her. It's important characterization that is consistent with Kvothe's well-intended but selfish actions to escape danger. It's an easy criticism to fall into at a surface level look but I think it's more nuanced than you say it is. I agree with the problematic female characterization and would love to see Rothfuss tackle more projects to properly flesh out any female characters, Kingkiller or not, and I'd like to thank you for making this third "review" of the books to show how some of your opinions have evolved. Keep being awesome
This. Someone finally put into words the frustration I felt whenever I hear the "Best At Sex" argument.
Very much this. I love this channel, but I think sometimes Daniel misses some nuance because he dislikes things at the surface level. And I am not trying to be harshly critical here. But there have been a few times in his reviews where I listen to what he is saying and think "Bro...how did you miss the point that badly?" I definitely listen to his reviews prior to picking up new fantasy books, because I always know after listening whether or not a book is worth picking up. But I think he is wrong about TKC. And this is a great example of why. Thank you for taking the time to write this down.
I think you've hit the nail on the head, here. Is our fiery boy a little too good at a little too much? Probably, but I also expect some explanation in book three. I also think that Rothfuss shows he can write women well by writing pieces of each of his women well (sorry if I misspell any names, I've almost exclusively listened to the audiobook): Devvy is written exceptionally overall I think, and Kvothe sort of excludes her from his usual teenage boy view of women most times because of what she represents in his life (even when she flirts with him pretty brazenly), but because she is mostly present as a business entity we don't see into her as deeply as some others; Fella and Mola are both given better actual characterization than most women in any book were forty years ago, and better than most women in non-lit media today, though they are admittedly a bit lacking by contemporary standards in the medium, which simply fits the lens of the story well; the women of the Adem (with one obvious exception) are well-realized as interpretations of a very alien culture, and examples of very different people that might come from such an upbringing, but they do feel at times to be little more than that, though again, it seems to fit the lens of the story quite well that those traits are what Kote stresses in his storytelling; Meluin Lackless feels a bit archetypal as... Well, the entitled rich woman of this era, but still has a distinctly recognizable voice as an individual, something I also see in Hespa (though her archetypal behaviour is obviously a bit different as a mercenary); Honestly I really love Denna's writing, every bit of it - though Kvothe has an unhealthy relationship with her and he clearly views her in a way that is bad for them both, but just SO FRUSTRATINGLY CLOSE to being deeply wholesome and healthy (this is something that Kote is still a bit blind to, I think, which is foreshadowed by his argument with Bast over her perceived perfection) - but she is written with clear ambitions, trauma, and personality that Kvothe is simply blinded to because he idolizes her so (though it isn't terribly difficult to pick up on these things being subtly incorporated even before the big reveal in book two when Kvothe eavesdrops on her), though I can still understand why many people dislike her as a character I maintain that she is well-written, just not especially well-viewed by the POV character; and obviously, Auri is perfect in every way, and I will accept no argument on that point (though if you see her as an example of writing a child or something of the sort, more than writing a woman, I can certainly understand not counting her toward this criticism for that reason)
Yes I agree- I think sometimes people don’t look into the details enough to understand the “realities” of the book. Well said tho
@@DeltaSpartanLord I think the "too good and too much" is even a bit of an oversight, as the whole point of Kvothe from the beginning was that he was an EXCEPTIONAL learner. He could pick things up amazingly quick, I find people dont have the same contempt for him completing his training with the Adem but the same principle applies, he learns amazingly fast. THAT is his "super power" or shtick. It would make sense that he became a very capable sexual being after spending time with Felurian, the literal sex demon who has lived for centuries.
Up next: WYSR: Wizards First Rule!
😂😂😂😂
That'll be the day....and yet
I can imagine it being an April fool’s
Perhaps a video titled:
Jerry Godkind - 10 reasons why you should read Wizards First Rule...
Yes please. 😂
I just started my 7th reread of the books. Still seeing clues I haven't found before.
I've lost count of my rereads lol. Sometimes I just start the audiobook in the car and let it play. Then I forget where I left off and start again. I now have a hard time finding books because Patrick rothfuss set the bar so high.
SPOILERS
Well the one thing that sold book 2 for me A LOT is the sheer incredible amount of amazing world building. Most of the big world building we know about KKC is from the second book in fact. Im a huge sucker for that and as youve said Pat is the best here, only Eichiro Oda(people call him Goda for a reason) surpassing him of course.
Secondly, I love the Ademre culture. Pat gets to show of his experience with different cultures and languages. The fact that singing is the most intimate thing to the Adem people is fascinating. They also know the real original names of the seven, which again ties into the world building aspect I love.
The maer stuff was fun and interesting, though I must admit Andross Guile and Kip surpass that a bit.
I LOVED the scene where Kvothe murders the fake Edema Ruh, because of how brutal and atmospheric the scene was, him not having an easy time killing them but the fact he chased them one by one down killing them slowly... jesus.
Anyhow, love the second book regardless.
Lot of respect for analysis/opinions like these. And respect admiration for your channel and content in general! I’ve learned more about this genre thanks to your work man, thank you
I have an issue with everyone that says that Kvothe being so amazing with Felurian is why she let him go. It's not. It's the fact that he spoke her True Name. Felurian was terrified that Kvothe would kill her. She hadn't someone that could do that.
Plus she wanted to be told she was the best compared to all women so he manipulated her by saying he was a virgin so she would send him off to prove herself right
The Kingkiller Chronicles was the responsible for me being a huge fan of fantasy nowadays. I read The Name of The Wind and A Wise Man's Fear every year
Your reading and summory of the Felurian encounter, and the motivations and power dynamics of that interaction, is simply not what is described in the book, reliable narrator or not. If you're ever inclined, maybe give that section a re-read some time, and give it the benefit of the doubt that what you may have interpreted the first time through is not actually what's happening between these two characters.
Things to look for if you do:
-Kvothe is trained, not the natural you describe.
-Her interest in him is not about the sex, it's about loneliness, intrigue, power, and ultimately, ego.
Well said
I like watching ur videos. Always be honest with ur reviews. Because that’s why I luv watching ur channel. Happy reading to u!!
Very modest review! I appreciate your humbleness in this video Daniel! Piece!
Thanks for the video Daniel! I freakin' looove it, and highly look forward to next book(s). ^_^
The problems that you state can be overcome in one "simple" step... add an extra book to the series. It has been my belief ever since I finished the second book that there's more left to be said than what can be covered in one (normal sized) book. The fact that he's taking his time in writing could mean that he's realized this, and will deliver all we've dreamed of.
This is great Dan, you are really growing as a reviewer and critic. Been here since 10k subs and it’s awesome to see, keep it up. I love readers that can purely recognize that they don’t love a series but still recommend it because they acknowledge certain aspects appeal to different ppl. In this case, I also am not a superfan of KKC but his prose is INSANELY well done.
Nani! Great video as always Sir. Thanks for another look at one of my favs.
Thank you for recommending this story to others who didn’t know about this series. Kvothe’s story deserves to be heard. And the writing is good too. To me, if I ever had to sum up Patrick’s writing skill in this series, it would be this:
This is the man who let’s you see the sound of music.
To hear and know the human struggle.
To feel an untouchable world through papers.
To taste a familiar story, ever so new.
This...is the man who let’s you see the sound of silence.
The last sentence is important because it basically got him the right publishing company to make his book the New York #1 Best Seller. It was from the prologue. Just reading that one page hooked the company to beg Pat to take them as their publisher. Now that’s power in storytelling.
My friend recommended the name of the wind to me. I read it. It was one of the worst stories of I have ever read and I'm reading fiction for 20+ years. So no, I'm just sad that this video may encourage some one to read this book and waste his/her precious time.
@@cthulhusbodypillow Well you can waste your time if you want. I have the right to warn people to don't waste theirs.
@@mralireza931 incredibly bad take
Im working my way through lord of the rings because almost all authors you have interviewed site it as influence. Thank you for influencing my reading.
The Name of the Wind is my favorite book I have ever read! Huge, huge fan of Rothfuss' writing. I also thoroughly enjoyed Wise Man's Fear, but will keep an eye out for the issues you mentioned when I reread it.
Planning to dive into this once the third/final book comes out. I just can't do it until then though lol. He does sound optimistic that it will be in the near future though per recent FAQ's. Great review and perspective as always!
You convinced me to pick it up! Thanks Daniel!
Yes, yes, Daniel. I agree so much. Patrick's writing style and his world-building is amazing. However, I could not make it through the second book (think I got close to half-way) because I really started to feel like so much was happening but at the same time nothing was progressing. I also agree with you that there is little chance at any kind of satisfying ending with a reasonable amount of questions answered and plot threads woven in. I also feel like the bleakness is a little unrelenting for me. That is just a personal preference.
Thoughts on The Slow Regard of Silent Things? It follows Auri (speaking of potentially unreliable narrators - or maybe she’s the most reliable narrator) and might give a little more insight into Rothfuss’ authorial perspective on women. It’s also a rather unusually written story, and I really enjoyed it.
Just started name of the wind. Hope I enjoy,cheers again for the recommendation
I honestly think Denna is a perfect fucking character. He gives very little about it in the book, but it's clear she had a hard life and she uses her beauty as a both a shield and a mask. She doesn't trust anyone, even Kvothe she is still trying.
Loving you being full time. Sincerely enjoy your content & style :)
Keep it coming!
For the audio book listeners: The narrator of this one is FLAWLESS. (or as close as I've ever heard.)
Truly satisfying
I agree. As an audiobook listener I get into a book more when the narrator catches my attention and is able to defune each character through his narration.
There are two versions. Are you talking about the British or American narrator?
@@Xibito22 As a Norwegian I have to ask: What the hell is wrong with you guys? Why do you record Audio Books in both English and American? You did the same with Harry Potter. Is this normal? And for that matter, why don't you also record it in all the various local accents and dialects? Anyways, I'm listening to Nick Podehl's narration, and I'm very impressed.
Wait... Are the text versions released in both English and American as well?
@@nuanceblacksywin4868 well... yeah. British and American spelling differ (colour vs color) and the British use ‘ ‘ for dialogue instead of “ “ as we do in North America. That and the way the publishing industry is set up means different distributors/licence holders depending on location sold.
I read both books, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Certainly, the 'is he lieing / exaggerating'theme' in the narration is unique. I certainly wouldn't say it was a top 10 but worth a read and I'm interested to see how he resolves the Kvoth character in the final book. As to which, any inside info on when that book is due to arrive?
Your general disregard of KKC has been one of my biggest disagreement with your outlook on fantasy. I did handle it well and I am glad to brought up the good points of this series. I truly believe your review has dissuaded readers of an enjoyable book.
Those I were supposed to be you. :(
For the first book the name of the wind can someone please tell me the difference between the 10th anniversary deluxe edition and the original 2007 version, and which version do you prefer or suggest I read? Thank you :)
Great review, Thankyou!
I agree on the second book.. i loved about 1/3d of it. Though, I've written off the series but will be happy if another book ever comes out.
Okay! Will put it on my tbr for December. Uni has me swamped
Daniel, you should check out “A Land Fit For Heroes” by Richard K Morgan. Definitely a different sort of fantasy with some sci fi elements mixed in. A good deal of graphic sex and violence and from the guy who wrote altered carbon. Never got a lot of attention but it’s a bit like joe Abercrombie’s books imo since it’s grimdark.
First book pulls you in, second book raises a lot of serious questions the third book needs to account for. Totally agreed there. I also get the feeling that it's gonna need more than one book to finish.
I was thinking of picking this up as my bedtime book from the library even though you’ve been hard on it but I’ve heard positivity from elsewhere but ended up grabbing 1Q84 by Haruki Murakami so maybe after that I’ll start this.
What’s your thoughts on “the slow regard of silent things” by pat rothfuss
I read both of the kingkiller chronicle books this year, and then I got into Brandon Sanderson, and a little bit of brent weeks. All of that this year, now I'm on the wheel that is The Wheel Of Time.
Have you read Slow Regard for Silent Things?
I’m curious what you think about his portrayal of Auri
I have recently put this book down about halfway through because i was more bored than i have been in years with a work of fiction, then moved on to read The Way of Kings and i'm reading 100 pages every day. I'll still come back and finish The Name of the Wind at some point tho.
I think it's worth reading even if the last book doesn't come out. But it must be read as an audiobook.
Let's just say something... The second book is worth reading just to read the dialoges with Elodin. They are just EXELENT
I don't see how 5:42 is the case here. It might be that I'm missing something, but as I understant it Felurian didn't let Kvothe go because he was good at sex. She let him go because he tricked her by telling her that because he was a virgin, he didn't having any past experiences to compare her skills to and that he needs to get together with mortal women in order to fully appreciate her prowess. And he wasn't cursed, Flurian just made him promise that he would come back.
Shaed cloak yeah that’s basically how it went down
I don't think you understood the Felurian section. She didn't let him go because he was good at sex. She let him go because he was going to spread a song about her, thus sending her new victims and reinvigorating her legend. I also enjoyed books one and two equally. Kvothe's time in Ademre and the sword tree related scenes in book two were incredible.
I love the emotional journey of the Kingkiller chronicles. Let's just hope book 3 gets released before 2029
Hi there from 2049... im still waiting on book 3 and my grandkids are laying blankets on me while I rock in my grandfather chair. haha
@@dragonzonezone6573 one day someone is going to kidnap the guy and force him to finish the book ... wait ... that's a Stephen King plot
you're an excellent reviewer, no doubt about it!
2:53 I once saw someone on reddit saying "Rothfuss doesn't have a poetic bone in his body."
Love your videos
Patrick Rothfus, like so many greats, is just like Shaq O'Neal. Shaq couldn't hit free throws. He couldn't shoot at all really. He wasn't really well-rounded in any way. But his greatness at what he did well was so overpoweringly dominant that you could not and cannot doubt that he's one of the best basketball players that has ever lived. There are lots of other basketball players and authors that are consistently pretty good at everything. And they're not noteworthy.
Your favourite author Robert Jordan is another example. Flaws galore running through the entire series. Pacing flaws, characterisation flaws, and sloppy stereotypes left right and centre. But his legacy will resonate with fantasy lovers for generations because he was truly exceptional at what he did well. He created epic moments and epic characters in a truly staggeringly rich world. We love him for it.
I absolutely agree that the third book will need to be very concise and plot driven. We even discussed it with a friend and thought that either the book will be enormous, or it will be rushing from one plot point to the next. Still if Rothfuss manages to pull it off it will be amazing.
I seriously thought this would be a "Why You SHOULDN'T Read" entry. Lol!
The name of the wind may just be the best book in fantasy. I can’t name a single book that I like more.
There have been a few small nuggets from Rothfuss that the Kingkiller Chronicles is only the first arc in a larger story. I'm not sure if this is true, but there have been little things from interviews from him. It's not easy to find as to why would he talk about what is next when he hasn't finished book 3. It will be interesting if this is only part of a larger story.
The main criticism of these books is the Denna relationship and while it can be extremely frustrating sometimes to the reader, you also have to realize that you’re identifying with Kvothe’s frustration as well and that’s kind of the point
Mad respect man. Good WYSR
In terms of accurate synopsis of the character of kvothe "not nice" and "a tool" is for one, very funny and for another very much true
Hey, can you please do a book recommendation for books like name of the wind?
How many total books r there in the kingkiller chronicles as of by 2021!!
Sm say the door of stone is there and sm say it's not released yet... And sm say slow regard of silent things has released and sm say it's not a part till now.. IDK WAT TO DO
King killer is the only reason I found this channel lmao do more
I don't understand why people think that not a lot happens in WMF. The story is clearly about how Qvothe because the legend he's known as in the frame story. And how/why he killed a king. Qvothe manages to get himself into trouble quite quickly so I can't imagine you'd need a lot of time to tell the last part. So really what we're learning about his how he gained the skills/connections to reach that final point. And in WMF he gains connections in the Maer's court. We learn that he's likely Meluans Nephew (theory). He makes connections to the fey realm, learns how to return there AND how fey creatures pass into this realm. He learns the Name Of the Wind and gets closer to Cinder. And he learns how to fight in Adem and learns more about the Chandrian.
I think that's quite a lot to happen in one book. I'm not sure what more people where expecting out of it. Middle books rarely hold more answers than questions.
Notably, and I think this is more what people mean, like 90% of that happens in the last 1/3 or so of the book.
I personally enjoyed the second book even more. Although his time with Felurian gave me a bit of anxiety and I didn't enjoy it so much. I also have doubts that everything can be wrapped up in one more book given that his story when he's the innkeeper doesn't seem to be the end for him. But I would recommend everyone read both, I feel it keeps getting better.
Can anyone link to his previous videos on Name of the Wind and Wise Man's Fear?
Now I'm waiting for WYSR: Sword of Truth ;)
after the first book, I didn't understand why you were so hard on it. After the second, well let's just say I won't be reading the third unless it gets some incredible reviews.
The second book just felt like a checklist, Kvoth has to be the greatest lover so he got kidnaped by a nympho demon. He has to be the greatest fighter so he got trained by some warrior cult that doesn't understand where babies come from. We must know how cool he is so he kills a dragon and a band of bandits, saves all the girls and seduces the rest.
it has so much potential.
Wasn't the point of all this that none of the events took place in the way they were purported to be? My biggest issue with it all is that Kvothe was essentially raped by an alien and it's sort of not... A big deal?
@@ApathyParabellum havent you heard? Its not rape if they're hot..
(Sarcasm)
My biggest problem is the "sex has nothing to do with babies" cult. Dumbest culture in all of fantasy.
Haha I just watched the video that you categorise all fantasy series and you really didnt like the kkc there(I found this channel yesterday). And I was really surprised by this 😂 I'm happy you changed your mind, it's one of my favorites.
I agree with you on the reasons why we should read the Kingkiller Chronicle ❤️
Daniel I've just noticed that you haven't really said anything about the magic system. what do you think about sympathy?
I heard that the king killer chronicles was originally meant to be a prequel designed to open up the general universe which would mean the 3rd book would not wrap things up but leave alot of things open for later books. Which might be why he is having so much trouble finishing it. It would be hard to land a satisfactory ending especially since it is unlikely he will be able to finish many mire series in that universe.
It’s interesting that you would praise and recommend the first book of a planned trilogy and then say a person might just want to stop there. I have steered clear of these books because I haven’t wanted to start a series that shows no clear signs of progress towards its conclusion. I will give it another look.
So I completely agree with the praise and criticism you've given here.
I like to read books with the mindset of "This author knows what they're doing and this is what they want to communicate" and find that I enjoy books far more that way.
That being said, I absolutely love this series. Rothfuss makes it so easy to read with this assumption because of how he meticulously crafts every sentence.
There is always another secret. Always another nugget of information, a hint, a clue. Hell I think I have about 30% of the books highlighted on my kindle with hundreds of notes made.
I set aside my feelings on those things that are slightly jarring, i.e. sex demon etc. in favor of the assumption that this is something intended by Pat, because I don't think it's just an assumption.
As for the unreliable narrator theory, I'm torn. I've read both books around 50 times each and go back and forth on this. It's very possible that he is an unreliable narrator (examples: Bast mentioning that all the women in his story are beautiful, that Denna had a slightly crooked nose, etc.) and that he is telling the complete truth (seems like Kvothe gets truly angry when it was suggested that he was lying or exaggerating things to make himself look better as this telling is supposed to be, as he puts the, the true story with all the embarrassing details intact) and I can't really say for sure which side I'll take at any given time.
But what thats done for me is given me a new perspective the read the books from. During one reread I'll go in with the assumptions that everything is truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, in another read I'll assume that he is exxagerating or lying about many things, and every level in between.
Tldr: The books are excellent. I believe that everything is masterfully crafted by Rothfuss to elicit the plethora of reactions we have, good and bad, for a purpose. I will withhold further judgement until Doors of Stone is (finally) released and I can see how everything is wrapped up.
I did kinda see this video coming because daniel needed to make clear his feelings about patrick rothfuss XD
It's a shame
Your criticisms of the KC are totally valid, and I think that many people who love these books share them to some extent. Every book/series has it's pros and cons, and whether you think these particular books are 'good' or not really comes down to what you value in a series, and what kinds of flaws you are prepared to overlook.
I personally really like the 'unreliable narrator' aspect of the KC. I feel like it helps me engage with the story more since I'm forced to be skeptical of everything Kvothe tell us, as opposed to just accepting it as truth. It's cool being able to have my own unique interpretation of the story, and to then compare it with the interpretation of other readers. Like you I'm a bit worried that we won't get a satisfying ending but I have faith in Patrick Rothfuss to pull it off :D
Omg this suprised me so much but YESS!!
I've always seen Kvothe as a classical greek tragic hero- he's incredibly competent in many areas, but his flaws (really, one flaw, which all others sprout from- his pride) are what lead to his eventual fall from grace.
I definitely agree that it's going to be a nightmare to neatly and concisely wrap up this story in a third book. I'd much rather he just extend the series to however many books he might need and get it done.
The last couple books of wheel of time were just a marathon on loose ends being tied up and that series was supposed to be shorter as well.
absolutely agree with a lot of points here, especially that the ending will be controversial - I have no doubt it'll be well done, but I think at this point there are so many fan theories etc. that no matter, people will end up disappointed that a certain theory wasn't touched on, resolved, etc.
On an another note, I feel like Kvothe and Denna's relationship isn't supposed to portrayed as any type of healthy relationship and I think we're gonna see some of the play out in the next book (hopefully!)
*Surprised Pikachu Face*
This book got me into reading again ;)
Same here! I hadn't read a book with such enthusiasm since I was a teen, these books were so compelling and I couldn't bring myself to put them down, I giggled, weeped and frowned, it was such an amazing experience and I am now hungry for more reading!!
I'm a fan, but also skeptical of the upcoming 3rd book. In wondering if things would have been different if Rothfuss didn't limit himself to three books for a trilogy, but instead let go beyond four, five, six books in order to tell the full story and remain consistent. My theory is that we'd already have a book three out and possibly more if that was the case. I think Rothfuss is finding difficult to end everything with just one last book, thus the decade long delay... I could be wrong, but that's my take on it
I wish I saw a RUclips video of the cliffnotes rather than the full audiobook.
Agreed, the writing style is phenomenal, I read it a decade ago and it's taken me a long time to accept it's flawed.
But I still love it, and that's ok
Read the name of the wind and can't decide whether I like it or not overall, Maybe a re-read will help.
So I dunno where I saw it but I heard somewhere that this trilogy is supposed to be setup for a much larger thing so, I think you're right to say that the ending might not be the ending everyone wants. I get the feeling that it's just gonna wrap up a lot but leave most everything somewhere nearby on the floor to pick up and properly wrap later and I think a lot of people are gonna hate that
"Thats... such a punishment... Oh man!"
I lost my shit
If you love unfinished stories, being able to hold a favorite character in your imagination endlessly, any final tragedy or resolution held in permanent abeyance, you should read these books. Without spoilers, the last page of Wise Man's Fear makes the barest hint at Kvothe's arc bending back toward progress (as opposed to stagnation) and action (as opposed to stasis). One may conceive of that tiny upward inflection as the end of a ski jump, from which your imagination can take flight.
If you have old-fashioned notions of narrative, in which the protagonist "should" come to some definite character change in the "drama" of the story, usually near the "end," then these books may not be for you. Not only has the author expressly denied any obligation or duty to produce the third book on any schedule whatsoever, he has also described the entire 3-volume work as a prologue. In light of both of these authorial choices, one must concede that Doors of Stone may never arrive, and if it does, it will likely be unsatisfying in terms of traditional narrative expectations.
In summary, Wiseman's Fear is that I may die before the next book is published. I'm 46.
(see what I did there?)
If Kingkiller was a Manga, Patricks writing style would ve the artstyle of Vagabond by Takehike Inoue.
Isn't the whole point of the Frame Story to show that Kvothe doesn't have a happy ending? he says that his story is a tragedy, and he is only around 25. The chronicle is about his fall from who he was to who he is now.
Although this would mean that the 3rd book has to go over the actual king killing, him wrestling an angel and a demon, him leaving the University, showing his journey from 17 to 25, meeting Bast, resolving his issues with Denna and the Chandrian, lose his music and his magic, become Kote, and resolve the Frame Story.
Sigh. We are never getting the Doors of Stone, are we?
Daniel are you feeling okay today?
I agree that his relationship with Denna is weird, but I think we’re meant to think that. Kvothe is not very good with those kinds of relationships and he’s very worried about messing it up. That, and the fact that Denna is so deliberately mysterious leads him to become a little obsessed with her in a way that leads to an unhealthy relationship. Because we don’t have the end of the story yet it’s difficult to make a conclusive judgement of this aspect of the story because it could go either way (disastrously or very successfully for Kvothe). Anyone feel similarly?
Ben Stannard yeah I think a lot of people tend to hate Denna and forget to see her as a person with her own motivations. When you view her in that light, rather than just the object of Kvothe’s longing, her actions make more sense. She’s a young woman, estranged from her family and struggling to make it on her own in the world as a courtesan. What can a too- young university student offer her, even if she does love him? Nothing but complications.