We Don't Do God? | Christopher Hitchens & John Haldane at Oxford
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- Does religion have a place in the public square? With it, can we have peace? Without it, can we have dignity? Join Christopher Hitchens, world-famous British journalist and anti-theist, and John Haldane, leading Scottish philosopher, commentator, and broadcaster, in a discussion on rights, dignity, faith, and public life. | Oxford University, 2010 | Explore more at www.veritas.org.
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00:00:00 Introduction
00:06:21 Opening Remarks - Christopher Hitchens
00:20:35 Opening Remarks - John Haldane
00:33:01 Where does Hitchens believe human dignity comes from?
00:38:25 Does Haldane believe the world would be more moral with more religion?
00:41:27 How can we find common ground in public life without religion?
00:44:08 If we base policy off Christian theology, isn't that exclusive?
00:47:52 Does morality appeal to a higher power?
00:51:44 Hitchens views on secular/religious figures throughout history
00:55:28 Does a public philosophy based on religion cause fanaticism?
01:02:36 Audience Q&A
01:03:07 What is the effect of religion on children?
01:07:42 Why doesn't Haldane's view lead to theocracy?
01:10:29 What is your view of religious pluralism?
01:16:20 Where does Hitchen's view of morality come from?
01:20:32 Is Hitchen's disappointment with religion derived from a higher moral calling?
01:24:57 If God is omnipotent, how free is free will?
01:27:18 What divine standard do you use for public morality?
01:31:52 Does religion allow for rational debate?
01:35:35 Closing Remarks - Christopher Hitchens
01:37:39 Closing Remarks - John Haldane
Haldane has the unique ability of making you forget, by the end of a sentence, what the beginning of the sentence was about.
Exactly
It's because he himself, doesn't, as you will, such like, now to some extent, as a reflection of, in the sphere, of , any more than in the sphere of, say, what it is.
@@dranoelhs let's not forget the importance of speaking in a soft tone in a rhythm, that is to say a recurrent alternation of strong and weak elements in the flow of sound and silence in speech, that makes one feel as if they are waiting for their luggage to arrive on a baggage carousel after an extremely long flight.
So it happened to you too? I thought almost my attention span must be shrinking ;)
Sentimental rhetoric only occurs outside of proper philosophical & theological discussion? Puhleeeeze!!!! Are ALL theologians this conceited ?
Haldane talked for 10 mins before I realized I had passed-out behind the wheel and drove my car straight through an active state fair ground.
Haaaaaaaaa
So good
Lolol 😆
la
@Mark Schultz ...and drove, you didn't see the ball since kick off.
Mechanic: "Do you know what type of oil change you want?
John Haldane: "Knowledge of the inherent viscosity present throughout the fractionally distilled hydrocarbons is not only optimal but unequivocally essential in regards to maintaining the neutralization of acids that originate from fuel oxidation. In addition to the aforementioned basic constituents, almost all lubricating oils contain corrosion and oxidation inhibitors, which lends credence to the commonly held opinion that the elevated initial cost of the traditional synthetic oil replacement in a vehicle, containing an internal combustion engine, is necessary if the person (or persons) is at all concerned with appropriately managing their finances."
Mechanic: "Huh?"
Hitch: “Yes”
Jajaja . Oh my friend . That was really funny
Well done! 👍🏼
In other words, the man is unctuous, viscous and slippery. I say no more just because I don't want to bore you.
Passenger: Upon study of sitting here, notwithstanding thirst and hunger for more
Once I started focusing on Haldane's handling of his glasses, I was happily relieved of trying to figure out what he was trying to say.
My god he's boring. You can tell he's a religious philosopher by the way he instinctively covers up his meaning with as much technical jargon as possible. One of my most reliable rules about epistemic claims is: if a person is confident in their argument they will make it as easy as possible for others to understand it, and if they don't have confidence in their argument they will go out of their way to cover up its flaws with obfuscatory language.
@@thesprawl2361
yep, aside of constantly playing with his glasses (maybe he needs to get bifocals), I am challenged to turn his mumbled words into maybe ONE PARAGRAPH that gets to the point.
@@tracyavent-costanza346 I actually thought he came close to proving the existence of god because whenever he started talking I felt my soul trying to leave my body
hahahahahahahahaha
Thanks be to God that I can fast forward through Haldane's bogus nonsense and get to the brilliant rhetoric of Christopher Hitchens!!
If Hitchens was hungry, he would say "I am hungry." IfJohn Haldane was hungry, he would say "I, as someone who is bipedal and has to acquire energy from a source outside myself and beyond my autonomous being, must seek out and obtain carbon-based organisms in the form of plants and animals (most of them being quadrupeds) as a source of God-given sustenance to which we should be thankful."
William Gilliam most adroitly stated. Kudos.
Thanks haha. Haldantiliously*
William Gilliam LMAO this is gold funny
To provide complexity and not to be a crashing bore are not mutually exclusive propositions.
Your confusing complexity with long winded .
How can Haldane say so much yet not a word makes sense, but he did cure my insomnia.
LOL/😂
he is putting me to sleep...!!! because....he never come to the point...!!!
I got to 5 mins into Haldane's speech, got bored then started reading everyone's comments then realised why I got bored and started reading everyone's comments! A suggestion of a book title for Haldane "How to say a lot while saying nothing"!
Same lol
Same here
Ha bla. And da bla. Skinny puppy
Me too ✋️
I hope John Haldane never writes a book on `how to boil an egg`.
i hope i never have to eat any egg he has boiled
Lol
I hear volume 1 is nearly finished!
@@Resenbrink go vegan - you won't
Ll
Haldane has taught me how to take my 500 word paper and turn it into a 10,000 word paper without any extra time at the library
1:25:07 Audience: If god is omnipotent, how do you explain free will? Haldane: well that's done over a 12 week course...
😀😂
Lol
Lol
Remember that old British saying, 'Bullshit baffles brains', I think it's supposed to have its origins came from our British army.
We lost a great man 10 years ago today. You'll never be forgotten. RIP Hitch!
Despite being a Christian, I agree. I wish he was still with us today.
Lol he met his maker, and it wasn’t good, I can’t believe atheists think Hutchins was intelligent… he was the worst proponent of it… was a complete dunce
@@purgatoriprytania5382 just like we need liberals around to remind us how ridiculous they are.
@@nasticanasta rational people always seem irrational to dumb people if you think he was dunce then that means he has done his job perfectly.
@joseph deutsch he might be gone but he has left his mark on the world and his legacy and his ideas are still alive. so he will always be remembered and remain alive in our minds for this and all of the future generations to come he has certainly left his mark on history and the world. Unlike You who will be forgotten in a couple of years after you and your rotten brain is finally buried deep under ground.
I discovered the Hitch when he was already dead, sadly. One thing stands out a lot to me, when reading comments under many videos with him - people explaining how much they miss him, without ever having met him. I feel the same way. How happy are we for living in the age of youtube and the internet so that we can at least watch Hitchens' debate and listen to him. Sometimes I even stumble over a video that I haven't yet seen and it always puts a smile on my face.
I think we miss him so much, because we know what a great loss to the world it was when he died. A truly independent and rational thinker, and an excellent writer & speaker, I hope when he went, that it was peaceful
Oh it was so satisfying watching him dismantle Fox news goons in real time which is where i was first introduced to his genius.
@@RR-qf9re Well that must have been a piece of cake for him, would you happen to have a link for that sounds like a slaugther.
Well said!!
A brilliant man to be sure and he is sorely missed
Haldane is a kind of religious politician. He's perfected the art of speaking fluently and at length whilst saying nothing.
100%
Commonly known as *double-speak.*
@@penboyasgod6103
Only "Double" Speak?
@@dukadarodear2176 Excellent point.
I agree wholeheartedly.... Whilst saying nothing.....
Legend has it Haldane is still explaining how the debate went to the first person that asked him.
Hahhahahaha, brilliant !
Ha ha ha!!
He is halfway through explaining the introduction
I’ve rarely seen someone spend more time to say less.
Your killing me 😂
We played a drinking game where you take a drink every time Haldane takes his glasses off. We all passed out after 20 minutes
What can I add but...LOL!
“I’d like to take a moment to recognize the void that is left by our dear friend Christopher Hitchens. I’m sure we can imagine what he would think about the topics here this evening, but none of us can imagine just how well he would say it. The man had more wit and style than several civilizations I could name.”
- Sam Harris.
Agreed.
Very well said!
....unfortunately he will now have to face the consequences of his beliefs. If there isn't a God then he's okay, but if there is a God then he is probably terrified of the reality he's finding himself in.
@@cornellete if there is a god, I'm sure it's not like the god described in the abrahamic scriptures, and it will be like the kind of god interested in discussing the issue with Hitchens. And he will have an excellent contender in him. He will be amazed with the complexity of his creation. And certainly he will be proud of it!
@@cornellete i know where my money is.
Every time I watch a programme with Christopher Hitchens I miss him more.What a loss to the world
he was the devil's son!
Renate Baramy Bertrand Russell
He became a far right lunatic towards the end of is life. I don't miss him at all.
M Betan oh no. Someone had a political opinion?
@M Betan If Christopher Hitchens were still alive today I believe you'd find him vehemently opposed to the creeping trends of authoritarianism and nationalism which endanger the current global political landscape (Russia, Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Philippines, Venezuela, the U.S.A., etc.). Furthermore, what his take on the Syrian conflict would be is unknown, though we can almost assuredly state that he would advocate U.S. military intervention to help the Kurds defend themselves from the multi-pronged threat against them posed by Turkey, Syria (and by extension, Russia). Likewise any reassessments or re-evaluations of his positions regarding the ultimate successes/failures of the War In Iraq and our presence in Afghanistan on Hitchens part (though I dare assert that Hitchens would find the proposition of handing control of Afghanistan BACK to the Taliban through U.S. disengagement quite troubling) are unknown. In the end, there likely will NEVER be a more eloquent and unequivocal opponent of all things authoritarian and imperialistic (in the end, have the facts borne out that the War In Iraq WAS simply about U.S. oil interests?) than Mr. Hitchens. For you to relegate him the title of "a far right lunatic towards the end of his life" is in my opinion a tragic misunderstanding of Hitchens and poisonous to the legacy which he has left. Hitchens was always a liberal, much to the chagrin of some Liberals who themselves harbor illusions of benevolent state authority.
Now I know you can miss someone you never knew, and be intolerably sad that they're gone.
John Haldane is still with us.
Yes. I feel the same way about the original lineup of Lynyrd Skynryd
Can i join your club ? 😢
I miss Hitch
@@TBOTSS unfortunately
"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible."
Mark Twain
Did it for me.
Yep… cured me
If you study the bible and have a heart to understand it then you will really be cured of atheism ...worked for me.
The Bible is a hard read. I would recommend the Bible project one RUclips. Breaks down the different books in several minutes. Then when you read it the Bible starts to make sense. I especially like the wisdom series. It’s very clear that there’s a supernatural hand in it.
@@eddiekorkis often we can't reliably quote and report events that happened a few days ago--with all the modern technology that is available. Yet you stick to a book that was written thousands of years ago and take it as absolute truth?!? This is absurd. Enjoy your delusion.If the bible were to say 2+2 = 5, you would find a way to make that work. the study of consciousness and the nature of reality goes way back, a long way beyond even Aristotle. As a topic of study in modern universities, it generates endless discussions, no enlightening answers because no one knows not you not me no one and if anyone say they do they are a liar. if there is a higher life form we no nothing of it .
A man whose ferocious intellect was well matched by his courage, such a loss.
Haldane does a fine job of verbal tap dancing outside of the actual and literal subject matter while Hitchens goes straight for the jugular of the subject matter. Bravo. RIP Hitch
Agreed! And that’s why Hitchens won this debate using clear, concise, relatable language that moves directly to his point. When your audience looses track of what you’re saying, you automatically lose, Dr. Haldane.
Like a conservative politician
Hitchens superficial criticisms of distorted applications of religiously based moral principles doesn’t really answer the question. Morality needs a firm foundation otherwise it devolves into moral relativism. There have been numerous human societies that have practiced such abhorrent practices as human sacrifices, cannibalism, and infanticide. Is there anything in evolutionary theory that informed these societies regarding the immoral nature of their practices? Hitchens had the privilege of having been raised in a Judeo-Christian society that condemned such practices. What if he had been born in a place and time where such practices were deemed acceptable and necessary for the survival of the community? There is nothing in the foundation of his worldview that would have have instructed him to repudiate such practices. That ‘golden rule’ he mentioned would have gone out the window once he realized that neighbor living on that nearby island was smacking his lips thinking of cutting him up at the next barbecue.
Any Viced Rhino Fans here?
@@slevinchannel7589 me!
still love you darling Christopher, you cared more for humanity than any church could
Cap. Not trying to argue that Christianity is true but Churches have done a great deal in helping people’s live. It would be both naive and ignorant to simply ignore their contributions. Christian or not.
@@mannytps9986 well, she said care, it would be ridiculously naive to think the church (not one or other priest) cares for humanity
@@mannytps9986 is thanks to churches, that the Rwandan genocide became a reality. Churches are completely useless, pointless, and personally, an eyesore
Very, very true
Or any church ever did.
Stephen Colbert once asked Keanu Reeves what he thinks happens when we die. Keanu replied, "I know that the ones who love us will miss us." Simply put, yet quite poignant. We miss you Christopher Hitchens.
Luckily for us, his body may be gone but his words live on. A kind of immortality.... To be loved, missed, respected, and remembered long after we're gone is really the best we can all hope for.
Yes but how come he was an alcoholic and got cancer ?Is it true that everyone gets what they deserve?
@@jeffforsythe9514 As Hichens said,
"Sure, I'm dying and so are you."
@@blueduck5589 Our souls are immortal, sorry.
Even better is that we have proof that Christopher said all of this.
Oddly there are no videos or photos of some supreme being who allegedly created everything
All there are the made up lies and rules and words edited by religions who incidentally make a fortune grifting the poor.
@@jeffforsythe9514 just like your mean, vain, murderous alleged god you have to smear those that do not agree with your bs.
Professor Haldane for all his eloquence and evident learning, gives the impression of the kind of intellectual whose mind seldom if ever leaves the world of cozy sheltered academia. Hitchens was much more a man of the real world.
Hitch's "real world" thinks creation happened naturally somehow.
The 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. It is clear creation had to be done supernaturally yet it is still denied because people are just too proud to accept that, among other things.
👍
Christopher Hitchens was a war correspondent for years. He saw the cruel reality of life in a way that those not in the military rarely do.
hitchens starts at 6:24
Q&A hitchens answer at 34:17
hitchens question at 38:12
hitchens answer at 42:02
hitchens answer at 52:28
Thanks
great; a skip schedule😉
You are a gem 🙏🏼✨
There the gold lies.
and nothing else matters!!!
I ended up skipping over Haldane’s speaking. Not because he was saying things I didn’t want, rather because he wasn’t really saying anything.
I agree. I remember reading the Foundation trilogy by Asimov. In one book, a character distills the extensive pronouncements of a politician, eliminating anything which has no relevance, meaning or applicability, and ends up proving that he had, in fact, said nothing at all. Haldane seems a living example of this.
I can imagine students subjected to a lecture by him, sitting in the theatre, pens poised, listening intently at his intelligent sounding pontifications, waiting for the first of many gems to fall, but slowly relaxing their hands as they realise that the emporer is sadly naked after all, and leaving with the page covered in doodles wondering how they are going to pass their course.
you're a fool
I listened all the way, but I’ll be damned if the folks asking questions weren’t 80% cringey self involved fuckos.
Anyways, Haldanes best bits were all pretty toothless and vague. Something about how religion isn’t useful to explain the moral content but the fact that all humans have a kind of moral compass that leads them one way or another.
If there is anything I dislike most in these religious debates, it’s a theist who is presenting such a neutered version of their particular faith; that it’s self defeating and pointless to have presented in a debate.
So, I can perfectly understand your skipping the Haldane parts, and no you’re not a fool for doing so.
Mr. Sotack agree...I hardly could grasp his point at all.
Bret Zajac So you are neither a believer nor an atheist? Are you a dog? You obviously have not listened to either speaker. .
Steven Weinberg once famously said, "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion."
No truer words have been spoken.
thank you
I tried, but at 26mins in and during Haldane's first speech I drifted and found myself thinking about dinner, that's bad considering I had just finished lunch.
"You've made a mystery where this is none." Excellent!
I like how Haldane will just randomly remove his glasses and look around, as if to punctuate some really good point that he... hasn't made.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This made me burst out laughing. It’s so so true and funny.
Watched too much CSI Miami. Check Jim Carrey imitating David Caruso
@Cuzn Ed I don't know how many good points he thinks he made but he took his glasses off 22 times in the roughly 10 minutes he spoke. He favors his right hand for this job at a rate of 72.7%, both hands are at a 22.7% clip while left hand got 4.5% of the duty. Equally, he takes his glasses off 22 times, with e ever so slight edge favoring his left had at 54.5%. Alternatively he makes adjustments to his glasses (pulling the down the bridge of his nose etc) 10 times favoring his left hand to do this at a dominating 80%. There were some instances where he brought his glasses up but didn't actually put them on, (2) I didn't count those. This quarantine is getting to me, PLS SND HALP
Nice ad hominem, my guy. It's not exactly rational, but ... fair. Try seeing it this way: Haldane is a career philosopher (and trained painter!). Hitchens is a career journalist (and trained writer). That alone should say something about the scope of rhetoric.
Atheist : logic, reason, simplicity
Theist : Word salad that reminds you of chruch.
John Haldane: Lots of words with really no ending, but very useful for insomniacs.
hahahahahaahhh
I've watched dozens of videos with Hitchens and I haven't seen anyone get anywhere close to winning a debate with him.
Watch the one with David Berlinski. Hitchens was the absolute triumph of style over substance, but Berlinski has both style and substance in spades. Also you might watch Hitchens debate his brother to see just how much Chris' tremendous charisma helped him, because that debate is like watching a charismatic Hitchen debate himself in a mirror that does not reflect his charisma back. The real point at which Christopher Hitchens starts appearing transparent is when you realize that at bottom he was just one of the last true believers in a late 19th and early 20th century socialism. It is easy to criticize an argument when you have as much wit and bravado as Hitchen's did, but when you start asking yourself what is he really promoting you start to see just how short he is actually coming up. Again, this is where the debate he had with his brother is informative.
+Artistically Motivated Hitchens has debated Dinesh D'Souza several times. In some of those Dinesh does pretty well, I would say.
What an absurd statement, and that's without even addressing the literacy of it.
The quantity of Atheistic Scientists and Philosophers is dominant: Hume, Freud, Russell, Marx, Nietzsche, Sartre, Singer, Dennett, Dawkins, Krauss, Harris, Sagan, Stenger, Hoyle, Hawking, Coyne, Bohr, Feynman, Crick, Higgs, Schrodinger, Weinberg just to name a few.
Note also, they were all post Darwin. As for 'Saints' you may kindly keep those for yourself.
He talked to Prager that was bringing up legitimate questions, but Hitchens wouldn't listen and kept running his mouth with his opinion, and for that reason some people think he wins. But even atheists commented saying that he was rude and not debating..
Hitchens was just one man with HIS assertions. He was or did not need to be the only voice to debate for non believers of religion.
Reading the comments here, I'm relieved to find it's not *only* me....
Unbelievable! Listening to that guy has Cured My Insomnia!!! Thanks John!! 😀
I suppose nothing is so bad it is not good for something, my mothers favorite saying that is.
@@MrSigmatico Hitchens is a pop idol to so many grieving today, and who are still unable to fill that void, as the comments show; a little god, who could do no wrong, worshippers drooled over his every breath
@@pjo2386 Make one comment, then copy & paste it. Haha
John Haldane is the cure for Insomnia, not by his soothing voice, but by the content of his arguments.
Very funny comment! 😆
"Tonight we're going to ask that Christopher Hitchens doesn't speak about truthful, historically accurate, hurtful things that make us look bad."
Can you imagine the insufferable torture of sitting through a semester’s worth of class lectures from John Haldane? I’d rather give a limb than be subjected to such agonies.
I’d have used it as homework time
he puts me to sleep
Doesn't deserve any of his diplomas.
@@jameswells9403 in order to begin to understand haldane you MUST first believe in religion, hard and fast and your faith in God is unquestioning.
I do NOT. Every line, every notion and every detail recounting of history haldane uses to confuse believers just reaffirms my deeply held beliefs, "religion is a scam."
While i do believe God exists - i also believe modern religion has more to do with profits, power and possessions and less to do with Faith and God, Hope and Peace.
He makes me envy the deaf.
I found a new cure for insomnia! Sir john is a great way to make 1 fall asleep 😴
I wish I could have met Christopher Hitchens, he honestly was such a gift to this world!! ❤🕊❤
Thank you. I always try to listen to both sides of an argument, but I'm 20 minutes in and I can live without the rest. You confirmed in my mind that I have FAR better things to do. Thank you. LOL
Agree!
Yes but how come he was an alcoholic and got cancer ?Is it true that everyone gets what they deserve?
He’s one of the dullest redundantly verbose people I’ve ever heard speak
They knighted that guy? Jesus
Haldane : Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it.... oh, sorry, nothing.
This was Hitchens vs a human sleeping pill. Well done Hitch! Miss ya
They should sound an alarm for when the Hitch is about to start talking 😂
@@alexanderkempster449 Right on! I didn't get to Hitch since the typical emptiness of claims like Haldane's made me doze off! Argument? God is the source of goodness is a "rational" position because I say so. This catechismal approach leads to more questions than answers. "Who made you?" "God made me." Case closed.
That's a good description, I've only watched Haldane for 10 minutes, and i've not only failed to understand where he is going with this, but I've faild to understand a single sentance.
Is exactly what I am thinking as I watch this! LOL! I can't even make out what Haldane is trying to get at. It's like he is just saying random things, and to see this after Hitchens went on, Haldane just sounds lost. LOL... human sleeping pill, hahahaha!
TOTALLY. AGREE. I only discovered him too late, in January of 2020.
Formidable and intellectually on the highest pedastal. What a loss his brain was to reasoning, mankind and humanity.
hitchens shape-shifted my critical thinking 180°
likewise my intellectual bravery
a personal paradigm shift
to his work i am forever grafeful
Welcome to the dark side 🤣🤣🤣
aud loves life ..an unnecessary use of a comma before “but”.
aud loves life - You should edit your username then.
Likewise.
Galileo Shift. FFS shape-shifted my critical thinking......, intellectual bravery.... you clearly haven’t learned the art of communication. Big words and/or hip sounding sentences don’t impress in today’s succinct social media world. An ability to communicate with the masses is where it’s at.
Legends never die, long after all of us are gone, Hitch will be remembered!
.... you put too much value on time. Trust me, no one will remember him eventually. Even a million years is just a drop in the bucket of time... the universe is going to fizz out as quickly as it was born, and no one will be thinking of Christopher, or thinking of you, anymore than a fly thinks about the pile of dung it feasted on yesterday. You give yourself too much credit.. because in reality it will be as if you were never even here. BAM
@@cornellete he'll be remembered for a long time. Ok sure, his memory might not survive the heat death of the universe, lol
Legend😂😂 Why cause he insulted religious folk?
@@christianityisunstoppable4155 No... Because he had the courage to tell the truth.
@@christianityisunstoppable4155 Stow the snark, it makes you seem ignorant. Hitch was a brilliant writer, he was fiercely intelligent with a great wit and he possessed an extraordinary memory!
There’s probably an alternate universe where John Haldane still hasn’t finished his opening statement.
So we should consider ourselves lucky.
Hahahaha. Well said!
Haldane bored my socks off with his self satisfied smirking and unbounded blabbering
John Haldane's lecture conferences - a perfect treatment for insomnia.
+Storm Hawk Spot on, Storm Hawk. Will make a loop for those sleepless nights (like tonight), entitled: "Haldane's Mundane Spiral Stairway to Heaven, Theism, Deism" or perhaps just, "white noise". Night.
+Storm Hawk That's really funny, because I genuinely fell asleep during his opening statement.
I need to get to sleep so I am going try your hypothesis out.
+Aaron Siering td4w
Haldane just waffles. It sounds brilliant, but consists of nothing. He should take up politics.
It's amazing that Hitchens can retort to the circle speaking, digressing and pseudo-articulate answers of believers so quickly. His mind was certainly sharper than any other.
And their minds are so dull.
RePlaylist1 I can't feel that this particular audience is 'dull' more than any other witnessing debates of this sort (though I did find Haldane quite dull) but rather that Hitch is so bright, quick witted and practised in his art. The other impression I had, was that many in the audience were undecided in their opinions; which perhaps surprised many of them to realize this about themselves.
A bit brilliant he is. :-)
Preferable to the daisy chain of idiocy you get when Christian shitheads start talking.
Did you guys notice how he called the proclaimed truth by Haldane a precept but then went on to say that the desecration of the innocent was wicked, thus making a truth claim?
I'll be the first one to admit that Halden wasn't a great example of a debater in the video, but if you see no flaw in Hitchens, then I strongly advice you to reconsider.
I have bought two of Christopher Hitchins books, and have struggled with his intellect, but got through them with a dictionary and a fair bit of head scratching, my problem but I simply love his mind and intellect, for me his RUclips talks are a think of beauty. What a mind what a man,
Something you might enjoy is listening to one of his audio books where he is the reader of his own work. It's incredible to hear him recount the work with all of the tone and inflection that made listening to him an experience to remember.
Haldane's motto: "You say it best - when you say nothing at all."
Alison krauss
I really wish he was still with us. We need him more than ever.
Would've been interesting watching him vote for Clinton after everything he's said about her. Sam Harris is firmly of the belief that Hitchens would have done exactly that, though reluctantly, but I'm not so sure. Trump is a monster but Hitchens was the world's most competent contrarian! He might just have surprised us :)
Any thoughts?
I think Hitch would have voted for Trump, consider the contrast between Trump and Clintons views on the threat posed by Islam to the West, he also liked going against the intellectually populist view at times, especially given enough reason to - and I think Trumps take on Islam would have won the Hitch over :D
Hitchens would never vote for someone who thinks global warming is a hoax and vaccines cause autism.
Never, it is more likely he would have kept the vote blank.
Yes I agree- and thank you for saying it
Exactly what I feel 😣😣😣😣
Science should have just clone Christopher Hitchens, sorely missed, never forgotten this fantastic and arguably very best polymath of the 20 and 21st Century.
Haldane has that special talent of making something that's actually very small and narrow-minded sound like the most wonderful concept.
or the simplest and most mundane of things appear as the most profound in existence.
I only wish the Great Hitch were still here to bestow upon us his words of wisdom on the happenings in the United States over the past five years. Miss you bigly
Sure, as a proponent of the war in Iraq, our state department would surely appreciate Hitch’s apologies for supporting Al Qaeda in Syria under Timber Sycamore and our present lavish support of Nazis in Ukraine.
What a desperate loss Christopher Hitchens is to the debate.
A truly superb speaker with a depth of knowledge, on every subject on which he spoke, that is astonishing.
...and the willingness to acknowledge his own weaknesses and areas of less knowledge...more honest than most
Yes, your comment is definitely an accurate description and I should have included that myself.
Pat McCann. Yes I've watched his standup, he was a great talent in that area too.
55:19 "If you want to call this secular you're entitled..... but, don't try it again when I'm here." 🤣
I still miss you Christopher.
i lost my dad at the same time in 2011 so in an instant i was left without any father figures in my life. Not sure why im writing this, i guess you not being here now makes me feel hollow.
I've never heard someone speak so much without really saying anything. Being "friendly" and well-spoken (and a believer) is all you need to convince people that you are telling the truth.
@@GeorgeBletchly The terms "Agnostic" and "Atheist" are not mutually exclusive. Almost all Atheists are also Agnostic. Theism/Atheism has to do with belief. Gnosticism/Agnosticism is about knowledge. You say that you are not entirely convinced...which means you are atheist by definition, because you don't have a belief in that specific thing. You are agnostic because you are open to it. Being open to the premise means that you don't KNOW for sure if god does or doesn't exist. It doesn't make sense to say "I'm not an Atheist, I'm Agnostic."
@@GeorgeBletchly I agree with everything you just said. This is a very complex topic, and I apologize for not treating it as such.
'Being "friendly" and well-spoken... is all you need to convince people that you are telling the truth.' - It's how you get a chair at a British university.
This government is not tolerant. Hitch was wrong and privileged in this belief
Mankind has lost its ability to discern right from wrong. This earth originally was created semi-divine and now has become satanic. The more one denies the Lord, the greater Satan smiles.
How did I miss this debate. I thought I saw all of his talks, speeches, lectures, and debates. Good thing I haven't, I always like to hear the Hitch speaking. :)
there can be only one Hitch. He is above the Hitchens' name itself :P
***** The Hitch= Christopher Hitchens. You are actually asking stupid questiions tbh. Yes I know what you are trying to get at but the media dubbed Chris as "The Hitch", as did his fans. Get over yourself and stop trying to be clever....you're not.
Cult Of Malgus, the cult of personality? Any man who asks who created God in reference to Yahweh is a fool. There are created gods and you find them in Greek mythology
@@cultofmalgus1310, it is better to strain to be clever and fail, than to succeed at being an asshole like yourself while straining at gnats and swallowing camels over things like "The Hitch vs Christopher Hitchens. Get over your self - never mind, too late too stupid.
dash Lamb dying over here from this comment 😂😂😂😂😂
The only thing sadder than needing an imaginary friend is needing an imaginary enemy too
If that is the case, that also makes you imaginary.
@@brightyafesiYou couldn't actually follow your book or you'd be in jail or dead within months if not less. Guess you don't actually believe it.
@@ozzo8573
Scripture points you to the word of God.
The word of God lives in you.
The word of God gives you life.
You do not remain the same.
John 5:39
[39] You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, (ESV)
First became an Atheist when I was 11 and went a more religious route in high school. Just now waking up again and I'm glad to have the pleasure of binge watching hours of Hitchens' content. I heard about him when I was younger but I wasn't old enough to watch him and enjoy his work since I was around 9 when he died. I'm sure he would have been glad to know that he continues to inspire people long after his death, which is a much more real reason to live a good life than the afterlife is. I would say rest in peace but that doesn't make sense so I'll just say I wish he knew how massively influential he continues to be to this day and that he was a great man who is missed.
Then be a loser like Hitch was. It's your life.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
--"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis.
God is the reason for us and all we have.
ruclips.net/video/JiMqzN_YSXU/видео.html
The odds are NOT there.
ruclips.net/video/W1_KEVaCyaA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/yW9gawzZLsk/видео.html
@@2fast2block sorry bro you're too late, Islam already got to me. I believe in the one true God, Allah, his holiness
@@2fast2block How arrogant it is to insult someone, then hurl a wall of text, an essay, and random video links and expect them to read it? What a crazy waste of time! OP was simply sharing their gratitude, inspiration and life journey a little bit. Weird and scary reply dude. Weird and scary.
@@turkeylegs5431 then believe in lies. I'm ok with you wanting to be a lying loser. I do enjoy though expsong your lies.
ruclips.net/video/fMJRsd8SrhU/видео.html
@@themudpit621 too bad for you that you love the lying loser Hitch that I showed with evidence that he was. Of course, losers like you are too afraid to look at the evidence so you can praise your loser Hitch.
I love listening to Hitchens: great eloquence, pure logic, sharp ripostas and the beauty of his English. Currently still unmatched.
Give it ten years and I think Douglas Murray might at least partially fill the void. He's not as eloquent; his mastery of the language isn't as fine, but it's a vaguely similar experience listening to him. That's why I say give it ten years. He's not there yet. Moreover, I hasten to add, I don't think he'll ever reach Hitchens' level. Hitchens was a ten, while I can't see Murray exceeding a nine. However, worth checking out if you're currently unfamiliar. Good luck!
Thanks! will check it out
Agnes Philomena Calm down
I must sharpen my riposta......en garde!
And the timbre of his voice. Magnificent.
It's a point that should be brought to attention how Mr. Hitchens gets directly to the point when questioned, and yet Haldane acts rather like a politician and begins dancing around the subject without touching it.
+Boredom_Incarnate He does seem to waffle on a bit but perhaps he is just a little too intellectual for you whereas Hitchens aims for instant gratification from his worshippers.
Ehmmm…? I hope you are not being sincere, for conciseness, stringency, and logical consistency are three key things that are taught in modern philosophy, quite counter to the extensive no-content blathering you refer to. If you were to build up Haldane's argumentation in PL1 form (predicate logic), I am fairly sure that you will find that he has made a few logical errors.
+ninisgreekronaldo bollox!
Boredom_Incarnate you're spot on. 👍🏼
Hitchens is just so, so good. Brilliant and so eloquent on so many of his remarks. The comment about being comfortable in not knowing is so spot on and, I think, once we get cozy with that notion, so many of our intellectual dilemmas fall by the wayside.
Oh thank goodness! I couldn't understand what Mr Haldane was saying and felt jolly inferior until I read the comments and realised why! Lol
Haldane is the human embodiment of "word salad".
If Haldane was asked to talk a suicidal man down from a bridge the man would still die. Not because the suicidal man would jump but simply because he would fall asleep, lose his grip and fall to his death after listening to Haldane's empty verbiage.
What a way to be called dumb lmao
Or the bridge would succumb to iron oxide and woodworm !!! 😴
Entropy and heat death are real possibilities over the course of Haldane's speeches. There should be a health warning at the start of the video.
More likely from old age.
Lol
Thank you Haldane, i suffer from chronic insomnia but your mellifluous winding voice of little substance has helped me sleep well
Anyone who is thinking about leaving Christianity needs to watch George Carlin’s act on religion. It helped me come to my senses and I’ve never looked back since.
🤣Link please👍
The last question at the end, right before the final comments, deserves another listen! The delivery was slightly shaky but the question and wording so incredibly woven and brilliant. Professor Gilderoy Lockharts florid answer followed by the sound of an empty room, and him awkwardly saying “silence” responding to the absence of applause, was a great conclusion to the debate. Theology can’t even answer basic questions about life, and hardly as much about morality as it claims. Rights or justices has required bloodshed, and rarely dispensed, especially under theocracy.
Hitchens, it turns, struck me at a later age, as brilliant. I opposed almost all the debates I watched him well over the past decade, and only recently transcended belief into reality. Thank you for being one of my guides and helping to show me how to take the risks (and enjoy the pleasures lol) in the pursuit of truth.
"does it make them happy? they are not happy, they won't be happy until i believe it too"
there it is....
i miss christopher....may his words and works live on.
one lives on not if they recite their words, but if they reincarnate their actions. There it also is.
Yes it is like a cancer, a self inflicted cancer.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” John 18
@@raysalmon6566 Pasture patties, you have nothing to support your claim that Jesus even lived, yet alone what he said.
@@MasterCedar
John 21
24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
How about from his disciples
16:30 Hitch predicts the rise of Putin and his Russia. Not in any weird prophetic way, just that he was informed and intelligent enough to see today's headlines coming (2016) in 2010. This was a wise and educated man.
I love Hitch but yeah, anyone who was watching saw Putin coming in 1999
yea..you are just as smart as hitchens....just no one ever heard of you or your great intelligence
Ooohh leave him alone you big bully you......
Aside from his prescient observations of the increasingly disruptive role of an authoritarian Russia under Putin made by Hitchens in this 2011 debate he also pointed out likely future conflict with Saudi Arabia and a nuclear Iran (an ever-growing threat particularly in light of our idiot, reality TV star "President" Donald Trump's decision to scrap the imperfect, but arguably functional Iran Nuclear Treaty signed during the Obama administration, without offering any substantive alternative, thus providing Iran with virtually NO incentive not to begin rebuilding their mostly dismantled nuclear program, which may likely be the catalyst of a regional conflict which could escalate into one of global scale between the Israel loving U.S. and an Iran-friendly Russia). Hitchens always had an extraordinary grasp of geopolitics (even when his honest conclusions put him at odds with the ideological stance of the anti-war Left who turned their back on him, despite his status as an unapologetic classical liberal and skeptic, at lightning speed) so it should be of little surprise that his words ring so disturbingly "prophetic" (note the quotation marks please) in 2019. Hitchens will likely still be highly relevant due to his observations and top-flight rhetoric and reasoning abilities, even decades from now. A truly brilliant thinker with a razor-sharp wit who I miss tremendously, especially in the age of Trump. Hitchens would have had a field day with both the political dysfunction of the U.S. and U.K. and one can only imagine how he may have cut through the crap straight to the quick of the nail.
And holy shit! What can be said about the headlines of 2019? No, I think it could be argued Hitchens was a Prophet of God! Which is kinda fuckin ironic!
I think Haldane came very close to proving the existence of the supernatural in this debate: because when he was talking I felt my soul begin to leave my body.
🤣😂😅😴🧐…🤣😂😅👍🏆
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lol
Whatever it is send me a g
ROFLMAO, me too.
Haldane learned the hard way. When you are invited to debate Christopher Hitchens, best to politely decline..
never before has one man said so much, yet said so little, as Haldane.
@Science-and-Reason I concur. From my own experience in an online forum debating a theist who happened to be a writer. He would always cloak his arguments in beautiful, flowery language and stories. It would usually take me more than one reading to cut through all of the BS to get to the heart of his arguments. These arguments were typically just the standard apologetics, buried deep in wordy descriptions designed to evoke an emotional response rather than relying on reason.
Yeah I call BS haldane! J
😂😂😂
And so quietly. Ugh
Michael Eric Dyson can give him a run for his money
Hitchens superior intellect and reasoning is astounding. I wasn’t fortunate enough to have been turned onto him, mostly b/c of my geography, until long after his death. But I’m forever grateful for his work, writing, & lectures. He has helped me verbalize my own world view in a more precise manner. He lived an amazing life, albeit a life that ended far too soon.
TOTALLY. AGREE. I only discovered him too late, in January of 2020.
Formidable and intellectually on the highest pedastal. What a loss his brain was to reasoning, mankind and humanity.
@@patrickgibbon7657 It's amazing how losers see losers like Hitch as smart.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
--"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis.
God is the reason for us and all we have.
ruclips.net/video/JiMqzN_YSXU/видео.html
The odds are NOT there.
ruclips.net/video/W1_KEVaCyaA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/yW9gawzZLsk/видео.html
You parrot him don't you?
@@2fast2block Viva Zeus the true Deus! Yahweh is looser!
OK, but it's still important you come to your own views. Hitchens may be seductive but it's important to put even his views under your own personal microscope.
Finally found a cure my my insomnia. Thank you Haldane
Well, now that I’ve listened Haldane speak I don’t need to eat lunch, I’m all full up on word salad.
Every time John Haldane speaks, he strengthens Hitch’s argument. Haldane has perfected intellectual padding to an eye watering level. Such seemingly clever people can be idiotic.
Its not clever if nobody knows what you are saying.
@@vickiezaccardo1711
Who or which are the nobody?
@@brightyafesi It's been a year so I really don't recall the video but if you are not in the nobody group then naturally you are somebody.
@@vickiezaccardo1711
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We Don't Do God? | Christopher Hitchens & John Haldane at Oxford.
MARK CREITZMAN COMMENT
Every time John Haldane speaks, he strengthens Hitch's argument. Haldane has perfected intellectual padding to an eye watering level. Such seemingly clever people can be idiotic.
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Its not clever if nobody knows what you are saying.
@@brightyafesi You're "Bright" aren't you?
Haldane is like a white noise generator. He just drones on in a monotone rythm and addresses things in a roundabout way. Kind of hard to even get a single point even if you try to pay attention.
John Haldane is the most incomprehensible and self-satisfied speaker I've ever forced myself to struggle with.
It takes years of training to talk an hour of irrational goggledegook and still pretend you are smarter than everyone else because you baffle some people with pointless and absurd searches for "grounding" of our mental capabilities.
Philosophers are often like that. Unless your very well educated in Philosophie, they can be very hard to follow.
@@Daniels656993
It’s not hard to follow, it’s just that religion makes no sense. It’s like nailing jello to a wall. There’s nothing but speculation and wishful and deluded thinking. There’s not one scrap of good evidence for the multitude of talking talking talking. All these religious people “know” what a god wants. So many “claims”, zero evidence.
I just discovered Hitchens' debates. I am not or do not label myself as an atheist but I wrote a paper in a history class in 1971 never having read the works of any atheists. I made many of the arguments that Hitchens makes. I did so because I was raised free of religion having come from a Jewish background which had become reformed so far left to barely exist as religious beliefs. We adopted a Christmas tree in our home in 1955 to make my point clear and with no belief in christianity or its tenets.
I was not as eloquent or as broadly educated as Mr. Hitchens in my paper but did get a rare "A"!. I love his body of work and the eloquence in conveying his ideas. In contrast, Haldane is the total opposite. At no point in his opening remarks could any reasonable, intelligent person be able to identify one single statement. he simply rambles on and on with no point. How is that man a fellow? What does he educate what to whom?
Hi Geoffrey! If you liked Hitchens, you should listen to Matt Dillahunty, and watch his show, The Atheist Experience. It's available for free on RUclips. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Hitchens is a pop idol to so many grieving today, and who are still unable to fill that void, as the comments show; a little god, who could do no wrong, worshippers drooled over his every breath
@@pjo2386 often we can't reliably quote and report events that happened a few days ago--with all the modern technology that is available. Yet you stick to a book that was written thousands of years ago and take it as absolute truth?!? This is absurd. Enjoy your delusion.If the bible were to say 2+2 = 5, you would find a way to make that work. the study of consciousness and the nature of reality goes way back, a long way beyond even Aristotle. As a topic of study in modern universities, it generates endless discussions, no enlightening answers because no one knows not you not me no one and if anyone say they do they are a liar. if there is a higher life form we no nothing of it .
@@dr.rickmarshall6697 historical records, written testimonials, witness accounts, is a recognised science....otherwise u could argue people didnt exist before photography
@@pjo2386 The Bible is not recognized as a historical document by any scientists outside of the Christian faith. There are millions of pieces of evidence that all interlock with one another to paint a consistent picture for scientists. There is data from astronomers, geologists, archaeologists, paleontologists, chemists, physicists, biologists, historians…. All of it points consistently toward an ancient universe billions of years old and a series of natural events that have brought us all of the life forms that we see today. None of it points toward any sort of “god”.
What a massive contrast between these two men.....
Christopher is dearly missed...
yep, plus he never took any bullshit from anyone...
But never merely dissed.........Oooohh Betty I done a good one I sound proper clever!
@Stacy Caruso yep.
@Stacy Caruso well let's hope god is better than man and woman if were to believe that child molester priests murderers rapists etc can go to heaven by asking forgiveness but someone that questions his existence cant there will be a lot of nasty people in heaven and decent ones in hell if that's how it works
Then step up, start practicing debate, and be the next thinker for our time :)
The Golden Rule : " Treat others as you want to be treated"..I think we can do better and treat others as THEY wish to be treated. Hitchens was an intelligent and outspoken man, who the world sadly misses and needs.
Religion doesn't 'seek out truth' it asserts a set truth!
Every comment section of a Hitchens debate is full of respect and gratitude for the man. We miss you Hitch! Thank you for the wisdom you left behind and the many Hitchslaps we get to watch over and over again.
Creepy, right? How people collectively revere or despise others without any nuance or grey area.
not everything has a grey area. somethings are simply black and white, right and wrong. not absolute and theres exceptions of course. but the fact that theres no evidence for god makes christians become hateful@@craigjones8518
Former Roman Catholic priest, thanks to this man/mind. (No, I never "buggered" any child. ) Again, thank you, Christopher (never merely the circumsized "Chris", which he rightfully loathed.)
My personal “Golden Rule” is “treat others as they should be treated, not necessarily as I would want to be treated.” An example is my dad who ate peanuts and threw the shells on the floor of his car. Under my “Golden Rule,” my dad would not throw peanut shells on the floor of a friend’s car he borrowed because his friend should be treated like the friend wants to be treated not how my dad wanted to be treated.
Mine is that I shall at all times observe my own behavior through the same eyes that I observe others'.
Im here because I miss Mr Hitchens 😢 He was a rock star
"Ofcourse i have free will i have no choice. " - Isaac Bashevis Singer Brilliant.
the proper citation for that quote is with Isaac Bashevis Singer.
@@selfademus , oops. Yup, totally should have double checked myself. Thanks. I'll correct that.
He’s like a human sleeping pill. My god what a long way to say nothing
As a point of fact, we've known for over two millennia that Justice IS NOT doing favors for friends and harm for enemies.
Hitch thought so well of the US . Wonder what he would say since the January 6 insurrection and all that went before and after
For enlightening and emancipating my mind of the religious tyranny, I am truly grateful for Christopher Hitchens 😊 💗
Likewise!
Hitch was just a loser and passed away that way.
Hitch who pretends to know the bible as he screws up on it over and over again including what faith means biblically.
--"Faith is the surrender of the mind, it's the surrender of reason, it's the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other animals. It's our need to believe and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. ... Out of all the virtues, all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated”-- Christopher Hitchens
Now, look at what biblical faith really means that Hitch the liar didn't even look at:
Biblically, faith means trust. It's a trust by evidence seen. God asks that we prove things. To reason. To get knowledge. To study. God has nothing to hide. We develop trust from what is seen, and that which is not seen yet is trusted also because of the trust built up from what is seen. It's much like a human relationship. We don't trust much until a person has gained that trust from what is observed. The difference is though, God is not limited to human powers. He created us.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
crossexamined.org/biblical-faith-vs-blind-faith/
www.truthortradition.com/articles/what-does-the-bible-say-about-faith
www.revisedenglishversion.com/Appendix/16/Faith_is_Trust
www.truthortradition.com/articles/faith-a-confident-expectation-of-gods-promises-coming-to-pass
www.truthortradition.com/articles/hebrews-1-11-and-faith
Hitchens always went into evasive word antics to avoid key questions like how we got the creation of the universe.
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
We can't even get science without God. The laws of nature only can come from a Lawgiver, God.
Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis.
God is the reason for us and all we have.
ruclips.net/video/JiMqzN_YSXU/видео.html
The odds are NOT there.
ruclips.net/video/W1_KEVaCyaA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/yW9gawzZLsk/видео.html
@@2fast2block nope.
So sad. Think I'll take another drink and God/Jesus will go away.
Hitchens: Sublime & Concise. Haldane: Chloroform in a suit.
Oh the irony of atheists who think themselves intelligent but complain when confronted with actual intellectuals. I had to reject atheism when I realized its adherents were all frauds pretending to be smart, but who loudly complained when confronted with the difficulty of real analysis. Yes, lol, thinking takes effort! Mocking it, which is all atheists ever do, does not disprove the arguments.
I'm confused by an ideology that claims intellectual superiority yet angrily protests anything deeper than bigotry.
@@stevedoetsch wow. So relevant. Move on.
@@stevedoetsch That's the thing, it's not "deeper" in any way. Daniel Dennett employed a term for what you seem to think is profound ; a "deepity".
"Generally, a deepity has (at least) two meanings: one that is true but trivial, and another that sounds profound, but is essentially false or meaningless and would be "earth-shattering" if true. To the extent that it's true, it doesn't have to matter. To the extent that it has to matter, it isn't true (if it actually means anything). This second meaning has also been called "pseudo-profound bullshit"."
Your condescending comment didn't make any argument by the way, you were just "mocking" atheist which "does not disprove the arguments". So while you're at it, maybe you should look up the definition of "hypocritical" as well.
HEY, HEY!
Don't insult chloroform.
@@stevedoetsch
1) John said nothing about atheism in his one-liner.
2) Rejecting Atheism? So you believe in Zeus, Thor or Krishna?
3) You rejected atheism because you realized its adherents were all frauds? What a vague statement & an ad hominem. Even if we were to grant that, you decide to leave or distance yourself from something (which in this case is mere disbelief and nothing more) because of people who identify with it? LOL..some thinker you are! Proves you're following the pack and not thinking for yourself regarding any topic.
4) You complain about mocking? How insecure..not only that but that should be your least concern. Mocking isn't hurting anyone but religious ideology is and has been - from pseudoscience to the crusades, inquisition, witch trials, homophobia, sexism to ultimately superstition and faith-based thinking.
5) Atheism is not an ideology - proves you know nothing. If you don't know the basics, then what gives you credibility to talk about anything subsequent?
You have simply failed at every front.
Every time Haldane speaks I go into this blank stare and get the urge to take a nap.
Haldane is a great tonic for insomnia.
I wish Hitch was around to talk about Donald Trump winning the election.
He mocked Donald Trump on Cspan and sore him as more of a joke figure
Agnes Philomena he was a democratic socialist, so yes he would be on Bernie’s side and he thought Trump was a moron when he was alive. He would be embarrassed that this population elected Trump.
DT didnt appear out of nowhere. The conditions for his election were created by right wing extremist war mongers like Hitchens. It was sad to see Hitchens became this in the last 15 years of his life.
He would most likely reverted to his British nationality.
@Agnes Philomena he was not against abortion. He said that perhaps it is a moral matters to think again of such action. Is the the right of one's living trump the right of another life that carrying it ( lean to pro choice).
He wanted us to think in a higher ground.
Imagine if John Haldane had spent all the time he has spent “studying,” learning instead. So that he at least would understand what the question is and answer already.
Great comment, although he does improve later in the talk...
I disagree... I'm atheist and Hitchens' fan, but this gentleman was the first counterpart I saw that was able to hold an intelligent well-thought debate. Maybe too drafted and at some points not obvious, but no doubts intellectually stimulating.
“Where prayers, amulets and incantations work it is only a manifestation of the patient’s belief” - Hippocrates
I’ve found that to make the haldane bits more interesting every time he takes his glass off I take a bong hit, when he puts them back on i pop a shroom cap. Thank god for Hitchens.
If that's the case you must still be high now.
“The Church isn’t a product of the Bible. The Bible is a product of the Church.”
True, but it's also the other way around. The Catholic Church would abandon a lot of the bible in the heartbeat, if it could. It turns out that it's bad for business in the 21st century.
In reality, the bible is a product of a council who wished to control its people. Christianity was created and introduced by a government.
Excuse me, please. I just freaked myself out. I just realized that I don't have enough tinfoil.
@Ramsey Kagak The council of nicea?
@@Quvan If it were not written for that purpose in the beginning it certainly has been used for this reason dozens of times over ever since. Well said Ramsey.
@@matthewmayuiers I think it's 'Ikea'