YESSS. I've been maining dark pit for a while now and I'm really not that good, but it's nice to finally see him getting some fair recognition. Looking forward to some future vids and would love to see what some elite smash pit work looks like
The pit discord has a bunch of tips and help. The pit discord’s RUclips channel has a bunch of tournament gameplay examples. Dabuz also has some “first to ten” sets on his channel too. Godspeed! Or palutenaspeed or whatever
Pits pretty interesting for me as a mac main. For the very fact that he's a fundamentalist character. When a person plays mac they naturally pick up on chase fundamentals, ground to ground fundamentals and ground to air fundamentals. So when I played pit, it really translated well in gameplay, not as strong as mac of course but definitely stronger than most characters, cause it felt more intuitive to me to apply my skills relative to his moveset than most characters. I guess you'd be able to tell who a person mains even if they play pit, by the way they play him is all I'm saying
3:24 If anyone wants specific numbers, the earliest you can fastfall a nair and autocancel it is frame 23. Both frame 23 and 24 are one frame faster compared to fastfalling during the final hit on frame 25. However, when hitting an opponent or shield, the final hit will have a ton of freeze frames, making the fastfall easier to time. Interestingly, fastfalling during freeze frames appears to delay the fastfall by a frame, so the fastfall will occur on frame 26, causing it to be 2 frames slower than a frame 23 fastfall (-9 on shield vs. -7). This also means that even though the second to last hit of the nair happens on frame 22, if the nair hits something, inputting a fastfall during it will do the fastfall on frame 23, causing an autocancel while still giving some freeze frames, though fewer than the final hit.
I’m a pit main and was playing dark pit while watching this (to try him out, still not gonna main him) and when you said dtilt to up air was a kill combo I tried it and it worked on Sora! Thank you
I think Nair singlehandedly makes Pit's OOS game top tier. It's not crazy like Bowser's UpB OOS, but you will never touch any Pit's shield for free, since Nair OOS is a frame 7 punish that can hit both in front and behind him, which makes it very hard to really shield pressure Pit, even if you cross up his shield. Dair OOS is also pretty good, since it sweeps front/below/behind Pit, and there's a chance of setting up a grounded meteor into Bair KO.
Nair and upsmash (frame 6, and kills) as OOS is good, but just doesnt stack up to be "top tier OOS". ZSS's up-B (frame 4 & kills), GnW up-B (frame 3, combos, & puts opponents in a bad position) come out faster and/or have more utility. Don't get me started on Mario's OOS who has nair (frame 6, sets up tech chases), upair (frame 7, combos), upsmash (frame 9, kills, and invincible), and up-b (doesnt combo, but comes out earlier at frame 3 and does more damage than pit's Nair)
@@statrunner upsmash not so much cuz the hit box is pretty bad. The scoop doesnt hit pichu standing, so if the opponent pancakes even a little he cant upsmash an aerial on his shield. Like even Peach fair landing you cant hit
Also there are some characters that pit can get more damage from a low percent grab if he does a forward throw rather than a down throw. For some characters you can do forward throw into fair and then either a nair for the nair plane or a regrab where you can get a down throw into aerials, possibly a down air.
I think im a Pit main now But not because of the video I just played him before for a bit, and he is so fun. I learned his combos very fast, also he has the best recovery in my opinion. With his 3 air jumps and his long ass up b he can recover everytime he gets offstage, unless you are just straight up bad in smash. Sadly his kill power is really bad. But evrything else about him is super good.
in kid icarus uprising pit can use a weapon called wolf claws and they're on fire. It may not be a spear or a sword but at least it's some type of flaming weapon
Remember when edgegarding be unpredictable. I I’ve gotten so many different kills off stage. I’ve killed with a side air, I’ve back aired them off the side of the stage. I’ve killed with nair, I’ve killed with electroshock, I’ve spiked. I’ve gimped them with 4 arrows with pit. I’ve absolutely sniped them with one arrrow with dark pit. I’ve killed them without even hitting them just from their fear of my arrows and ariels. I’ve even gone down and used my down b to tank their up b and stop their recovery.
I have been playing smash for a year plus, i got good at some charecters but there were no that fit what i wanted so i decided to play every charcter and i found pit was what i liked, i dont like how you cant really control your arrows as dark pit
Hey there ! I have a question about getting better in neutral. Fyi i'm a zss main with 7M8 GSP, Elite smash starts at 7M4 i believe. Players of my GSP are mashers or also players who know what they're doing. I feel like i'm a mix of both I understand what neutral is, i can see the layers in some pro matches. But, i struggle to do it properly but more importantly to know what i'm doing wrong. Here is an example If i do a nair, 99% of the time, it will be shielded. Nair is safe, but i have 2 options after nair, Jab to punish a shield drop or no jab (like jump or step back) if i think he's gonna shield my jab If i jab, and the guy also shields the jab, i take a huge punish. In this moment, what should i be thinking ? 1. Oh well, it's a 50% chance, and i lost, it's ok, can't do anything better, it's a matter of luck and conditionning 2. He's shielding, so i should grab more and add some tomahawk BUT zss' grab is garbage and i get nothing out of it and if i miss... yikes 3. If my nair is shielded this much, maybe i'm just mashing and my opponent noticed it, i should do something else BUT what ? rising fair to catch jump, but if my opponent shields again, i'll take another huge punish. Dsmash is great, but it's not enough alone That's just an example of a situation but overall i'd say that i know i do something wrong because Marss hits like 80% of his nair and sometime i have an entire match without hitting one, but i have no clue of what i can do. And it's not something that can be fixed just by training more
one thing i see marss do a lot when he expects his nair to be shielded is retreat and focus on punishing how his opponent opts to leave shield (empty hop run back roll read dsmash is a big example of this but it also extends to how he maintains stage control in general instead of forcing pressure) also mix up how many hits of jab you do and the timing at which you do them to beat out the startup of your opponents oos options i dont really play zss but i hope this helps
I'm not great as zss, but I reccomend conditioning your opponent for nair on shield. Start off with nair on shield > retreat or cross up (add attacks as you feel you should) then if you pressure them to hold shield, try to whittle it down as far as possible without them punishing or letting go. You could crossup bair > nair > jab and if they're shield is low enough, you'll shield stab. If they're antsy, go for a read and cover their option or tomahawk if you're sure they'll hold shield. For this, zss can get away with nair > uair wherever the opponent jumps for example. Don't forget you can nair super close to shield to confuse the opponent without getting grabbed, just don't be predictable
The reason why u shouldn’t u ftilt to get normal get up and Fsmash is that it’s basically the same move they both come out at the same time the only difference is one is safer and it’s not even a big difference it’s like 2 frames more I think I don’t feel like checking
Yes but even at 100% sweet spot it wouldn’t kill but a fsmash would yes it would linger longer but it wouldn’t kill ftilt would kill at around 120-140 were fsmash kills a lot of character at like 90 (just pointing it out i really love ur work for the smash Community and thank u for replying)
O yea also I feel like ur going to forget about this most people do but like normally side B is like Terrible if someone shields ur basically a sitting duck but one thing u can do to make it more safe is jump side B and Bounce of there shield tbh u can do it to where it looks like ur doing normal side B like they can punish that but it is a really good mix up when u take into the account u can do that then drift in or out
All true. But even then, ftilt is easier to land, safe, and will set up for an edgegaurd/ledge trap. And yes, aerial side b can be good for mixups, but I like to only use it for ledge cancels and when recovering.
I mean I was like one night. I mean it was like it but one night or they couldn't. My emotions 3400 barbizon regulations cuz imagine my dad said my lucky no more watching. Now watching I will do not work out like that. Do you want to know what? I don't want to know she don't want to you don't want to. You know when I get now you don't want to go to what I need to know. Number number Halloween. What do I just want to come? I'm well. Red, blue, china blue Nike what do I want to go when you want to go?
Beans Febreeze I don’t think that last part is true. Most people I talk to say they don’t find him that interesting or anything. Plus I still never fight any pits online even after the buffs
Dabuz loves playing characters that have no hitbox on their Up B 👀
Couldn't be me
Technically Brawl Olimar's recovery had a hitbox, although small and useless
I prefer it honestly
I mean makes sense because *counters* are an over abundant thing.
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YESSS. I've been maining dark pit for a while now and I'm really not that good, but it's nice to finally see him getting some fair recognition. Looking forward to some future vids and would love to see what some elite smash pit work looks like
Hey man, I play a fair amount of Dark Pit as well, hit me up if you'd ever wanna run some sets and/or practice!
The pit discord has a bunch of tips and help. The pit discord’s RUclips channel has a bunch of tournament gameplay examples. Dabuz also has some “first to ten” sets on his channel too.
Godspeed! Or palutenaspeed or whatever
as a *huge* KI: Uprising fan, I've always wanted to get into the Pit character. This looks like an excellent place to start--thx!
Apologies, who is KI? I’m interested in more pit gameplay
@@masterduelzero1795 hahha it stands for "Kid Icarus"!
@@ryans.1900 oops-- I'm dumb. My bad
@@masterduelzero1795 lol it happens :p
Pits pretty interesting for me as a mac main. For the very fact that he's a fundamentalist character. When a person plays mac they naturally pick up on chase fundamentals, ground to ground fundamentals and ground to air fundamentals. So when I played pit, it really translated well in gameplay, not as strong as mac of course but definitely stronger than most characters, cause it felt more intuitive to me to apply my skills relative to his moveset than most characters. I guess you'd be able to tell who a person mains even if they play pit, by the way they play him is all I'm saying
Been playing pit for 7 months before that I maimed sonic and Mac
3:24 If anyone wants specific numbers, the earliest you can fastfall a nair and autocancel it is frame 23. Both frame 23 and 24 are one frame faster compared to fastfalling during the final hit on frame 25. However, when hitting an opponent or shield, the final hit will have a ton of freeze frames, making the fastfall easier to time. Interestingly, fastfalling during freeze frames appears to delay the fastfall by a frame, so the fastfall will occur on frame 26, causing it to be 2 frames slower than a frame 23 fastfall (-9 on shield vs. -7). This also means that even though the second to last hit of the nair happens on frame 22, if the nair hits something, inputting a fastfall during it will do the fastfall on frame 23, causing an autocancel while still giving some freeze frames, though fewer than the final hit.
Cant u just use c stick fast fall then to time the fast fall?
You can, but I'm not sure that would help much since you'll still have to time the c-stick input correctly.
I’m a pit main and was playing dark pit while watching this (to try him out, still not gonna main him) and when you said dtilt to up air was a kill combo I tried it and it worked on Sora! Thank you
As a Pit main, I can't wait for part 2!
best name for a guide ever?
Pit actually is quickly becoming my secondary after Pichu. This guide is immensely helpful
About Up-Smash: there is a kill confirm into it if you spike opponent with a Down-Air, though you have to act fast
Yep, I think he’ll go into confirms and things in the next part
Obviously. Literally every spike in the game combos into upsmash and is a kill confirm.
@@jackwei7785 not really for doc unless you have bad DI. It true combos from mid to high mid percents
don't know how optimal it is (not a pit main just jack around with him for fun) but, drag down up air also, combos into up smash
@@grotto185 on midweights down air stops comboing around 15-20 precent before up smash kills
Dabuz: plays pit, a fair and honest, fundamentals based character
Also Dabuz: Plays olimar
jk Dabuz ur Olimar is clean and i love it
I think Nair singlehandedly makes Pit's OOS game top tier. It's not crazy like Bowser's UpB OOS, but you will never touch any Pit's shield for free, since Nair OOS is a frame 7 punish that can hit both in front and behind him, which makes it very hard to really shield pressure Pit, even if you cross up his shield. Dair OOS is also pretty good, since it sweeps front/below/behind Pit, and there's a chance of setting up a grounded meteor into Bair KO.
Nair and upsmash (frame 6, and kills) as OOS is good, but just doesnt stack up to be "top tier OOS". ZSS's up-B (frame 4 & kills), GnW up-B (frame 3, combos, & puts opponents in a bad position) come out faster and/or have more utility. Don't get me started on Mario's OOS who has nair (frame 6, sets up tech chases), upair (frame 7, combos), upsmash (frame 9, kills, and invincible), and up-b (doesnt combo, but comes out earlier at frame 3 and does more damage than pit's Nair)
@@statrunner upsmash not so much cuz the hit box is pretty bad. The scoop doesnt hit pichu standing, so if the opponent pancakes even a little he cant upsmash an aerial on his shield. Like even Peach fair landing you cant hit
I just started playing pit he’s so fun to use can’t believe I slept on him
I can recognize that dark pit theme anywhere 👀👌🏽dark pit mains RISE
YURRRRRR
AWW YEAAH!!!
YEARS LATER, STILL BEING SUMMONED‼️
@@Potatwa_chipzz😂😂
Side b goes brrrrrr
I LOVE THIS. PIT MAINS RISE UP
Nice ^^ Thank you for helping us learn how to play Pit!
Also there are some characters that pit can get more damage from a low percent grab if he does a forward throw rather than a down throw. For some characters you can do forward throw into fair and then either a nair for the nair plane or a regrab where you can get a down throw into aerials, possibly a down air.
Interesting I didn’t know. I barely use forward throw I only use to to kill at ledge I will try this
Good to see all the pros experimenting with new characters during quarantine
Fun fact: Antony Del Rio - The voice of Pit/Dark Pit. Voices Chico In Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeros.
I just realised that pit keeps his palutena bow in one piece for a while after some moves
I love that detail. And I love that his idle animation actually takes the bow apart if it's not like that already.
Used to play alot of zelda but now I'm getting used to the two pits as wanted to learn a more combo rushdown character and enjoyed pit the most.
you should try falco as well then
Thank you for dropping zelda! 🔥😅
I think im a Pit main now
But not because of the video
I just played him before for a bit, and he is so fun. I learned his combos very fast, also he has the best recovery in my opinion. With his 3 air jumps and his long ass up b he can recover everytime he gets offstage, unless you are just straight up bad in smash. Sadly his kill power is really bad. But evrything else about him is super good.
I always wondered why Pit & Palutena dont have flaming swords & spears as weapons. They're angels.
Lol cuz
in kid icarus uprising pit can use a weapon called wolf claws and they're on fire. It may not be a spear or a sword but at least it's some type of flaming weapon
@@Tankirb I find it strange that Palutena has a staff instead of a Spear.
They aren't as awesome as Pyrrhon to have the power of the sun's infinite flame, thats why.
Pit is a japanese angel, Palatena is the goddess of light. They're not Christian
Good guide, lad! Big love from a Scottish Pit main 💕
This guide is Galaxy brain, but pit doesn't know how to read
his back air on stage from ledge is also a good mix up 👌👌
Yo thanks for the guide and character representation Dabuz
Finally love for pit😭
Very informative guide for someone deciding to pick the character up. Thank you.
Yay some representation! Dark Pit main here.
Thanks for the video you helped me SO much picking Pit up and I'm really enjoing it :)
Glad to hear it :)
Falling neutral air into rapid jab is super annoying.
Don't tell anyone I told you...
just shield it if you hit the ground first, otherwise its true
I hope he keeps the beard forever
Remember when edgegarding be unpredictable. I I’ve gotten so many different kills off stage. I’ve killed with a side air, I’ve back aired them off the side of the stage. I’ve killed with nair, I’ve killed with electroshock, I’ve spiked. I’ve gimped them with 4 arrows with pit. I’ve absolutely sniped them with one arrrow with dark pit. I’ve killed them without even hitting them just from their fear of my arrows and ariels. I’ve even gone down and used my down b to tank their up b and stop their recovery.
Yep pit is smack dead in the middle. Its frustrating honestly but pit does feel good to control tho.
I’m just watching to reverse engineer the character. I main one of the few characters that lose to pit disproportionately.
who?
Judah Deitrich Piranha Plant. The reflectors on Side B and Down B are a bit annoying.
@@happycamperds9917 Ay, Plant Gang!
DaBeard NEEDS to make a comeback bro you looked like the gamer version of kratos
is it good that i knew all this techniques already?
@StarHunter OP oh thanks dude! The guide was gold anyways, guess I'm already in something!
I have been playing smash for a year plus, i got good at some charecters but there were no that fit what i wanted so i decided to play every charcter and i found pit was what i liked, i dont like how you cant really control your arrows as dark pit
Hey there ! I have a question about getting better in neutral. Fyi i'm a zss main with 7M8 GSP, Elite smash starts at 7M4 i believe.
Players of my GSP are mashers or also players who know what they're doing. I feel like i'm a mix of both
I understand what neutral is, i can see the layers in some pro matches.
But, i struggle to do it properly but more importantly to know what i'm doing wrong. Here is an example
If i do a nair, 99% of the time, it will be shielded. Nair is safe, but i have 2 options after nair, Jab to punish a shield drop or no jab (like jump or step back) if i think he's gonna shield my jab
If i jab, and the guy also shields the jab, i take a huge punish. In this moment, what should i be thinking ?
1. Oh well, it's a 50% chance, and i lost, it's ok, can't do anything better, it's a matter of luck and conditionning
2. He's shielding, so i should grab more and add some tomahawk BUT zss' grab is garbage and i get nothing out of it and if i miss... yikes
3. If my nair is shielded this much, maybe i'm just mashing and my opponent noticed it, i should do something else BUT what ? rising fair to catch jump, but if my opponent shields again, i'll take another huge punish. Dsmash is great, but it's not enough alone
That's just an example of a situation but overall i'd say that i know i do something wrong because Marss hits like 80% of his nair and sometime i have an entire match without hitting one, but i have no clue of what i can do. And it's not something that can be fixed just by training more
one thing i see marss do a lot when he expects his nair to be shielded is retreat and focus on punishing how his opponent opts to leave shield (empty hop run back roll read dsmash is a big example of this but it also extends to how he maintains stage control in general instead of forcing pressure)
also mix up how many hits of jab you do and the timing at which you do them to beat out the startup of your opponents oos options
i dont really play zss but i hope this helps
I'm not great as zss, but I reccomend conditioning your opponent for nair on shield. Start off with nair on shield > retreat or cross up (add attacks as you feel you should) then if you pressure them to hold shield, try to whittle it down as far as possible without them punishing or letting go. You could crossup bair > nair > jab and if they're shield is low enough, you'll shield stab. If they're antsy, go for a read and cover their option or tomahawk if you're sure they'll hold shield. For this, zss can get away with nair > uair wherever the opponent jumps for example. Don't forget you can nair super close to shield to confuse the opponent without getting grabbed, just don't be predictable
hround neutral up kick can lead to combos where you deal like 90% damage
Here after watching ZackRay's Pit! He got 3rd in a 1800 man tournament
At 3:40 what were the buttons for that combo
I played so hard with pit until I got thrown in a pit-hole by a bayonetta try hard.
Thx for the tutorial
The reason why u shouldn’t u ftilt to get normal get up and Fsmash is that it’s basically the same move they both come out at the same time the only difference is one is safer and it’s not even a big difference it’s like 2 frames more I think I don’t feel like checking
Like really go check
Ftilt lingers FIVE whole frames which is a huge deal for catching getup options
Yes but even at 100% sweet spot it wouldn’t kill but a fsmash would yes it would linger longer but it wouldn’t kill ftilt would kill at around 120-140 were fsmash kills a lot of character at like 90 (just pointing it out i really love ur work for the smash Community and thank u for replying)
O yea also I feel like ur going to forget about this most people do but like normally side B is like Terrible if someone shields ur basically a sitting duck but one thing u can do to make it more safe is jump side B and Bounce of there shield tbh u can do it to where it looks like ur doing normal side B like they can punish that but it is a really good mix up when u take into the account u can do that then drift in or out
All true. But even then, ftilt is easier to land, safe, and will set up for an edgegaurd/ledge trap. And yes, aerial side b can be good for mixups, but I like to only use it for ledge cancels and when recovering.
That beard tho.
The beard
Hi Pit discord!
Pog lets go
How do u use rosa with one of the worst dash shields..?
Cause it’s not smash 4
Link to Pit Cord??
Thanks! Subd!
looking this up to counter him 😜🤪😎
Praise God
play a bo3 with me my pit is lacking 😔
😀😀😀
Does anyone else find the way dabuz speaks to be very hard to understand
Pls articulate
You talk so much without actually talking about anything. Get to the point
what do you mean? he’s literally talking abt the character’s moveset. if you dont like his video style, go find someone else smh.
I mean I was like one night. I mean it was like it but one night or they couldn't. My emotions 3400 barbizon regulations cuz imagine my dad said my lucky no more watching. Now watching I will do not work out like that. Do you want to know what? I don't want to know she don't want to you don't want to. You know when I get now you don't want to go to what I need to know. Number number Halloween. What do I just want to come? I'm well. Red, blue, china blue Nike what do I want to go when you want to go?
Why pit? He's boring
Because hes not
He isn't super flashy, but he rewards solid fundamentals, has a nice combo game, and is generally pretty fun to play for a lot of people.
Also. Dragdowns go brrrrrrrr.
Beans Febreeze I don’t think that last part is true. Most people I talk to say they don’t find him that interesting or anything. Plus I still never fight any pits online even after the buffs