What’s amazing to me, is before I had the wide and ultra wide option, I really didn’t think that it needed it. I actually turned on the setting just to check it out, and now I can’t go back. I can’t believe it actually really is a game changer. Editing, coding, even standard work using the Mac has just become so much better. The audio routing was a big deal to me and I’m glad that that works too.
@ I own Tech company, and every now and then I do some final cut stuff. I go way back when it used to be $25,000 for a license. So I love using the new Final Cut Pro however I wish it had the AI features of premier. A little brief tech history on me as I used AR/VR head sets for the past 11 years. I loved my oculus, and was super excited to show everyone on Facebook spaces and next VR. And then one day those items are gone, and upon doing some research, I found out that Apple had purchased those companies. Boy was I happy. So I started at saving like 100 bucks a month for like five years. Because I knew Apple’s headset was going to be expensive. Anyway, here we are. But I couldn’t wait to use the headset for was photo editing. I’m a heavy user of Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop. This headset is perfect for that and with the ultra wide now, I can utilize a much larger screen with editing in Lightroom. With final cut, you can have a much larger screen to see your finished product as well while editing. So I’m a little shocked. Now that I was wrong about the “Ultra Wide“ necessity for the VisionPro🥽.
Totally agree. Now the AVP is getting some quality time. I decided to order a battery clip and keep it plugged in. I’m all in now, spent 4hrs in it earlier today for the first time.
Good video on the new ultrawide. Been using it myself and it’s a game changer. Want to see something great, try playing a game from your Mac to Vision. There is virtually 0 latency making it better than PlayStation or even Xbox cloud for gaming. Which is actually huge, especially will more and more games coming to Mac.
wow, I hadn't even considered the gaming use case. I'm sure between the new Mac mini and this, you could have a killer setup if there were native games to play!
Want to see so thing really great? Take off those ridiculous goggles and go for a hike in the mountains or the beach. Seeing stuff like this that makes me happy I lived during the no computer era!
At the moment it’s way too expensive to justify, and I know alternatives are cheaper with similar functionality, but not the same level of integration. I can really see a future where these headsets getting to the point where they replace traditional screens, which not only would make multi screen and big screen awesome, but the energy savings are massive, one low power device becomes your full monitor setup, not to mention the security and privacy improvements if you are working from home.
I wonder what the physical effects like neck strain, eye strain, posture, and motion sickness, would be after long term use. For example, using it for work everyday 5-6 hrs for months?
Agreed! I’ve been looking forward to using this for development of AVP apps since it doesn’t look like we will be able to dev on the device directly anytime soon.
I wonder what the physical effects like neck strain, eye strain, posture, and motion sickness, would be after long term use. For example, using it for work everyday 5-6 hrs for months?
@@uncoverage still in exploratory / testing phase. As a coder, MVD has been noticeably improved but the hi-dpi resolution of 1440 vertical is not as good as my Studio Display. AVP as a portable monitor is solid, compelling use case, but the product needs to be improved. Maybe separate product lines. The future looks bright!
that's a great idea! I almost bought Snap Spectacles years ago just to vlog with, but the ray bans are definitely the spiritual successor to that product :)
how does this affect your eyes for long sessions? Eye strain at all? How about having the headset on for long sessions? Any affects from having that on your face? I was considering this as a remote work solution. Get rid of the 2nd mobile monitor and just wear the Vision Pro.
i wish they went heavier on the developer mindset and made it more open than other apple devices. let it grant camera access to apps, let it run macos apps, let it have xcode, let ppl size windows however they want. its weird how beta the headset is without the benefits of a beta and openness
They could almost make a version of Vision that's just a monitor mode and plugs directly into the Mac for best resolution, low latency, and high refresh rate. I think the Mac monitor feature is the killer feature of the AVP at this point
The point where Apple targeting the AVP to pro Mac users with the ultra wide screen. They are making a very hard case for folks to thing of AVP as a portable monitor.
it would be great if macOS had this feature too where the main desktop would be able to extend to the sides instead of the "jump" to new spaces the desktop continuously scrolls left and right where new UI elements appear. That would be so insanely useful for applications with tons of UI windows
not sure what you mean! that said, trovajoli has been a score for this channel in the past too ;) ruclips.net/video/T6oSwQtM-fM/видео.html&pp=ygUPdW5jb3ZlcmFnZSBzaXJp
@ hey winner winner, I thought it was a Vision Pro only thing but obviously both would need to be supporting the feature. I don’t know why I’m so willing to do beta software on the VP and my iPhone but I always freak out at doing beta software on my Mac.
I updated mine to 2.2. beta and my mac is latest OS. I get the mac display but its the old one. I don't see the toggle option for Ultra / Wide at the top of my mac window. Weird.
You might wanna control your head movement a little or reduce shake in editing. I'm getting disoriented and dizzy just by looking at your point of view because of the speed of movement. 😂
apologies! i added some stabilization on the most recent video but it’s been hard this year screen recording because the field of view on the recording is already so small :(
I worry you are going to do terrible damage to your retinas by having those screens less than 1” form your eyeball. Focus is determined by DISTANCE, if you are always focused on something inches from your eye, your long distance vision will start to suffer because of the overstimulation up close. This is irreversible and can only be corrected by lenses, this is called myopic. I also have serious considerations about the ELECTROMAGNETIC engine called M2 which is now nestled next to your brain. Please study MK-Ultra and the effects of electromagnetics on our brains which are RECEIVERS/TRANSMITTERS of these invisible frequencies. I think you do incredible potential damage to your self by using this device.
You'd be surprised about eyestrain.. ruclips.net/video/rcGt2Zn8lsM/видео.html - so long as you put the virtual object the equivalent of about 4ft away, the focal plane your eye adjusts to is not 1" away and, counter-intuitively, it's probably less bad for your eyes than working off a screen at arm's length. Probably better to minimize screentime regardless, but the science is cool.
All head mounted display devices place the optical focal plane ~6 meters away to avoid exactly what you described, not to mention the intense pain and strain of struggling to clearly see something 1" from your face would be. This allows your eyes to remain at total rest, as if you were staring at something far off in the distance. It's also why a theater environment feels so ridiculously convincing in it's sense of not just size, but *scale* . This is a critical role of the optics between the display and your eye, and effectively makes it something you look *through* rather than something you look *at* (similar to binoculars, you see through them rather than feeling like you're looking at a piece of glass less than an inch from your eye) Some argue this is perhaps more comfortable and/or healthy than staring at a regular near distance screen (phone, laptop, monitor, TV) for several hours, as even a large desk monitor requires your eyes to rotate inwards to maintain a close focus distance which eventually will create eyestrain. In the Vision Pro (or any other HMD) your eyes aren't rotated inward/converged at all, they're entirely parallel at total rest.
What’s amazing to me, is before I had the wide and ultra wide option, I really didn’t think that it needed it. I actually turned on the setting just to check it out, and now I can’t go back. I can’t believe it actually really is a game changer. Editing, coding, even standard work using the Mac has just become so much better. The audio routing was a big deal to me and I’m glad that that works too.
completely agree. what kind of editing/coding do you do?
@ I own Tech company, and every now and then I do some final cut stuff. I go way back when it used to be $25,000 for a license. So I love using the new Final Cut Pro however I wish it had the AI features of premier. A little brief tech history on me as I used AR/VR head sets for the past 11 years. I loved my oculus, and was super excited to show everyone on Facebook spaces and next VR. And then one day those items are gone, and upon doing some research, I found out that Apple had purchased those companies. Boy was I happy. So I started at saving like 100 bucks a month for like five years. Because I knew Apple’s headset was going to be expensive. Anyway, here we are. But I couldn’t wait to use the headset for was photo editing. I’m a heavy user of Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop. This headset is perfect for that and with the ultra wide now, I can utilize a much larger screen with editing in Lightroom. With final cut, you can have a much larger screen to see your finished product as well while editing. So I’m a little shocked. Now that I was wrong about the “Ultra Wide“ necessity for the VisionPro🥽.
Totally agree. Now the AVP is getting some quality time. I decided to order a battery clip and keep it plugged in. I’m all in now, spent 4hrs in it earlier today for the first time.
Does it also cut the weight in half?
@DatDude923 wow, I love this story. I'm so glad you're enjoying it too!
Good video on the new ultrawide. Been using it myself and it’s a game changer. Want to see something great, try playing a game from your Mac to Vision. There is virtually 0 latency making it better than PlayStation or even Xbox cloud for gaming. Which is actually huge, especially will more and more games coming to Mac.
wow, I hadn't even considered the gaming use case. I'm sure between the new Mac mini and this, you could have a killer setup if there were native games to play!
Want to see so thing really great? Take off those ridiculous goggles and go for a hike in the mountains or the beach.
Seeing stuff like this that makes me happy I lived during the no computer era!
@@Jamie-k7e7eLearn to enjoy new activities, it will be worth it.
@Jamie-k7e7e ruclips.net/video/0vppoSGRYxY/видео.html
Looks like you have some virtual laundry to do bro 😂. Cool vid ✌️
very real laundry, unfortunately, which is missing a home as i move. welcome to the vlog!
Thank god they fixed the audio routing
RIGHT
At the moment it’s way too expensive to justify, and I know alternatives are cheaper with similar functionality, but not the same level of integration. I can really see a future where these headsets getting to the point where they replace traditional screens, which not only would make multi screen and big screen awesome, but the energy savings are massive, one low power device becomes your full monitor setup, not to mention the security and privacy improvements if you are working from home.
Everything shown in this demo can be done with meta quest 3 and immersed
agreed on all fronts. too expensive for a non-retina display in my eyes!
I wonder what the physical effects like neck strain, eye strain, posture, and motion sickness, would be after long term use. For example, using it for work everyday 5-6 hrs for months?
@@simonhill6267sure 😂
@@simonhill6267 at a lower quality right?
Agreed! I’ve been looking forward to using this for development of AVP apps since it doesn’t look like we will be able to dev on the device directly anytime soon.
I'm so glad you agree - have you been working on visionOS development?
How am I just now seeing your vid on this… EVERYONE HIT THE BELL!!!🛎️ you don’t want to miss this dudes vids… something about his stuff, just ROCKS!
😭 thank you so much for this - I've got something cooking too, just for the bell-ringers 😉
@@uncoverage can’t wait!
This will be even better for my composing (and it’s already great), i might be able to fit a whole movement in the ultra-wide, we’ll see…
i would love to learn more about this. if you're willing, would you send me a message at austin@uncoverage.co?
I would love to see they do dual 4k separate virtual monitor because I can use each screen independently.
I wonder what the physical effects like neck strain, eye strain, posture, and motion sickness, would be after long term use. For example, using it for work everyday 5-6 hrs for months?
@4:39 bounced to enable beta’s on my AVP. Props for hyping as-you-go!
let me know what you think!
@@uncoverage Mac Virtual Display’s wide and ultrawide resolutions are stunning. Thanks for “uncovering” it. 🙂
thanks for watching! any cool use cases yet for you?
@@uncoverage still in exploratory / testing phase. As a coder, MVD has been noticeably improved but the hi-dpi resolution of 1440 vertical is not as good as my Studio Display. AVP as a portable monitor is solid, compelling use case, but the product needs to be improved. Maybe separate product lines. The future looks bright!
great video! is the text rendering sharp enough if the primary use case is coding?
it is for me, though it does appear to be sub-retina resolution.
You should get those raybans meta glasses for the video transitions just for when you’re talking about Vision Pro stuff 😊
that's a great idea! I almost bought Snap Spectacles years ago just to vlog with, but the ray bans are definitely the spiritual successor to that product :)
how does this affect your eyes for long sessions? Eye strain at all?
How about having the headset on for long sessions? Any affects from having that on your face?
I was considering this as a remote work solution. Get rid of the 2nd mobile monitor and just wear the Vision Pro.
Now they just need to make the headset more comfortable and improve the FOV and we have a banger. High hopes for rev 2.
i wish they went heavier on the developer mindset and made it more open than other apple devices. let it grant camera access to apps, let it run macos apps, let it have xcode, let ppl size windows however they want. its weird how beta the headset is without the benefits of a beta and openness
i’m sure that being more open at the beginning would be hard to roll back later, but i totally see your point!
7:10 they way your dog looked at you😂😂😂
she’s the best
They could almost make a version of Vision that's just a monitor mode and plugs directly into the Mac for best resolution, low latency, and high refresh rate. I think the Mac monitor feature is the killer feature of the AVP at this point
they totally could, but I think they'll avoid stripping the product down unless absolutely necessary
Funny thing, put the max resolution available in MacOS settings 10000x…, work standing up, make the window max size … it is crazy this way
Very great insight! Clear thinking that you helped me articulate!
thanks for watching!! what, in particular, helped you?
*You showed there is a slight curve on the normal display. If you resize it to make it smaller, will the curve go away?*
06:09 - is this what you mean?
This looks amazing! So my question for today is simply this: can the Vision Pro connect to the iPad mini 7?
in what way! there is a mirroring option but nothing as robust as Mac Virtual Display
@ thanks 😊
of course :)
Can’t wait to watch this new video 😊
glad to see you here!!
The point where Apple targeting the AVP to pro Mac users with the ultra wide screen. They are making a very hard case for folks to thing of AVP as a portable monitor.
agreed! positioned perfectly between a Pro Display XDR and Studio Display
it would be great if macOS had this feature too where the main desktop would be able to extend to the sides instead of the "jump" to new spaces the desktop continuously scrolls left and right where new UI elements appear. That would be so insanely useful for applications with tons of UI windows
i'm curious about what you mean - how would that scrolling mechanism work? this sounds like a clever idea but i'd love to hear more about your visiion
Lol.. where did you find that 70’s music?
not sure what you mean! that said, trovajoli has been a score for this channel in the past too ;) ruclips.net/video/T6oSwQtM-fM/видео.html&pp=ygUPdW5jb3ZlcmFnZSBzaXJp
Is this an exclusive macbook feature? Not that I need it, but I'm using the m4 mac mini and the ultrawide feature is not available.
nope! I've used it with my M1 Mac mini in the past. maybe you're missing the beta on your Mac or on the Vision Pro?
@ hey winner winner, I thought it was a Vision Pro only thing but obviously both would need to be supporting the feature. I don’t know why I’m so willing to do beta software on the VP and my iPhone but I always freak out at doing beta software on my Mac.
They need to trim the fat and release an apple vision that is purely for display for about $999
it’s hard for me to imagine them doing this, unfortunately :( a $999 Apple Vision Air though? i’m sure we’ll see one in a few years.
I need to know where you got those glasses.
Warby Parker!
Weird it didn’t launch with this
the early days of a new category are exciting 😎
If they can support ultra wide I really hope they let you have up to 3 virtual 16:9 displays that you can move around
i’m curious about how you’d use this vs. the ultrawide!
@ In real life I prefer to have multiple displays vs having an ultra wide
@@dynamic283 that makes sense. what kind of work/applications are you running?
Where are your glasses from
Warby Parker!
I updated mine to 2.2. beta and my mac is latest OS. I get the mac display but its the old one. I don't see the toggle option for Ultra / Wide at the top of my mac window. Weird.
you also need to update your mac to the latest beta! sorry that i didn’t mention that in the video!
@@uncoverage Yep that was it. Thank you!
happy ultrawide-ing :)
You might wanna control your head movement a little or reduce shake in editing. I'm getting disoriented and dizzy just by looking at your point of view because of the speed of movement. 😂
apologies! i added some stabilization on the most recent video but it’s been hard this year screen recording because the field of view on the recording is already so small :(
Maybe just me, but… Brandon Lee doppelgänger? Great vid.
ha! thanks for watching!
Miso
Miso :)
Has anyone ever told you that you sort of look like Trevor Moore (RIP)
no!
I worry you are going to do terrible damage to your retinas by having those screens less than 1” form your eyeball. Focus is determined by DISTANCE, if you are always focused on something inches from your eye, your long distance vision will start to suffer because of the overstimulation up close. This is irreversible and can only be corrected by lenses, this is called myopic.
I also have serious considerations about the ELECTROMAGNETIC engine called M2 which is now nestled next to your brain. Please study MK-Ultra and the effects of electromagnetics on our brains which are RECEIVERS/TRANSMITTERS of these invisible frequencies. I think you do incredible potential damage to your self by using this device.
i appreciate you looking out for my health :) feel free to send links or sources to austin@uncoverage.co
You'd be surprised about eyestrain.. ruclips.net/video/rcGt2Zn8lsM/видео.html - so long as you put the virtual object the equivalent of about 4ft away, the focal plane your eye adjusts to is not 1" away and, counter-intuitively, it's probably less bad for your eyes than working off a screen at arm's length. Probably better to minimize screentime regardless, but the science is cool.
All head mounted display devices place the optical focal plane ~6 meters away to avoid exactly what you described, not to mention the intense pain and strain of struggling to clearly see something 1" from your face would be. This allows your eyes to remain at total rest, as if you were staring at something far off in the distance. It's also why a theater environment feels so ridiculously convincing in it's sense of not just size, but *scale* . This is a critical role of the optics between the display and your eye, and effectively makes it something you look *through* rather than something you look *at* (similar to binoculars, you see through them rather than feeling like you're looking at a piece of glass less than an inch from your eye)
Some argue this is perhaps more comfortable and/or healthy than staring at a regular near distance screen (phone, laptop, monitor, TV) for several hours, as even a large desk monitor requires your eyes to rotate inwards to maintain a close focus distance which eventually will create eyestrain. In the Vision Pro (or any other HMD) your eyes aren't rotated inward/converged at all, they're entirely parallel at total rest.
The focus is determined by the projection distance, not the distance from the eye to the screen.