I got caught on the north York moors by the farmer. He came down to me and my 2 grand daughters on quad bikes with 2 others. When he saw that we weren’t a bunch of kids, he was lovely. He allowed us to stay “without permission “ to deter others and said if we set fire to the heather, we MUST go to the farm and report it. I gave him my word we wouldn’t light any fires and would go back to the road to use our trangia at breakfast. He was a lovely guy and extremely reasonable. Maximum Respect!!
just for clarification mind, a gun doesn't have to be pointed at you for it to be a threat. Essentially just even rolling up and having it visible can constitute a threat to use it.
You probably stood out easily in that red T-shirt Andy. Credit to you for keeping your cool and holding your hands up, literally. Better luck with your next camp.
As a land owner you wearing the bright coloured top is good,can stop you getting accidentally shot if you illigally on private land just remember there could be rabbit, deer or fox shooting going on fire breaks/roads are often used to shoot deer, and if your cammoed up then. you could end up collateral game, if you was behind the target and there couldn't see you, also people don't realise in places shooting or deer is a business and if you get in the way there will be pissed at you if your not supped to be there, stick the the paths, your not always allowed to camp on pathways I think in the uk any pathways, personally on my land if someone looked like there responsible number 1 by asking first im more likely to allow them to stay or suggest somewhere and would probably offer them fresh water maybe some food, but if your found set up thrown you take your chances, you may also not understand how you actions have impacted the land owners livelihood I see this from both points of view, I know some of you are not gonna like this and I don't give a shit if you do or not, but we are talking about reality here, also remember there is a lot of shooting at night for vermin (lamping) and green tents don't always show up in the background. and a .243 round whistling past you at 3250fps takes some stopping
I never camp in private woodland for this very reason, lots of people shoot in them or rear game. If there are public footpaths through woodland then its unlikely anyone will shoot there, you just have to use your common sense. England is so restricted and has a limited amount of access land, getting busted is always a risk we take when wild camping. Nice tent though.
I was raised in the countryside and often wondered why we don’t hear of more shooting of wild camper accidents, given the willingness of wild campers to settle down for the night in some hedge bottom and the routine habit of farmer’s sons and their mates to go out potting rabbits and game birds at night, not knowing wild campers are on their land! I urge wild campers to knock on a farmers door and ask if they can kip on his land of a night. Better than an accidental bullet in the head.
Well it's an offence Section 16A: it is an offence for a person to have possession of a firearm or imitation firearm with intent by means thereof to cause a person to believe that unlawful violence will be used against them or another, or with intent to enable another person by means thereof to do the same Farmer Giles will certainly have piles as its up to 10 years imprisoned. Doesn't matter one jot if he is on private land or trespassing on land. That's why farmers don't threaten people with shotguns. Look at the case of Ton Martin the victim was killed after he burgled his home. He went to prison for life for murder. He did three years after his appeal was accepted and was senteced to 5. So good luck farmer Giles playing stupid games you will be going to prison
I am in Scotland but have had both a gun pointed at me, later said just looking through their scope to get a better view of me, and also been in a wood where hunters were lamping at night where they basically drive around with a massive lamp to freeze game and then shoot it. Scary experiences and taught me even in Scotland with our much fairer laws towards access rights it's still best to say you are on someones land.
My experience of game keepers is that they always keep gun to hand, not miss an opportunity to dispatch vermin which may present itself. He did not point it at Simon and held his shotgun in a an appropriate and safe manner. Anyone who has experience of being in that situation would not see this as threatening. There would usually be indicators such as drinking and feeding stations in woodland that’s used for shooting. So should we not educate ourselves and especially in regards to shooting season dates. Less chance of being caught. Worked well for me so far
This is why when I go wild camping everything is camo…no tent just a camo basher with a cam net thrown over. No lights etc. I’ve had shooters walk past me within 5 metres and not seen me .ex military helps . In 38 yrs I think I was seen twice..so packed up and moved within 1 1/2 mins . Never confronted. Great video!
@ImaSMACKHEAD982 yeah Scotland have trespass laws under the trespass (Scotland) act 1865. People think because wild camping is legal that it means there's no trespass law's. As part of Scotland's access legislation, the land reform (Scotland) act 2003. You have the right to free roam and are allowed to camp on most unenclosed land.
@@0110Cryptic can I ask you a question since your from Scotland 🏴 I’m planning on doing the WHW and wondering when’s the best time of year to do it? I’m thinking spring time to maybe avoid the midgets 😅 I hear it gets very busy over the summer months. Many thanks
@foreverirish132 March, April, May, September, and October are the best months to avoid midges buddy. May is the most popular with walker's making accommodation and amenities availability more difficult.
@@0110Cryptic thank you so much for the reply 😊 I really appreciate it. I’m bringing my head net anyways 😅 but I’ll definitely take your advice 😊🏴 🇮🇪
I know a few land owners, so I love the wild camping but also know about the bad side of it! Like you say - it is difficult to find out who the land owners are and trust me, you are going to have to build a relationship with them before you get any sort of permissions. They have been blighted by fly tipping, people hare coursing and poaching. Little wonder they are not always friendly when they find someone on their land!
In what sense did you "nearly get shot"? Were you fired at? Were you even threatened with the firearm? That was clearly a silly place to wildcamp btw, and in broad daylight too... If you wish to continue unauthorised camping on not very wild land, you'd be well advised to go more stealthily, select your pitch more intelligently, don't erect your tent until just before dark, and have it taken down at dawn. Remember you're trespassing (whether you agree with the law or not is immaterial), and be cognisant of the kind of activities which managed farmland/woodland/moorland will host from time to time (top tip: the shooting season starts during August). Don't light a fire and don't cook at camp. That way, you should seldom encounter problems. At least you had the sense not to argue the toss with the landowner/agent.
The stalker / ranger was working. The guy said I was lucky not to get shot (through work, not confrontation). It was an hour before dark. Don’t forget I’m a RUclipsr and I need light to make a decent video. When I’m out not filming I’d never ever set up in a fire break.
I’ve always argued wild camping should be legal on common land , but I always loose the argument because too many people would ruin it for everyone else , and it’s true . My next plan was for the councils to have an experiment on a selected site . Love your videos thanks 👍🍻😁
My advise would be to look at countries with freedom to roam legislature and take inspiration from their laws when arguing your case! ^^ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam
I love wild camping in my campervan - and its a complete risk now in the UK - Scotland hate us owing to the actions of a minority, and other parts of the UK it is technically illegal and other people take it upon themselves to create problems for their own fun with people minding their own business. Sad state of affairs.
@@RannonSi …..thanks for reminding me, I’ve been walking my dogs along a field edge for 40 years and the young farm hands” now”keep trying to stop me now 😂
Tip to find the owner, just walk up to the nearest farm house and ask, if they aren't the owner they'll direct you to someone who can help. Always worth sweetening the proposition with an alcoholic bribe. If you want to use it more regularly. The guy in the suit is probably a client on the estate.
HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCE MANY YEARS AGO CAMPING IN WALES. TWO VERY HOSTILE BIG GUYS WITH SHOTGUNS AND A FKING HUGE DOG. THEY DEMANDED MONEY FOR TRESPASSING ON THEIR LAND. WHICH I REFUSED. THEY THEN AGGRESSIVELY ESCORTED ME OFF THEIR LAND. GOT BACK TO MY CAR WHERE LUCKILY I HAD A SPARE PAIR OF BOXERS.
I wild camp in a camo bivvy bag, and one of my worries is being run over early in the morning by a tractor or similar. Farmers around here are up before dawn.
I remember an "Estate" where I used to do overnights as I always checked with the gamekeeper etc went fine for ages, then I thought it would be a good place to use as a location for the National Geographics Preppers UK 2, once they got a sniff that it was for filming, they immediately went "£1200" please...never been back, I spent months trying to liaise with other farms/plantations but forever got embroiled with farmers/shoots, partridge man, land owner, Duchy of Cornwall, deer cull, it was stoooopid, so now so I use my mates place Daggerwood for £8 a night, not worth getting a bad rep as a knife maker...
There are always going to be people out shooting on privately owned land, even Forestry Commision woodland and land that has public rights of way running through it. People will be managing deer all year round, shooting foxes and rabbits. Be very careful where you camp. A lot of hunters use night vision and thermal imaging now. Im surprised there haven't been more accidents if i am honest
I'm so glad I live in Snowdonia, I always camp over 2000ft and well away from paths so have never had any bother, I'd be far too nervous to try camping somewhere like that with a risk of being caught and moved on, surprised by all the people going on about the gun though, when you live in the countryside chatting to someone with a rifle over their shoulder or cocked shotgun on their arm is just an everyday occurrence, I was walking though one of my neighbours fields the other week and him and a friend were shooting some of those high end air rifles you see them using in stuff like the Olympics, after a chat they even let me take a few shots! 🤣
More mute colours may have been a better option when doing a stealth camp. Don't need to mitty it up and go full camo but greens and browns can make you look more like one of the shooters than a bod looking to get their head down for the night.
You missed a trick from the off there Andy. Whilst talking to them you should have asked permission to stay. They even gave you the heads up about asking at the estate. Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Go back, you'll be amazed at how nice some people can be when asked AND you would be extra eyes and ears for them. Win Win. Don't ask Don't get.
Is there anyone/group or MPs (Ramblers Association perhaps ) lobbying for an Outdoor Access Code in England given there must be plenty of data on effects on environment and land ownership from the Scottish experience?
Ha ha brown trousers time! As a kid I went camping with a load of friends and we were shot at by some guys on the back of a pickup truck. Not sure if they were aiming at us or just trying to shoot rabbits, but we were running and ducking for cover regardless!
Pahaaa! Are you going to film the kit again Andy? Wouldn’t of hurt them to let you carry on! How did you explain it to the Mrs? Don’t let it put you off. Good film as always.
Looked to me very much like you pitched your tent on a game trail. Deeper in the forest would have been much more discrete but then again not the best when hunting is going on for obvious reasons. Late Summer into mid Autumn is by far the worst time for wild camping, lots of hunting, shooting, trail maintenance, midges and horse flies. A lot of shooting happens right beside (or sometimes over) public footpaths in the UK so it's no guarantee of safety. Normally they put out a few shooting/warning signs on the footpath.
I stopped filming when I could hear the car. I would do the same the same again. I wouldn’t want to antagonise land owners (although it’d make a great video 😂).
Oh that's a shame Andy! I camped in the ranges couple days ago and that was thrilling experience, I had to hide from constant military patrols and rangers, but all went well. Top tip - don't wear red if you don't want to be seen haha. My uncle owns some hunting woodland back in my country and they constantly check for poachers. As wild camping is legal in my country poachers do pretend to be campers as well till sun goes down. Sometimes they can attack you so I do understand those guys being aggressive in the beginning. Luckily all went well!
Looking back I obviously stood out a mile away but I wonder if I’d being wearing my Fjallraven gear maybe they would have taken it further or not calmed down as quickly 🤷🏻♂️
No fault or foul on the part of the landowner and his security team. They were looking out for your own safety given the property was open to hunting and shooting.
Hi Andy, that's a beautiful tent mate. Its huge. Always a risk wildcamping mate, I got caught by a farmer and I was worried but he just waved and went past. Phew!
Dartmoor is fine just stay in the purple areas. www.dartmoor.gov.uk/about-us/about-us-maps/camping-map www.gov.uk/government/publications/dartmoor-firing-programme/dartmoor-6-week-firing-notice-2-may-to-12-june-2022
To be fair, you’re usually ok in the National Parks if you’re high and out the way. You’re always at risk wild camping locally. However, hopefully this video shows that even when the worst happens you’re still ok.
@@BackpackingUKagreed, but the chance, even a very low chance, of having anything like this happen, will always put me off. Tories with guns telling me to F off would P me off too much.
Families who 'own' vast estates, who's ancestors literally stole through means of murder and violence. Yet people still choose to doff their caps. Glad you got out alive.
Why not let the dust settle - then go back, cap in hand, apologise again - and ask if they wouldn't mind you using the land occasionally for a local wild camp or for kit reviews for your channel. You never know!
You could use use the card that if you camp there then its another pair of eyes on the estate and that you would agree in advance when you are able to be on the land etc Also suggest to them that you would not mention the location ect in your videos. I think that as you behavd correctly when asked to leave that this will show your character to them, I think you may be in with a good shout @@BackpackingUK
I would've thought a shooting woodland would have some kind of sign or at least a fence off the walking trail that you seem to casually walk back on to... unless it was a private estate? If the latter I wouldn't go near initially, lol.
You seem to think that you are a criminal for wild camping, that the landowner would be justified in shooting you in the head. Even while you are leaving you seem scared that you might still get shot so keeping your voice down out of fear.
This is the problem with walking onto private land without permission. I wild camp but I speak to the land owner first. 10:12 99% percent of the time its a big yes know problem. Most have people shooting where I go but a quick call the day before insures there's nobody shooting while I'm there. Common sense really..
Wildcamping Stealthcamping ... Seriously they must have seen you entering there land dressed like a "RED COAT" fighting the Zulu's ... not alot of Stealth there ... but hey ho enjoyed the first part ... 😎
I have anxiety looking at your set up its that long grass you're on i dont feel comfortable on that idk why but it just wouldn't camp on that i prefer flat ground areass in the woods ,there is a good spot on a lake behind my old apt building way back in the woods i used to go too it is so beautiful back there
Good advice mate it happens get hold of the estate you may be lucky enough to get a spot on the estate just a tip from a shooter fire breaks are stripped to the ground but rides are set up between wooded areas with long grass for the deer and to give a clear shot have fun stay safe ,,,,mick
it has been known to happen about ten years ago a guy shot what he thought was a fox whilst doing lamb protection at night and hit a badger watcher who had no permission to be on the private land iv also had people in the danger areas of military ranges that i have run , never ignore the red flags they are there for a good reason, i love my wild camping and my tip is stick to common land as most councils are not to bothered about wild camping and dont have the resources to manage them @@BackpackingUK
If you want to camp freely ask a farmer if you can stop the night in his field. If you must camp wherever its not hard to camouflage a green tent and don't camp in the open.
Im from the Lakes district and I see this all the time, people camping on private land and then they get upset or try to involve the police when the land owner rocks up with his boys, dogs and brandishing an shotgun. They also always seem shocked when the police do arrive and they do nothing other than ask the land owner if they want to prosecute the trespassers 😂 After all you did just admit to commiting a crime. Thing is, if you look for the nearest farmhouse and ask permission or even slip them a tenner they 90% of the time will not only allow you to stay on their land, they will show you to a good spot, then politely ask if they want any money and most of them will decline but its nice to offer. The worst they can do is say no and even if they do they will likely tell you a place you can stay. Simple, no drama, everyones happy.
Definitely! Seen a few other comments saying they'd call the police if it was them, even though the law wouldn't have done a thing because the gun owners weren't threatening them with their guns. All that would've happened is the trespasser would've wasted police time, confessed to trespassing, and either have been sued for trespass (if civil) or prosecuted (if criminal). Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. lmao. Been wild camping a number of times in the Lake District. Absolutely stunning place. Locals never had much of a problem with campers for the most part, as long as you're not creating fires, being loud, and leaving a mess.
There was probably 3 of them just in case sometimes a shooter needs a witness because some people when they court on land they shouldn’t be on tell lies and say the man pointed the gun at me this is the problem. I’m a shooter and if I ever come across someone who should not be there my rifle is disarmed and put on my shoulder and then I start the conversation with said trespasser. Although I’m a shooter I do love wild camping to. To little land in the uk to many people in the uk
Often wonder why dont hear more fatalities from wild canpers in this country......farmers and landowners will often be out at night ......as they dont expect anyone there, you could get accidentslly shot or run over if staying in a green small tent or bivvy which not easily seen........ive even geard in America of people getting murdered while wild camping
Glad you got out of that alive. Must admit that's exactly the scenario i would dread the most about true wild camping. I have a couple of permission spots which are great, but some sort of sensible open access legislation (maybe even date-limited) would be a real step forward, assuming filthy scumbags don't spoil it for everyone. Unfortunately here in dear old England, every scrap of land *belongs* to someone and the landowners will always prevail. Vive la révolution?
You taking the piss? No farmer would shoot someone in the UK and risk losing their licence. Dogs yes. Humans no. Because that would be attempted murder.
Actually, your hyperbole aside, rather than it being a ridiculous notion that "the law was created for landowners..." Mr Bardell has correctly identified the problem--a lot of campers--enough to ruin it for everyone--do not treat the campsites respectfully @@DemiGod..
Not exactly wearing stealth colours for a wildcamp on a place you shouldn't. Pitch late, pack up early is the rule when camping in a place you shouldn't be..basics really.
It was an hour before dark. Don’t forget I’m a RUclipsr and I need light to make a decent video. When I’m out not filming I’d never ever set up in a fire break (or wear red t-shirts 😂).
There’s a way to communicate with people and the way he did that was not it. If I was the land owner, it would have been obvious to me that you didn’t know it was hunting land and it would have been obvious that you weren’t there to make a mess or do any harm. You handled that well, which is understandable when one of them had a gun. 😆 Glad it panned out okay. 👍🏻
@@BackpackingUK It's owned by people but not 'The People' because we still value the rights of private citizens, at least for the time being; even if such rights are slowly being eroded.
Wait woah no I’m so sorry this lesson happened to you glad you’re alive also wait a minute though I thought U.K. doesn’t have guns 😩 and you weren’t allowed guns into the country I knew it my fiancé has lied to me lol
There's a lot of privately owned firearms in the UK. Shotguns and rifles are 100% legal as long as local police are aware of it and grant you permission. You also need to own proper storage for them; you're not supposed to just have a shotgun hanging over the fireplace here. Hunting is a pretty big thing here, and most farmers will own either shotgun or a rifle, they're even allowed to shoot your dogs if they're off the lead and bothering their sheep. Firearms are just more regulated is all, but there's still plenty of guns to go around.
Great video Andy. There are two sides to a coin. You have the genuine like yourself. Who take time out to give brilliant information about the outdoors and camping gear. But clearly your not a vagrant. You have all the proper equipment. I think these guys were over the top. The amount of money generated in the pursuit pass time is mega money. It would be nice to be able to know who owns land. Then seek permission. This way the genuine wild campers could report the unsavoury scum who give this pass time a bad reputation. I think the land owners should watch you tube. And see the respect wild campers have when they camp. Sorry to waffle.
If you have permission, I don't think that counts as wild camping, because it's more like camping legally in a wild place then, if I understand correctly.
A vagrant is someone who moves from place to place without a home, so nomad or homeless, my contention is, the reason im researching this is because im probably going to become homeless so when literally every inch of the country is owned by someone and your just a homeless dude tryna survive the night, these land owners who usually get it for free through an inheritance are wankers imo
To be honest this problem the UK has of ‘get off my land’ is arrogant. Here in Finland people generally don’t have that attitude. I hated it in the UK, everyone is so aggressive. I had a horrendous landlord once that took a shotgun out and pointed it at anybody who dared to enter his land. Messed up entitlement…….the land was there long before the arrogant owners and will be there long after they’re pushing 9:12 up daises. Attitudes need to change…….
@@arcticradio Its not the whole UK mate, Just England. Up in Scotland you can and have the right to just about pitch up anywhere. There crazy down south.
You did the right thing in owning up, apologising and leaving. As a landowner, I’m not going to be happy about strangers rocking up and camping. It’s disrespectful at least. Even if I’m asked, the answer would be no. There are potential insurance issues and of course the 28 (maybe 60) day rule. Bottom line, don’t camp on privately owned land. How would you feel if you found people camping in your back garden?
Andy I think you should contact 'the estate' whatever that means ask ask permission. Explain you are a decent responsible adult just wanting to make a RUclips video for your very successful channel. Apologise for being caught without permission. They can only say no. Worth a "shot" 🤣
You nearly got shot? Just because he had a gun, didn't mean he was going to shoot you. He was probably just about to start deer stalking, and you put the wind up him? People who say things like that get shooters a bad name.
'I nearly got shot'.. Like fk you did. As if the land ower would risk getting a 5 to 10 year prison stay for shooting a dude with a tent. He likely saw you and got help just incase you was a gang of asswipes doing whatever on his land. Many land owners carry a shotgun with them. They never know when it may be needed to dispatch a trapped injured animal. So. You got caught on his land, I'll presume you shouldnt be there. You apologise, pack up and leave. Many land owners are sick n fed up of 'campers' leaving crap and damage after the camp that they have a no tollerance approach now. I dont blame them.
@@BackpackingUK I have shooting rights for pest control on 4 local farms. The first was hardest to obtain. I was only considered because I know his son. Word of mouth got me the other 3. It does seem that. Leave no trace has been replaced with. Leave behind as much crap as you can and destroy anything you see. Sadly the leave no trace people are a minority.
A gun??? In the states, they claim everyone in the UK has been disarmed. But as someone who's been shot at as a teen (an inch away from my feet), and held up at gunpoint twice as an adult (attempted carjacking at a gas station and when responding to a sales ad in the country for what turned out to be a fake ad...), I can understand the anxiety which results from that.
I think that's just something they say in your divisive media to back up some position on gun rights. Not "everyone" is disarmed. Sure your everyday civilians usually cannot own or carry, but you can attain permission to carry with good reason. In this instance I'd imagine it's a farmer who has permission to carry in order to protect livestock.
Yeah, this is just something people in States say to support gun lobbying and rights. It's not true in the slightest. It's not exactly hard to get approval to own a gun here, and I think the only firearms not allowed to be privately owned are things like handguns. Rifles and shotguns are 100% legal with a license issued from a local constabulary. There's also plenty of hunting and other forms of recreational shooting.
I got caught on the north York moors by the farmer. He came down to me and my 2 grand daughters on quad bikes with 2 others. When he saw that we weren’t a bunch of kids, he was lovely. He allowed us to stay “without permission “ to deter others and said if we set fire to the heather, we MUST go to the farm and report it. I gave him my word we wouldn’t light any fires and would go back to the road to use our trangia at breakfast. He was a lovely guy and extremely reasonable. Maximum Respect!!
just for clarification mind, a gun doesn't have to be pointed at you for it to be a threat.
Essentially just even rolling up and having it visible can constitute a threat to use it.
The other side of wild camping in England. Glad you showed this Andy, many other RUclipsrs wouldn't I bet. Good on yer mate for keeping it real 👍
You probably stood out easily in that red T-shirt Andy. Credit to you for keeping your cool and holding your hands up, literally. Better luck with your next camp.
I think the t-shirt actually helped dissolve the situation as I clearly wasn’t trying to hide 😂
As a land owner you wearing the bright coloured top is good,can stop you getting accidentally shot if you illigally on private land just remember there could be rabbit, deer or fox shooting going on fire breaks/roads are often used to shoot deer, and if your cammoed up then. you could end up collateral game, if you was behind the target and there couldn't see you, also people don't realise in places shooting or deer is a business and if you get in the way there will be pissed at you if your not supped to be there, stick the the paths, your not always allowed to camp on pathways I think in the uk any pathways, personally on my land if someone looked like there responsible number 1 by asking first im more likely to allow them to stay or suggest somewhere and would probably offer them fresh water maybe some food, but if your found set up thrown you take your chances, you may also not understand how you actions have impacted the land owners livelihood I see this from both points of view, I know some of you are not gonna like this and I don't give a shit if you do or not, but we are talking about reality here, also remember there is a lot of shooting at night for vermin (lamping) and green tents don't always show up in the background. and a .243 round whistling past you at 3250fps takes some stopping
I never camp in private woodland for this very reason, lots of people shoot in them or rear game. If there are public footpaths through woodland then its unlikely anyone will shoot there, you just have to use your common sense. England is so restricted and has a limited amount of access land, getting busted is always a risk we take when wild camping. Nice tent though.
There’s a public footpath that runs down the whole side of this woodland, that’s why I thought it would be safe.
If the guy was threatening in any way with the gun ? you are in your rights to report him ? and possibly affect his firearms licence ?
I was raised in the countryside and often wondered why we don’t hear of more shooting of wild camper accidents, given the willingness of wild campers to settle down for the night in some hedge bottom and the routine habit of farmer’s sons and their mates to go out potting rabbits and game birds at night, not knowing wild campers are on their land! I urge wild campers to knock on a farmers door and ask if they can kip on his land of a night. Better than an accidental bullet in the head.
Agreed, but the farmland is vast where I live, it’s not that simple.
You don't hear of this happening because firearm owners are trained and vetted. A clear and safe backstop is always essential
i've been shot at by poachers making a hole in my tent. very scary experience!
Well it's an offence
Section 16A: it is an offence for a person to have possession of a firearm or imitation firearm with intent by means thereof to cause a person to believe that unlawful violence will be used against them or another, or with intent to enable another person by means thereof to do the same
Farmer Giles will certainly have piles as its up to 10 years imprisoned. Doesn't matter one jot if he is on private land or trespassing on land. That's why farmers don't threaten people with shotguns.
Look at the case of Ton Martin the victim was killed after he burgled his home. He went to prison for life for murder. He did three years after his appeal was accepted and was senteced to 5. So good luck farmer Giles playing stupid games you will be going to prison
I am in Scotland but have had both a gun pointed at me, later said just looking through their scope to get a better view of me, and also been in a wood where hunters were lamping at night where they basically drive around with a massive lamp to freeze game and then shoot it. Scary experiences and taught me even in Scotland with our much fairer laws towards access rights it's still best to say you are on someones land.
My experience of game keepers is that they always keep gun to hand, not miss an opportunity to dispatch vermin which may present itself.
He did not point it at Simon and held his shotgun in a an appropriate and safe manner. Anyone who has experience of being in that situation would not see this as threatening.
There would usually be indicators such as drinking and feeding stations in woodland that’s used for shooting. So should we not educate ourselves and especially in regards to shooting season dates. Less chance of being caught. Worked well for me so far
This is why when I go wild camping everything is camo…no tent just a camo basher with a cam net thrown over. No lights etc. I’ve had shooters walk past me within 5 metres and not seen me .ex military helps . In 38 yrs I think I was seen twice..so packed up and moved within 1 1/2 mins . Never confronted. Great video!
I think I need to watch more East Anglian Bushcraft videos!
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Let's hope you're never in the line of their backstop if you're so covert.
@@E6EES credit me with a little intelligence ffs!
@@soldier-Dave Covert camping on a shooting ground, it’s hard to see you as intelligent.
Thank god I live in Scotland. Glad you're ok though. Better luck next time mate. Love the vids thankyou..👍
I’m so jealous 😭 (apart from the midges!)
@ImaSMACKHEAD982 yeah Scotland have trespass laws under the trespass (Scotland) act 1865. People think because wild camping is legal that it means there's no trespass law's. As part of Scotland's access legislation, the land reform (Scotland) act 2003. You have the right to free roam and are allowed to camp on most unenclosed land.
@@0110Cryptic can I ask you a question since your from Scotland 🏴 I’m planning on doing the WHW and wondering when’s the best time of year to do it? I’m thinking spring time to maybe avoid the midgets 😅 I hear it gets very busy over the summer months. Many thanks
@foreverirish132 March, April, May, September, and October are the best months to avoid midges buddy. May is the most popular with walker's making accommodation and amenities availability more difficult.
@@0110Cryptic thank you so much for the reply 😊 I really appreciate it. I’m bringing my head net anyways 😅 but I’ll definitely take your advice 😊🏴 🇮🇪
I know a few land owners, so I love the wild camping but also know about the bad side of it! Like you say - it is difficult to find out who the land owners are and trust me, you are going to have to build a relationship with them before you get any sort of permissions. They have been blighted by fly tipping, people hare coursing and poaching. Little wonder they are not always friendly when they find someone on their land!
The land owner would not be happy if keep gets pestered by people turning up at his house , asking for permision.
Wild camping in a BRIGHT RED T-shirt! I can see how that would go bad!!
In what sense did you "nearly get shot"? Were you fired at? Were you even threatened with the firearm?
That was clearly a silly place to wildcamp btw, and in broad daylight too...
If you wish to continue unauthorised camping on not very wild land, you'd be well advised to go more stealthily, select your pitch more intelligently, don't erect your tent until just before dark, and have it taken down at dawn. Remember you're trespassing (whether you agree with the law or not is immaterial), and be cognisant of the kind of activities which managed farmland/woodland/moorland will host from time to time (top tip: the shooting season starts during August). Don't light a fire and don't cook at camp. That way, you should seldom encounter problems.
At least you had the sense not to argue the toss with the landowner/agent.
The stalker / ranger was working. The guy said I was lucky not to get shot (through work, not confrontation). It was an hour before dark. Don’t forget I’m a RUclipsr and I need light to make a decent video. When I’m out not filming I’d never ever set up in a fire break.
You sound quintessentially british. Stick up the arse and all
I'd hate this to happen to me. So awkward. Literally going out there to get away from people just for people to find me in the middle of the woods.
I’ve always argued wild camping should be legal on common land , but I always loose the argument because too many people would ruin it for everyone else , and it’s true . My next plan was for the councils to have an experiment on a selected site . Love your videos thanks 👍🍻😁
That has surrounded the Dartmoor case. Unfortunately, as always, a small minority spoil it for everyone.
My advise would be to look at countries with freedom to roam legislature and take inspiration from their laws when arguing your case! ^^
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam
I love wild camping in my campervan - and its a complete risk now in the UK - Scotland hate us owing to the actions of a minority, and other parts of the UK it is technically illegal and other people take it upon themselves to create problems for their own fun with people minding their own business. Sad state of affairs.
@@RannonSi …..thanks for reminding me, I’ve been walking my dogs along a field edge for 40 years and the young farm hands” now”keep trying to stop me now 😂
Tip to find the owner, just walk up to the nearest farm house and ask, if they aren't the owner they'll direct you to someone who can help. Always worth sweetening the proposition with an alcoholic bribe. If you want to use it more regularly. The guy in the suit is probably a client on the estate.
I will definitely try and find out the Estate who owns the land. Maybe I could ask for a season ticket 😂
HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCE MANY YEARS AGO CAMPING IN WALES. TWO VERY HOSTILE BIG GUYS WITH SHOTGUNS AND A FKING HUGE DOG. THEY DEMANDED MONEY FOR TRESPASSING ON THEIR LAND. WHICH I REFUSED. THEY THEN AGGRESSIVELY ESCORTED ME OFF THEIR LAND. GOT BACK TO MY CAR WHERE LUCKILY I HAD A SPARE PAIR OF BOXERS.
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I wild camp in a camo bivvy bag, and one of my worries is being run over early in the morning by a tractor or similar. Farmers around here are up before dawn.
The bright red shirt was a nice touch
Hides the wounds
I remember an "Estate" where I used to do overnights as I always checked with the gamekeeper etc went fine for ages, then I thought it would be a good place to use as a location for the National Geographics Preppers UK 2, once they got a sniff that it was for filming, they immediately went "£1200" please...never been back, I spent months trying to liaise with other farms/plantations but forever got embroiled with farmers/shoots, partridge man, land owner, Duchy of Cornwall, deer cull, it was stoooopid, so now so I use my mates place Daggerwood for £8 a night, not worth getting a bad rep as a knife maker...
There are always going to be people out shooting on privately owned land, even Forestry Commision woodland and land that has public rights of way running through it. People will be managing deer all year round, shooting foxes and rabbits. Be very careful where you camp. A lot of hunters use night vision and thermal imaging now. Im surprised there haven't been more accidents if i am honest
i just bought a 7.3 r value insulated pad and a 1000g fill power down bag and i liked it that much i got the 1500g fill one aswell and all cheap
I'm so glad I live in Snowdonia, I always camp over 2000ft and well away from paths so have never had any bother, I'd be far too nervous to try camping somewhere like that with a risk of being caught and moved on, surprised by all the people going on about the gun though, when you live in the countryside chatting to someone with a rifle over their shoulder or cocked shotgun on their arm is just an everyday occurrence, I was walking though one of my neighbours fields the other week and him and a friend were shooting some of those high end air rifles you see them using in stuff like the Olympics, after a chat they even let me take a few shots! 🤣
How am I going to explain a bullet in the brain to the missus 😆😆
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Land reform needed in the UK.
All in the game. Take your losses. Mooooving on.
Everyday is a school day, live and learn!
Finding out who owns land is so difficult, I would love to ask permission at some sites that I know, but I can't find the information.
I have tried, I genuinely have. It's definitely not as easy as simply 'just ask the owners permission' as you see on most sites.
Many land owners are sick n fed up of 'campers' leaving crap and damage after the camp that they have a no tollerance approach now. I dont blame them.
@@sahhull it is disgusting the way that some people behave, no respect for anything.
More mute colours may have been a better option when doing a stealth camp. Don't need to mitty it up and go full camo but greens and browns can make you look more like one of the shooters than a bod looking to get their head down for the night.
You missed a trick from the off there Andy. Whilst talking to them you should have asked permission to stay. They even gave you the heads up about asking at the estate. Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Go back, you'll be amazed at how nice some people can be when asked AND you would be extra eyes and ears for them. Win Win. Don't ask Don't get.
Is there anyone/group or MPs (Ramblers Association perhaps ) lobbying for an Outdoor Access Code in England given there must be plenty of data on effects on environment and land ownership from the Scottish experience?
The Right to Roam movement seems to be getting some traction.
Ha ha brown trousers time! As a kid I went camping with a load of friends and we were shot at by some guys on the back of a pickup truck. Not sure if they were aiming at us or just trying to shoot rabbits, but we were running and ducking for cover regardless!
Pahaaa! Are you going to film the kit again Andy? Wouldn’t of hurt them to let you carry on! How did you explain it to the Mrs? Don’t let it put you off. Good film as always.
Looked to me very much like you pitched your tent on a game trail. Deeper in the forest would have been much more discrete but then again not the best when hunting is going on for obvious reasons. Late Summer into mid Autumn is by far the worst time for wild camping, lots of hunting, shooting, trail maintenance, midges and horse flies. A lot of shooting happens right beside (or sometimes over) public footpaths in the UK so it's no guarantee of safety. Normally they put out a few shooting/warning signs on the footpath.
Hi Andy you could have included the footage when you we’re caught. Good video
I stopped filming when I could hear the car. I would do the same the same again. I wouldn’t want to antagonise land owners (although it’d make a great video 😂).
Oh that's a shame Andy! I camped in the ranges couple days ago and that was thrilling experience, I had to hide from constant military patrols and rangers, but all went well. Top tip - don't wear red if you don't want to be seen haha.
My uncle owns some hunting woodland back in my country and they constantly check for poachers. As wild camping is legal in my country poachers do pretend to be campers as well till sun goes down. Sometimes they can attack you so I do understand those guys being aggressive in the beginning.
Luckily all went well!
Looking back I obviously stood out a mile away but I wonder if I’d being wearing my Fjallraven gear maybe they would have taken it further or not calmed down as quickly 🤷🏻♂️
At the time it looks like a scary moment, but you'll look back at it and probably have a good laugh about it, great review as always 👍
Exactly!
No fault or foul on the part of the landowner and his security team. They were looking out for your own safety given the property was open to hunting and shooting.
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Hi Andy, that's a beautiful tent mate. Its huge. Always a risk wildcamping mate, I got caught by a farmer and I was worried but he just waved and went past. Phew!
"get a bullet to the brain, how am i gonna explain that to the mrs?!" 😂😂😂😂😂 Absolutely brilliant.
it is the most english thing ive ever heard haha
I love the idea of wild camping but the constant anxiety of being 'rumbled' would ruin the whole experience.
Dartmoor is fine just stay in the purple areas.
www.dartmoor.gov.uk/about-us/about-us-maps/camping-map
www.gov.uk/government/publications/dartmoor-firing-programme/dartmoor-6-week-firing-notice-2-may-to-12-june-2022
To be fair, you’re usually ok in the National Parks if you’re high and out the way. You’re always at risk wild camping locally. However, hopefully this video shows that even when the worst happens you’re still ok.
@@BackpackingUKagreed, but the chance, even a very low chance, of having anything like this happen, will always put me off. Tories with guns telling me to F off would P me off too much.
Size of the tent dude, they must have thought you were starting a settlement.
Maybe something little less conspicuous next time.
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Families who 'own' vast estates, who's ancestors literally stole through means of murder and violence. Yet people still choose to doff their caps. Glad you got out alive.
Why not let the dust settle - then go back, cap in hand, apologise again - and ask if they wouldn't mind you using the land occasionally for a local wild camp or for kit reviews for your channel. You never know!
I will write the the Estate. It might to too late now but it’s worth a try. To be fair to me, it’s really hard to find out who owns what land.
You could use use the card that if you camp there then its another pair of eyes on the estate and that you would agree in advance when you are able to be on the land etc Also suggest to them that you would not mention the location ect in your videos. I think that as you behavd correctly when asked to leave that this will show your character to them, I think you may be in with a good shout @@BackpackingUK
Its not far off the shooting season, they have just released the pheasants in the last few weeks,
I had zero idea about shooting, when and where. I think I need to gen up on this!
Just some dudes out shooting who told you to move, it's a risk you take if you camp in clearings along trails. Talk about shitting the bed
I would've thought a shooting woodland would have some kind of sign or at least a fence off the walking trail that you seem to casually walk back on to... unless it was a private estate? If the latter I wouldn't go near initially, lol.
No signs and it’s completely open all the way round, even on the side that is a public footpath.
You seem to think that you are a criminal for wild camping, that the landowner would be justified in shooting you in the head. Even while you are leaving you seem scared that you might still get shot so keeping your voice down out of fear.
Hardly surprising they saw you. You were wearing bright orange
If that tent only had one vestibule area, it would be my perfect tent.
Where are you camping
This is the problem with walking onto private land without permission. I wild camp but I speak to the land owner first. 10:12 99% percent of the time its a big yes know problem. Most have people shooting where I go but a quick call the day before insures there's nobody shooting while I'm there. Common sense really..
Wildcamping Stealthcamping ... Seriously they must have seen you entering there land dressed like a "RED COAT" fighting the Zulu's ... not alot of Stealth there ... but hey ho enjoyed the first part ... 😎
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I have anxiety looking at your set up its that long grass you're on i dont feel comfortable on that idk why but it just wouldn't camp on that i prefer flat ground areass in the woods ,there is a good spot on a lake behind my old apt building way back in the woods i used to go too it is so beautiful back there
Could of been worse Andy they might of made you squeal like a pig boy 😮😮as banjos played 😂😂
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....and Ive got ticks all over my bare legs from being in the long grass lol ;D
Good advice mate it happens get hold of the estate you may be lucky enough to get a spot on the estate just a tip from a shooter fire breaks are stripped to the ground but rides are set up between wooded areas with long grass for the deer and to give a clear shot have fun stay safe ,,,,mick
I never knew that, I really could have been shot then 😱
it has been known to happen about ten years ago a guy shot what he thought was a fox whilst doing lamb protection at night and hit a badger watcher who had no permission to be on the private land iv also had people in the danger areas of military ranges that i have run , never ignore the red flags they are there for a good reason, i love my wild camping and my tip is stick to common land as most councils are not to bothered about wild camping and dont have the resources to manage them @@BackpackingUK
If you want to camp freely ask a farmer if you can stop the night in his field. If you must camp wherever its not hard to camouflage a green tent and don't camp in the open.
Think that's bad ...I came under fire from The Royals up on Deeside last week..!
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to be fair Prince Edward did wave as he passed me on the track...🤣@@BackpackingUK
No camper has ever been killed by gunfire in any part of the UK.
Always worth looking out for spent shotgun cartridges where you're staying!
Absolutely! I was mid-pitch at another local location and spotted a cartridge. I swiftly packed up and moved on!
Well done Andy for dealing with it and living to camp another day.
Every day is a school day!
Im from the Lakes district and I see this all the time, people camping on private land and then they get upset or try to involve the police when the land owner rocks up with his boys, dogs and brandishing an shotgun.
They also always seem shocked when the police do arrive and they do nothing other than ask the land owner if they want to prosecute the trespassers 😂 After all you did just admit to commiting a crime.
Thing is, if you look for the nearest farmhouse and ask permission or even slip them a tenner they 90% of the time will not only allow you to stay on their land, they will show you to a good spot, then politely ask if they want any money and most of them will decline but its nice to offer.
The worst they can do is say no and even if they do they will likely tell you a place you can stay.
Simple, no drama, everyones happy.
Unfortunately it’s not that easy down here. Believe me, I wish it was!
Get yourself up to the lakes them mate 😂
Definitely! Seen a few other comments saying they'd call the police if it was them, even though the law wouldn't have done a thing because the gun owners weren't threatening them with their guns. All that would've happened is the trespasser would've wasted police time, confessed to trespassing, and either have been sued for trespass (if civil) or prosecuted (if criminal). Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. lmao.
Been wild camping a number of times in the Lake District. Absolutely stunning place. Locals never had much of a problem with campers for the most part, as long as you're not creating fires, being loud, and leaving a mess.
Nasa could see you in that shirt are you serious lol! Well you didn't get shot so there that.
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Always expect to get busted, don't wear bright colours and certainly don't set up in day light. You have to blend with your surroundings
There was probably 3 of them just in case sometimes a shooter needs a witness because some people when they court on land they shouldn’t be on tell lies and say the man pointed the gun at me this is the problem. I’m a shooter and if I ever come across someone who should not be there my rifle is disarmed and put on my shoulder and then I start the conversation with said trespasser. Although I’m a shooter I do love wild camping to. To little land in the uk to many people in the uk
I think you’re spot on. TBF the rifle was never pointed at me and the guy holding it wasn’t threatening.
Often wonder why dont hear more fatalities from wild canpers in this country......farmers and landowners will often be out at night ......as they dont expect anyone there, you could get accidentslly shot or run over if staying in a green small tent or bivvy which not easily seen........ive even geard in America of people getting murdered while wild camping
It’s definitely made me think!
Will your LighterPack gear list be including a bullet proof vest next time? 😁
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Proper twitchy bum time! Least they didn't use you for some rich man's hunting! 😂
Glad you got out of that alive. Must admit that's exactly the scenario i would dread the most about true wild camping. I have a couple of permission spots which are great, but some sort of sensible open access legislation (maybe even date-limited) would be a real step forward, assuming filthy scumbags don't spoil it for everyone. Unfortunately here in dear old England, every scrap of land *belongs* to someone and the landowners will always prevail. Vive la révolution?
You taking the piss? No farmer would shoot someone in the UK and risk losing their licence. Dogs yes. Humans no. Because that would be attempted murder.
The law was created for landowners, not the peaseants.
It's such a shame that this island is so over populated and most of it is farmed, there's very little woodland left :(.
Actually, your hyperbole aside, rather than it being a ridiculous notion that "the law was created for landowners..." Mr Bardell has correctly identified the problem--a lot of campers--enough to ruin it for everyone--do not treat the campsites respectfully @@DemiGod..
I can almost feel the adrenaline …..😂
I still can 😂😂😂
I bet ! Love your channel btw . Don’t let that stop you !
Not exactly wearing stealth colours for a wildcamp on a place you shouldn't. Pitch late, pack up early is the rule when camping in a place you shouldn't be..basics really.
It was an hour before dark. Don’t forget I’m a RUclipsr and I need light to make a decent video. When I’m out not filming I’d never ever set up in a fire break (or wear red t-shirts 😂).
I don t do much camping nowadays, but your tent is banging 👍
Cheers 👍
New to the channel pity you got busted mate the tent looks massive atvb Jimmy 😎😎👍👍
Rule number 1 never where a Red tee-shirt your supposed to be stealthy i find everything Green works.
There’s a way to communicate with people and the way he did that was not it.
If I was the land owner, it would have been obvious to me that you didn’t know it was hunting land and it would have been obvious that you weren’t there to make a mess or do any harm.
You handled that well, which is understandable when one of them had a gun. 😆
Glad it panned out okay. 👍🏻
In fairness to them, I guess you’re going to think worst case scenario first. Once I had a chance to explain myself it quickly dissolved.
Thank the camping gods I live in Scotland. Could not be doing with that shite.
Doesn't it make it proud to be English, when Tories with guns are in the right and environmentally friendly individuals with tents are the baddies.
Trespassers Handbook. Be prepared!
That pack is like a tardis... you just kept pulling more and more out of it
Very nice pack you got there mate.
Nice video!
Yeah you cant just go camping on peoples land in the UK.
The problem is none of the land is owned by the people, or even the state, in the UK.
Tbf that hardly applies in Scotland
@@BackpackingUK It's owned by people but not 'The People' because we still value the rights of private citizens, at least for the time being; even if such rights are slowly being eroded.
Wait woah no I’m so sorry this lesson happened to you glad you’re alive also wait a minute though I thought U.K. doesn’t have guns 😩 and you weren’t allowed guns into the country I knew it my fiancé has lied to me lol
Rules on using and storing shotguns and rifles are strict in the UK. In this case he was working on the Estate.
There's a lot of privately owned firearms in the UK. Shotguns and rifles are 100% legal as long as local police are aware of it and grant you permission. You also need to own proper storage for them; you're not supposed to just have a shotgun hanging over the fireplace here. Hunting is a pretty big thing here, and most farmers will own either shotgun or a rifle, they're even allowed to shoot your dogs if they're off the lead and bothering their sheep. Firearms are just more regulated is all, but there's still plenty of guns to go around.
If it were my land i would have been perfectly happy to let you stay.
The trick is, emigrate to Scotland where we all go camping and live in harmony 😂
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Great video Andy. There are two sides to a coin. You have the genuine like yourself. Who take time out to give brilliant information about the outdoors and camping gear. But clearly your not a vagrant. You have all the proper equipment. I think these guys were over the top. The amount of money generated in the pursuit pass time is mega money. It would be nice to be able to know who owns land. Then seek permission. This way the genuine wild campers could report the unsavoury scum who give this pass time a bad reputation. I think the land owners should watch you tube. And see the respect wild campers have when they camp. Sorry to waffle.
If you have permission, I don't think that counts as wild camping, because it's more like camping legally in a wild place then, if I understand correctly.
A vagrant is someone who moves from place to place without a home, so nomad or homeless, my contention is, the reason im researching this is because im probably going to become homeless so when literally every inch of the country is owned by someone and your just a homeless dude tryna survive the night, these land owners who usually get it for free through an inheritance are wankers imo
Were they aggressive Andy or ok .
@@BackpackingUK a think they could have used common sense mate.
To be honest this problem the UK has of ‘get off my land’ is arrogant. Here in Finland people generally don’t have that attitude. I hated it in the UK, everyone is so aggressive. I had a horrendous landlord once that took a shotgun out and pointed it at anybody who dared to enter his land. Messed up entitlement…….the land was there long before the arrogant owners and will be there long after they’re pushing 9:12 up daises. Attitudes need to change…….
@@arcticradio Its not the whole UK mate, Just England. Up in Scotland you can and have the right to just about pitch up anywhere. There crazy down south.
Proper dickheads ..
Aye and they don't sell square sausage.
You did the right thing in owning up, apologising and leaving.
As a landowner, I’m not going to be happy about strangers rocking up and camping. It’s disrespectful at least.
Even if I’m asked, the answer would be no. There are potential insurance issues and of course the 28 (maybe 60) day rule.
Bottom line, don’t camp on privately owned land. How would you feel if you found people camping in your back garden?
Wearing Bright Red in Woodland is a bit of a giveaway to start with to be honest, they saw you a mile off.
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Come and camp in Scandinavia ! There you wont be bothered by landowners.
Andy I think you should contact 'the estate' whatever that means ask ask permission. Explain you are a decent responsible adult just wanting to make a RUclips video for your very successful channel. Apologise for being caught without permission. They can only say no. Worth a "shot" 🤣
I will, I just need to find out who the Estate is and then who to contact. Unfortunately it’s not that easy 😩
@@BackpackingUK keep us up to date Andy. There was no need for them to be so aggressive even if you were on their land.
You nearly got shot? Just because he had a gun, didn't mean he was going to shoot you. He was probably just about to start deer stalking, and you put the wind up him? People who say things like that get shooters a bad name.
Accidentally, not on purpose 🤦🏻♂️
Everyone should have a gun!🇺🇸🍻✌🏻
Go and talk to them then,explain what you do etc,
They might have a corner of a wood u can use
I will do for sure.
That's what pisses me off with England can't seem to camp anywhere everyone thinks they own the land I would go Wales or Scotland much more tolerant
Oh well you learn,he may invite you back if he sees the video
It’s certainly given me an idea 🤔
“The Kings land” you should come to America, camping is a lot less stressful:)
I wish 🙏
"I nearly got shot" Really?
The guy said I nearly shot you!
For effect, not seriously@@BackpackingUK
'I nearly got shot'..
Like fk you did. As if the land ower would risk getting a 5 to 10 year prison stay for shooting a dude with a tent.
He likely saw you and got help just incase you was a gang of asswipes doing whatever on his land.
Many land owners carry a shotgun with them. They never know when it may be needed to dispatch a trapped injured animal.
So. You got caught on his land, I'll presume you shouldnt be there.
You apologise, pack up and leave.
Many land owners are sick n fed up of 'campers' leaving crap and damage after the camp that they have a no tollerance approach now. I dont blame them.
That’s what they said, you could have been shot. Obviously accidentally, use your brain!
@@BackpackingUK I have shooting rights for pest control on 4 local farms. The first was hardest to obtain. I was only considered because I know his son. Word of mouth got me the other 3.
It does seem that. Leave no trace has been replaced with. Leave behind as much crap as you can and destroy anything you see.
Sadly the leave no trace people are a minority.
A gun??? In the states, they claim everyone in the UK has been disarmed.
But as someone who's been shot at as a teen (an inch away from my feet), and held up at gunpoint twice as an adult (attempted carjacking at a gas station and when responding to a sales ad in the country for what turned out to be a fake ad...), I can understand the anxiety which results from that.
I think that's just something they say in your divisive media to back up some position on gun rights. Not "everyone" is disarmed. Sure your everyday civilians usually cannot own or carry, but you can attain permission to carry with good reason.
In this instance I'd imagine it's a farmer who has permission to carry in order to protect livestock.
Handguns yes, but you're still allowed other firearms with the appropriate licence
Yeah, this is just something people in States say to support gun lobbying and rights. It's not true in the slightest. It's not exactly hard to get approval to own a gun here, and I think the only firearms not allowed to be privately owned are things like handguns. Rifles and shotguns are 100% legal with a license issued from a local constabulary. There's also plenty of hunting and other forms of recreational shooting.