The REAL Reason Evinrude Outboards Stopped Production
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Evinrude has been around since 1907, founded in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Mercury Marine, its closest competitor, is located not far from Milwaukee in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. Evinrude started losing ground to Mercury and also Yamaha by falling behind in the power race. It also kept its two-stroke engines that required owners to mix oil with gasoline. The rest of the industry dropped that type of engine years ago.
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This video should be titled: My opinion on why Evinrude outboards stopped production.
No shit
yep. its an arseholes view.... should be called my boring voice and opinion on something i know nothing about.
Or maybe...the videos I make after smoking a big fat blunt...but that's just my speculation.
@@philldownes8685 < The truth hurt your little feelings? Evinrude is toast!
@@melrose9252 you’re a boob! They were beasts. They will be back
"The real reason..."
Proceeds to give opinion.
“LOL”
Welcome to 97% of RUclips!
“ The real reason “ 😂
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Unbelievable, not a single fact to base the video on. Clearly there is lack of knowledge that BRP is Bombardier a company so big and so diversified in the recreational word and Jet building that if they wanted to be king in the outboard motor world they could.
If BRP have discontinued Evenrude it is because they wanted to not had too, certainly not because of Covid or any other had to reason.
“Using COVID-19 as an excuse for poor business decisions”
* laughing in US Postal Service
They lost a lot of market share when Yamaha and Honda came on the scene then they released a couple BAD motors Bankrupt and then they ignored the move towards 4 strokes and lost a ton of people again. They didn't make tons of deals with boat builders like Mercury did and that also hurt them.
They didn't ignore the move to 4 strokes, Suzuki and Evinrude we're building 4 strokes together and when Suzuki left part of the deal was that they took the 4 stoke technologies with them. 2 strokes are a superior design anyway. Big oil companies and the manufacturers can make much more money off a 4stoke than they can a 2 stroke.... That's why everything has moved to 4 stroke.
@@ghmsadam They waited until 2004 to make the deal with Suzuki by that time they had already lost market share to Yamaha and others, in the 90's their motors looked dated, almost unchanged for decades. People switched brands in the 90's because of those dated designs. They gave 7 years of 4 stroke sales from 1998 to 2004 to Honda, Yamaha, Merc etc.. When 4 stroke sales were hot.
It was only a matter of time. The VRO and Fitch nearly put them out of business. When the etech first came out they spent more time in the shop than on the water. All companies have had problems but not to the extent that evinrude has. I've owned a few of their smaller motors and they were great but they can't compete with yamaha, mercury and suzuki
Bingo!
MA2A. Make America 2-Stroke Again
I love the E Tec 😫
Why Evinrude Failed: An autopsy of NMMA statistics: high HP (>200hp) outboard sales +80% since 2008. Outboards >300hp sales +18% from 2018 to 2019 alone. This is the only double digit growth segment of the outboard motor market for the past 20 years and Evinrude never got more than 11 percent of the market share. In the US, large pontoons and center consoles average HP increased 40% since 2008. In the coastal marine markets the BIG outboard CC completely took over the inboard market. Think BIG twins, triples, and quads. 2 strokes were favored in developing Countries like China and Brazil. 4 strokes were favored in developed Countries like Austr, New Zealand, the EU, Canada, and the US. In 2018, Mercury Marine contributed $2.61 Billion in revenues to Brunswick and was their biggest earner by far.
i am a evinrude tech and the downfall of the evinrude was the g2 dps system and the warranty claims.
Going to miss you Evinrude it's been fun!!
I have a Mercury now and it runs nice but I’ve always had Johnson outboard the last 25 years or more and I miss them.
Im from Quebec and i was proud that BRP bought out OMC... now I see that it was a mistake.
Love my E Tec great motor .
Without entering in the discussion about technology or quality or reliability, it is always sad when a brand that has been there for so long expires.
Except this "Evinrude" hasn't been around but for 20 years...
@@cornfilledscreamer614 lmao your dumb I own a 1967 evinrude and it still runs
@@brodychojnacki2249 Okay - I reckon I'm going to have to explain this to you. Bombardier & Genmar Holdings bought out OMC in 2001. THIS is what I meant about Evinrudes not being Evinrudes anymore.
Secondly, if you're going to call somebody dumb, you might want to say "YOU'RE dumb" as opposed to "YOUR dumb". Feel free to use caps and use proper punctuation in your statements as well - unless you're really as dumb and uneducated as it would appear.
Hope this helps.
@@brodychojnacki2249 Holy Homonyms Batman, the man doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're". This is why the English language is going to hell. People don't know the difference between your/you're, there/their/they're, brake/break, to/too, lose/loose to name a few. Seriously, if you have a '67 Evinrude, then you should be old enough to learn how to spell.
@@cornfilledscreamer614 damn someone got booty hurt they got proven wrong about their original statement.
BRP screwed up bad. The G2 was just starting to take hold with the introduction of the smaller G2's. Evinrude is a great motor, and not the problem, BRP is the problem.
Evinrude lost out on the only real GROWTH market in outboards: coastal marine BIG horsepower outboards. Evinrude had 11% of the outboard market.
Brp 100% the problem they didn't push evinrude as in very little advertisement I bet if they would just take and sponsor youtubers with there outboard they would really start to gain back the market 2 stroke with there motors is still they way to go but no one knows that because there is no advertisement on you tube or social media as far as evinrude
machew2009 - Why Evinrude Failed: An autopsy of NMMA statistics: high HP (>200hp) outboard sales +80% since 2008. Outboards >300hp sales +18% from 2018 to 2019 alone. This is the only double digit growth segment of the outboard motor market for the past 20 years and Evinrude never got more than 11 percent of the market share. In the US, large pontoons and center consoles average HP increased 40% since 2008. In the coastal marine markets the BIG outboard CC completely took over the inboard market. Think BIG twins, triples, and quads. 2 strokes were favored in developing Countries like China and Brazil. 4 strokes were favored in developed Countries like Austr, New Zealand, the EU, Canada, and the US. In 2018, Mercury Marine contributed $2.61 Billion in revenues to Brunswick and was their biggest earner by far.
Imagine an Evinrude 300 HP V6 Direct Injected powerhead in a Sea-Doo.
@@jerrychase4177 BRP owns an Austrian motor company Rotax, capable of producing literary anything - even more, after Rotax made some really advanced and powerful six-cyl engines they had to scrap it under certain agreement as US regulators wouldnt approve it.
Thanks for your opinion on why they closed. Your title says the REAL reason. Sounds more like your view, and not fact based......just my opinion.😃
This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about 😂
2 true
Evenrude/Johnson live on under the Bombardier bannor.
Facts
@@rdeanbenson217 Yeah, but BRP is the horror factor in all this.
Clint Morgan no, they’re actually great. We used to repower with a 150 every other year and have NEVER had an issue. The g1 250s do have issues sometimes but that’s only if they aren’t run right
Immediately with your description of the video, you show you don't understand the ETEC. "required owners to mix oil with gasoline". Wrong, simply put, you can't mix the oil and the gas on the ETEC. The ETEC utilizes an oil injection system that provides a mist of oil through a high pressure injections system to the critical internal parts of the engine, like crank bearings etc. The ETEC is the cleanest burning outboard on the market period....most 4 strokes will have to add a catalytic converter to catch up as the restrictions become tighter on them. Evinrude failed because of a financial decision made by bean counters at BRP. It may or may not have been influenced by Mercury Marine, which is owned by Brunswick Corporation. I find it odd that all transoms now owned by BRP are sporting Mercury outboards on them......I know many people, including myself that have run ETECS for some time, and they have been much more reliable than comparable Yamahas......
I miss the 2 strokes so much less problems in the long run
2 strokes are amazing for their reliability and simple construction it simply cant go wrong and light weight.
However 4stroke is better in every other way you get more power at low revs (less gas consumption) , quieter and does not spit out oil into the water.
The oil is the reason why 2 strokes are banned in most places (and assuming the guy in the video was right about sticking with the 2 stroke path they were simply not able to sell their engines in most 1st world countries anymore)
Four strokes use more fuel but their gasses are less pollutive
@@videomaker8207 idk what four strokes you’ve ran but they are much more gas efficient than any 2 stroke I have ever owned
@@caseyperrell3198 then you have obviously never heard of what a 2 stroke is
@@caseyperrell3198 the only thing four strokes are better for is they’re more convenient so just pour petrol in away we go and they’re not as pollutive
Nothing beats the true power and torque of a 2 Stroke Evinrude.
Nothing except the ease and simplicity of use of a good 4 stroke.
When it's not in the shop...
I don't know man, 4-strokes have always treated me better lol
A 2 stroke Yamaha. You know it’s gonna get you home
Ain’t that the truth. Also very reliable
Ive got mates with etecs and they swear by them??? Never let them down? Personal choice buddy
We had an Etec and it gave us nothing but problems, a lot of fuel issues. Guess we got the lemon of the litter.
Lots of Evinrudes around here, got 2 myself because they are the closest outboard dealer to me, I've had more than my share of issues. Tried trading both of them in on a Suzuki or Yamaha but unfortunately resale is very poor on Eteks
@@wasupfool5692 yeh my mates wont idle now and keeps shutting down? B.O.A.T bring on another thousand lol.
I thought the G2 was beating the 4 strokes on all fronts except for the noise. I think their G2 engine was really that good but BRP business plan sucked.
What´s wrong with real accelerating noise?????
4 strokes are better and BRP saw the handwriting on the wall. Great business plan.
@@melrose9252 what makes them better?
@@melrose9252 how are they better? News flash, they’re not
@@SkiRacingOz quieter, more efficient, DTS,…
We’ve had an Evinrude 150 motor for 25 years and it’s still going stromg
I loved the integrated power steering on the g2 also the fly by wire controls and the trolling speed extremely low fuel consumption.No break in,no maint for 500 hours, no oil changes after 100 hrs, self winterization.What a waist.I was planning on trading in my 2017 Yamaha F115 four stroke for the Evinrude 115 G2 better hole shot,higher top end speed and better fuel consumption.You could also customize your outboard colors to match your boat.
The power steering is trash. Mine is in the shop for the 3rd time trying to get it sorted. Sure, the integrated setup looks nice and keeps rigging clean, but that doesn’t do much when it’s not working correctly early.
Don’t you mean 150, but I’d like to see how a motor with less horsepower can go faster than a 150.
@@mathewhastings9485 Yes I meant F115 thank you for pointing out my mistake
@@joshtavenner3073 around 600 hours on mine and not a single problem Perhaps yours were not rigged properly
I grew up with Evinrude ouboards from a 1958 sea horse 10 still runs , a 1975 6 horse still runs and i learned to ski behind a 1972 65horse 3 cylinder I now own a 2001 115ram on a 1983 cvx never had a problem with it at 275 hours was looking forword to repowering with a etec when I heard of the closure , trully a sad day on the water , rest in piece Ole'
John Skelton < It should be “rest in peace” but not much can be expected from someone wanting an Etec.
Well, the G2’s are suspect, but the G1’s are solid and reliable.. I have a 2018 115 Etec that is solid... not one problem and it runs like a demon at WOT... Sad they shut down, so much cool technology that just vanished
Actually mercury bought the tech so it wont be waisted
Yes, g1s are good and reliable. But uses ALOT of gas compared to fours strokes and the g2s. We have used the g1 50hp and 200hp for ages.
Glad you like it, just bought one with 130h, hope its a good one!
@@loganroberge5040 it will, Mercury have quit 2 stroke, evinrude was coming out with a 300 ho that was gonna be a 300r killer, then came COVID, then came bankruptcy, then came death, Mercury won’t touch any of that, they’ll move on like it was never there
I don't work in the boat in boating industry, but i did stay at a holiday inn last night.
There's nothing that brings back childhood fishing/ boating memories quite like the smell of a 2 stroke outboard exhaust
Exactly
As he said, this is all speculation. Guy really doesn't know what he's talking about.
Hole shot , up to 28% better fuel economy than any other engine, the cleanest burning engine on the planet , 500hr without a service , no run in period, automatic trim, and power steering inside the motor, cleanest hose set up.5 year corrosion and engine waranty, awarded by NASA for the use of NASA developed aluminium.
BRP (the largest marine and snow engine manufacturer)never went broke - they bought Evinrude and threw out the old Evinrude technology then built the best motor they could from the ground up- it was savaging every other engine maker's sales so Mercury made a huge offer for BRP to get out , which BRP did because they are going full electric
Like a work of art!
@@paulrudwick2623 so you're saying Merc paid BRP a huge sum to buy out the remaining shares of BRP, BRP said yes as they are looking to go full electricity.
@@kenlee-97 Thats what Ive been told by two Evinrude dealers
@@paulrudwick2623 Meanwhile at the legion of DOOM....
my 15 hp 2 stroke 1978 evinrude is a champ.. will last for ever
Glad to hear it since i just put money down on a sail boat with a 15hp 2 stroke on a transom bracket.
@@gregorytimmons4777 mines going strong still, great year
Mine is a 58 35hp. I'll run it agenst any 50 hp 4 stroke modern engine and smoke it's you know what.
I got it in 79 or 80 and it was old then, took it apart ported it and put a bigger carb from a fat 50 seahorse popped the reeds with a set of Deves rings and to this day she runs like a Banshee. 63 years old and not once have I had to replace a single valve spring!
I will never get a 4 stroke outboard.
@@phonebackup8132 you should make videos of those id love to see them
Oh yeah? Well my first car was a '87 Chevrolet Berretta that was poorly made GM rubbish.
Makes me sick to see this company go out of business, was following their product for awhile weak!!
The "real" Evinrudes (OMC including Johnson) died in 2000. FICHT destroyed them. Bombardier has not been doing well the last few years. One quick look, and you'll discover that they sold their CRJ manufacturing (airplanes) to Mitsubishi. Evinrude was simply another portion to be expendable.
Too bad that the original OMC didn't make it. By far & away (until the FICHT abortion), they were the best outboards made...
I don't know man. The vro oil pump fiasco made a lot of those engines junk.
@@martinhajda2132 Had a few troubles with that, but all in all - they still kicked a$$. Surprised they didn't put Mercury out of business in the 50's through the 80's...
ETec is an unreal injection system, it continues to be THEE best in snow sports with skidoo's line of two stroke sled engines above all competition. in the marine sense, I've always ran mercury.. but my grandfather continues to be a believer in Evinrude, and I personally love them also. as long as you keep up the preventative maintenance those engines are flawless. to me this is a strict opinion video.
An outboard is as good as the mechanic you choose to work on it. Don't take the cheapest route. Well...unless your bro is a kickass certified marine mechanic and you bring the beer. :P
How can something with less moving parts more low end torque loose. Misinformation?
To each his own. The precursor to the e-tec had it's problems. The later model e-tec outboards learned from these problems and made necessary corrections. I have owned Evinrude for years, from the early smokers to the new EU accepted e-tech and have not had any problems. Wish things had not transpired as they have.
True only evenrude on the lakes around Northern California still a great motor I still run
My tlra 60 2 cly
You must remember Bankruptcy is a tool, it can shed debt and responsibility to investors and employees.
Everyone always told me my OMC Cobra was trash. I had it for 16 years before a reseal was done. I did the bellows and shift cable myself since no one around here worked on them anymore. It ran great when I sold the boat and now I was forced to buy a Mercury product because they rule the roost around here and it’s been great too. I bet the 80s and 90s was a great time to be in the boating business. RIP OMC still and RIP Evinrude.
Back in the day they were all bullet proof. Except Force and even they could be easily repaired and maintained. Now you can't get parts for them. In time the same will be true for Evinrude
Obviously, this is a very biased video. I had an ETEC 150 on my last boat, and i guarantee you that I could beat any same powered four stroke out of the hole and possibly in top-end speed. I did have some mechanical issues with the motor, but only one major issue - replace the computer module. Everything else, impeller, water pump, etc was preventative maintenance. I used only marine grade gas in my motor, and I believe that may be why I didn't have other, more serious issue. Overall, I would say it was a very good motor, but i was going for a Yamaha before Evinrude called it quits.
I feel that evinrude just felt behind as you mentioned and felt that the other players are dominating the market. To be honest I loved evinrude and I’m a big two stroke fan and was excited to see how tech can be integrated even more to provide an even better two stroke outboard. I always said IF they would take on a sales rep with no experience in outboard sales I’d sell so many I could buy the company only because of my passion for their product. The market for them was with bigger outboards it seemed but there’s no reason to let go of the gas for selling smaller outboards I mean when you search evinrude outboards the light twin and other small ones are always popping up! I hope they come back one day!
I hope too, but I doubt they will.
They are RIP.
Agree totally , they simply missed having a boat manufactures team up with them especially off shore racing , race on Sunday sell on Monday , in hoping to score a G2 , race it in the 200 class , last of the 2 strokes , if they made the same engines just less of the hyper green stuff kept the g2 , make a 4 stroke v8 or simply bring back the v8 2 stroke , g 2 - evolve the components to be un apologetically 2 stroke yet at its best to be clean and sober . Not everyone wants a 4 stroke , motor cross done the same now they are screaming for 2 strokes again . They just sound different and have a different power style that people still love .
Mercury got help from Yamaha for years in technology. Remember Mercury is not Mercury it’s owned by Brunswick more money to spend FICHT led OMC down a dirty path to meeting two strange people.
I think the biggest problem had nothing to do with the engines, but the dealer network. After the OMC bankruptcy, many Evinrude dealers either went out of business or switched to another brand. Most dealers weren’t going to wait around to see what BRP was going to do with the brand in a few years. By the time BRP basically restarted the Evinrude brand with new models, the Evinrude dealer network was a mere fraction of what it was during the OMC years. There are multiple times more Mercury and Yamaha dealers than BRP Evinrude dealers. No matter how good your motor is, you can’t compete without a solid dealer network from which to sell them. Alliances with boat manufacturers is very important to, but again, that is closely tied to the dealer network. I own both a 2015 Evinrude 175 E-Tec, and a 2016 Mercury 150 4-stroke on two different, but similar boats. Both engines are fantastic and super competitive with each other. They each have their own unique pros and cons, and it’s tough to choose which I like better. I’ve always been a 2-stroke fan, so my heart is with the Evinrude, so sad to see that technology die so suddenly. RIP Evinrude - it will always be the first outboard in the world, and all outboard in the future will owe its existence to that fact. Thanks Ole for the great invention!
The E-TEC will last a lot longer than the MERC will !
On second etech lm a commercial fisherman in florida 6000hrs on first motor already have 5000 in a little over 5yrs on second that's more hours than most will do in a lifetime
So funny when I hear merc guys say evinrude isn’t reliable, mercs are the worst and most expensive to fix. Anyone that has worked on two strokes knows how easy they are. I’ve seen guys still running evinrude a from the 90s and 2000s and still running perfect
We can't get them to last at all here on the east coast of Canada, we try all brands in the commercial oyster industry.They do have a durable lower unit though
@@shanepatrick3813 I have a 1979 evinrude still runs perfect.
@@shanepatrick3813 = Don’t compare them old OMC’s to the new Evinrudes. It’s funny that Mercury is the world leader and Evinrude is out of business. Makes you sound real dumb.
BRP decided to concentrate on it's jet ski lineup and the engines that go along with them. Simple.
That is called the Sea Doo lineup. jet Ski is Kawasaki.
evinrude will come back with an all electric outboard... im calling it now
I hope you’re right... throughout my childhood, the Johnson/Evinrude brand were the workhorses of the remote west coast of British Columbia. If you were needing to be out on the water for work , you had an Evinrude hanging off the transom. Mercurys were euphemistically called anchors while the Japanese brands were novelties that you couldn’t get parts for. Too this day, if you sink a four stroke through some mishap, good luck not having to replace everything but the cowl.
Electric will be the future and I truly hope BRP come back with an indestructible electric that again beats the crowd for reliability and price.
@Question Mark ruclips.net/video/c5_dDpIk1ts/видео.html
Finally, 10 pages of reading arguments before the first mention of electric marine technology.
I own a light electric vehicle company, and honestly don't agree with Buddy's statement "electric will be the future" (of marine) unless you add the word "distant" in there.
Nevertheless, making the power required for the marine industry is easy with an electric motor(s), it's getting people to be realistic with their energy storage needs and the concept of charging at locations along the way that is challenging.
Torque and speed, with reliability the marine industry has never seen is just a water-cooled brushless motor away. Charging infrastructure that is marine friendly will take a while.
The day we can all buy a 73 foot nuclear powered center console with 6 electric outboards is my idea of the "electric future of marine power".
P.S. Nuclear power unit is sealed and has no user serviceable parts inside. No DIY please.
The end of an era. No more 2-strokes. So sad! 😖
One of the Evinrude killers was the contracts that Mercury had with too many boat makers. It was possible but Not Easy to get a G2 on Lund
Mercury and Lund are owned by Brunswick. Brunswick owns many boat brands/companies and only want to put black anchors on those brands.
Whalers as well... never could put an Evinrude on a whaler... Mercury has it!!
@@sdvten = Got your little feelings hurt? Mercury is still in production and the I need a tow Evinrude’s are shut down again!
@@melrose9252 Sorry you are too much of an ignorant fanboy to understand fact. I'm sure the Merc on your daddy's bass tracker is awesome.
Gerard Haubert Evinrude/Johnson had their own boat brands that OMC started doing way back in the 70's and maybe even earlier. What killed Evinrude was BRP and BRP only and their lack of advertisement and pushing the brand is what killed Evinrude
Just your opinion. I had a 115 and a 300 ETEC Was very pleased with them
I had a 250 e tec new and it had problems nearly all the time
I just love a 2 stroke, you will never change my mind on this. Less equipment to fail.
This is why Evinrude failed: Less equipment to fail, still failing more than any japanese engine
Whisky Gordon < Evinrude’s are good in the minds of their blind followers.
I like the 2 stroke over 4 stroke,because it takes double the cc's of a 4 stroke to equal that of a 2 stroke(almost double). And pollution wise, 2 stroke outboards are what, 1/50 of 1% of the problem. If completely eradicated you wouldn't notice a difference. Going after the big 3 or Industry is what can make a difference, but the politicians are to busy lining their pockets with their (big3 & industry)money.
@@kayldomaj6493 I have a 1968 Evinrude fast twin that still runs like a champ how many of these Yamaha And Suzuki 4stroke’s Will still be running in 50 years?
@@johnbumpus7138 All of them ?
They closed shop way before covid19 so double check your info
2 stroke are still the best in my book Ollie Evinrude would be sad that the 2 stroke died out. Love Evinrude and Johnson outboards. Own both older models were awesome. Still own a 1969 Johnson 25 runs awesome.
My 1984 140hp 2 stroke Rude is a screamer! Just look at You tube vids of older OMC v-4's - they kick butt, and easy to work on too!
The V6 VINDICATER of 225hp was a beast or the INTRUDER, I have in mind that they made a 250hp version of these too but I maybe remember wrong?? And then we had the mighty V8´s they were heavy and four carburetors wanted gas BUT WHAT A BEAUTY that BLACK JOHNSON OH SORRY EVINRUDE. I actually had the pleasure of owning one BLACK JOHNSON 300 4 LITRE V8 1996 the last year only on export, modell but it was to heavy for my boat BUT WHAT AN ACCELERATION!!!
i have a 66 johnson 20 hp...its runs like new...it can troll as well as my 6 hp ...also a johnson...ive always had johnson...and will keep looking for newer ones...
Your speculation doesn't really make any sense. The outboard market is booming. I suspect this has more to do with a competition-busting dirty deal with Mercury that BRP execs just couldn't resist.
BRP bought Johnson/Evinrude, who's to say it won't be bought by another company. It's the buyers market at this point and if the product is that good?? I went Yamaha HPDI bc I still like the 2 stroke.
Not knowing anything about outboard brands I bought a boat with a G1 90hp 2008 Etec. I'm quite nerdy when it comes to anything mechanical so I really got to know this engine. Seems I've spent more time learning about how to look after it and prevent Etec death syndrome than I have actually fishing. I think the design of the Etec is great, but emissions control overtook reliability. In 2008 they stopped injecting a small amount of oil into the fuel. Apparently after that the failure rate of the high pressure pump and the injectors increased quite a lot. I religiously add a small amount of 2-stroke oil to the fuel as well as Stabil fuel stabiliser and Carbon Guard. This mixture, known as "Ollys Brew" on the Etec forum, gives lubrication and corrosion protection to fuel pump and injectors, prevents carbon build-up that can snap piston rings and damage the cylinders, and helps prevent any fuel degradation. You have to really ensure you never get wet or bad fuel to the engine as this can cause corrosion/damage to the HP fuel pump and injectors. And if the injectors don't deliver enough fuel the engine runs lean and that kills them. A typical 4-stroke injector is just like a valve, whereas an Etec injector is massive because it's actually an electrical pump. They seem very susceptible to damage from corrosion caused by water in the fuel.
The coil in one of my injectors started going open circuit before I'd even used the engine. Found this out when pulling half the engine apart straight after I'd bought it. Completely cut open the injector to see what was on the inside (nerd syndrome) and where the wire break had happened. Could not believe it when I found the break to be in the potted compound joint in the steel body, where the external wire connected to the fine internal wire. There's a story on the Etec forum that 2008 injectors had some guy on the production line lifting the injectors by the external wires. No idea if that's true but 2008 injectors have this reputation and I'm unaware of any recall and free swap for faulty manufacturing. I still have one original injector left and often wonder when that connection will fail.
After purchase I completely disassembled the VST (Vapour Separator Tank). It was actually in pristine condition, no gunk or corrosion anywhere, just like the internals of all injectors. However, what I did find was localised galvanic corrosion and deep pitting on one of the VST stainless bulkhead fittings, where it screwed onto the stainless water coil. This pitting was right up to the o-ring joint that seals the seawater from the fuel. If the pitting had advanced further and the o-ring had not sealed, seawater would have mixed with the fuel, potentially causing corrosion in the HP fuel pump and ALL injectors, and possibly piston rings and cylinders. Wow, what an expensive parts bill that would have been. You can't buy replacement parts for the VST, so you have to buy a complete new VST / fuel pump assembly, which would have been $1200 here in Australia. The local dealer was not prepared to sell me a fitting from an old/knackered VST, and tried to BS me, telling me how the old VSTs are all "rusted out". I have a lathe and the knew how to reverse engineer this fitting so I ended up making my own. Cost me $90 for a very special thread tap to cut the internal thread.
The EMM has a reputation for failure, which can be caused by all sorts of things. Seems to me the EMM was not designed with enough electronic protection at all. When we think about it, how often do car computers fail. Of the millions and millions of cars, both old and new, I've only heard an odd story of computer failure through my entire life, yet a marine outboard where reliability is of great safety importance, gets a reputation of EMMs failing for no reason while out on the water. The Etec forum is a great source of knowledge for these engines and without it I would not have know how to protect this "fragile" engine.
I'm hoping my Etec will be one of those stories where they last for many years and hours, as I've put a great deal of time and effort into pulling half of it apart for the sake of it, and understanding it's weaknesses, but most people are not like that and just want to get out in their boat.
Epa in the USA has killed the 2 stroke that's why I'd be willing to bet we will see a rotax outboard
No the 4 stroke killed the 2 stroke.
@@jwill9877 wrong alot of 2 stroke lovers still out here pound for pound better power
@@captlucky2320 Pound for pond more power, but much less fuel efficient. The 4 strokes get better fuel efficiency.
There nis the 850 ETEC thats still made and the 2021 skidd is turbo stock. That rotax needs to be scaled up to 550 to 800 cubic inches inline 6 or v8. Or get an aftermarket aluminum big block v8 and do a mode like this chevy:www.4btswaps.com/attachments/2cyclesbc-jpg.6839/
@@captlucky2320 Heres a DIY v8 chevy sb 2 stroke:www.4btswaps.com/attachments/2cyclesbc-jpg.6839/.
I respect your comments but disagree.
I have a long tradition of outboards over 79 years. Mercury bought boat companies and equipped these boat brands with Mercury equipment.
So many people buy a boat package if the buy new.
The smaller outboards are dominated by Tohatsu.
Private labeled from 3-20hp they make a heck of a good product.
The business environment respects the bottom line. That equates to units sold and the resultant profits accordingly.
IMO Evinrude and
Johnson fell from grace because of poor management and marketing.
Read Who moved my cheese about two mice and you will see the need behind the need!
Respectfully,
A boat builder and oceanographer.
I wish you the best
It seems that so many boat mfg's are partnering with engine mfg's and engines are installed at the boat mfg. So if you want a particular boat, you are stuck with their engine choice. Seems Yammy has the lion share of this partnership and Merc with Bass Pro
Brp must be run by a bunch of milenials .the injected 2 strokes are reliable virtualy maintaince free powerhouses . I am curently looking for a 150ho gt either new or low hours let me know I will never have anything but a evinrude on my glastron
You will have to buy a used one and the resale will be cheap considering they are out of production again.
Their biggest mistake was leaving Milwaukee. Ole Evinrude is turning in his grave what his sons did to his company.
I traded a 50HP Evinrude E-tek for a 2019 Mercury 75HP four stroke thinking that it would be more power. Big mistake. The Mercury is pathetic and the most gutless engine that I have ever had.
Then you dont know how to set it up moron
Sounds like you need to get your prop right.
@@Tyler-zw4kq @MrT 06 Not mine. I have a 75 HP Mercury. It will not rev past 4500 rpms with a 19 pitch prop. Going down to a 15 pitch it will not rev past 5,000 and top end is even slower. mercury Marine says that is still within their "acceptable range". so I don't want another Merc.
I traded a 50HP Evinrude E-tec and an Alumacraft boat 100 lbs lighter that would run very close to the same speed as my new Merc. The 50 would plane that boat off much quicker.
John Strand You are absolutely correct! Yes, Mercury, Yamaha, and Suzuki have seemed to get the performance curve similar
To 2 strokes in the big hp outboards, but the mid range 4 strokes are definitely lacking the punch of 2 strokes. I live in an area where there’s several 25hp limit lakes and they have bass tourneys on them. Many guys have some nicely tricked out aluminum boats! It’s a night and day difference performance wise with the E Tec powered rigs compared to the 4 stroke powered rigs. The torque just isn’t there with the 4
Strokes to get some of these heavier aluminum rigs on plane.
@@johnstrand2247 = Don’t believe this troll. Mindless dribble from an idiot.
This video is way too opinionated to walk away with any real tangible information. The information I obtained does not State Evinrude closed down due to finances or due to lack of power in outboard engines. But is due to new research, technology, resources, opportunities..... you do know the EPA is phasing out internal combustion engine .
The death of the 2 stroke in the marine industry is like losing H patterns in the car industry. The future is dope but I’ma miss the old school cool factor
The local marine shop had a few of the G2's, they just sat there for years, for some reason they had a bad rep whether they deserved them or not
Very sad, 113 year old company disappears because of some poor senior management decisions. There is a space for 2stroke engines but it will become a niche, perhaps there is a future for the brand outside of BRP..
Peter Childs = Outdated and complex.
OMC (Johnson & Evinrude) died in 2000.Bombardier bought them out when they failed.
The g2 was the best bass boat motor you could get on the newer fiberglass stuff. Yamaha is fantastic but the gear shifts you can hear across the Atlantic.
It all started when the Tree Huggers said 2 strokes too dirty. I had a Yamaha 150 HPDI (Direct FI) on the same type boat I have now with a Yamaha 150 4 Stroke. The 4 stroke has nothing on the HPDI 150. quitter, fuel efficient, never saw blue smoke, smoother, snap your neck hole shot and 6 mph faster on top end, lighter too. The EPA screwed the 2 strokes. They are still made but you can't buy a new one in the US. E-TEC was a good engine but BRP has screwed up several industries. So long Lear Jet, RIP after 55 years of production.
it started going down hill when OMC went away
Noone buys them. All the newer boats have Mercury, Yamaha,and now Suzuki. Friend has one already had it rebuilt. Mercury man have a Yamaha and hate it.
OMC needs a rebirth in ultra reliable, simple to fix, and low cost parts outboard motors. And keep the price point down on the motors. Having to finance motors for 10-15yrs is insane. Especially with the repowering being more popular.
Been running 97’ Johnson ocean runner 150 since 1999
I know it's just a shell, but man do their covers look great. Sad to see them go
I thought the "covers" were/are butt ugly.
I agree James. I didn't care for them at first but they really grew on me, especially because I'm a "color matchy" person. My boat is white with royal blue and silver flake stripes and I was getting ready to repower with a matchy ETEC but that ship has sailed. Now considering a white Suzuki with custom decals. Who knows.
I have a e tec 50 great motor no issues. hope someone purchases the company
I've got a G2 200 & a 30 hp E-tec ; love them both . Hit the key , they're running even after 6 months of winter AND amazing fuel economy !
In your comments you say the engines require owners to mix oil and gas. You haven’t had to manually mix oil and gas on 2 stroke outboards for a long long time. Just pour oil into the oil tank. Done. The engine actually does the mixing.
My 99 Johnson has oil injection and still running fine.
for your info e-tech does not mix the oil with the fuel it injects it directly to the needed lubrication points such as crank pistons etc. that is why they meet epa standards
My 1972 Suzuki street bike had oil injection.
I bought a Evinrude 115 G2 ho tiller for one of my Alumacraft 2072 all weld. runs fast, weight 730 pounds. Had Evinrude's all my life. Grandpa bought his first in 1916, my dad in the 40's bought them. used the hell out of these engines everyday. commercial fishing. never failed that i remember. only problems were operator error. nocking lowers out on wing dams or stumps. i lost a stator on one, carb rebuilds. 2020 the last of Evinrude, my last engine before i am off the water. Nothing like the smell of that two stroke on a cold October morning of the past. lots of memories of good days. The duck hunting before it became a yuppy sport with guys sky busting at ducks thinking they have a German 88 mm flak gun. People now days just aren't friendly on the river, they just seem rude from what people used to be. Sitting there fishing and watching these bass guys about run over people. I guess i can look at Evinrude as a motor that represented a different time and era, just not fitting in with the "lost" people that are out there now.
The E-Tec and G2 motor sales unfortunately always had to struggle with the concept that "2 stroke engines are smoky, maintenance intensive and unreliable" which Evinrude proved that by proper design they are not. The G2 motors were widely used by top level CHAMPIONSHIP AND TOURNAMENT winning bass fishing pro's ( Wesley Strader, Jacob Wheeler, Andy Morgan, Dustin Connell and many more - who found that the G2 was just faster and as reliable as a Merc or other brands) until Evinrude pulled the support staff that they used to send to tourneys to keep the contestants motors supplied with any parts and service they needed. As of the past few years though, Merc has raised the bar by making the 4 stroke motors as lightweight and almost as efficient as the G2, and that was a good part of "pigeon holing" Evinrude into a spot where major redesigns would be needed to stay ahead.
When I was a kid, my mother took me to the Disney movie The Rescuers. A mouse couple hopped on a leaf, using it as a motor boat to get around the bayou. The leaf was powered by a dragonfly named Evinrude. My mom laughed at this and when I asked why, she said Evinrude was a well known brand of outboard motors.
Saddening to learn about this.
I always call my Evinrude outboard EEEVINRUUUUUUUDDEE! Like the old mouse use to call it
My time favourite cartoon. 🙂👍🏾
very sad. I have owned Evinrude motors since 1987. I own one now. They are simple and solid.
I work at an authorized evinrude dealer and those G2’s have so many steering problems.
Same. The DPS is such a nightmare. Side covers don’t seal worth a damn they’re disgusting salt messes after a season and dropping lowers are such a pain. They should have canned the G2 and stuck with the G1
I hate Mercury Outboards with a vengeance. Big Black Boat Anchors
They just ran their business like Boeing. No support to dealers: not listening to their customers: not correct ing products. They could have controlled the market. Bad leadership and understanding of quality control
Looks like BRP signature to me.
It's sad. Evinrude is a great engine.
I have a 1999 E90FPLEEC ( fict) with over 1000 hours on it. Proper maintenance every season. Very reliable still . I agree though with what you said about company’s reluctance to change.
Bombardier did the same thing back in the 70s with CanAm motorcycles. Bought in, couldn’t compete/the market took a little down turn and they killed it! Left their dealers and customers hanging. We’ll see how/if they support their existing product.
i have 0 faith in bombardier...look where they went with their new passenger pane...and WE gave them a big cheque just before they paid bonuses to their directors...then took off to the states...another canadian business defects to the US...cant blame them....too much taxes and govt interference in Canada...
@@ericsandrin8123 BRP is a different company than the plane maker.
You may like Mercury but you ought to try working on them. There are a great many specialized tools that need to be purchased just to fix them.
ive always had johnson...i would take a mercury if somebody gave it to me...too complicated and expensive when anything goes wrong..i stopped one day for somebody with a dead merc...and we couldn't even figure out how to get the cowling off...we towed it home..
2 Stroke engines are the best of the world. No maintanace required, more power like a 4 stroke with the same performance in any situation. Oil mixed systems are secure, then you dont have the problem with an oilpump. If this crash your motor still damage.
2 stroke is much lighter then 4 stroke...
Evinrude & Johnson are the best 4 ever.
1983 Evinrude 90 hp 👑
Not enough on new boat transoms to survive. Can't make it on repowers.
Currently working as an marine technician at a evinrude and mercury dealership. I love evinrude g2s and g1s they are my little babies in the shop Xd
Isn’t this the second time Evinrude has stopped production?
Here ya go! BOOM!
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Let's hope Polaris buys Evinrude.
The Evinrude brand would be a spectacular addition to the Benninton, Godfrey and Hurricane brands that are in Polaris's Portfolio.
How about ArcticCat the only sled with an American made motor. Yeah Cat should snatch up Evinrude.
Is it Really going to be bought because i hope so
@@blacklionengineer3274 I thought Polaris built their own as well? actually before Cat.
i’ve got a 250 H.O. evinrude on my godfrey and that thing is a beast
Evinrude will most likely not be sold and shelved like Johnson.
Omc had the best warranty of any motors in the day . That probably helped them go into BR. That Penske guy along with that green tree bunch helped smash and sink OMC. Its a damn shame to see a great American company get cashed out by wealthy bean counters. Bombardier likes their Jets too. I say - l hope they burn in hell for taking down a great company and its reputation that was around for almost 100 yrs. Its so sad !!----- l guess money rules !!
I don't know the market well enough, but I have to question how important the >300 hp outboard market really is. Sure it may be growing, but when you go from tiny to small, can your really justify the engineering and tooling ?
To me, the market segment that they missed was the mid-sized. Specifically, they should have dumped the V4 many, many years ago. Evinrude/Johnson proved the HP potential of 3 cylinder 2 strokes back in the 70s (?). Yamaha took it to the next level with their 2 stroke 90 hp, probably the best 2 stroke ever in that size range. It took until 2019 for BRP to install the corporate "glass belly button" (because their head was so far up their ...) to announce a new. larger 3 cylinder. Did any of these engines actually get built and installed on customer boats ?
I still have not figured out what corners Yamaha has cut to get a 4 cylinder, 4 stroke outboard make 200 hp and still weight less than 500 lbs (yes, it uses 89 octane).
Last, the other HUGE missed opportunity, was not using Rotax to engineer a line of 4 stroke Johnson outboards. Yes, they may have "stolen" sales from Evinrude, but sticking with ONLY 2 strokes was "putting all of your eggs in one basket". I don't think they marketed the 2 stroke advantages (no oil changes, no valve adjustments) well enough. It is also difficult to sell adding gallons of expensive oil (XD100) to a large engine, especially when outside the US. (Who actually engineered and manufactured XD100 ?)
very bg deal just hg bjst yeàght Ned 300 hp
Why didn't Evinrude just stay the course and they could have owned the 250hp and down, I've had friends running e-tech and G2 with no problems and they blew away 4 strokes.
You can’t say “the real reason” when at the end you say you are just speculating 🤔
Evinrude ended production because the company was sold to 2 brothers from New York who divided the company up into smaller entities and sold them. Something is going on at the old Evinrude headquarters in Wisconsin right now, but it is being kept hush hush.
Unreliable? Not exactly... my 2010 Etec 150 has spent most of its life pulling me (200lbs) on a double boot slalom ski from a deep water launch every time, as well as towing kids and adults all summer long, for all types of water sports. Only thing it has ever gone to the shop for in 10 years is routine maintenance.
You got lucky.
So the real reason is your opinion, which is actually NOT the real reason, which means you lied to everyone for views.
Your title should be..... "Although I don't own an Evinrude, and I'm not a financial analyst, I would like to share with you my opinion on why I think Evinrude stopped manufacturing outboards".
Buddy, you owe me and everyone else three minutes and 9 seconds of life back. What a phoney this guy is.
Etec engine seemed to be really cool.
2 stroke all the way. I would buy a diesel outboard over a 4 stroke
Try doing search and recovery with a 2 stroke. idling for 8 hours trying to drag really takes a toll on a 2 stroke outboard.
Not if it is DFI. People need to stop comparing old 2 stroke with new 4 stroke.
Two stroke better suited for marine use just as four stroke is more suited for roads.
That’s sad such a big name in the boating world used to own one it was an old motor but it was a good solid motor ran fine
when omc folded in 2000,that was the real beggining of the end.i have been a engine builder for almost five decades,and designed a 2 stroke,500 h.p.v/8 long before this all began.if you know outboard history,then get your story straight.b.r.p. only wanted the ficht fuel technology,for thier jets and trains.try to know what you are talking about,before you flap your big mouth.
And FICHT was what destroyed OMC. They sank too much money into it, and it was nothing but suck...
They will be back in two years. Evinrude will manufacture motors overseas. The slogan will be the legend is back. I can see the future.
I really hope so
That could be the plan.
W Schafer < 2 Strokes are dead and no one with any brains ( Biden Voters) would put up the billions it would take to get Evinrude to compete in today’s market. . RIP Evinrude.