"I don't want to get better. I don't want to forget." Then I am sorry Hatice but you're on your own. As much as it pains me to say it, you can't help a person who doesn't want to be helped
I know that pain all too well. My mother was an alcoholic, and me and my sister tried for years to get her to quit and get help. The longest she managed was about 3 years before she started drinking again. It got to the point she was having drinks in the morning after getting out of bed. We would constantly argue with her about how she was killing herself with drinking so much. But she kept saying 'She was an adult and she can do whatever she wants'. 3 years ago she passed away from liver failure due to excessive drinking. Leaving me and my sister to pick up the pieces of unsolved debt, unpaid medical bills and a bunch of other things. I'm not sure about my sister, but I hold an extreme amount of resentment and anger towards her. I wonder why I wasted so much time on trying to help her when she made it clear she didn't want to get help. I had to give up college, my ambitions and get a crappy job (which I have since left) to take care of her when she fell ill.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl I am sorry that you and your sister had to go through that kind of life. I hope that you'll be able to put your life back together and live it the way you'd like
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl I couldn't imagine that there's something we have in common. Especially not a thing like this. For my mother went through a similar story. You see, my mother wasa sweet person. I don't doubt that she loved us. Granted, she was strict but I was waving it off, thinking that she just wants to ensure that nothing bad is going to happen. She broke up with my dad when my sister and I were 10-11 years old. And over the following years, she started sinking further and further in despair. Her former husband had to go to Germany in order to sustain our family. My sister was growing more and more defiant at every possible opportunity. And finally, there was me. I was having troubles at school (I was one of the best students but I had bullies picking up on me at every possible opportunity. Not even on our home we could be left at peace). Eventually, she turned to alcohol in order to put her problems aside. Even for a little while. It reached the point, where she was drinking every day. She didn't take it as far as to begin drinking once she was awake, but to see her in close proximity to a bottle of wine or some beers when I was returning from school was a sight my eyes were well accustomed to. My sister had practically given up on her. She was dealing with this situation by ignoring it, whenever she and our mother weren't fighting. I tried to talk some sense into her. Only to get scoffed at. "You don't get to tell me that I have a drinking problem. You can't judge me. And if you don't like what I am doing, you're free to go to Germany and your father. If I don't send you to him first." She was growing more and more desperate to remain at the top of the family household. It was like she was becoming someone else when she was drunk and she was meeting defiance. She was grabbing me by the chin (a gesture I really hate and she knew it). She was belittling me whenever I wasn't taking her side on things ("you are no son of mine") and she was outright threatening to send me to my father. "You can't compete with me. I hold all the cards. Without me, you're nothing. No source of income. No allies. Your own father wants nothing to do with you. If he loved and cared for you as you want to believe, he'd have taken you with him. Or at least make sure that you're cared for. But he never did. And the moment the opportunity to get rid of you presented itself, he grabbed it." It was so hurtful. And the worst part; When sober, she was regretting what she had said and she was apologizing. Only for the circle to begin anew a few days later. Finally when my sister and I were 17, she went to the hospital. She went through a surgery for her stomach (she always had a wound there, but years of constant drinking had worsened its condition). She did get out but a month later...she died. Our aunts and teachers took us in and looked after us, until our father can return and gets settled in with us. And he's not whatever my mother tried to make me think he is. Sure, he wants to get his way, he is crude and has a temper, but he's good natured. We had our difficult moments. But we managed. I finished the university in 4 years and I am on a post graduation project, while my sister has started a family of her own. But I still think of my mother. A part of myself is very angry at her and her domineering attitude. Of how she practically given up on herself. But another part of myself still remembers her as a loving caring mother who tried her best but got crushed under the pressure. And another feels guilt. I want to believe that if I had acted sooner... perhaps I could have saved her.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl perhaps that can explain the empathy and the affection I have for Hatice. Granted, many of the things she said and done, find me at odds with. And there are sometimes that I wish I could smack her at the back of her head and give her a piece of my mind. But I just can't see her as an evil person. Pained, confused, naive, crushed under the circumstances sure. But not evil
Losing love must be very hard. For Hurrem, love was also the meaning of all life. As she said, if there is no love, then Hurrem is not. And she was ready to die, even if Suleiman just stopped loving her. Love is a lot. True love is not only and not so much joy and happiness as experience, anxiety, fear of loss, pain and suffering. Kesem said that after the death of Ahmed, she realized that love is also death.
Looks like the only thing that made Hatice leave was the threat to lose her children. Too bad she didn't bother to become a mother and a father for them afterwards
@@katarinasvensson9801 certainly. Hatice was too far gone in her vendetta against Hurrem to actually bother paying attention to them. This negligence is what I can't and I will not forgive about Hatice. And honestly, if I were child service I'd see to it that Huricihan and Osman were removed from Hatice's custody at once. She doesn't ensure their safety. She doesn't check their physical, mental and emotional health/growth. She doesn't oversee their education. She doesn't arrange for playmates. She promptly shuts down any positive influence that might contradict her own (Hursev Pasha). Nothing. She does nothing.
Neither Valide nor sisters and Mahidevran understood this. Only Ibrahim did, to be fair to him. That is why he planned to attack her after Suleiman's death, not earlier.
Please Hatice, go. For the sake of your mental health and for the sake of your own children. Hatice: Noo, i dont care about my children i just gave birth to them to keep Ibrahim in the house, i just want to cry like a little baby all the time and i want to be the only victim here and i want to blame Hurem for everything, and i want to act like a pure psycho until i don’t kill myself, no one will stop me.
@Leo Beyhan was the most straight forward sister of Suleyman. Even when Suleyman ordered the execution of her beloved, she at least didn't went mental and Jack Torrance crazy like Hatice did when Suleyman ordered Ibrahim's execution 🤣🤣. She would also smack her sisters with some really harsh truths 😁
@Leo certainly. I'd love seeing her trying to rein in her more quarrelsome sisters. Especially Hatice. Hatice might actually bother with listening to Beyhan. After all, she trusts Beyhan. She knows that Beyhan loves her and has her best interest at heart. Unlike Sah, who puts her own agenda before whatever care and affection she has for Hatice
@@martinlopez2816 we should have seen more of Beyhan. I'd love to see her trying to rein in her sisters. Or what kind of relationship she has with Hurrem and Mirimah
What i don't understand is how she still loves Ibrahim despite he threatened regarding her own brother throne,acting as if ibrahim is the most powerful one, cheated on her to the point having a kid with his mistress and lied to her face so many times. That is not love. That's just pure foolishness. She wishes for day dream-like love fantasy relationship when she's been told that dream its over already after she 'humiliated' Ibrahim for him not serving the Dynasty properly, striking his ego as a husband and her partner. But honestly, all of the women in this series suffer alot from their SO unfaithfulness despite how these women have everything and gave them everything. N yet the men still cheated and make them cried alot even knowing what they did will only hurt their loved ones.
Hatice it's your fault You was hurrem slave That's her thank you to you That's how you pay for not hearing the warnings That's how you pay fir not standing behind your husband as any supportive wife
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Ibrahim cheted Hatice and had a child wt other woman out of a wedlock. She can just forget abt it and became revenge over Ibrahim’s death. She is blind or what??
"I don't want to get better. I don't want to forget."
Then I am sorry Hatice but you're on your own. As much as it pains me to say it, you can't help a person who doesn't want to be helped
I know that pain all too well. My mother was an alcoholic, and me and my sister tried for years to get her to quit and get help. The longest she managed was about 3 years before she started drinking again. It got to the point she was having drinks in the morning after getting out of bed. We would constantly argue with her about how she was killing herself with drinking so much. But she kept saying 'She was an adult and she can do whatever she wants'. 3 years ago she passed away from liver failure due to excessive drinking. Leaving me and my sister to pick up the pieces of unsolved debt, unpaid medical bills and a bunch of other things.
I'm not sure about my sister, but I hold an extreme amount of resentment and anger towards her. I wonder why I wasted so much time on trying to help her when she made it clear she didn't want to get help. I had to give up college, my ambitions and get a crappy job (which I have since left) to take care of her when she fell ill.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl I am sorry that you and your sister had to go through that kind of life. I hope that you'll be able to put your life back together and live it the way you'd like
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl I couldn't imagine that there's something we have in common. Especially not a thing like this.
For my mother went through a similar story. You see, my mother wasa sweet person. I don't doubt that she loved us. Granted, she was strict but I was waving it off, thinking that she just wants to ensure that nothing bad is going to happen.
She broke up with my dad when my sister and I were 10-11 years old. And over the following years, she started sinking further and further in despair. Her former husband had to go to Germany in order to sustain our family. My sister was growing more and more defiant at every possible opportunity. And finally, there was me. I was having troubles at school (I was one of the best students but I had bullies picking up on me at every possible opportunity. Not even on our home we could be left at peace).
Eventually, she turned to alcohol in order to put her problems aside. Even for a little while.
It reached the point, where she was drinking every day. She didn't take it as far as to begin drinking once she was awake, but to see her in close proximity to a bottle of wine or some beers when I was returning from school was a sight my eyes were well accustomed to.
My sister had practically given up on her. She was dealing with this situation by ignoring it, whenever she and our mother weren't fighting. I tried to talk some sense into her. Only to get scoffed at. "You don't get to tell me that I have a drinking problem. You can't judge me. And if you don't like what I am doing, you're free to go to Germany and your father. If I don't send you to him first."
She was growing more and more desperate to remain at the top of the family household. It was like she was becoming someone else when she was drunk and she was meeting defiance. She was grabbing me by the chin (a gesture I really hate and she knew it). She was belittling me whenever I wasn't taking her side on things ("you are no son of mine") and she was outright threatening to send me to my father.
"You can't compete with me. I hold all the cards. Without me, you're nothing. No source of income. No allies. Your own father wants nothing to do with you. If he loved and cared for you as you want to believe, he'd have taken you with him. Or at least make sure that you're cared for. But he never did. And the moment the opportunity to get rid of you presented itself, he grabbed it."
It was so hurtful. And the worst part; When sober, she was regretting what she had said and she was apologizing. Only for the circle to begin anew a few days later.
Finally when my sister and I were 17, she went to the hospital. She went through a surgery for her stomach (she always had a wound there, but years of constant drinking had worsened its condition). She did get out but a month later...she died.
Our aunts and teachers took us in and looked after us, until our father can return and gets settled in with us. And he's not whatever my mother tried to make me think he is. Sure, he wants to get his way, he is crude and has a temper, but he's good natured.
We had our difficult moments. But we managed. I finished the university in 4 years and I am on a post graduation project, while my sister has started a family of her own.
But I still think of my mother. A part of myself is very angry at her and her domineering attitude. Of how she practically given up on herself. But another part of myself still remembers her as a loving caring mother who tried her best but got crushed under the pressure. And another feels guilt. I want to believe that if I had acted sooner... perhaps I could have saved her.
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl perhaps that can explain the empathy and the affection I have for Hatice. Granted, many of the things she said and done, find me at odds with. And there are sometimes that I wish I could smack her at the back of her head and give her a piece of my mind.
But I just can't see her as an evil person. Pained, confused, naive, crushed under the circumstances sure. But not evil
Losing love must be very hard. For Hurrem, love was also the meaning of all life. As she said, if there is no love, then Hurrem is not. And she was ready to die, even if Suleiman just stopped loving her. Love is a lot. True love is not only and not so much joy and happiness as experience, anxiety, fear of loss, pain and suffering. Kesem said that after the death of Ahmed, she realized that love is also death.
12:05 love how Suleiman stops Hurrem from leaving and makes Shah Huban speak. 😊
She's is a witch who destroyed the suleimen's family
@@Afrinsdairy true
Looks like the only thing that made Hatice leave was the threat to lose her children. Too bad she didn't bother to become a mother and a father for them afterwards
Yes this poor children
@@katarinasvensson9801 certainly. Hatice was too far gone in her vendetta against Hurrem to actually bother paying attention to them.
This negligence is what I can't and I will not forgive about Hatice. And honestly, if I were child service I'd see to it that Huricihan and Osman were removed from Hatice's custody at once.
She doesn't ensure their safety. She doesn't check their physical, mental and emotional health/growth. She doesn't oversee their education. She doesn't arrange for playmates. She promptly shuts down any positive influence that might contradict her own (Hursev Pasha). Nothing. She does nothing.
Best acting ever. These women deserve all awards.
Hurrem did everything to be friendly with Sah. But Sah threw first stone, surely she got payback as deserved! Hurrem!💜
Hurrem did threaten her when Lutfi got appointed grand vizier
Shah acting like the palace is her own was very immature and made no sense lol
@Leo plot armour
Hatice and Mahidevran always crying, complaining on Hurrem, being desperate 🙄🙄
Hatice can make anyone depressed. Her daily mood is 😞😞😞
Too bad they didn't have Zoloft back then.
Give this woman some xanax please
She lost her first husband, her second cheated on her and her brother chose a stranger over her. How would you feel?
@@geligniteandlilies I would feel like i need some kind of a mental help
@@geligniteandlilies she likes to conviently forget ibrahim cheated on her too buys trying to make a saint out of a man that wasnt lol
I like how Hürrem and Şah are openly 'friendly' with each other for now.
Shah started war with Hurrem when Hurrem welcomed her with open arms. Soon she will get her karma.
Sah sułtanka never love so she did not know how strong this feeling is. So she belive that Suleyman could be killed Hurrem
Neither Valide nor sisters and Mahidevran understood this. Only Ibrahim did, to be fair to him.
That is why he planned to attack her after Suleiman's death, not earlier.
Please Hatice, go. For the sake of your mental health and for the sake of your own children.
Hatice: Noo, i dont care about my children i just gave birth to them to keep Ibrahim in the house, i just want to cry like a little baby all the time and i want to be the only victim here and i want to blame Hurem for everything, and i want to act like a pure psycho until i don’t kill myself, no one will stop me.
Thank goodness Hurrem is strong!
At least Hatice have their children Ibrahim loved them so much they should have been a huge comfort to her
Gods, look how comfortable Sah has made herself in Hatice's palace. If that isn't usurpation then I don't know what is
@Leo oh yes. Gods, my respect for Beyhan grew even more that day. Go, Beyhan!
@Leo Beyhan was the most straight forward sister of Suleyman. Even when Suleyman ordered the execution of her beloved, she at least didn't went mental and Jack Torrance crazy like Hatice did when Suleyman ordered Ibrahim's execution 🤣🤣. She would also smack her sisters with some really harsh truths 😁
@Leo certainly. I'd love seeing her trying to rein in her more quarrelsome sisters. Especially Hatice.
Hatice might actually bother with listening to Beyhan. After all, she trusts Beyhan. She knows that Beyhan loves her and has her best interest at heart. Unlike Sah, who puts her own agenda before whatever care and affection she has for Hatice
@@martinlopez2816 we should have seen more of Beyhan. I'd love to see her trying to rein in her sisters. Or what kind of relationship she has with Hurrem and Mirimah
@Leo well, for starters, thaks a lot for the vote of confidence 🙂
What i don't understand is how she still loves Ibrahim despite he threatened regarding her own brother throne,acting as if ibrahim is the most powerful one, cheated on her to the point having a kid with his mistress and lied to her face so many times.
That is not love. That's just pure foolishness.
She wishes for day dream-like love fantasy relationship when she's been told that dream its over already after she 'humiliated' Ibrahim for him not serving the Dynasty properly, striking his ego as a husband and her partner.
But honestly, all of the women in this series suffer alot from their SO unfaithfulness despite how these women have everything and gave them everything.
N yet the men still cheated and make them cried alot even knowing what they did will only hurt their loved ones.
Exactly it was sickly obsession not love
Von Süleyman seine Schwestern waren voll neidisch eifersüchtig , auf hurrem das sie sich hoch gekämpft hat
I am no fan of Sha but at least she put her child first
Shah making same mistakes as Valide Sultan and lbrahim! Oh well! Another pigeon in palace 😂😂
Plot armor protects hatice here
Plot armour protects everyone lol.
@@hussainsultanzada6123 hatice here
Hatice is overreacting with ibrahim's death 😑
How could Nigar join Sha it was neither Hurrem or Rustem fault she lost her child
Why all this hatred against Hurrem Ibrahim and Hatice took her kid
What ever happened to Osman??
11:20 how fake Hurrem is
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Truel
So true **
Of course mahidevil is involved as always , I don't feel sorry for Mustafa, mahidevil proves in every episode that she will get what she deserve
А когда же кровожадная хюрем получит по заслугам
@@ИкЧп-ц7ч soon 😊
Of course you always stick your stupid nose where it doesn't belong and write the same comments non-stop in the comment section. What a pity..
@@gordanaterzic4121 I tell truths here
@@gordanaterzic4121 udo that
Was ist mit hatice. Sohn osmann ? Wo hatice verstorben ist ??
Shah is very beautiful
Hatice it's your fault
You was hurrem slave
That's her thank you to you
That's how you pay for not hearing the warnings
That's how you pay fir not standing behind your husband as any supportive wife
HI, I am SHOSSHO LOCCCO same H Jurassic, same Butterfly, same Abd El-Kabir, same Sally Lemon crying loud evrey day. I have more than 15 alt accounts and every week I take Hurrem’s fans names, using them for my fake accounts.
I know Hurrem was greatperson, great wife and great mother. She loves Soliman so much.
Don’t take me serious; I am JOKING, I havs personality disorder and TouretteSyndrome. I only want attentlon.
Hi I am SHOSSHOLOCCOO same MarissaKass, same StacyOliver same GünesÇelik, same AyşeNur. Don’t listen to me and to my faakey accounts. I am🤖
I know Hurrem was the best sultana, mother and she loved Sulyman the most…
Don’t listen to me, Iam only JOKING, I onlywant attletlion.
Hatice was obsessed with Ibrahim
omg the sultan cracks me up stop sending all your wife's enemies to manisa they are just going to come back lol
So Hatice is acting to grieve a man who was unfaithful. 😂
And he even betrayed her own brother and tried to act like sultan 🤣 But noo, Hurrem is guilty because Ibrahim became filthy and ambitious maniac 🤣
Ibrahim cheted Hatice and had a child wt other woman out of a wedlock. She can just forget abt it and became revenge over Ibrahim’s death. She is blind or what??