Watching *Black Panther: Wakanda Forever* For The First Time!

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  • This is Our First Time Watching Reaction to the Marvel movie Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. Following King T'Challa's passing, Queen Ramonda, Shuri, M'Baku, Okoye, and the Dora Milaje strive to defend their country against interfering international powers. The heroes must work with Nakia and Everett Ross to establish a new route for their beloved homeland as the Wakandans attempt to embrace their newest chapter.
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  • @DosCavazos
    @DosCavazos  Год назад +52

    *Watch the full-length watch-a-long reaction on Patreon: **www.patreon.com/posts/black-panther-78148894*

    • @JaySewani
      @JaySewani Год назад +2

      React to Daredevil show

    • @gabrielp9646
      @gabrielp9646 Год назад +1

      @Dos Cavazos - Imagine reacting to a TV show, and not uploading your reactions to episodes 2x14 and 2x15, because you didn´t "like" those... Then, simply skipping episodes 2x16 and 2x17, and suddenly uploading your reaction to 2x19... Just like that. That´s exactly what this video is... A freakng mess, of epic proportions.

    • @xl081
      @xl081 Год назад

      How did you not like "Doctor Strange 2" 🤨 Watch The Wolverine movies if you've seen all the Blades, Blade 3 you can miss. (Where is "Predators" movie reaction)💡

    • @tiffanywithers9298
      @tiffanywithers9298 Год назад

      The half bald headed guy in the meeting voiced Odin in God of War Ragnarok

    • @god_messi
      @god_messi Год назад

      Please do a review of the K-drama "Goblin".

  • @shadowfire_08
    @shadowfire_08 Год назад +825

    I just happen to live in Chadwick’s hometown of Anderson, South Carolina. this man has done soo much for the local communities & kids down here. Wakanda Forever, My King 🤴🏿🙅🏼‍♂️🍻 edit: wow thanks for the love everyone, and to my Palmetto state brethren 🙋🏼‍♂️

    • @TransitOfMarsOfficial
      @TransitOfMarsOfficial Год назад +45

      That is so awesome, what a man. For artists in general. Boseman will forever be one of my heroes, always.

    • @Mytheon151
      @Mytheon151 Год назад +20

      Hearing this just fills my heart to it's fullest. He's more than just Black Panther. He cares for his community.

    • @davemeers37
      @davemeers37 Год назад +8

      Absolutely a great actor and an even better person rest in power king forever

    • @davemeers37
      @davemeers37 Год назад +2

      The original plan according to Ryan Coogler was originally to be T’Challa & his son but of sadly had to be rewritten until the next life rest in power King Chadwick forever

    • @xl081
      @xl081 Год назад +3

      I'm from Columbia South Carolina

  • @TheForceOfMusic101
    @TheForceOfMusic101 Год назад +357

    FYI, the reason why Namor had a suit for Shuri when they went down to Talokan is because they stole it from the divers they killed in the beginning of the film. So, they basically took out the corpse of the diver, and gave the suit to Shuri.

    • @terogates1
      @terogates1 Год назад +28

      Tooootally didn’t catch that wow

    • @Jaykurosakii
      @Jaykurosakii Год назад +8

      I feel slow for not recognizing it lol I did ponder for a few seconds on why they would have a suit like that

    • @Mytheon151
      @Mytheon151 10 месяцев назад +1

      I'm not surprise if it has blood splatter in it too lololol yuck

  • @coldflamebluedragon196
    @coldflamebluedragon196 Год назад +430

    The cast carried the spirit of Chadwick throughout the film it was sad and beautiful

  • @StanvilleBrown
    @StanvilleBrown Год назад +369

    I believe this film was truly incredible. Oh my God, Letitia Wright went through so many ranges of emotions so freaking effortlessly Grief, Anger, Apathy, Empathy and finally Peace! T'Challa character mean a lot to many people I was so happy they gave him a legacy to live on in.

    • @Huntress59
      @Huntress59 Год назад +33

      I thought Letitia Wright deserved more critical recognition.

    • @Mytheon151
      @Mytheon151 Год назад +12

      She could've went down the road of extreme vengeance and violence but she chose not to.

    • @StanvilleBrown
      @StanvilleBrown Год назад +4

      @@Huntress59 Big freaking Facts!

    • @StanvilleBrown
      @StanvilleBrown Год назад +12

      @@Mytheon151 I don't care what anyone said, this was a great film.

    • @Mytheon151
      @Mytheon151 Год назад +7

      @@StanvilleBrown me too. Its my most favourite film in MCU

  • @Drake844221
    @Drake844221 Год назад +91

    I love how the cast has said that this movie helped them through the grieving process for Chadwick. It really shows in the final product.
    Also, M'baku was eating a carrot - don't forget, in the first movie, he said that the Jabari were vegetarians!

  • @sakin37ify
    @sakin37ify Год назад +214

    As far as Namor’s reasonings. You have to think about how his mom died, Spanish colonizers came to their land & they fell sick of small pox or whatever & that’s what forced them to find alternative means & living. His mom loved the surface world & wanted to be buried in her homeland. Once he saw the slaves & the nature of man he despised humans. It was extreme but it seems like he just didn’t want history to repeat itself in talocon instead of gold and land, they wanted Vibranium

    • @juliocesarg.r.1238
      @juliocesarg.r.1238 Год назад

      exactly, I guess it's difficult for white people to see Namor's decisions, although very wrong, I would do exactly the same and more to the surface world and anything that comes in my way and my people.

    • @akzone45
      @akzone45 Год назад +73

      Exactly, Namor isn't a villain, he's a king protecting HIS people.

    • @arjaneb
      @arjaneb Год назад +10

      right yes, exactly

    • @dvine3488
      @dvine3488 Год назад +44

      yep,and he did give wakanda 3 warnings and all 3 times,he was attacked instead

    • @ignaciogarcia2517
      @ignaciogarcia2517 Год назад +4

      @@dvine3488 THANK YOU

  • @victorphan6274
    @victorphan6274 Год назад +150

    Also, its worth noting that Shuri didnt lose T'Challa twice as she herself is confirmed by Marvel is a victim of the snap.

    • @tmac731
      @tmac731 Год назад +1

      They could’ve retcon that. BP 2 should’ve been taken place after Infinity War, they could’ve killed Tchalla since he was dead for 5 years, honor Chadwick then bring Tchalla back.

    • @kiebr8766
      @kiebr8766 Год назад +4

      @@tmac731 it took place after Endgame. The son of Nakia is 6 years old.

    • @samminicksm
      @samminicksm Год назад

      @@tmac731 How would they bring him back. Chadwick is dead. It makes more sense this way.

    • @tmac731
      @tmac731 Год назад

      @@kiebr8766 I hate how they gave him a son and killed him a 3rd time

    • @tmac731
      @tmac731 Год назад

      @@samminicksm Tchalla was dead for 5 years, you’re telling me Wakanda didn’t have a funeral then? That’s why I said BP 2 should have been after Infinity War so they can honor Chadwick but not kill Tchalla for the 3rd time. Then they can do some multiverse incursion stuff in why Tchalla looks different. Loki did say variants can look and act different

  • @itsrachwhoelse
    @itsrachwhoelse Год назад +103

    You can see in old interviews with Chadwick & Letitia that they really had a sibling bond, she talks about how he used to hold her hands and kiss her forehead when he could tell she was nervous in front of people or on set & Ryan Coogler says she was the only person who could get him out of his character to laugh and have a fun time on set so I think every single tear she shed for him in the making of this film was genuine & the emotions she let us see in her performance was just her reflecting on her real life pain at his loss. I think everyone put forth amazing performances but I really felt everything her character went through.

    • @ReadingOne
      @ReadingOne Год назад +4

      Well, that's just incredibly fucking heartbreaking, thank you for that...

  • @1243fad
    @1243fad Год назад +190

    Namor and Shuri’s chemistry was something social media talked about for weeks after the movie came out lol even though he did what he did to her mother, the writers of the movie revealed that they were deleted scenes between them, in which there was romantic innuendo so you’re not imagining that chemistry at all!
    *Edit Also, you’re not very far off from Shuri’s “arc” I’m not an expert in the comics, but from what I’ve heard and researched she’s a lot more ruthless than T’Challa was…so much so that she had to seek out wolverine in order to control her blood lust

    • @OtakuJuanma2
      @OtakuJuanma2 Год назад +7

      I can see them adapting that story beat into it being the fault of that 2% of the synthetic herb.
      The movies like to do that alot, grab plots from the comics and twist them so they start and end the same way and have some with the same beats, but everything else is unique... Sadly that sometimes means amazing plotlines get wasted. Hello Ultron, hello the actual Ragnarok of Thor Ragnarok.

    • @Cream-2128
      @Cream-2128 Год назад +8

      Shuri is a more of a warrior in comics. They gave her T’Challa genius for the mcu.

    • @BlackGirlMarvel
      @BlackGirlMarvel Год назад +6

      @Cream2128 they swapped them both a bit. Shuri's more of a warrior than the films portray but she's still a genius but so is T'Challa but they don't really show it. It was nice Shuri mentioned she got her love of it from him in this film

    • @Jaykurosakii
      @Jaykurosakii Год назад +3

      Man when is the MCU going to start doing X men character films

    • @yuhzilia
      @yuhzilia Год назад +1

      They said the same thing for Shuri and Riri that there were romance scenes for them that got deleted, I really disagree with Namori because he took her mothers life and probably killed a bunch of her people, I highly doubt shuri would feel any romance towards that man

  • @JonathanJJZ
    @JonathanJJZ Год назад +34

    What surprised me the most in this movie was definitely M'baku, who in the first movie was shown as a savage warrior but in this movie is more of a wise man and a counselor for Shuri

    • @DirByHasan
      @DirByHasan Год назад +5

      T’Challa’s passing definitely allowed a lot more growth from the characters. Even if they were rivals T’Challa’s death is what brought them on the same page

    • @neonphoenix4777
      @neonphoenix4777 11 месяцев назад +6

      How do you think he ran the jabari tribe for years 😂 that man is the wisest of the council

  • @ShaniceXO26
    @ShaniceXO26 Год назад +76

    To be fair he didn’t kidnap her she volunteered to go see Namor 😂

    • @OsSas3
      @OsSas3 Год назад

      Also, Wakanda had no rights to take an american citizen under its protection. They made a mess in America breaking many laws but suuuure, "Talokan was wrong for not wanting the world in their territory". Let's see how Wakanda would react if the whole world started entering its country, hypocrites.

    • @Enter_Zoneless
      @Enter_Zoneless Год назад +10

      Actually that’s true lmao

    • @dreamwalker2865
      @dreamwalker2865 9 месяцев назад

      It is actually true, so if anything, all sides are to blame.

  • @Rmlohner
    @Rmlohner Год назад +214

    Contrary to what just about everyone assumed, Ryan Coogler has confirmed that Feige didn't force him to include Valentina in the movie. In fact, he actually had to cut down the role he'd originally planned for her in the sequel after Boseman's death forced such a drastic rewrite.

    • @Saje3D
      @Saje3D Год назад

      “Everyone assumed?” Sounds like another conspiracy theory in an era that’s already rife with them. Sure it wasn’t FOX’s “Woke Mind Virus?”

    • @Linator4
      @Linator4 Год назад +16

      Apparently Thunderbolt Ross from Incredible Hulk & Civil War has been recast after William Hurt’s passing. They got Harrison Ford now so I’m predicting he & Val are gonna have pivotal roles in Captain America: New World Order & the Thunderbolts.
      I think we’re headed towards Dark Reign with the government taking over & replacing the Avengers with the Thunderbolts. Ross will probably become Red Hulk & fill the Norman Osborn role of becoming U.S. President.
      In the comics, it takes place after Secret Invasion which is an upcoming Disney+ show so it all adds up. They’re probably gonna come for Wakanda which forces Talokan & the Avengers to come to their defense.
      This will be our Civil War-like conflict before the multiversal shit hits the fan in Avengers: The Kang Dynasty & Secret Wars. Those films will force everyone to get back on the same page against the much larger threat-Kang the Conqueror (& possibly Doctor Doom if they follow the comic storyline).

    • @Rmlohner
      @Rmlohner Год назад +1

      @@Linator4 Which does sort of give the impression that their thought process went "Chadwick Boseman is absolutely impossible to replace, and we have no choice but to kill the character. William Hurt? Eh, who cares?"

    • @2KILLAVILLE
      @2KILLAVILLE Год назад

      @@Rmlohner Def should've recasted T'Challa. Portraying the real life tragedy of Chadwick into the fictional Character T'Challa was a L. T'Challa Iconic & suppose to transcend from generation to generation. T'Challa deserve to be fleshed out by continuing his story, especially when his story was just beginning in the mcu

    • @FranciscoHOS
      @FranciscoHOS Год назад +35

      @@Rmlohner The issue is that the relationship between Chadwick and Tchalla was almost symbiosis. Like Iron Man and Robert Downey Jr. And Tchalla was also a cultural impact. So it’s hard to recast a character because of the ties Chadwick’s on screen character had to him. Thunderbolt Ross on the other hand, other than a few appearances in the MCU and Hulk, hasn’t had anywhere near of an impact to audiences. And they have a large amount of material they can still cover with him. With T’challa, they were stuck between a rock and a wall. I get the arguments for both sides, but I think allowing T’challa and Chadwick to rest together and to dive into other stories with the characters around him was a good choice.

  • @Sephiroth766
    @Sephiroth766 Год назад +42

    Shurri proved that there is a difference between good and bad people and your background doesn't excuse your actions. She had every motive to go full heel, to go full antagonist and feed off revenge but in the end she took the righteous way out because deep down she was a good person. Everyone has a backstory, how you chose to respond is solely on you.

    • @coolwoop
      @coolwoop Год назад +9

      I love how both her and tchalla had to make similar choices and they both were good it was amazing

    • @Enter_Zoneless
      @Enter_Zoneless Год назад +2

      Yesss, a lot of people were upset that Namor got to live, but honestly it was the only choice, if she were to go against the good that she and her family are, it would have resulted in a endless war that wakanda would have lost

  • @williamhu6941
    @williamhu6941 Год назад +68

    This movie was really amazing and really emotional at the same time. I started bawling my eyes out at the ending because I couldn’t hold back my emotions. I loved the dedication to Chadwick Boseman and it’s been such an emotional rollercoaster I’ve seen in a long time.

  • @MontgomeryWenis
    @MontgomeryWenis Год назад +29

    No, M'Baku was eating a carrot. They're vegetarians. He mentioned that in the first movie.

  • @edpotter1170
    @edpotter1170 Год назад +16

    Has no one ever mentioned how that scene where Shuri told Namor "vengence has consumed us" was literally what T'challa said to Zemo, and when she told him to "yield" for his people, that's T'challa telling M'baku to yield for the Jabari.

    • @TajimaMunenori
      @TajimaMunenori 9 месяцев назад

      She always talked about learning feom her brother.

  • @johnmillssr8001
    @johnmillssr8001 Год назад +40

    For context: Shari was never kidnapped she requested to see namor

    • @fajarkurniawan9434
      @fajarkurniawan9434 Год назад +1

      Requested by force that is😅
      Because in request : you can say no

    • @reynaldolorenzo8409
      @reynaldolorenzo8409 Год назад +16

      @@fajarkurniawan9434 Who forced her? Attuma, Namora and the others were there to kill Riri and Shuri is the one that didn’t wanted so she said to take her to Namor to see if they could work something out, nobody forced her.

    • @misternomad4338
      @misternomad4338 Год назад +13

      @@fajarkurniawan9434
      Force? Did you watch the movie? They weren't even there for them, they were there to "kill the scientist". Shuri wasn't having it bc the "scientist" is a kid so she requested to see namor.

  • @mageeaaron2624
    @mageeaaron2624 Год назад +36

    39:08 Hearing the word mutant in the MCU puts a huge smile on my face 😌

  • @valentinruiz3828
    @valentinruiz3828 Год назад +232

    If you haven't seen the two specials, both "Werewolf by night" and "the guardians of the galaxy holiday special" I recommend them, in opinion they were very good

    • @StanvilleBrown
      @StanvilleBrown Год назад +7

      Big Freaking Facts!

    • @eolsunder
      @eolsunder Год назад +21

      ms marvel wasn't bad either, She hulk you can skip not that good, but Valentin is right, werewolf and guardians was nice.

    • @mageeaaron2624
      @mageeaaron2624 Год назад +3

      Agreed!

    • @gabrielp9646
      @gabrielp9646 Год назад +9

      The two specials are the best MCU stuff since No Way Home...

    • @SandraMorris51
      @SandraMorris51 Год назад +7

      Those specials were both so good!

  • @tristancreed
    @tristancreed Год назад +9

    The ending felt so intimate with Shuri finding an actual semblance of peace. There was both closure and contentment. Her happy ending that her brother left her a nephew.

  • @apoorvsingh4459
    @apoorvsingh4459 Год назад +23

    Personally i thought Namor was a great character and villain/anti-hero and pretty close to Killmonger. I think his motivations were understandable from his point of view and him having no love for the surface world. He has a really close minded view of the surface world having not interacted with them at all, so he fears what they are capable of doing from what he remembers from the past. He doesn't trust them at all specially now when they had started exploring for vibranium. While waging a war against the surface world does sound outrageous he can go to any lengths to protect his people. Other than that, his action scenes were totally some of the coolest flying scenes in the mcu and totally badass. And the actor totally nailed the role too.
    Overall the movie was great and a top 10 mcu movie for sure

    • @alesipaulina
      @alesipaulina Год назад +2

      Yeees! I love Tenoch Huerta ♥️

  • @CaptainPikeachu
    @CaptainPikeachu Год назад +157

    While Phase 4 doesn’t have too many connective tissues everywhere, I think it’s important to note that not everything has to connect, so much of Phase 4 is about everyone just emotionally resetting after such a huge event and trying to figure how the world is and how they are. The plan isn’t so obvious but when you look at it big picture, this phase has always been about dealing with the aftermath and everyone is struggling with that grief and trauma in different ways and so has the world. That disconnected feeling is purposeful because everyone is kinda retreating to their own safe corners and trying to figure out where to go and how to carry on legacies of those they lost. It’s not so much course correction as the stories I think proceeding exactly as they wanted, Phase 4 was a little calm before the storm.
    Also I hope y’all get to check out the other shows and specials, because I think you’re missing out on a lot of fun, especially the talent that is Iman Vellani as Ms. Marvel.

    • @FranciscoHOS
      @FranciscoHOS Год назад +27

      Also phase 1 didn’t have as many connections to each other (just the movies from that phase) as people seem to think. Yes it culminated into one movie with the Avengers, but that isn’t necessary in phase 4. There’s so many more characters that putting them all together into one movie would be like Avengers Infinity War/Endgame level instead of Avengers 1 level in terms of number of characters. There’s plenty of connections already that tie the new characters with the existing ones. And we got plenty of sneak peeks into the obvious transition into the multiverse and Kang. People are just expecting phase 4 movies in a phase 1 esque phase.

    • @gdownard1
      @gdownard1 Год назад +5

      Phase Four is the most connected phase since phase 1…

    • @Cs-cp6vo
      @Cs-cp6vo Год назад +21

      Phase 4 is more of a cooling off period

    • @iraford5788
      @iraford5788 Год назад +3

      @@Cs-cp6vo yep exactly this.

    • @aaronbeatdown
      @aaronbeatdown Год назад +17

      It's funny because Marvel did what comics do in general. The story was mapped out to Phase 3. Not to say that they weren't doing things to prep coming phases, but it was all coming to a head. Afterwards though, they need to figure out what the next steps are, and they did what most comics do: They settle down and reestablish the character, they throw in some other characters for a different flavor. It's a soft reboot and meant to be a new jumping off point in a book as well as clear the table and begin to set the stage for what's coming next.
      It also drums up interest in what previously happened happened for the incoming viewers. I thought Captain America was white, why is he now black? Why is there another Hulk running around, and who is this younger looking Hulk dude? I thought Scar Jo was Black Widow?
      The problem is (and honestly it's probably a good problem for Marvel to have) they've gotten so big they're now almost in a place where it's fans/viewers vs. newcomers/people who may have seen a few. It's a better idea to soft reboot things and set new status quo so people to attempt to jump in, rather than the minimum barrier for entry is to go back and watch 23 movies.

  • @aaditkhan728
    @aaditkhan728 Год назад +9

    Correction:Two of namor's people got killed and if you read the comics,namor actually floods wakanda and wins,he can be a hero and a villain to everyone if it concerns his people,so I still like him.
    After all,he warned queen ramonda and she didn't listen,and above all that,she underestimated my boy namor.

    • @Cream-2128
      @Cream-2128 Год назад

      He flooded wakanda during avengers vs X-men and didn’t win he lost his Phoenix powers after that. Later on he pointed Thanos in the direction of wakanda.

    • @aaditkhan728
      @aaditkhan728 Год назад +1

      @@Cream-2128 like I said,he can be a hero or a villain if it concerns his people, although he's usually more of a villain in the comics,also
      What the hell are phoenix powers?

    • @Cream-2128
      @Cream-2128 Год назад

      @@aaditkhan728 he’s actually more on the heroes side more times than not but he’s more of an anti hero still. Defenders, avengers, X-men, Illuminati etc. he has been on all those hero teams at different stages. Hell he’s more of an asshole than a villain most times besides wakanda really. For a person that says if you read comics when Namor actually flooded wakanda it was apart of avengers vs X-men over the Phoenix force and Namor was apart of the Phoenix 5 that split the powers of the Phoenix after Tony split them trying to destroy the Phoenix.

    • @aaditkhan728
      @aaditkhan728 Год назад

      @@Cream-2128 I mean yeah ,it has been a while since I read Avengers vs X-Men,I'm actually reading more ultimate Marvel comics now,but yeah he is an asshole for sure yet he's so good at being one tbh(kinda like homelander).

  • @Giveuponyourdreamsanddie2
    @Giveuponyourdreamsanddie2 Год назад +12

    I love the little detail of Shuri's hair during the finale battle resembling Killmongers

  • @Maratonkata
    @Maratonkata Год назад +21

    I haven't even thought about more beautifull credit scene. The way the just ''recasted'' Chadwick, without actually doing it is so smart and beautifull. What a great move. I defiently loved it more than the first one. There were such a great scenes, beautifull moments, crying, joy, amazing soundtracks. Everything was on spot. Congrats to Ryan for directing and congrats to the whole cast as well. They did amazing. Shuri ate the role too. Peak movie!

    • @pleezahful
      @pleezahful Год назад +3

      someone gets it! I think this was the best way to re-cast without being disrespectful.. some folks so blinded they don't see what the mcu did

    • @livelovelife32
      @livelovelife32 Год назад +1

      Yes I noticed it as well! That was a VERY smart recast. I don't think many people have caught on surprisingly.

  • @thedarkknight2221
    @thedarkknight2221 Год назад +65

    My mother died from similarly to Chadwick Boseman from complications from cancer a few years ago, and like Chadwick she kept the fact that she knew she was dying from us until a couple days before she died. So it was very hard to watch this movie, not just because of my mother, but because Chadwick Boseman and the character of T’Challa are my heroes.
    But it was still a beautiful and cathartic movie to watch. And coming out of the theater I met a family of 10 black people who like me were wearing all white out of respect for Chadwick and T’Challa, we talked about how much we loved the movie and afterwards they let me take a picture of them with their phone in front of the Wakanda Forever poster. One of the most beautiful and cathartic nights of my life.
    As for the story itself, I loved it. People think that Namor is the villain but he’s not. The real villain is white, European imperialism. Throughout history European empires plundered other nations for either resources or for slaves. Even though it’s 2023 it’s absolutely believable that either Russia, China or the U.S. would look for any excuse to dismantle non hostile nations just to rob them of their resources. The Contessa herself is a perfect example, she’s practically salivating at the idea of America owning all the vibranium in Wakanda. Everything Namor did was because he wanted to prevent what has happened throughout human history to happen to Talocan.
    And I still cry my eyes out at the end with T’Challa’s son telling Shuri his real name. Rest In Power Chadwick.

    • @nicklopez8279
      @nicklopez8279 Год назад +6

      Rest in power to your mother aswell , I’m sorry for your loss

    • @thedarkknight2221
      @thedarkknight2221 Год назад +2

      @@nicklopez8279 thank you.

  • @Ghost8386
    @Ghost8386 Год назад +31

    Fantastic movie and an excellent tribute to Chadwick Boseman. The phrase "Imperius Rex" seems to come mainly from Latin, which translates more literally as "Emperor King." In the Marvel comics, this is Namor's familiar battle cry, which he often utters during big fights. Namor is an Anti-Hero. In fact, Namor is often best described as an anti-hero in Marvel Comics. Namor was created by Bill Everett in Marvel Comics #1 in 1939 as an anti-hero who deeply resented the surface world for polluting the oceanic world in which he lived.

  • @charysmaalvarez8057
    @charysmaalvarez8057 Год назад +12

    I actually think it’s a common misconception because of the wording from Namor but I love that their cultures are so different that when he kills the Queen he thinks Shuri is the Queen now but the elders are the ones arguing who will be instated as their leader

    • @livelovelife32
      @livelovelife32 Год назад +3

      I think people are confused as well. The trial by combat is for the throne and not to become black panther. Though they can't be blamed for their confusion. Normally the black panther IS the King.

  • @fallingawayfromthenorm
    @fallingawayfromthenorm Год назад +36

    I cried majority of this film the two times I’ve seen it. Chadwick was the celebrity whose death hit me very hard, which was surprising to me because Black Panther was the only film I’d seen of him at the time of his passing, so a lot of tears were shed because of how hard his loss has been for me. Also as a Colombian, Namor’s backstory brought up a lot of painful feelings about the colonization of my Indigenous ancestors by conquistadors and missionaries.

    • @JTheVisionaryVA
      @JTheVisionaryVA Год назад +3

      I'm Puerto Rican and feel the same way about Namor. I identify strongly with my African and indigenous ancestry but reconciling it with my Spanish blood and appearance is hard

    • @jlinus7251
      @jlinus7251 Год назад

      I'm Indian but I don't really see why any modern person has to feel bad about what their ancestors did. It's not like I harbour any hatred for current modern day British for colonising us. Seems really odd to feel guilt for something no one did in current day.

  • @ljpaba3672
    @ljpaba3672 Год назад +8

    Namor has the deep sea suits because they killed those people who were looking for vibranium at the beginning of the movie

  • @divinemusa8731
    @divinemusa8731 Год назад +9

    31:20 this has to be one of my favorite scenes in the movie. Her performance was amazing and she made me care more for her character than I originally thought I would

  • @ThoseHorrorPalsNJ
    @ThoseHorrorPalsNJ Год назад +4

    "Vengeance has consumed us, we can't let it consume our people" was such a brilliant callback to T'Challa's Civil War arc. The notion of giving Shuri a mirror to his journey as her arc in this film was a strong one.

  • @antwany4149
    @antwany4149 Год назад +13

    Considering all the obstacles this movie had going against it, the movie is a huge achievement. It's a really good sequel.

  • @michelledion8847
    @michelledion8847 Год назад +6

    Shuri getting a nephew…really touched me. She had lost everything and then gained everything. Can’t wait to see how the story unfolds. Still a damn shame that Chadwick passed and suffered so young ;(

  • @antoineporche-rideaux4841
    @antoineporche-rideaux4841 Год назад +19

    ya'll could tell by letitia wright's performance that she and chadwick had the closest relationship like a big brother lil sister one and his death hit her extremely hard

  • @1243fad
    @1243fad Год назад +9

    Two facts about the movie
    The voice of Grio, Shuri’s AI is actually Trevor Noah.
    The actress who plays Shuri Letitia Wright suffered an injury during that motorcycle chase scene when she fell she was in the hospital for three months .

  • @JoeArce210
    @JoeArce210 Год назад +10

    One of the coolest scenes has to be Shuri going to the ancestral plain, expecting to see her mother, but getting Killmonger was awesome to see

    • @ZackEEE
      @ZackEEE Год назад +1

      She didn’t expect to see her mother, only people who have consumed the plant would be in the ancestral plain. Her mother never consumed the plant

  • @KurseDHero
    @KurseDHero Год назад +7

    Atuma is such a badass, definitely a standout favorite of mine in this movie

  • @NicholasMcClure
    @NicholasMcClure Год назад +2

    When you realise that Namor's casual "or you could wear a suit - we have some" is talking about the suits from the two divers they just offed…

  • @jayzedd_
    @jayzedd_ Год назад +35

    M'Baku was eating a carrot. It was a reference to the false threat he made to Ross in the first movie

    • @mikelarsen5836
      @mikelarsen5836 Год назад +7

      Yeah, this reactor forgot that M'Baku actually said he and his people were vegetarian.

    • @bdimon80
      @bdimon80 Год назад +4

      Thank you for this comment cuz him calling it a whole sausage especially after you hear the snap of the carrot 🥕

  • @Narutoanime16g
    @Narutoanime16g Год назад +8

    The women cast members killed it they showed there acting chops this film 10/10 for me and the story was good we got more cultural stuff, politics, emotion and I'm glad namor didn't die cause I want to see more of his Atlantis in marvel its awesome! And the fight scenes were shot well and the music hit

  • @eazyruthless
    @eazyruthless Год назад +2

    The “Bury your dead. Mourn your losses. You are queen now” was so tuff for some reason.

  • @Humanipathic
    @Humanipathic Год назад +8

    This film is a masterpiece. Needed every second of it to tell. Top 5 MCU film.

  • @JordanCesaroni93
    @JordanCesaroni93 Год назад +41

    Cool! I was wondering if you two would react to this. Very good sequel. Angela Bassett deserves an Oscar for her fine performance.

    • @jennysutton7409
      @jennysutton7409 Год назад +2

      She is an amazing actress in everything she does and yes I agree she should be nominated for an oscar for her preformence here.

    • @gracegreen1859
      @gracegreen1859 Год назад +1

      @@jennysutton7409 she is already nominated so now she just needs to win

    • @jennysutton7409
      @jennysutton7409 Год назад +1

      @@gracegreen1859 Well that's good to know and hopefully she will win cause she deserves it

  • @johnsonpasoquin3846
    @johnsonpasoquin3846 Год назад +5

    The King died with a fire explosion while his son was there. The Queen died with a water explosion while her daughter was there.

    • @misternomad4338
      @misternomad4338 Год назад +1

      Mmm... Don't know if that was intentional but that is a good find.

  • @qwirt909
    @qwirt909 Год назад +5

    The fact that T’Chaka died from flames and Ramonda died from water was just sad

  • @berliandivaaulia3995
    @berliandivaaulia3995 Год назад +11

    I've cried like 15 times because of this movie😭😭😭

  • @pinkiepiereincarnate2291
    @pinkiepiereincarnate2291 Год назад +5

    Immediately became one of my favorite movies so happy you're reacting to it🥳🥳🥳

  • @gpechp6942
    @gpechp6942 Год назад +9

    Just a quick hidden tip the Siren song was based on the Shanty tune , if you go back and watch it again it was palying long before you noticed but because is was the Shanty song our brains accepted it so quickly no one notices until its taking over . Ludwig Goreson nailed this soundtrack , Its beautiful the amount of research and effort they put into the care of this movie

  • @KennieThAnseiJrUndertaker2
    @KennieThAnseiJrUndertaker2 Год назад +7

    Hey guys I'm proud to watch your reaction to Wakanda forever Your reaction together was fantastic truly Love every single moment 💜💜💜

  • @mikelarsen5836
    @mikelarsen5836 Год назад +9

    Killmonger and Namor have a lot in common.

  • @CoolDee933
    @CoolDee933 Год назад +2

    Also for Namor, he was sometimes a hero and villain, marks him an anti-hero. And he's one of the original character in marvel history, alongside Captain America.

  • @maddiesousa1052
    @maddiesousa1052 Год назад +5

    The Atlanteans and Atlantis are in the comics, and Namor is considered the first mutant in Marvel. He is the son of an Atlantean princess and human sailor, making him a 'half-breed'. He is a child of both worlds, hence why he can breathe on land and underwater, and doesn't turn blue when deprived of oxygen. They utilized mesoamerican culture and mythology for the Atlanteans, including their capital city of Talokan (Tlālōcān, protected by the Aztec rain deity Tlāloc, paradise for all who died through drowning or lightning, or as a consequence of diseases associated with the rain deity), they spoke yucatan mayan, and referred to Namor as k'uk'ulkan (yucatan mayan deity known as the feather serpent god). Namor is best described as an anti-hero, as his moral alignment has shifted for decades from being a hero to a villain, usually due to his disdain of air breathers.
    The talokanil with feathers in her hair is Namora, Namor's cousin, who is also canon. The larger warrior with the hammerhead shark skull is Attuma, who is considered a villain in the comics. They may play it out that Attuma separates himself from Namor and becomes the bad guy post-Wakanda Forever, but his involvement is sorf of vague. The wings on Namor's ankles are canon and considered part of his mutation. Namor calling himself a mutant confirms the X-Men in the MCU, which Namor is sometimes affiliated with in the comics. I love what they did with Namor, giving that culture preresentation for a character who has so much potential. I am really happy how they did the Atlanteans/Talokanil justice!

  • @drepdrained
    @drepdrained Год назад +13

    both specials are amazing, werewolf by night is a stellar standout in my opinion

  • @rolahalabi5820
    @rolahalabi5820 Год назад +1

    I cried in the beginning and at the end! Showing his scenes and pictures during a moment of silence was amazing and respectfully done for such an iconic character and a great actor! RIP Chadwick Bozeman, you will always be wakanda forever!

  • @javel5121
    @javel5121 Год назад

    A phrase I never thought I would hear in life "good luck flying with a one-winged foot" lmao!!!

  • @Iamthatbit--
    @Iamthatbit-- Год назад +2

    Congrats, you guys are the quickest to appear in my subscription box with a reaction to Black Panther 2! I subscribe to lots of reactors and I believe you are first!

  • @jeffm9481
    @jeffm9481 Год назад +4

    Namor logic is similar to Magneto's, seeing everyone else as a enemy and ready to bring the war out to them

  • @Somebodythatoverthinks
    @Somebodythatoverthinks Год назад +4

    Namor felt like a misunderstood villain he had his losses and responsibilities as well just like shuri which lead him to his decisions.

  • @4000mack
    @4000mack Год назад +2

    Love the channel 💯 I remember one reaction where he was like when we have kids.. her reaction was priceless like I ain't having no babies 😂😂. Get those kids in early guys

  • @edwardwilliams2438
    @edwardwilliams2438 Год назад +1

    Kudos!! Nice reaction! You kids have a great chemistry.

  • @LanaFromHawaii808
    @LanaFromHawaii808 Год назад +6

    I’ve been reading comics since I was 8 and Eternals was everything I ever wanted in a live adaptation from comic to film… it saddens me when ppl throw hate at it… however I did feel multiverse of madness and love and thunder we’re underwhelming

    • @misternomad4338
      @misternomad4338 Год назад +3

      I love Eternals. One of the best films of phase 4.

    • @Cream-2128
      @Cream-2128 Год назад

      Eternals was very good besides they kind of underpowered a few of them and didn’t include their actual leader.

  • @Prince_Trunks1994
    @Prince_Trunks1994 Год назад +8

    I thought you guys had stopped reacting to marvel. This is awesome!

  • @certainzee
    @certainzee Год назад +6

    I feel like Dr.Strange/Wong and Valentine seem to be the primary connectors in phase 4. They appear the most across different movies/shows. You could even throw in Bruce as well.

  • @mageeaaron2624
    @mageeaaron2624 Год назад +10

    This movie was amazing! Love every second of it! I had to hold in my tears in the theater and let it out at home. Regardless, hope you two like it! 🙏🏽

  • @jamaalellison3076
    @jamaalellison3076 Год назад +8

    The beauty about taking a break from marvel is that when you're ready to pick up the game again everything you've missed the Disney Plus shows are still all the app. There's lots of great content Ms Marvel for example. As far as Namor goes I could watch his fighting scenes all day.

  • @damaribrackett1159
    @damaribrackett1159 Год назад +3

    WHOA THIS IS A LONGER EPISODE THNAK YOU

  • @Huntress59
    @Huntress59 Год назад +5

    I thought at the beginning that Shuri and Namor would have had a thing. They had wonderful chemistry. That was a missed opportunity

    • @reynaldolorenzo8409
      @reynaldolorenzo8409 Год назад +3

      They cut that from the movie but supposedly they were supposed to like each other.

  • @theaterkween5791
    @theaterkween5791 Год назад +4

    I think what’s great about phase 4, personally, is that at face value it’s not all connected. They’re telling stories to set up things in the future, very similar to how Phase One did. The thing is, I think the stories are way more connected than we currently know at the moment, and that there’s going to be more information in Quantumania that shows us the piece we were missing. Maybe not everything is super connected, but there’s patterns that can be spotted. So, even though it’s not perfect, I’ve mostly enjoyed phase 4

  • @Bossko.Mafana
    @Bossko.Mafana Год назад +8

    They were NEVER going to follow through with the iron heart because of the fact the she is just a kid so either way, he was gonna show up to Wakanda anyway. All he wants to do is protect his people and T'chala did what he felt was right by opening up Wakanda to the world. He didn't even know Talocan existed. None of them did. It's just an unfortunate how it panned out...but it all worked out at the end.

  • @EX7EVEN
    @EX7EVEN Год назад +2

    Thanks god you gave an explanation at last to why no MCU content, you were always up to date back then, it was driving me crazy in the back of my mind. Thank you, one less thing to think about.

  • @LeeCarlson
    @LeeCarlson Год назад +7

    One of the things that you missed by skipping Ms. Marvel was the first use of the term "mutant" in the MCU (complete with a musical stinger from the animated X-Mes series)

  • @akzone45
    @akzone45 Год назад +3

    Namor isn't a villain, he told Wakanda what he wanted and what would happen, he warned them MULTIPLE times. Blood for blood needs to happen. Namor us an Icon for us mexican natives now

  • @SpencerHopeful
    @SpencerHopeful Год назад +5

    You two are the FIRST to say that Namor started all of this. Everybody else is blaming Wakanda because of the death. Namor came in hot, to begin with. How was the Queen supposed to trust that Shuri was safe? Thanks you two. I knew I wasn't the crazy one!

  • @antzvoli4577
    @antzvoli4577 Год назад +6

    I didn't have any of the complaints U guys had with the movie I loved it and it's in my all time top 5 for the MCU. I didn't feel it was long and I was fully connected with it. Some of the fight choreography on the boat couldn't been better but though all 3 acts of the movie were all very strong! Huge fan of this movie!!!

  • @mageeaaron2624
    @mageeaaron2624 Год назад +8

    1:27:05 This scene put a huge smile on my face!

  • @etonicedits
    @etonicedits Год назад +7

    One of the best marvel movies of all time, in my opinion

  • @baby-girl07s4
    @baby-girl07s4 Год назад +2

    This movie was really good action pack. Love it that after given in to vengeance to finally come to an understanding of they can help each other. Together they would be a mighty force against anyone coming to take the vibranium.❤️💪🏾

  • @acereporter73
    @acereporter73 Год назад +1

    The silent opening credits... that got me.

  • @tomselleck6341
    @tomselleck6341 Год назад +2

    I don't know how people are comparing this movie to other marvel movies. This movie was a stand alone and felt like it had nothing to do with the Marvel universe! I didn't love the music but totally enjoyed the movie and give it a 9 out of 10.

  • @TheBlond49
    @TheBlond49 Год назад +10

    Namor rocked

    • @misternomad4338
      @misternomad4338 Год назад +3

      Hell yeah! The whole Talocan people were my favorite part of the movie. They looked cool as hell.

    • @merariortez8906
      @merariortez8906 Год назад

      @@misternomad4338 yup I hopefully they make a movie about him

  • @tenfold9769
    @tenfold9769 11 дней назад

    Definitely shed tears watching this a proud Aboriginal, Torres strait Island, Fijian, Jamaican, Australian man from Australia oldest culture on earth felt heart ache in watching this especially cause Chadwick was such a talented gem even cried crocodile tears for the first movie, lots & lots of tragic sad moments in MCU but both black Panthers just hit extraordinarily hard 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙆🏽‍♂️😔😢

  • @MichaelAury
    @MichaelAury Год назад +2

    Yall treating the bombs like water balloons when it's highly pressurized water

  • @CoolDee933
    @CoolDee933 Год назад +2

    It’s about time u guys got back to the mcu reaction, it’s been a while since y’all did some mcu projects. Plus that was good, did really good honoring Chadwick’s legacy.

  • @tombstone9976
    @tombstone9976 Год назад +2

    Great reaction 🙌

  • @thewrongvine
    @thewrongvine Год назад +1

    Anthony's the only person I've seen smiling during serious death scenes lol...

  • @ciavasquesholder4108
    @ciavasquesholder4108 Год назад

    Agreed with this assessment. New subscriber ❤

  • @christophercruz6708
    @christophercruz6708 Год назад +2

    When M'baku was crunching on something in the throne room, it was a carrot. Its because in the first he said his people were vegetarians after he threatened to have his children eat the agent

  • @anthonywilliams5475
    @anthonywilliams5475 Год назад +3

    We are spoiled from phase 3 because it's crazy you said you want connectivity when in the beginning of phase 3 we had know idea the scale of connectivity thru all the marvel movies
    That being said let's just enjoy the ride

  • @auburnmann3630
    @auburnmann3630 Год назад +6

    Best acting in Phase 4

  • @djnavarro3212
    @djnavarro3212 Год назад

    I’m glad you two liked how they honored Chad. I cried when they honored and mentioned him

  • @johnpittsii7524
    @johnpittsii7524 Год назад

    Hope you two are having an great and awesome weekend ❤️

  • @blackkatt777
    @blackkatt777 Год назад +2

    MARVEL phase 4 was about trauma and mental health, which I think was perfect for when it started, beginning from the start of the pandemic.
    All those shows were focused on grief and the trauma these characters were going through.
    Ms. Marvel was probably the first breath of fresh air from the theme of phase 4, with useful wonder and a chance to experience a different culture within the MCU.
    Talocan's vibranium hit ocean and adapted to some ocean blue rock...so theirs is the color blue.
    Wakanda's is purple. Two different types so the ocean one turned them blue and changed their bodies to only breath in water...except for Namor.
    Shuri's suit had both her brother's silver or white gold, Eric's gold and Shuri's dotted war paint in her helmet and throughout her suit. It's a merge of the 3.
    Queen Ramonda was going to tell Shuri about T'challa's son when Namor came to them.
    Shuri doesn't want the royal mantle because she prefers to be the same as before plus the mantle of BP protector.
    It is the same as her father and brother.
    I 1000% disagree with you about Dr. Strange 2 and Wandavision. I thought it was different because of Sam's direction of style he did for the film.
    It showed the villainous nature of the Scarlet Witch like she would be in the comics...crazy, dangerous and obsessed. She was part of her father's (Magneto) brotherhood of villains.
    Wandavision introduced us more to the character and the trauma and character development she went through, as well as some background info on how her and Vision got to how they were in Infinity War.
    It introduced us to an origin story for Monica who will be a Captain Marvel of her own, but for now will wear her mother's pilot fighter code name "Photon" I really hate that name and think her other alias name Spectrum would be better, until she gets to be Captain Marvel herself.

  • @basicsimp8798
    @basicsimp8798 7 месяцев назад +1

    Valentina is proof that Namor's fears are right.

  • @captainspike1913
    @captainspike1913 Год назад +2

    1:24 Wakanda Forever was the last movie of phase 4, but the last project was the guardians holiday special

  • @ziridestaudios
    @ziridestaudios Год назад +2

    This movie was great in my eyes, but I could feel Chadwick's absence in the most heartbreaking way. I wrestled with watching this movie for the longest time because I wasn't sure if I'd like the direction they took it, but they definitely made the right call. Well done to the filmmakers

    • @livelovelife32
      @livelovelife32 Год назад +2

      I feel like the viewer was supposed to miss Chadwick's black panther in this movie. You could see even in the decisions his mother made how T'Challa would have moved differently. I also liked how realistic it was that even though she gained the abilities of the black panther that Shuri is shown as not that good at fighting and up until the end wasn't that good at leading. She was never trained to be leader of her people nor did she receive the physical training of her brother. That complete ass whooping she got was very realistic.

  • @dorathedestroyer4081
    @dorathedestroyer4081 Год назад +3

    they weren't hypnotised by the siren song because they wore earplugs

  • @parkmojo6168
    @parkmojo6168 Год назад

    From what I learned from the wiki is that whoever drink from the heart shape plant/Blue Plant can feel the vibranium that's why the talokan can feel if there's something wrong on the surface, because the surface dweller will try to find and take a vibranium, or something like that.

  • @jomarfelisilda9679
    @jomarfelisilda9679 Год назад

    namors flying pattern is dope af. he's like stepping on some invisible platform while flying.